Q4 2025 Personalis Inc Earnings Call

February 26, 2026

Speaker #2: If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star and then zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

Speaker #2: It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Caroline Corner, thank you. You may begin. Thank you, operator. Welcome to Personalis's fourth quarter 2025 earnings call.

Speaker #2: Joining today's call are Chris Hall, Chief Executive Officer and President; Aaron Tachibana, Chief Financial and Chief Operating Officer; and Rich Chen, Chief Medical Officer and EVP R&D.

Speaker #2: All statements made on this call do not relate to matters of historical fact and should be considered forward-looking statements within the meaning of U.S.

Caroline Corner: All statements made on this call that do not relate to matters of historical fact should be considered forward-looking statements within the meaning of US securities laws, including any statements regarding trends and expectations for our financial performance this year and longer term, cash runway and liquidity position, revenue expectations and timing, size and booking of orders, product services, technology, expansions of clinical volume, reimbursement goals, the outcome and timing of reimbursement decisions, expectations for existing and future collaboration activities, cost expectations, market size, and our market opportunity and business outlook. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. We encourage you to review our recent filings, including the risk factors described in our most recent filings. Personalis undertakes no obligation to update these statements except as required by applicable law.

Speaker #2: securities laws, including any statements regarding trends and expectations for our financial performance this year and longer term, cash runway, and liquidity position, revenue expectations, and timing, size and booking of orders, products, services, technology, expansions of clinical volume, reimbursement goals, the outcome and timing of reimbursement decisions, expectations for existing and future collaboration activities, cost expectations, market size, and our market opportunity and business outlook.

Speaker #2: These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. We encourage you to review our recent filings, including the risk factors described in our most recent filings.

Speaker #2: Personalis undertakes no obligation to update these statements except as required by applicable law. Our press release with our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results is available on our website, www.personalis.com, under the Investors section and includes additional details about our financial results.

Caroline Corner: Our press release with our Q4 and full year 2025 results is available on our website, www.personalis.com, under the Investors section and includes additional details about our financial results. Our website also has our latest SEC filings, which we encourage you to review. A recording of today's call will be available on our website by 5:00 PM Pacific Time today. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Chris. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us to discuss our Q4 and full year 2025 results. As we stand here at the beginning of 2026, I'm incredibly proud of the progress our team made over the past year and the momentum that we have today. 2025 was the year we validated our winning MRD strategy. 2026 is the year we expect to scale. Physicians increasingly trust our NeXT Personal test.

Speaker #2: Our website also has our latest SEC filings, which we encourage you to review. A recording of today's call will be available on our website by 5:00 PM Pacific Time today.

Speaker #2: With that, I would like to turn the call over to Chris.

Speaker #3: Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us to discuss our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results. As we stand here at the beginning of 2026, I'm incredibly proud of the progress our team made over the past year and the momentum that we have today.

Speaker #3: 2025 was the year we validated our win in MRD strategy. 2026 is the year we expect to scale. Positions increasingly trust our next personal test.

Speaker #3: Our clinical volumes are building and our strategic roadmap is being validated by the medical community. For those listening in for the first time, Personalis is a leader in MRD testing services and we're helping patients, partners, and doctors see more in cancer samples.

Caroline Corner: Our clinical volumes are building. Our strategic roadmap is being validated by the medical community. For those listening in for the first time, Personalis is a leader in MRD testing services, and we're helping patients, partners, and doctors see more in cancer samples. We operate at the leading edge of MRD sensitivity. Our ultra-sensitive NeXT Personal test is capable of detecting approximately one single fragment of tumor DNA in a million. This is not merely a technical improvement. It's a clinical necessity. This level of sensitivity allows physicians to detect cancer recurrence months ahead of standard imaging and provides them with far greater confidence in a negative result.

Speaker #3: We operate at the leading edge of MRD sensitivity. Our ultra-sensitive next personal test is capable of detecting approximately one single fragment of tumor DNA in a million.

Speaker #3: This is not merely a technical improvement; it's a clinical necessity. This level of sensitivity allows physicians to detect cancer recurrence months ahead of standard imaging and provides them with far greater confidence in a negative result.

Speaker #3: The clinical market for these types of tests, known as minimal residual disease or MRD test, is growing rapidly as and is expected to mature into a 20-plus billion-dollar opportunity.

Caroline Corner: The clinical market for these types of tests, known as minimal residual disease or MRD test, is growing rapidly and is expected to mature into a $20-plus billion opportunity. Personalis is exceptionally well-positioned to command a significant share of that opportunity. Beyond clinical testing, we remain a leader in supporting biopharma companies through clinical trials and drug development. Our platforms are used by our partner companies to analyze tumors and identify new biomarkers, serving as the foundation for the next generation of personalized therapies. We are the engine that supports researchers as they explore new treatments and allow physicians to personalize treatment for every cancer patient. Now, turning to our results, the headline of our performance is our explosive clinical growth and our achievement of two Medicare coverage decisions. In the Q4, we delivered 6,183 clinical tests.

Speaker #3: And Personalis is exceptionally well-positioned to command a significant share of that opportunity. Beyond clinical testing, we remain a leader in supporting biopharma companies through clinical trials and drug development.

Speaker #3: Our platforms are used by our partner companies to analyze tumors and identify new biomarkers, serving as the foundation for the next generation of personalized therapies.

Speaker #3: We are the engine that supports researchers as they explore new treatments and allow physicians to personalize treatment for every cancer patient. Now, turning to our results, the headline of our performance is our explosive clinical growth and our achievement of two Medicare coverage decisions.

Speaker #3: In the fourth quarter, we delivered 6,183 clinical tests. This represents a 41% sequential growth over the third quarter of 2025 and a 329% increase year over year.

Caroline Corner: This represents a 41% sequential growth over the Q3 of 2025 and a 329% increase year-over-year. Now, to put that in context, in Q4 of 2024, we delivered just 1,441 tests. Our performance this quarter reflects the strong uptake of NeXT Personal in the marketplace. For the full year of 2025, we delivered more than 16,000 clinical tests, growing 394% over 2024. We achieved $17.3 million of revenue in the Q4 in line with our preliminary announcement last month. Our full year revenue of $69.6 million reflects a transitional period for our top line. As we previously discussed, we've shifted our commercial focus from lower-value project work to higher-value MRD partnerships, which meant that we experienced a nearly $20 million year-over-year decline in revenue from Natera while we set the stage for growth with our MRD engine.

Speaker #3: Now, to put that in context, in Q4 of 2024, we delivered just 1,441 tests. Our performance this quarter reflects the strong uptake of next personal in the marketplace.

Speaker #3: For the full year of 2025, we delivered more than 16,000 clinical tests, growing 394% over 2024. We achieved 17.3 million dollars of revenue in the fourth quarter in line with our preliminary announcement last month.

Speaker #3: Our full-year revenue of 69.6 million reflects a transitional period for our top line. As we previously discussed, we've shifted our commercial focus from lower-value project work to higher-value MRD partnerships.

Speaker #3: Which meant that we experienced a nearly $20 million year-over-year decline in revenue from Natera, while we set the stage for growth with our MRD engine.

Speaker #3: The uneven biopharma spending environment we discussed last year has persisted, creating variability in the timing of large project-based translational research. However, it is critical to note that the underlying demand for our strategic MRD offering remains exceptionally strong.

Caroline Corner: The uneven biopharma spending environment we discussed last year has persisted, creating variability in the timing of large project-based translational research. However, it is critical to note that the underlying demand for our strategic MRD offering remains exceptionally strong. We grew our MRD biopharma revenue by nearly 240% over 2024. We believe we are the partner of choice for biopharma companies who need to "see what others cannot." We expect penetration of our MRD testing into biopharma companies to be a growth driver for years to come. NeXT Personal has the potential to help these partners fail in early clinical trials sooner, succeed in these trials quicker, and enroll the right patients into their studies. Now, innovation is the heartbeat of Personalis.

Speaker #3: We grew our MRD biopharma revenue by nearly 240% over 2024. We believe we are the partner of choice for biopharma companies who need to "see what others cannot." And we expect penetration of our MRD testing into biopharma companies to be a growth driver for years to come.

Speaker #3: Next personal has the potential to help these partners fail in early clinical trials sooner. Succeed in these trials quicker and enroll the right patients into their studies.

Speaker #3: Now, innovation is the heartbeat of Personalis. Just as we've led the way in pioneering ultra-sensitive MRD detection down to one part per million, we recently announced the next evolution of our next personal MRD test, our real-time variant tracker report.

Caroline Corner: Just as we've led the way in pioneering ultra-sensitive MRD detection down to 1 part per million, we recently announced the next evolution of our NeXT Personal MRD test, our Real-Time Variant Tracker report. Cancer changes over time, and it can change in reaction to treatment. The Real-Time Variant Tracker allows for the detection of mutations targetable with therapy and the identification of resistance mutations during MRD surveillance with NeXT Personal. As an example, in metastatic HR-positive breast cancer patients, the ESR1 gene can acquire mutations over time that cause resistance to the hormone therapy patients may be receiving. Knowing when these mutations can happen allows physicians to adjust therapy proactively. The addition of this opt-in report is intended to give clinicians a dynamic window into how a patient's cancer is evolving in real time.

Speaker #3: Cancer changes over time, and it can change in reaction to treatment. The real-time variant tracker allows for the detection of mutations targetable with therapy and the identification of resistance mutations during MRD surveillance with next personal.

Speaker #3: As an example, in metastatic HR-positive breast cancer patients, the ESR1 gene can acquire mutations over time that cause resistance to the hormone therapy patients may be receiving.

Speaker #3: Knowing when these mutations can happen allows physicians to adjust therapy proactively. The addition of this opt-in report is intended to give clinicians a dynamic window into how a patient's cancer is evolving in real time.

Speaker #3: We announced the early access program for this module for clinical and academic leaders in January of this year. The feedback from early discussions with doctors has been positive, and we believe this provides a powerful new tool for physicians as they seek the best possible outcome for their patients.

Caroline Corner: We announced the early access program for this module for our clinical and academic leaders in January of this year. The feedback from early discussions with doctors has been positive, and we believe this provides a powerful new tool for physicians as they seek the best possible outcome for their patients. This new addition to NeXT Personal underlines our continued innovation in MRD and, most importantly, our commitment to innovate for patients. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect total revenue to be in the range of $78 to $80 million. However, to understand the velocity of the business, you must look at our strategic growth engines, that is, our clinical revenue and our biopharma MRD revenue.

Speaker #3: This new addition to next personal underlines our continued innovation in MRD and, most importantly, our commitment to innovate for patients. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect total revenue to be in the range of 78 to 80 million.

Speaker #3: However, to understand the velocity of the business, you must look at our strategic growth engines, that is, our clinical revenue and our biopharma MRD revenue.

Speaker #3: We expect our strategic revenue to grow from approximately 14 million in 2025 to a range of 30 to 32 million in 2026, which would be roughly 121% growth driven by the expectation that clinical volumes will quadruple.

Caroline Corner: We expect our strategic revenue to grow from approximately $14 million in 2025 to a range of $30 to $32 million in 2026, which would be roughly 121% growth driven by the expectation that clinical volumes will quadruple. I will now dig deeper into the three pillars of our winning MRD strategy that are driving us forward. The first pillar is clinical adoptions. Now, the numbers speak for themselves. Last quarter, we had more than 900 oncologists ordering our test, and we're seeing strong retention among those who adopt NeXT Personal. We're scaling our commercial footprint to onboard more oncologists and drive testing volumes. We now have more than 10 dedicated reps in the field working in close coordination with our partner, Tempus.

Speaker #3: I will now dig deeper into the three pillars of our win in MRD strategy that are driving us forward. The first pillar is clinical adoptions.

Speaker #3: Now, the numbers speak for themselves. Last quarter, we had more than 900 oncologists ordering our test, and we're seeing strong retention among those who adopt next personal.

Speaker #3: We're scaling our commercial footprint to onboard more oncologists and drive testing volumes. We now have more than 10 dedicated reps in the field working in close coordination with our partner Tempus.

Speaker #3: In 2025, we expanded our relationship with Tempus to include colorectal cancer, and our commercial efforts are fully aligned to champion the market shift towards ultra-sensitive MRD testing.

Caroline Corner: In 2025, we expanded our relationship with Tempus to include colorectal cancer, and our commercial efforts are fully aligned to champion the market shift towards ultra-sensitive MRD testing. We're setting our initial 2026 annual volume guidance at 43,000 to 45,000 tests, which would be about 170% growth year-over-year. This underscores the tremendous momentum we are seeing and our confidence in our commercial team and our physician partners. Our second pillar is building clinical evidence and the data we need to support continued positive reimbursement decisions. We made massive strides here in 2025. We submitted three dossiers for coverage to Medicare, backed by industry-leading clinical data. In the Q4, we successfully achieved Medicare coverage for breast cancer with favorable pricing, and just a few weeks ago, we received Medicare coverage for lung cancer.

Speaker #3: We're setting our initial 2026 annual volume guidance at 43,000 to 45,000 tests, which would be about 170% growth year over year. This underscores the tremendous momentum we are seeing in our confidence in our commercial team and our physician partners.

Speaker #3: Our second pillar is building clinical evidence and the data we need to support continued positive reimbursement decisions. We made massive strides here in 2025.

Speaker #3: We submitted three dossiers for coverage to Medicare, backed by industry-leading clinical data. In the fourth quarter, we successfully achieved Medicare coverage for breast cancer with favorable pricing just a few weeks ago; we received Medicare coverage for lung cancer.

Speaker #3: These coverage decisions validate the value of our technology in changing patient lives and I'm proud of our team for these accomplishments. Both reimbursement frameworks are for ongoing cancer surveillance for patients, so our tests can be used at multiple time points along the patient's cancer journey and across many years.

Caroline Corner: These coverage decisions validate the value of our technology in changing patient lives, and I'm proud of our team for these accomplishments. Both reimbursement frameworks are for ongoing cancer surveillance for patients, so our tests can be used at multiple time points along the patient's cancer journey and across many years. We currently have an additional dossier under review with MolDX for the use of NeXT Personal to monitor immunotherapy in metastatic cancer patients. Though exact timing remains subject to MolDX review, we remain confident in our data. Our drive towards coverage has been powered by data and the strong performance of our NeXT Personal test. These last several months, we continue to build upon our foundation to transform Personalis from a high-growth testing company into a high-margin, reimbursed clinical powerhouse.

Speaker #3: We currently have an additional dossier under review with Moldex, where the use of next personal to monitor immunotherapy and metastatic cancer patients. Though exact timing remains subject to Moldex review, we remain confident in our data.

Speaker #3: Our drive towards coverage has been powered by data and the strong performance of our next personal test. These last several months, we continue to build upon our foundation to transform Personalis from a high-growth testing company into a high-margin reimbursed clinical powerhouse.

Speaker #3: The landmark studies with TracerX, Royal Marston, and VHIO published in Cells, Annals of Oncology, and Clinical Cancer Research, respectively, are the anchors of our evidence base.

Caroline Corner: The landmark studies with TracerX, Roe-Marstin, and VHIO published in Cells, Annals of Oncology, and Clinical Cancer Research respectively are the anchors of our evidence base. The TracerX lung cancer study is one of the largest, longest, and most rigorous lung cancer MRD studies to date, with over 400 patients. In this study, NeXT Personal showed exceptional sensitivity and specificity throughout the patient journey from diagnosis to surveillance, even in lung adenocarcinoma, the most common yet difficult-to-detect subtype. Our Roe-Marstin breast cancer study also showed exceptional sensitivity and specificity across HR-positive, HER2-positive, and triple-negative breast cancers, with 15-month-plus medium lead time ahead of imaging. The VHIO study across 24 cancer types showed that advanced cancer patients receiving immunotherapy who achieved durable molecular clearance had 100% overall survival.

Speaker #3: The TracerX lung cancer study is one of the largest longest and most rigorous lung cancer MRD studies to date, with over 400 patients. In this study, next personal showed exceptional sensitivity and specificity throughout the patient journey from diagnosis to surveillance, even in lung and adenocarcinoma, the most common yet difficult to detect subtype.

Speaker #3: Our Royal Marston breast cancer study also showed exceptional sensitivity and specificity across HR-positive, HER2-positive, and triple-negative breast cancers, with 15-month plus medium lead time ahead of imaging.

Speaker #3: The VHIO study across 24 cancer types showed that advanced cancer patients receiving immunotherapy who achieved durable molecular clearance had 100% overall survival. The pan-cancer UCSD iPredict study was just published in NPJ Precision Oncology and it showed that next personal identified molecular progression and medium of 161 days over five months before imaging and late-stage cancer patients receiving immunotherapy.

Caroline Corner: The pan-cancer UCSD I-PREDICT study was just published in npj Precision Oncology, it showed that NeXT Personal identified molecular progression a medium of 161 days over five months before imaging in late-stage cancer patients receiving immunotherapy. Yale University is leading the case study to demonstrate the utility of NeXT Personal in breast cancer. Furthermore, our prospective Be Stronger I trial in triple-negative breast cancer is well underway, having now enrolled more than 200 patients. Overall, we're now involved in 35-plus additional studies that are powering the next generation of evidence, that number just continues to grow. In 2026, we're focused on neoadjuvant breast cancer and colorectal cancer, submitting for coverage there. As a reminder, we've presented data earlier from PREDICT and SCANDARE.

Speaker #3: Yale University is leading the case study to demonstrate the utility of next personal in breast cancer. Furthermore, our prospective be stronger one trial in triple-negative breast cancer now enrolled more than 200 patients.

Speaker #3: Overall, we're now involved in 35-plus additional studies that are powering the next generation of evidence, and that number just continues to grow. In 2026, we're focused on neoadjuvant breast cancer and colorectal cancer and submitting for coverage there.

Speaker #3: As a reminder, we've presented data earlier, from Predict in Skandari, those studies showed the power of next personal in neoadjuvant breast cancer and the British Columbia cancer study showed the power of the technology in colorectal cancer.

Caroline Corner: Those studies showed the power of NeXT Personal in neoadjuvant breast cancer, and the British Columbia Cancer Study showed the power of the technology in colorectal cancer. The third pillar is leading in the biopharma sector. MRD, or NeXT Personal biopharma revenue, grew nearly 240% this past year. Biopharma companies are realizing that to prove the efficacy of their next-generation therapies, they need the most sensitive detection tools available, and this has led to our success in driving their adoption of NeXT Personal. We made tremendous strides this last year with biopharma companies in terms of their adoption of NeXT Personal. As a part of that progress, our business has been evolving towards more prospective work, where revenue from a project is spread out over several years compared with retrospective analysis where an entire study is analyzed in one batch.

Speaker #3: The third pillar is leading in the biopharma sector. MRD, or next personal biopharma revenue, grew nearly 240% this past year. Biopharma companies are realizing that to prove the efficacy of their next generation therapies, they need the most sensitive detection tools available, and this has led to our success in driving their adoption of next personal.

Speaker #3: We made tremendous strides this last year with biopharma companies in terms of their adoption of next personal. As a part of that progress, our business has been evolving towards more prospective work, where revenue from a project is spread out over several years, compared with retrospective analysis where an entire study is analyzed in one batch.

Speaker #3: In 2026, we expect our biopharma revenue to be in the range of 20 to 21 million. This growth in our core MRD offering is expected to propel our segment, providing a stable and high-value revenue stream that complements our clinical expansion.

Caroline Corner: In 2026, we expect our biopharma revenue to be in the range of $20 to $21 million. This growth in our core MRD offering is expected to propel our entire biopharma segment, providing a stable and high-value revenue stream that complements our clinical expansion. In closing, Personalis is a different company than it was just a year ago. We've proven that we can build world-class clinical evidence and win Medicare coverage. We've proven that our technology is the gold standard for sensitivity. We're starting 2026 with the wins at our backs and the confidence that we are winning in MRD. Changing the way medicine is practiced is never easy. Progress like we've seen over the past year shows our efforts have been worthwhile.

Speaker #3: In closing, Personalis is a different company than it was just a year ago. We've proven that we can build world-class clinical evidence and win Medicare coverage.

Speaker #3: And we've proven that our technology is the gold standard for sensitivity. We're starting 2026 with the winds at our backs and the confidence that we are winning in MRD.

Speaker #3: Changing the way medicine is practiced is never easy, but progress like we've seen over the past year shows our efforts have been worthwhile. I want to thank our employees, in collaborators for a great year, and thank our biopharma partners, physician champions, and their patients for trusting us to provide results that truly matter.

Caroline Corner: I want to thank our employees and collaborators for a great year and thank our biopharma partners, physician champions, and their patients for trusting us to provide results that truly matter. Thank you. I'll now turn it over to Aaron to dig deeper into our financial results.

Speaker #3: Thank you, and I'll now turn it over to Aaron to dig deeper into our financial results.

Speaker #1: Thank you, Chris. I will be discussing our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results, and then cover guidance for 2026. Total company revenue was $17.3 million, for the fourth quarter of 2025.

Operator: Thank you, Chris. I will be discussing our Q4 and full year 2025 results and then cover guidance for 2026. Total company revenue was $17.3 million for the Q4 of 2025. While this is a modest 3% increase year-over-year compared with $16.8 million for the same period last year, the headline number masks a positive rotation in the quality of our revenue. We are successfully replacing low-margin and sporadic legacy revenue with high-velocity clinical volume. For the full year 2025, total company revenue was $69.6 million. As Chris mentioned, we navigated a planned $19.5 million decline in revenue from Natera during the year and also the conclusion of the Moderna melanoma trial enrollment, which was a $10 million decline from 2024. Despite these headwinds of nearly $29 million, we delivered 239% growth in biopharma MRD revenue over the prior year.

Speaker #1: While this is a modest 3% increase year over year compared with $16.8 million for the same period last year, the headline number masks a positive rotation in the quality of our revenue.

Speaker #1: We are successfully replacing low-margin and sporadic legacy revenue with high-velocity clinical volume. And for the full year, 2025, total company revenue was $69.6 million.

Speaker #1: As Chris mentioned, we navigated a planned $19.5 million decline in revenue from the terror during the year and also the conclusion of the Moderna melanoma trial enrollment, which was a $10 million decline from 2024.

Speaker #1: Despite these headwinds, of nearly $29 million, we delivered 239% growth in biopharma MRD revenue over the prior year. We are no longer dependent on a single legacy contract; we are building a diversified and sustainable high-growth engine which is centered around our win in MRD strategy.

Operator: We are no longer dependent on a single legacy contract. We are building a diversified and sustainable high-growth engine, which is centered around our win in MRD strategy. Moving to our core revenue, biopharma was $10.9 million in the Q4 compared with $12.2 million for the same period of the prior year. For the full year 2025, biopharma revenue was $49 million compared with $51 million for 2024. Both the Q4 and the full year declines were due to the expected decrease in the Moderna volume mentioned earlier. For clinical revenue, we recognized $0.9 million in the Q4 and $2 million for the full year of 2025 compared with $0.2 million for the Q4 and $0.8 million for the full year 2024. The Q4 2025 includes initial breast cancer surveillance revenue, which was covered by Medicare in the Q4.

Speaker #1: Moving to our core revenue, biopharma was $10.9 million in the fourth quarter, compared with $12.2 million for the same period of the prior year.

Speaker #1: And for the full year, 2025, biopharma revenue was $49 million, compared with $51 million for 2024. Both the fourth quarter and the full year declines were due to the expected decrease in the Moderna volume mentioned earlier.

Speaker #1: For clinical revenue, we recognized $0.9 million in the fourth quarter and $2 million for the full year of 2025, compared with $0.2 million for the fourth quarter and $0.8 million for the full year 2024.

Speaker #1: The fourth quarter 2025 includes initial breast cancer surveillance revenue, which was covered by Medicare, in the fourth quarter. Now, I want to address gross margin directly.

Operator: Now, I want to address gross margin directly, as it's a critical indicator of our MRD investment strategy. Gross margin was 11% in the Q4 and 22.7% for the full year. It's vital to understand that this margin compression is intentional but temporary. We foresee margin dilution to continue into 2026, with the lowest point expected to be in the Q1 of the year until the time when our third reimbursement coverage, which is expected to be IO, begins to convert to revenue. The margin dynamic is driven by the strong growth in volume of NeXT Personal tests ahead of reimbursement revenue. In the Q4 alone, unreimbursed costs diluted margins by approximately 1,900 basis points. We are securing the oncologists and the volume now, so when coverage decisions like the recent wins in breast and lung cancer come online, that volume run rate begins to convert to higher margin revenue.

Speaker #1: As it's a critical indicator of our MRD investment strategy, gross margin was 11% in the fourth quarter and 22.7% for the full year. It's vital to understand that this margin compression is intentional, but temporary.

Speaker #1: We foresee margin dilution to continue into 2026, with the lowest point expected to be in the first quarter of the year until the time when our third reimbursement coverage, which is expected to be IO, begins to convert to revenue.

Speaker #1: The margin dynamic is driven by the strong growth in volume of next personal tests ahead of reimbursement revenue. In the fourth quarter alone, unreimbursed costs diluted margins by approximately $1,900 basis points.

Speaker #1: We are securing the oncologists and the volume now, so when coverage decisions like the recent wins in breast and lung cancer come online, that volume run rate begins to convert to higher margin revenue.

Speaker #1: We expect to realize benefits from investments to gain market share over the next two to three years as our clinical revenue gets to scale.

Operator: We expect to realize benefits from investments to gain market share over the next 2 to 3 years as our clinical revenue gets to scale. Operating expenses were $27.2 million in the Q4 compared with $22.7 million for the same period of the prior year. For the full year 2025, operating expenses were $103.8 million compared with $95.1 million for the full year 2024. Our clinical business is thriving, and we are investing for future growth. Most of the year-over-year increase was related to commercial expenses for ramping up test volume and also R&D investments for clinical evidence to support reimbursement initiatives and technology development. The Q4 R&D expense was $13.1 million compared with $11.5 million for the same period of the prior year, and SG&A expense was $14.1 million compared with $11.2 million for the same period of the prior year.

Speaker #1: Operating expenses were $27.2 million, in the fourth quarter, compared with $22.7 million for the same period of the prior year. And for the full year 2025, operating expenses were $103.8 million, compared with $95.1 million for the full year 2024.

Speaker #1: Our clinical business is thriving, and we are investing for future growth. Most of the year-over-year increase was related to commercial expenses for ramping up test volume and also R&D investments for clinical evidence to support reimbursement initiatives and technology development.

Speaker #1: The fourth quarter R&D expense was $13.1 million, compared with $11.5 million for the same period of the prior year, and SG&A expense was $14.1 million, compared with $11.2 million for the same period of the prior year.

Speaker #1: Net loss for the fourth quarter was $23.8 million, compared with $16.4 million for the same period of the prior year, and for the full year, 2025, net loss was $81.3 million, which was the same as 2024.

Operator: Net loss for the Q4 was $23.8 million compared with $16.4 million for the same period of the prior year, and for the full year 2025, net loss was $81.3 million, which was the same as 2024. Now let's review the balance sheet. We finished the Q4 with a strong balance sheet with cash and short-term investments of $240 million and no debt other than some small equipment loans. For the full year of 2025, we used approximately $74 million just below our $75 million guidance. We operated with discipline throughout the year, and even as revenue fluctuated, we managed more than $12 million in downward spending adjustments to protect our cash runway. Now looking into 2026, we entered the year with a focus on scaling volume. Our guidance reflects reimbursement coverage decisions received to date.

Speaker #1: Now let's review the balance sheet. We finished the fourth quarter with a strong balance sheet with cash and short-term investments of $240 million, and no debt other than some small equipment loans.

Speaker #1: For the full year of 2025, we used approximately $74 million, just below our $75 million guidance. We operated with discipline throughout the year, and even as revenue fluctuated, we managed more than $12 million in downward spending adjustments to protect our cash runway.

Speaker #1: Now, looking into 2026, we entered the year with a focus on scaling volume. Our guidance reflects reimbursement coverage decisions received to date. Any upside may be realized from faster coverage expansion, payer adoption, faster volume growth for clinical tests, and continued strength in biopharma MRD demand.

Operator: Any upside may be realized from faster coverage expansion, payer adoption, faster volume growth for clinical tests, and continued strength in biopharma MRD demand. Additionally, we are guiding annually this year and not providing detailed quarterly ranges due to the variability and seasonality that may occur throughout the year. Our 2026 guidance is as follows: Total company revenue in the range of $78 to $80 million. This assumes clinical revenue of $10 to $11 million specifically from breast and lung cancer surveillance tests recently covered by Medicare. Revenue from pharma tests and services and all other customers in the range of $55 to $56 million. MRD revenue from these customers is expected to grow rapidly and to be in the range of $20 to $21 million. Population sequencing plus enterprise customers of approximately $13 million.

Speaker #1: Additionally, we are guiding annually this year and not providing detailed quarterly ranges due to the variability and seasonality that may occur throughout the year.

Speaker #1: Our 2026 guidance is as follows: total company revenue in the range of $78 to $80 million, and this assumes clinical revenue of $10 to $11 million, specifically from breast and lung cancer surveillance tests recently covered by Medicare.

Speaker #1: Revenue from pharma tests and services and all other customers in the range of $55 to $56 million. MRD revenue from these customers is expected to grow rapidly and to be in the range of $20 to $21 million.

Speaker #1: Population sequencing plus enterprise customers of approximately $13 million. Gross margin is expected to be in the range of $15 to $20%, with the first quarter potentially being the lowest point of the year.

Operator: Gross margin is expected to be in the range of 15% to 20%, with Q1 potentially being the lowest point of the year. Net loss of approximately $105 million. We expect our cash usage to be approximately $100 million as we continue to invest in our win in MRD strategy. This estimate reflects our decision to accelerate volume and gain market share. With $240 million of cash on hand, we expect to have the capital to execute our plans. Additionally, our success is opening up additional clinical studies that may be able to influence guidelines, and therefore, we are stepping up investments in this area too. What you are hearing from both Chris and I is unwavering confidence in our ability to execute our win in MRD strategy and plans. We have proven that our ultra-sensitive technology can help change patient care.

Speaker #1: Net loss of approximately $105 million. And we expect our cash usage to be approximately $100 million as we continue to invest in our WinNMRD strategy.

Speaker #1: This estimate reflects our decision to accelerate volume and gain market share. With $240 million of cash on hand, we expect to have the capital to execute our plans.

Speaker #1: Additionally, our success is opening up additional clinical studies that may be able to influence guidelines. And therefore, we are stepping up investments in this area too.

Speaker #1: What you are hearing from both Chris and I is unwavering confidence in our ability to execute our WinNMRD strategy and plans. We have proven that our ultra-sensitive technology can help change patient care.

Speaker #1: The market is expanding fast towards the 20-plus billion estimate. We have growing test volume, and we are turning on the reimbursement engine to drive revenue growth this year and beyond.

Operator: The market is expanding fast towards the $20-plus billion estimate. We have growing test volume, and we are turning on the reimbursement engine to drive revenue growth this year and beyond. We look forward to updating you on our progress during the next conference call in a few months. With that, I will turn the call back over to the operator to begin the Q&A session. Operator?

Speaker #1: We look forward to updating you on our progress during the next conference call in a few months. And with that, I will turn the call back over to the operator to begin the Q&A session.

Speaker #1: Operator?

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Speaker #3: Hey guys, thank you for taking my question. Moving in a short period of time from no reimbursement to now two indications potentially more here early in 2026, how does that affect the focus of reps internally, externally with Tempus for clinical and also your eye for still building the pharma business longer term?

Subbu Nambi: Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. Moving in a short period of time from no reimbursement to now 2 indications, potentially more here early in 2026, how does that affect the focus of reps internally, externally with Tempus for clinical, and also your eye for still building the pharma business longer term?

Speaker #4: Yeah. Thanks, Subu. Appreciate the question. But I think there's a couple of ways to think about it. I mean, what we're starting to do is increasingly ungate the business, increasingly to pick up steam.

Chris Hall: Yeah. Thanks, Subu. Appreciate the question. I mean, I think there's a couple of ways to think about it. I mean, what we're starting to do is increasingly ungate the business, increasingly to pick up steam. We had the number this year guided the 43 to 45 that we think represents a good mix between investing aggressively, at the same time making sure that we manage the cash in a prudent way. As we go through the year and we continue to make more progress potentially with reimbursement, either getting more decisions that we've got IO in front of us or find ways to collect more, etc., we could continue to invest more in the area as we go, we'll play it as we go. Right now, this is the way that we see it. We're continuing to push hard on biopharma companies.

Speaker #4: We had the number this year guided the 43 to 45, that we think represents a good mix between investing aggressively but at the same time making sure that we manage the cash in a prudent way.

Speaker #4: And as we go through the year and we continue to make more progress, potentially with reimbursement, either getting more decisions that we've got IO in front of us, we're finding ways to collect more, etc., we could continue to invest more in the area as we go and we'll play it as we go.

Speaker #4: But right now, this is the way that we see it. And we're continuing to push hard on biopharma companies. I mean, those relationships and those are growth that's a big growth driver.

Chris Hall: I mean, those relationships and that's a big growth driver. We've spent a significant amount of time over the last two to three years establishing ourselves and growing that business. I think we're having a lot of success there.

Speaker #4: And we've spent a significant amount of time over the last two to three years establishing ourselves and growing that business. I think we're having a lot of success there.

Speaker #3: Thank you for that, Chris. Chris, how has reimbursement changed receptivity from clinicians compared to other competitors in the field? Have you seen an acceleration in ordering since the reimbursement announcements?

Subbu Nambi: Thank you for that, Chris. Chris, how has reimbursement changed receptivity from clinicians compared to other competitors in the field? Have you seen an acceleration in ordering since the reimbursement announcements?

Speaker #4: Yeah, I mean, I think overall, what you have—getting reimbursement—gives you legitimacy in the conversations. I think being able to say that you've passed through the process and the rigors of Medicare gives you legitimacy when you're having discussions with physicians and certainly key opinion leaders.

Chris Hall: Yeah. I mean, I think overall, when you have getting reimbursement gives you legitimacy in the conversations. I think being able to say that you've passed through the process and the rigors of Medicare gives you legitimacy when you're having discussions with physicians and certainly key opinion leaders. I think there's a wide recognition among people who are in the know that MolDX does a particularly phenomenal job reviewing the evidence and looking at it deeply. Yeah, I think it does help to reinforce the power of what you're doing when you've got Medicare coverage and does put wins to your back in the field.

Speaker #4: I think there's a wide recognition among people who are in the know that Moldex does a particularly phenomenal job reviewing the evidence and looking at it deeply.

Speaker #4: And so, yeah, I think it does help to reinforce the power of what you're doing when you've got Medicare coverage and does put wins to your back in the field.

Speaker #3: Super helpful. Thank you so much, guys.

Subbu Nambi: Super helpful. Thank you so much, guys.

Speaker #4: Sure.

Chris Hall: Sure.

Speaker #2: The next question we have is from Mark Massaro of BTIG. Please go ahead.

Caroline Corner: The next question we have is from Mark Massaro of BTIG. Please go ahead.

Speaker #5: Hey, guys. This is Vivian. I'm from Mark. Thanks for taking the questions. I just wanted to ask one on the biopharma outlook. So are you seeing push-outs or cancellations of contracts there?

[Analyst] (BTIG): Hey, guys. This is Vivian. I'm from Mark. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to ask along on the biopharma outlook. Are you seeing push-outs or cancellations of contracts there? Just at a higher level, you're investing into NeXT Personal MRD and focusing more on the clinical side of your portfolio. Just how material do you think MRD side of biopharma is versus other areas that you've done historically, like pCR, is longer term? Thanks.

Vidyun Bais: Hey, guys. This is Vivian. I'm from Mark. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to ask along on the biopharma outlook. Are you seeing push-outs or cancellations of contracts there? Just at a higher level, you're investing into NeXT Personal MRD and focusing more on the clinical side of your portfolio. Just how material do you think MRD side of biopharma is versus other areas that you've done historically, like pCR, is longer term? Thanks.

Speaker #5: And then just at a higher level, you're investing into next-personal MRD and focusing more on the clinical side of your portfolio. So just how material do you think MRD side of biopharma is versus other areas that you've done historically, like PCV, is longer term?

Speaker #5: Thanks.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Thanks. I mean, I think we're seeing the sector stabilize right now. We haven't seen any push-outs or any big jolts to the business.

Chris Hall: Yeah. Thanks. I mean, I think we're seeing the sector stabilize right now. We haven't seen any push-outs or any big jolts to the business. I mean, last year was certainly more challenging. We're not seeing biopharma companies come rushing back in a major way for translational purposes. We reflected I think what we see right now is what we've reflected in the guide. I think things are stable right now in that sector. Overall, is what we're seeing. I think we are making progress in MRD, and we feel like we've been accelerating our progress there. I mean, those customers are some of the most discriminating buyers. They often do head-to-head trials with the data.

Speaker #4: I mean, last year was certainly more challenging. We're not seeing biopharma companies come rushing back in a major way for translational purposes. And we reflected I think what we guide.

Speaker #4: But we haven't I think things are stable right now in that sector's overall is what we're seeing. I think we are making progress in MRD, and we feel like we've been accelerating our progress there.

Speaker #4: I mean, those customers are some of the most discriminating buyers. They often do head-to-head trials. With the data and so when you win there and you see the revenue growth that we're showing in that sector, which I think was nearly 240% year over year and was that came off a particularly strong year the year prior, and we see it continuing to grow this year, that reflects the decision of large companies who do really detailed analysis to choose personnels.

Chris Hall: When you win there and you see the revenue growth that we're showing in that sector, which I think was nearly 240% year-over-year and that came off a particularly strong year the year prior, and we see it continuing to grow this year, that reflects the decision of large companies who do really detailed analysis to choose Personalis. We feel like we're well positioned there. We're investing heavily overall to win the space, both biopharma and also clinical. We've always thought that those two work synergistically and that the evidence that we built in biopharma helped drive the clinical business, and that's been one of the key vectors. As you know, with our relationship with Moderna, we've been focused on supporting them through their journey of their IND program, and that's been a potential driver of our revenue over the out years.

Speaker #4: And we feel like we're well positioned there. But we're investing heavily overall to win the space, both biopharma and also clinical. We've always thought that those two work synergistically, and that the evidence that we built in biopharma helped drive the clinical business.

Speaker #4: And that's been one of the key vectors as you know, with our relationship with Moderna, we've been focused on supporting them through their journey of their INT program.

Speaker #4: And that's been a potential driver of our revenue over the out years.

Speaker #5: Okay. Thanks so much for that, Color. And then. Next-personal, can you share any detail on the mix of volumes you expect to run in '26 in your reimbursed indications versus your not reimbursed indications?

[Analyst] (BTIG): Thanks. Thanks so much for that color. NeXT Personal, can you share any detail on the mix of volumes you expect to run in 2026 in your reimburse indications versus your not-reimburse indications? I think the volume in Rev Guide you. Yeah, go ahead.

Vidyun Bais: Thanks. Thanks so much for that color. NeXT Personal, can you share any detail on the mix of volumes you expect to run in 2026 in your reimburse indications versus your not-reimburse indications? I think the volume in Rev Guide you. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker #5: I think the volume in Rev Guide you yeah, go ahead.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Go ahead. I mean, yeah, go ahead. You finish the question if you want.

Chris Hall: Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead and finish the question if you want.

Speaker #5: Okay. Sure. I was just going to say I think the volume in Rev Guide implies that a good chunk of the volumes you're running today are not long in breath.

[Analyst] (BTIG): Okay. Sure. I was just going to say I think the volume in Rev Guide implies that a good chunk of the volumes you're running today are not lung and breast. I just want to understand what indications you're seeing there.

Vidyun Bais: Okay. Sure. I was just going to say I think the volume in Rev Guide implies that a good chunk of the volumes you're running today are not lung and breast. I just want to understand what indications you're seeing there.

Speaker #5: So just want to understand what indications you're seeing there.

Speaker #4: Sure. Aaron, I'll take this one.

Chris Hall: Sure. Aaron, I'll take this one.

Speaker #6: Yeah. So if you just look at the volume at the top level, so the 43 to 45 thousand tests, roughly 20% or so is coming from breast.

Aaron Tachibana: Yeah. If you just look at the volume at the top level, so the 43,000 to 45,000 tests, roughly 20% or so is coming from breast. 15% to 20% is coming from lung. IO is somewhere between 20% and 25%. CRC is around 20%, and all other is the remaining 20% or so. It's true. There's a fair amount that we're running for zeros, right? We're not getting paid. We're only getting covered for breast and lung at this point in time. It's less than half of the tests, right? Medicare is roughly half of the volume, and the fee per service is half of that half. Again, we are running a lot of tests with zeros. When you're dealing with physicians, you have to accept samples of all different cancer types. That's what we're doing.

Speaker #6: 15 to 20 percent is coming from lung. IO is somewhere between 20 and 25 percent. CRC is around 20%. And all other is the remaining 20% or so.

Speaker #6: And it's true. There's a fair amount that we're running for zeros, right? We're not getting paid. We're only getting covered for breast and lung at this point in time.

Speaker #6: So it's less than half of the tests, right? And Medicare is roughly half of the volume. And the fee for service is half of that half.

Speaker #6: And so again, we are running a lot of tests with zeros. But when you're dealing with physicians, you have to accept samples of all different cancer types.

Speaker #6: And that's what we're doing. We're doing really, really well. And we're finding that our ultra-sensitive test is really sticky with physicians. Now, as we want to go forward here to drive more growth, we're going to be adding more physicians, right?

Aaron Tachibana: We're doing really, really well, and we're finding that our ultra-sensitive test is really sticky with physicians. Now, as we want to go forward here to drive more growth, we're going to be adding more physicians, right? We're adding more commercial heft on the Tempus side and internally. We're going to add another 10 or so reps. We ended the year with 10 reps. We're going to double it at this point in time. That's our current plan. We could invest even further depending on how things go here the first couple of quarters, right? Things are going really, really well.

Speaker #6: We're adding more commercial HEF on the Tempus side and internally. We're going to add another 10 or so reps. We ended the year with 10 reps.

Speaker #6: We're going to double it at this point in time. That's our current plan. And we could invest even further depending on how things go here the first couple of quarters, right?

Speaker #6: And so things are going really, really well.

Speaker #4: Yeah. And note the guy didn't assume IO yet. But that's clearly out there. We've got a significant amount of revenue. We expanded the relationship this past year with Tempus to include CRC.

Chris Hall: Yeah. Note, the guide didn't assume IO yet, but that's clearly out there, and we've got a significant amount of revenue. We expanded the relationship this past year with Tempus to include CRC, and we've gotten tremendous uptick and energy around that for doctors. The data that we had at AACR last year showed that if you apply an ultra-sensitive approach onto the testing paradigm, you can get a dramatic leap in performance at Landmark. That really raised a lot of eyebrows, and a significant number of physicians have been starting to adopt in the CRC. We have been investing because that's been a historically strong space, and we've looked at it that we're making investments and growing that market and our presence in the CRC market, and we've had a lot of progress.

Speaker #4: And we've gotten tremendous uptick in energy around that for doctors. The data that we had at AACR last year showed that if you apply an ultra-sensitive approach onto the testing paradigm, you can get a dramatic leap in performance at landmark.

Speaker #4: And that really raised a lot of eyebrows. And a significant number of physicians have been starting to adopt in the CRC. So we have been investing because that's been a historically strong space.

Speaker #4: And we've looked at it that we're making investments and growing that market in our presence in CRC market. And we've had a lot of progress.

Speaker #4: And so when Aaron talks about 20% of the samples coming from that group of physicians, that's been or that 20% of our samples coming from CRC, that's been a really nice growth engine.

Chris Hall: When Aaron talks about 20% of the samples coming from that group of physicians, 20% of our samples coming from CRC, that's been a really nice growth engine. I think over the arc of time, the progress we're making there is really going to pay off.

Speaker #4: And I think over the arc of time, progress we're making there is really going to pay off.

Speaker #5: Okay. Perfect. That's super helpful. Thank you.

[Analyst] (BTIG): Okay. Perfect. That's super helpful. Thank you.

Vidyun Bais: Okay. Perfect. That's super helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #4: Absolutely.

Chris Hall: Absolutely. Thanks, guys. Good questions.

Speaker #6: Thanks for the questions.

Speaker #7: The next question we have is from Thomas Flatten of Lake Street. Please go ahead.

Caroline Corner: The next question we have is from Thomas Flaten of Lake Street. Please go ahead.

Speaker #8: Hey. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Hey, Aaron, just a follow-up on your last prepared comment about having the cash to execute your plan.

Thomas Flaten: Hey. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Hey, Aaron, just a follow-up on your last prepared comment about having the cash to execute your plan. Should I read that as having cash to break even, or should I not read that far into it?

Speaker #8: Should I read that as having cash to break even? Or should I not read that far into it?

Speaker #6: Yeah. So we haven't said anything about cash to break even or cash to profitability or anything like that. So that's probably reading a little bit more into it.

Aaron Tachibana: Yeah. We haven't said anything about cash to break even or cash to profitability or anything like that. That's probably reading a little bit more into it. What we meant by that statement, Thomas, is that we had $240 million of cash at the end of the year. We're going to use approximately $100 million in 2026. You can see just by the simple math, it's two and a half years or so of cash on the balance sheet, which means we have plenty of capital here for the next couple of years to go and drive to go get market share. That's the focus right now, really investing for market share.

Speaker #6: What we meant by that statement, Thomas, is that we had 240 million dollars of cash at the end of the year. We're going to use approximately 100 million in 2026.

Speaker #6: So you can see just by the simple math, it's two and a half years or so of cash on the balance sheet. Which means we have plenty of capital here for the next couple of years to go and drive to go get market share.

Speaker #6: And that's the focus right now—really investing for market share.

Speaker #8: Got it. Got it. And then just a question on the real-time variant tracker. I think, Chris, in your prepared comments, you mentioned that was an opt-in test.

Thomas Flaten: Got it. Got it. Just a question on the Real-Time Variant Tracker. I think, Chris, in your prepared comments, you mentioned that was an opt-in test. Are people ordering it? I mean, of the physicians you went out to with the early access program, are they ordering it? Do they literally have to click a box, or just mechanically, how does that work, and how do you drive the stickiness on that?

Speaker #8: So are people ordering it? I mean, of the physicians you went out to with the early access program, are they ordering it? Do they literally have to click a box?

Speaker #8: Or just mechanically, how does that work? And how do you drive the stickiness on that?

Speaker #4: Yeah. I mean, it would be I mean, Rich is with me. And can add any color to it. But it's an opt-in module. It's not something that just everybody gets by default.

Chris Hall: I mean, it would be, I mean, Rich is with me and can add any color to it, but it's an opt-in module. It's not something that just everybody gets by default. We're getting geared up for the early access program as we speak. We expect that physicians will opt in, and a lot of them will, and there's been a lot of excitement about it. One of the feedbacks has been it's not just being able to quantify the tumor and the blood, but being able to track how the tumor is changing is really one of the key unmet needs in cancer. Starting to superimpose this longitudinally really is, I think, exciting and I think is the next big innovation. MRD, and quite frankly, sort of underlines our ability to lead the space in innovating.

Speaker #8: Yeah. And we're getting geared up for the early access program as we speak. So but we expect that physicians will opt in. And a lot of them will.

Speaker #8: And there's been a lot of excitement about it.

Speaker #4: Yeah. One of the feedbacks has been it's not just being able to quantify the tumor and the blood, but being able to track how the tumor is changing is really one of the key unmet needs.

Speaker #4: And cancer and so starting to superimpose this, launch it tunely, really is, I think, exciting. And I think is the next big innovation in MRD.

Speaker #4: And quite frankly, sort of underlines our ability to lead the space in innovating. I mean, having started with the ultra-sensitive push that we've been pioneering and now starting to add this I think is a great positioning for where we are and the impact that we're making for patients.

Chris Hall: I mean, having started with the ultra-sensitive push that we've been pioneering and now starting to add this, I think, is a great positioning for where we are and the impact that we're making for patients.

Speaker #8: Got it. And just one quick last one. Of the clinical volume you're expecting this year, you mentioned that you had 900 oncologists ordering last year.

Thomas Flaten: Got it. Just one quick last one. Of the clinical volume you're expecting this year, you mentioned that you had 900 oncologists ordering last year. Do you have a sense of how many docs are going to be responsible for that 43,000 to 45,000? Just again, big ranges are fine. I'm just curious about depth versus breadth.

Speaker #8: Do you have a sense of how many docs are going to be responsible for that 43 to 45 thousand? Just, again, big ranges are fine.

Speaker #8: I'm just curious about depth versus breadth.

Speaker #4: Yeah. I mean, we're I mean, I think we're going to well, I mean, this year, we'll keep focusing on driving deeper with an existing account.

Chris Hall: Yeah. I mean, I think we're going to well, I mean, this year, we'll keep focusing on driving deeper within existing accounts. The 900 doctors ordering from us will continue to grow and will continue to go broader. We're focusing always on going deeper, as is our partner, Tempus, because, I mean, I think people start to use the technology. They see the power of it. Our experience has been that the customers who have been with us longer tend to be the customers that order the most. We're focused on continuing to tell the story, underline the value, and driving deeper within existing relationships.

Speaker #4: The 900 doctors ordering from us will continue to grow. And we'll continue to broader. But we're focusing always on going deeper as is our partner, Tempus.

Speaker #4: Because, I mean, I think people start to use the technology they see the power of it. And our experience has been that the customers who have been with us the longer tend to be the customers that order the most.

Speaker #4: And so we're focused on continuing to tell the story, underline the value, and driving deeper with existing relationships.

Speaker #8: That's great. Thank you.

Thomas Flaten: That's great. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Thanks, Thomas.

Aaron Tachibana: Thanks, Thomas.

Speaker #7: The next question we have is from Callum Tichmarsh of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Caroline Corner: The next question we have is from Kallum Titchmarsh of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker #9: Hi. This is Jason off for Callum. Thank you for taking our questions. So maybe just a question on 26 guidance. How should we think about the Q over Q clinical volume growth?

Thomas Flaten: Hi. This is Jason off of Callum. Thank you for taking our questions. Maybe just a question on 2026 guidance. How should we think about the Q over Q clinical volume growth? You delivered 6,200 clinical tests in Q4. Is that a good jumping-off point for you guys from which you guys could grow 24%, 25% Q over Q to get to the midpoint of your volume guide?

Speaker #9: You delivered 6,200 clinical tests in the fourth quarter. Is that a good jumping-off point for you guys, from what you guys could grow—24, 25 percent, quarter over quarter—to get to the midpoint of your volume guide?

Speaker #8: Yeah. Yeah. So we haven't given quarterly guidance. But if you take the 6,183 exiting 2025 in the fourth quarter, and just maybe linearize it, that probably gets you close there would be a little bit of seasonality.

Aaron Tachibana: Yeah. We haven't given quarterly guidance. If you take the 6,183 exiting 2025 in Q4 and just maybe linearize it, that probably gets you close. There would be a little bit of seasonality. Q2 and Q4 are going to be the strongest, where Q1 and Q3 will have a little bit of seasonality.

Speaker #8: The second and the fourth quarters are going to be the strongest, whereas the first and the third will have a little bit of seasonality.

Speaker #4: Yeah. I mean, Q1 is always and Q3 are always are always the slower growth quarters. And it's kind of an environment versus Q2 and Q4 because of the combination of vacations, holidays, and then Q1 weather.

Chris Hall: Yeah. I mean, Q1's always and Q3 are always the slower growth quarters in this kind of an environment versus Q2 and Q4 because of the combination of vacations, holidays, and then Q1 weather. We've always seen that. Right now, we're still learning exactly how the seasonality works. We saw that in our numbers last year, and I think that's, I've spent years in this business. That's pretty calm.

Speaker #4: And we've always seen that. But right now, we're still learning exactly how the seasonality works. But we saw that in our numbers last year.

Speaker #4: And I think that's I've spent years in this business. That's pretty calm.

Speaker #8: Thank you, that was helpful. And then maybe just as a follow-up, a question on the competitive landscape. There are a lot of new entrants in the MRD space.

Thomas Flaten: Thank you. That was helpful. Maybe just as a follow-up, a question on the competitive landscape. There's a lot of new entrants in the MRD space, and there's been some consolidation of the space as well with one of the large MRD players recently making a large acquisition of another large MRD player in December and potentially integrating their IP to enhance the sensitivity of their assay. Could you just share your thoughts on the current competitive landscape and why you think you can gain share against arguably larger players with deeper pockets? Thank you.

Speaker #8: And there's been some consolidation in the space as well with one of the large MRD players recently making a large acquisition of another large MRD player in December.

Speaker #8: And potentially integrating their IP to enhance the sensitivity of their assay. So could you just share your thoughts on the current competitive landscape, and why you think you can gain share against, arguably, larger players with deeper pockets?

Speaker #8: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Yeah, I mean, I think we've proven over the last couple of years that we can execute. We've been focused on pioneering the story. I think a lot of people are trying to either get to or debut ultra-sensitive products.

Chris Hall: Yeah. I mean, I think we've proven this over the last couple of years that we can execute. We've been focused on pioneering this story. I think a lot of people are trying to either get to or debut ultra-sensitive products. Our intention is to stay ahead and continue to push forward. We're aligned with one of the biggest partners in the space, Tempus, which is providing the commercial infrastructure, which gives us the ability to move quickly and make progress. We've gotten traction now with, like we talked about in the script, 30-plus ongoing studies, and that continues to grow. We're investing heavily in R&D and driving forward. I think if you look at where we've been, where we are, we've emerged as one of the large players in the space.

Speaker #4: Our intention is to stay ahead and continue to push forward. And we're aligned with one of the biggest partners in the space, Tempus. Which is providing the commercial infrastructure, which gives us the ability to move quickly and make progress.

Speaker #4: And we've gotten traction now with like we talked about in the script, 30-plus ongoing studies. And that continues to grow. And so we're investing heavily in R&D and driving forward.

Speaker #4: And so, I think if you look at where we've been, where we are, we've emerged as one of the large players in the space.

Speaker #4: I think we've stitched together. There's only two three companies with more than two coverages now. And MRD and we're there. And I think just in terms of test volume, we've emerged as a major player.

Chris Hall: I think we've stitched together as only three companies with more than two coverages now in MRD, and we're there. I think just in terms of test volume, we've emerged as a major player, and we've got momentum, and we're still leaders in data in terms of where it is. We feel like we're positioned well, and we're continuing to make the investments necessary to keep that position in the industry.

Speaker #4: And we've got momentum. And we're still leaders in data. And in terms of where it is. And so we feel like we're positioned well.

Speaker #4: And we're continuing to make the investments necessary to keep that position in the industry.

Speaker #8: Great. I appreciate the answers, guys.

Thomas Flaten: Great. Appreciate the answers, guys.

Speaker #7: The next question we have is from Bonello of Craig Hallam. Please go ahead.

Caroline Corner: The next question we have is from Bonello of Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.

Speaker #10: Hey, guys. Thanks a lot. So the volume expectations, obviously, look great, well above, I think, what people had been expecting. The Tempus comments last night were incredibly bullish.

William Bonello: Hey, guys. Thanks a lot. The volume expectations, obviously, looked great, well above, I think, what people had been expecting. The Tempus comments last night were incredibly bullish. I think what might surprise people is sort of where you're ending up on the clinical revenue, the gross margin, and the cash flow guide. You kind of talked about your philosophy, but maybe you can just give a little bit more color on what's prompting that. I mean, historically, your approach had kind of, as you said, been to sort of be a bit gated with the sales. I think there were some restrictions to Tempus in terms of kind of what you were encouraging them to do. You knew all along you'd be getting reimbursement.

Bill Bonello: Hey, guys. Thanks a lot. The volume expectations, obviously, looked great, well above, I think, what people had been expecting. The Tempus comments last night were incredibly bullish. I think what might surprise people is sort of where you're ending up on the clinical revenue, the gross margin, and the cash flow guide. You kind of talked about your philosophy, but maybe you can just give a little bit more color on what's prompting that. I mean, historically, your approach had kind of, as you said, been to sort of be a bit gated with the sales. I think there were some restrictions to Tempus in terms of kind of what you were encouraging them to do. You knew all along you'd be getting reimbursement.

Speaker #10: I think what might surprise people is sort of where you're ending up on the clinical revenue, the gross margin, and the cash flow guide.

Speaker #10: And you kind of talked about your philosophy. But maybe you can just give a little bit more color on what's prompting that. I mean, historically, your approach had kind of, as you said, been to sort of be a bit gated with the sales.

Speaker #10: I think there were some restrictions to Tempus in terms of kind of what you were encouraging them to do. You knew all along you'd be getting reimbursement.

Speaker #10: Is it response you're getting from the field? Or what is it that's made you decide to sort of put on the gas at this point of time and maybe move away a little bit from that capital light strategy you've talked about in the past?

William Bonello: Is it response you're getting from the field, or what is it that's made you decide to sort of put on the gas at this point of time and maybe move away a little bit from that capital light strategy you've talked about in the past?

Bill Bonello: Is it response you're getting from the field, or what is it that's made you decide to sort of put on the gas at this point of time and maybe move away a little bit from that capital light strategy you've talked about in the past?

Speaker #6: Hi, Bill. This is Aaron. Thanks for the question. And so exiting 2024, getting into 2025, we did meter things a little bit, primarily because we had not received any coverage at all, just at that point in time.

Aaron Tachibana: Hi, Bill. This is Aaron. Thanks for the question. Exiting 2024, getting into 2025, we did meter things a little bit primarily because we had not received any coverage at all just at that point in time. Our balance sheet did not have $240 million back then either, right? Those two items there have changed over the past few months. Having coverage now for breast cancer and lung cancer and having a healthy price that we're really, really pleased with that's going to give us the right unit economics and help us get our gross margins into the low 60s and show us a path to eventually 70%, but again, at full reimbursement, gives us now the confidence that we should step on the gas and go fast because this market's going to turn into 20-plus, 30-plus billion dollars over time.

Speaker #6: And our balance sheet did not have $240 million back then either, right? So those two items there, have changed over the past few months.

Speaker #6: Having coverage now for breast cancer and lung cancer, and having a healthy price that we're really, really pleased with—that's going to give us the right unit economics and help us get our gross margins into the low 60s, and show us a path to eventually 70%.

Speaker #6: But again, at full reimbursement, gives us now the confidence that we should step on the gas and go fast because this market's going to turn into 20-plus, 30-plus billion dollars over time.

Speaker #6: And so there's only a few players in the market today. There's only two real tumor-informed players that have a really robust test. We are the leader in the ultra-sensitive marketplace.

Aaron Tachibana: There's only a few players in the market today. There's only 2 real tumor-informed players that have a really robust test. We are the leader in the ultra-sensitive marketplace. It behooves us to go fast right now while the window is open and there's very little competition in the ultra-sensitive space. We see it as an opportunity to go get market share over the next year or 2. In doing so, we would have to sacrifice a little bit on cash burn as well as on gross margin, primarily because until we get a few more coverages, right, it's going to be dilutive to our gross margins. Does that make sense?

Speaker #6: And so it behooves us to go fast right now while the window is open and there's very little competition in the ultra-sensitive space. So we see it as an opportunity to go get market share over the next year or two.

Speaker #6: And in doing so, we would have to sacrifice a little bit on cash burn, as well as on gross margin, primarily because until we get a few more coverages, right, it's going to be diluted to our gross margins.

Speaker #6: Does that make sense?

Speaker #10: Yeah. No, it does. And I get the capital and the reimbursement. I was just curious if you were seeing things in the market that were saying, "Hey, we should really step up as well too." But it sounds like it was more the other factor.

William Bonello: Yeah. No, it does. I get the capital and the reimbursement. I was just curious if you were seeing things in the market that were saying, Hey, we should really step up as well, too. It sounds like it was more of another factor.

Bill Bonello: Yeah. No, it does. I get the capital and the reimbursement. I was just curious if you were seeing things in the market that were saying, Hey, we should really step up as well, too. It sounds like it was more of another factor.

Chris Hall: Yeah, Bill, I mean, we see strong demand. I mean, I think you're hearing that from people talking about it. We're here to meet the demands of the physicians. We're still managing this carefully. I mean, to step up from 74 to 100, it's not like a crazy drive forward. We're also investing heavily in R&D, both in the studies, the evidence development, pushing forward in multiple different ways to accelerate coverage. Then the guide at the current level doesn't have any more progress in coverage or in reimbursement. We feel like there's a lot of upside there. That'll continue to be helpful as we go forward. We feel like this is the right spot. The guide, I think, hit a good cadence of investment versus weighed up against expansion.

Speaker #6: Yeah. Bill, I mean, we see strong demand. And I mean, I think you're hearing that from people talking about it. And we're here to meet the demands of the physicians.

Speaker #6: And we're still managing this carefully. I mean, the step up from 74 to 100 is not a crazy drive forward. We're also investing heavily in R&D, both in the studies and the evidence development, pushing forward in multiple different ways to accelerate coverage.

Speaker #6: And then the guide and the guide is current level doesn't have any more progress in coverage or in reimbursement. And we feel like there's a lot of upside there.

Speaker #6: And that'll continue to be helpful as we go forward. So we feel like this is the right spot. The guide, I think, hit a good cadence of investment versus weight up against expansion.

Speaker #6: And I think the investments that we do make now will pay dividends. And in the future, we could probably ungate and go ever faster.

Chris Hall: I think the investments that we do make now will pay dividends in the future. We could probably ungate and go ever faster, but that would spend even more money. I think we feel like we've hit the right balance here.

Speaker #6: But that would spend even more money, and so I think this is—I think we feel like we've hit the right balance here.

Speaker #6: Sure. Just a couple follow-ups then. To the extent that you're allowed to talk about this, have you sort of given Tempus also the green light—maybe not to go full throttle?

William Bonello: Sure. Just a couple follow-ups. To the extent that you're allowed to talk about this, have you sort of given Tempus also the green light, maybe not to go full throttle, do they have a little more freedom in what they can do with sales as well?

Bill Bonello: Sure. Just a couple follow-ups. To the extent that you're allowed to talk about this, have you sort of given Tempus also the green light, maybe not to go full throttle, do they have a little more freedom in what they can do with sales as well?

Speaker #6: But do they have a little more freedom in what they can do with sales as well? Well, we're focused on going deeper within accounts.

Chris Hall: Well, we're focused on going deeper within accounts, and we've added some more reps ourselves. I feel like we're in a good position, and we work really well right now. We're driving forward with the idea that we're building demand for this ultra-sensitive approach and making progress.

Speaker #6: And we're focused on—we've added some more reps ourselves. And I feel like we're in a good position, and we work really well right now.

Speaker #6: And we're driving forward with the idea that we're building demand for this ultra-sensitive approach. And making progress.

Speaker #10: Okay. That was a good non-answer. The last thing is just cash burn. For the year, I think you just, in your—there was no cash flow statement.

William Bonello: Okay. That was a good non-answer. The last thing is just cash burn for the year. I think you just in your there was no cash flow statement, but I think in your comment, you just said it was about $70 million for this year. Is that right?

Bill Bonello: Okay. That was a good non-answer. The last thing is just cash burn for the year. I think you just in your there was no cash flow statement, but I think in your comment, you just said it was about $70 million for this year. Is that right?

Speaker #10: But I think in your comment, you just said it was about $70 million for this year. Is that right?

Speaker #6: Yeah, so we used about $74 million, and that was in our prepared remarks, Bill. And we expect to use $70 million in 2026.

Aaron Tachibana: Yeah. We used about $74 million, and that was in our prepared remarks, Bill. We expect to use $8 million in 2026.

Speaker #10: Yeah. 74 to 100.

Chris Hall: Yeah. 74 to 100.

Speaker #6: Yeah.

Aaron Tachibana: Yeah.

Speaker #10: Okay, perfect. Thank you so much.

William Bonello: Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much.

Bill Bonello: Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much.

Speaker #6: Thank you, Bill.

Aaron Tachibana: Thank you, Bill.

Speaker #1: The next question we have is from Mike Matson of Needham & Co. Please go ahead.

Caroline Corner: The next question we have is from Mike Matson of Needham & Co. Please go ahead.

Speaker #11: Hey, Chris, Aaron, Rich. Thank you very much for taking our questions. This is Joseph Han from Mike. Just a couple here. In your prepared remarks, you called out, I guess, a heightened focus on CRC and neoadjuvant breasts moving forward.

Joseph Hallum: Hey, Chris, Aaron, Rich. Thank you very much for taking our questions. This is Joseph Hallum from Mike. Just a couple here. In your prepared remarks, you called out, I guess, a heightened focus on CRC and neoadjuvant breast moving forward. Just wondering, should we expect maybe a submission at least for reimbursement in 2026 for those two? I have a couple more after that. Thank you.

Joseph Stringer: Hey, Chris, Aaron, Rich. Thank you very much for taking our questions. This is Joseph Hallum from Mike. Just a couple here. In your prepared remarks, you called out, I guess, a heightened focus on CRC and neoadjuvant breast moving forward. Just wondering, should we expect maybe a submission at least for reimbursement in 2026 for those two? I have a couple more after that. Thank you.

Speaker #11: Just wondering, should we expect maybe a submission at least for reimbursement in 2026 for those two? And I have a couple more after that.

Speaker #11: Thank you.

Speaker #6: Yeah. No, absolutely. We're not I mean, we're not sort of laying out exact timelines because everything is dependent upon when we can get publications, both submitted with investigators and then accepted because we can't submit until those things happen.

Chris Hall: Yeah. No, absolutely. I mean, we're not sort of laying out exact timelines because everything is dependent upon when we can get publications both submitted with investigators and then accepted because we can't submit until those things happen. Yeah, we're driving hard in order to be able to submit for coverage for both of those this year. There's a lot of variability as to when and how that might happen. That's not "in the guide," if you will. I mean, we're moving fast because we see a big demand for use of the technology for those indications for patients.

Speaker #6: But yeah, we're driving hard in order to be able to submit for coverage for both of those this year. But there's a lot of variability as to when and how that might happen.

Speaker #6: So that's not quote in the guide, if you will. But I mean, we're not we're moving fast because we see a big demand for use of the technology for those indications for patients.

Speaker #11: Okay. And I guess just building on that, in terms of, I guess, evidence generation, you guys' strategy around evidence generation for additional cancer indications, I'm just wondering, is there any difference now in strategy compared to breast and lung in terms of is the focus or at least part of the focus looking at trying to get into these very large, almost landmark studies?

Joseph Hallum: Okay. I guess just building on that, in terms of, I guess, evidence generation, your guys' strategy around evidence generation for additional cancer indications, I'm just wondering, is there any difference now in strategy compared to breast and lung in terms of is the focus or at least part of the focus looking at trying to get into these very large, almost landmark studies? Now that you have reimbursement in two indications, do you think smaller studies can pass the bar for Medicare? You called out 35 clinical trials. Is the idea here now quantity of trials rather than number of patients in the trial? I'm just trying to get some broad color on that.

Joseph Stringer: Okay. I guess just building on that, in terms of, I guess, evidence generation, your guys' strategy around evidence generation for additional cancer indications, I'm just wondering, is there any difference now in strategy compared to breast and lung in terms of is the focus or at least part of the focus looking at trying to get into these very large, almost landmark studies? Now that you have reimbursement in two indications, do you think smaller studies can pass the bar for Medicare? You called out 35 clinical trials. Is the idea here now quantity of trials rather than number of patients in the trial? I'm just trying to get some broad color on that.

Speaker #11: Now that you have reimbursement in two indications, do you think smaller studies can pass the bar for Medicare? You called out 35 clinical trials.

Speaker #11: So is the idea here now quantity of trials rather than number of patients in the trial? I'm just trying to get some broad color on that.

Speaker #6: Yeah. Rachel provided his thoughts on this one.

Chris Hall: Yeah. Rich will provide his thoughts on this one. Yeah. Thanks for your question. We've taken a strategy of working with the top KOLs in the world and establishing some baseline evidence for these indications as we expand out our reimbursement coverage. We're going to continue to do that. It's really paid off for us. We debuted very, very strong data in neoadjuvant breast at conferences last year and then also colorectal cancer as well with top KOLs. We think that helps us in the Medicare coverage process. We'll continue to do that not only for those indications but for others.

Speaker #12: Yeah. Thanks for your question. Yeah. So we've done taken a strategy of working with the top KOLs in the world and establishing some baseline evidence for these indications.

Speaker #12: As we expand out, our reimbursement covers. So we're going to continue to—we're going to continue to do us. And so we debuted very, very strong data in neoadjuvant breast at conferences last year, and then also colorectal cancer as well with top KOLs.

Speaker #12: And we think that helps us in the Medicare coverage process. So we'll continue to do that, not only for those indications, but for others.

Speaker #12: In addition to that, we are also we've had a lot of inbound interest from KOLs wanting to expand into clinical utility studies. Using our assay to make decisions for patients and then show that it actually makes a difference in outcomes.

Chris Hall: In addition to that, we've had a lot of inbound interest from KOLs wanting to expand into clinical utility studies using our assay to make decisions for patients and then show that it actually makes a difference in outcomes. This is really important for long-term, not just for the field, but also getting into guidelines and things like that. You'll begin to see more of that as well.

Speaker #12: And this is really important for long-term not just for the field, but also getting into guidelines and things like that. So you'll begin to see more of that as well.

Speaker #11: Okay. Great. Yeah. That's helpful. Maybe just one last one. To get to that high gross margin target you guys have laid out, obviously, reimbursed test volume is the biggest factor there.

Joseph Hallum: Okay. Great. Yeah. That's helpful. Maybe just one last one. To get to that high gross margin target you guys have laid out, obviously, reimbursed test volume is the biggest factor there. I'm just wondering, in terms of other things like lab optimization, automation, what have you, I'm just wondering, have those steps all been completed? Are there more planned? What ending would you say you guys are in in terms of really getting ready to ramp up reimbursed clinical volume?

Joseph Stringer: Okay. Great. Yeah. That's helpful. Maybe just one last one. To get to that high gross margin target you guys have laid out, obviously, reimbursed test volume is the biggest factor there. I'm just wondering, in terms of other things like lab optimization, automation, what have you, I'm just wondering, have those steps all been completed? Are there more planned? What ending would you say you guys are in in terms of really getting ready to ramp up reimbursed clinical volume?

Speaker #11: But I'm just wondering, in terms of other things like lab optimization, automation, what have you, I'm just wondering, have those steps all been completed?

Speaker #11: Are there more planned? What inning would you say you guys are in, in terms of really getting ready to ramp up reimbursed clinical volume?

Speaker #6: Yeah. Good question. So we haven't said specifically what percent of completion are we on all of our operational aspects or projects. We continue to automate the workflow.

Aaron Tachibana: Yeah. Good question. We haven't said specifically what % of completion are we on all of our operational aspects or projects. We continue to automate the workflow, which means as we add capacity and all the capacity for this year isn't all in place at one point in time, right, because you have to buy equipment, hire people, and that's going to weigh even further on margins if you get too far ahead of your skis. We take it one step at a time. Having said that, we are continuing to automate, streamline the workflows, strip out costs from labor or overhead wherever we possibly can, right, as we go forward to be efficient. Over the last couple of years, as we launched the product, we've done a good job with getting ready. We believe we're in a good position sitting here today.

Speaker #6: Which means, as we add capacity—and all the capacity for this year isn't all in place at one point in time, right? Because you have to buy equipment, hire people, and that's going to weigh even further on margins if you get too far ahead of your skis.

Speaker #6: And so we take it one step at a time. But having said that, we are continuing to automate, streamline the workflows, strip out costs from labor or overhead, wherever we possibly can.

Speaker #6: Right? As we go forward to be efficient. And over the last couple of years, as we launched the product, we've done a good job with getting ready.

Speaker #6: And so we believe we're in a good position sitting here today in terms of getting to the upper end of the range on margins.

Aaron Tachibana: In terms of getting to the upper end of the range on margins, right, some of that is dependent upon what happens with biopharma as well because biopharma is a fee-for-service. They pay for every test. In terms of some of the commentary Chris made earlier, we have not baked in IO into our guide, right? That's not contemplated. Depending upon what happens with reimbursement coverage for other cancer types, that could help us as well in terms of moving towards the upper end or beyond.

Speaker #6: Right? Some of that is dependent upon what happens with biopharma as well, because biopharma is fee-for-service; they pay for every test. In terms of some of the commentary Chris made earlier, we have not baked in IO into our guide.

Speaker #6: Right? And so that's not contemplated. Depending upon what happens with reimbursement coverage for other cancer types that could help us as well in terms of moving towards the upper end or beyond.

Speaker #11: Okay, great. Yeah, that's all from us. And congrats on the reimbursement wins so far.

Joseph Hallum: Okay. Great. Yeah. That's all from us, and congrats on the reimbursement wins so far.

Joseph Stringer: Okay. Great. Yeah. That's all from us, and congrats on the reimbursement wins so far.

Speaker #6: Thank you.

Aaron Tachibana: Thank you.

Speaker #12: Thank you.

Chris Hall: Thank you.

Speaker #13: Ladies and gentlemen, just a final reminder, if you would like to ask a question, you may press star and then one. The next question we have is from Tom Stevens of TD Cohen.

Caroline Corner: Ladies and gentlemen, just a final reminder. If you would like to ask a question, you may press star and then one. The next question we have is from Tom Stevens of TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Speaker #13: Please go ahead.

Speaker #14: Hi, all. Thanks for taking my question. I have to take my question here. Just a quick one on adjuvant reimbursement. So, have you outlined any expectations over the next couple of years in breast and lung on the potential for adjuvant reimbursement, and kind of what's the pushback from MolDx there?

Tom Stevens: Hi all. Thanks for taking my question here. Just a quick one on adjuvant reimbursement. Have you outlined any expectations over the next couple of years in breast and lung on the potential for adjuvant reimbursement and kind of what's the pushback from MolDX there? Any color would be helpful. Then kind of secondarily on the neoadjuvant opportunity, I mean, could you lay out broad strokes where pharma is applying them in trials today? Neoadjuvant feels like an easier use case, and maybe some initial market sizing on the neoadjuvant opportunity if you could also spare that. Thank you.

Speaker #14: Any color would be helpful. And then, kind of secondarily on the neoadjuvant opportunity, I mean, could you lay out broad strokes where pharma is applying them in trials today? Neoadjuvant feels like an easier use case.

Speaker #14: And maybe some initial market sizing on the neoadjuvant opportunity, if you could also spare that. Thank you.

Speaker #12: Yeah, Rich is going to grab this one, Tom. Thanks.

Chris Hall: Yeah. Rich Chen is going to grab this one, Tom. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks for the question. Yeah. Adjuvant breast and lung, rest be assured, that is something that we are also focused on and will be pursuing that just like the other indications that we've been successful with. We know that's important. With regards to neoadjuvant breast cancer or neoadjuvant use of the assay in biopharma, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of interest there. I mean, I do know the oncology pipelines for drugs, there's an intense interest in bringing the drugs that are being used in an adjuvant setting and bringing them earlier for patients. The neoadjuvant setting is one that's really important. They want to know if these drugs are working. A highly sensitive assay like ours can be really, really helpful for that.

Speaker #6: Yeah, thanks for the question. Yeah. So, adjuvant breast and lung recipe shared—that is something that we are also focused on, and will be pursuing that just like the other indications.

Speaker #6: That we've been successful with. So we know that's important. With regards to neoadjuvant breast cancer in or neoadjuvant use, of the assay in biopharma, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of interest there.

Speaker #6: I mean, as you know, the oncology pipelines for drugs, there's intense interest in bringing the drugs that are being used in adjuvant setting and bringing them earlier.

Speaker #6: For patients, so then the neoadjuvant setting is one that's really important. And they want to know if these drugs are working. And so a highly sensitive assay like ours can be really, really helpful for that.

Speaker #6: We actually and that, if you look at the data that we presented last year, in neoadjuvant breast cancer, it just shows the power of an ultra-sensitive approach that was in triple negative breast cancer and HER2 positive.

Chris Hall: We actually, if you look at the data that we presented last year in neoadjuvant breast cancer, it just shows the power of an ultra-sensitive approach that was in triple-negative breast cancer and HER2-positive. The current state-of-the-art biomarker that's used is something called pCR. In those studies, we showed that our assay performed very well compared to pCR and in some cases better. You can imagine, since that data has come out, there's been a lot of interest in using an assay like ours to get an early read on their neoadjuvant studies and whether they're being successful or not.

Speaker #6: And the current state of the art biomarker that's used is something called PASCR. And so in those studies, we showed that our assay performed very well compared to PASCR.

Speaker #6: And in some cases, better. And so you can imagine since that data has come out, there's been a lot of interest in using an assay like ours to get an early read on their neoadjuvant studies and whether they're being successful or not.

Speaker #11: Great. And then just any initial view on the sizing of the kind of clinical market there? And kind of what the potential for that could be?

Tom Stevens: Great. Just any initial view on the sizing of the kind of clinical market there and kind of what the potential for that could be long time?

Speaker #11: Long, long time.

Speaker #6: Yeah. So I think there's definitely we haven't estimated that. I'd say if you look at the patient journey, for MRD, it does start with neoadjuvant but it's a relatively small fraction of that entire patient journey.

Aaron Tachibana: Yeah. I think there's definitely we haven't estimated that. What I'd say is if you look at the patient journey for MRD, it does start with neoadjuvant, but it's a relatively small fraction of that entire patient journey. Surveillance over time, over many years, there's going to be a lot of testing done there, both for breast cancer and early-stage lung cancer. That's why we started there, and we achieved coverage there. Now we're kind of working our way backwards into these other indications.

Speaker #6: Surveillance over time, over many years. There's going to be a lot of testing done there, both for breast cancer and early-stage lung cancer. That's why we started there.

Speaker #6: And we achieved coverage there. And now we're kind of working our way backwards into these other indications.

Speaker #11: Got it. Thanks very much, guys.

Tom Stevens: Got it. Thanks very much, guys.

Speaker #12: Thanks, Tom.

Aaron Tachibana: Thanks, Tom.

Speaker #13: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the question and answer session. And with that, this concludes today's teleconference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.

Caroline Corner: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the question-and-answer session. With that, this concludes today's teleconference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.

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