Q4 2025 PubMatic Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Thank you for your attendance today, and as a reminder, this webinar is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Stacie Clements.
Speaker #2: Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to PubMatic's earnings call for the fourth quarter and full year 2025. This is Stacie Clements, and I'll be your operator today.
Stacie Clements: Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to PubMatic's earnings call for Q4 and full year 2025. This is Stacie Clements. I'll be your operator today. Joining me on the call are Rajeev Goel, Co-Founder and CEO, and Steve Pantelick, CFO. Before we get started, I have a few housekeeping items. Today's prepared remarks have been recorded, after which Rajeev and Steve will host live Q&A. If you plan to ask a question, please ensure you've set your Zoom to display your full name and firm. Use the Raise Hand function located at the bottom of your screen. A copy of our press release can be found on our website at investors.pubmatic.com. I would like to remind participants that during this call, management will make forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, statements regarding our future performance, market opportunity, growth strategy, and financial outlook.
Stacie Clements: Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to PubMatic's earnings call for Q4 and full year 2025. This is Stacie Clements. I'll be your operator today. Joining me on the call are Rajeev Goel, Co-Founder and CEO, and Steve Pantelick, CFO. Before we get started, I have a few housekeeping items. Today's prepared remarks have been recorded, after which Rajeev and Steve will host live Q&A. If you plan to ask a question, please ensure you've set your Zoom to display your full name and firm. Use the Raise Hand function located at the bottom of your screen. A copy of our press release can be found on our website at investors.pubmatic.com. I would like to remind participants that during this call, management will make forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, statements regarding our future performance, market opportunity, growth strategy, and financial outlook.
Speaker #2: Joining me on the call are Rajeev Goel, co-founder and CEO, and Steve Pantelick, CFO. Before we get started, I have a few housekeeping items.
Speaker #2: Today's prepared remarks have been recorded. After which, Rajeev and Steve will host live Q&A. If you plan to ask a question, please ensure you've set your Zoom to display your full name and firm, and use the raise hand function located at the bottom of your screen.
Speaker #2: A copy of our press release can be found on our website at investors.pubmatic.com. I would like to remind participants that during this call, management will make forward-looking statements, including without limitations, statements regarding our future performance, market opportunity, growth strategy, and financial outlook.
Speaker #2: Forward-looking statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions regarding our business, the economy, and future conditions. These forward-looking statements are subject to inherent risks, uncertainties, and changes in circumstances that are difficult to predict.
Stacie Clements: Forward-looking statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions regarding our business, the economy, and future conditions. These forward-looking statements are subject to inherent risks, uncertainties, and changes in circumstances that are difficult to predict. You can find more information about these risks, uncertainties, and other factors in our forms filed from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission and are available at investors.pubmatic.com, including our most recent Form 10-K and any subsequent filings on Form 10-Q or 8-K. Our actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by the forward-looking statements. We caution you, therefore, against relying on any of these forward-looking statements. All information discussed today is as of 26 February 2026, and we do not intend and undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future developments, or otherwise, except as may be required by law.
Stacie Clements: Forward-looking statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions regarding our business, the economy, and future conditions. These forward-looking statements are subject to inherent risks, uncertainties, and changes in circumstances that are difficult to predict. You can find more information about these risks, uncertainties, and other factors in our forms filed from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission and are available at investors.pubmatic.com, including our most recent Form 10-K and any subsequent filings on Form 10-Q or 8-K. Our actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by the forward-looking statements. We caution you, therefore, against relying on any of these forward-looking statements. All information discussed today is as of 26 February 2026, and we do not intend and undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future developments, or otherwise, except as may be required by law.
Speaker #2: You can find more information about these risks, uncertainties, and other factors in our forms filed from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission and are available at investors.pubmatic.com, including our most recent Form 10-K and any subsequent filings on Forms 10-Q or 8-K.
Speaker #2: Our actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by the forward-looking statements. We caution you, therefore, against relying on any of these forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: All information discussed today is as of February 26, 2026, and we do not intend, and undertake no obligation, to update any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future developments, or otherwise, except as may be required by law.
Speaker #2: In addition, today's discussion will include references to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, non-GAAP net income, cash flows from operations, and free cash flow.
Stacie Clements: In addition, today's discussion will include references to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, non-GAAP net income, cash flow from operations, and free cash flow. These non-GAAP measures are presented for supplemental informational purposes only and should not be considered a substitute for financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is available in our press release. Now I will turn the call over to Rajeev.
Stacie Clements: In addition, today's discussion will include references to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, non-GAAP net income, cash flow from operations, and free cash flow. These non-GAAP measures are presented for supplemental informational purposes only and should not be considered a substitute for financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is available in our press release. Now I will turn the call over to Rajeev.
Speaker #2: These non-GAAP measures are presented for supplemental informational purposes only and should not be considered a substitute for financial information presented in accordance with GAAP.
Speaker #2: A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is available in our press release. And now I will turn the call over to Rajeev.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Stacy, and welcome, everyone. We delivered an exceptionally strong fourth quarter with revenue and adjusted EBITDA ahead of guidance, healthy margins, and strong cash flow.
Rajeev Goel: Thank you, Stacie, and welcome everyone. We delivered an exceptionally strong Q4 with revenue and adjusted EBITDA ahead of guidance, healthy margins, and strong cash flow. Our results highlight continued growth in our underlying business, our leadership position in AI solutions, and the durability of our business model. For the full year, CTV grew over 50% year-over-year, excluding political, and Activate activity grew over 3x. Emerging revenues, which include Activate, Commerce Media, and new AI solutions, nearly doubled over 2024 and now represent nearly 10% of total revenues. Over the past year, we made decisive moves to reposition PubMatic for renewed profitable growth. Those actions are bearing fruit and have directly contributed to our performance over the last two quarters. They have strengthened our competitive moat and have positioned us to deliver accelerated double-digit percentage growth for the second half of 2026.
Rajeev Goel: Thank you, Stacie, and welcome everyone. We delivered an exceptionally strong Q4 with revenue and adjusted EBITDA ahead of guidance, healthy margins, and strong cash flow. Our results highlight continued growth in our underlying business, our leadership position in AI solutions, and the durability of our business model. For the full year, CTV grew over 50% year-over-year, excluding political, and Activate activity grew over 3x. Emerging revenues, which include Activate, Commerce Media, and new AI solutions, nearly doubled over 2024 and now represent nearly 10% of total revenues. Over the past year, we made decisive moves to reposition PubMatic for renewed profitable growth. Those actions are bearing fruit and have directly contributed to our performance over the last two quarters. They have strengthened our competitive moat and have positioned us to deliver accelerated double-digit percentage growth for the second half of 2026.
Speaker #3: Our results highlight continued growth in our underlying business, our leadership position in AI solutions, and the durability of our business model. For the full year, CTV grew over 50% year over year, excluding political, and Activate activity grew over 3x.
Speaker #3: Emerging revenues, which include Activate, commerce, media, and new AI solutions, nearly doubled over 2024 and now represent nearly 10% of total revenues. Over the past year, we made decisive moves to reposition PubMatic for renewed profitable growth.
Speaker #3: Those actions are bearing fruit and have directly contributed to our performance over the last two quarters. They have strengthened our competitive moat and have positioned us to deliver accelerated, double-digit percentage growth for the second half of 2026.
Speaker #3: These moves represent the first critical steps of our five-year roadmap designed to re-accelerate growth, expand margins, and compound long-term shareholder value. This roadmap marks an important turning point for PubMatic and coincides with a pivotal transformation in the industry driven by AI.
Rajeev Goel: These moves represent the first critical steps of our five-year roadmap designed to re-accelerate growth, expand margins, and compound long-term shareholder value. This roadmap marks an important turning point for PubMatic and coincides with a pivotal transformation in the industry driven by AI. In fact, AI, in the form of agentic advertising, has emerged as a new and incremental tailwind to our business. Advertising is entering a new phase, one defined by AI-driven autonomous systems operating in real time. We sit at the center of a highly competitive millisecond-level auction environment, where value is determined by measurable outcomes such as yield, performance, and efficiency. PubMatic is enabling AI adoption across the open internet. Our proprietary data, scaled infrastructure, and thousands of deep integrations across buyers and publishers form a real-time execution layer that cannot be replicated by vibe-coded software.
Rajeev Goel: These moves represent the first critical steps of our five-year roadmap designed to re-accelerate growth, expand margins, and compound long-term shareholder value. This roadmap marks an important turning point for PubMatic and coincides with a pivotal transformation in the industry driven by AI. In fact, AI, in the form of agentic advertising, has emerged as a new and incremental tailwind to our business. Advertising is entering a new phase, one defined by AI-driven autonomous systems operating in real time. We sit at the center of a highly competitive millisecond-level auction environment, where value is determined by measurable outcomes such as yield, performance, and efficiency. PubMatic is enabling AI adoption across the open internet. Our proprietary data, scaled infrastructure, and thousands of deep integrations across buyers and publishers form a real-time execution layer that cannot be replicated by vibe-coded software.
Speaker #3: In fact, AI, in the form of agentic advertising, has emerged as a new and incremental tailwind to our business. Advertising is entering a new phase, one defined by AI-driven autonomous systems operating in real time.
Speaker #3: We sit at the center of a highly competitive, millisecond-level auction environment where value is determined by measurability and efficiency. PubMatic is enabling AI adoption across the open internet.
Speaker #3: Our proprietary data, scaled infrastructure, and thousands of deep integrations across buyers and publishers form a real-time execution layer that cannot be replicated by vibe-coded software.
Speaker #3: Our leadership in agentic advertising gives us confidence we can shape this next evolution of digital advertising, and we are investing in executing aggressively to capture that opportunity.
Rajeev Goel: Our leadership in agentic advertising gives us confidence we can shape this next evolution of digital advertising, and we are investing and executing aggressively to capture that opportunity. In October, we co-founded the Ad Context Protocol alongside Yahoo, LG Ad Solutions, Raptive, and others, setting industry standards for safe and interoperable agent-to-agent interaction. In December, we partnered with Butler/Till and Geloso Beverage Group to launch the industry's first fully autonomous end-to-end agentic campaign, proving that PubMatic's agents can execute media plans and optimize outcomes on behalf of advertisers. The campaign delivered more than 5x cost efficiencies, enabling significantly more advertiser spend to shift directly into working media. Following this success, the agency quickly launched a second campaign. In addition to delivering top-tier agentic performance, our AI-powered platform handles more complexity with significantly less manual effort.
Rajeev Goel: Our leadership in agentic advertising gives us confidence we can shape this next evolution of digital advertising, and we are investing and executing aggressively to capture that opportunity. In October, we co-founded the Ad Context Protocol alongside Yahoo, LG Ad Solutions, Raptive, and others, setting industry standards for safe and interoperable agent-to-agent interaction. In December, we partnered with Butler/Till and Geloso Beverage Group to launch the industry's first fully autonomous end-to-end agentic campaign, proving that PubMatic's agents can execute media plans and optimize outcomes on behalf of advertisers. The campaign delivered more than 5x cost efficiencies, enabling significantly more advertiser spend to shift directly into working media. Following this success, the agency quickly launched a second campaign. In addition to delivering top-tier agentic performance, our AI-powered platform handles more complexity with significantly less manual effort.
Speaker #3: In October, we co-founded the Ad Context Protocol alongside Yahoo, LG Ad Solutions, Raptive, and others, setting industry standards for safe and interoperable agent-to-agent interaction.
Speaker #3: In December, we partnered with Butler/Till and Geloso Beverage Group to launch the industry's first fully autonomous end-to-end agentic campaign, proving that PubMatic's agents can execute media plans and optimize outcomes on behalf of advertisers.
Speaker #3: The campaign delivered more than 5X cost efficiencies, enabling significantly more advertiser spend to shift directly into working media. Following the success, the agency quickly launched a second campaign.
Speaker #3: In addition to delivering top-tier agentic performance, our AI-powered platform handles more complexity with significantly less manual effort. We are cutting campaign setup time by 87% and speeding up issue resolution time by 70%.
Rajeev Goel: We are cutting campaign setup time by 87% and speeding up issue resolution time by 70%. This means faster activations, higher productivity, and better outcomes for our customers. In January, agent-to-agent transactions became a scalable reality. At the Consumer Electronics Show, we unveiled AgenticOS alongside our launch partners, including WPP Media, Foxtel Media, and multiple independent agencies and tech partners. As Skyler McGill, head of video and programmatic at independent agency Wpromote put it, we're witnessing the biggest transformation in programmatic since real-time bidding. Our work with PubMatic puts us at the forefront of defining how human strategy and autonomous systems converge to unlock new capabilities in personalization and scale. Now, building on this momentum, we recently delivered one of the industry's first agentic CTV advertising campaigns with Avovo Maxlead in Europe, integrating directly with the largest independent media agency in the Netherlands.
Rajeev Goel: We are cutting campaign setup time by 87% and speeding up issue resolution time by 70%. This means faster activations, higher productivity, and better outcomes for our customers. In January, agent-to-agent transactions became a scalable reality. At the Consumer Electronics Show, we unveiled AgenticOS alongside our launch partners, including WPP Media, Foxtel Media, and multiple independent agencies and tech partners. As Skyler McGill, head of video and programmatic at independent agency Wpromote put it, we're witnessing the biggest transformation in programmatic since real-time bidding. Our work with PubMatic puts us at the forefront of defining how human strategy and autonomous systems converge to unlock new capabilities in personalization and scale. Now, building on this momentum, we recently delivered one of the industry's first agentic CTV advertising campaigns with Avovo Maxlead in Europe, integrating directly with the largest independent media agency in the Netherlands.
Speaker #3: This means faster activations, higher productivity, and better outcomes for our customers. In January, agent-to-agent transactions became a scalable reality. At the Consumer Electronics Show, we unveiled agentic OS alongside our launch partners, including WPP Media, Foxtel Media, and multiple independent agencies and tech partners.
Speaker #3: As Skyler McGill, head of video and programmatic at independent agency WPromote, put it, "We're witnessing the biggest transformation in programmatic since real-time bidding." Our work with PubMatic puts us at the forefront of defining how human strategy, an autonomous system's converge, to unlock new capabilities and personalization and scale.
Speaker #3: Now, building on this momentum, we recently delivered one of the industry's first agentic CTV advertising campaigns with the Vovo Max Lead in Europe. Integrating directly with the largest independent media agency in the Netherlands.
Speaker #3: Adoption of agentic OS continues to be swift. We have already run over 250 agentic deals across our platform, many of which represent new and incremental advertisers to PubMatic.
Rajeev Goel: Adoption of AgenticOS continues to be swift. We have already run over 250 agentic deals across our platform, many of which represent new and incremental advertisers to PubMatic. Our Agentic AI accelerator program enables customers and partners to launch live agentic campaigns within weeks and quickly scale usage. Remarkably, almost 100 brands, agencies, and streamers have applied to join, making it the fastest early-stage adoption of any product we've launched. This strong uptake underscores two important and distinctive points. First is the magnitude of the secular growth opportunity as digital advertising adopts agentic AI. By 2028, I expect 25% of all digital advertising to be executed autonomously via agentic AI, and by 2030, I expect that to jump to 50%. As an early AI leader, this unlocks transformative growth for PubMatic long before our peers.
Rajeev Goel: Adoption of AgenticOS continues to be swift. We have already run over 250 agentic deals across our platform, many of which represent new and incremental advertisers to PubMatic. Our Agentic AI accelerator program enables customers and partners to launch live agentic campaigns within weeks and quickly scale usage. Remarkably, almost 100 brands, agencies, and streamers have applied to join, making it the fastest early-stage adoption of any product we've launched. This strong uptake underscores two important and distinctive points. First is the magnitude of the secular growth opportunity as digital advertising adopts agentic AI. By 2028, I expect 25% of all digital advertising to be executed autonomously via agentic AI, and by 2030, I expect that to jump to 50%. As an early AI leader, this unlocks transformative growth for PubMatic long before our peers.
Speaker #3: Our agentic AI accelerator program enables customers and partners to launch live agentic campaigns within weeks, and quickly scale usage. Remarkably, almost 100 brands, agencies, and streamers have applied to join, making it the fastest early-stage adoption of any product we've launched.
Speaker #3: This strong uptake underscores two important and distinctive points. First is the magnitude of the secular growth opportunity as digital advertising adopts agentic AI. By 2028, I expect 25% of all digital advertising to be executed autonomously via agentic AI, and by 2030, I expect that to jump to 50%.
Speaker #3: As an early AI leader, this unlocks transformative growth for PubMatic long before our peers. With our scale already building in agentic AI, this leading advantage is widening, with each transaction enhancing our model's ability to drive improved performance, fueling long-term revenue growth and incremental margin expansion.
Rajeev Goel: With our scale already building in Agentic AI, this leading advantage is widening, with each transaction enhancing our model's ability to drive improved performance, fueling long-term revenue growth and incremental margin expansion. Second, the opportunity is much bigger than simply technology revolution. Agentic AI will upend and collapse the industry's value chain, bringing advertisers and publishers much closer together. This will create a step function change in advertising efficiency and effectiveness, which will significantly expand the open internet advertising market in aggregate with new advertisers and increased budgets. In short, AI is an incremental tailwind for PubMatic, and we are uniquely positioned to take advantage of this opportunity with nearly 2,000 premium publisher integrations representing over 100,000 sites and apps, 250-plus data partners on Connect, our direct buying platform, Activate, and our fully owned AI-enabled infrastructure.
Rajeev Goel: With our scale already building in Agentic AI, this leading advantage is widening, with each transaction enhancing our model's ability to drive improved performance, fueling long-term revenue growth and incremental margin expansion. Second, the opportunity is much bigger than simply technology revolution. Agentic AI will upend and collapse the industry's value chain, bringing advertisers and publishers much closer together. This will create a step function change in advertising efficiency and effectiveness, which will significantly expand the open internet advertising market in aggregate with new advertisers and increased budgets. In short, AI is an incremental tailwind for PubMatic, and we are uniquely positioned to take advantage of this opportunity with nearly 2,000 premium publisher integrations representing over 100,000 sites and apps, 250-plus data partners on Connect, our direct buying platform, Activate, and our fully owned AI-enabled infrastructure.
Speaker #3: And second, the opportunity is much bigger than simply a technology revolution. Agentic AI will upend and collapse the industry's value chain, bringing advertisers and publishers much closer together.
Speaker #3: This will create a step function change in advertising efficiency and effectiveness, which will significantly expand the open internet advertising market in aggregate, with new advertisers and increased budgets.
Speaker #3: In short, AI is an incremental tailwind for PubMatic, and we are uniquely positioned to take advantage of this opportunity with nearly 2,000 premium publisher integrations representing over 100,000 sites and apps, 250-plus data partners on Connect, our direct buying platform Activate, and our fully owned AI-enabled infrastructure.
Speaker #3: While the past 20 years were about real-time bidding, the next decade will be about AI-led intelligence that connects the entire customer journey. The depth of our publisher inventory, combined with our tech stack, gives PubMatic a clear competitive advantage in this transition.
Rajeev Goel: While the past 20 years were about real-time bidding, the next decade will be about AI-led intelligence that connects the entire customer journey. The depth of our publisher inventory, combined with our tech stack, gives PubMatic a clear competitive advantage in this transition. We own our own infrastructure, sit at the intersection of media and the consumer, and innovate rapidly without dependence on third parties. These strengths power our 3-layer architecture of advertising intelligence. At the infrastructure layer, our NVIDIA partnership enables next gen AI models to run in our private cloud with hardware and software solutions optimized for digital advertising. Owning our infrastructure also means that as compute requirements grow, our efficiency and margins expand with scale.
Rajeev Goel: While the past 20 years were about real-time bidding, the next decade will be about AI-led intelligence that connects the entire customer journey. The depth of our publisher inventory, combined with our tech stack, gives PubMatic a clear competitive advantage in this transition. We own our own infrastructure, sit at the intersection of media and the consumer, and innovate rapidly without dependence on third parties. These strengths power our 3-layer architecture of advertising intelligence. At the infrastructure layer, our NVIDIA partnership enables next gen AI models to run in our private cloud with hardware and software solutions optimized for digital advertising. Owning our infrastructure also means that as compute requirements grow, our efficiency and margins expand with scale.
Speaker #3: We own our own infrastructure, sit at the intersection of media and the consumer, and innovate rapidly without dependence on third parties. These strengths power our three-layer architecture of advertising intelligence.
Speaker #3: At the infrastructure layer, our NVIDIA partnership enables next-gen AI models to run in our private cloud, with hardware and software solutions optimized for digital advertising.
Speaker #3: Owning our infrastructure also means that, as compute requirements grow, our efficiency and margins expand with scale. At the application layer, AI is embedded into core workflows in publisher solutions that unlock new revenue opportunities.
Rajeev Goel: At the application layer, AI is embedded into core workflows and publisher solutions that unlock new revenue opportunities. Nearly 10% of publishers on our platform are now deriving revenue from our AI solutions and generating incremental revenue for PubMatic. At the transaction layer, Activate and AgenticOS are transforming how advertisers and publishers connect, delivering higher performance and efficiency. Together, these layers form a flywheel for growth. Each innovation drives usage and strengthens our long-term competitive mode. They also allow us to innovate around growing opportunities within open internet advertising. We recently partnered with Kontext, a monetization layer for generative AI content experiences. Our integration enables publishers to monetize conversational AI experiences programmatically while maintaining control over their content, data, and user experience. Our direct integrations and AI-first infrastructure position us well to support and scale as these and other emerging ad formats evolve.
Rajeev Goel: At the application layer, AI is embedded into core workflows and publisher solutions that unlock new revenue opportunities. Nearly 10% of publishers on our platform are now deriving revenue from our AI solutions and generating incremental revenue for PubMatic. At the transaction layer, Activate and AgenticOS are transforming how advertisers and publishers connect, delivering higher performance and efficiency. Together, these layers form a flywheel for growth. Each innovation drives usage and strengthens our long-term competitive mode. They also allow us to innovate around growing opportunities within open internet advertising. We recently partnered with Kontext, a monetization layer for generative AI content experiences. Our integration enables publishers to monetize conversational AI experiences programmatically while maintaining control over their content, data, and user experience. Our direct integrations and AI-first infrastructure position us well to support and scale as these and other emerging ad formats evolve.
Speaker #3: Nearly 10% of publishers on our platform are now deriving revenue from our AI solutions, generating incremental revenue for PubMatic. And at the transaction layer, Activate and agentic OS are transforming how advertisers and publishers connect, delivering higher performance and efficiency.
Speaker #3: Together, these layers form a flywheel for growth. Each innovation drives usage and strengthens our long-term competitive moat. They also allow us to innovate around growing opportunities within open internet advertising.
Speaker #3: We recently partnered with Context, a monetization layer for generative AI content experiences. Our integration enables publishers to monetize conversational AI experiences programmatically, while maintaining control over their content, data, and user experience.
Speaker #3: Our direct integrations and AI-first infrastructure position us well to support and scale as these and other emerging ad formats evolve. Even as agentic advertising accelerates, we remain sharply focused on the five strategic priorities we set mid-last year.
Rajeev Goel: Even as agentic advertising accelerates, we remain sharply focused on the 5 strategic priorities we set mid last year. These priorities are fueling underlying growth across our platform and will underpin double-digit revenue expansion in the second half of 2026. First, we continue to diversify our buyer mix, integrating with 50 new DSP partners last year. The mid-market advertisers represented by these DSPs are the fastest-growing segment of the market as demand for performance-oriented solutions accelerates. This growth is reflected by the strength of the open internet, which offers professionally created content and a growing logged-in user base across CTV and mobile app. This logged-in scale is critical for measurement, conversion, and ROI, making the open internet increasingly compelling for performance advertisers.
Rajeev Goel: Even as agentic advertising accelerates, we remain sharply focused on the 5 strategic priorities we set mid last year. These priorities are fueling underlying growth across our platform and will underpin double-digit revenue expansion in the second half of 2026. First, we continue to diversify our buyer mix, integrating with 50 new DSP partners last year. The mid-market advertisers represented by these DSPs are the fastest-growing segment of the market as demand for performance-oriented solutions accelerates. This growth is reflected by the strength of the open internet, which offers professionally created content and a growing logged-in user base across CTV and mobile app. This logged-in scale is critical for measurement, conversion, and ROI, making the open internet increasingly compelling for performance advertisers.
Speaker #3: These priorities are fueling underlying growth across our platform and will underpin double-digit revenue expansion in the second half of 2026. First, we continue to diversify our buyer mix, integrating with 50 new DSP partners last year.
Speaker #3: The mid-market advertisers represented by these DSPs are the fastest-growing segment of the market as demand for performance-oriented solutions accelerates. This growth is reflected by the strength of the open internet, which offers professionally created content and a growing logged-in user base across CTV and mobile app.
Speaker #3: This logged-in scale is critical for measurement, conversion, and ROI, making the open internet increasingly compelling for performance advertisers. Second, we grew our buyer-focused go-to-market team by nearly 20% year over year, and strengthened that team with new leadership to support deeper market penetration and account expansion.
Rajeev Goel: Second, we grew our buyer-focused go-to-market team by nearly 20% year-over-year and strengthened that team with new leadership to support deeper market penetration and account expansion. These investments are translating into stronger direct relationships with brands and agencies, with Activate consistently delivering top-tier performance that drives repeat spend and broader adoption. For example, in an IPG KINESSO-led campaign, Activate outperformed on every key metric, generating 72% more clicks, 11% more impressions purchased, and nearly 20% lower CPMs for a leading global oil company, upending their traditional approach to programmatic buying. Similarly, MiQ, a global programmatic partner, significantly boosted brand visibility. Using Activate, MiQ powered a CTV campaign that required transparent show-level reporting capabilities unavailable in its legacy buying platform. These outcomes demonstrate how Activate collapses the value chain in the open internet, improving efficiency and ROI.
Rajeev Goel: Second, we grew our buyer-focused go-to-market team by nearly 20% year-over-year and strengthened that team with new leadership to support deeper market penetration and account expansion. These investments are translating into stronger direct relationships with brands and agencies, with Activate consistently delivering top-tier performance that drives repeat spend and broader adoption. For example, in an IPG KINESSO-led campaign, Activate outperformed on every key metric, generating 72% more clicks, 11% more impressions purchased, and nearly 20% lower CPMs for a leading global oil company, upending their traditional approach to programmatic buying. Similarly, MiQ, a global programmatic partner, significantly boosted brand visibility. Using Activate, MiQ powered a CTV campaign that required transparent show-level reporting capabilities unavailable in its legacy buying platform. These outcomes demonstrate how Activate collapses the value chain in the open internet, improving efficiency and ROI.
Speaker #3: These investments are translating into stronger, direct relationships with brands and agencies, with Activate consistently delivering top-tier performance that drives repeat spend and broader adoption.
Speaker #3: For example, in an IPG Canessa-led campaign, Activate outperformed on every key metric, generating 72% more clicks and 11% more impressions purchased and nearly 20% lower CPMs for a leading global oil company.
Speaker #3: Upending their traditional approach to programmatic buying. Similarly, MIQ, a global programmatic partner, significantly boosted brand visibility. Using Activate, MIQ powered a CTV campaign that required transparent, show-level reporting, capabilities unavailable in its legacy buying platform.
Speaker #3: These outcomes demonstrate how Activate collapses the value chain in the open internet of proving efficiency and ROI. What's more, with agentic OS, Activate will increasingly serve as a gateway to AI-enabled advertising for a broad range of advertisers.
Rajeev Goel: What's more, with AgenticOS, Activate will increasingly serve as a gateway to AI-enabled advertising for a broad range of advertisers. Third, CTV remains one of our most exciting growth channels. We recently added a new marquee global streamer to our platform and now partner with 28 of the top 30 global streamers, including Roku, Samsung TV Plus, DIRECTV, Fox Sports, Tubi, VIZIO, and more. This leadership continues to attract top global brands to our platform. Sony Network Communications recently chose PubMatic to seamlessly reach both linear and CTV audiences programmatically via our platform. The campaign highlights how PubMatic helps brands unlock new incremental customers while driving stronger monetization for CTV publishers. Longer term, this campaign illustrates how PubMatic's programmatic solutions can drive execution across linear formats. Similarly, our mobile app business continued to scale with major mediation solutions.
Rajeev Goel: What's more, with AgenticOS, Activate will increasingly serve as a gateway to AI-enabled advertising for a broad range of advertisers. Third, CTV remains one of our most exciting growth channels. We recently added a new marquee global streamer to our platform and now partner with 28 of the top 30 global streamers, including Roku, Samsung TV Plus, DIRECTV, Fox Sports, Tubi, VIZIO, and more. This leadership continues to attract top global brands to our platform. Sony Network Communications recently chose PubMatic to seamlessly reach both linear and CTV audiences programmatically via our platform. The campaign highlights how PubMatic helps brands unlock new incremental customers while driving stronger monetization for CTV publishers. Longer term, this campaign illustrates how PubMatic's programmatic solutions can drive execution across linear formats. Similarly, our mobile app business continued to scale with major mediation solutions.
Speaker #3: Third, CTV remains one of our most exciting growth channels. We recently added a new marquee global streamer to our platform, and now partner with 28 of the top 30 global streamers, including Roku, Samsung TV+, DirecTV, Fox Sports 2B, Vizio, and more.
Speaker #3: This leadership continues to attract top global brands to our platform. Sony Network Communications recently chose PubMatic to seamlessly reach both linear and CTV audiences programmatically via our platform.
Speaker #3: The campaign highlights how PubMatic helps brands unlock new, incremental customers, while driving stronger monetization for CTV publishers. Longer term, this campaign illustrates how PubMatic's programmatic solutions can drive execution across linear formats.
Speaker #3: Similarly, our mobile app business continued to scale with major mediation solutions. Most recently, we announced that PubMatic's OpenRep SDK is now integrated with one of the largest global mobile ad networks, Google AdMob and Google Ad Manager for mobile app.
Rajeev Goel: Most recently, we announced that PubMatic's OpenWrap SDK is now integrated with one of the largest global mobile ad networks, Google AdMob and Google Ad Manager for mobile app. This integration gives buyers a direct connection to high-quality brand safe inventory. As we enter 2026, mobile remains a strong secular growth area for us, with more partnership announcements in the near future. Fourth, emerging revenues will continue to be a significant growth driver in 2026 as adoption increases across several new products, in particular new AI-powered solutions. Strategically, these solutions strengthen our revenue model in two ways. They increase platform usage as automation drives more transactions and higher performance, and they introduce incremental revenue streams. For example, earlier this month, we announced AI Insights, which gives publishers actionable sales intelligence so they can maximize yield.
Rajeev Goel: Most recently, we announced that PubMatic's OpenWrap SDK is now integrated with one of the largest global mobile ad networks, Google AdMob and Google Ad Manager for mobile app. This integration gives buyers a direct connection to high-quality brand safe inventory. As we enter 2026, mobile remains a strong secular growth area for us, with more partnership announcements in the near future. Fourth, emerging revenues will continue to be a significant growth driver in 2026 as adoption increases across several new products, in particular new AI-powered solutions. Strategically, these solutions strengthen our revenue model in two ways. They increase platform usage as automation drives more transactions and higher performance, and they introduce incremental revenue streams. For example, earlier this month, we announced AI Insights, which gives publishers actionable sales intelligence so they can maximize yield.
Speaker #3: This integration gives buyers a direct connection to high-quality, brand-safe inventory. As we enter 2026, mobile remains a strong, secular growth area for us, with more partnership announcements in the near future.
Speaker #3: Fourth, emerging revenues will continue to be a significant growth driver in 2026 as adoption increases across several new products—in particular, new AI-powered solutions.
Speaker #3: Strategically, these solutions strengthen our revenue model in two ways. They increase platform usage as automation drives more transactions and higher performance, and they introduce incremental revenue streams.
Speaker #3: For example, earlier this month, we announced AI Insights, which gives publishers actionable sales intelligence so they can maximize yield. Using these insights, leading CTV and online video publishers are unlocking 20% plus higher CPMs.
Rajeev Goel: Using these insights, leading CTV and online video publishers are unlocking 20% plus higher CPMs. Realtor.com Senior Vice President of Digital Media and Advertising, Yi-Fang Yen, explained that PubMatic's AI Insights deliver the timely market-level visibility we need to spot performance opportunities, understand shifts in demand, and make confident real-time optimizations as conditions change. Finally, just as we're using AI to drive increased customer performance, we're also using AI to drive our own operational excellence. AI has become a core productivity engine across PubMatic, embedding into processes and work streams across the business. In engineering, over 40% of new code in the second half of 2025 was written by AI, boosting productivity and accelerating time to market. These efficiencies funded new investments in sales and marketing while slightly reducing overall headcount.
Rajeev Goel: Using these insights, leading CTV and online video publishers are unlocking 20% plus higher CPMs. Realtor.com Senior Vice President of Digital Media and Advertising, Yi-Fang Yen, explained that PubMatic's AI Insights deliver the timely market-level visibility we need to spot performance opportunities, understand shifts in demand, and make confident real-time optimizations as conditions change. Finally, just as we're using AI to drive increased customer performance, we're also using AI to drive our own operational excellence. AI has become a core productivity engine across PubMatic, embedding into processes and work streams across the business. In engineering, over 40% of new code in the second half of 2025 was written by AI, boosting productivity and accelerating time to market. These efficiencies funded new investments in sales and marketing while slightly reducing overall headcount.
Speaker #3: Realtor.com's senior vice president of digital media and advertising Yi-Feng Yen explained that PubMatic's AI Insights deliver the timely, market-level visibility we need to spot performance opportunities, understand shifts in demand, and make confident, real-time optimizations as conditions change.
Speaker #3: And finally, just as we are using AI to drive increased customer performance, we're also using AI to drive our own operational excellence. AI has become a core productivity engine across PubMatic, embedding into processes and workstreams across the business.
Speaker #3: In engineering, over 40% of new code in the second half of 2025 was written by AI, boosting productivity and accelerating time to market. These efficiencies funded new investments in sales and marketing, while slightly reducing overall headcount.
Speaker #3: We'll continue to drive increased productivity in 2026 through AI adoption, which in turn will fund investments for profitable growth. I'm proud of the progress we've made in the discipline with which we've built a more durable, scalable growth model.
Rajeev Goel: We'll continue to drive increased productivity in 2026 through AI adoption, which in turn will fund investments for profitable growth. I'm proud of the progress we've made and the discipline with which we've built a more durable, scalable growth model. As we enter 2026, we remain focused on our key strategic priorities: Activate adoption, DSP diversification, and accelerating growth in CTV, mobile, and emerging revenue streams. We expect these initiatives to drive double-digit year-over-year revenue growth in the second half of the year. Looking ahead, agentic AI is an incremental tailwind and a defining advantage for PubMatic. It enhances advertiser performance, expands our addressable market, and increases the flow of budgets to the open internet. With adoption accelerating faster than anticipated, PubMatic is leading the next wave of innovation, helping our customers drive better outcomes through more automated, intelligent, and transparent advertising.
Rajeev Goel: We'll continue to drive increased productivity in 2026 through AI adoption, which in turn will fund investments for profitable growth. I'm proud of the progress we've made and the discipline with which we've built a more durable, scalable growth model. As we enter 2026, we remain focused on our key strategic priorities: Activate adoption, DSP diversification, and accelerating growth in CTV, mobile, and emerging revenue streams. We expect these initiatives to drive double-digit year-over-year revenue growth in the second half of the year. Looking ahead, agentic AI is an incremental tailwind and a defining advantage for PubMatic. It enhances advertiser performance, expands our addressable market, and increases the flow of budgets to the open internet. With adoption accelerating faster than anticipated, PubMatic is leading the next wave of innovation, helping our customers drive better outcomes through more automated, intelligent, and transparent advertising.
Speaker #3: As we enter 2026, we remain focused on our key strategic priorities: Activate adoption, DSP diversification, and accelerating growth in CTV, mobile, and emerging revenue streams.
Speaker #3: We expect these initiatives to drive double-digit year-over-year revenue growth in the second half of the year. Looking ahead, agentic AI is an incremental tailwind and a defining advantage for PubMatic.
Speaker #3: It enhances advertiser performance, expands our addressable market, and increases the flow of budgets to the open internet. With adoption accelerating faster than anticipated, PubMatic is leading the next wave of innovation, helping our customers drive better outcomes through more automated, intelligent, and transparent advertising.
Speaker #3: We have the strategy, technology, and team in place to capture the opportunities ahead and to create lasting value for our shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Steve.
Rajeev Goel: We have the strategy, technology, and team in place to capture the opportunities ahead and to create lasting value for our shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Steve.
Rajeev Goel: We have the strategy, technology, and team in place to capture the opportunities ahead and to create lasting value for our shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Steve.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Rajeev, and welcome, everyone. Q4 was a pivotal turning point for us as we significantly exceeded expectations on both revenue and adjusted EBITDA.
Steve Pantelick: Thank you, Rajeev, and welcome everyone. Q4 was a pivotal turning point for us as we significantly exceeded expectations on both revenue and adjusted EBITDA. Adjusting for political revenues and revenues derived from the legacy DSP referenced mid-last year, the remainder of our business, which represented 83% of revenue in Q4, grew 18% year-over-year. This strong double-digit growth was driven from secular growth areas: CTV, mobile app, and emerging revenues, as well as solid performance in display. These results materially expanded our Q4 adjusted EBITDA margin to 35%, underscoring the efficiency and operating leverage of our business as incremental revenue dropped to profit. Our strong Q4 capped a year in which we established ourselves as an AI leader among our peers, successfully realigned our business to address dynamic changes in our industry and position the company for sustained, profitable growth.
Steve Pantelick: Thank you, Rajeev, and welcome everyone. Q4 was a pivotal turning point for us as we significantly exceeded expectations on both revenue and adjusted EBITDA. Adjusting for political revenues and revenues derived from the legacy DSP referenced mid-last year, the remainder of our business, which represented 83% of revenue in Q4, grew 18% year-over-year. This strong double-digit growth was driven from secular growth areas: CTV, mobile app, and emerging revenues, as well as solid performance in display. These results materially expanded our Q4 adjusted EBITDA margin to 35%, underscoring the efficiency and operating leverage of our business as incremental revenue dropped to profit. Our strong Q4 capped a year in which we established ourselves as an AI leader among our peers, successfully realigned our business to address dynamic changes in our industry and position the company for sustained, profitable growth.
Speaker #2: Adjusting for political revenues and revenues derived from the legacy DSP referenced mid-last year the remainder of our business, which represented 83% of revenue in Q4, grew 18% year-over-year.
Speaker #2: This strong double-digit growth was driven from secular growth areas: CTV, mobile app, and emerging revenues, as well as solid performance in display. These results materially expanded our Q4 adjusted EBITDA margin to 35%, underscoring the efficiency and operating leverage of our business as incremental revenue dropped to profit.
Speaker #2: Our strong Q4 capped a year in which we established ourselves as an AI leader among our peers, successfully realigned our business to address dynamic changes in our industry, and positioned the company for sustained, profitable growth.
Speaker #2: Here are some of the notable achievements we delivered in 2025. We generated revenue and increased usage on our platform from newly launched AI solutions.
Steve Pantelick: Here are some of the notable achievements we delivered in 2025. We generated revenue and increased usage on our platform from newly launched AI solutions. These existing products, along with new products being launched in the coming months, provide an incremental tailwind for us in 2026. We ended the year with nearly 50% of our revenues coming from high engagement, first-party, data-rich environments of CTV, mobile app, and emerging revenues. We added 50 new DSP partnerships and reshaped the mix of our largest DSPs towards fast-growing commerce and high-value ad verticals like pharma. We increased productivity through the effective use of AI across every business function, enabling us to increase investment in revenue growth initiatives while reducing overall headcount.
Steve Pantelick: Here are some of the notable achievements we delivered in 2025. We generated revenue and increased usage on our platform from newly launched AI solutions. These existing products, along with new products being launched in the coming months, provide an incremental tailwind for us in 2026. We ended the year with nearly 50% of our revenues coming from high engagement, first-party, data-rich environments of CTV, mobile app, and emerging revenues. We added 50 new DSP partnerships and reshaped the mix of our largest DSPs towards fast-growing commerce and high-value ad verticals like pharma. We increased productivity through the effective use of AI across every business function, enabling us to increase investment in revenue growth initiatives while reducing overall headcount.
Speaker #2: These existing products, along with new products being launched in the coming months, provide an incremental tailwind for us in 2026. We ended the year with nearly 50% of our revenues coming from high engagement, first-party, data-rich environments of CTV, mobile app, and emerging revenues.
Speaker #2: We added 50 new DSP partnerships and reshaped the mix of our largest DSPs towards fast-growing, commerce, and high-value ad verticals like pharma. We increased productivity through the effective use of AI across every business function, enabling us to increase investment in revenue growth initiatives while reducing overall headcount.
Speaker #2: We accelerated our free cash flow by 32% compared to 2024. And we've made significant progress executing on our multi-year innovation roadmap, investing in key growth areas with operational discipline, supported by a strong financial profile.
Steve Pantelick: We accelerated our free cash flow by 32% compared to 2024, we've made significant progress executing on our multi-year innovation roadmap, investing in key growth areas with operational discipline, supported by a strong financial profile. I'm incredibly proud of what the team has accomplished and the momentum we're carrying into 2026. Our multi-year journey transforming our business focused on high value, high engagement, and data-driven revenue streams is on track. Beginning with CTV, our 2025 results represented the fourth year in a row of significant organic revenue growth. Over this period, CTV's compound annual growth rate has been over 50%. We now monetize inventory from 28 of the top 30 global streamers and over 450 CTV publishers. It is a global business with approximately 60% of our customers in the Americas and 40% in the rest of the world.
Steve Pantelick: We accelerated our free cash flow by 32% compared to 2024, we've made significant progress executing on our multi-year innovation roadmap, investing in key growth areas with operational discipline, supported by a strong financial profile. I'm incredibly proud of what the team has accomplished and the momentum we're carrying into 2026. Our multi-year journey transforming our business focused on high value, high engagement, and data-driven revenue streams is on track. Beginning with CTV, our 2025 results represented the fourth year in a row of significant organic revenue growth. Over this period, CTV's compound annual growth rate has been over 50%. We now monetize inventory from 28 of the top 30 global streamers and over 450 CTV publishers. It is a global business with approximately 60% of our customers in the Americas and 40% in the rest of the world.
Speaker #2: I'm incredibly proud of what the team has accomplished and the momentum we're carrying into 2026. Our multi-year journey transforming our business, focused on high-value, high-engagement, and data-driven revenue streams, is on track.
Speaker #2: Beginning with CTV, our 2025 results represented the fourth year in a row of significant organic revenue growth. Over this period, CTV's compound annual growth rate has been over 50%.
Speaker #2: We now monetize inventory from 28 of the top 30 global streamers and over 450 CTV publishers. It is a global business with approximately 60% of our customers in the Americas and 40% in the rest of the world.
Speaker #2: In Q4, we saw robust, incremental monetized impression growth from both newly signed partnerships and existing publishers. The four-year compound annual growth rate for our mobile app business has been 15%.
Steve Pantelick: In Q4, we saw robust incremental monetized impression growth from both newly signed partnerships and existing publishers. The 4-year compound annual growth rate for our mobile app business has been 15%, and in Q4 delivered over 25% year-over-year revenue growth. This performance reflects the ramp-up of strategic partnerships, ongoing product innovation, and continued expansion of our global app publisher base. Emerging revenue streams in Q4 grew over 75% year-over-year and represented roughly 12% of total revenues, driven by increased adoption across several new products. Just 3 years ago, emerging revenues represented less than 1% of revenues, demonstrating our ability to scale innovation and diversify our revenue base into high-value, profitable areas. We've achieved double-digit percentage growth across our Curation, data, Commerce, and Activate offerings. Notably, our new AI-powered solutions are already starting to scale.
Steve Pantelick: In Q4, we saw robust incremental monetized impression growth from both newly signed partnerships and existing publishers. The 4-year compound annual growth rate for our mobile app business has been 15%, and in Q4 delivered over 25% year-over-year revenue growth. This performance reflects the ramp-up of strategic partnerships, ongoing product innovation, and continued expansion of our global app publisher base. Emerging revenue streams in Q4 grew over 75% year-over-year and represented roughly 12% of total revenues, driven by increased adoption across several new products. Just 3 years ago, emerging revenues represented less than 1% of revenues, demonstrating our ability to scale innovation and diversify our revenue base into high-value, profitable areas. We've achieved double-digit percentage growth across our Curation, data, Commerce, and Activate offerings. Notably, our new AI-powered solutions are already starting to scale.
Speaker #2: And in Q4, delivered over 25% year-over-year revenue growth. This performance reflects the ramp-up of strategic partnerships, ongoing product innovation, and continued expansion of our global app publisher base.
Speaker #2: Emerging revenue streams in the fourth quarter grew over 75% year-over-year and represented roughly 12% of total revenues, driven by increased adoption across several new products.
Speaker #2: Just three years ago, emerging revenues represented less than 1% of revenues. This demonstrates our ability to scale innovation and diversify our revenue base into high-value, profitable areas.
Speaker #2: We've achieved double-digit percentage growth across our Curation, Data, Commerce, and Activate offerings. Notably, our new AI-powered solutions are already starting to scale. In just a few months, nearly 10% of publishers on our platform are now deriving revenue from our AI solutions, and generating incremental revenue for PubMatic.
Steve Pantelick: In just a few months, nearly 10% of publishers on our platform are now deriving revenue from our AI solutions and generating incremental revenue for PubMatic. We anticipate our AI solutions will provide an incremental and growing tailwind for us in 2026 and beyond. Display revenues in Q4 returned to year-over-year growth in the mid-single-digit percentages. Excluding the legacy DSP referenced earlier, display revenues grew over 20% in Q4, significantly outpacing the market rate of growth. Turning to ad spend, we benefit from a diversified portfolio of ad verticals. In Q4, we saw strong year-over-year double-digit percentage growth in the shopping, health and fitness, and technology and computing verticals. We saw some softness in the business and food and drink verticals, which declined year-over-year in the single-digit percentages. Overall, our top 10 ad verticals in aggregate grew nearly 10%.
Steve Pantelick: In just a few months, nearly 10% of publishers on our platform are now deriving revenue from our AI solutions and generating incremental revenue for PubMatic. We anticipate our AI solutions will provide an incremental and growing tailwind for us in 2026 and beyond. Display revenues in Q4 returned to year-over-year growth in the mid-single-digit percentages. Excluding the legacy DSP referenced earlier, display revenues grew over 20% in Q4, significantly outpacing the market rate of growth. Turning to ad spend, we benefit from a diversified portfolio of ad verticals. In Q4, we saw strong year-over-year double-digit percentage growth in the shopping, health and fitness, and technology and computing verticals. We saw some softness in the business and food and drink verticals, which declined year-over-year in the single-digit percentages. Overall, our top 10 ad verticals in aggregate grew nearly 10%.
Speaker #2: We anticipate our AI solutions will provide an incremental and growing tailwind for us in 2026 and beyond. Display revenues in the fourth quarter returned to year-over-year growth in the mid-single-digit percentages.
Speaker #2: Excluding the legacy DSP referenced earlier, display revenues grew over 20% in the fourth quarter, significantly outpacing the market rate of growth. Turning to ad spend, we benefit from a diversified portfolio of ad verticals.
Speaker #2: In Q4, we saw strong year-over-year double-digit percentage growth in the shopping, health and fitness, and technology and computing verticals. We saw some softness in the business and food and drink verticals, which declined year-over-year in the single-digit percentages.
Speaker #2: Overall, our top 10 ad verticals in aggregate grew nearly 10%. As Rajeev shared, we continue to expand our business beyond the largest legacy DSPs focusing on both product innovation and targeted sales execution.
Steve Pantelick: As Rajeev shared, we continue to expand our business beyond the largest legacy DSPs, focusing on both product innovation and targeted sales execution. These efforts gained momentum in Q4 with ad spend from our mid-market DSP partners up 30% year-over-year, accelerating from 25% growth in Q3. With the addition of 50 new DSP partners to our platform, we are well-positioned to further diversify our buyer mix. Regionally, our APAC and EMEA businesses grew rapidly at over 25% and 15% respectively, offsetting a -18% decline in the Americas, which was primarily due to spend declines from political advertising and a large DSP buyer. Throughout 2025, disciplined cost management and AI-enabled automation supported both growth and profitability. We significantly expanded infrastructure capacity, processing 337 trillion impressions, up 28% over 2024, while keeping cost of revenues relatively flat.
Steve Pantelick: As Rajeev shared, we continue to expand our business beyond the largest legacy DSPs, focusing on both product innovation and targeted sales execution. These efforts gained momentum in Q4 with ad spend from our mid-market DSP partners up 30% year-over-year, accelerating from 25% growth in Q3. With the addition of 50 new DSP partners to our platform, we are well-positioned to further diversify our buyer mix. Regionally, our APAC and EMEA businesses grew rapidly at over 25% and 15% respectively, offsetting a -18% decline in the Americas, which was primarily due to spend declines from political advertising and a large DSP buyer. Throughout 2025, disciplined cost management and AI-enabled automation supported both growth and profitability. We significantly expanded infrastructure capacity, processing 337 trillion impressions, up 28% over 2024, while keeping cost of revenues relatively flat.
Speaker #2: These efforts gained momentum in Q4, with ad spend from our mid-market DSP partners up 30% year-over-year, accelerating from 25% growth in Q3. With the addition of 50 new DSP partners to our platform, we are well-positioned to further diversify our biomix.
Speaker #2: Regionally, our APAC and EMEA businesses grew rapidly at over 25% and 15% respectively. Offsetting a minus 18% decline in the Americas, which was primarily due to spend declines from political advertising and the large DSP buyer.
Speaker #2: Throughout 2025, disciplined cost management and AI-enabled automation supported both growth and profitability. We significantly expanded infrastructure capacity, processing 337 trillion impressions of 28% over 2024, while keeping cost-of-revenues relatively flat.
Speaker #2: On a trailing 12-month basis, unit costs declined 20% year-over-year, demonstrating the efficiency and scalability of our owned infrastructure and the leveraged model that we built.
Steve Pantelick: On a trailing 12-month basis, unit cost declined 20% year-over-year, demonstrating the efficiency and scalability of our owned infrastructure and the leveraged model that we built. We also harnessed AI and automation across our back-office functions to derive measurable and sustainable efficiency gains. For example, in legal, the application of AI-enabled contracting tools has reduced average contract cycle times by roughly 15% while also supporting a higher overall contract volume. In accounting, we achieved over 35% efficiency gains in our procure-to-pay process, enhancing speed and control in our financial operations. In FP&A, we've significantly reduced manual data aggregation efforts by nearly one-third while maintaining analytical rigor via AI-assisted data processing and reporting. Collectively, these initiatives showcase how AI-driven automation is unlocking real productivity, cost efficiency, and operational leverage across PubMatic. Illustrating this point, in Q4, total operating expenses were flat year-over-year.
Steve Pantelick: On a trailing 12-month basis, unit cost declined 20% year-over-year, demonstrating the efficiency and scalability of our owned infrastructure and the leveraged model that we built. We also harnessed AI and automation across our back-office functions to derive measurable and sustainable efficiency gains. For example, in legal, the application of AI-enabled contracting tools has reduced average contract cycle times by roughly 15% while also supporting a higher overall contract volume. In accounting, we achieved over 35% efficiency gains in our procure-to-pay process, enhancing speed and control in our financial operations. In FP&A, we've significantly reduced manual data aggregation efforts by nearly one-third while maintaining analytical rigor via AI-assisted data processing and reporting. Collectively, these initiatives showcase how AI-driven automation is unlocking real productivity, cost efficiency, and operational leverage across PubMatic. Illustrating this point, in Q4, total operating expenses were flat year-over-year.
Speaker #2: We also harnessed AI and automation across our back-office functions to derive measurable and sustainable efficiency gains. For example, in legal, the application of AI-enabled contracting tools has reduced average contract cycle times by roughly 15%, while also supporting a higher overall contract volume.
Speaker #2: In accounting, we achieved over 35% efficiency gains in our procure-to-pay process, enhancing speed and control in our financial operations. In FP&A, we've significantly reduced manual data aggregation efforts by nearly one-third, while maintaining analytical rigor via AI-assisted data processing and reporting.
Speaker #2: Collectively, these initiatives showcase how AI-driven automation is unlocking real productivity, cost efficiency, and operational leverage across PubMatic. Illustrating this point, in the fourth quarter, total operating expenses were flat year-over-year.
Speaker #2: At the same time, we increased investments in revenue-driving initiatives, most notably our buyer-focused sales team, which increased by nearly 20% year-over-year. Q4 adjusted EBITDA was 27.8 million, or 35% margin, which included a foreign exchange impact of approximately half a million dollars due to the weakening US dollar over the quarter.
Steve Pantelick: At the same time, we increased investments in revenue-driving initiatives, most notably our buyer-focused sales team, which increased by nearly 20% year-over-year. Q4 adjusted EBITDA was $27.8 million or 35% margin, which included a foreign exchange impact of approximately half a million dollars due to the weakening US dollar over the quarter. Q4 GAAP net income was $6.7 million or $0.14 per diluted share. Moving to cash and our capital allocation. Our balance sheet remains a core strategic advantage. We generated $81 million in net operating cash flows in 2025, up 10% over 2024. We delivered free cash flow of $46 million, a 32% increase over last year. In addition to our disciplined approach in managing our working capital, cash flow benefited from lower cash taxes following the new federal tax legislation.
Steve Pantelick: At the same time, we increased investments in revenue-driving initiatives, most notably our buyer-focused sales team, which increased by nearly 20% year-over-year. Q4 adjusted EBITDA was $27.8 million or 35% margin, which included a foreign exchange impact of approximately half a million dollars due to the weakening US dollar over the quarter. Q4 GAAP net income was $6.7 million or $0.14 per diluted share. Moving to cash and our capital allocation. Our balance sheet remains a core strategic advantage. We generated $81 million in net operating cash flows in 2025, up 10% over 2024. We delivered free cash flow of $46 million, a 32% increase over last year. In addition to our disciplined approach in managing our working capital, cash flow benefited from lower cash taxes following the new federal tax legislation.
Speaker #2: Q4 GAAP net income was $6.7 million, or $0.14 per diluted share. Moving to cash and our capital allocation, our balance sheet remains a core strategic advantage.
Speaker #2: We generated 81 million in net operating cash flows in 2025, up 10% over 2024. We delivered free cash flow of 46 million, a 32% increase over last year.
Speaker #2: In addition to our disciplined approach, in managing our working capital, cash flow benefited from lower cash taxes following the new federal tax legislation. To underscore our long-term ability to generate cash, since the beginning of 2021 through Q4, we have generated over $410 million in net cash from operations, and more than $220 million in free cash flow.
Steve Pantelick: To underscore our long-term ability to generate cash, since the beginning of 2021 through Q4, we have generated over $410 million in net cash from operations and more than $220 million in free cash flow. We ended the quarter with $145.5 million in cash and 0 debt. Our capital allocation strategy remains disciplined and balanced, focused on long-term shareholder value creation. We continue to invest in innovation and infrastructure to drive incremental organic growth while maintaining the flexibility to pursue strategic M&A opportunities. We've also made a long-term commitment to return capital to shareholders via our share repurchase program. Since the inception of our repurchase program in February 2023 through the end of Q4, we have bought back 12.4 million Class A common shares for $181.1 million.
Steve Pantelick: To underscore our long-term ability to generate cash, since the beginning of 2021 through Q4, we have generated over $410 million in net cash from operations and more than $220 million in free cash flow. We ended the quarter with $145.5 million in cash and 0 debt. Our capital allocation strategy remains disciplined and balanced, focused on long-term shareholder value creation. We continue to invest in innovation and infrastructure to drive incremental organic growth while maintaining the flexibility to pursue strategic M&A opportunities. We've also made a long-term commitment to return capital to shareholders via our share repurchase program. Since the inception of our repurchase program in February 2023 through the end of Q4, we have bought back 12.4 million Class A common shares for $181.1 million.
Speaker #2: We ended the quarter with $145.5 million in cash and zero debt. Our capital allocation strategy remains disciplined and balanced, focused on long-term shareholder value creation.
Speaker #2: We continue to invest in innovation and infrastructure to drive incremental organic growth, while maintaining the flexibility to pursue strategic M&A opportunities. We've also made a long-term commitment to return capital to shareholders via our share repurchase program.
Speaker #2: Since the inception of our repurchase program in February 2023 through the end of Q4, we have bought back $12.4 million Class A common shares for $181.1 million, we have 93.9 million remaining in our repurchase program authorized through the end of 2026.
Steve Pantelick: We have $93.9 million remaining in our repurchase program authorized through the end of 2026. Moving on to our outlook. In terms of the latest trends, our January revenues came in line with our expectations and ad spending was healthy. Factoring the changes from the legacy DSP we called out mid-2025, we expect Q1 revenue to be in the range of $58 to 60 million. Spend from this DSP continues to be stable and aligned with normal seasonal patterns. We expect to lap this impact by the end of Q2. Excluding this DSP, the midpoint of our outlook implies year-over-year growth in the high single-digit percentages. Q1 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be in the range of minus one half to positive $1 million, which includes a negative foreign exchange impact due to the continued weakness of the US dollar.
Steve Pantelick: We have $93.9 million remaining in our repurchase program authorized through the end of 2026. Moving on to our outlook. In terms of the latest trends, our January revenues came in line with our expectations and ad spending was healthy. Factoring the changes from the legacy DSP we called out mid-2025, we expect Q1 revenue to be in the range of $58 to 60 million. Spend from this DSP continues to be stable and aligned with normal seasonal patterns. We expect to lap this impact by the end of Q2. Excluding this DSP, the midpoint of our outlook implies year-over-year growth in the high single-digit percentages. Q1 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be in the range of minus one half to positive $1 million, which includes a negative foreign exchange impact due to the continued weakness of the US dollar.
Speaker #2: Moving on to our outlook, in terms of the latest trends, our January revenues came in line with our expectations and ad spending was healthy.
Speaker #2: Factoring in the changes from the legacy DSP we called out mid-2025, we expect Q1 revenue to be in the range of $58 to $60 million.
Speaker #2: Spend from this DSP continues to be stable and aligned with normal seasonal patterns. We expect to lap this impact by the end of Q2.
Speaker #2: Excluding this DSP, the midpoint of our outlook implies year-over-year growth in the high single-digit percentages. Q1 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be in the range of minus one-half to positive $1 million, which includes a negative foreign exchange impact due to the continued weakness of the US dollar.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, we have a fixed cost model and margin scale as we gain leverage over the course of the year. Looking beyond Q1, we expect to return to double-digit revenue growth in the second half of this year, with a corresponding expansion of our margins from revenue growth, supported by disciplined investment and increased efficiencies from AI.
Steve Pantelick: As a reminder, we have a fixed cost model and margin scale as we gain leverage over the course of the year. Looking beyond Q1, we expect to return to double-digit revenue growth in the second half of this year, with a corresponding expansion of our margins from revenue growth supported by disciplined investment and increased efficiencies from AI. Full year cost of revenue is expected to marginally increase in the low single digits, primarily due to industry-wide utility cost pass-throughs from data center providers beginning in Q1. We anticipate partially offsetting these costs by continued efficiency efforts already underway. Full year operating expenses are expected to grow in the mid-single digit percentages and include the cost to pursue our litigation against Google. Sequentially, quarterly operating expenses are anticipated to marginally increase in the low single-digit percentages.
Steve Pantelick: As a reminder, we have a fixed cost model and margin scale as we gain leverage over the course of the year. Looking beyond Q1, we expect to return to double-digit revenue growth in the second half of this year, with a corresponding expansion of our margins from revenue growth supported by disciplined investment and increased efficiencies from AI. Full year cost of revenue is expected to marginally increase in the low single digits, primarily due to industry-wide utility cost pass-throughs from data center providers beginning in Q1. We anticipate partially offsetting these costs by continued efficiency efforts already underway. Full year operating expenses are expected to grow in the mid-single digit percentages and include the cost to pursue our litigation against Google. Sequentially, quarterly operating expenses are anticipated to marginally increase in the low single-digit percentages.
Speaker #2: Full-year cost of revenue is expected to marginally increase in the low single digits, primarily due to industry-wide utility cost pass-throughs from data center providers beginning in Q1.
Speaker #2: We anticipate partially offsetting these costs by continued efficiency efforts already underway. Full-year operating expenses are expected to grow in the mid-single-digit percentages and include the cost to pursue our litigation against Google.
Speaker #2: Sequentially, quarterly operating expenses are anticipated to marginally increase in the low single-digit percentages. We will continue to invest in high-return AI revenue initiatives, while pursuing cost savings unlocked by AI productivity efforts across all functional areas.
Steve Pantelick: We will continue to invest in high return AI revenue initiatives while pursuing cost savings unlocked by AI productivity efforts across all functional areas.
Steve Pantelick: We will continue to invest in high return AI revenue initiatives while pursuing cost savings unlocked by AI productivity efforts across all functional areas.
Speaker #2: Full-year capex is projected to be approximately $15 to $19 million, or reflects a shift away from investments for increased ad impression capacity and instead towards expanding support for AI workloads, where we're seeing strong performance gains and revenue from our AI solutions.
Rajeev Goel: Full year CapEx is projected to be approximately $15 to 19 million. It reflects a shift away from investments for increased ad impression capacity and instead towards expanding support for AI workloads, where we're seeing strong performance gains and revenue from our AI solutions. In closing, Q4 represented an important structural inflection point for PubMatic. As our secular growth engines in CTV, mobile app, and emerging revenue scale, our model generates operating leverage. In Q4, we delivered 35% adjusted EBIT margins and strong free cash flow, reinforcing the durability of our owned infrastructure and fixed cost base. As we move through 2026, three dynamics give us confidence. First, revenue growth is broadening. We are increasingly diversified across DSPs, verticals, geographies, and high engagement environments, which reduces concentration and strengthens the resilience of our model. Second, AI is not just a product catalyst, it is a financial lever.
Rajeev Goel: Full year CapEx is projected to be approximately $15 to 19 million. It reflects a shift away from investments for increased ad impression capacity and instead towards expanding support for AI workloads, where we're seeing strong performance gains and revenue from our AI solutions. In closing, Q4 represented an important structural inflection point for PubMatic. As our secular growth engines in CTV, mobile app, and emerging revenue scale, our model generates operating leverage. In Q4, we delivered 35% adjusted EBIT margins and strong free cash flow, reinforcing the durability of our owned infrastructure and fixed cost base. As we move through 2026, three dynamics give us confidence. First, revenue growth is broadening. We are increasingly diversified across DSPs, verticals, geographies, and high engagement environments, which reduces concentration and strengthens the resilience of our model. Second, AI is not just a product catalyst, it is a financial lever.
Speaker #2: In closing, Q4 represented an important structural inflection point for PubMatic. As our circular growth engines in CTV, mobile app, and emerging revenue scale, our model generates operating leverage.
Speaker #2: In Q4, we delivered 35% adjusted EBITDA margins and strong free cash flow, reinforcing the durability of our own infrastructure and fixed cost base. As we move through 2026, three dynamics give us confidence.
Speaker #2: First, revenue growth is broadening. We are increasingly diversified across DSPs, verticals, geographies, and high engagement environments, which reduces concentration and strengthens the resilience of our model.
Speaker #2: Second, AI is not just a product catalyst; it is a financial lever. We are simultaneously driving incremental revenue from AI-powered solutions, while using AI to expand margins, improve productivity, and fund growth investments.
Rajeev Goel: We are simultaneously driving incremental revenue from AI-powered solutions while using AI to expand margins, improve productivity, and fund growth investments. Few companies in our space are capturing both sides of that equation. Third, our balance sheet remains a strategic advantage. With approximately $146 million in cash and no debt, strong operating cash generation, and nearly $94 million remaining under repurchase authorization, we have the flexibility to invest, return capital, and pursue strategic opportunities, all while maintaining financial discipline. Importantly, we expect to return to double-digit revenue growth in the second half of this year, with corresponding margin expansion driven by revenue scale and AI-enabled efficiencies. We enter 2026 with a stronger revenue mix, a more efficient cost structure, and a scalable AI-enabled platform. That combination positions us to expand margins, grow cash flow, and create durable long-term shareholder value.
Rajeev Goel: We are simultaneously driving incremental revenue from AI-powered solutions while using AI to expand margins, improve productivity, and fund growth investments. Few companies in our space are capturing both sides of that equation. Third, our balance sheet remains a strategic advantage. With approximately $146 million in cash and no debt, strong operating cash generation, and nearly $94 million remaining under repurchase authorization, we have the flexibility to invest, return capital, and pursue strategic opportunities, all while maintaining financial discipline. Importantly, we expect to return to double-digit revenue growth in the second half of this year, with corresponding margin expansion driven by revenue scale and AI-enabled efficiencies. We enter 2026 with a stronger revenue mix, a more efficient cost structure, and a scalable AI-enabled platform. That combination positions us to expand margins, grow cash flow, and create durable long-term shareholder value.
Speaker #2: Few companies in our space are capturing both sides of that equation. Third, our balance sheet remains a strategic advantage. With approximately $146 million in cash and no debt, strong operating cash generation, and nearly $94 million remaining under repurchase authorization, we have the flexibility to invest, return capital, and pursue strategic opportunities, all while maintaining financial discipline.
Speaker #2: Importantly, we expect to return to double-digit revenue growth in the second half of this year, with corresponding margin expansion driven by revenue scale and AI-enabled efficiencies.
Speaker #2: We entered 2026 with a stronger revenue mix, a more efficient cost structure, and a scalable AI-enabled platform. That combination positions us to expand margins, grow cash flow, and create durable long-term shareholder value.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn the call over to Stacey for questions.
Rajeev Goel: With that, I'll turn the call over to Stacie for questions.
Rajeev Goel: With that, I'll turn the call over to Stacie for questions.
Speaker #1: Steve, as a reminder, you can ask a question by raising your hand located on the dashboard. If you're on your phone, please press star nine.
Operator: As a reminder, you can ask a question by raising your hand located on the dashboard. If you're on your phone, please press star nine. Our first question comes from Shweta Khajuria at Wolfe. Please go ahead, Shweta. Oh, there you go.
Stacie Clements: As a reminder, you can ask a question by raising your hand located on the dashboard. If you're on your phone, please press star nine. Our first question comes from Shweta Khajuria at Wolfe. Please go ahead, Shweta. Oh, there you go.
Speaker #1: Our first question comes from Shweta Kajari at Wolf. Please go ahead, Shweta. Let me make sure—oh, there you go.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Stacey.
Shweta Khajuria: Thanks, Stacy.
Shweta Khajuria: Thanks, Stacy.
Speaker #3: Hi, Shweta.
Speaker #2: I'm here with you. Hi, Steve. Hello. Could you please maybe speak to how you work with Amazon, what role Amazon plays with your partnership and in the industry as it relates to their involvement in the ad tech chain?
Rajeev Goel: Hi, Shweta.
Rajeev Goel: Hi, Shweta.
Shweta Khajuria: Hi, Rajeev. Hi, Steve. Hello. Could you please maybe speak to how you work with Amazon, what role Amazon plays with your partnership and in the industry as it relates to, you know, their involvement in the ad tech chain? Maybe that's not very well understood as we think about the supply side of it all. Thank you.
Shweta Khajuria: Hi, Rajeev. Hi, Steve. Hello. Could you please maybe speak to how you work with Amazon, what role Amazon plays with your partnership and in the industry as it relates to, you know, their involvement in the ad tech chain? Maybe that's not very well understood as we think about the supply side of it all. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Maybe that's not very well understood as we think about the supply side of it all. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Sure. Yeah. So we work with Amazon in multiple ways, and that partnership is growing and expanding as, of course, their ad business is growing.
Rajeev Goel: Sure. Yeah. We work with Amazon in multiple ways, and that partnership is growing and expanding as, of course, their ad business is growing. First of all, we're one of three SSPs in their certified supply exchange program, which was publicly announced, I think, over a year ago. The goal of that program is to foster collaboration amongst our go-to-market teams for mutual growth, in addition to from a product and technology perspective. That program has grown well. It exceeded the targets that we laid out in 2025, and we're excited about the growth opportunity for that in 2026. On the sell side, we monetize streaming inventory through our partnership with Amazon Publisher Services or APS, as well as Fire TV devices from almost a dozen different streaming apps.
Rajeev Goel: Sure. Yeah. We work with Amazon in multiple ways, and that partnership is growing and expanding as, of course, their ad business is growing. First of all, we're one of three SSPs in their certified supply exchange program, which was publicly announced, I think, over a year ago. The goal of that program is to foster collaboration amongst our go-to-market teams for mutual growth, in addition to from a product and technology perspective. That program has grown well. It exceeded the targets that we laid out in 2025, and we're excited about the growth opportunity for that in 2026. On the sell side, we monetize streaming inventory through our partnership with Amazon Publisher Services or APS, as well as Fire TV devices from almost a dozen different streaming apps.
Speaker #3: So, first of all, we're one of three SSPs in their Certified Supply Exchange program, which was publicly announced, I think, over a year ago.
Speaker #3: And the goal of that program is to foster collaboration amongst our go-to-market teams for mutual growth in addition to from a product and technology perspective.
Speaker #3: And that program has grown well. It exceeded the targets that we laid out in 2025, and we're excited about the growth opportunity for that in 2026.
Speaker #3: On the sell side, we monetize streaming inventory through our partnership with Amazon Publisher Services. We're APS. As well as Fire TV devices from almost a dozen different streaming apps.
Speaker #3: So these are CTV streamers that have apps for Amazon's Fire TV devices. We've been monetizing this inventory for multiple quarters now, a couple of years, and we do that by delivering unique PubMatic ad demand to our shared streaming publishers while also expanding the streaming inventory that's available to buyers on our platform.
Rajeev Goel: These are CTV streamers, you know, that have apps for Amazon's Fire TV devices. We've been monetizing this inventory for multiple quarters now, a couple of years, and we do that by delivering unique PubMatic ad demand to our shared streaming publishers while also expanding the streaming inventory that's available to buyers on our platform. We also monetize omni-channel inventory, so non-streaming inventory, mobile web, display, et cetera, through the wrapper, Amazon wrapper Transparent Ad Marketplace. This DSP, from a DSP perspective, they've been scaling, and they're a top five buyer on PubMatic. We've collaborated with them on a multiple different product releases, including traffic shaping in order to drive greater efficiency.
Rajeev Goel: These are CTV streamers, you know, that have apps for Amazon's Fire TV devices. We've been monetizing this inventory for multiple quarters now, a couple of years, and we do that by delivering unique PubMatic ad demand to our shared streaming publishers while also expanding the streaming inventory that's available to buyers on our platform. We also monetize omni-channel inventory, so non-streaming inventory, mobile web, display, et cetera, through the wrapper, Amazon wrapper Transparent Ad Marketplace. This DSP, from a DSP perspective, they've been scaling, and they're a top five buyer on PubMatic. We've collaborated with them on a multiple different product releases, including traffic shaping in order to drive greater efficiency.
Speaker #3: We also monetize omnichannel inventory, so non-streaming inventory, mobile web, display, et cetera, through the wrapper Amazon's wrapper, Transparent Ad Marketplace. Now, this DSP from a DSP perspective, they've been scaling, and they're a top five buyer on PubMatic.
Speaker #3: So we've collaborated with them on a multiple different product releases, including traffic shaping in order to drive greater efficiency. We've got a number of growth opportunities in the pipeline with them for 2026, and I anticipate sharing more about our relationship with them in the future.
Rajeev Goel: We've got a number of growth opportunities in the pipeline with them for 2026, and I anticipate sharing more about our relationship with them in the future.
Rajeev Goel: We've got a number of growth opportunities in the pipeline with them for 2026, and I anticipate sharing more about our relationship with them in the future.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Rajeev. Next question comes from Matt Condon at Citizens. Please go ahead, Matt.
Shweta Khajuria: Thanks, Rajiv.
Shweta Khajuria: Thanks, Rajiv.
Operator: Next question comes from Matt Condon at Citizens. Please go ahead, Matt.
Stacie Clements: Next question comes from Matt Condon at Citizens. Please go ahead, Matt.
Speaker #4: Thank you so much for taking my questions. Just one for me, but Rajeev, as you take a step back and you look at this new AI world that we live in, it seems like ad platforms really need to differentiate on either a data asset or access to unique inventory.
Matthew Condon: Thank you so much for taking my questions. Just one from me, Rajiv. As you take a step back and you look at this new AI world that we live in, it seems like ad platforms really need to differentiate on either a data asset or access to unique inventory. As you think about PubMatic, just what are the structural assets that PubMatic has that really differentiates it from other platforms?
Matthew Condon [Director Equity Research: Thank you so much for taking my questions. Just one from me, Rajiv. As you take a step back and you look at this new AI world that we live in, it seems like ad platforms really need to differentiate on either a data asset or access to unique inventory. As you think about PubMatic, just what are the structural assets that PubMatic has that really differentiates it from other platforms?
Speaker #4: As you think about PubMatic, just what are the structural assets that PubMatic has that really differentiates it from other platforms?
Speaker #3: Yeah. Thanks, Matt. So I mean, first of all, I'd just say the interest and energy around Agentic has been amazing to witness. I think we're seeing a wholesale revolution in how media is planned, transacted, and optimized.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah. Thanks, Matt. I mean, first of all, I'd just say the interest and energy around agentic has been amazing to witness. I think we're seeing a wholesale revolution in how media is planned, transacted, and optimized. While it's early, you know, we're well ahead of the curve on this. Just to kind of give a sense of where we see the opportunity, you know, I think the last 10 to 15 years of the industry have really been about real-time bidding, right? Optimizing that individual impression in real time. If we, you know, step back a little bit, we look at what's happening upstream and what's happening downstream, there's a lot of manual effort happening.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah. Thanks, Matt. I mean, first of all, I'd just say the interest and energy around agentic has been amazing to witness. I think we're seeing a wholesale revolution in how media is planned, transacted, and optimized. While it's early, you know, we're well ahead of the curve on this. Just to kind of give a sense of where we see the opportunity, you know, I think the last 10 to 15 years of the industry have really been about real-time bidding, right? Optimizing that individual impression in real time. If we, you know, step back a little bit, we look at what's happening upstream and what's happening downstream, there's a lot of manual effort happening.
Speaker #3: And while it's early, we're well ahead of the curve on this. And just to kind of give a sense of where we see the opportunity, I think the last 10 to 15 years of the industry have really been about real-time bidding, right?
Speaker #3: So optimizing that individual impression in real time. But if we step back a little bit, we look at what's happening upstream and what's happening downstream.
Speaker #3: There's a lot of manual effort happening. Discovery of inventory, planning, media plan, what inventory, what data, which users to go after, pricing, and then downstream of the actual RTB transaction, there's a lot of work to be done AI, we're in a position to automate all of those pieces, and create a lot of value for the ecosystem in the process, right?
Rajeev Goel: Discovery of inventory, planning, you know, media plan, what inventory, what data, which users to go after, you know, pricing, and then downstream of the actual RTB transaction, there's a lot of work to be done in measurement and optimization. Now with the introduction of generative AI, we're in a position to automate all of those pieces, and create a lot of value for the ecosystem in the process, right. I think this is just kind of super obvious, where we can leverage AI, and allow humans to do more value-added work, more creative work, and make advertising not only more effective, but also to make it a lot more efficient, which should grow, you know, the overall market opportunity as well as grow, our addressable market.
Rajeev Goel: Discovery of inventory, planning, you know, media plan, what inventory, what data, which users to go after, you know, pricing, and then downstream of the actual RTB transaction, there's a lot of work to be done in measurement and optimization. Now with the introduction of generative AI, we're in a position to automate all of those pieces, and create a lot of value for the ecosystem in the process, right. I think this is just kind of super obvious, where we can leverage AI, and allow humans to do more value-added work, more creative work, and make advertising not only more effective, but also to make it a lot more efficient, which should grow, you know, the overall market opportunity as well as grow, our addressable market.
Speaker #3: And I think this is just kind of super obvious. Where we can leverage AI and allow humans to do more value-added work, more creative work, and make advertising not only more effective, but also to make it a lot more efficient, which should grow the overall market opportunity as well as grow our addressable market.
Speaker #3: So I need a question about what's unique about how we're positioned? I think we are uniquely positioned to win in this arena for a few reasons.
Rajeev Goel: On your question about, you know, what's unique about how we're positioned, I think we are uniquely positioned to win in this arena for a few reasons. First is that we have a significant advantage with respect to deep customer integrations. You heard me talk about on the call, you know, several thousand publishers representing over 100,000 sites and apps. We have code, you know, on those websites, in those apps, et cetera. That's a huge network effect where a buyer can effectively access the entire open internet ecosystem on our platform. That advantage only sits on the sell side because of the yield optimization that we provide to publishers. Second, with Activate, buyers can now buy directly in our SSP, which really simplifies the end-to-end workflow in agentic communication.
Rajeev Goel: On your question about, you know, what's unique about how we're positioned, I think we are uniquely positioned to win in this arena for a few reasons. First is that we have a significant advantage with respect to deep customer integrations. You heard me talk about on the call, you know, several thousand publishers representing over 100,000 sites and apps. We have code, you know, on those websites, in those apps, et cetera. That's a huge network effect where a buyer can effectively access the entire open internet ecosystem on our platform. That advantage only sits on the sell side because of the yield optimization that we provide to publishers. Second, with Activate, buyers can now buy directly in our SSP, which really simplifies the end-to-end workflow in agentic communication.
Speaker #3: So first is that we have a significant advantage with respect to deep customer integrations. So you heard me talk about on the call, several thousand publishers representing over 100,000 sites and apps.
Speaker #3: So we have code. On those websites, in those apps, et cetera, that's a huge network effect, where a buyer can effectively access the entire open internet ecosystem on our platform.
Speaker #3: And that advantage only sits on the sell side because of the yield optimization that we provide to publishers. Second, with Activate, buyers can now buy directly in our SSP, which really simplifies the end-to-end workflow in Agentic communication.
Speaker #3: And this is, I think, really critical because we are not in a position where we have to wait for standards to emerge so that sell-side tech and buy-side tech can communicate in a standardized protocol.
Rajeev Goel: This is, I think, really critical because we are not in a position where we have to wait for standards to emerge so that sell-side tech and buy-side tech can communicate, you know, in a standardized protocol. Because we have Activate, which is direct buying in our SSP, we're free to innovate, beyond, you know, any standards, we can move a lot more quickly. Third is that we've launched AgenticOS to provide Ad Context Protocol or AdCP enabled access to all of the core use cases on our platform and in the ecosystem. We think we're well ahead of where the market is with AgenticOS. Fourth, we have purpose-built AI infrastructure.
Rajeev Goel: This is, I think, really critical because we are not in a position where we have to wait for standards to emerge so that sell-side tech and buy-side tech can communicate, you know, in a standardized protocol. Because we have Activate, which is direct buying in our SSP, we're free to innovate, beyond, you know, any standards, we can move a lot more quickly. Third is that we've launched AgenticOS to provide Ad Context Protocol or AdCP enabled access to all of the core use cases on our platform and in the ecosystem. We think we're well ahead of where the market is with AgenticOS. Fourth, we have purpose-built AI infrastructure.
Speaker #3: Because we have Activate, which is direct buying in our SSP, we're free to innovate beyond any standards. And so we can move a lot more quickly.
Speaker #3: Third is that we've launched Agentic OS to provide model context protocol, or MCP, enabled access to all of the core use cases on our platform and in the ecosystem.
Speaker #3: And we think we're well ahead of where the market is with Agentic OS. And then fourth, we have purpose-built AI infrastructure. So we have own and operated infrastructure, which we've partnered with NVIDIA on.
Rajeev Goel: We have owned and operated infrastructure, which we've partnered with NVIDIA on, and that enables us to run next gen AI models in a customized hardware and software stack. Finally, we have not only the data from our publisher base, but also 250 data partners in our Connect data platform providing first, you know, very rich first-party data and commerce data, and the like. When you know, when you put all of that together, you know, that's why we're in the position we're in, where we've gone from the first campaign in December to over 250 Agentic campaigns being run in a, you know, very short period of time.
Rajeev Goel: We have owned and operated infrastructure, which we've partnered with NVIDIA on, and that enables us to run next gen AI models in a customized hardware and software stack. Finally, we have not only the data from our publisher base, but also 250 data partners in our Connect data platform providing first, you know, very rich first-party data and commerce data, and the like. When you know, when you put all of that together, you know, that's why we're in the position we're in, where we've gone from the first campaign in December to over 250 Agentic campaigns being run in a, you know, very short period of time.
Speaker #3: And that enables us to run next-gen AI models in a customized hardware and software stack. And then finally, we have not only the data from our publisher base, but also 250 data partners in our Connect Data platform, providing first very rich first-party data and commerce data.
Speaker #3: And the like. So when you put all of that together, that's why we're in the position we're in, where we've gone from the first campaign in December to over 250 Agentic campaigns being run in a very short period of time.
Speaker #3: I also want to just close by saying this is not something that can be vibe-coded by three guys with an LLM subscription, right? Even if you could recreate the application software overnight, vibe-coded software is not going to be tuned for high volume of transactions, for high concurrency, for low latency.
Rajeev Goel: I also want to just close by saying, you know, this is not something that can be vibe-coded by, you know, 3 guys with an LLM subscription, right? Even if you could recreate the application software overnight, you know, vibe-coded software, is not going to be tuned for high volume of transactions, for high concurrency, for low latency, for, you know, efficient memory consumption, efficient storage. You need customized infrastructure, you know, for these advertising workloads, which has been built on, you know, $100 million plus of CapEx. You need integrations with, you know, thousands of publishers and buyers around the world. You need commercial contracts in place, payment flows. We think we're in a really strong position to lead this revolution, which is much more than just technology.
Rajeev Goel: I also want to just close by saying, you know, this is not something that can be vibe-coded by, you know, 3 guys with an LLM subscription, right? Even if you could recreate the application software overnight, you know, vibe-coded software, is not going to be tuned for high volume of transactions, for high concurrency, for low latency, for, you know, efficient memory consumption, efficient storage. You need customized infrastructure, you know, for these advertising workloads, which has been built on, you know, $100 million plus of CapEx. You need integrations with, you know, thousands of publishers and buyers around the world. You need commercial contracts in place, payment flows. We think we're in a really strong position to lead this revolution, which is much more than just technology.
Speaker #3: For efficient memory consumption, efficient storage, you need customized infrastructure for these advertising workloads, which has been built on 100 million plus of capex. You need integrations with thousands of publishers and buyers around the world.
Speaker #3: You need commercial contracts in place, payment flows. So we think we're in a really strong position to lead this revolution, which is much more than just technology.
Speaker #3: It's really something that's going to upend the entire value chain of the ecosystem.
Rajeev Goel: It's really something that's gonna upend the entire value chain of the ecosystem.
Rajeev Goel: It's really something that's gonna upend the entire value chain of the ecosystem.
Speaker #4: That's very helpful. Thank you, Rajeev.
[Analyst] (Rosenblatt Securities): That's very helpful. Thank you, Rajeev. Question comes from Barton Crockett at Rosenblatt.
Matthew Condon [Director Equity Research: That's very helpful. Thank you, Rajeev.
Speaker #1: Question comes from Barton Crockett at Rosenblatt.
Stacie Clements: Question comes from Barton Crockett at Rosenblatt.
Speaker #5: Thanks for taking the question. I was curious, Rajeev, when you gave your outlook about 28 and 2030, I think 25, 50 percent. Volume being Agentic.
Barton Crockett: Thanks for taking the question. I was curious, Rajeev, when you gave your outlook about 28 and 2030, I think you know, 25, 50%.
Barton Crockett: Thanks for taking the question. I was curious, Rajeev, when you gave your outlook about 28 and 2030, I think you know, 25, 50%.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah
Rajeev Goel: Yeah
Barton Crockett: ... volume being agentic. When you say volume agentic, do you envision this working like with Butler Till, where it would be entered through an LLM like Grok straight to you guys, and in that way maybe streamlining the industry a bit, lowering fees and, you know, perhaps losing a DSP in the process?
Barton Crockett: ... volume being agentic. When you say volume agentic, do you envision this working like with Butler Till, where it would be entered through an LLM like Grok straight to you guys, and in that way maybe streamlining the industry a bit, lowering fees and, you know, perhaps losing a DSP in the process?
Speaker #5: Is that when you say volume Agentic, do you envision this working like what Butler Till, where it would be entered through an LLM, like Claude, straight to you guys?
Speaker #5: And in that way, maybe streamlining the industry a bit, lowering fees, and perhaps losing a DSP in the process?
Speaker #3: Yeah, so I think it could happen in a variety of different ways, Barton. And to be clear, we're quite early, right, in this kind of opportunity.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah. I think it could happen in a variety of different ways, Barton. You know, to be clear, we're quite early, right, in this kind of opportunity and revolution here. It could be through LLMs. It could be through buyer agents, so specialized agents, that, you know, various tech companies are building or launching into the ecosystem. It could also be, you know, directly through our platform. It could be through an agent that a DSP builds. I think all of those are opportunities.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah. I think it could happen in a variety of different ways, Barton. You know, to be clear, we're quite early, right, in this kind of opportunity and revolution here. It could be through LLMs. It could be through buyer agents, so specialized agents, that, you know, various tech companies are building or launching into the ecosystem. It could also be, you know, directly through our platform. It could be through an agent that a DSP builds. I think all of those are opportunities.
Speaker #3: And revolution here. So, it could be through LLMs. It could be through buyer agents, so specialized agents that various tech companies are building or launching.
Speaker #3: Into the ecosystem. It could also be directly through our platform. It could be through an agent that a DSP builds. So I think all of those are opportunities.
Speaker #3: I do think that with Agentic OS and Activate, bidding directly within our SSP, we are creating more value and adding more value across the ecosystem.
Rajeev Goel: I do think that with AgenticOS and Activate, bidding directly within our SSP, we are creating more value and adding more value across the ecosystem, and I expect us to participate in that with increased revenue from those transactions, even at the same time as we're reducing the cost to transact advertising. I see a really strong dual benefit on both the top line and the bottom line.
Rajeev Goel: I do think that with AgenticOS and Activate, bidding directly within our SSP, we are creating more value and adding more value across the ecosystem, and I expect us to participate in that with increased revenue from those transactions, even at the same time as we're reducing the cost to transact advertising. I see a really strong dual benefit on both the top line and the bottom line.
Speaker #3: And I expect us to participate in that with increased revenue from those transactions. Even at the same time as we're reducing the cost to transact advertising.
Speaker #3: So I see a really strong dual benefit on both the top line and the bottom line.
Speaker #5: Okay. But just to follow up, I mean, is it your vision that AI over time streamlines and reduces fees in open internet? Is that basically your kind of base case of what happens?
Barton Crockett: Okay. you know, just to follow up, I mean, is it your vision that AI over time streamlines and reduces fees in open internet? you know, is that basically your kind of base case of what happens, and you're just trying to position to be the player within that?
Barton Crockett: Okay. you know, just to follow up, I mean, is it your vision that AI over time streamlines and reduces fees in open internet? you know, is that basically your kind of base case of what happens, and you're just trying to position to be the player within that?
Speaker #5: And you're just trying to position to be the player within that.
Speaker #3: Yeah. That is right. So I do think, as I mentioned earlier, this is going to be not just technology, but a value chain disruptor.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah. That is right. I do think, you know, as I mentioned earlier, this is gonna be not just technology, but a value chain disruptor. By that, what I mean is the supply side and the buy side, I believe are gonna come much closer together. Activate is a great example of that, where a buyer can buy directly in our SSP. Of course, they can continue to choose to work with, you know, any of 150-ish DSPs that are integrated into our platform. I do think that we can create efficiency in the ecosystem. Part of that is operational overhead, you know, of people and systems, and part of that can absolutely be fee efficiency.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah. That is right. I do think, you know, as I mentioned earlier, this is gonna be not just technology, but a value chain disruptor. By that, what I mean is the supply side and the buy side, I believe are gonna come much closer together. Activate is a great example of that, where a buyer can buy directly in our SSP. Of course, they can continue to choose to work with, you know, any of 150-ish DSPs that are integrated into our platform. I do think that we can create efficiency in the ecosystem. Part of that is operational overhead, you know, of people and systems, and part of that can absolutely be fee efficiency.
Speaker #3: And by that, what I mean is the supply side and the buy side, I believe, are going to come much closer together. And Activate is a great example of that, where a buyer can buy directly in our SSP.
Speaker #3: Of course, they can continue to choose to work with any of 150-ish DSPs that are integrated into our platform. So I do think that we can create efficiency in the ecosystem.
Speaker #3: Part of that is operational overhead. Of people and systems. And part of that can absolutely be fee efficiency. And it's probably natural to expect that as any industry scales up, including digital advertising, there should be more and more fee efficiency built over time.
Rajeev Goel: It's probably natural to expect that, as any industry scales up, including digital advertising, there should be, you know, more and more fee efficiency built over time.
Rajeev Goel: It's probably natural to expect that, as any industry scales up, including digital advertising, there should be, you know, more and more fee efficiency built over time.
Speaker #5: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Barton Crockett: Okay, great. Thank you.
Barton Crockett: Okay, great. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Next question comes from Rob Culbreth at Evercore.
Rob Culbreth: Question comes from Rob Culbreth at Evercore.
Stacie Clements: Question comes from Rob Culbreth at Evercore.
Speaker #6: Hey, guys. Can you hear me?
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Speaker #3: Yes. Hey, Rob.
Speaker #6: Awesome. Thanks for the opportunity to ask the question. Rajeev, just want to ask you so the 5X cost improvement and campaign execution that you talked about resulting in increase in working media dollars.
Rajeev Goel: Yes.
Rajeev Goel: Yes.
Rob Culbreth: Yes.
Rob Culbreth: Yes.
Rajeev Goel: Hey, Rob.
Rajeev Goel: Hey, Rob.
Steve Pantelick: Awesome. Thanks for the opportunity to ask a question. Rajeev, just wanna ask you that so the 5x cost improvement and campaign execution that you talked about resulting increase in working media dollars, is that by elimination of supply chain hops? Is it with DSP or is there anything more you could tell us about that?
Rob Culbreth: Awesome. Thanks for the opportunity to ask a question. Rajeev, just wanna ask you that so the 5x cost improvement and campaign execution that you talked about resulting increase in working media dollars, is that by elimination of supply chain hops? Is it with DSP or is there anything more you could tell us about that?
Speaker #6: So is that by elimination of the supply chain hops, specifically the DSP? Or is there anything more you could tell us about that? And then just taking another step back, I think there's sort of dual or maybe competing visions.
Rajeev Goel: Sure.
Rajeev Goel: Sure.
Steve Pantelick: Just, you know, taking another step back, I think, you know, there's, you know, sort of dual or maybe competing visions or maybe there's multiple visions of agentic. You know, one where it sort of sits on top of existing programmatic infrastructure, one where it potentially displaces it, where you could have more sort of, you know, federated model of, you know. You know, there could be a thousand walled gardens effectively, if you will. Just wondering, you know, why maybe one or the other might win out. Do you have ultimately a preference? You know, I suppose you guys can be the, you know, the one powering the, you know, the thousand walled gardens. Just any thoughts on how this ultimately plays out?
Rob Culbreth: Just, you know, taking another step back, I think, you know, there's, you know, sort of dual or maybe competing visions or maybe there's multiple visions of agentic. You know, one where it sort of sits on top of existing programmatic infrastructure, one where it potentially displaces it, where you could have more sort of, you know, federated model of, you know. You know, there could be a thousand walled gardens effectively, if you will. Just wondering, you know, why maybe one or the other might win out. Do you have ultimately a preference? You know, I suppose you guys can be the, you know, the one powering the, you know, the thousand walled gardens. Just any thoughts on how this ultimately plays out?
Speaker #6: Or maybe there's multiple visions of Agentic. One where it sort of sits on top of existing programmatic infrastructure. One where potentially displaces it, where you could have more sort of federated model of there could be 1,000 walled ed gardens, effectively, if you will.
Speaker #6: So just wondering why maybe one or the other might win out. Do you have ultimately a preference? I suppose you guys could be the one powering the 1,000 walled garden.
Speaker #6: So just any thoughts on how this ultimately plays out? Does Agentic going to make the programmatic world more centralized, more federated over time?
Steve Pantelick: Is agentic gonna make the programmatic world more centralized or more and more federated over time?
Rob Culbreth: Is agentic gonna make the programmatic world more centralized or more and more federated over time?
Speaker #3: Sure. Yeah. So just on the first part of that question, so the 5X cost efficiency it's looking at the entire cost to execute a campaign, right?
Rajeev Goel: Sure. Yeah. Just on the first part of that question, the 5x cost efficiency, it's looking at the entire cost to execute a campaign, right? Pre-Agentic, there's a lot more manual activity involved, as I talked about earlier, in terms of campaign setup, and then in-flight, you know, optimization, post-campaign measurement. There's of course, multiple technology partners in the mix with fees kind of pre-using the Agentic approach with us. Post, we look at, okay, how much manual activity came out of that process, how many, you know, third parties were eliminated, and look at that efficiency as a percentage of the total media campaign, that's where we get the 5x cost efficiency.
Rajeev Goel: Sure. Yeah. Just on the first part of that question, the 5x cost efficiency, it's looking at the entire cost to execute a campaign, right? Pre-Agentic, there's a lot more manual activity involved, as I talked about earlier, in terms of campaign setup, and then in-flight, you know, optimization, post-campaign measurement. There's of course, multiple technology partners in the mix with fees kind of pre-using the Agentic approach with us. Post, we look at, okay, how much manual activity came out of that process, how many, you know, third parties were eliminated, and look at that efficiency as a percentage of the total media campaign, that's where we get the 5x cost efficiency.
Speaker #3: And so pre-Agentic, there's a lot more manual activity involved, as I talked about earlier, in terms of campaign setup. And then in flight, optimization, post-campaign measurement.
Speaker #3: And then there's, of course, multiple technology partners in the mix, with fees kind of pre-using the Agentic approach with us. And then post, we look at, okay, how much manual activity came out of that process?
Speaker #3: How many third parties were eliminated? And look at that efficiency as a percentage of the total media campaign. And that's where we get the 5X cost efficiency.
Speaker #3: So these are pretty substantial. And what leads to is that performance in the open internet when transacted Agentically can be much stronger than what it is today.
Rajeev Goel: These are, you know, pretty substantial, and what it leads to is that performance in the open internet when transacted agentically can be much stronger than what it is today, and I think that can be a big driver of total addressable market and of the market that we're going after. On the second part of your question, you know, yeah, I would say, like, maybe a month or two ago, I heard a lot of conversation about, you know, is AdCP or agentic going to replace programmatic or real, you know, real-time bidding? I definitely do not see that.
Rajeev Goel: These are, you know, pretty substantial, and what it leads to is that performance in the open internet when transacted agentically can be much stronger than what it is today, and I think that can be a big driver of total addressable market and of the market that we're going after. On the second part of your question, you know, yeah, I would say, like, maybe a month or two ago, I heard a lot of conversation about, you know, is AdCP or agentic going to replace programmatic or real, you know, real-time bidding? I definitely do not see that.
Speaker #3: And I think that's can be a big driver of total addressable market. And of the market that we're going after. On the second part of your question, yeah, I would say maybe a month or two ago, I heard a lot of conversation about is ad CP or Agentic going to replace programmatic or real-time bidding?
Speaker #3: I definitely do not see that. I see what's happening with Agentic capabilities and what we're building with customers to be complementary meaning a lot of this work is being done on top of programmatic pipes.
Rajeev Goel: I see what's happening with agentic capabilities and, you know, what we're building with customers to be complementary. Meaning, a lot of this work is being done on top of programmatic pipes, where ultimately transactions do need to be bidded in real time, and AI is just not at a place where it can deliver at the low latency and high throughput that is needed. I very much see this as bringing a lot more volume into our platform.
Rajeev Goel: I see what's happening with agentic capabilities and, you know, what we're building with customers to be complementary. Meaning, a lot of this work is being done on top of programmatic pipes, where ultimately transactions do need to be bidded in real time, and AI is just not at a place where it can deliver at the low latency and high throughput that is needed. I very much see this as bringing a lot more volume into our platform.
Speaker #3: Where ultimately, transactions do need to be bidded in real time. And AI is just not at a place where it can deliver at the low latency and high throughput that is needed and so I very much see this as bringing a lot more volume into our platform.
Speaker #6: Great. Steve, just to ask you a quick follow-up. Just versus the forecast, wanted to maybe ask if you could take us through the top couple of drivers upside in the quarter from your perspective.
Steve Pantelick: Great. Steve, just to ask you a quick follow-up. Just versus the forecast, why don't you maybe ask if you could take us through the top couple of drivers outside in the quarter from your perspective, any key verticals, demand platforms, supply platforms that they have out performed? Thanks.
Rob Culbreth: Great. Steve, just to ask you a quick follow-up. Just versus the forecast, why don't you maybe ask if you could take us through the top couple of drivers outside in the quarter from your perspective, any key verticals, demand platforms, supply platforms that they have out performed? Thanks.
Speaker #6: Any key verticals, demand platform, supply platforms that they have out before? Thanks.
Speaker #3: Sure. Yeah. No. Obviously, we're very pleased with our Q4 outcome. We exceeded our expectations by a significant amount. And the good news is that it was all driven by areas that we've been investing in and innovating to see key secular growth areas.
Rob Culbreth: Sure.
Steve Pantelick: Sure.
Steve Pantelick: Yeah, no, obviously we're very pleased with our Q4 outcome. You know, we exceeded our expectations by a significant amount. The good news is that it was all driven by areas that we've been investing in innovating, you know, to see key secular growth areas. We saw strong growth in emerging revenues, which grew over 75% in Q4 year-over-year. We saw mobile app accelerate to 25% growth, and we saw CTV continue to perform double-digit rates. From our perspective, you know, we had all the key areas that we've been investing, innovating around, deliver, you know, above expectations. At the same time, you know, we also saw stability in the DSP change that we called out mid last year.
Steve Pantelick: Yeah, no, obviously we're very pleased with our Q4 outcome. You know, we exceeded our expectations by a significant amount. The good news is that it was all driven by areas that we've been investing in innovating, you know, to see key secular growth areas. We saw strong growth in emerging revenues, which grew over 75% in Q4 year-over-year. We saw mobile app accelerate to 25% growth, and we saw CTV continue to perform double-digit rates. From our perspective, you know, we had all the key areas that we've been investing, innovating around, deliver, you know, above expectations. At the same time, you know, we also saw stability in the DSP change that we called out mid last year.
Speaker #3: So we saw strong growth in emerging revenues, which grew over 75% in the fourth quarter, year over year. We saw mobile app accelerate to 25% growth.
Speaker #3: And we saw CTV continue to perform, double-digit rates. And so from our perspective, we had all the key areas that we've been investing in, innovating around, deliver above expectations.
Speaker #3: At the same time, we also saw stability in the DSP change that we called out mid-last year. So that was stable. And was a net neutral to positive.
Steve Pantelick: That was stable and, you know, was a net neutral to positive. Importantly, you know, I think when you step back and think about what we've done as a business, we've been transforming our business over the last couple of years. The Q4 really distilled down all of those key trends and sort of laid down the foundation. You know, we, as Rajeev called out, we've diversified our DSPs in the mid-market, feel really good about the outcome in terms of exceeding expectations and the set up for 2026.
Steve Pantelick: That was stable and, you know, was a net neutral to positive. Importantly, you know, I think when you step back and think about what we've done as a business, we've been transforming our business over the last couple of years. The Q4 really distilled down all of those key trends and sort of laid down the foundation. You know, we, as Rajeev called out, we've diversified our DSPs in the mid-market, feel really good about the outcome in terms of exceeding expectations and the set up for 2026.
Speaker #3: And then importantly, I think when you step back and think about what we've done as a business, we've been transforming our business over the last couple of years.
Speaker #3: And so the fourth quarter really distilled down all of those key trends and sort of laid down the foundation. We, as Rajeev called out, we've diversified our DSPs in the mid-market.
Speaker #3: And so feel really good about the outcome in terms of exceeding expectations and the setup for 2026. Now, with respect to particular ad verticals, I called out there were a couple.
Steve Pantelick: Now, with respect to particular ad verticals, you know, I called out there were a couple. You know, shopping, for example, was robust in Q4, and there was overall, you know, pretty healthy ad spend. I think it speaks to stability in the ad ecosystem, and that's our expectations in 2026, that that's gonna continue. Great. Thanks so much.
Steve Pantelick: Now, with respect to particular ad verticals, you know, I called out there were a couple. You know, shopping, for example, was robust in Q4, and there was overall, you know, pretty healthy ad spend. I think it speaks to stability in the ad ecosystem, and that's our expectations in 2026, that that's gonna continue. Great.
Speaker #3: Shopping, for example, was robust in the fourth quarter. And there was overall pretty healthy ad spend. So I think it speaks to stability in the ad ecosystem and that's our expectations in 2026 that that's going to continue.
Speaker #6: Great. Thanks so much.
Rob Culbreth: Thanks so much.
Speaker #1: Next question comes from Matt Swanson, RBC. Please go ahead, Matt.
Rob Culbreth: The next question comes from Matt Swanson at RBC. Please go ahead, Matt.
Stacie Clements: The next question comes from Matt Swanson at RBC. Please go ahead, Matt.
Speaker #7: Great. Thank you, Ed, for taking my question. Going back to what you were just talking about, Steve, but the question might be a little more for Rajeev.
Matt Swanson: Great. Thank you. Thank you guys for taking my question. Going back to what you were just talking about, Steve, but the question might be a little more for Rajeev, but just that DSP diversification. I mean, first of all, congratulations, 'cause I had no idea there were that many DSPs in the world that you're now working with. Could you just talk a little bit more after these last two years, kind of how much of a renewed point of emphasis that is within your company to make sure that, you know, you control everything that you can control and not get overly set on one or two large providers?
Matt Swanson: Great. Thank you. Thank you guys for taking my question. Going back to what you were just talking about, Steve, but the question might be a little more for Rajeev, but just that DSP diversification. I mean, first of all, congratulations, 'cause I had no idea there were that many DSPs in the world that you're now working with. Could you just talk a little bit more after these last two years, kind of how much of a renewed point of emphasis that is within your company to make sure that, you know, you control everything that you can control and not get overly set on one or two large providers?
Speaker #7: But just that DSP diversification, I mean, first of all, congratulations. Because I had no idea there were that many DSPs in the world that you're now working with.
Speaker #7: But could you just talk a little bit more after these last two years? Kind of how much of a renewed point of emphasis that is within your company to make sure that you control everything that you can control and not get overly set on one or two large providers?
Speaker #3: Yeah. Sure. Let me kick that off. And then, Steve, I'll hand it over to you. So I think this is an exciting growth area for us.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah, sure. Let me kick that off, and then Steve, I'll hand it over to you. You know, I think this is an exciting growth area for us, and we've made tremendous headway in expanding our, you know, our DSP mix. I think if we go back and consider the industry from a couple of years ago through the preceding five to seven years, it was very much characterized by DSP consolidation. You know, a couple of DSPs, you know, emerged as winners and consolidators. Now what we've seen is something very different, where in the last couple of years, I think as the industry has continued to fragment, we've seen, you know, depth in a lot of new verticals, retail media, you know, pharma, for instance. We've seen new formats like CTV streaming, et cetera, come into the mix.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah, sure. Let me kick that off, and then Steve, I'll hand it over to you. You know, I think this is an exciting growth area for us, and we've made tremendous headway in expanding our, you know, our DSP mix. I think if we go back and consider the industry from a couple of years ago through the preceding five to seven years, it was very much characterized by DSP consolidation. You know, a couple of DSPs, you know, emerged as winners and consolidators. Now what we've seen is something very different, where in the last couple of years, I think as the industry has continued to fragment, we've seen, you know, depth in a lot of new verticals, retail media, you know, pharma, for instance. We've seen new formats like CTV streaming, et cetera, come into the mix.
Speaker #3: And we've made tremendous headway in expanding our DSP mix. And I think if we go back and consider the industry from a couple of years ago through the preceding five to seven years, it was very much characterized by DSP consolidation.
Speaker #3: A couple of DSPs merged as winners and consolidators. But now what we've seen is something very different where in the last couple of years, I think as the industry has continued to fragment, we've seen depth in a lot of new verticals, retail media, pharma, for instance.
Speaker #3: We've seen new formats like CTV streaming, et cetera. Come into the mix. There are many more specialists DSPs that are out there. And I think it probably also reflects a much bigger broadening of the number of advertisers, many in the mid-market, whether it's upper, middle, lower, that have very different and diverse needs than the head of the market, the top 250 or top 500 advertisers have had.
Rajeev Goel: There are many more specialist DSPs that are out there. I think it probably also reflects a much bigger broadening of the number of advertisers, you know, many in the mid-market, whether it's upper, you know, middle, lower, that have very different and diverse needs than the head of the market, you know, the top 250 or top 500 advertisers have had. That's creating a lot of opportunity, and, you know, we have a really robust roadmap going after this group of DSPs, because we see, A, there's a lot of growth potential, and then B, you know, strategically, it's very good for us from a diversification perspective. Let me turn it over to Steve as well.
Rajeev Goel: There are many more specialist DSPs that are out there. I think it probably also reflects a much bigger broadening of the number of advertisers, you know, many in the mid-market, whether it's upper, you know, middle, lower, that have very different and diverse needs than the head of the market, you know, the top 250 or top 500 advertisers have had. That's creating a lot of opportunity, and, you know, we have a really robust roadmap going after this group of DSPs, because we see, A, there's a lot of growth potential, and then B, you know, strategically, it's very good for us from a diversification perspective. Let me turn it over to Steve as well.
Speaker #3: And so that's creating a lot of opportunity and we have a really robust roadmap going after this group of DSPs. Because we see, A, there's a lot of growth potential.
Speaker #3: And then, B, strategically, it's very good for us from a diversification perspective. Let me turn it over to Steve as well.
Speaker #6: Sure. Matt, I think you hit the nail on the head when you commented on folks, what we can control. And so Rajeev called out some of the key drivers of that.
Steve Pantelick: Sure. You know, Matt, I think, you hit the nail on the head when you comment on, you know, focusing on what we can control. Rajeev called out, you know, some of the key drivers of that, you know, identifying where the opportunities are. We had tremendous results in 2025, adding 50 more DSPs. That's a function of focus and, you know, making sure that we go after the right DSPs and then innovating around them. What allowed us to do that is our continued focus on efficiency, and we've actually put more resources into the sales area, you know, focused on advertisers, you know, DSP buyers, to really take advantage of the trends that Rajeev just described. We continue to control what we can control. We're investing in areas where we see upside.
Steve Pantelick: Sure. You know, Matt, I think, you hit the nail on the head when you comment on, you know, focusing on what we can control. Rajeev called out, you know, some of the key drivers of that, you know, identifying where the opportunities are. We had tremendous results in 2025, adding 50 more DSPs. That's a function of focus and, you know, making sure that we go after the right DSPs and then innovating around them. What allowed us to do that is our continued focus on efficiency, and we've actually put more resources into the sales area, you know, focused on advertisers, you know, DSP buyers, to really take advantage of the trends that Rajeev just described. We continue to control what we can control. We're investing in areas where we see upside.
Speaker #6: Identifying where the opportunities are. We had tremendous results in '25, adding 50 more DSPs. And that's a function of focus and making sure that we go after the right DSPs.
Speaker #6: And then innovating around them. And what allowed us to do that is our continued focus on efficiency and we've actually put more resources into the sales area, focused on advertisers, DSP buyers, to really take advantage of the trends that Rajeev just described.
Speaker #6: So we continue to control what we can control. We're investing in areas where we see upside. And then you are starting to see the outcome of that with improved diversification, I called out the stat that the mid-market DSPs that we've been spending more time with accelerated growth in the fourth quarter to over 30% year over year.
Steve Pantelick: You are starting to see the outcome of that, you know, with, you know, improved diversification. You know, I called out the stat that, you know, the mid-market, DSPs that we've been spending more time with accelerated growth in Q4 to over 30% year-over-year. From our perspective, this is a multi-quarter, you know, longer term process, but we are, you know, we believe we're doing exactly the right things to diversify our overall buying base.
Steve Pantelick: You are starting to see the outcome of that, you know, with, you know, improved diversification. You know, I called out the stat that, you know, the mid-market, DSPs that we've been spending more time with accelerated growth in Q4 to over 30% year-over-year. From our perspective, this is a multi-quarter, you know, longer term process, but we are, you know, we believe we're doing exactly the right things to diversify our overall buying base.
Speaker #6: So from our perspective, this is a multi-quarter longer-term process. But we are we believe we're doing exactly the right things to diversify our overall buying base.
Speaker #7: Yeah, that's super helpful. I mean, so we've gone over a lot of company-specific positives for both the quarter and kind of playing out through 2026.
Matt Swanson: Yeah, that's super helpful. I mean, we've gone over a lot of company-specific positives for both the quarter and kind of playing out through 2026, and you've talked about the DSP headwind diminishing somewhat and starting to improve. Could you just talk a little bit more about what goes into that Q1 guidance? Obviously a beat and raise quarter, but still from a year-over-year perspective, down a bit. Just is there still DSP headwinds, macro, just kind of how you're thinking through that, Steve?
Matt Swanson: Yeah, that's super helpful. I mean, we've gone over a lot of company-specific positives for both the quarter and kind of playing out through 2026, and you've talked about the DSP headwind diminishing somewhat and starting to improve. Could you just talk a little bit more about what goes into that Q1 guidance? Obviously a beat and raise quarter, but still from a year-over-year perspective, down a bit. Just is there still DSP headwinds, macro, just kind of how you're thinking through that, Steve?
Speaker #7: And you’ve talked about the DSP headwind diminishing somewhat and starting to improve. Could you just talk a little bit more about what goes into that Q1 guidance?
Speaker #7: Obviously, a beat-and-race quarter. But still from a year-over-year perspective, down a bit. So just is there still DSP headwinds, macro? Just kind of how you're thinking through that, Steve.
Speaker #6: Sure. Absolutely. The big headwind that we're working through is what we called out mid-last year is the large legacy DSP. And one of the stats that I shared was if you for the fourth quarter, if you adjust for that DSP as well as political, which was a big factor in the fourth quarter of '24, we grew 18%, which is well above market growth rates.
Steve Pantelick: Sure. You know, absolutely. The big headwind that we're working through is what we called out mid last year is the large legacy DSP. You know, one of the stats that I shared was if you know, for Q4, if you adjust for that DSP, as well as political, which was a big factor in Q4 2024, we grew 18%, which is well above market growth rates. You can see the impact that that DSP headwind had on us. With respect to the guidance, making that same adjustment, obviously political is not a factor, so just adjusting for the DSP, you know, our expectation is the midpoint of our guidance is in the high single digits.
Steve Pantelick: Sure. You know, absolutely. The big headwind that we're working through is what we called out mid last year is the large legacy DSP. You know, one of the stats that I shared was if you know, for Q4, if you adjust for that DSP, as well as political, which was a big factor in Q4 2024, we grew 18%, which is well above market growth rates. You can see the impact that that DSP headwind had on us. With respect to the guidance, making that same adjustment, obviously political is not a factor, so just adjusting for the DSP, you know, our expectation is the midpoint of our guidance is in the high single digits.
Speaker #6: And so you can see the impact that that DSP headwind had on us. Now, with respect to the guidance, making that same adjustment obviously political is not a factor.
Speaker #6: So just adjusting for the DSP, our expectation is the midpoint of our guidance is in the high single digits. So from our perspective, clearly on track in terms of getting back to growth.
Steve Pantelick: From our perspective, clearly on track in terms of getting back to growth. By, you know, mid-year, we will have lapped that impact. We expect revenue acceleration in the second half of the year because we've been investing and seeing results, you know, mobile app, CTV, emerging revenues. All told, you know, what you're really seeing is that headwind that's still in the reported numbers that we're gonna grow through in the second half of the year. Other factors are obviously built into it. Assumption that the macro will remain relatively stable, and what we saw in January was that was the case. You know, we saw six out of 10 ad verticals grew, you know, double digits. All told, we see a stable background.
Steve Pantelick: From our perspective, clearly on track in terms of getting back to growth. By, you know, mid-year, we will have lapped that impact. We expect revenue acceleration in the second half of the year because we've been investing and seeing results, you know, mobile app, CTV, emerging revenues. All told, you know, what you're really seeing is that headwind that's still in the reported numbers that we're gonna grow through in the second half of the year. Other factors are obviously built into it. Assumption that the macro will remain relatively stable, and what we saw in January was that was the case. You know, we saw six out of 10 ad verticals grew, you know, double digits. All told, we see a stable background.
Speaker #6: And by mid-year, we will have lapped that impact. And so we expect revenue acceleration in the second half of the year. Because we've been investing and seeing results mobile app, CTV, emerging revenues.
Speaker #6: So all told, what you're really seeing is that headwind that's still in the reported numbers that we're going to grow through in the second half of the year.
Speaker #6: Other factors are obviously built into it. These are assumption that the macro will remain relatively stable. And what we saw in January was that was the case.
Speaker #6: We saw 6 out of 10 ad verticals grew double digits. So all told, we see a stable background. We see the results of our investment.
Speaker #6: And we see working through some of the structural headwinds that we feel are now stable. And we'll soon be behind us.
Steve Pantelick: We see the results of our investment, and we see, you know, you know, working through some of the structural headwinds that we feel are now stable and will soon be behind us.
Steve Pantelick: We see the results of our investment, and we see, you know, you know, working through some of the structural headwinds that we feel are now stable and will soon be behind us.
Speaker #7: Thank you.
Matt Swanson: Thank you.
Matt Swanson: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Next question comes from James Heaney at Jefferies.
Rajeev Goel: Next question comes from James Heaney at Jefferies.
Stacie Clements: Next question comes from James Heaney at Jefferies.
Speaker #3: Yeah. Great. Thanks, guys, for taking the question. Rajeev, when you say that your Q4 results represented an inflection point in your business, could you just elaborate on what you think the biggest unlock was this particular quarter?
James Heaney: Yeah, great. Thanks, guys, for taking the question. Rajeev, when you say that your Q4 results represented an inflection point in your business, could you just elaborate on what you think the biggest unlock was this particular quarter? Is it a combination of things, or is there one thing you'd call out?
James Heaney: Yeah, great. Thanks, guys, for taking the question. Rajeev, when you say that your Q4 results represented an inflection point in your business, could you just elaborate on what you think the biggest unlock was this particular quarter? Is it a combination of things, or is there one thing you'd call out?
Speaker #3: Is it a combination of things? Or is there one thing you'd call out?
Speaker #6: Sure. Yeah. I would say it's a combination of a number of things, right? And to kind of just highlight it, Steve called out the metric just now in the last Q&A, which is excluding political and that legacy DSP.
Rajeev Goel: Sure. Yeah. I would say it's a combination of a number of things, right? To kind of just highlight it, you know, Steve called out the metric just now in the last Q&A, which is excluding political and that legacy DSP, 83% of our business grew 18% year-over-year in Q4. Clearly, you know, very positive signal. Things that I think are working well, CTV, you know, grew in the double digits, excluding political. We partner now with 28 of the top 30 global streamers. We added one more. We'll share more on that one a little bit later. Mobile app grew 25% year-over-year.
Rajeev Goel: Sure. Yeah. I would say it's a combination of a number of things, right? To kind of just highlight it, you know, Steve called out the metric just now in the last Q&A, which is excluding political and that legacy DSP, 83% of our business grew 18% year-over-year in Q4. Clearly, you know, very positive signal. Things that I think are working well, CTV, you know, grew in the double digits, excluding political. We partner now with 28 of the top 30 global streamers. We added one more. We'll share more on that one a little bit later. Mobile app grew 25% year-over-year.
Speaker #6: 83% of our business grew 18% year over year in Q4. So clearly, very positive signal. So things that I think are working well. CTV grew in the double digits, excluding political.
Speaker #6: We partner now with 28 of the top 30 global streamers. So we add one more. We'll share more on that one a little bit later.
Speaker #6: Mobile app grew 25% year over year. The emerging revenue streams, that's now 10% of revenue, growing very quickly. The DSP diversification that we talked about earlier.
Rajeev Goel: The emerging revenue streams, you know, that's now 10% of revenue growing very quickly. The DSP diversification that we talked about earlier. I think, you know, the big one that certainly I am personally very focused on is, you know, the emergence of agentic as a new incremental tailwind in our business. We just started to see a bit of that in Q4, you know, as we launched those initial campaigns in December. But, you know, just the fact that we're now at 250 and growing, you know, campaigns that have run, you know, obviously, we feel very excited and bullish on that opportunity.
Rajeev Goel: The emerging revenue streams, you know, that's now 10% of revenue growing very quickly. The DSP diversification that we talked about earlier. I think, you know, the big one that certainly I am personally very focused on is, you know, the emergence of agentic as a new incremental tailwind in our business. We just started to see a bit of that in Q4, you know, as we launched those initial campaigns in December. But, you know, just the fact that we're now at 250 and growing, you know, campaigns that have run, you know, obviously, we feel very excited and bullish on that opportunity.
Speaker #6: And then I think the big one that certainly I am personally very focused on is the emergence of agentic as a new incremental tailwind in our business.
Speaker #6: And we just started to see a bit of that in Q4 as we launched those initial campaigns in December. But just the fact that we're now at 250 and growing campaigns that have run obviously, we feel very excited and bullish on that opportunity.
Speaker #6: Yeah. And if I would just add a couple of additional comments. We think about obviously we have been working through structural changes in the industry.
Steve Pantelick: Yeah, if I would just add a couple additional comments. You know, we think of it, obviously, we have been working through, you know, structural changes in the industry. I think what really distilled for us is that the confluence of our hard work in terms of innovation, investing, you know, gaining efficiencies, and really setting ourselves up for, you know, a strong, healthy 2026, with accelerating revenue in the second half of the year. You know, from our perspective, you know, to rephrase again, you know, we're controlling what we can control, and we're seeing the fruit of our labors.
Steve Pantelick: Yeah, if I would just add a couple additional comments. You know, we think of it, obviously, we have been working through, you know, structural changes in the industry. I think what really distilled for us is that the confluence of our hard work in terms of innovation, investing, you know, gaining efficiencies, and really setting ourselves up for, you know, a strong, healthy 2026, with accelerating revenue in the second half of the year. You know, from our perspective, you know, to rephrase again, you know, we're controlling what we can control, and we're seeing the fruit of our labors.
Speaker #6: And I think what really distilled for us is that the confluence of our hard work in terms of innovation, investing, gaining efficiencies, and really setting ourselves up for a strong healthy 2026 with accelerating revenue in the second half of the year.
Speaker #6: And so from our perspective, to rephrase again, we're controlling what we can control. And we're seeing the fruit of our labors. And so we're feeling very confident about the trajectory of the business.
Steve Pantelick: We're feeling very confident about the trajectory of the business because we are seeding our business, you know, around the areas that will have long-term growth, opportunity for us.
Steve Pantelick: We're feeling very confident about the trajectory of the business because we are seeding our business, you know, around the areas that will have long-term growth, opportunity for us.
Speaker #6: Because we are seeding our business around the areas that will have long-term growth opportunity for us.
Speaker #3: Great. Thank you.
Rajeev Goel: Great. Thank you.
James Heaney: Great. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Next question comes from Jason Helfstein at Oppenheimer.
[Analyst] (Rosenblatt Securities): The next question comes from Jason Helfstein at Oppenheimer.
Stacie Clements: The next question comes from Jason Helfstein at Oppenheimer.
Speaker #8: Hi. This is Steve Perlman on for Jason. So just a quick question on agentic OS. The over 250 deals metric is encouraging. But just can you help us understand the whether these deals are already driving meaningful revenue?
Steve Roman: Hi, this is Steve Roman on for Jason. Just a quick question on AgenticOS. The over 250 deals metric is encouraging, but just can you help us understand whether these deals are already driving meaningful revenue, or is that more of a this year or next year story? Also, how do the economics work? Like, are you charging higher CPMs or an expanded take rate or a separate fee structure? Thank you.
Steve Roman: Hi, this is Steve Roman on for Jason. Just a quick question on AgenticOS. The over 250 deals metric is encouraging, but just can you help us understand whether these deals are already driving meaningful revenue, or is that more of a this year or next year story? Also, how do the economics work? Like, are you charging higher CPMs or an expanded take rate or a separate fee structure? Thank you.
Speaker #8: Or is that more of a this year, next year story? And then also, how do the economics work? Are you charging higher CPMs? Or an expanded take rate?
Speaker #8: Or a separate fee structure? Thank you.
Speaker #6: Sure. Steve, you want to take that?
Speaker #5: Sure. From our perspective, it's first, we're out of the gate. And from our perspective, we are absolutely the leader among our peers in terms of this respect.
Rajeev Goel: Sure. Steve, you wanna take that?
Rajeev Goel: Sure. Steve, you wanna take that?
Steve Pantelick: Sure. You know, from our perspective, you know, it's first we're out of the gate and, from our perspective, we are absolutely the leader among our peers, in terms of this respect. You know, having an end-to-end system that's working, you know, PubMatic's AgenticOS. As we've done with many other innovations in our company, we, you know, build out the foundation, and then we scale it over a number of quarters and years. This will be similar in that regard. To give you some proof points, you know, it was about three years ago where our emerging revenues was less than 1% of our revenues, and we exited 2025 at 12% of revenues. You know, that's Activate, Curation, Commerce, et cetera.
Steve Pantelick: Sure. You know, from our perspective, you know, it's first we're out of the gate and, from our perspective, we are absolutely the leader among our peers, in terms of this respect. You know, having an end-to-end system that's working, you know, PubMatic's AgenticOS. As we've done with many other innovations in our company, we, you know, build out the foundation, and then we scale it over a number of quarters and years. This will be similar in that regard. To give you some proof points, you know, it was about three years ago where our emerging revenues was less than 1% of our revenues, and we exited 2025 at 12% of revenues. You know, that's Activate, Curation, Commerce, et cetera.
Speaker #5: Having an end-to-end system that's working, PubMatics, agentic OS, and so as we've done with many other innovations in our company, we build out the foundation.
Speaker #5: And then we scale it over a number of quarters and years. And so this will be similar in that regard to give you some proof points.
Speaker #5: It was about three years ago where our emerging revenues were less than 1% of our revenues. And we exited '25 at 12% of revenues.
Speaker #5: That's activate, curation, commerce, et cetera. And so we expect our agentic efforts will build a base. And then it will accelerate over time. So for in the second half of the year, we would assume that that will be a similar profile.
Steve Pantelick: We expect, you know, our Agentic efforts will, you know, build a base, and then it will accelerate over time. For, you know, in the second half of the year, we would assume that that will be a similar profile, but it's gonna take time. But the key point is that we are actually leading the pack, you know, and actually learning from the process, and we'll start to, you know, hit the revenue line. Now we're, you know, experimenting with a lot of different models, in terms of CPM-based, et cetera. The powerful aspect of what we're doing is that we now have sort of a complete breadth. You know, we obviously have the deep integrations that Rajeev called out. We have the buying capability.
Steve Pantelick: We expect, you know, our Agentic efforts will, you know, build a base, and then it will accelerate over time. For, you know, in the second half of the year, we would assume that that will be a similar profile, but it's gonna take time. But the key point is that we are actually leading the pack, you know, and actually learning from the process, and we'll start to, you know, hit the revenue line. Now we're, you know, experimenting with a lot of different models, in terms of CPM-based, et cetera. The powerful aspect of what we're doing is that we now have sort of a complete breadth. You know, we obviously have the deep integrations that Rajeev called out. We have the buying capability.
Speaker #5: But it's going to take time. But the key point is that we are actually leading the pack and actually learning from the process. And we'll start to hit the revenue line.
Speaker #5: Now, we're experimenting with a lot of different models, in terms of CPM-based et cetera. The powerful aspect of what we're doing is that we now have sort of complete breadth.
Speaker #5: We obviously have the deep integrations that Rajeev called out. We have the buying capability. So we have a lot of flexibility in terms of how the economics play out over the long run.
Steve Pantelick: We have a lot of flexibility in terms of how the economics play out over the long run. You know, any good company that's innovating is we're experimenting and testing and see what, you know, is most palatable and will be the unlock for our customers and partners.
Steve Pantelick: We have a lot of flexibility in terms of how the economics play out over the long run. You know, any good company that's innovating is we're experimenting and testing and see what, you know, is most palatable and will be the unlock for our customers and partners.
Speaker #5: And any good company that's innovating is we're experimenting and testing and see what is most palatable and will be the unlock for our customers and partners.
Speaker #3: Yeah. And maybe just two data points to add to that. So thank you, Steve. So when a buyer uses agentic OS as the agentic doorway into PubMatic, and they buy through activate, then we do generate an incremental fee.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah, maybe just two data points to add to that. Thank you, Steve. When a buyer uses AgenticOS as the Agentic doorway into PubMatic, and they buy through Activate, then we do generate an incremental fee. Activate the direct buying interface into our SSP. We do generate an incremental fee on those transactions above and beyond the SSP fee. Second, you know, I called out in the prepared remarks that 10% of publishers are now generating revenue from AI solutions, and that can be AgenticOS as well as a variety of different publisher solutions that we have. That number, you know, it's great that it's in double digits, but that number should be 100% eventually.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah, maybe just two data points to add to that. Thank you, Steve. When a buyer uses AgenticOS as the Agentic doorway into PubMatic, and they buy through Activate, then we do generate an incremental fee. Activate the direct buying interface into our SSP. We do generate an incremental fee on those transactions above and beyond the SSP fee. Second, you know, I called out in the prepared remarks that 10% of publishers are now generating revenue from AI solutions, and that can be AgenticOS as well as a variety of different publisher solutions that we have. That number, you know, it's great that it's in double digits, but that number should be 100% eventually.
Speaker #3: So activate the direct buying interface into our SSP. We do generate an incremental fee on those transactions above and beyond the SSP fee. And then second, I called out in the prepared remarks that 10% of publishers are now generating revenue from AI solutions.
Speaker #3: And that can be agentic OS as well as a variety of different publisher solutions that we have. So that number, it's great that it's in double digits.
Speaker #3: But that number should be 100% eventually. So I think it just points to the fact that we're still early. And there's a lot of runway ahead of us.
Rajeev Goel: I think it just points to the fact that we're still, you know, early, and there's a lot of runway ahead of us.
Rajeev Goel: I think it just points to the fact that we're still, you know, early, and there's a lot of runway ahead of us.
Speaker #8: Great. Thank you.
Steve Roman: Great. Thank you.
Steve Roman: Great. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Is that comment from Riley? Zachary, are you there?
[Analyst] (Rosenblatt Securities): The next question comes from Ben Zeffiroli. Ben, are you there?
Stacie Clements: The next question comes from Ben Zeffiroli. Ben, are you there?
Speaker #8: Oh, just unmuted now. Hey, Rajeev. Hi, Steve. Thanks for the opportunity to take the questions. I just wanted to start off with the impacts that we've seen to search traffic with the emergence of some of these large LLM models, just curious if you've seen a meaningful shift in terms of channels that advertisers are now prioritizing versus maybe what you saw 6 or 12 months ago?
Ben Zeffiroli: Oh, just unmuted now. Oh, hey, Rajeev. Hi, Steve.
Ben Zeffiroli: Oh, just unmuted now. Oh, hey, Rajeev. Hi, Steve.
Rajeev Goel: Thanks.
Rajeev Goel: Thanks.
Ben Zeffiroli: Thanks for the opportunity to take the questions. I just wanted to start off with the impacts that we've seen to search traffic with the emergence of some of these large LLM models. Just curious if you've seen a meaningful shift in terms of channels that advertisers are now prioritizing versus maybe what you saw 6 or 12 months ago.
Ben Zeffiroli: Thanks for the opportunity to take the questions. I just wanted to start off with the impacts that we've seen to search traffic with the emergence of some of these large LLM models. Just curious if you've seen a meaningful shift in terms of channels that advertisers are now prioritizing versus maybe what you saw 6 or 12 months ago.
Speaker #6: So we have not seen a meaningful shift. I mean, obviously, OpenAI is out with a new advertising solution and I think it's pretty early.
Rajeev Goel: We have not seen a meaningful shift. I mean, obviously, OpenAI is, you know, out with a new advertising, you know, solution. I think it's pretty early. I don't know if you call it an alpha, a beta, or something like that. I don't think that's at scale, and I think that's primarily competing with search budgets, you know, which, you know, do not flow on our platform to begin with. We aren't seeing that from a kinda channel perspective. I'd also say that our, you know, business is quite limited in terms of exposure from a traffic perspective.
Rajeev Goel: We have not seen a meaningful shift. I mean, obviously, OpenAI is, you know, out with a new advertising, you know, solution. I think it's pretty early. I don't know if you call it an alpha, a beta, or something like that. I don't think that's at scale, and I think that's primarily competing with search budgets, you know, which, you know, do not flow on our platform to begin with. We aren't seeing that from a kinda channel perspective. I'd also say that our, you know, business is quite limited in terms of exposure from a traffic perspective.
Speaker #6: I don't know if you'd call it an alpha or beta or something like that. And so I don't think that's at scale. And I think that's primarily competing with search budgets, which do not flow on our platform to begin with.
Speaker #6: So we aren't seeing that from a kind of channel perspective. I'd also say that our businesses quite limited in terms of exposure from a traffic perspective.
Speaker #6: We've sized it at single-digit percentage of revenue. If search traffic were to go away, because about 60% of the impressions that we process are now for CTV and mobile app.
Rajeev Goel: You know, we size it at a single-digit percentage of revenue, you know, if search traffic were to go away, because 60% of the impressions that we process are now for CTV and mobile app. Those are, you know, unaffected by the kind of changes in search. Then industry data indicates that for the remainder of our business, you know, 15% of traffic is referral traffic versus direct navigation. You know, when you play that math out, you get into the single-digit percentages. I mean, we continue to grow the impression volume on our platform. There's no shortage of both, you know, browser web monetization, web impressions, as well as mobile app, as we, you know, continue to grow with the Google announcement.
Rajeev Goel: You know, we size it at a single-digit percentage of revenue, you know, if search traffic were to go away, because 60% of the impressions that we process are now for CTV and mobile app. Those are, you know, unaffected by the kind of changes in search. Then industry data indicates that for the remainder of our business, you know, 15% of traffic is referral traffic versus direct navigation. You know, when you play that math out, you get into the single-digit percentages. I mean, we continue to grow the impression volume on our platform. There's no shortage of both, you know, browser web monetization, web impressions, as well as mobile app, as we, you know, continue to grow with the Google announcement.
Speaker #6: And those are unaffected by the kind of the changes in search. And then industry data indicates that for the remainder of our business, about 15% of traffic is referral traffic versus direct, into the single-digit percentages.
Speaker #6: I mean, we continue to grow the impression volume on our platform. There's no shortage of both browser web monetization web impressions, as well as mobile app, as we continue to grow with the Google announcement and then, of course, CTV as we add more and more streamers to our platform.
Rajeev Goel: Of course, CTV, as we add, you know, more and more streamers to our platform.
Rajeev Goel: Of course, CTV, as we add, you know, more and more streamers to our platform.
Speaker #5: And one thing I'd add, Zach, just to underscore the point. And really, speak to the strength of PubMatic. In the fourth quarter, we actually had a very robust display growth.
Steve Pantelick: You know, one thing I'd add, Zach, just to underscore the point, and really speak to the strength of PubMatic. You know, in Q4, we actually had a very robust display growth. A return to growth on a year-over-year basis in the mid-single digit percentages. If you adjust for the large, legacy DSP, our display business actually grew 20% year-over-year in Q4. Hard to see sort of, you know, any bleed over from AI pressures in that regard. Really what it speaks to is that when you think about all the things that we've been doing, executing against our strategic priorities, all of those efforts are starting to benefit across all formats and channels. In effect, it's lifting all boats.
Steve Pantelick: You know, one thing I'd add, Zach, just to underscore the point, and really speak to the strength of PubMatic. You know, in Q4, we actually had a very robust display growth. A return to growth on a year-over-year basis in the mid-single digit percentages. If you adjust for the large, legacy DSP, our display business actually grew 20% year-over-year in Q4. Hard to see sort of, you know, any bleed over from AI pressures in that regard. Really what it speaks to is that when you think about all the things that we've been doing, executing against our strategic priorities, all of those efforts are starting to benefit across all formats and channels. In effect, it's lifting all boats.
Speaker #5: The return to growth on a year-over-year basis. In the mid-single-digit percentages, and if you adjust for the large legacy DSP, our display business actually grew 20% year-over-year in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #5: So hard to see sort of any bleed over from AI pressures in that regard. But really, what it speaks to is that when you think about all the things that we've been doing, executing against our strategic priorities, all of those efforts are starting to benefit across all formats and channels in effect.
Speaker #5: It's lifting all boats. And really, display with that stat highlights that the benefit of those efforts that is really broad-based across our platform. And of course, there's all the other structural aspects controlling what we can control.
Steve Pantelick: Really display, with that stat highlights, you know, that the benefit of those efforts, that is really, you know, broad-based across our platform. Of course, there's, you know, all the other structural aspects, you know, controlling what we can control. You know, adding more DSPs helps. You know, Rajiv called out the strong Activate progression, you know, the mobile app progression. All that feeds into volume growth, not just in CTV, but also, you know, our legacy formats like display.
Steve Pantelick: Really display, with that stat highlights, you know, that the benefit of those efforts, that is really, you know, broad-based across our platform. Of course, there's, you know, all the other structural aspects, you know, controlling what we can control. You know, adding more DSPs helps. You know, Rajiv called out the strong Activate progression, you know, the mobile app progression. All that feeds into volume growth, not just in CTV, but also, you know, our legacy formats like display.
Speaker #5: Adding more DSPs helps. Rajeev called out the strong activate progression. The mobile app progression. All that feeds into volume growth, not just in CTV, but also our legacy formats like display.
Speaker #8: Understood. And Rajeev, I'm curious if you can give any sort of update around the Google ad tech remedies trial still awaiting a final decision on that front.
Ben Zeffiroli: Understood. Rajeev, I'm curious if you can give any sort of update around the Google Ad Tech remedies trial. Still awaiting a final decision on that front, but maybe just level setting, kind of base case outcome that you view is most likely. I'm assuming that none of that potential tailwind is included in the forward outlook.
Ben Zeffiroli: Understood. Rajeev, I'm curious if you can give any sort of update around the Google Ad Tech remedies trial. Still awaiting a final decision on that front, but maybe just level setting, kind of base case outcome that you view is most likely. I'm assuming that none of that potential tailwind is included in the forward outlook.
Speaker #8: But maybe just level setting kind of base case outcome that you view is most likely. And I'm assuming that none of that potential tailwind is included in the forward outlook.
Speaker #3: Yeah. That's right. So that's not included because obviously, the timing and the nature of the remedies is uncertain. So maybe there's two things to comment on.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah, that's right. That's not included because obviously the timing and the nature of the remedies is uncertain. Maybe there's two things to comment on. One is the Google DOJ case, and then the other is our, you know, our own lawsuit against Google for damages. On the former, you know, we like you are, you know, waiting for the court's verdict in terms of remedies. I think many people are expecting it, you know, sometime this quarter. Many folks are expecting it to be, you know, more so behavioral remedies rather than structural remedies. Where the, you know, primary structural remedy is Google divestiture of AdX. You know, we don't know anything special. We're kinda waiting and seeing.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah, that's right. That's not included because obviously the timing and the nature of the remedies is uncertain. Maybe there's two things to comment on. One is the Google DOJ case, and then the other is our, you know, our own lawsuit against Google for damages. On the former, you know, we like you are, you know, waiting for the court's verdict in terms of remedies. I think many people are expecting it, you know, sometime this quarter. Many folks are expecting it to be, you know, more so behavioral remedies rather than structural remedies. Where the, you know, primary structural remedy is Google divestiture of AdX. You know, we don't know anything special. We're kinda waiting and seeing.
Speaker #3: One is the Google DOJ case. And then the other is our own lawsuit. Against Google for damages. So on the former, we, like you, are waiting for the court's verdict in terms of remedies.
Speaker #3: I think many people are expecting it sometime this quarter. And many folks are expecting it to be more so behavioral remedies. Rather than structural remedies.
Speaker #3: Where the primary structural remedy is Google divestiture of AdX. So we don't know anything special. So we're kind of waiting and seeing. I think, as you know, we estimate Google is a 60% market share player.
Rajeev Goel: You know, as I think as you know, we estimate Google is a 60% market share player, and each 1% of market share would add $50 to $75 million in, you know, very high margin revenue, roughly 80%, 90% incremental margin revenue to our platform. We think it's a tremendous opportunity, but like you, we are waiting for that verdict, that remedies to be handed down. Then the second piece is our own, you know, litigation against Google. You know, that's gonna be a bit of a longer process. This is for damages.
Rajeev Goel: You know, as I think as you know, we estimate Google is a 60% market share player, and each 1% of market share would add $50 to $75 million in, you know, very high margin revenue, roughly 80%, 90% incremental margin revenue to our platform. We think it's a tremendous opportunity, but like you, we are waiting for that verdict, that remedies to be handed down. Then the second piece is our own, you know, litigation against Google. You know, that's gonna be a bit of a longer process. This is for damages.
Speaker #3: And each 1% of market share would add 50% to 75 million in very high-margin revenue roughly 80%, 90% incremental margin revenue to our platform.
Speaker #3: So we think it's a tremendous opportunity. But like you, we are waiting for that verdict to that remedies to be handed down. And then the second piece is our own litigation against Google.
Speaker #3: And that's going to be a bit of a longer process. This is for damages. And there was, I think, a very positive decision where the judge in New York which is where this case has been sent to determined that the factual findings made by Judge Brinkema in the DOJ litigation should be applied without relitigating the facts.
Rajeev Goel: There was, I think, a very positive decision, where the judge in New York, which is where this case has been sent to, determine that the factual findings made by Judge Brinkema in the DOJ litigation should be applied without relitigating the facts. What that means is that, you know, we don't need to prove that there was antitrust or anti-competitive behavior on the part of Google. We only need to, you know, demonstrate what the magnitude of damages is.
Rajeev Goel: There was, I think, a very positive decision, where the judge in New York, which is where this case has been sent to, determine that the factual findings made by Judge Brinkema in the DOJ litigation should be applied without relitigating the facts. What that means is that, you know, we don't need to prove that there was antitrust or anti-competitive behavior on the part of Google. We only need to, you know, demonstrate what the magnitude of damages is.
Speaker #3: And so what that means is that we don't need to prove that there was antitrust or anti-competitive behavior on the part of Google. We only need to demonstrate what the magnitude of damages is.
Speaker #8: Understood. Well, thanks for taking my questions.
Ben Zeffiroli: Understood. Well, thanks for taking my questions.
Ben Zeffiroli: Understood. Well, thanks for taking my questions.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Zach.
Rajeev Goel: Thanks, Zach.
Rajeev Goel: Thanks, Zach.
Speaker #1: Question comes from Elle Niebuhr at Lakestreet. Please go ahead, Elle.
Operator: Question comes from Elle Neeper at Lake Street. Please go ahead, Elle.
Stacie Clements: Question comes from Elle Neeper at Lake Street. Please go ahead, Elle.
Speaker #4: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. So I was just wondering if you could quantify how much of the Q4 CTV growth is tied to live sports versus the always-on budgets.
Elle Neeper: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I was just wondering if you could quantify how much of the Q4 CTV growth is tied to live sports versus the always-on budgets. Do you guys see sports becoming a higher mix of CTV re-revenue, or could you comment on that?
Elle Niebuhr: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I was just wondering if you could quantify how much of the Q4 CTV growth is tied to live sports versus the always-on budgets. Do you guys see sports becoming a higher mix of CTV re-revenue, or could you comment on that?
Speaker #4: Do you guys see sports becoming a higher mix of CTV revenue? Or could you comment on that?
Speaker #5: Sure. I mean, from our perspective, live sports is obviously a key long-term driver for our CTV business, as for the industry overall. So we've been making great progress expanding inventory in not just live sports, but agency marketplaces across the globe.
Steve Pantelick: I mean, from our perspective, you know, live sports is obviously a key long-term driver for our CTV business as for the industry overall. We've been making great progress expanding inventory in, you know, not just live sports, but, you know, agency marketplaces across the globe. They're all gonna be, you know, strong secular growth areas. I think the way to think about the opportunity is really to dovetail with earlier comments that, you know, as we scale as a business, you know, bring in more publishers. You know, Rajeev shared, you know, we are now work with 20 of the top 30 global streamers. You know, we have over 450 global CTV publishers, and we're growing that all the time.
Steve Pantelick: I mean, from our perspective, you know, live sports is obviously a key long-term driver for our CTV business as for the industry overall. We've been making great progress expanding inventory in, you know, not just live sports, but, you know, agency marketplaces across the globe. They're all gonna be, you know, strong secular growth areas. I think the way to think about the opportunity is really to dovetail with earlier comments that, you know, as we scale as a business, you know, bring in more publishers. You know, Rajeev shared, you know, we are now work with 20 of the top 30 global streamers. You know, we have over 450 global CTV publishers, and we're growing that all the time.
Speaker #5: And they're all going to be strong secular growth areas. And I think the way to think about the opportunity is really to dovetail with earlier comments.
Speaker #5: That as we scale as a business, bring in more publishers. Rajeev shared we are now working with 20 of the top 30 global streamers.
Speaker #5: We have over 450 global CTV publishers. And we're growing that all the time. So we have inventory that buyers value. And in the process of making us easier to use, through our AI capabilities, we anticipate that CTV will certainly benefit from it.
Steve Pantelick: We have, you know, inventory that buyers value and, you know, in the process of making us easier to use, you know, through our AI capabilities, we anticipate that, you know, CTV will certainly benefit from it. It's benefiting because we have, you know, inventory at scale, and we expect that to continue to be a long-term growth driver for us.
Steve Pantelick: We have, you know, inventory that buyers value and, you know, in the process of making us easier to use, you know, through our AI capabilities, we anticipate that, you know, CTV will certainly benefit from it. It's benefiting because we have, you know, inventory at scale, and we expect that to continue to be a long-term growth driver for us.
Speaker #5: And it's benefiting because we have inventory at scale and we expect that to continue to be a long-term growth driver for us. And the.
Speaker #3: Yeah. Just to give you a couple of examples. Last year, we monetized Cricket World Cup, US Open for tennis, MLB, NFL. NHL. So kind of the list goes on and on of live sports.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah, just to give you...
Rajeev Goel: Yeah, just to give you...
Steve Pantelick: Anything you want to-
Steve Pantelick: Anything you want to-
Rajeev Goel: Yeah, just to give you a couple of examples. You know, last year we monetized Cricket World Cup, US Open for tennis, MLB, NFL, NHL, kind of the list goes on and on of live sports. It absolutely is a key growth driver of our overall CTV business, and we're continuing to get closer to both the streamers and the buyers in order to work through, you know, many of the technical challenges.
Rajeev Goel: Yeah, just to give you a couple of examples. You know, last year we monetized Cricket World Cup, US Open for tennis, MLB, NFL, NHL, kind of the list goes on and on of live sports. It absolutely is a key growth driver of our overall CTV business, and we're continuing to get closer to both the streamers and the buyers in order to work through, you know, many of the technical challenges.
Speaker #3: So it absolutely is a key growth driver of our overall CTV business. And we're continuing to get closer to both the streamers and the buyers in order to work through many of the technical challenges.
Speaker #4: Thanks, guys.
Elle Neeper: Thanks, guys.
Elle Niebuhr: Thanks, guys.
Speaker #1: We are out of time. So I'm going to turn the call back over to Rajeev for closing remarks.
Operator: We are out of time, so I'm gonna turn the call back over to Rajeev for closing remarks.
Stacie Clements: We are out of time, so I'm gonna turn the call back over to Rajeev for closing remarks.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Stacy. We enter 2026 with the stronger revenue mix and more efficient cost structure. And expect to return to double-digit revenue growth in the second half of this year, with corresponding margin expansion.
Rajeev Goel: Thank you, Stacie Clements. We enter 2026 with a stronger revenue mix and more efficient cost structure, and expect to return to double-digit revenue growth in the second half of this year with corresponding margin expansion. Our early leadership in agentic AI is both an incremental tailwind and a structural advantage for PubMatic. Given our scale and proprietary data, it drives greater advertiser outcomes, unlocks new addressable ad demand, and increases budgets to the open internet. We look forward to seeing many of you at upcoming conferences, including the Citizens JMP Technology Conference on Monday, 2 March 2026, and the KeyBanc Capital Markets Emerging Technology Summit on Tuesday, 3 March 2026, both in San Francisco. I will also be speaking at the NVIDIA GPU Technology Conference, or GTC, their global AI conference on 19 March 2026. Thanks, everyone for joining us today, and have a great afternoon.
Rajeev Goel: Thank you, Stacie Clements. We enter 2026 with a stronger revenue mix and more efficient cost structure, and expect to return to double-digit revenue growth in the second half of this year with corresponding margin expansion. Our early leadership in agentic AI is both an incremental tailwind and a structural advantage for PubMatic. Given our scale and proprietary data, it drives greater advertiser outcomes, unlocks new addressable ad demand, and increases budgets to the open internet. We look forward to seeing many of you at upcoming conferences, including the Citizens JMP Technology Conference on Monday, 2 March 2026, and the KeyBanc Capital Markets Emerging Technology Summit on Tuesday, 3 March 2026, both in San Francisco. I will also be speaking at the NVIDIA GPU Technology Conference, or GTC, their global AI conference on 19 March 2026. Thanks, everyone for joining us today, and have a great afternoon.
Speaker #3: Our early leadership in agentic AI is both an incremental tailwind and a structural advantage for PubMatic. And given our scale and proprietary data, it drives greater advertiser outcomes, unlocks new addressable ad demand, and increases budgets to the open internet.
Speaker #3: We look forward to seeing many of you at upcoming conferences, including the Citizens Tech Conference on Monday, March 2, and the KeyBank Emerging Tech Summit on Tuesday, March 3.
Speaker #3: Both in San Francisco. I will also be speaking at the NVIDIA GPU Technology Conference, or GTC, their global AI conference on March 19. Thanks, everyone, for joining us today.