Q4 2025 LSB Industries Inc Earnings Call

February 26, 2026

Operator: Greetings, welcome to the LSB Industries' Q4, full year, 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Kristy Carver, Senior Vice President and Treasurer. Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker #2: A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press *0 on your telephone keypad.

Speaker #2: As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Kristy Carver, Senior Vice President and Treasurer. Thank you.

Speaker #2: You may begin. Good morning, everyone. Joining me today are Mark Bearman, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Cheryl Maguire, our Chief Financial Officer, and Damien Renwick, our Chief Commercial Officer.

Kristy Carver: Good morning, everyone. Joining me today are Mark Behrman, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Cheryl Maguire, our Chief Financial Officer, and Damien Renwick, our Chief Commercial Officer. Please note that today's call includes forward-looking statements. These statements are based on the company's current intent, expectations, and projections. They are not guarantees of future performance. A variety of factors could cause the actual results to differ materially. For more information about the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected or implied by forward-looking statements, please see the risk factors set forth in the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K. On the call, we will reference non-GAAP results. Please see the press release in the investor section of our website, lsbindustries.com, for further information regarding forward-looking statements and reconciliations of non-GAAP results to GAAP results.

Speaker #2: Please note that today's call includes forward-looking statements. These statements are based on the company's current intents, expectations, and projections. They are not guarantees of future performance and a variety of factors could cause the actual results to differ materially.

Speaker #2: For more information about the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected or implied by a forward-looking statements, please see the risk factors set forth in the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K.

Speaker #2: On the call, we will reference non-GAAP results; please see the press release in the investor section of our website lsbindustries.com for further information regarding forward-looking statements and reconciliations of non-GAAP results to GAAP results.

Speaker #2: At this time, I'd like to go ahead and turn the call over to Mark. Thank you, Kristy, and good morning, everyone. Turning to the 2025 highlights, I first want to recognize our teams for their continued focus on safety and operational discipline.

Kristy Carver: At this time, I'd like to go ahead and turn the call over to Mark.

Mark Behrman: Thank you, Kristy. Good morning, everyone. Turning to the 2025 highlights, I first want to recognize our teams for their continued focus on safety and operational discipline, which drove further improvement in our safety performance during the year. Our 12-month rolling total recordable incident rate of 0.40 incidents per 200,000 work hours as of December 31st, 2025, was a record low. Three of our four sites operated injury-free for the full year. Quite an accomplishment. That represents a meaningful improvement over 2024. We're proud of the progress our teams have made. We delivered significant year-over-year growth in net sales, adjusted EBITDA, and EPS in both Q4 and the full year of 2025. Our strategies to improve our operational performance, combined with disciplined commercial execution, yielded strong financial results.

Speaker #2: Which drove further improvement in our safety performance during the year. Our 12-month rolling total reportable incident rate of 0.40 incidents per 200,000 work hours as of December 31, 2025, was a record low, and three of our four sites operated injury-free for the full year.

Speaker #2: Quite an accomplishment. That represents a meaningful improvement over 2024, and we're proud of the progress our teams have made. We delivered significant year-over-year growth in net sales, adjusted EBITDA, and EPS in both the fourth quarter and the full year of 2025.

Speaker #2: Our strategy is to improve our operational performance, combined with disciplined commercial execution, yielded strong financial results. The operational progress we achieved during the year enabled us to fully capitalize on favorable pricing momentum across our key products.

Mark Behrman: The operational progress we achieved during the year enabled us to fully capitalize on favorable pricing momentum across our key products. We delivered record nitric acid and ammonium nitrate solution production in 2025, reflecting the progress we've made in plant reliability, throughput, and operational efficiency. We believe this positions us well going forward, and we are ready to take advantage of current favorable market conditions. While we have been able to capture value with the operational and commercial improvements we've made, there remains significant value to capture, and we have ongoing initiatives intended to do just that. Cheryl will provide more color on that later in the call. Lastly, we are making good progress on our CCS project at our El Dorado site, and we feel good about meeting our projected timeline. I will provide an update later on the call.

Speaker #2: We delivered record nitric acid and ammonium nitrate solution production in 2025, reflecting the progress we've made in plant reliability, throughput, and operational efficiency. We believe this positions us well going forward, and we are ready to take advantage of current favorable market conditions.

Speaker #2: While we have been able to capture value, with the operational and commercial improvements we've made, there remain significant value to capture. And we have ongoing initiatives intended to do just that.

Speaker #2: Cheryl will provide more color on that later in the call. Lastly, we are making good progress on our CCS project at our El Dorado site, and we feel good about meeting our projected timeline.

Speaker #2: I will provide an update later on the call. Now I'll turn the call over to Damien to provide more detail on the commercial environment.

Mark Behrman: Now I'll turn the call over to Damien to provide more detail on the commercial environment.

Speaker #3: Thanks, Mark, and good morning, everyone. Turning to page 5, our industrial business remains well positioned with demonstrated performance across the board. During the fourth quarter, we optimized our production balance by reducing UAN production volumes to maximize ammonium nitrate spot sales at above typical market prices.

Damien Renwick: Thanks, Mark, and good morning, everyone. Turning to page five, our industrial business remains well-positioned with demonstrated performance across the board. During Q4, we optimized our production balance by reducing UAN production volumes to maximize Ammonium Nitrate spot sales at above typical market prices. This was to support existing customers whose regular AN supply was constrained by some supplier issues. Demand for AN for explosives in mining is strong across all commodities, but particularly with copper and gold miners, who are maximizing production volumes to take advantage of record prices. AN demand for explosives for quarrying and aggregate production for infrastructure also remains steady. Demand for coal production remains resilient as the US continues to generate more power from coal. Preliminary antidumping duties on imported methylene diphenyl diisocyanate, or MDI, combined with tariffs, has increased US production, leading to increasing demand for nitric acid.

Speaker #3: This was to support existing customers whose regular AN supply was constrained by some supplier issues. Demand for AN for explosives in mining is strong across all commodities, but particularly with copper and gold miners who are maximizing production volumes to take advantage of record prices.

Speaker #3: Ammonium nitrate demand for explosives for quarrying and aggregate production for infrastructure also remains steady. Demand for coal production remains resilient, as the US continues to generate more power from coal.

Speaker #3: Preliminary anti-dumping duties on imported methylene diphenyl diisocyanate, or MDI, combined with tariffs, have increased U.S. production, leading to increasing demand for nitric acid. Turning to page 6, pricing for UAN averaged $320 per tonne on an FOB basis in Q4, up 39% over Q4 2024.

Damien Renwick: Turning to page six, pricing for UAN averaged $320 per ton on an annual basis in Q4, up 39% over Q4 2024. UAN prices dipped slightly in November and December, but have recently improved. This reflects continued low levels of domestic inventory, constrained supply, and a strengthening in urea prices. We began the 2026 fertilizer year with the lowest carry-out inventory of UAN in several years. Together with a late start to summer fill, this has created a tight domestic supply situation, and we expect this to continue through mid-year. We saw strong fall ammonia sales supported by favorable weather conditions, and we continue to see strong demand domestically, with ongoing favorable application weather and higher prices for upgrades supporting demand. The Tampa ammonia benchmark price remains above year-ago levels.

Speaker #3: UAN prices dipped slightly in November and December, but have recently improved. This reflects continued low levels of domestic inventory, constrained supply, and a strengthening in Urea prices.

Speaker #3: We began the 2026 fertilizer year with the lowest carry-out inventory of UAN in several years. Together with the late start to summer fill, this has created a tight domestic supply situation.

Speaker #3: And we expect this to continue through mid-year. We saw strong fall ammonia sales supported by favorable weather conditions and we continue to see strong demand domestically with ongoing favorable application weather and higher prices for upgrades supporting demand.

Speaker #3: The tamper ammonia benchmark price remains above a year ago levels. Ammonia prices currently reflect reduced supply from the Middle East and Trinidad, higher costs of production in Europe, and delays in new production capacity coming online.

Damien Renwick: Ammonia prices currently reflect reduced supply from the Middle East and Trinidad, higher costs of production in Europe, and delays in new production capacity coming online. This is constraining global supply availability. In terms of the outlook for global ammonia, we see prices trending back to mid-cycle levels as new production comes online during 2026. Like the last couple of years, the market remains finely balanced and sensitive to any production interruptions. Finally, we believe broader ag market dynamics remain supportive of nitrogen fertilizer demand. The USDA recently projected 94 million planted acres for corn for the 2027 season, and we anticipate nitrogen demand to track closely with recent years. Now, I'll turn the call over to Cheryl to discuss our Q4 financial results and our outlook.

Speaker #3: This is constraining global supply availability. In terms of the outlook for global ammonia, we see prices trending back to mid-cycle levels as new production comes online during 2026.

Speaker #3: But like the last couple of years, the market remains finely balanced and sensitive to any production interruptions. Finally, we believe broader ag market dynamics remain supportive of nitrogen fertilizer demand.

Speaker #3: The USDA recently projected 94 million planted acres for corn for the 2027 season, and we anticipate nitrogen demand to track closely with recent years.

Speaker #3: Now I'll turn the call over to Cheryl to discuss our fourth quarter financial results and our outlook.

Speaker #4: Thanks, Damien, and good morning. On page 7, you'll see a summary of our fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial performance. Our results reflect the impact of the reliability improvements we've implemented across our operations.

Cheryl Maguire: Thanks, Damien. Good morning. On page 7, you'll see a summary of our Q4 and full year 2025 financial performance. Our results reflect the impact of the reliability improvements we've implemented across our operations. These gains, combined with the absence of planned turnarounds, positioned us to capitalize on strong market conditions. Result, full year 2025 adjusted EBITDA was $162 million, compared to $130 million in 2024, representing a 25% year-over-year increase. Shown on page 8, Q4 adjusted EBITDA grew 42% year-over-year from $38 million in Q4 last year to $54 million this year. This increase reflects higher pricing, coupled with stronger volumes and product mix, which were partially offset by higher natural gas and other operating costs.

Speaker #4: These gains combined with the absence of planned turnarounds positioned us to capitalize on strong market conditions. As a result, full year 2025 adjusted EBITDA was $162 million, compared to $130 million in 2024.

Speaker #4: Representing a 25% year-over-year increase. As shown on page 8, Q4 adjusted EBITDA grew $38 million in Q4 last year to $54 million this year.

Speaker #4: This increase reflects higher pricing coupled with stronger volumes and product mix, which were partially offset by higher natural gas and other operating costs. Operating costs were elevated this period due to timing of expenses, contractor support as we advanced towards our production targets.

Cheryl Maguire: Operating costs were elevated this period due to timing of expenses, along with increased maintenance and contractor support as we advance towards our production targets. We expect contractor-related costs to decline toward the end of 2026 as this work is completed. On page 9, you can see that our balance sheet remains solid, with approximately $150 million in cash at year-end and net leverage of 1.8x for the period ending December 2025. Operating cash flow for the full year of 2025 was $96 million. After subtracting $53 million of sustaining capital, the capital required to maintain our operations, free cash flow was $44 million. The remaining $25 million of CapEx relates to investments made to support growth in our business, which is discretionary and not included in free cash flow.

Speaker #4: We expect contractor-related costs to decline toward the end of 2026 as this work is completed. On page 9, you can see that our balance sheet remains solid.

Speaker #4: With approximately $150 million in cash at year-end and net leverage of 1.8 times for the period ending December 2025. Operating cash flow for the full year 2025 was $96 million.

Speaker #4: After subtracting $53 million of sustaining capital, the capital required to maintain our operations, free cash flow was $44 million. The remaining $25 million of CapEx relates to investments made to support growth in our business, which is discretionary and not included in free cash flow.

Speaker #4: While free cash flow looks lower than EBITDA might suggest, the shortfall is largely timing-related. Working capital grew by over $30 million during the period, driven by the rollover of certain 2024 payables that were paid early in '25, as well as strong end-of-the-quarter sales flowing into receivables at year-end.

Cheryl Maguire: While free cash flow looks lower than EBITDA might suggest, the shortfall is largely timing-related. Working capital grew by over $30 million during the period, driven by the rollover of certain 2024 payables that were paid early in 2025, as well as strong end of the quarter sales falling into receivables at year-end. Adjusting for the timing of these items, free cash flow generation was consistent with our expectations. In addition to investing in our manufacturing assets in 2025, we also de-risked our balance sheet by repurchasing approximately $40 million in principal amount of our Senior Secured Notes, while also repurchasing approximately 300,000 shares of stock during the same period. Page 10 outlines the key considerations behind our full year 2026 expectations, with the table on the upper left showing our estimated ammonia production and sales volumes.

Speaker #4: Adjusting for the timing of these items, free cash flow generation was consistent with our expectations. In addition to investing in our manufacturing assets in 2025, we also de-risked our balance sheet by repurchasing approximately $40 million in principal amount of our senior secured notes.

Speaker #4: While also repurchasing approximately $300,000 shares of stock during the same period. Page 10 outlines the key considerations behind our full year 2026 expectations. With the table on the upper left, showing our estimated ammonia production and sales volumes.

Speaker #4: These estimates reflect planned turnaround activity, including the previously communicated Eldorado turnaround, which we have scheduled for this second quarter. In addition, we are accelerating a turnaround at our prior location, originally scheduled for 2027, so we can proactively perform work needed to improve reliability at that site.

Cheryl Maguire: These estimates reflect planned turnaround activity, including the previously communicated El Dorado turnaround, which we have scheduled for Q2. We are accelerating a turnaround at our Pryor location, originally scheduled for 2027, so we can proactively perform work needed to improve reliability at that site. We are targeting Q3 for this turnaround. This proactive step reinforces our focus on improved plant reliability and positions the business for sustainable production performance. The impact of both turnarounds is expected to result in lost ammonia and UAN production tons in 2026 of approximately 60,000 and 50,000 tons, respectively. Despite these planned outages, we continue to expect strong underlying volume momentum, reflecting the operational improvements we've made across our facilities. The slide also covers our estimates of variable and fixed plant expenses, as well as SG&A and other expenses for 2026.

Speaker #4: We are targeting the third quarter for this turnaround. This proactive step reinforces our focus on improved plant reliability and positions the business for sustainable production performance.

Speaker #4: The impact of both turnarounds is expected to result in lost ammonia and UAN production tons in 2026 of approximately $60,000 and $50,000 tons, respectively.

Speaker #4: Despite these planned outages, we continue to expect strong underlying volume momentum, reflecting the operational improvements we've made across our facilities. The slide also covers our estimates of variable and fixed plant expenses, as well as SG&A and other expenses for 2026.

Speaker #4: Our expectations for costs reflect investments we are making to achieve our production volume goals. We expect to see costs trend down toward the end of 2026.

Cheryl Maguire: Our expectations for costs reflect investments we are making to achieve our production volume goals. We expect to see costs trend down towards the end of 2026. We expect our effective tax rate for the year to be approximately 25%. However, we do not expect to be a material cash taxpayer in 2026 as we continue to utilize our NOLs. In the table at the bottom right of the slide, you'll see that we expect to invest approximately $75 million of CapEx in our facilities during 2026. That includes $55 million for annual EH&S and reliability CapEx, and $20 million earmarked for investments, including enhanced logistics and storage capabilities for our growing AN business. Turning to Q1, a few notables. We expect strong selling prices for our products, roughly in line with Q4 of 2025.

Speaker #4: We expect our effective tax rate for the year to be approximately 25%. However, we do not expect to be a material cash taxpayer in 2026, as we continue to utilize our NOLs.

Speaker #4: In the table at the bottom right of the slide, you'll see that we expect to invest approximately $75 million of CapEx in our facilities during 2026.

Speaker #4: That includes $55 million for annual EH&S and reliability CapEx, and $20 million earmarked for investment, including enhanced logistics and storage capabilities for our growing AN business.

Speaker #4: Turning to the first quarter, a few notables. We expect strong selling prices for our products, roughly in line with the fourth quarter of 2025.

Speaker #4: Winter storm Fern drove short-term gas volatility in late January, and into February settlement and resulted in elevated gas prices for February. However, gas prices have moderated back to around $3 per MMBTU, and therefore we expect much lower realized pricing in the second quarter.

Cheryl Maguire: Winter Storm Fern drove short-term gas volatility in late January and into February settlement and resulted in elevated gas prices for February. However, gas prices have moderated back to around $3 per MMBtu, and therefore, we expect much lower realized pricing in Q2. As a result of the inflated February natural gas prices, our average gas cost for Q1 is expected to be approximately $5.50 per MMBtu. From a Q1 sales volume standpoint, we may opportunistically shift some production towards ammonium nitrate solution where market conditions warrant. As a result, UAN sales volumes could be lower, with a corresponding increase in AN volume. This reflects our ability to optimize product mix based on market conditions.

Speaker #4: As a result of the inflated February natural gas prices, our average gas cost for the first quarter is expected to be approximately $5.50 per MMBTU.

Speaker #4: From a Q1 sales volume standpoint, we may opportunistically shift some production towards ammonium nitrate solution where market conditions warrant. As a result, UAN sales volumes could be lower with a corresponding increase in AN volume.

Speaker #4: This reflects our ability to optimize product mix based on market conditions. Ahead of the scheduled turnaround at our Eldorado facility, planned for the second quarter, we plan to build ammonia inventory to support continued operation of our downstream plants during the majority of the turnaround.

Cheryl Maguire: Ahead of the scheduled turnaround at our El Dorado facility, planned for Q2, we plan to build ammonia inventory to support continued operation of our downstream plants during the majority of the turnaround. As a result, Q1 ammonia sales volumes will be impacted by approximately 15,000 tons. Overall, we expect a meaningful uplift in our Q1 earnings compared to the Q1 of 2025, and expect the earnings power of the Q1 to mirror that of the Q4 of 2025, adjusted for the temporary run-up of gas costs I previously mentioned. We have discussed our focus on upgrading and increasing amount of ammonia to capture additional margins on previous calls. Page 11 illustrates the favorable sales volume trends we're driving in our major product groups, adjusted for the impact of turnarounds.

Speaker #4: As a result, first quarter ammonia sales volumes will be impacted by approximately $15,000 tons. Overall, we expect a meaningful uplift in our first quarter earnings compared to the first quarter of 2025, and expect the earnings power of the first quarter to mirror that of the fourth quarter of 2025, adjusted for the temporary run-up of gas costs I previously mentioned.

Speaker #4: We have discussed our focus on upgrading and increasing the amount of ammonia to capture additional margins on previous calls. Page 11 illustrates the favorable sales volume trends we're driving in our major product groups, adjusted for the impact of turnarounds.

Speaker #4: The first chart shows the increase in AN and nitric acid sales volumes recognized in 2025 as a result of our reliability improvements to our downstream operations.

Cheryl Maguire: The first chart shows the increase in AN and nitric acid sales volumes recognized in 2025 as a result of our reliability improvements to our downstream operations, and the full year volume impact we expect in 2026. Similarly, the middle chart shows UAN sales volumes, which are on a steady trajectory upward after normalizing for turnaround activity in certain years. The chart on the far right shows a downward trend in ammonia sales as we continue to upgrade ammonia into higher value products. In this case, a down and to the right trend is a good thing as it results in improved margins. Page 12 highlights the value creation we've delivered over the last 24 months. Since 2023, we've captured approximately $20 million of annual EBITDA uplift, driven primarily by higher downstream production, as outlined on the previous slide.

Speaker #4: And the full-year volume impact we expect in 2026. Similarly, the middle chart shows UAN sales volumes which are on a steady trajectory upward after normalizing for turnaround activity in certain years.

Speaker #4: The chart on the far right shows a downward trend in ammonia sales, as we continue to upgrade ammonia into higher-value products. In this case, a down and to the right trend is a good thing, as it results in improved margins.

Speaker #4: Page 12 highlights the value creation we've delivered over the last 24 months since 2023. We've captured approximately $20 million of annual EBITDA uplift, driven primarily by higher downstream production as outlined on the previous slide.

Speaker #4: Additionally, we expect to achieve approximately $15 million of annual EBITDA improvement beginning in early 2027, related to our carbon capture and sequestration project at Eldorado.

Cheryl Maguire: Additionally, we expect to achieve approximately $15 million of annual EBITDA improvement beginning in early 2027, related to our carbon capture and sequestration project at El Dorado. Mark will provide an update on that later in the call. As we continue our focus on best-in-class operations, we see an additional $35 million of incremental annual EBITDA uplift ahead of us, primarily from higher production rates, numerous efficiency gains, and the continued cost optimization. In total, when complete, these efforts should yield a total of $70 million of annual EBITDA, with $20 million already captured and a further $50 million that is planned and underway. We've demonstrated our ability to deliver on these initiatives, and we see a clear path to capturing the remaining value through continued execution of numerous initiatives. Now I'll turn it back over to Mark.

Speaker #4: Mark will provide an update on that later in the call. As we continue our focus on best-in-class operations, we see an additional $35 million of incremental annual EBITDA uplift ahead of us.

Speaker #4: Primarily from higher production rates, numerous efficiency gains, and the continued cost optimization. In total, when complete, these efforts should yield a total of $70 million of annual EBITDA with $20 million already captured and a further $50 million that is planned and underway.

Speaker #4: We've demonstrated our ability to deliver on these initiatives and we see a clear path to capturing the remaining value through continued execution of numerous initiatives.

Speaker #4: And now I'll turn it back over to Mark.

Speaker #1: Thank you, Cheryl. Page 13 is a timeline for our low-carbon project at our Eldorado facility for the year. We and our partners met with senior officials from the EPA's Region 6 office in mid-December to discuss the status and timing of our Class 6 permit application.

Mark Behrman: Thank you, Cheryl. Page 13 is a timeline for our low carbon project at our El Dorado facility for the year. We and our partners met with senior officials from the EPA's Region 6 office in mid-December to discuss the status and timing of our Class VI permit application. Based on that conversation and the EPA's stated support for our project, we remain on track to begin sequestering CO2 by the end of this year or, at the latest, early next year. The milestones we expect are first, for the technical review of the permit to be completed in April of this year, followed by the permit to construct in August of this year, and lastly, the permit to inject CO2 by year-end.

Speaker #1: Based on that conversation, and the EPA's stated support for our project, we remain on track to begin sequestering CO2 by the end of this year or at the latest early next year.

Speaker #1: The milestones we expect are first for the technical review of the permit to be completed in April of this year, followed by the permit to construct in August of this year, and lastly, the permit to inject CO2 by year-end.

Speaker #1: We're excited to get strong support for our project from the EPA and look forward to partnering with them to complete the milestones this year and getting into operation.

Mark Behrman: We're excited to get strong support for our project from the EPA and look forward to partnering with them to complete the milestones this year and getting into operation. Our commercial team continues to pursue low carbon product supply opportunities, where we can generate premiums for those products, as well as the potential to sell environmental attributes that we generate. 2025 was a year of meaningful progress across several fronts. Improved production, strong commercial execution, and solid financial performance drove strong results, while our continued shift towards industrial business has reduced the earnings volatility of our business. We also took important steps to strengthen our balance sheet, including reducing our debt, all while continuing to invest in our assets and the growth of our business and returning capital to shareholders through share repurchases.

Speaker #1: Our commercial team continues to pursue low-carbon product supply opportunities, where we can generate premiums for those products, as well as the potential to sell environmental attributes that we generate.

Speaker #1: 2025 was a year of meaningful progress across several fronts. Improved production, strong commercial execution, and solid financial performance drove strong results. While our continued shift towards industrial business has reduced the earnings volatility of our business, we also took important steps to strengthen our balance sheet, including reducing our debt, all while continuing to invest in our assets and the growth of our business and returning capital to shareholders through share repurchases.

Speaker #1: We ended the year with a healthy cash position and significant financial flexibility, allowing us optionality when thinking about how we allocate capital and how will we grow our business.

Mark Behrman: We ended the year with a healthy cash position and significant financial flexibility, allowing us optionality when thinking about how we allocate capital and how will we grow our business. While we've captured meaningful margin uplift over the last several years, we are keenly focused on executing on specific initiatives that will generate an additional $50 million of annual EBITDA when complete, giving us clear line of sight to continued value creation. I'm excited about the future of our business and the opportunity for value creation. I'm encouraged by a healthy market backdrop, I'm confident that we have the right team to continue executing and creating long-lasting shareholder value.

Speaker #1: While we've captured meaningful margin uplift, we're focused on executing specific initiatives that will generate an additional $50 million of annual EBITDA when complete, giving us clear line of sight to continue value creation.

Speaker #1: I am excited about the future of our business and the opportunity for value creation I'm encouraged by a healthy market backdrop, and I am confident that we have the right team to continue executing and creating long-lasting shareholder value.

Speaker #1: Before we open it up for questions, I'd like to mention that Cheryl will be participating in the Gabelli Specialty Chemicals Conference on March 19th in New York City.

Mark Behrman: Before we open it up for questions, I'd like to mention that Cheryl will be participating in the Gabelli Specialty Chemicals Conference on March 19th in New York City, and I will be participating in a virtual conference with Granite Research on March 16th and 17th. We look forward to speaking with some of you at these events. That concludes our prepared remarks, and we will now be happy to take your questions. Thanks.

Speaker #1: And I will be participating in a virtual conference with Granite Research on March 16th and 17th. We look forward to speaking with some of you at these events.

Speaker #1: That concludes our prepared remarks, and we will now be happy to take your questions. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad.

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Speaker #3: Thank you. Good morning. So in terms of talking about the gross ammonia production, so I mean, that's sort of it's been somewhat volatile just sort of with the turnaround timing.

Lucas Beaumont: Thank you. Good morning. I just wanted to talk about the gross ammonia production. I mean, that's sort of, it's been somewhat volatile, just sort of with the turnaround timing. When we look at it on a multi-year view, it's up kind of maybe 5% on a 2-year stack. I just wanted to get your thoughts on how we should think about your ability to kind of continue to lift productivity from here going forward, and just sort of how that flows through into the remaining kind of $35 million in production improvement initiatives that you called out.

Speaker #3: But when we look at it on a multi-year view, it's up kind of maybe 5% on a two-year stack. So I just wanted to get your thoughts on how we should think about your ability to kind of continue to lift productivity from here going forward.

Speaker #3: And just sort of how that flows through into the remaining kind of 35 million in production improvement initiatives that you called out.

Speaker #1: Morning, Lucas. So I think we have a chart in our earnings presentation that is showing sales volumes, but we don't really put in a production volume chart.

Mark Behrman: Morning, Lucas. I think we have a chart in our earnings presentation that is showing sales volumes, but we don't really put in a production volume chart. I think if you look year-over-year and you normalize for any turnarounds, and you look at the outlook for this year that Cheryl's presented, I think you can see that we're continuing to go up. What we're really focused on is getting to about 875 to 880,000 tons of gross ammonia production without any turnaround. You know, we're confident that we're on the path to get there. We're seeing that year-over-year.

Speaker #1: But having said that, I think if you look year over year, and you normalize for any turnarounds, and you look at the outlook for this year that Cheryl's presented, I think you can see that we're continuing to go up.

Speaker #1: So what we would really what we're really focused on is getting to about 875 to 880 thousand tons of gross ammonia production without any turnaround.

Speaker #1: So we're confident that we're on the path to get there. We're seeing that year over year. And as far as how we should think about that, and how much of the $35 million really represents that, I'd probably say maybe about 30% to 40% of that $35 million is by having higher ammonia production rates.

Mark Behrman: As far as, you know, how should we think about that, you know, and how much of the $35 million really represents that? I'd probably say, you know, maybe about 30% to 40% of that $35 million is by having higher ammonia production rates and getting to the targets that I've outlined.

Speaker #1: And getting to the targets that I've outlined.

Speaker #3: All right. Thanks. And I guess then just looking at your non-gas cost assumptions that you sort of put out today for 2026, I mean, in aggregate, it looks like you're sort of targeting to hold those basically flat year on year, maybe even slightly down, which is a much more attractive outcome for you guys than the inflationary pressure that we've seen over the last couple of years.

Lucas Beaumont: Great, thanks. I guess, then just looking at your non-gas cost assumptions that you sort of put out today for 2026, I mean, in aggregate, it looks like you're sort of targeting to hold those basically flat year-over-year, maybe even slightly down. Which is, you know, a much more attractive outcome for you guys than the inflationary pressure that we've seen over the last couple of years. I guess, is that sort of inflation abating? Is it work you're doing to kind of keep your costs down? Where are you gonna see any swing factors there that could push you sort of higher or lower on those non-gas costs?

Speaker #3: So I guess is that sort of inflation abating? Is it work And where do you kind of see any swing factors there that could push you sort of higher or lower on those non-gas costs?

Speaker #1: Yeah. So I think what you're seeing is just a lot more efficiency with the business. And also, when we become more as we become more reliable, there's less maintenance costs.

Mark Behrman: Yeah. I think, what you're seeing is just a lot more efficiency with the business. Also, when we become more reliable, there's less maintenance costs, and so we're driving our maintenance costs down. That should continue. There is a continued expense reduction in the $35 million that we expect to capture.

Speaker #1: And so we're driving our maintenance costs down. That should continue. And there is a continued expense reduction in the 35 million dollars that we expect to capture.

Speaker #3: All right. Thanks. And then maybe just one last one on the AN market. I just wanted to get your thoughts on how, I guess, the market's responding to the supply disruption from CF at Yazda City.

Lucas Beaumont: Great, thanks. Maybe just one last one on the AN market. I just wanted to get your thoughts on how, I guess, the market's responding to the supply disruption from CF at Yazoo City. You know, what's kind of supply availability like? Is that sort of flowing through to pricing or, in your P&L, or how would you expect that given, I mean, the market's more contracted, so I should be more of sort of a lag there, and it's not as quick a transmission, but would be interested in your views. Thanks.

Speaker #3: What's kind of supply availability like? And is that sort of flowing through to pricing and your P&L? Or how would you expect that, given the I mean, the market's more contracted.

Speaker #3: So Ocean's more of sort of a lag there, and it's not as quick a transmission. But it would be interesting in your views. Thanks.

Speaker #1: Damien, you want to handle it?

Mark Behrman: Damian, you want to handle that?

Speaker #4: Yeah, good morning, Lucas. Look, I think it's really fair to say that the market is pretty tight at the moment. I mean, that's a significant production capacity that's out.

Damien Renwick: Yeah. Good morning, Lucas. Look, I think it's really fair to say that the market is pretty tight at the moment. I mean, that's a significant production capacity that's out. You know, I think the players in the market are flexing production where they can, you know, including ourselves. Where it makes sense for us, we're optimizing our plants and reducing UAN production to make more AN available. You know, we're certainly doing that where it's financially viable as well. You know, pricing for those sales is definitely above typical contract rates. You know, how long will that go on for? Look, you know, market intel sort of suggests that that will go through to the end of the year.

Speaker #4: And I think the players in the market are flexing production where they can, including ourselves. So where it makes sense for us, where we're optimizing our plants and reducing UAN production to make more AN available.

Speaker #4: And we're certainly doing that where it's financially viable as well. So pricing for those sales is definitely above typical contract rates. So how long will that go on for?

Speaker #4: Look, market intel sort of suggests that that'll go through to the end of the year. And we'll continue to try and optimize our production and capture some of those sales.

Damien Renwick: We'll continue to try and optimize our production and capture some of those sales. Also, you know, against that, you've got the backdrop of the market being pretty buoyant for AN. You know, as I said in the remarks, you've got gold and copper miners really trying to maximize their production as much as they can, and that is drawing on explosives demand, and we're seeing that in our day-to-day business. The market is really well set up this year, and we're really well positioned to take advantage of it.

Speaker #4: But also, against that, you've got the backdrop of the market being pretty buoyant for AN. So as I said in the remarks, you've got gold and copper miners really trying to maximize their production as much as they can.

Speaker #4: And that is drawing on explosives demand. And we're seeing that in our day-to-day business. So the market is really well set up this year.

Speaker #4: And we're really well positioned to take advantage of it.

Speaker #3: All right. Thanks very much.

Mark Behrman: Great. Thanks very much.

Lucas Beaumont: Great. Thanks very much.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Lawrence Alexander with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Operator: Our next question comes from Laurence Alexander with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #5: Hey. Good morning. This is Kevin Esbeck on for Lawrence. So I have a few end-market questions. Just curious to get your thoughts on basically how much of a potential tailwind in demand you could expect to receive from rising US coal production.

Kevin Estok: Hey, good morning. This is Kevin Estok on for Laurence Alexander. I have a few end market questions. Just curious to get your thoughts on basically how much of a potential tailwind in demand you could expect to receive from rising US coal production. I guess, or more simply, whether you expect US coal production to basically drive a growing share of demand for the company?

Speaker #5: I guess, or more simply, whether you expect US coal production to basically drive a growing share of demand for the company?

Speaker #3: Yeah. Hi, Kevin. Look, I think coal is probably more holding steady than increasing. I mean, there are months where you are seeing some increases in production, but that's really just a power generation mix decision that's happening with potentially high natural gas prices.

Damien Renwick: Hi, Kevin. Look, I think coal is probably more holding steady than increasing. I mean, there are months where you are seeing some increases in production, but that's really just a power generation mix decision that's happening, you know, with potentially higher natural gas prices. I think what we're seeing this year and what we saw through the end of last year, is that there's a lot of support at the moment to keep coal-fired power stations running, and that's providing a pretty solid demand backdrop for coal producers and therefore for AN. I think it's pretty constructive the way it's set up at the moment.

Speaker #3: So, I think what we're seeing this year, and what we saw through the end of last year, is that there's a lot of support at the moment to keep coal-fired power stations running.

Speaker #3: And that's providing a pretty solid demand backdrop for coal producers and therefore for AN. So I think it's pretty constructive the way it's set up at the moment.

Speaker #5: Okay. Understood. And just on fertilizers, obviously, supply continues to be broadly constrained. But I'm just curious to get more detail on maybe what you're hearing on the ground.

Kevin Estok: Okay, understood. Just on fertilizers, obviously supply continues to be broadly constrained, but I'm just curious to get more detail on maybe what you're hearing on the ground, like how you expect the demand to basically evolve in 2027, and maybe if you're hearing demand being crimped by elevated pricing.

Speaker #5: How do you expect the demand to basically evolve in '27? And maybe if you're hearing demand being crimped by elevated pricing?

Damien Renwick: Yeah, great question. You certainly correct in the market is tight, and we're seeing that for our ammonia and UAN products, and pricing is reflecting that. We would expect that to continue through the season. You know, upgrades, urea prices are getting high. Will that cause some demand destruction? Possibly around the edges, but, you know, I think with the corn acres being forecast for this year, I think demand is gonna be pretty solid, and I would expect the supply and demand balance to be really tight through the end of the year. The global dynamics also support that. You know, in ammonia at the moment, it's a very tight market. Urea, we've had sort of unseasonal, unexpected Indian tender.

Speaker #3: Yeah. Great question. Certainly, correct in the market is tight. And we're seeing that for our ammonia and UAN products. And pricing is reflecting that.

Speaker #3: And we would expect that to continue through the season. Upgrades, urea prices are getting high. Will that cause some demand destruction? Possibly around the edges.

Speaker #3: But I think with the corn acres being forecast for this year, I think demand is going to be pretty solid. And I would expect the supply and demand balance to be really tight through the end of the year.

Speaker #3: And also, the global dynamics also support that. And ammonia at the moment, it's a very tight market. Urea, we've had sort of unseasonal, unexpected Indian tender.

Damien Renwick: Brazil demand is strong. You've got supply constraints, you know, in the Middle East and Trinidad. I think the market, from a nitrogen perspective, is really constructive and tight, and we expect that to continue through the fertilizer season.

Speaker #3: Brazil demand is strong. You've got supply constraints in the Middle East and Trinidad. So I think the market from a nitrogen perspective is really constructive.

Speaker #3: And tight. And we expect that to continue through the fertilizer season.

Speaker #5: Okay. Thank you very much.

Kevin Estok: Okay, thank you very much.

Speaker #2: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from Andrew Wong with RBC Capital Markets.

Operator: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from Andrew Wong with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #2: Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #1: Hey, good morning. So, just maybe, just broader—in 2025, we saw some good progress on your main strategic priorities: better production, reliability, and more upgrade capacity.

Andrew Wong: Hey, good morning. Just maybe just broader, you know, in 2025, we saw some good progress on your main strategic priorities: better production, reliability, more upgrade capacity. There was a transition to industrial sales. A lot was done in 2025. Like, can you just talk about what your main strategic priorities are for 2026?

Speaker #1: There was a transition to industrial sales. So a lot was done in 2025. Can you just talk about what your main strategic priorities are for 2026?

Speaker #4: Sure. Good morning, Andrew. So we have a real focus to continue that momentum on the manufacturing side. While we've made a lot of improvements, our real goal is to be an upper quartile manufacturer.

Mark Behrman: Sure. Good morning, Andrew Wong. We have a real focus to continue that momentum on the manufacturing side. While we've made a lot of improvements, you know, our real goal is to be an upper quartile manufacturer. What does that mean? I mean, we wanna run our ammonia plants at 95% capacity utilization, that's the real goal. In order to do that, we've got to mature a lot of our maintenance practices and operating practices, we've also got to continue to invest some selected capital within our capital plan. A lot of the time you really need extended downtime, and that really comes to turnaround. We expect some real improvements in our operating rates down at our El Dorado facility after this extended turnaround that we have in April.

Speaker #4: So what does that mean? I mean, we want to run our ammonia plants at 95% capacity utilization, and so that's the real goal. In order to do that, we've got to mature a lot of our maintenance practices.

Speaker #4: And operating practices. But we've also got to continue to invest some selected capital within our capital plan. But a lot of the time, you really need extended downtime.

Speaker #4: And that really comes to turnaround. So we expect some real improvements in our operating rates down at our El Dorado facility after this extended turnaround that we have in April.

Speaker #4: And then again, as Cheryl mentioned, we pulled forward our prior turnaround to proactively make significant improvements there as well. So we should see some real reliability improvement coming out of that turnaround.

Mark Behrman: Again, as Cheryl Maguire mentioned, we pulled forward our Pryor turnaround to proactively make significant improvements there as well. We should see some real reliability improvement coming out of that turnaround. At the Cherokee facility, of course, we have a turnaround next year, where we'll do some work there. That's always gonna be a priority, as we try and continuously improve. Really, once we eventually get to the level of reliability that we're really looking for and that we think we can attain, then you're sort of continuing to look at efficiencies. In addition to the manufacturing side, we've still got some optimization that we'd like to do throughout our commercial operations, and we've got some opportunities that we need to look at with some customers.

Speaker #4: And then at the Cherokee facility, of course, we have a turnaround next year where we'll do some work there. So that's always going to be a priority.

Speaker #4: As we try and continuously improve and then really once we eventually get to the level of reliability that we're really looking for and that we think we can attain, then you're sort of continuing to look at efficiencies.

Speaker #4: In addition to the manufacturing side, we've still got some optimization that we'd like to do throughout our commercial operations. And we've got some opportunities that we need to look at with some customers.

Speaker #4: And so that's going to be a big focus this year as to how do we take advantage of those opportunities? And where can we selectively invest capital in the future to really take advantage of some of that demand that we can't meet today?

Mark Behrman: That's gonna be a big focus this year as to how do we take advantage of those opportunities, and where can we selectively invest capital in the future to really take advantage of some of that demand that we can't meet today. The last thing I would say is, Cheryl's talked about profit optimization. One thing that we've done is we've probably spent a little bit more, and so I think the question earlier by Lucas about expenses and seeing it sort of flatten out this year or slightly down. I think we've got to take more cost out of the business, and I think we've got some plans to do that. We've spent to improve the reliability, but once you get that reliability, now you pare back some of the expense, and that's what we'll look to do.

Speaker #4: The last thing I would say is Cheryl's talked about profit optimization. One thing that we've done is we've probably spent a little bit more.

Speaker #4: And so I think the question earlier by Lucas about expenses and seeing it sort of flatten out this year or slightly down. I think we've got to take more cost out of the business.

Speaker #4: And I think we've got some plans to do that. And we've spent to improve the reliability. But once you get that reliability, now you compare back some of the expense.

Speaker #4: And that's what we'll look to do. So those probably would be the three main sort of operating priorities. And then from a strategic standpoint, I think we've I think I'm really proud of my team that they've really done a great job in turning around this business.

Mark Behrman: Those probably would be the three main, you know, sort of operating priorities. From a strategic standpoint, I think I'm really proud of my team, that they've really done a great job in turning around this business. I think we're at a point now where it's time to grow, and whether that's organically, through some debottlenecking opportunities or some just other growth initiatives, or that's through some combination of assets or company, I think we're really focused on that.

Speaker #4: And I think we're at a point now where it's time to grow. And whether that's organically through some debottlenecking opportunities or some other growth initiatives, or that's through some combination of assets or a company, I think we're really focused on that.

Speaker #5: Okay, that's great. Thanks for that comprehensive answer. And then, just on the blue ammonia front, as the LAPIS project is kind of coming into focus and hopefully starts production by the end of this year, I'm assuming you're having some discussions on the blue ammonia with potential customers?

Andrew Wong: Okay, that's great. Thanks for that comprehensive answer. Just on the blue ammonia fronts, as the Lapis project is kind of, coming into focus and hopefully starts production by the end of this year, I'm assuming you're having some discussions on blue ammonia with potential customers. What are you seeing from a willingness to pay standpoint for that blue ammonia? Are you seeing customers willing to pay a premium for a low-carbon product?

Speaker #5: What are you seeing from a willingness to pay standpoint for that blue ammonia? And are you seeing customers willing to pay a premium for low-carbon product?

Speaker #4: Well, I'm going to start with an answer. And then I'm sure Damien's going to chime in on this. I think the market's really slow to play a premium.

Mark Behrman: Well, I'm gonna start with an answer, and then I'm sure Damian's gonna chime in on this. I think the market's really slow to pay a premium. I think you've got to work really hard to find the right customers that are willing, that it becomes important to. If you're able to export, like some of our competitors, you might be able to or you can send low-carbon ammonia to Europe, and then depending on what happens with CBAM, you might see a premium paid for that. There's still a, an if on what's gonna happen with CBAM as we sit here today.

Speaker #4: So I think you got to work really hard to find the right customers that are willing that it becomes important to. If you're able to export, like some of our competitors, you might be able to or you can send low-carbon ammonia to Europe.

Speaker #4: And then depending on what happens with CBAM, you might see a premium paid for that. And there's still an if on what's going to happen with CBAM as we sit here today.

Speaker #4: So domestically, the fact that we have a pretty large industrial business, I think, gives us an advantage when we're talking to customers that are using our products or upgraded products.

Mark Behrman: Domestically, you know, the fact that we have a pretty large industrial business, I think gives us an advantage when we're talking to customers that are using our products or upgraded products as a feedstock for some of the product. They need to work through, you know, what's the ultimate cost increase for the value that they'll receive by having a lower carbon product. It's a long-winded way of saying, I think that the market is slower to develop, to pay a premium for a low-carbon product, but there are niche opportunities that we're pursuing.

Speaker #4: As a feedstock for some of the product. And so they need to work through what's the ultimate cost increase for the value that they'll receive by having a lower carbon product.

Speaker #4: So long-winded way of saying, I think that the market is slower to develop to pay a premium for a low-carbon product. But there are niche opportunities that we're pursuing.

Mark Behrman: I think, you know, we do believe that over time, people and the market will develop, and people will pay a premium, but I don't think it's going to happen as fast as everyone thought, you know, if the question was asked a couple of years ago.

Speaker #4: And I think we do believe that over time, people and the market will develop. And people will pay a premium. But I don't think it's going to happen as fast as everyone thought if the question was asked a couple of years ago.

Speaker #5: Yeah. I would concur with that. I mean, certainly, domestically, it's been slower going particularly as you've seen some uncertainty around decarbonization and the energy transition here in the US.

Damien Renwick: Yeah, I would concur with that. I mean, certainly domestically, it's been slower going, particularly as you've seen some uncertainty around, you know, decarbonization and the energy transition here in the US. The story still is positive, I think, globally. As Mark said, you've got opportunities if you can export to secure premiums, be it into Europe, under the CBAM regulation or even into other emerging markets. It is, the market, I think, is still immature and has been slower to develop than we'd all want and expect. Yeah, that's where we stand today.

Speaker #5: But the story still is positive, I think, globally. And as Mark said, you've got opportunities if you can export to secure premiums. Be it into Europe under the CBAM regulation or even into other emerging markets.

Speaker #5: But it is the market, I think, is still immature. we'd all want and expect. So yeah, that's where we stand today. Given there's more opportunities in the export market, is it possible for you to do some sort of swapping maybe to access that export market?

Andrew Wong: Given there's more opportunities in the export market, is it possible for you to do some sort of swapping, maybe, to access the export market?

Speaker #4: Yeah. Look, we continue to evaluate all opportunities for us to be able to export our product including swaps or some sort of physical transaction.

Damien Renwick: Yeah. Look, we continue to evaluate all opportunities for us to be able to export our product, including swaps or some sort of physical transaction. Yeah, it's all on the table.

Speaker #4: So yeah, it's all on the table.

Speaker #5: Okay. Great. Appreciate it.

Andrew Wong: Okay, great. Appreciate it.

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Rob McGuire with Granite Research. Please proceed with your question.

Mark Behrman: Our next question comes from Rob McGuire with Granite Research. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #6: Good morning. Few questions. One is on AN. Can you give us an idea of how much your sales volume was under contract exiting in 2025?

Rob McGuire: Good morning. A few questions. One is on AN. Can you give us an idea of how much your sales volume was under contract exiting in 2025? If you do shift production towards AN this year, will you try to lock that up under contract?

Speaker #6: And if you do ship production towards AN this year, will you try to lock that up under contract?

Speaker #4: Yeah. Good morning, Rob. Look, our AN stable steady AN business, the base business, is all under contract. And we work to make sure that that's the case and only a small amount really is spot.

Damien Renwick: Yeah. Good morning, Rob. Look, our AN, our stable, steady AN business, the base business, is all under contract, and we work to make sure that that's the case, and only a small amount really is spot. What we're doing at the moment is really tweaking the product balance to maximize and produce more AN, and we're doing that by reducing our UAN production and putting it into the AN market. That's all under spot. There's a multitude of conversations going on with customers around whether they turn into longer-term arrangements or not. I mean, it's a very fluid market.

Speaker #4: But what we're doing at the moment is really tweaking the product balance to maximize and produce more AN. And we're doing that by reducing our UAN production and putting it into the AN market.

Speaker #4: So and that's all under spot. And there's a multitude of conversations going on with customers around whether they turn into longer-term arrangements or not.

Speaker #4: I mean, it's a very fluid market.

Speaker #6: Thank you, Damien. And then shifting to the turnarounds, can you tell us when you expect Cherokee to take place in 2027? And then on El Dorado, will you be able to build inventory and continue downstream production during the April turnaround this year?

Rob McGuire: Thank you, Damien. Shifting to the turnarounds, can you tell us when you expect Cherokee to take place in 2027? On El Dorado, will you be able to build inventory and continue downstream production during the April turnaround this year?

Speaker #1: Yeah. Good morning, Rob. So on the El Dorado turnaround, the plan is to build ammonia in the first quarter. So that we are ramped up on ammonia in inventory heading into that turnaround, which, yes, should allow us for the most part to run all downstream plants through that turnaround.

Andrew Wong: Yeah. Good morning, Rob. On the El Dorado turnaround, the plan is to build ammonia in Q1 so that we are.

Cheryl Maguire: ...ramped up on ammonia in inventory heading into that turnaround, which, yes, should allow us, for the most part, to run all downstream plants, through that turnaround. With respect to Cherokee, the Cherokee turnaround right now, I believe, is slated for the Q3 of 2027.

Speaker #1: With respect to Cherokee, the Cherokee turnaround right now, I believe, is slated for the third quarter of 2027.

Speaker #6: Thank you. And then, on import volumes, have U.S. import volumes or buying patterns shifted since fertilizer tariffs were lifted in the fourth quarter?

Rob McGuire: Thank you. On import volumes, have US import volumes or buying patterns shifted since fertilizer tariffs were lifted in Q4?

Speaker #4: I think it's too early to tell. Rob, I mean, the market is short here. And you're going to see some import tons come into the market to try and correct for that.

Damien Renwick: I think it's too early to tell, Rob. I mean, you know, the market is short here, you're gonna see some import tons come into the market to try and correct for that. I think that's more just a response to the US market rather than tariffs.

Speaker #4: But I think that's more just a response to the US market, per se, rather than tariffs. I would say that imports have never stopped coming in here.

Mark Behrman: I would say that, imports have never stopped coming in here. Right? There's the demand, and people of different production points have found a home into the US. I think with the tariffs being lifted, I don't know that you're necessarily gonna see more imports coming in. I think you could see different imports from different locations coming in.

Speaker #4: Right? So there's the demand. And people have different production points have found a home into the US. I think with the tariffs being lifted, I don't know that you're necessarily going to see more imports coming in.

Speaker #4: I think you could see different imports from different locations coming in.

Speaker #6: Thank you. And then, I'm not sure who can answer this question. But on farmer economics, there's been a lot of media focus on just the stress in the ag sector.

Rob McGuire: Thank you. I'm not sure who can answer this question, but on farmer economics, there's been a lot of media focus on just the stress in the ag sector. I'm just wondering how you view the current farmer economics, you know, do you anticipate that softer farm incomes impacting demand or ordering behavior this year?

Speaker #6: And I'm just wondering how you view the current farmer economics and do you anticipate that softer farm incomes impacting demand or ordering behavior this year?

Speaker #5: Yeah, so good question. And there's no doubt that when you look at farm economics and you look at lots of folks that are smarter than us, that really understand the economics, that the farmers are under some level of stress today.

Mark Behrman: Yeah. Good question. There's no doubt that when you look at farm economics, and you look at lots of folks that are smarter than us, that really understand the economics, that the farmer is under some level of stress today. Therefore, you saw the U.S. government do a $12 billion, you know, sort of payment package. I think when you take a step back and, you know, we spend a lot of time really thinking about this and talking about it, and the industry really focuses on, you know, what can we do to help the situation? The reality is, it's really a supply and demand for commodities. Right now, we had a record corn crop that was planted, and inventories are pretty high.

Speaker #5: And therefore, you saw the US government do a $12 billion sort of payment package. I think when you take a step back and we spend a lot of time really thinking about this and talking about it.

Speaker #5: And the industry really focuses on what do we what can we do to help this situation? But the reality is it's really a supply and demand for commodities.

Speaker #5: And so right now, we had a record corn crop that was planted. And inventories are pretty high. And why did that happen? That happened because demand for soybeans particularly soybeans that are exported has gone down pretty dramatically.

Mark Behrman: Why did that happen? That happened because demand for soybeans, particularly, soybeans that are exported, has gone down pretty dramatically. When you think about, you know, the demand for both of those crops, which are the two largest crops for nitrogen use and two largest crops that are planted here in the US, there needs to be more demand created, one, for soy. The US government needs to help probably with that to create more demand. Also, you know, demand's gonna drive corn prices as well. There's a lot of talk about permanently going to E15. If that were to happen, that obviously would increase ethanol demand for corn pretty dramatically.

Speaker #5: And so when you think about the demand for both of those crops, which are the two largest crops for nitrogen use and two largest crops that are planted here in the US, there needs to be more demand created, one, for soy.

Speaker #5: And so the U.S. government needs to help, probably, with that to create more demand, but also demand is going to drive corn prices as well.

Speaker #5: And so there's a lot of talk about permanently going to E15. And if that were to happen, that obviously would increase ethanol demand for corn pretty dramatically.

Speaker #5: And so I think ultimately, we need to figure out a way to create more demand for our two largest commodities. And therefore, that'll lift some of the pricing for those products and then put less stress on the farmer.

Mark Behrman: I think ultimately, we need to figure out a way to create more demand, for our two largest commodities, and therefore, that'll lift some of the pricing for those products and then put less stress on the farmer.

Speaker #6: Thanks, Mark. I have no further questions.

Rob McGuire: Thanks, Mark. I have no further questions.

Speaker #1: We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Mark Berman for closing comments.

Operator: We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Mark Behrman for closing comments.

Speaker #5: Thank you. I want to thank everyone for participating on the call. I'm really proud of the quarter and the year that we just posted.

Mark Behrman: Thank you. I want to thank everyone for participating on the call. I'm really proud of the quarter and the year that we just posted, and we're really excited about 2026 and think we'll make a lot of great progress. Again, if there's any follow-up questions, feel free to call Cheryl or myself. Thanks so much.

Speaker #5: And we're really excited about 2026 and think we'll make a lot of great progress. So again, if there's any follow-up questions, feel free to call Cheryl or myself.

Speaker #5: Thanks so much.

Operator: This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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