Q4 2025 Red Robin Gourmet Burgers Inc Earnings Call

February 25, 2026

Speaker #1: Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Red Robin Gourmet Burgers Inc. fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. This conference is being recorded. During management's presentation, and in response to your questions, they will be making forward-looking statements about the company's business outlook and expectations.

Speaker #1: These forward-looking statements and all other statements that are not historical facts reflect management's beliefs and predictions as of today, and therefore are subject to risk and uncertainties as described in the company's SEC filings.

Speaker #1: Management will also discuss non-GAAP financial measures as part of today's conference call. These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles but are intended to illustrate alternative measures of the company's operating performance that may be useful.

Speaker #1: Reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the earnings release. The company has posted its fourth quarter 2025 earnings release on its website at ir.redrobin.com.

Speaker #1: Now, I would like to turn the call over to Red Robin's President and Chief Executive Officer, Dave Pace.

Speaker #2: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for your interest in Red Robin. As we close out 2025, our fourth quarter results reflect the steady momentum we're building as we execute against our first-choice plan.

Speaker #2: We introduced this plan in the second quarter of 2025 to focus our priorities and outline how we intend to strengthen our competitive position and improve our overall performance.

Speaker #2: Today, I'll provide an update on our progress against its key pillars, and how we intend to build on that progress in 2026. Before I get into the details, let me begin with some context around our full year and fourth quarter sales performance.

Speaker #2: For the full year, comp sales were down 0.3%, excluding the impact of deferred loyalty revenue. This included a 3.5% increase in average check, offset by a 3.8% decrease in traffic.

Speaker #2: Our traffic improved in the back half of the year as we rolled off 2024 pricing actions and saw traction with our Big Yum value offering.

Speaker #2: For the fourth quarter, comp sales were down 3.3%, excluding deferred loyalty revenue. This included a 0.3% increase in average check and a 3.6% decline in traffic.

Speaker #2: Now, like the broader industry, we saw things soften in October and November relative to where we exited the third quarter. In addition, we made the intentional decision to shift marketing spend into December to maximize reach during the holiday season.

Speaker #2: That strategy proved effective, increased support behind our Big Yum value offering, and our holiday promotions drove a notable inflection in December, as we outpaced the Black Box Intelligence casual dining index in traffic for the first time since the third quarter of 2024.

Speaker #2: Encouragingly, momentum continued into January. We're traffic was positive, before weather events starting in late January with winter storm Fern have made results choppy in subsequent weeks.

Speaker #2: On profitability, we exceeded our expectations for both restaurant-level margin and adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter. Full-year adjusted EBITDA of 69.7 million, represented 53% growth over 2024.

Speaker #2: And our LOP margin grew by 190 basis points. Importantly, we achieved this result with only modest pricing in 2025. For perspective, in the fourth quarter, net pricing contributed just 1.6% to results.

Speaker #2: Underscoring that our performance improvement is increasingly being driven by a stronger consumer proposition and improved operating efficiency. With that context, let me walk through our progress against each pillar of the First-Choice Plan and our strategic priorities for 2026.

Speaker #2: First, let's start with hold-serve. Our hold-serve pillar requires that we sustain the progress that we make each quarter, and then extend that improvement even further as we move forward.

Speaker #2: During the fourth quarter, our labor efficiency initiatives contributed approximately 180 basis points to restaurant-level margin. These gains were consistent throughout the year and were a primary driver of a 250 basis point reduction in total labor costs for 2025.

Speaker #2: Importantly, we achieved these efficiencies while maintaining our guest satisfaction scores demonstrating that productivity and hospitality can coexist. These improvements also reflect the increased accountability and ownership embedded in our managing partner model, which rewards our partners for improvements that they drive in restaurant-level profitability.

Speaker #2: This leads me to our next pillar, which is our drive traffic initiative. As noted earlier, we saw industry outperformance in December. We believe this improvement is driven by two primary factors.

Speaker #2: One, the power of our Big Yum Burger offer; and two, our improvements in how we market and message to our guests. First, our $9.99 Big Yum value offer continues to resonate.

Speaker #2: Within our dining channel, it delivered a 10% guest mix in the fourth quarter, strengthening our relevance with value-seeking guests and supporting incremental traffic and trial.

Speaker #2: Building on that success, we expanded our platform with the January 26 launch of our new menu, integrating additional Big Yum deals directly into our core offering.

Speaker #2: This expanded platform now features six meal options across a tiered price range of $9.99 to $16.99, extending beyond burgers into categories such as our hand-breaded classic crispy chicken sandwiches, Donato's pizza, and Whiskey River barbecue wraps.

Speaker #2: Importantly, each meal includes our signature bottomless sides and beverages, reinforcing value while preserving the full Red Robin experience. The new menu also broadens our premium offerings, creating a deliberate barbell approach that balances compelling value with higher-priced indulgent options to expand guest choice across day parts and occasions.

Speaker #2: Early results indicate that the menu is performing as expected, and that average check has increased and remains healthy as guests engage across the menu.

Speaker #2: The second key driver of our fourth-quarter traffic improvement was the deployment of incremental investment behind the data-driven, first-choice marketing strategy we initially introduced in Q3.

Speaker #2: This strategy enables us to engage guests more personally and precisely, than traditional broad-based campaigns. We've now mapped every restaurant across six to eight competitive categories and clustered locations based on similar trade area dynamics and messaging needs.

Operator: Good afternoon, everyone, welcome to the Red Robin Gourmet Burgers, Inc. Q4 2025 Earnings Call. This conference is being recorded. During management presentation and in response to your questions, they will be making forward-looking statements about the company's business outlook and expectations. These forward-looking statements and all other statements that are not historical facts reflect management's beliefs and predictions as of today, and therefore are subject to risks and uncertainties as described in the company's SEC filings. Management will also discuss non-GAAP financial measures as part of today's conference call. These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, but are intended to illustrate alternative measures of the company's operating performance that may be useful. Reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the earnings release.

Speaker #2: This analysis supports more focused and locally relevant messaging, allowing each restaurant to compete more effectively within its specific market. In short, we continue to transition from a broad one-size-fits-all approach to a marketing model that is more precise, more disciplined, and more efficient, by ensuring that the right message reaches the right guests at the right time, improving the overall return on our marketing spend.

Speaker #2: The third pillar of our first-choice strategy is find money. As discussed last quarter, our corporate efficiency actions have meaningfully reduced general administrative expenses and those savings will continue to benefit us in 2026.

Operator: These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, but are intended to illustrate alternative measures of the company's operating performance that may be useful. Reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the earnings release. The company has posted its Q4 2025 earnings release on its website at ir.redrobin.com. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Red Robin's President and Chief Executive Officer, David Pace.

Speaker #2: For perspective, excluding stock-based comp, we reduced G&A by over $4 million in 2025 and expect to have a similar step down in 2026, driven by the efficiency initiative implemented in the middle of 2025.

Operator: The company has posted its Q4 2025 earnings release on its website at ir.redrobin.com. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Red Robin's President and Chief Executive Officer, David Pace.

Speaker #2: With respect to our work to strengthen our balance sheet and capital structure, we continue to progress on tactical refranchising as a key enabler to this initiative.

Speaker #2: As previously communicated, we plan to use proceeds from any completed transactions to reduce debt and further strengthen our balance sheet. We're encouraged by the interest level expressed and the progression of discussions to date.

Dave Pace: Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for your interest in Red Robin. As we close out 2025, our Q4 results reflect the steady momentum we're building as we execute against our First Choice plan. We introduced this plan in the Q2 of 2025 to focus our priorities and outline how we intend to strengthen our competitive position and improve our overall performance. Today, I'll provide an update on our progress against its key pillars and how we intend to build on that progress in 2026. Before I get into the details, let me begin with some context around our full year and Q4 sales performance. For the full year, comp sales were down 0.3%, excluding the impact of deferred loyalty revenue.

Speaker #2: We remain confident that we will achieve our targeted capital structure objectives. Unrelated to our work to reduce debt, but as further reflection of franchisee confidence in our system improvements, three of our current franchise groups have indicated that they're currently pursuing new unit development opportunities within their territories.

Speaker #2: With respect to overall refinancing efforts, our improved financial performance has strengthened our liquidity position, and, along with our progress on refranchising, is expected to expand our options to improve our capital structure.

Dave Pace: This included a 3.5% increase in average check, offset by a 3.8% decrease in traffic. Our traffic improved in the back half of the year as we rolled off 2024 pricing actions and saw traction with our Big Yummm value offering. For Q4, comp sales were down 3.3%, excluding deferred loyalty revenue. This included a 0.3% increase in average check and a 3.6% decline in traffic. Now, like the broader industry, trends softened in October and November relative to where we exited Q3. In addition, we made the intentional decision to shift marketing spend into December to maximize reach during the holiday season. That strategy proved effective.

Speaker #2: We continue to work with our advisors to advance this process and expect to refinance our debt consistent with our previously outlined objectives. Additionally, as a result of improved business performance and further progress in our refranchising work, we no longer believe that we need to preserve the option to conduct an at-the-market equity offering and so we have terminated the ATM program announced last November.

Speaker #2: No shares were issued under that program before it was terminated. Turning to our Fixed Restaurants pillar, in 2025, we completed 20 light-touch refreshes to help our physical environment maintain competitive standards and reflect the quality of our food and service.

Speaker #2: Our 2026 capital plan allocates additional investment toward restaurant refreshes. We plan to resume refresh activity later in the first quarter, continuing a disciplined, light-touch approach designed to maximize guest impact.

Dave Pace: Increased support behind our Big Yummm value offering and our holiday promotions drove a notable inflection in December as we outpaced the Black Box Intelligence Casual Dining Index in traffic for the first time since the Q3 2024. Encouragingly, momentum continued into January, where traffic was positive before weather events starting in late January with Winter Storm Fern, have made results choppy in subsequent weeks. On profitability, we exceeded our expectations for both restaurant-level margin and adjusted EBITDA in the Q4. Full year adjusted EBITDA of $69.7 million represented 53% growth over 2024, and RLP margin grew by 190 basis points. Importantly, we achieved this result with only modest pricing in 2025. For perspective-...

Speaker #2: In addition to our facility refreshes, we begin to roll out replacement devices for our server handheld technology, and we'll also introduce an upgraded version of our ZOS tabletop devices.

Speaker #2: We believe that both of these actions will improve server efficiency, order accuracy, and speed of service, returning the gift of time benefit that Red Robin has historically been known for.

Speaker #2: In the 10 months I've served as CEO, what stands out most for me is the growing sense of ownership and pride across our restaurants.

Speaker #2: Our team members are not simply executing initiatives; they are owning the challenge, putting guests at the front of everything we do, and actively contributing ideas that have improved operations and enhanced the guest experience.

Dave Pace: In Q4, net pricing contributed just 1.6% to results, underscoring that our performance improvement is increasingly being driven by a stronger consumer proposition and improved operating efficiency. With that context, let me walk through our progress against each pillar of the First Choice Plan and our strategic priorities for 2026. First, let's start with hold serve. Our hold serve pillar requires that we sustain the progress that we make each quarter, and then extend that improvement even further as we move forward. During Q4, our labor efficiency initiatives contributed approximately 180 basis points to restaurant-level margin. These gains were consistent throughout the year and were a primary driver of a 250 basis point reduction in total labor costs for 2025.

Speaker #2: It's also important that we continue to challenge the status quo and identify insights and potential competitive advantages that will enhance our ability to differentiate ourselves in the marketplace.

Speaker #2: With that in mind, in the fourth quarter, we launched an enterprise version of the ChatGPT AI platform. Since our launch, we're seeing expanding utilization across the organization, with tangible results.

Speaker #2: We're now in the process of introducing it to our managing partners, along with custom GPT tools, and we're already seeing adoption and application that are assisting our managing partners in further optimizing labor costs, COGS, and guest service.

Speaker #2: The overall impact of our investments in our teams is tangible. Hourly turnover is now at its lowest level since 2017, and engagement scores continue to improve.

Dave Pace: Importantly, we achieved these efficiencies while maintaining our guest satisfaction scores, demonstrating that productivity and hospitality can coexist. These improvements also reflect the increased accountability and ownership embedded in our managing partner model, which rewards our partners for improvements that they drive in restaurant-level profitability. This leads me to our next pillar, which is our drive traffic initiative. As noted earlier, we saw industry outperformance in December. We believe this improvement is driven by two primary factors: one, the power of our Big Yummm burger offer, and two, our improvements in how we market and message to our guests. First, our $9.99 Big Yummm value offer continues to resonate. Within our dine-in channel, it delivered 10% guest mix in Q4, strengthening our relevance with value-seeking guests and supporting incremental traffic and trial.

Speaker #2: This translates directly into how we serve our guests and support one another. As we look ahead, we'll remain focused on creating environments where great people can build meaningful and rewarding long-term careers.

Speaker #2: To our entire Red Robin team, thank you for your continued commitment to our guests and to each other. The foundation we're building together positions us well to be able to capture the opportunities ahead.

Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn the call over to Chris to review our fourth quarter results.

Speaker #1: Thanks, Dave, and good afternoon, everyone. I would like to start by providing a recap of our financial performance for the fiscal fourth quarter of 2025.

Speaker #1: Total revenues in Q4 were $269 million, a decrease of $16.2 million from 2024. This change in revenue was primarily due to a decrease in comp sales and the impact of restaurant closures.

Speaker #1: Comp sales, excluding the impact of deferred loyalty revenue, were down 3.3% in Q4. Including deferred loyalty revenue, comp sales were down 3.1%. This result was in line with the expectations we discussed in our last earnings call.

Dave Pace: Building on mixed success, we expanded our platform with the 26 January launch of our new menu, integrating additional Big Yummm deals directly into our core offering. This expanded platform now features six meal options across a tiered price range of $9.99 to $16.99, extending beyond burgers into categories such as our hand-breaded classic crispy chicken sandwiches, Donatos pizza, and Whiskey River barbecue wraps. Importantly, each meal includes our signature bottomless sides and beverages, reinforcing value while preserving the full Red Robin experience. The new menu also broadens our premium offerings, creating a deliberate barbell approach that balances compelling value with higher-priced indulgent options to expand guest choice across day parts and occasions. Early results indicate that the menu is performing as expected, and that average check has increased and remains healthy as guests engage across the menu.

Speaker #1: Q4 comp sales included a 0.3% increase in average check, offset by a 3.6% decline in traffic. As it relates to other aspects of our Q4 financial performance, restaurant-level operating margin was 11.4%, a decrease of 10 basis points compared to the fourth quarter of 2024.

Speaker #1: The benefits of cost savings, restaurant closures, and check average increases were offset by inflation and lower traffic. General and administrative costs were 14.9 million as compared to 18.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2024.

Speaker #1: The reduction is primarily due to reduced people costs from our corporate efficiency initiatives and lower stock-based compensation expense. Selling expenses were $8.8 million as compared to $5.7 million in the fourth quarter of 2024.

Speaker #1: Adjusted EBITDA was $11.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2025, a decrease of $2.6 million versus the fourth quarter of 2024. This result was ahead of expectations we discussed on our last earnings call.

Dave Pace: The second key driver of our Q4 traffic improvement was the deployment of incremental investment behind the data-driven First Choice marketing strategy we initially introduced in Q3. This strategy enables us to engage guests more personally and precisely than traditional broad-based campaigns. We've now mapped every restaurant across six to eight competitive categories and clustered locations based on similar trade area dynamics and messaging needs. This analysis supports more focused and locally relevant messaging, allowing each restaurant to compete more effectively within its specific market. In short, we continue to transition from a broad one-size-fits-all approach to a marketing model that is more precise, more disciplined, and more efficient by ensuring that the right message reaches the right guests at the right time, improving the overall return on our marketing spend. The third pillar of our First Choice strategy is find money.

Speaker #1: We finished 2025 with 69.7 million of adjusted EBITDA, which represented 53% growth over 2024. As it relates to our balance sheet and capital structure, we ended the fourth quarter with 19.9 million of cash and cash equivalents, 9.6 million of restricted cash, and 37 million available borrowing capacity under our revolving line of credit.

Speaker #1: Our strong results in 2025 have improved our liquidity and positioned us well heading into 2026. Turning to our outlook, we will now provide the following guidance for 2026.

Speaker #1: First, we expect comparable restaurant revenues to be between 0.5% and 1.5%, excluding the impact of deferred loyalty revenue. Second, restaurant-level operating profit margin of approximately 13%.

Dave Pace: As discussed last quarter, our corporate efficiency actions have meaningfully reduced general and administrative expenses, and those savings will continue to benefit us in 2026. For perspective, excluding stock-based comp, we reduced G&A by over $4 million in 2025 and expect to have a similar step down in 2026, driven by the efficiency initiatives implemented in the middle of 2025. With respect to our work to strengthen our balance sheet and capital structure, we continue to progress on tactical refranchising as a key enabler to this initiative. As previously communicated, we plan to use proceeds from any completed transactions to reduce debt and further strengthen our balance sheet. We're encouraged by the interest level expressed and the progression of discussions to date. We remain confident that we will achieve our targeted capital structure objectives.

Speaker #1: Third, we expect adjusted EBITDA of between $70 million and $73 million. And finally, we expect capital expenditures to be between $25 million and $30 million.

Speaker #1: Our financial guidance suggests that we expect to make progress in 2026 across all of our key financial metrics. In summary, we are pleased with our financial performance in 2025.

Speaker #1: We have made significant progress towards increasing restaurant-level profitability, reducing debt, and growing EBITDA. We will remain disciplined in executing against the first-choice plan in 2026 and continue strengthening the operational and financial foundation of the company.

Speaker #1: Dave, I will now turn the call back to you.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Chris. As we look ahead to 2026, I'm confident that the progress we've made across each pillar of our first-choice plan positions us well for continued performance improvement.

Dave Pace: Unrelated to our work to reduce debt, as further reflection of franchisee confidence in our system improvements, three of our current franchise groups have indicated that they're currently pursuing new unit development opportunities within their territories. With respect to overall refinancing efforts, our improved financial performance has strengthened our liquidity position, and along with our progress on refranchising, is expected to expand our options to improve our capital structure. We continue to work with our advisors to advance this process and expect to refinance our debt consistent with our previously outlined objectives. Additionally, as a result of improved business performance and further progress in our refranchising work, we no longer believe that we need to preserve the option to conduct an at-the-market equity offering, we have terminated the ATM program announced last November. No shares were issued under that program before it was terminated.

Speaker #2: Our December results, where we outpaced the black box casual dining traffic index, reinforces that when we execute with precision, combining compelling value, targeted marketing, and exceptional hospitality, we can compete effectively.

Speaker #2: Our menu enhancements launched in January give our guests expanded options at both ends of the menu and across day parts and occasions. And we have a robust new product pipeline that we will introduce throughout the year.

Speaker #2: Simultaneously, our ability to continually refine and focus our marketing messaging and spend means that we can confidently reach our guests where they are in the most efficient way possible.

Speaker #2: Our capital structure initiatives are progressing in line with our plan. We expect the combination of tactical refranchising and refinancing to strengthen our balance sheet and provide the flexibility needed to continue investing in our people, restaurants, and technology.

Dave Pace: Turning to our fixed restaurants pillar, in 2025, we completed 20 light touch refreshes to help our physical environment maintain competitive standards and reflects the quality of our food and service. Our 2026 capital plan allocates additional investment toward restaurant refreshes. We plan to resume refresh activity later in the Q1, continuing a disciplined, light touch approach designed to maximize guest impact. In addition to our facility refreshes, we begin to roll out replacement devices for our server handheld technology. We'll also introduce an upgraded version of our Ziosk tabletop devices. We believe that both of these actions will improve server efficiency, order accuracy, and speed of service, returning the gift of time benefit that Red Robin has historically been known for.

Speaker #2: Further announcements will be made as we achieve significant milestones on that journey. While there's much work ahead, our team is focused and committed to building a Red Robin that guests choose first, team members are proud to work at, and shareholders can rely on for sustainable returns.

Speaker #2: With that, we're happy to take your questions. Operator, please open the lines.

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Speaker #3: One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Thank you. Our first question is from Todd Brooks with Benchmark StoneX.

Dave Pace: In the 10 months I've served as CEO, what stands out most for me is the growing sense of ownership and pride across our restaurants. Our team members are not simply executing initiatives, they are owning the challenge, putting guests at the front of everything we do, and actively contributing ideas that have improved operations and enhanced the guest experience. It's also important that we continue to challenge the status quo and identify insights and potential competitive advantages that will enhance our ability to differentiate ourselves in the marketplace. With that in mind, in Q4, we launched an enterprise version of the ChatGPT AI platform. Since our launch, we're seeing expanding utilization across the organization with tangible results.

Speaker #1: Hey, thanks for taking my question, and congrats on the inflection of the business in the second half of last year, guys.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Todd.

Speaker #1: Two quick questions. One, kind of a block-and-tackle, but within the 50-basis-point to up 150-basis-point same-store sales guidance for '26. Thoughts on pricing?

Speaker #1: I think you said you were running about 1.6% price in Q4. What kind of pricing assumption is baked into that guidance for same-store sales?

Speaker #2: Yeah. Hey, Todd. It's Chris. So we took a 3.2% menu price increase when we rolled out our new menu at the end of January.

Speaker #2: We didn't have a whole lot of carryover from last year, so we're expecting that to carry through for the full year. So the full-year pricing impact this year will probably be about 3.2% as well.

Dave Pace: We're now in the process of introducing it to our managing partners, along with custom GPT tools, and are already seeing adoption and application that assist our managing partners in further optimizing labor costs, COGS, and guest service. The overall impact of our investments in our teams is tangible. Hourly turnover is now at its lowest level since 2017, and engagement scores continue to improve. This translates directly into how we serve our guests and support one another. As we look ahead, we'll remain focused on creating an environment where great people can build meaningful and rewarding long-term careers. To our entire Red Robin team, thank you for your continued commitment to our guests and to each other. The foundation we're building together positions us well to be able to capture the opportunities ahead. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chris to review our Q4 results.

Speaker #1: Perfect. Thank you. And then more of a strategic question, but it sounds like the micro-targeted marketing has been a real revelation. For you all, can you I know we're a couple of quarters into that, but can you walk us through how far through the process of really implementing that with kind of a full-year plan behind it?

Speaker #1: And any thoughts? I know selling expense was up in Q4 versus prior year, but for the full year, there was some efficiency around selling expense.

Speaker #1: So any color you can give on the selling expense plan needed in 2026 to support the micro-targeted marketing efforts? Thanks.

Speaker #2: Yeah. Thanks, Todd. It's a pretty holistic shift in the way we're approaching marketing. So not only is it a change in the absolute spend, but it's been a change in the efficiency of it and the allocation of working versus non-working dollars.

Chris: Thanks, Dave, and good afternoon, everyone. I would like to start by providing a recap of our financial performance for the fiscal Q4 of 2025. Total revenues in Q4 were $269 million, a decrease of $16.2 million from 2024. This change in revenue was primarily due to a decrease in comp sales and the impact of restaurant closures. Comp sales, excluding the impact of deferred loyalty revenue, were down 3.3% in Q4. Including deferred loyalty revenue, comp sales were down 3.1%. This result was in line with the expectations we discussed in our last earnings call. Q4 comp sales included a 0.3% increase in average check, offset by a 3.6% decline in traffic.

Chris Meyer: Thanks, Dave, and good afternoon, everyone. I would like to start by providing a recap of our financial performance for the fiscal Q4 of 2025. Total revenues in Q4 were $269 million, a decrease of $16.2 million from 2024. This change in revenue was primarily due to a decrease in comp sales and the impact of restaurant closures. Comp sales, excluding the impact of deferred loyalty revenue, were down 3.3% in Q4. Including deferred loyalty revenue, comp sales were down 3.1%. This result was in line with the expectations we discussed in our last earnings call. Q4 comp sales included a 0.3% increase in average check, offset by a 3.6% decline in traffic.

Speaker #2: So we're able to put a lot more working dollars to work, to just that point. I'd say we are probably I'm saying two-thirds of the way through the implementation of this.

Speaker #2: I mean, the stuff that I referenced in the remarks around clustering, identifying competitive groups, understanding trade area dynamics, and then allocating messaging priorities to each of those, we've got those in place.

Speaker #2: We're kind of putting them in action and trying to understand, then, what's the response? So as we see these responses, we'll continue to reallocate among those clusters.

Speaker #2: So if we see something that's not showing the elasticity that we think it should, we'll try it and move it to another cluster. So I'd say we're two-thirds into the implementation, but we still have a little bit to go.

Chris: As it relates to other aspects of our Q4 financial performance, restaurant-level operating margin was 11.4%, a decrease of 10 basis points compared to Q4 2024. The benefits of cost savings, restaurant closures, and check average increases were offset by inflation and lower traffic. General and Administrative costs were $14.9 million as compared to $18.4 million in Q4 2024. The reduction is primarily due to reduced people costs from our corporate efficiency initiatives and lower stock-based compensation expense. Selling expenses were $8.8 million, as compared to $5.7 million in Q4 2024. adjusted EBITDA was $11.8 million in Q4 2025, a decrease of $2.6 million versus Q4 2024.

Chris Meyer: As it relates to other aspects of our Q4 financial performance, restaurant-level operating margin was 11.4%, a decrease of 10 basis points compared to Q4 2024. The benefits of cost savings, restaurant closures, and check average increases were offset by inflation and lower traffic. General and Administrative costs were $14.9 million as compared to $18.4 million in Q4 2024. The reduction is primarily due to reduced people costs from our corporate efficiency initiatives and lower stock-based compensation expense. Selling expenses were $8.8 million, as compared to $5.7 million in Q4 2024. adjusted EBITDA was $11.8 million in Q4 2025, a decrease of $2.6 million versus Q4 2024.

Speaker #1: Yeah. And the only thing I would add as it relates to 2026 is if we continue to see success that we've seen, we have the agility to deploy more dollars against the full-year thought.

Speaker #1: And I think right now the expectation is that we will be up in selling expense in 2026 relative to 2025. And I think I can go so far as to say that we would expect to be up in each quarter.

Speaker #1: Particularly given the success that we've seen here late in Q4 and early in Q1.

Speaker #3: Okay. Thanks for the color. Appreciate it.

Speaker #2: Yep.

Speaker #3: Our next question is from Jeremy Hamlin with Craig Hallam.

Speaker #4: Thanks. And I'll add my congratulations on the improved profitability last year. I wanted to start with thinking about the same-store sales guidance for the year.

Chris: This result was ahead of expectations we discussed on our last earnings call. We finished 2025 with $69.7 million of adjusted EBITDA, which represented 53% growth over 2024. As it relates to our balance sheet and capital structure, we ended the Q4 with $19.9 million of cash and cash equivalents, $9.6 million restricted cash, and $37 million available borrowing capacity under a revolving line of credit. Our strong results in 2025 have improved our liquidity and position us well heading into 2026. Turning to our outlook, we will now provide the following guidance for 2026. First, we expect comparable restaurant revenues to be between 0.5% and 1.5%, excluding the impact of deferred loyalty revenue. Second, restaurant-level operating profit margin of approximately 13%.

Chris Meyer: This result was ahead of expectations we discussed on our last earnings call. We finished 2025 with $69.7 million of adjusted EBITDA, which represented 53% growth over 2024. As it relates to our balance sheet and capital structure, we ended the Q4 with $19.9 million of cash and cash equivalents, $9.6 million restricted cash, and $37 million available borrowing capacity under a revolving line of credit. Our strong results in 2025 have improved our liquidity and position us well heading into 2026. Turning to our outlook, we will now provide the following guidance for 2026. First, we expect comparable restaurant revenues to be between 0.5% and 1.5%, excluding the impact of deferred loyalty revenue. Second, restaurant-level operating profit margin of approximately 13%.

Speaker #4: And Q1, by far, your toughest compare for the year. Wanted to get a sense for how you expect things to flow given what you saw in January.

Speaker #4: Don't know if in February you've seen some bounce back. Post-weather, although there's obviously been a couple of storms and impacting wide swaths of the country.

Speaker #4: But how do you expect kind of that cadence to play out during the year? I mean, are you thinking that Q1 is a negative comp quarter and then improvement from there?

Speaker #2: Yeah, I think as we kind of map it out—I'll let Chris talk about this as well—but I think we see it kind of strengthening in the back half of the year more than the front, for the points that you raised, given where we're lapping, and then the introduction of Big Yum and how that plays out.

Speaker #2: But I think your assumption is right, Jeremy.

Speaker #4: Yeah. And I'll just add a little color as it relates to Q1. We're not going to give a guide, obviously, for Q1, but we do have some perspective.

Chris: Third, we expect adjusted EBITDA of between $70 million and $73 million. Finally, we expect capital expenditures to be between $25 million and $30 million. Our financial guidance suggests that we expect to make progress in 2026 across all of our key financial metrics. In summary, we are pleased with our financial performance in 2025. We have made significant progress towards increasing restaurant-level profitability, reducing debt, and growing EBITDA. We will remain disciplined in executing against the First Choice plan in 2026 and continue strengthening the operational and financial foundation of the company. Dave, I will now turn the call back to you.

Chris Meyer: Third, we expect adjusted EBITDA of between $70 million and $73 million. Finally, we expect capital expenditures to be between $25 million and $30 million. Our financial guidance suggests that we expect to make progress in 2026 across all of our key financial metrics. In summary, we are pleased with our financial performance in 2025. We have made significant progress towards increasing restaurant-level profitability, reducing debt, and growing EBITDA. We will remain disciplined in executing against the First Choice plan in 2026 and continue strengthening the operational and financial foundation of the company. Dave, I will now turn the call back to you.

Speaker #4: So quarter-to-date comps are down in Q1 about 1%, but it's important to provide context around that because we talk about we took very limited pricing in 2025.

Speaker #4: We did take that 3.2% increase that I mentioned. But that pricing, as well as some of the indulgent offerings that we added to the new menu, that we think is going to offset the negative mix associated with taking our Big Yum burger deal and putting it on our core menu.

Speaker #4: So, I think if you think about check average, it's probably going to be positive—marginally positive—in Q1. In terms of traffic, before winter storm Fern hit, traffic was positive in January.

Speaker #4: And since that winter storm hit traffic trends have been negative, mostly due to weather, right? So we think we'll end up the weather impact will cost us maybe 50 basis points as it relates to Q1 in total comp.

Dave Pace: Thanks, Chris. As we look ahead to 2026, I'm confident that the progress we've made across each pillar of our First Choice plan positions us well for continued performance improvement. Our December results, where we outpaced the Black Box casual dining traffic index, reinforces that when we execute with precision, combining compelling value, targeted marketing, and exceptional hospitality, we can compete effectively. Our menu enhancements launched in January to give our guests expanded options at both ends of the menu and across day parts and occasions. We have a robust new product pipeline that we will introduce throughout the year. Simultaneously, our ability to continually refine and focus our marketing messaging and spend means that we can confidently reach our guests where they are in the most efficient way possible. Our capital structure initiatives are progressing in line with our plan.

Speaker #4: We lost about $179 operating days quarter to date. We even had some restaurants still closed as of yesterday. So from this most recent storm over the weekend.

Speaker #4: It's also important, as you think about Q1 and the construct of Q1, we had less media-weight in February versus what we expected March or April.

Speaker #4: So there's a lot going on, but we feel really good about the underlying business and the progress we've made. And so that kind of sets up Q1.

Speaker #4: And then, as you sort of shift towards the back half of the year, that price increase—we start to lap the Big Yum Burger deal in July of this year.

Speaker #4: And you'll start to see more of that pricing that we took, start to flow through. So PPA is going to be higher in the second half than it was in the first half.

Speaker #4: And then I think in terms of traffic, just for the reasons I laid out, it's a little bit of the opposite. Traffic will probably be a little higher in Q1 and in Q2.

Dave Pace: We expect the combination of tactical refranchising and refinancing to strengthen our balance sheet and provide the flexibility needed to continue investing in our people, restaurants, and technology. Further announcements will be made as we achieve significant milestones on that journey. While there's much work ahead, our team is focused and committed to building a Red Robin that guests choose first, team members are proud to work at, and shareholders can rely on for sustainable returns. With that, we're happy to take your questions. Operator, please open the lines.

Speaker #4: Again, it's a product of lapping the Big Yum burger deal. We're getting some traffic momentum. But given the media weight and the strong LTO calendar we have in 2026, we feel like it's going to be a better year overall in same-store sales with a stronger second-half comp than first half.

Speaker #3: Thanks for that color. Switching gears and looking on the expense side, and we know that there's been some pressure from commodity costs, beef pricing, but wanted to get a sense for your expectation on that.

Operator: Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question is from Todd Brooks with Benchmark Stonex.

Speaker #3: It's basically flat year over year in '25 as a whole, but you did note on the November call that there had been a little bit of pressure.

Speaker #3: So, wanted to get an update on what you're seeing on that end.

Speaker #2: Yeah, I think—again, look, I think we're going to continue to see beef prices rise. We're factoring that in. We'll see some offsets, obviously, with that.

Speaker #2: I think Chris can give you more of the specifics as we in terms of percentage shift between the two. But we were expecting those to continue and we'll still see some headwinds on the COG side.

Speaker #4: Yeah. I think that's right. We were rough up roughly 4% in commodities in 2025. We're looking at basically the same number in 2026. Beef inflation is still expected to be high.

Todd Brooks: Hey, thanks for taking my question, and congrats on the inflection of the business in the second half of last year, guys.

Dave Pace: Thanks, Todd.

Todd Brooks: Two quick questions. One, kind of a block and tackle, but within the 50 basis points to up 150 basis points same-store sales guidance for 2026, thoughts on pricing? I think you said you were running about 1.6% price in Q4. What kind of pricing assumption is baked into that guidance for same-store sales?

Speaker #4: But the other major categories are going to be kind of plus or minus 1% or 2%. Really, beef is the outlier for 2026.

Speaker #3: Got it. And then I wanted to ask about your refranchising efforts. It's something where my sense is that there's some engagement there, an interest, you'd outline 25 to 75 units.

Dave Pace: Yeah. Hey, Todd, it's Chris. We took a 3.2% menu price increase when we rolled out our new menu at the end of January. We didn't have a whole lot of carryover from last year, so we're expecting that to carry through for the full year. The full year pricing impact this year will probably be about 3.2% as well.

Speaker #3: But any update you might be able to share on progress on that initiative? I noted obviously you must feel pretty good about where the balance sheet is, no need to raise capital.

Speaker #3: In the near term, given that you're going through kind of the debt refinancing process as well, wanted to see if you could update us on refranchising.

Todd Brooks: Perfect. Thank you. More of a strategic question, but it sounds like the micro-targeted marketing has been a real revelation for you all. I know we're 2 quarters into that, but can you walk us through how far through the process of really implementing that with kind of a full year plan behind it? Any thoughts, I know selling expense was up in Q4 versus prior year, but for the full year, there was some efficiency around selling expense. Any color you can give on the selling expense plan needed in 2026 to support the micro-targeted marketing efforts? Thanks.

Speaker #2: Yeah, I mean, the truth is, Jeremy, I can't say a whole lot about where we are specifically. But your tone and your assumptions are accurate.

Speaker #2: We feel better about the overall liquidity of the business. We feel good about the process that we're in. We feel good about the interest that we saw in the franchising exercise.

Speaker #2: And we feel good about the progression of discussions that we've had. Beyond that, I can't say a whole lot right now, but your kind of underlying tone is accurate.

Speaker #3: Right. Last one for me. You made remarkable progress in labor last year. And just to follow up, on the other question, in terms of how much more you feel like you can squeeze there, you noted that you're satisfaction scores remain strong.

Dave Pace: Yeah. Thanks, Todd. It's a pretty holistic shift in the way we're approaching marketing. Not only is it a change in the absolute spend, but it's been a change in the efficiency of it and the allocation of working versus non-working dollars. We're able to put a lot more working dollars to work, to just that point. I'd say we are probably, I'm saying 2/3 of the way through the implementation of this. I mean, the stuff that I referenced in the remarks around clustering, identifying competitive groups, understanding trade area dynamics, and then, you know, allocating messaging priorities to each of those, you know, we've got those in place. We're kind of putting them in action and trying to understand then what's the response.

Speaker #3: Clearly, you're seeing a little bit of a turn here in traffic. Do you look to drive additional labor savings through comp improvement, or do you feel like there's a little bit more to squeeze out there?

Speaker #2: I think it's going to be both. I think we think comp improvement certainly will give us some air cover. But I also think that there is room in the middle of the P&L, in the labor spend.

Speaker #2: And I think our operators feel the same way. I've been extremely pleased with their bullishness on this. This is not just us pushing from the top.

Dave Pace: As we see these responses, we'll continue to reallocate among those clusters. If we see something that's not showing the elasticity that we think it should, we'll try it and move it to another cluster. I'd say we're two-thirds into the implementation, but we still have a little bit to go. Yeah, the only thing I would add as it relates to 2026 is, you know, if we continue to see success that we, you know, we've seen, we have the agility to deploy more dollars, you know, against the full year thought. I think right now, the expectation is that we will be up in selling expense in 2026 relative to 2025.

Speaker #2: They're looking at it saying, "Yeah, we have better tools than we've ever had to be able to understand where our opportunities are. We have better visibility into who our outliers are and how we have to work with them and coach them and kind of make progress there." And I don't want to underestimate it.

Speaker #2: And we're just in the very early stages of this, but we've introduced the AI tool, and our ops team has grabbed that and run with it and created some custom GPTs that they've introduced at the restaurant level. That gives us the ability—or gives our managing partners the ability—to understand labor spend on a daily basis, forecast more effectively, and then allocate in.

Dave Pace: I think I can go so far as to say that we would expect to be up in each quarter, particularly given the success that we've seen, you know, here late in Q4 and early in Q1.

Speaker #2: There's been a great adoption of that tool at the restaurant level. So we think the combination of all of those things is going to give us room to kind of go even further than we have so far.

Todd Brooks: Okay, thanks for the color. Appreciate it.

Dave Pace: Yep.

Speaker #3: Great. Thanks so much for the color. And best wishes this year.

Operator: Our next question is from Jeremy Hamblin with Craig-Hallum Capital Group.

Speaker #2: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Thanks, Jeremy. Appreciate it.

Jeremy Hamblin: Thanks, and I'll add my congratulations on the improved profitability last year. I wanted to start with thinking about the same-store sales guidance for the year. You know, Q1, by far, your toughest compare, for the year. Wanted to get a sense for how you expect things to flow, given, you know, what you saw in January. Don't know if in February you've seen some bounce back, you know, post-weather, although there's obviously been a couple of storms impacting a wide swath of the country. But how do you expect, kind of that cadence to play out during the year? I mean, are you thinking that Q1 is like a negative comp quarter and then improvement from there?

Speaker #1: Our next question is from Mark Smith with Lake Street Capital.

Speaker #4: Hi, guys. First, just wanted to ask a little bit about G&A Outlook, Dave. You talked about in your commentary I think that you said kind of similar decline in dollars year over year.

Speaker #4: Correct me if I'm wrong on that, and then maybe walk us through kind of what's driving some savings there.

Speaker #5: Yeah. I'll start with the numbers, and then I think Dave can add the color. So we finished, if you exclude stock-based comp, we finished last year G&A at 71 million dollars.

Speaker #5: I would say in 2026, we're looking at somewhere between 65 and 67 million dollar range for the year. So that would incorporate the 4 million dollars that Dave talked about.

Dave Pace: Yeah, I think as we kind of map it out, I'll let Chris talk about this as well, but I think we see it kind of strengthening in the back half of the year, more than the front for the points that you raised, given where we're lapping and then the introduction of Big Yummm and how that plays out. I think your assumption is right, Jeremy.

Speaker #5: And there's potentially opportunity for a little bit more than that.

Speaker #2: Yeah, I think just to build on that, we think this is, again, the combination of figuring out efficiencies. We're going to be looking at this every day, every month, every quarter to see how we build efficiencies into the business further and get smarter about how we operate.

Chris: Yeah, I'll just add a little color as it relates to Q1. You know, we're not gonna give a guide, obviously, for Q1. We do have some perspective. You know, quarter to date, comps are down in Q1 about 1%. It's important to provide context around that because, you know, we took very limited pricing in 2025. We did take that 3.2% increase that I mentioned. That pricing, as well as some of the indulgent offerings that we added to the new menu, that we think is gonna offset the negative mix associated with taking our Big Yummm burger deal and putting it on our core menu. I think if you think about check average, it's probably gonna be positive, marginally positive in Q1.

Chris Meyer: Yeah, I'll just add a little color as it relates to Q1. You know, we're not gonna give a guide, obviously, for Q1. We do have some perspective. You know, quarter to date, comps are down in Q1 about 1%. It's important to provide context around that because, you know, we took very limited pricing in 2025. We did take that 3.2% increase that I mentioned. That pricing, as well as some of the indulgent offerings that we added to the new menu, that we think is gonna offset the negative mix associated with taking our Big Yummm burger deal and putting it on our core menu. I think if you think about check average, it's probably gonna be positive, marginally positive in Q1.

Speaker #2: So, I don't think that's a one-and-done process. That's something that we'll continue.

Speaker #3: Perfect. And then I just wanted to ask kind of about the restaurant base. It sounds like some positive movement in thoughts from franchisees around maybe some expansion and opening new restaurants.

Speaker #3: Curious on company-operated side, maybe what's built in as far as closures, and then any appetite to begin opening some company-operated restaurants.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Look, I think in terms of the restaurant size, we're still trying to optimize the portfolio. Going back a ways, we found we've made improvements on about 20 restaurants that we had previously identified as potential problems for us or potential closures.

Chris: In terms of traffic, you know, before Winter Storm Fern hit, traffic was positive in January. You know, since that winter storm hit, traffic trends have been negative, mostly due to weather, right? We think we'll end up, you know, the weather impact will cost us maybe 50 basis points as it relates to Q1. In total comp, we lost about 179 operating days quarter to date. We even had some restaurants still closed as of yesterday from this most recent storm over the weekend. It's also important as you think about Q1 and the construct of Q1, we had less media weight in February versus what we expect in March or April.

Chris Meyer: In terms of traffic, you know, before Winter Storm Fern hit, traffic was positive in January. You know, since that winter storm hit, traffic trends have been negative, mostly due to weather, right? We think we'll end up, you know, the weather impact will cost us maybe 50 basis points as it relates to Q1. In total comp, we lost about 179 operating days quarter to date. We even had some restaurants still closed as of yesterday from this most recent storm over the weekend. It's also important as you think about Q1 and the construct of Q1, we had less media weight in February versus what we expect in March or April.

Speaker #4: We've moved them off the closure list to where we think we can operate them and are hopeful that we can get them back to a performance level that equals the rest of the system.

Speaker #4: I think there's still probably, if you're thinking about it, Mark, that I would assume 20 for this year. Is the number that we're thinking about.

Speaker #4: So that's kind of what do we still have that's out there that we need to get kind of work our way through the system.

Chris: There's a lot going on, but we feel really good about the underlying business and the progress we've made, and so that kind of sets up Q1. As you sort of shift towards the back half of the year, that price increase, we start to lap the Big Yummm burger deal in July of this year, and you'll start to see more of that pricing that we took start to flow through. PPA is gonna be higher in the second half than it was in the first half. I think in terms of traffic, just for the reasons I laid out, it's a little bit of the opposite. Traffic will probably be a little higher in Q1 and in Q2.

Chris Meyer: There's a lot going on, but we feel really good about the underlying business and the progress we've made, and so that kind of sets up Q1. As you sort of shift towards the back half of the year, that price increase, we start to lap the Big Yummm burger deal in July of this year, and you'll start to see more of that pricing that we took start to flow through. PPA is gonna be higher in the second half than it was in the first half. I think in terms of traffic, just for the reasons I laid out, it's a little bit of the opposite. Traffic will probably be a little higher in Q1 and in Q2.

Speaker #4: So we're trying to kind of clean up the portfolio, figure out a way. The significance of this is if you go back to when this was first brought up, I think we identified 6 million dollars of headwind against the business from these potential closures.

Speaker #4: That number is now down to about a 1 and a half million dollar headwind and shrinking as leases expire and we roll off. So I think we've made huge progress on that.

Speaker #4: And feel good about the state of the portfolio that's moving ahead.

Speaker #3: Excellent. Thank you, guys.

Chris: Again, it's a product of lapping the Big Yummm burger deal. We're getting some traffic momentum. Given the media weight and the strong LTO calendar we have in 2026, we feel like it's gonna be a better year overall in same store sales with a stronger second half comp than first half.

Chris Meyer: Again, it's a product of lapping the Big Yummm burger deal. We're getting some traffic momentum. Given the media weight and the strong LTO calendar we have in 2026, we feel like it's gonna be a better year overall in same store sales with a stronger second half comp than first half.

Speaker #4: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Sure, Mark.

Speaker #1: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to hand the floor back over to Dave Pace for any closing remarks.

Speaker #2: Okay. Just quickly, look, thanks. Really appreciate folks dialing in and hearing our story. We feel good about the progress that we're making. And we look forward to talking to you again in May.

Jeremy Hamblin: Thanks for that color. Switching gears and looking on the expense side, we know that there's been some pressure from, you know, commodity costs, beef pricing. Wanted to get a sense for, you know, your expectation on that. You know, it was basically flat year-over-year in 2025 as a whole, but you did note on the November call that there had been, you know, a little bit of pressure. Wanted to get an update on what you're seeing on that end.

Speaker #2: So thanks for coming on, and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you.

Dave Pace: Yeah, I think again, look, I think we're gonna continue to see beef prices rise. We're factoring that in. We'll see some offsets, obviously, with that. I think Chris can give you more of the specifics in terms of, you know, percentage shift between the two, but we are expecting those to continue, and we'll still see some headwinds on the COGS side.

Chris: Yeah, I think that's right. We were, you know, up roughly 4% in commodities in 2025. We're looking at basically the same number in 2026. Beef inflation is still expected to be high, you know, the other major categories are gonna be kind of ±1% or 2%. Really, beef is the outlier for 2026.

Chris Meyer: Yeah, I think that's right. We were, you know, up roughly 4% in commodities in 2025. We're looking at basically the same number in 2026. Beef inflation is still expected to be high, you know, the other major categories are gonna be kind of ±1% or 2%. Really, beef is the outlier for 2026.

Jeremy Hamblin: Got it. I wanted to ask about your refranchising efforts. You know, it's something where my sense is that there's some engagement there and interest. You'd outlined 25 to 75 units. Any update you might be able to share on progress on that initiative? You know, I noted, obviously, you must feel pretty good about where the balance sheet is. No need to raise capital in the near term. Given that you're going through kind of the debt refinancing process as well, wanted to see if you could update us on refranchising.

Dave Pace: Yeah, I mean, the truth is, Jeremy, I can't say a whole lot about where we are specifically, but your tone and your assumptions are accurate. We feel better about the overall liquidity of the business. We feel good about the process that we're in. We feel good about the interest that we saw in the franchising exercise. We feel good about the progression of discussions that we've had. Beyond that, I can't say a whole lot right now, but your kind of underlying tone is accurate.

Jeremy Hamblin: Great. Last one for me. You made remarkable progress in labor last year. Just to follow up, you know, on the other question, you know, in terms of, you know, how much more you feel like you can squeeze there, you noted that your satisfaction scores remain strong. You know, clearly, you're seeing a little bit of a turn here in traffic. You know, do you look to drive additional labor savings through comp improvement, or do you feel like there's a little bit more to squeeze out there?

Dave Pace: I think it's gonna be both. I think we think comp improvement certainly will give us some air cover, but I also think that there is room in the middle of the P&L, in the labor spend, and I think our operators feel the same way. I've been extremely pleased with their bullishness on this. This is not just us pushing from the top. They're looking at it saying, Yeah, we have better tools than we've ever had to be able to understand where our opportunities are. We have better visibility into who our outliers are and how we have to work with them and coach them, and kind of make progress there.

Dave Pace: I, and I don't want to underestimate it. We're just in the very early stages of this, but we've introduced the AI tool. Our ops team has grabbed that and run with it and created some custom GPTs that they've introduced at the restaurant level that give us the ability or give our managing partners the ability to understand labor spend on a daily basis, forecasting more effectively, and then allocation. There's been a great adaptation or adoption of that tool at the restaurant level. We, we think the combination of all of those things is gonna give us room to kind of go even further than we have so far.

Jeremy Hamblin: Great. Thanks so much for the color and best wishes this year.

Dave Pace: Thanks, Jeremy. Appreciate it.

Operator: Our next question is Mark Smith with Lake Street Capital.

Mark Smith: Hi, guys. First, just wanted to ask a little bit about G&A outlook. Dave, you talked about in your commentary. I think that you said kind of similar decline in dollars year-over-year. Correct me if I'm wrong on that, then maybe walk us through kind of what's driving some savings there.

Chris: Yeah, I'll start with the numbers, then I think Dave can add the color. If you exclude stock-based comp, we finished last year G&A at $71 million. I would say in 2026, we're looking at somewhere between $65 and $67 million range for the year. That would incorporate the $4 million that Dave talked about, there's potentially opportunity for a little bit more than that.

Chris Meyer: Yeah, I'll start with the numbers, then I think Dave can add the color. If you exclude stock-based comp, we finished last year G&A at $71 million. I would say in 2026, we're looking at somewhere between $65 and $67 million range for the year. That would incorporate the $4 million that Dave talked about, there's potentially opportunity for a little bit more than that.

Dave Pace: Yeah, I think, just to build on that, we think, you know, this is, again, a combination of figuring out efficiencies. We're gonna be looking at this every day, every month, every quarter to see how do we build efficiencies into the business further and get smarter about how we operate. I don't think that's a one-and-done process. That's something that will continue.

Mark Smith: Perfect. I just wanted to ask kind of about the restaurant base. You know, it sounds like some positive movement and thoughts from franchisees around maybe some expansion and opening new restaurants. Curious on company-operated side, maybe what's built in as far as closures and then any appetite to begin opening some company-operated restaurants?

Dave Pace: Yeah, look, I think, in terms of the restaurant size, we're still trying to optimize the portfolio. We've, you know, going back a ways, we found we've made improvements on about 20 restaurants that we had previously identified as potential problems for us or potential closures. We've moved them off the closure list to where we think we can operate them and are hopeful that we can get them back to a performance level that equals the rest of the system. I think there's still probably, if you're thinking about it, Mark, I would assume 20 for this year is the number that we're thinking about. That's kind of what do we still have that's out there that we need to get, kind of work our way through the system.

Dave Pace: We're trying to kind of clean up the portfolio, you know, figure out a way. The significance of this is if you go back to when this was first brought up, I think we identified $6 million of headwind against the business from these potential closures. That number is now down to about a $1.5 million headwind and shrinking, you know, as leases expire, we roll off. I think, you know, we've made huge progress on that and feel good about the state of the portfolio that's moving ahead.

Mark Smith: Excellent. Thank you, guys.

Chris: Thank you.

Chris Meyer: Thank you.

Dave Pace: Sure, Mark.

Operator: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to hand the floor back over to David Pace for any closing remarks.

Dave Pace: Okay, just quickly. Look, thanks. Really appreciate folks dialing in and hearing our story. We feel good about the progress that we're making, and we look forward to talking to you again in May. Thanks for coming on, and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you.

Operator: This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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