Q4 2025 Cannae Holdings Inc Earnings Call

February 23, 2026

Ryan Caswell: Let's go, Coy. Let's go. Get away. What a fucking mess!

Speaker #6: Because such statements are based on expectations as to future financial and operating results, and are not statements of fact, actual results may differ materially from those projected.

Operator: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Cannae Holdings, Inc. Q4 and full year 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. During today's presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode. Following the company's prepared remarks, the conference will be open for questions with instructions to follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded and a replay is available through 11:59 PM Eastern Time on 9 March 2026. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Jamie Lillis of Solebury Strategic Communications. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: The company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. The risks and uncertainties which forward-looking statements are subject to include but are not limited to the risks and other factors detailed in our quarterly shareholder letter, which was released this afternoon, and in our other filings with the SEC.

Speaker #6: Today's remarks will also include references to NAGAP financial measures. Additional information, including a reconciliation between NAGAP financial information to the GAAP financial information is provided in our shareholder letter.

Jamie Lillis: Thank you, operator, and all of you for joining us. On the call today, we have Cannae's CEO, Ryan Caswell, and Brian Coy, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind listeners that this conference call and the Q&A following our remarks may contain forward-looking statements that involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Statements that are not historical facts, including statements about Cannae's expectations, hopes, intentions, or strategies regarding the future, are forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are based on management's beliefs as well as assumptions made by and information currently available to management. Because such statements are based on expectations as to future financial and operating results and are not statements of fact, actual results may differ materially from those projected. The company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise.

Speaker #6: I would now like to turn the call over to Ryan.

Speaker #7: Thank you, Jamie. Over the last year, we have made substantial progress executing our strategic initiatives outlined in 2024, designed to generate long-term shareholder value.

Speaker #7: Notable accomplishments in 2025 include the further transformation of our portfolio, with the sale of Dun & Bradstreet to Clear Lake Capital for total proceeds of $630 million to Cannae.

Speaker #7: In the fourth quarter, we also sold shares of Paysafe, System One, and SiteLine to realize losses which created a $55 million tax refund that will be paid to us in the summer of 2026.

Speaker #7: We continued significant returns of capital to shareholders through the repurchase of $323 million of stock, representing 17.4 million shares or 28% of our shares outstanding.

Jamie Lillis: The risks and uncertainties which forward-looking statements are subject to include, but are not limited to, the risks and other factors detailed in our quarterly shareholder letter, which was released this afternoon, and in our other filings with the SEC. Today's remarks will also include references to non-GAAP financial measures. Additional information, including a reconciliation between non-GAAP financial information to the GAAP financial information, is provided in our shareholder letter. I would now like to turn the call over to Ryan.

Speaker #7: We also increased our dividend by 25% to $15 cents per quarter and paid $30 million in total dividends in 2025. We made new investments in proprietary opportunities where we can help drive value.

Speaker #7: In 2025, Cannae invested an additional $50 million in Black Knight Football Club and also invested an additional $67.5 million in Gianna Partners to increase our ownership from 20% to 50%.

Ryan Caswell: Thank you, Jamie. Over the last year, we have made substantial progress executing our strategic initiatives outlined in 2024, designed to generate long-term shareholder value. Notable accomplishments in 2025 include the further transformation of our portfolio with the sale of Dun & Bradstreet to Clearlake Capital for total proceeds of $630 million to Cannae. In Q4, we also sold shares of Paysafe, Systemone, and Sightline to realize losses, which created a $55 million tax refund that will be paid to us in the summer of 2026. We continued significant returns of capital to shareholders through the repurchase of $323 million of stock, representing 17.4 million shares or 28% of our shares outstanding.

Speaker #7: With these investments and the sale of public securities like DNB, our portfolio today is primarily investments in proprietary private opportunities that public investors otherwise wouldn't be able to access.

Speaker #7: We believe it is important to provide our investors with these differentiated investment opportunities and invest in structures where Cannae can drive value. We have also continued to create value in our portfolio companies.

Speaker #7: This is best evidenced by activity at our largest investment, Black Knight Football, which continues its strong performance across our group of clubs. Today, AFC Bournemouth sits in eighth place in the Premier League with 38 points through 27 matches.

Speaker #7: This performance is a testament to the coaching and recruiting staff at AFCB. Over the last two transfer windows, AFCB has generated over $400 million in transfer proceeds, which, according to third-party reports, represents the second-highest net profit in European football and demonstrates the team's ability to maximize profits while continuing to refresh the squad and drive performance.

Ryan Caswell: We also increased our dividend by 25% to $0.15 per quarter and paid $30 million in total dividends in 2025. We made new investments in proprietary opportunities where we can help drive value. In 2025, Cannae invested an additional $50 million in Black Knight Football Club and also invested an additional $67.5 million in JANA Partners to increase our ownership from 20% to 50%. With these investments and the sale of public securities like DNB, our portfolio today is primarily investments in proprietary private opportunities that public investors otherwise wouldn't be able to access. We believe it is important to provide our investors with these differentiated investment opportunities and invest in structures where Cannae can drive value. We have also continued to create value in our portfolio companies.

Speaker #7: We also continue to make progress on our stadium expansion. We recently received planning approval from the local council, and phase one of our stadium renovation is expected to be completed by the 2026-27 season.

Speaker #7: Phase one will now increase total capacity by approximately 1,500 seats, but will increase hospitality by 600 seats, or approximately 100%. Phase two will be completed by the start of the '27-'28 season and increase capacity to over 20,000 seats, an approximately 80% increase in capacity.

Ryan Caswell: This is best evidenced by activity at our largest investment, Black Knight Football, which continues its strong performance across our group of clubs. Today, AFC Bournemouth sits in eighth place in the Premier League with 38 points through 27 matches. This performance is a testament to the coaching and recruiting staff at AFCB. Over the last two transfer windows, AFCB has generated over $400 million in transfer proceeds, which according to third-party reports, represents the second highest net profit in European football and demonstrates the team's ability to maximize profits while continuing to refresh the squad and drive performance. We also continue to make progress on our stadium expansion. We recently reviewed planning approval from the local council, and phase I of our stadium renovation is expected to be completed by the 2026-2027 season.

Speaker #7: In January, we acquired the remaining 60% of FC Lorient for approximately $60 million through a combination of Black Knight Football stock and cash. The value was based roughly on the put-call that was structured in the 2023 purchase.

Speaker #7: BKFC now owns 100% of FC Lorient, and we are excited about the strategic potential of the team within our multi-club. The team sits in ninth place in League One and is in the quarterfinals of the French Cup.

Speaker #7: After 23 matches, Lorient's AFC Football Club sits in seventh place in the Premier League with 33 points from 10 wins and 3 draws. The success of each team demonstrates the upside of our multi-club operations, and we remain excited about the value we are creating for an eventual monetization.

Ryan Caswell: Phase one will now increase total capacity by approximately 1,500 seats, but will increase hospitality by 600 seats, or approximately 100%. Phase two will be completed by the start of the 2027-2028 season, and increase capacity to over 20,000 seats, an approximately 80% increase in capacity. In January, we acquired the remaining 60% of FC Lorient for approximately EUR 60 million through a combination of Black Knight Football stock and cash. The value was based roughly on the put call that was structured in the 2023 purchase. BKFC now owns 100% of FC Lorient, and we are excited about the strategic potential of the team within our multi-club. The team sits in ninth place in League One and is in the quarterfinals of the French Cup.

Speaker #7: Despite our accomplishments in 2025, the board and management team are not satisfied with our stock price and believe that it does not reflect the intrinsic value of our assets or the long-term potential of the platform.

Speaker #7: As a result, and based on feedback from our shareholders, the board has established a new set of strategic priorities designed to provide greater clarity and drive sustained long-term value creation for our shareholders.

Speaker #7: The tenets of this strategy are as follows: One, portfolio transformation and strategic focus. We are accelerating the transformation of our portfolio to concentrate primarily on sports and entertainment-related assets, where Cannae has demonstrated a differentiated competitive advantage.

Speaker #7: We continue to benefit from access to proprietary investment opportunities in these sectors and intend to build a more focused efficient portfolio of synergistic assets where Cannae can actively drive value creation.

Ryan Caswell: After 23 matches, Moreirense Futebol Clube sits in seventh place in the Primeira Liga, with 33 points from 10 wins and 3 draws. The success of each team demonstrates the upside of our multi-club operations, and we remain excited about the value we are creating for an eventual monetization. Despite our accomplishments in 2025, the board and management team are not satisfied with our stock price and believe that it does not reflect the intrinsic value of our assets or the long-term potential of the platform. As a result, and based on feedback from our shareholders, the board has established a new set of strategic priorities designed to provide greater clarity and drive sustained long-term value creation for our shareholders. The tenets of this strategy are as follows: 1, portfolio transformation and strategic focus.

Speaker #7: As part of this transformation, we will continue to monetize non-strategic assets in a disciplined manner to redeploy capital toward higher-returning opportunities. As a result, Cannae is exploring strategic alternatives with regards to its restaurant group.

Speaker #7: Two, enhanced operating performance and transparency. We are intensifying our efforts on improving the operating performance of our portfolio companies, while increasing the level of disclosure provided to our shareholders.

Speaker #7: Beginning this quarter, we are broadening our reporting to provide greater visibility into asset-level operating value, asset-level operating results, and value creation initiatives at our portfolio companies.

Speaker #7: This can be seen from the information provided in our investor letter, and we will also be posting an overview deck of Black Knight Football, our largest investment, on our website that provides more details around the strategy, clubs, and financials.

Ryan Caswell: We are accelerating the transformation of our portfolio to concentrate primarily on sports and entertainment-related assets, where Cannae has demonstrated a differentiated competitive advantage. We continue to benefit from access to proprietary investment opportunities in these sectors and intend to build a more focused, efficient portfolio of synergistic assets where Cannae can actively drive value creation. As part of this transformation, we will continue to monetize non-strategic assets in a disciplined manner to redeploy capital toward higher returning opportunities. As a result, Cannae is exploring strategic alternatives with regards to its restaurant group. 2, enhanced operating performance and transparency. We are intensifying our efforts on improving the operating performance of our portfolio companies while increasing the level of disclosure provided to our shareholders.

Speaker #7: Three, disciplined capital return. Returning capital to our shareholders remains a priority. We are committed to maintaining a consistent quarterly dividend, subject to capital, and subject to capital availability, may pursue selective and opportunistic share repurchases.

Speaker #7: In the short term, the board is prioritizing capital flexibility given our current capital base and the focus on the strategic transformation described earlier. Four, ongoing governance evolution.

Speaker #7: The Board remains committed to continuous evaluation and enhancement of our governance policies and procedures, consistent with best practices. With four new independent directors joining the Board in 2025, the Board has purposely refreshed committees and continues to focus on areas to improve governance and shareholder alignment.

Ryan Caswell: Beginning this quarter, we are broadening our reporting to provide greater visibility into asset level operating value, asset level operating results, and value creation initiatives at our portfolio companies. This can be seen from the information provided in our investor letter, and we will also be posting an overview deck of Black Knight Football, our largest investment, on our website that provides more details around the strategy, clubs, and financials. 3. Disciplined capital return. Returning capital to our shareholders remains a priority. We are committed to maintaining a consistent quarterly dividend, and subject to capital availability, may pursue selective and opportunistic share repurchases. In the short term, the board is prioritizing capital flexibility, given our current capital base and the focus on the strategic transformation described earlier. 4. Ongoing governance evolution.

Speaker #7: We believe executing on these strategic priorities will lead to growth in Cannae NAV and stock price. With that, I'll turn the call over to Bryan.

Speaker #5: Thanks, Ryan. I will walk through our fourth-quarter and full-year results, followed by a brief note on liquidity. Starting with our fourth-quarter results, total operating revenues of Cannae were $103 million in the fourth quarter of 2025, a 6% decrease from $110 million in 2024.

Speaker #5: This was primarily from lower restaurant revenue, a result of generally lower guest traffic and nine fewer O Charlie locations that were closed during the year.

Speaker #5: Abated in part by higher average guest checks. This was also slightly offset by higher lot sales and hospitality revenue at Bersada Ranch, our resort in Oregon.

Speaker #5: Cannae's total operating expenses of $127 million in the fourth quarter of '25. Down from $132 million in the prior year. Cannae's current year operating expenses included $12 million of non-cash impairment charges, mainly associated with right-of-use assets at certain O Charlie's locations.

Ryan Caswell: The board remains committed to continuous evaluation and enhancement of our governance policies and procedures consistent with best practices. With four new independent directors joining the board in 2025, the board has purposely refreshed committees and continues to focus on areas to improve governance and shareholder alignment. We believe executing on these strategic priorities will lead to growth in Cannae NAV and stock price. With that, I'll turn the call over to Bryan.

Speaker #5: Absent that non-cash charge, Cannae operating expenses decreased by approximately $17 million, or 13%. That decrease reflects lower cost of restaurant revenue, lower personnel costs, and no external management fees following termination of the agreement earlier this year, as well as other actions taken to reduce corporate operating expenses.

Speaker #5: Which were offset in part by increased professional fees associated with our recent proxy contests. Of note, below Cannae's operating loss line, recognized net recognized losses decreased to $8 million in the fourth quarter of 2025, largely comprising mark-to-market losses on our exit from Paysafe.

Bryan D. Coy: Thanks, Ryan. I will walk through our Q4 and full year results, followed by a brief note on liquidity. Starting with our Q4 results, total operating revenues of Cannae were $103 million in Q4 2025, a 6% decrease from $110 million in 2024. This was primarily from lower restaurant revenue, a result of generally lower guest traffic and 9 fewer O Charli locations that were closed during the year, abated in part by higher average guest checks. This was also slightly offset by higher lot sales and hospitality revenue at Brasada Ranch, our resort in Oregon. Cannae's total operating expenses of $127 million in Q4 2025, down from $132 million in the prior year.

Bryan Coy: Thanks, Ryan. I will walk through our Q4 and full year results, followed by a brief note on liquidity. Starting with our Q4 results, total operating revenues of Cannae were $103 million in Q4 2025, a 6% decrease from $110 million in 2024. This was primarily from lower restaurant revenue, a result of generally lower guest traffic and 9 fewer O Charli locations that were closed during the year, abated in part by higher average guest checks. This was also slightly offset by higher lot sales and hospitality revenue at Brasada Ranch, our resort in Oregon. Cannae's total operating expenses of $127 million in Q4 2025, down from $132 million in the prior year.

Speaker #5: Equity and losses of unconsolidated holdings was $69 million in the fourth quarter of 2025, and the majority of this represents our share of Alight's fourth-quarter results with a large goodwill write-off.

Speaker #5: Moving to full-year numbers, for the full year 2025, total operating revenue was $424 million, compared to $453 million in 2024, reflecting lower restaurant rotations and associated revenue.

Speaker #5: Our operating loss was $119 million in 2025, compared to $104 million in 2024. The 2025 figure reflects lower cost of revenue, as well as $24 million of non-recurring management charges, $14 million of non-cash impairment charges at the restaurant group, and $5 million of increased professional fees associated with our recent proxy contest.

Bryan D. Coy: Cannae's current year operating expenses included $12 million of non-cash impairment charges, mainly associated with right of use assets at certain O'Charley's locations. Absent that non-cash charge, Cannae operating expenses decreased by approximately $17 million or 13%. That decrease reflects lower cost of restaurant revenue, lower personnel costs, and no external management fees following termination of the agreement earlier this year, as well as other actions taken to reduce corporate operating expenses, which were offset in part by increased professional fees associated with our recent proxy contest. Of note, below Cannae's operating loss line, net recognized losses decreased $8 million in Q4 2025, largely comprising mark-to-market losses on our exit from Paysafe.

Bryan Coy: Cannae's current year operating expenses included $12 million of non-cash impairment charges, mainly associated with right of use assets at certain O'Charley's locations. Absent that non-cash charge, Cannae operating expenses decreased by approximately $17 million or 13%. That decrease reflects lower cost of restaurant revenue, lower personnel costs, and no external management fees following termination of the agreement earlier this year, as well as other actions taken to reduce corporate operating expenses, which were offset in part by increased professional fees associated with our recent proxy contest. Of note, below Cannae's operating loss line, net recognized losses decreased $8 million in Q4 2025, largely comprising mark-to-market losses on our exit from Paysafe.

Speaker #5: Without these fees, operating expenses would have declined by approximately $27%. The results below the operating line in 2025 were largely influenced by non-cash impairments associated with Alight.

Speaker #5: Offset in part by increases in the value of our holdings in the CSI partnership. Turning to the year-end balance sheet, Cannae had over $1.3 billion in total assets offsetting $330 million of liabilities.

Speaker #5: At the corporate level, Cannae has over $147 million of cash today, and our only corporate debt outstanding is $48 million of fixed-rate, interest-only term debt that doesn't mature for over four years.

Bryan D. Coy: Equity and losses of unconsolidated holdings was $69 million in Q4 2025. The majority of this represents our share of Alight's Q4 results with the large goodwill write-off. Moving to full year numbers. For the full year 2025, total operating revenue was $424 million, compared to $453 million in 2024, reflecting lower restaurant rotations and associated revenue. Our operating loss was $119 million in 2025, compared to $104 million in 2024. The 2025 figure reflects lower cost of revenue as well as $24 million of non-recurring management charges, $14 million of non-cash impairment charges at the restaurant group, and $5 million of increased professional fees associated with our recent proxy contest.

Bryan Coy: Equity and losses of unconsolidated holdings was $69 million in Q4 2025. The majority of this represents our share of Alight's Q4 results with the large goodwill write-off. Moving to full year numbers. For the full year 2025, total operating revenue was $424 million, compared to $453 million in 2024, reflecting lower restaurant rotations and associated revenue. Our operating loss was $119 million in 2025, compared to $104 million in 2024. The 2025 figure reflects lower cost of revenue as well as $24 million of non-recurring management charges, $14 million of non-cash impairment charges at the restaurant group, and $5 million of increased professional fees associated with our recent proxy contest.

Speaker #5: Additionally, as noted above, we expect to receive $55 million in tax refunds this summer. Operator will now pause and open the line for questions.

Speaker #6: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys.

Speaker #6: If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. The first question will come from Ian Zafino with Oppenheimer.

Speaker #6: Please go ahead. Pardon me, Kenneth Lee with RBC Capital Markets.

Bryan D. Coy: Without these fees, operating expenses would have declined by approximately 27%. The results below the operating line in 2025 were largely influenced by non-cash impairments associated with Alight, offset in part by increases in the value of our holdings in the CSI partnership. Turning to the year-end balance sheet, Cannae had over $1.3 billion in total assets, offsetting $330 million of liabilities. At the corporate level, Cannae has over $147 million of cash today, and our only corporate debt outstanding is $48 million of fixed rate, interest-only term debt that doesn't mature for over 4 years. Additionally, as noted above, we expect to receive $55 million in tax refunds this summer. Operator, we'll now pause and open the line for questions.

Bryan Coy: Without these fees, operating expenses would have declined by approximately 27%. The results below the operating line in 2025 were largely influenced by non-cash impairments associated with Alight, offset in part by increases in the value of our holdings in the CSI partnership. Turning to the year-end balance sheet, Cannae had over $1.3 billion in total assets, offsetting $330 million of liabilities. At the corporate level, Cannae has over $147 million of cash today, and our only corporate debt outstanding is $48 million of fixed rate, interest-only term debt that doesn't mature for over 4 years. Additionally, as noted above, we expect to receive $55 million in tax refunds this summer. Operator, we'll now pause and open the line for questions.

Speaker #7: Hey, good afternoon and thanks for taking my question. Just in terms of the strategic priorities, the new goals there, and you talked about potentially accelerating more to the sports and entertainment side.

Speaker #7: With that, how do you view the potential monetizations across the portfolio? I think you talked about strategic actions for the restaurant group, but should we consider any other non-sports investments as being open for potential monetizations over time?

Speaker #7: Thanks.

Speaker #8: Hey, Ken. Thank you for the question. Yeah, I mean, I think we have started to really transform our portfolio last year with some of the sales of D&B, Dayforce, Paysafe, System One, and then, as you rightly pointed out, we announced strategic alternatives related to the restaurant group today.

Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. The first question will come from Ian Zaffino with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Pardon me, Kenneth Lee with RBC Capital Markets.

Speaker #8: The board and we are going through each of the individual assets and trying to figure out where we are and does it make sense for a monetization.

Speaker #8: Clearly, some will be more strategic than others. But with the focus of where it is—around sports and entertainment-related assets—we will be going through our portfolio and looking at each of our assets and determining the appropriate time.

David Brown: Hey, good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. Just in terms of the strategic priorities, the new goals there, and you talked about potentially accelerating more into the sports and entertainment side. With that, how do you view the potential monetizations across the portfolio? I think you talked about strategic actions for the restaurant group, but should we consider any other non-sports investments as being open for potential monetizations over time? Thanks.

Kenneth Lee: Hey, good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. Just in terms of the strategic priorities, the new goals there, and you talked about potentially accelerating more into the sports and entertainment side. With that, how do you view the potential monetizations across the portfolio? I think you talked about strategic actions for the restaurant group, but should we consider any other non-sports investments as being open for potential monetizations over time? Thanks.

Speaker #8: And we make a decision like we did with the restaurants; we will let you know.

Speaker #6: Gotcha. Very helpful there. And one follow-up, if I may, in terms of the Janet partnership there, you've been in partnership for some time now, and obviously, just given the recent market volatility, wondering if there's any change or updated outlook around potential investments associated with that or, once again, does the recent move towards sports and media kind of not put that on the front burner anymore?

Bryan D. Coy: Hey, Ken. Thank you for the question. Yeah, I mean, I think we have started to really transform our portfolio last year with some of the sales of D&B, Dayforce, Paysafe, System1. Then as you, as you rightly pointed out, we announced strategic alternatives related to the restaurant group today. The board and we are going through, you know, each of the individual assets and trying to figure out, you know, where we are and does it make sense for a monetization.

Bryan Coy: Hey, Ken. Thank you for the question. Yeah, I mean, I think we have started to really transform our portfolio last year with some of the sales of D&B, Dayforce, Paysafe, System1. Then as you, as you rightly pointed out, we announced strategic alternatives related to the restaurant group today. The board and we are going through, you know, each of the individual assets and trying to figure out, you know, where we are and does it make sense for a monetization.

Speaker #6: Thanks.

Speaker #8: No, we remain very optimistic about our partnership with Janet. They just entered 25 years in business and have had an incredible career, or an incredible track record over that.

Speaker #8: So, we do remain optimistic. We think they are— they will continue to source us different opportunities. Given the strategic direction around sports and entertainment-related assets, the boxes may be a little bit smaller, given the capital base that we have today.

Bryan D. Coy: You know, clearly, some will be more strategic than others, but, but with the focus of where it is around sports and entertainment-related assets, we will be, you know, we will be going through our portfolio and looking at, looking at each of our assets and determining the appropriate time. When we make a decision like we did with the restaurants, we will, we will let you know.

Bryan Coy: You know, clearly, some will be more strategic than others, but, but with the focus of where it is around sports and entertainment-related assets, we will be, you know, we will be going through our portfolio and looking at, looking at each of our assets and determining the appropriate time. When we make a decision like we did with the restaurants, we will, we will let you know.

Speaker #8: But we continue to be optimistic about them. The long-term track record and our ability to find stuff with them but the board is very focused at the current time on sports and related entertainment assets.

David Brown: Got you. Very helpful there. One follow-up, if I may, in terms of the JANA partnership there. You've been in partnership for some time now, and obviously, just given the recent market volatility, wondering if there's any change or updated outlook around potential investments associated with that, or once again, does the recent move towards sports and media, kind of not put that on the front burner anymore? Thanks.

Kenneth Lee: Got you. Very helpful there. One follow-up, if I may, in terms of the JANA partnership there. You've been in partnership for some time now, and obviously, just given the recent market volatility, wondering if there's any change or updated outlook around potential investments associated with that, or once again, does the recent move towards sports and media, kind of not put that on the front burner anymore? Thanks.

Speaker #8: So we would have to find something that fits within that box with them.

Speaker #6: Gotcha. And just one more follow-up, if I may. When you look across the current portfolio, Cannae's current portfolio, across the various fintech and software-associated companies within the portfolio, how do you view the risk of AI across that portfolio, and how do you think about potential valuations around there?

Bryan D. Coy: No, we, we, you know, we, we remain very optimistic about our partnership with Jana. You know, they just entered 25 years in business and have had an incredible career or an incredible track record over that. You know, we, we, we do remain optimistic. We, we think they are, you know, they will continue to source us different opportunities, given, given the strategic direction around sports and entertainment related assets, you'll, you know, the box is maybe a little bit smaller given the capital base that we have today. We, we, we continue to be optimistic about them, the long-term track record and our ability to find to find stuff with them.

Bryan Coy: No, we, we, you know, we, we remain very optimistic about our partnership with Jana. You know, they just entered 25 years in business and have had an incredible career or an incredible track record over that. You know, we, we, we do remain optimistic. We, we think they are, you know, they will continue to source us different opportunities, given, given the strategic direction around sports and entertainment related assets, you'll, you know, the box is maybe a little bit smaller given the capital base that we have today. We, we, we continue to be optimistic about them, the long-term track record and our ability to find to find stuff with them.

Speaker #6: Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah, no, we've obviously spent a bunch of time thinking about kind of AI and AI impact across the portfolio. I think we're fortunate that our biggest investment around football, while there may be AI things that improve processes in the business, sports is quite a ways away from AI.

Speaker #8: In terms of the financial services and other businesses that we have, we think they are all incredibly—or we think most of them are very—embedded with long-term contracts and in very important parts of the customer's processes, and so we think that those are more sheltered.

Bryan D. Coy: The board is, is very focused at the current time on sports and related entertainment assets, so we would have to find, you know, something that, that fits within that box with them.

Bryan Coy: The board is, is very focused at the current time on sports and related entertainment assets, so we would have to find, you know, something that, that fits within that box with them.

Speaker #8: And they are trying to basically implement AI into their businesses. And all of them are going through processes looking at where they can be more efficient with AI.

David Brown: Gotcha. Just one more follow-up, if I may. When you look across the current portfolio, Cannae's current portfolio, across the various fintech and software associated companies within the portfolio, how do you view the risk of AI across that portfolio? How do you think about potential valuations around there? Thanks.

Kenneth Lee: Gotcha. Just one more follow-up, if I may. When you look across the current portfolio, Cannae's current portfolio, across the various fintech and software associated companies within the portfolio, how do you view the risk of AI across that portfolio? How do you think about potential valuations around there? Thanks.

Speaker #8: And so we feel good about that. But clearly, they and we are aware of all of the AI risk that's out there and the disintermediation.

Speaker #8: And we're trying to be proactive in thinking with them about things that they can do to make their business more secure from that.

Ryan Caswell: Yeah, no. You know, we, we've obviously spent a bunch of time thinking about kind of AI and AI impact across the portfolio. I think we're fortunate, you know, that our biggest investment around football, while, while there may be, you know, AI, you know, things that improve processes in the business, you know, sports is, you know, is quite a ways away from AI. In terms of the financial services and other businesses that we have, we, we, we think they are all incredibly, or we think most of them are very embedded with long-term contracts and in very important parts of their customers', you know, processes.

Speaker #6: Gotcha. Very helpful there. Thanks again. The next question will come from Ian Zafino with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Speaker #9: I agree. Thank you very much. I wanted to ask on first of all, you spent a lot of time on Black Night Football Club and kind of what you've been doing there.

Speaker #9: How do we think about the valuation of these businesses? Just kind of given number one, I don't think you've updated the valuations in a while.

Speaker #9: So, what would that look like if you did update those valuations? And is there a way you could give us a framework? Because I know there's been a bunch of, at least US assets, that have changed hands at kind of astronomical prices.

Ryan Caswell: We think that those are, are, are more sheltered, and they are trying to basically implement AI into their businesses, and all of them are going through processes, looking at, you know, where, where they can be more efficient with AI. We feel, we feel good about that. Clearly, you know, they and we are aware of, you know, all of the, you know, the AI risk that's out there and the disintermediation, and we're trying to be proactive in thinking with them about things that they can do to make, you know, their business more secure from that.

Speaker #9: And so, wondering how you guys are thinking about valuation of these assets—whether it's just from a revaluation, or then ultimately what they could be worth.

Speaker #9: Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah, thanks, Ian. So, I think there are a couple of ways to think about it. The first is, as you look at the sum of the parts—I mentioned this earlier—but we issued some stock in conjunction with the acquisition of FCL, and we issued that at about a roughly 12.5% premium to kind of the par value.

David Brown: Gotcha. Very helpful there. Thanks again.

Kenneth Lee: Gotcha. Very helpful there. Thanks again.

Operator: The next question will come from Ian Zaffino with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Speaker #8: And so that's what the mark is based on in our sum of the parts. And I think, as we think about the value of the business, again, we continue to think about, over time, where other Premier League teams have traded, around three times.

Ian Zaffino: Hi, great. Thank you very much. wanted to ask on, you know, first you spent a lot of time on Black Knight Football Club and kind of what you've been doing there. How do we think about the valuation of, of these businesses? Just kind of given, number one, I don't think you've updated the, the valuations in a while. What would that look like if you, if you did update those valuations? Is there any way you could give us a framework? Because I know there's been a bunch of, at least US assets, that have changed hands at kind of astronomical prices. Wondering how, how you guys are thinking about, you know, valuation of these assets, whether it's just from a, you know, revaluation or then ultimately what they could be worth. Thanks.

Speaker #8: There's some public marks that are out there in that. And applying that to our business, I think what we've also tried to do is if you look in some of the disclosure and the shareholder letter, we've tried to provide more detailed financials on all of our investments.

Speaker #8: But in Black Night Football in particular, for this question, which will give you which will give investors more details on the financials of the business, the balance sheet, the our ownership, there has been some movement in that given the purchase of the FC Lorient as well as Moriente.

Ryan Caswell: Yeah, thanks, Ian. I think there's a couple ways to think about it. The first is, you know, as you look at the sum of the parts, I mentioned this earlier, but we issued some stock in conjunction with the acquisition of FCL. We issued that about a roughly 12.5% premium to kind of the par value. That's what the mark is based on in our sum of the parts. I think as we think about the value of the business, again, we continue to think about over time, you know, where other Premier League teams have traded around, you know, 3x.

Speaker #8: So some of those will be coming in as the financials are updated. There's a one-month lag on those or I'm sorry, one-quarter lag. But we've tried to give people much more details into the financial implications, which will allow them and us to better think about what that value is.

Speaker #9: Okay, thanks. And then the next question would be on SpaceX. What should we expect there? I know you have a small investment in there, but how do we think about that?

Speaker #9: And I guess if this does go public, would that be a use of funds for you guys, or would it be a source of funds?

Ryan Caswell: There are some public marks that are out there in that, and applying that to our business. I think what we've also tried to do is, if you look in some of the disclosure in the shareholder letter, we've tried to provide more detailed financials on all of our investments, but in Black Knight Football in particular, for this question, which will give investors more details on the financials of the business, the balance sheet, the, you know, our ownership. You know, there has been some movement in that, given, you know, the purchase of FC Lorient, as well as Moreirense. Some of those will be coming in as the financials are updated.

Speaker #9: How are we looking at that investment? Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah, so if you look in excuse me. If you look in our sum of the parts we actually broke out the SpaceX investment. And so the value that we're using is based on the publicly announced merger that they had with XAI.

Speaker #8: XAI, excuse me. And so I think as we move forward, clearly, we've been the business has done very well since we've owned it. It's up a significant value from where we bought it.

Speaker #8: But if you think about the strategic the strategy that we outlined earlier in the call, it seems like it'll be a source of cash for us over time.

Ryan Caswell: There's a 1 month lag on those or I'm sorry, 1 quarter lag. We've tried to give people much more details into the financial implications, which will allow them and us to better think about what that value is.

Speaker #9: Okay. Thank you very much.

Speaker #10: This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ryan Caswell for any closing remarks.

Ian Zaffino: Okay, thanks. You know, the next question will be on, on, on SpaceX. You know, what should we expect there? You know, I know you have a small investment in there, but how do we think about that? I guess if, if this does go public, would that be like a, a use of funds for you guys, or would it be a source of funds? You know, how will we look at that investment? Thanks.

Speaker #8: Thank you, operator. To conclude, while we made progress in 2025, the board and management are not satisfied with our stock price performance and our executing a new strategic plan to drive long-term value creation.

Speaker #8: We thank you for your continued support, and we'll update you on our progress as we move forward.

Ryan Caswell: Yeah. If you look in our... Excuse me. If you look in our sum of the parts, we, we actually broke out the SpaceX investment. The value that we're using is based on the publicly announced merger that they had with, with,

David Brown: XAI.

Bryan Coy: XAI.

Ryan Caswell: XAI, excuse me. You know, I think as, as we move forward, clearly, the business has done very well since we've owned it. It's up significant value from where we bought it. If you think about, you know, the strategic, you know, the strategy that we outlined earlier in the call, you know, it seems like it will be a source of cash for us over time.

Ian Zaffino: Okay, thank you very much.

Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ryan Caswell for any closing remarks.

Ryan Caswell: Thank you, operator. To conclude, while we made progress in 2025, the board and management are not satisfied with our stock price performance and are executing a new strategic plan to drive long-term value creation. We thank you for your continued support, and we'll update you on our progress as we move forward.

Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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