Q4 2025 Titan International Inc Earnings Call

February 26, 2026

Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Titan International, Inc. Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode, and we will open the floor to your questions and comments after the presentation. If you need assistance during the call, please press Star followed by zero on your telephone keypad. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Alan Snyder, Vice President of Financial Planning and Investor Relations for Titan. Mr. Snyder, the floor is now yours.

Speaker #1: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Titan International Incorporated fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode, and we will open the floor to your questions and comments after the presentation.

Speaker #1: If you need assistance during the call, please press start followed by 0 on your telephone keypad. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Alan Snyder, Vice President, Financial Planning and Investor Relations for Titan, Mr. Snyder, the floor is now yours.

Speaker #2: Thank you, and good morning. I'd like to welcome everyone to Titan's fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. On the call with me today are Paul Reitz, Titan's President and CEO, and Tonya Haley, Titan's Senior Vice President and CFO.

Alan Snyder: Thank you. Good morning. I'd like to welcome everyone to Titan's Q4 2025 Earnings Call. On the call with me today are Paul Reitz, Titan's President and CEO, and Tony Eheli, Titan's Senior Vice President and CFO. I will begin with a reminder that the results we are about to review were presented in the earnings release issued this morning, along with our Form 10-K, which was also filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission this morning. As a reminder, during this call, we will be discussing certain forward-looking information, including the company's plans and projections for the future that involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking information.

Speaker #2: I will begin with a reminder that the results we are about to review were presented in the earnings release issued this morning along with our form 10-K, which was also filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission this morning.

Speaker #2: As a reminder, during this call we will be discussing certain forward-looking information including the company's plans and projections for the future that involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking information.

Speaker #2: Additional information concerning factors that either individually or in the aggregate could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements can be found within the Safe Harbor Statement included in the earnings release attached to the company's form 8-K filed earlier as well as our latest form 10-K and forms 10-Q, all of which have been filed with the SEC.

Alan Snyder: Additional information concerning factors that either individually or in the aggregate could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements can be found within the safe harbor statement included in the earnings release attached to the company's Form 8-K filed earlier, as well as our latest Form 10-K and Forms 10-Q, all of which have been filed with the SEC. In addition, today's remarks may refer to non-GAAP financial measures, which are intended to supplement, but not be a substitute for, the most directly comparable GAAP measures. The earnings release, which accompanies today's call, contains financial and other quantitative information to be discussed today, as well as the reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures. The Q4 earnings release is available on the company's website.

Speaker #2: In addition, today's remarks may refer to non-GAAP financial measures which are intended to supplement but not be a substitute for the most directly comparable GAAP measures.

Speaker #2: The earnings release, which accompanies today's call, contains financial and other quantitative information to be discussed today as well as the reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures.

Speaker #2: The Q4 earnings release is available on the company's website. A replay of this presentation, a copy of today's transcript, and the company's latest quarterly investor presentation will all be available soon after the call on Titan's website.

Alan Snyder: A replay of this presentation, a copy of today's transcript, and the company's latest quarterly investor presentation will all be available soon after the call on Titan's website. I would now like to turn the call over to Paul.

Speaker #2: I would now like to turn the call over to Paul.

Speaker #3: Thanks, Alan, and good morning. Before getting into our results, I want to take a moment to congratulate Tonya Haley on his promotion to CFO, having him today on his first earnings call.

Paul Reitz: Thanks, Alan. Good morning. Before getting into our results, I want to take a moment to congratulate Tony Eheli on his promotion to CFO, having him today on his first earnings call. Tony has been a key member of our management team since joining Titan in March 2021. Our ability to promote from within our organization is really a major plus and a sign of the talent we have on our team. This is making for a seamless transition. I'm really enthused to see Tony taking charge as CFO and real proud of what he has done at Titan. I also want to thank David for his accomplishments as CFO and note that he is hard at work. He's got a new role as Chief Transformation Officer.

Speaker #3: Tony has been a key member of our management team since joining Titan in March of 2021. Our ability to promote from within our organization is really a major plus and a sign of the talent we have on our team.

Speaker #3: Therefore, this is making for a seamless transition. I'm really enthusiastic Tony taking charge of CFO and real proud of what he has done at Titan.

Speaker #3: I also want to thank David for his accomplishments as CFO. Note that he is hard at work. He's got a new role as Chief Transformation Officer.

Speaker #3: It's great that we have the depth on our team to make this transition to put David in that CTO role and believe it will bring value to our shareholders.

Paul Reitz: It's great that we have the depth on our team to make this transition, to put David in that CTO role and believe it will bring value to our shareholders. We look forward to sharing more about David's efforts in coming quarters. Well, let's turn over our results now and take a look at 2025. We concluded the year with another positive quarter as our Q4 exceeded prior year, excuse me, in revenue, gross margin, and Adjusted EBITDA. These results are ahead of our revenue guidance and also better than our Adjusted EBITDA expectations.

Speaker #3: We look forward to sharing more about David's efforts in coming quarters. But let's turn over our results now and take a look at 2025.

Speaker #3: We concluded the year with another positive quarter as our Q4 exceeded prior revenue, prior year, excuse me, in revenue gross margin and adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker #3: These results are ahead of our revenue guidance and also better than our adjusted EBITDA expectations. As I look back at 2025, this was the year where the diversity and breadth of our business, from a product and geography standpoint, combined with our new product introductions, our one-stop-shop distribution capabilities, and the strength and commitment of our team, enabled Titan to weather a formidable storm in the ag sector and deal with the evolving trade policies.

Paul Reitz: As I look back at 2025, this was a year where the diversity and breadth of our business from a product and geography standpoint, combined with our new product introductions, our one-stop-shop distribution capabilities, and the strength and commitment of our team, enabled Titan to weather a formidable storm in the ag sector and deal with the evolving trade policies. I'll touch on that point again later into my comments. Broadly speaking, the ag market had a bumpy, tough year. It's really due to a number of factors that were weighing on demand. I do want to note, though, we are optimistic that the resulting OEM finished goods inventory destocking has largely run its course. We've seen that in our internal dealings, and then we've all heard it recently from leadership at OEMs.

Speaker #3: I'll touch on that point again later in my comments. Broadly speaking, the ag market had a bumpy tough year. It's really due to a number of factors that were weighing on demand.

Speaker #3: I do want to note, though, we are optimistic that the resulting OEM finished goods inventory destocking has largely run its course. We've seen that in our internal dealings and then we've all heard it recently from leadership at OEMs.

Speaker #3: While none of the major OEMs are forecasting any meaningful overall ag growth in 2026, we nonetheless think the bottom is behind us as equipment inventory is stabilized, equipment keeps running and aging, and the government continues with its support to farmers.

Paul Reitz: While none of the major OEMs are forecasting any meaningful overall ag growth in 2026, we nonetheless think the bottom is behind us as equipment inventory is stabilized, equipment keeps running and aging, and the government continues with its support to farmers. Additionally, we are optimistic that trade policy will get a bit more settled in 2026, and interest rates do look to be holding steady. This all leading to hopefully leading buyers to start buying more equipment and feeling confident about their purchase decisions this year. With that being said, we do have guarded optimism for the year that's illustrated in our guidance that expresses some growth over 2025. Let's start by taking a deeper look into each of our segments, beginning with ag. At a higher level, livestock producers enjoyed a good 2025, while row crop farmers had a more difficult time.

Speaker #3: Additionally, we are optimistic that trade policy will get a bit more settled in '26, and interest rates do look to be holding steady. This all leading to hopefully leading buyers to start buying more equipment and feeling confident about their purchase decisions this year.

Speaker #3: With that being said, we do have guarded optimism for the year. That's illustrated in our guidance that expresses some growth over 2025. So let's start by taking a deeper look into each of our segments, beginning with ag.

Speaker #3: At a higher level, livestock producers enjoyed a good ’25, while row crop farmers had a more difficult time. I want to note that because row crop farmers raising commodities such as corn and soybeans are natural buyers of larger horsepower equipment, from tractors to combines and sprayers.

Paul Reitz: I want to note that because row crop farmers raising commodities such as corn and soybeans are natural buyers of larger horsepower equipment, from tractors to combines, and sprayers. Depressed grain prices, higher input costs have weighed on their PNLs, resulting in a reduction in demand for new equipment. The government programs have been really strong in 2025 to support the liquidity and balance sheets of farmers, and that government support is expected to continue, along with hopefully some policy actions to drive biofuels to provide some tailwinds for the farming sector. Of course, it also bears repeating that as long as those farmers run their equipment, they continue to need replacement tires to keep their tractors rolling. On the other hand, though, you got livestock producers.

Speaker #3: Depressed grain prices, higher input costs have weighed on their P&Ls, resulting in a reduction in demand for new equipment. The government programs have been really strong in '25 to support the liquidity and balance sheets of farmers and that government support is expected to continue, along with hopefully some policy actions to drive biofuels to provide some tailwinds for the farming sector.

Speaker #3: Of course, it also bears repeating that as long as those farmers run their equipment, they continue to need replacement tires to keep their tractors rolling.

Speaker #3: On the other hand, though, you got livestock producers. They tend to utilize mid to smaller, mid-range to smaller equipment. And with their operations enjoying better profitability in '25, the resulting demand for their equipment has fared better than row crop.

Paul Reitz: They tend to utilize mid-range to smaller equipment, and with their operations enjoying better profitability in 2025, the resulting demand for their equipment has fared better than row crop. The net result was the market for smaller equipment performed better than large and is forecasted to continue on that path again this year. I do want to note that Titan has a strong business in the smaller equipment sector, as we can provide complete wheel tire assemblies to OEMs that they can simply bolt onto equipment, thus greatly improving their supply chain and inventory management processes. Moving over to the EMC segment, that enters 2026 as our end market with the most optimism. The end markets we serve, such as construction or earthmoving, are generally in a good place right now.

Speaker #3: The net result was the market for smaller equipment performed better than large and is forecasted to continue on that path again this year. I do want to note that Titan has a strong business in the smaller equipment sector as we can provide complete wheel tire assemblies to OEMs that they can simply bolt onto equipment, thus greatly improving their supply chain and inventory management processes.

Speaker #3: Moving over to the EMC segment, that enters 2026 as our end market with the most optimism. The end markets we serve, such as construction and earth moving, are generally in a good place right now, maybe not the same type of robust growth that we reported in Q4, but they are in good shape nonetheless.

Paul Reitz: Maybe not the same type of robust growth that we reported in Q4, but they are in good shape nonetheless. Activity in this segment is well supported by infrastructure spend and demand for minerals, which will be a benefit for our aftermarket mining sales. A good portion of our EMC sales are tied to the European construction market, and the EU seems to be prioritizing investment in infrastructure. Our business there is well positioned. Moving over to the consumer segment, you know, we are optimistic, as recent reports from leading powersports equipment OEMs are pointing to dealer inventories having reached a state of equilibrium. That hopefully means any return to demand will drive production and thus a need for tires. I'll also reiterate that aftermarket sales constitute a significant portion of our consumer segment sales, and there's less cyclicality to that part of the business.

Speaker #3: Activity in this segment is well supported by infrastructure spend and demand for minerals, which will be a benefit for our aftermarket mining sales. A good portion of our EMC sales are tied to the European construction market.

Speaker #3: In the EU, it seems to be prioritizing investment in infrastructure, so our business there is well positioned. Moving over to the consumer segment, we are optimistic as recent reports from leading power sports equipment OEMs are pointing to dealer inventories having reached a state of equilibrium, so that hopefully means any return of demand will drive production and thus a need for tires.

Speaker #3: I'll also reiterate that aftermarket sales constitute a significant portion of our consumer segment sales, and there is less cyclicality to that part of the business.

Speaker #3: It's been an important part of how we've been able to drive continued strong margin results through the cyclical trough this time around. Before I hand it off to Tony, I do want to close with some comments on our business and tariffs.

Paul Reitz: It's been an important part of how we've been able to drive continued strong margin results through the cyclical trough this time around. Before I hand it off to Tony, I do want to close with some comments on our business and tariffs. Obviously, there are a lot of unprecedented global macro issues right now. I want to emphasize that our end markets are overwhelmingly composed of end buyers that depend on their equipment to make a living. That could be farmers planting and harvesting crops, contractors building roads, miners extracting minerals, or residential landscapers mowing lawns. That all equates to very durable long-term demand for our products. In the short term, we've seen a lengthy, over 30-month downturn in ag, as end buyers defer purchasing new equipment and move towards a philosophy of new to me in the form of used equipment.

Speaker #3: Obviously, there are a lot of unprecedented global macro issues right now, but I want to emphasize that our end markets are overwhelmingly composed of end buyers who depend on their equipment to make a living.

Speaker #3: That can be farmers planting and harvesting crops, contractors building roads, miners extracting minerals, or residential landscapers mowing lawns. That all equates to very durable long-term demand for our products.

Speaker #3: In the short term, we've seen a lengthy over 30-month downturn in ag as end buyers defer purchasing new equipment and move towards a philosophy of new to me in the form of used equipment.

Speaker #3: Even when this is the case, the continued usage of existing equipment in all of our segments drives demand for replacement tires, including our LSWs that make used equipment perform better, and undercarriage parts that need replaced.

Paul Reitz: Even when this is the case, the continued usage of existing equipment in all of our segments drives demand for replacement tires, including our LSWs that make used equipment perform better and undercarriage parts that need replaced. At the same time, the equipment, those tires and parts are fitted to continue to experience wear and tear, driving up demand for new replacement equipment at some point. For Titan, that means we can win now and also win later, and the way we maximize that opportunity is by continuing to innovate, expand our product line, and stay close to our customers. Finally, regarding tariffs. You know, I've expressed optimism throughout 2025 regarding the long-term benefits to Titan from the implementation of tariffs.

Speaker #3: At the same time, the equipment, those tires and parts are fitted to continue to experience wear and tear. Driving up demand for new replacement equipment at some point.

Speaker #3: For Titan, that means we can win now and also win later. And the way we maximize that opportunity is by continuing to innovate, expand our product line, and stay close to our customers.

Speaker #3: And finally, regarding tariffs, I've expressed optimism throughout 2025 regarding the long-term benefits to Titan from the implementation of tariffs. My viewpoint was based on a number of factors.

Paul Reitz: My viewpoint was based on a number of factors, but first and foremost, were the 3 favorable rulings that Titan received from the International Trade Commission over the past 15 years. In those cases, the ITC ruled that Titan's primary foreign competitors operated unfairly. We felt confident that was happening, and so why we brought the cases forward, and that was deemed to be the case in the rulings in favor of Titan. It is clear to us that the administration was also targeting unfair trading practices with their IEEPA-based tariffs. You know, the implementation of these tariffs in a constantly evolving manner resulted in uncertainty, and I know I'm stating the obvious with that. In our industry, there was a surge of imported tires before the tariffs went into effect, especially, we saw that in ag.

Speaker #3: The first and foremost were the three favorable rulings that Titan received from the International Trade Commission over the past 15 years. In those cases, the ITC ruled that Titan's primary foreign competitors operated unfairly.

Speaker #3: We felt confident that was happening, and so why we brought the cases forward, and that was deemed to be the case in the rulings in favor of Titan.

Speaker #3: It is clear to us that the administration was also targeting unfair trading practices with their IEPA-based tariffs. However, the implementation of these tariffs in a constantly evolving manner resulted in uncertainty, and I know I'm stating the obvious with that.

Speaker #3: In our industry, there was a surge of imported tires before the tariffs went into effect, especially we saw that in ag. This story is not unique to Titan.

Paul Reitz: This story is not unique to Titan, it is being played out in many industrial companies similar to us. We also saw many of our import tire competitors absorb most of the remaining tariff costs throughout 2025. They've gone on record stating that. In essence, the potential positive impact from the administration's policies were neutralized in our sector during the past year. I want to note, though, we still achieved a solid performance in 2025 despite the volatility caused by tariffs. It does look like that tariff uncertainty is going to continue into 2026, especially given the recent Supreme Court decision. Even so, we still believe that in the long term, tariffs are important to our industry to mitigate unfair trade practices that have taken place for many years.

Speaker #3: It is being played out in many industrial companies similar to us. We also saw many of our import tire competitors absorb most of the remaining tariff costs throughout 2025.

Speaker #3: They've gone on record stating that. In essence, the potential positive impact from the administration's policies were neutralized in our sector during the past year.

Speaker #3: I want to note, though, we still achieved a solid performance in 2025 despite the volatility caused by tariffs. It does look like that tariff uncertainty is going to continue into '26, especially given the recent Supreme Court decision.

Speaker #3: Even so, we still believe that in the long term, tariffs are important to our industry, to mitigate unfair trade practices that have taken place for many years.

Speaker #3: It is becoming more clear that the administration has options to improve trade policy that go beyond tariffs. That includes quotas and embargoes. These could be useful tools to support US manufacturing as well.

Paul Reitz: It is becoming more clear that the administration has options to improve trade policy that go beyond tariffs. That includes quotas, embargoes. These could be useful tools to support US manufacturing as well. Titan has proven for decades, and most recently during the pandemic, the resulting post-pandemic supply chain shock, and now the evolving tariff situation in 2025, that no matter what may happen in the world, we are very well positioned to serve our customers with our geographical footprint, our network of joint ventures and strategic sourcing partners, and our one-stop distribution and dealer network. In closing, I want to reiterate our optimism that we believe 2025 was a trough year, and with that behind us, we are hopeful to continue to make gains and improvements in 2026. With that, I will hand it off to Tony.

Speaker #3: Titan has proven for decades and most recently during the pandemic the resulting post-pandemic supply chain shock and now the evolving tariff situation in 2025 that no matter what may happen in the world, we are very well positioned to serve our customers with our geographical footprint, our network of joint ventures and strategic sourcing partners, and our one-stop distribution and dealer network.

Speaker #3: In closing, I want to reiterate our optimism that we believe '25 was a trough year and without behind us, we are hopeful to continue to make gains and improvements in 2026.

Speaker #3: With that, I will hand it off to Tony.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Paul. Good morning, everyone. And thanks for joining us today. I want to take a moment to thank everyone for their well wishes.

Tony Eheli: Thank you, Paul. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. I want to take a moment to thank everyone for their well wishes. I am certainly excited to be in the role as CFO, and as I have noted in conversations I have had with many of you over the last two months, we have an excellent team with a well-developed plan. As Paul noted, our results for Q4 were solid, with revenues at the top of our guidance range and Adjusted EBITDA a bit better than we predicted. There are some important financial metrics to highlight this quarter. Sales grew 7% year-over-year. EMC segment sales were a particularly bright spot, growing 21%. Gross margins expanded modestly to 10.9%. Adjusted EBITDA grew 17% to $11 million.

Speaker #2: I am certainly excited to be in the role as CFO, and as I have noted in conversations I have had with many of you over the last two months, we have an excellent team with a well-developed plan.

Speaker #2: As Paul noted, our results for the fourth quarter were solid. With revenues at the top of our guidance range, and adjusted EBITDA a bit better than we predicted.

Speaker #2: There are some important financial metrics to highlight this quarter. Sales grew 7% year over year. EMC segment sales were a particularly bright spot, growing 21%.

Speaker #2: Gross margins expanded modestly to 10.9%. Adjusted EBITDA grew 17% to 11 million. Unpacking our business by segments, I'll start with EMC as it was our best performer.

Tony Eheli: Unpacking our business by segments, I'll start with EMC, as it was our best performer. Segment revenues were up 21% from a particularly weak Q4 last year to $141 million. Globally, construction and mining continued to be active end markets, underpinning demand for both new equipment and replacement parts. Geographically, the growth was strong in Europe, which is the largest market for the segment sales. The US also delivered solid growth from OE demand in light construction products. The EMC segment also enjoyed a nice contribution from foreign currency translation, which added 5.6% to the relative performance. As a reminder, a significant portion of our EMC revenues are in markets outside the US, a weakening dollar can be a tailwind for the segment.

Speaker #2: Segment revenues were up 21% from a particularly weak fourth quarter last year, to 141 million dollars. Globally, construction and mining continue to be active end markets, underpinning demand for both new equipment and replacement parts.

Speaker #2: Geographically, the growth was strong in Europe, which is the largest market for the segment sales. But the US also delivered solid growth from OE demand in light construction products.

Speaker #2: The EMC segment also enjoyed a nice contribution from foreign currency translation which added 5.6% to the relative performance. As a reminder, a significant portion of our EMC revenues are in markets outside the US, so a weakening dollar can be a tailwind for the segment.

Tony Eheli: Ag segment revenues were up 2.6% from prior year, driven by FX tailwinds, which had a positive impact on the segment, adding 3.3%. Digging a bit deeper into the Ag segment in the US, we are starting to see some variability in demand and volumes as a function of equipment size. Through 2025, much attention was given to the struggles of corn and soybean farmers and how that weighed on demand for larger tractors and combines. On the other hand, farmers raising livestock had a good 2025, and their finances in a better position on the whole. Demand for meat and small-sized equipment suited to the operations fared better. Our Ag business in Brazil saw activity moderate a bit after being a source of strength in late 2024 and the first part of 2025.

Speaker #2: Our segment revenues were up 2.6% from prior year driven by FX tailwinds. Which had a positive impact on the segment adding 3.3%. Digging a bit deeper into the our segment in the US, we are starting to see some variability in demand and volumes.

Speaker #2: As a function of equipment size, through 2025, much attention was given to the struggles of corn and soybean farmers and how that weighed on demand for larger tractors and combined.

Speaker #2: On the other hand, farmers raising livestock had a good 2025, and their finances in a better position on the whole. Demand for meat and small size equipment suited to the operations fared better.

Speaker #2: Our business in Brazil saw activity moderate a bit after being a source of strength in late 2024 and the first part of '25. Broadly, farmers in Brazil are contending with higher input costs and high interest rates.

Tony Eheli: Broadly, farmers in Brazil are contending with higher input costs and high interest rates, coupled with declining market prices for their grains. An upcoming election cycle is also weighing on demand there as people wait for clarity on policy direction. Lastly, in consumer, Q4 revenues were off 1.5% from the prior year, as activity was generally slow in the non-specialty part of the segment, while the specialty business held up well. Entering 2026, recent commentary from leading off-road vehicle OEMs has pointed to dealer inventories being at desired levels. With that, a resumption of end market demand should flow through to demand for manufacturing inputs as wheels and tires. At the same time, we don't see any reason to expect a decline in usage, thereby supporting solid aftermarket higher demand.

Speaker #2: Coupled with declining market prices for their grains, an upcoming election cycle is also weighing on demand there as people wait for clarity on policy direction.

Speaker #2: Lastly, in consumer, Q4 revenues were off 1.5% from the prior year, as activity was generally slow in the non-specialty part of the segment, while the specialty business held up well.

Speaker #2: Entering 2026, recent commentary from leading off-road vehicle OEMs has pointed to dealer inventories being at desired levels. With that, a resumption of end market demand should flow through to demand for manufacturing inputs as wheels and tires.

Speaker #2: At the same time, we don't see any reason to expect a decline in usage; thereby supporting solid aftermarket higher demand. After all, people will still need to mow their lawns and off-road enthusiasts will still need to ride their ATVs.

Tony Eheli: After all, people will still need to mow their lawns, and off-road enthusiasts will still need to ride their ATVs. Looking at margins by segment in the quarter, EMC showed nice expansion as revenue growth allowed for better fixed cost leverage. EMC gross margin in Q4 was 9.3% versus 5.9% in the prior year. Our gross margin was level to prior year at 9.1%. Consumer gross margin slipped to 15.6%, compared with 18.1%. The year-over-year decline in the consumer gross margin was due primarily to the product mix and reduced leverage.

Speaker #2: Looking at margins by segment in the quarter, EMC showed nice expansion as revenue growth allowed for better fixed cost leverage. EMC gross margin in Q4 was 9.3% versus 5.9% in the prior year.

Speaker #2: Our gross margin was level to prior year at 9.1%. Consumer gross margin slipped to 15.6% compared with 18.1%. The year-over-year decline in the consumer gross margin was due primarily to the product mix and reduced leverage.

Speaker #2: Moving on, our SG&A included R&D expenses for the fourth quarter of 2025, where 52.8 million compared to 55.7 million for the comparable period in the prior year.

Tony Eheli: Moving on, our SG&A including R&D expenses for Q4 of 2025 were $52.8 million, compared to $55.7 million for the comparable period in the prior year, primarily due to lower legal costs, benefits, and insurance costs. For the full year 2025, excluding the impact of the additional two months of the Carlstar acquisition, SG&A, including R&D expenses, increased under $1 million or just 0.3% year-over-year. Operating cash flow in Q4 was $30 million, while CapEx was $18 million. For the full year, CapEx was just below $55 million and down substantially from $66 million in 2024. Q4 free cash flow was negative $5 million and was comparable to prior year. We ended the year with net debt of $383 million and a leverage ratio of 3.8x.

Speaker #2: Primarily due to lower legal cost benefits and insurance costs. For the full year '25, excluding the impact of the additional two months of the CalSTAR acquisition, SG&A including R&D expenses increased under 1 million, or just 0.3% year over year.

Speaker #2: Operating cash flow in the fourth quarter was 13 million, while CapEx was 18 million dollars. For the full year, CapEx was just below 55 million and down substantially from six to six million in 2024.

Speaker #2: Q4 free cash flow was negative 5 million dollars and was comparable to prior year. We ended the year with net debt of 383 million dollars.

Speaker #2: And a leverage ratio of 3.8 times. Managing working capital and CapEx will continue to be a key priority in 2026. During the quarter, we recorded valuation allowances against certain deferred tax assets totaling 40 million dollars.

Tony Eheli: Managing working capital and CapEx will continue to be a key priority in 2026. During the quarter, we recorded valuation allowances against certain deferred tax assets totaling $40 million. While our long-term strategy and market outlook remain positive, recent cumulative losses and market conditions have required us to have a more conservative view on our accounting guidance. We have commented on our taxes in recent quarters, and I'll reiterate that as we see a rebound in market conditions, we expect to get back to normalized tax rate levels. We anticipate taxes in Q1 2026 to be in the $4 to 5 billion range, similar to Q1 2025. On tariffs, as Paul noted, we believe that well-implemented tariffs in the long run are a benefit to Titan. The recent approach to implementing tariffs has not been beneficial to Titan.

Speaker #2: While our long-term strategy and market outlook remain positive, recent cumulative losses and market conditions have required us to have a more conservative view on our accounting guidance.

Speaker #2: We have commented on our taxes in recent quarters, and I'll reiterate that as we see a rebound in market conditions, we expect to get back to normalized tax rate levels.

Speaker #2: We anticipate taxes in Q1 '26 to be in the four to five million dollar range similar to Q1 '25. On tariffs, as Paul noted, we believe that well-implemented tariffs in the long run are a benefit to Titan.

Speaker #2: And the recent approach to implementing tariffs has not been beneficial to Titan. However, we have still managed through this and protected our bottom line from the impact over the past year.

Tony Eheli: However, we have still managed through this and protected our bottom line from the impact over the past year by taking appropriate actions to mitigate tariff costs amidst the frequent changes. We expect that our multi-sourcing strategy will continue to provide a competitive advantage as we manage through the fluid nature of the tariff policy. Now, moving on to our financial guidance for Q1 2026. Our guidance for the quarter is, revenues of $490 million to $510 million, and Adjusted EBITDA of $28 million to $33 million. Both of those ranges imply relatively flat performance compared with last year's Q1. We are reintroducing fiscal year guidance for 2026, as we believe we have reached a trough in most of our markets.

Speaker #2: By taking appropriate actions to mitigate tariff costs, amidst the frequent changes, we expect that a multi-sourcing strategy will continue to provide a competitive advantage as we manage through the fluid nature of the tariff policy.

Speaker #2: Now, moving on to our financial guidance for Q1 '26, our guidance for the quarter is revenues of 490 million to 510 million dollars. And adjusted EBITDA of 28 million dollars to 33 million dollars.

Speaker #2: Both of those ranges imply relatively flat performance compared with last year's Q1. We are reintroducing fiscal year guidance for 2026 as we believe we have reached the trough in most of our markets.

Tony Eheli: Revenues of $1.85 billion to $1.95 billion, Adjusted EBITDA of $105 million to $150 million. This guidance range is reflective of improvement compared to 2025 on both the top and bottom line. We are confident our sectors are starting to move past the cyclical trough. The extensive destocking we saw across our end markets have supply chains fairly tight, this gives us some optimism that an uptick in end market demand will flow through to us. Thank you for your time this morning. We would now like to turn it back over to the operator for the Q&A session.

Speaker #2: Revenues of 1.85 billion to 1.95 billion dollars and adjusted EBITDA of 105 million to 115 million dollars. This guidance range is reflective of improvements compared to bottom line.

Speaker #2: We are confident our sectors are starting to move past the cyclical trough. The extensive destocking we saw across our end markets has supply chains fairly tight.

Speaker #2: And this gives us some optimism that an uptick in end market demand will flow through to us. Thank you for your time this morning.

Speaker #2: We would now like to turn it back over to the operator for the Q&A session.

Speaker #1: Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press start followed by one on your telephone keypad now. If you feel your question has been answered or for any reason you would like to remove yourself from the queue, please press start followed by two.

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Mike Schlisky: Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions here. Tony, I appreciate your comments here on the guidance for 2026. Could you give us maybe some just broad directional thoughts on each segment's top line and bottom line? It just seems like in the last quarter, we had such a different, you know, different direction and trajectory between construction and consumer. I'd be curious if you'd give us some broadly, you know, who's gonna outperform, who's gonna underperform from a segment perspective in 2026.

Speaker #3: Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions here. Tony, I appreciate your comments here on the guidance for, 2026. Could you give us, maybe some just broad directional thoughts on each segment's top line and bottom line?

Speaker #3: it just seems like in the last quarter we had such a different, you know, different tr direction and trajectory between construction and ag consumer.

Speaker #3: I'd be curious if you could give us some broadly, you know, who's gonna outperform, who's gonna underperform from a separate perspective in 2026.

Speaker #4: Good thanks, Mike. yes, we, you know, by segment, you know, like we saw in Q4, EMC was the outperforming segment. We expect that to continue into 2026.

Tony Eheli: Okay, thanks, Mike. You know, by segment, like we saw in Q4, EMC was the outperforming segment. We expect that to continue into 2026. Ag, we expect to be flattish, that's because while we see improvement in small ag, we are yet to see that improvement in large ag. For our consumer segment, we also expect improvements, but on a lesser note relative to EMC, and that's on the top line. Bottom line, we expect improvements in both EMC and consumer. On the ag side, we see more OE pricing pressure there, that will not have as much improvement as the other segments would.

Speaker #4: Ag, we expect to be flattish, and that's because while we see improvements in small ag, we are yet to see that improvement in large ag.

Speaker #4: And then for our consumer segments, we also expect improvements both on the lesser notes relative to EMC. And that's on the top line. Bottom line, we expect improvements in both EMC and, and consumer.

Speaker #4: on the ag side, we see more OE pricing pressure there. And so that will not have as much improvement as, as the other segments would.

Mike Schlisky: Outstanding. Thanks. Just looking at the ag segment on a quarterly cadence basis, you've been positive for a few quarters now in ag. Would you say that ag will have a better second half compared to the first? That's where the OEMs are kind of pointing. You know, perhaps there's positive but relatively low growth rates the first 2 quarters and some better growth in the back half of the year. Is that the right way to look at it for ag for 2026?

Speaker #3: Outstanding. thanks. And then just looking at the ag segment on a quarterly cadence basis, you've been positive for a few quarters now in ag.

Speaker #3: when you started at ag, we'll have a better second half compared to the first. That's where the OEMs are kind of pointing. And, you know, perhaps there's just there's positive, but relatively low growth rates the first two quarters and some better, better growth in the back half of the year.

Speaker #3: Is that the right way to look at it for ag for '26?

Speaker #4: Yeah, that's, that's right. You, you, you're right on that, Mike. we, we expect the first half of the year really to, you know, to be somewhat what we're seeing already, flattish.

Tony Eheli: Yeah, that's right. You're right on that, Mike. We expect the first half of the year really to, you know, to be somewhat what we're seeing already, flattish. Later in the year, we're expecting growth. We're expecting some recovery given what the OE is saying. That's been hopeful that we will see some recovery on the large ag front.

Speaker #4: later in the year, we've, we're expecting growth. We're expecting some recovery given what the OEs are saying. And, that's been hopeful that we will see some recovery on the large ag front.

Speaker #3: Great. And then, lastly, I wanted to inquire about the South America JV and the situation in South America broadly. In-person, mixed content on the OEMs—you've got a JV rolling out.

Mike Schlisky: Great. Lastly, I wanted to inquire about the South America JV and the situation in South America broadly. In person, you've counted on the OEMs. You've got a JV rolling out. Just some thoughts as to how that's been going from your perspective and from a broader market perspective. Thanks.

Speaker #3: Just some thoughts as to how that's been going from your perspective and from a broader market perspective. Thanks.

Speaker #5: Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's a good question, Mike, on Brazil and, and South America generally. I mean, Brazil gets all the, the conversation with the emphasis they have on, on ag.

Paul Reitz: It's a good question, Mike, on Brazil and South America generally. I mean, Brazil gets all the conversation with the emphasis they have on ag. You know, the political turmoil, I would say, is kind of front and center there when you talk to the Brazilians. It's unfortunate they lived through way too much of that, and it's coming to life again. You know, we have seen the OEMs pull back on their production schedules to start the year, coming off a really strong 25, as Tony noted in his comments. We're watching that closely, but from Titan's perspective, I mean, the JV's given us that boost of additional confidence and strength in the marketplace.

Speaker #5: you know, the political torm-turmoil, I, I would say is, is, is kind of front and center there when you talk to the Brazilians. It's unfortunate.

Speaker #5: They lived through way too much of that. and it's coming to life again. So, you know, we have seen the, the OEMs pull back on their production schedules to, to start the year.

Speaker #5: coming off a, a, a really strong '25 as, as Tony noted in his comments. So we're watching that closely, but from Titan's perspective, I mean, the JV's given us that boost of additional confidence and strength in the marketplace.

Speaker #5: You know, our, our strategy that we've seen play, play out very successfully for decades in North America with the wheel tire combination. is, is what we're replicating in, in Brazil.

Paul Reitz: You know, our strategy that we've seen play out very successfully for decades in North America with the wheel tire combination is what we're replicating in Brazil. It's obviously early days of that, but, you know, the teams on both sides are really in a good position within the marketplace. It's how do we capitalize on the strength of our two positions together? You know, we're starting to see some of that come together. I think it's something that will play itself out more in the back half of the year. You know, again, in the early parts of the year with the market conditions. You know, what we don't believe in is using price as a weapon to go chase volume.

Speaker #5: It's, it's obviously early days of that. but, you know, the teams on both sides, are really, in a good position within the marketplace. So it's, it's how do we capitalize on the strength of our two positions together?

Speaker #5: And, you know, we're starting to see some of that come together. I, I think it's something that will, will play itself out more in the back half of the year.

Speaker #5: You know, again, in the in the early parts of the year with the, the market conditions, you know, what we don't believe in is using price as a weapon to go chase volume.

Speaker #5: we have too good of, businesses again in both wheels and tires there to do that. But we are seeing the, you know, the wheel business gain some momentum by being associated with Titan.

Paul Reitz: We have too good of businesses, again, in both wheels and tires there to do that. We are seeing the, you know, the wheel business gain some momentum by being associated with Titan. Certainly the OEMs, you know, like that, the position that we bring to them. We'll give you more updates on that as the year progresses, but, you know, feel really good about where we're at. You know, just to note, I mean, we have these two companies, you know, us and Roderos, have known each other for a number of years. These aren't two strangers that just decided to form a joint venture and a partnership. We've been working together for a number of years, so great to see it be formalized into a joint venture.

Speaker #5: certainly the, the OEMs, you know, like that, the position that we bring to them. So we'll, we'll give you more updates on that as the year progresses.

Speaker #5: But, you know, feel really good about where we're at and, you know, just to note, I mean, we have these two, these two companies, you know, us and Rodeiros have known each other for a number of years.

Speaker #5: So these aren't two strangers that just decided to form a, a joint venture and a partnership. We've, we've been working, working together for a number of years.

Speaker #5: So great to great to see it be formalized into a joint venture.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Mike Schlisky: Thank you.

Speaker #5: Thanks, Mike.

Paul Reitz: Thanks, Mike.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from Derek Soderbergh from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Derek Soderberg from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: Yeah, hey guys. Thanks for taking the questions. just wanted to start on consumer gross margin. I'm wondering how we should think about gross margin for that segment in '26.

[Analyst] (Cantor Fitzgerald): Yeah. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Just wanted to start on consumer gross margin. I'm wondering how we should think about gross margin for that segment in 2026. I don't know if you can talk about some levers you can pull on, you know, this year to bring that margin back up.

Derek Soderberg: Yeah. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Just wanted to start on consumer gross margin. I'm wondering how we should think about gross margin for that segment in 2026. I don't know if you can talk about some levers you can pull on, you know, this year to bring that margin back up.

Speaker #3: And I don't know if you can talk about some levers you can pull on. you know, this year, to bring that margin back up.

Tony Eheli: Yeah, thanks for that question. We're expecting some improvement in the gross margin for consumer, as I had mentioned earlier. We are also, you know, we're winning new business. There are initiatives we're driving that we know will improve the margin. Yeah, it will be some incremental margin, something reasonable, you know, but we expect it to stay in that, in a decent range of where it's been, with some improvement there.

Speaker #4: thanks for that question. We, we're expecting some improvement in the gross margin for consumer. As I had mentioned earlier, and we are also, you know, we're winning new, new business.

Speaker #4: there are initiatives we're driving that we know would improve the margin. So yeah, it will be some incremental margin, something reasonable, you know, but we expect, it to stay in that in a decent range.

Speaker #4: Of what it's been, with some improvement there.

Speaker #3: Got it. and then just in the, EMC segment, you know, performing pretty well. can you sort of detail which specific end markets and geographies you expect to sort of perform well in '26?

[Analyst] (Cantor Fitzgerald): Got it. Just in the EMC segment, you know, performing pretty well. Can you sort of detail which specific end markets and geographies you expect to sort of perform well in 2026? Just talk about kind of what's going on there and what we should expect for this year.

Derek Soderberg: Got it. Just in the EMC segment, you know, performing pretty well. Can you sort of detail which specific end markets and geographies you expect to sort of perform well in 2026? Just talk about kind of what's going on there and what we should expect for this year.

Speaker #3: just talk about kind of what's going on there and, and what we should expect for this year.

Speaker #4: From an EMC standpoint, as you will recall, Europe is a big piece of our business in EMC. And the construction there is driven by infrastructure.

Tony Eheli: From an EMC standpoint, as you will recall, Europe is a big piece of our business in EMC. The construction there is driven by infrastructure. We will be seeing a lot of good performance there from our Europe business. Like I also said, also in North America and the US, we've seen light construction as well. That's also improving as well. It's across our geographies that we're seeing this positive momentum on EMC. Now, with the exception of Brazil, which we've heard things about in Latin America and, you know, the elections coming up in Brazil and all that. Maybe not so much. They've had such a wonderful year in the last year was really solid in Brazil. Things have softened a bit there.

Speaker #4: And so we're seeing—we will be seeing—a lot of good performance there from our Europe business. But like I also said, also in North America and the US, we've seen light construction as well.

Speaker #4: And that's also improving. As well. So it's across our geographies that we're seeing this positive momentum on EMC. Now, with the exception of Brazil, which we've heard things about in Latin America and, you know, the elections coming up in Brazil and all that, so maybe not so much.

Speaker #4: They've had such a wonderful year in the last, you know, the last year was really solid in Brazil. So things have softened a bit there.

Tony Eheli: Outside of Brazil, we're expecting that growth to be across the regions.

Speaker #4: But outside of Brazil, we're expecting that growth to be across the regions.

Tony Eheli: Outside of Brazil, we're expecting that growth to be across the regions.

[Analyst] (Cantor Fitzgerald): Got it. That's super helpful. Just one quick, final question. Just anything we should be looking out for on the R&D front this year? Where's sort of the priority, when you look at the product portfolio? Anything you're working on to sort of capture additional aftermarket share, you know, adding to, you know, some new technologies? Anything on the R&D front, that you guys are prioritizing this year? Thanks.

Derek Soderberg: Got it. That's super helpful. Just one quick, final question. Just anything we should be looking out for on the R&D front this year? Where's sort of the priority, when you look at the product portfolio? Anything you're working on to sort of capture additional aftermarket share, you know, adding to, you know, some new technologies? Anything on the R&D front, that you guys are prioritizing this year? Thanks.

Speaker #3: Got it. That's super, super helpful. and then just one quick, final question. just anything we should be looking out for on the R&D front this year.

Speaker #3: we're sort of the priority when you look at the product portfolio. anything you're, you're working on to sort of capture additional aftermarket share, you know, adding to, you know, some new technologies.

Speaker #3: anything on the R&D front, that you guys are prioritizing this year? Thanks.

Speaker #5: Yeah. And, and Derek, I mean, it's, it's become really the backbone of, of who we are. So, you know, even circling back to your question on consumer margins, you know, one of the ways we have added value to the, the Carlstar acquisition, which we now call our specialty division, is by bringing innovation into play.

Paul Reitz: Yeah, Derek, I mean, it's become really the backbone of who we are. You know, even circling back to your question on consumer margins, you know, one of the ways we have added value to the Carlstar acquisition, which we now call our specialty division, is by bringing innovation into play. We have significantly increased the amount of new products that they've introduced. We're putting the Goodyear brand on a number of products in that segment. When we do that, we're increasing margins. Part of our levers that we're pulling for the margin improvements in consumer are really through the product innovations and R&D.

Speaker #5: we have significantly increased, increased the, the amount of new products that they've introduced. We've, we're putting the Goodyear brand, on a number of products in that segment.

Speaker #5: And so when we do that, we, we're increasing margins. So part of the, our, our levers that we're pulling for the margin improvements in consumer are really through the product innovations and R&D.

Speaker #5: So, tying that together to, to your question, you know, we're looking at 15% of our '26 sales are gonna come from new products that we've introduced in the past three years.

Paul Reitz: Tying that together to your question, you know, we're looking at 15% of our 2026 sales are going to come from new products that we've introduced in the past 3 years. Again, this is the backbone of who we are, what we where we see that coming into play, we encourage it to be across all of our business. You know, we got a new Titan forestry line coming out to continue to innovate with deep drop wheels. Our ACES brand, we continue to launch and develop further. We have a really cool VPO product that can run without air in the outdoor power equipment segment. You're competing with airless tires there at a much lower price point. Again, as I mentioned earlier, what we can do with just our branding is adds value.

Speaker #5: So again, this is the backbone of who we are. What we where we see that coming into play? we encourage it to be across our all of our business.

Speaker #5: So, you know, we got a new Titan Forestry line coming out. continue to innovate with deep drive wheels. Our ACES brand, we continue to launch and develop further.

Speaker #5: We have a really cool, VPO product that can run without air in the in the outdoor power equipment segment. So, you're competing with airless tires there, at, at a much lower price point.

Speaker #5: again, as I mentioned earlier, what we can do with just our branding i-is, is, is adds value. And, and every time we put a new product into the marketplace, it, it makes equipment perform better.

Paul Reitz: Every time we put a new product into the marketplace, it makes equipment perform better, so it's a win for the end user. A lot of times, we can do redesigns that improve the efficiency and the operations and the construction of those products as well. You know, again, it, you know, 15% of our sales in 2026 are coming from R&D. We don't look to have to spend more to achieve that. I think the run rate you saw in 2025 is where we'll be. You know, again, just in that consumer segment, what we can bring to that acquisition, you know, is another year behind us. We'll just continue to improve the strength of that business through our R&D efforts.

Speaker #5: So it's a win for the end user. And a lot of ti-times we can do redesigns that improve the efficiency and the operations in the in the construction o-of those, those products as well.

Speaker #5: So, you know, again, it's, you know, 15% of our sales in '26 are coming from R&D. We don't and we don't look to have to spend more to achieve that.

Speaker #5: so I think the run rate you saw in '25 is, is where we'll be. But, you know, again, just in that consumer segment, what we can bring to that acquisition, it, you know, it, it another year behind us, we'll just continue to improve the strength of that business through our R&D efforts.

Speaker #3: Very helpful. Thanks, guys.

Kirk Ludtke: Very helpful. Thanks, guys.

Derek Soderberg: Very helpful. Thanks, guys.

Speaker #5: Thanks, Derek.

Paul Reitz: Thanks, Derek.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from Steve Ferrazzani from Sidotti, the line is now open. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Steve Ferazani from Sidoti. The line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Morning, everyone. And, welcome to the call, Tony. look forward to further conversations with you. Paul, the striking number to me was, was the, the, the, the real strength in, i-in EMC this quarter.

Steve Ferazani: Morning, everyone, and welcome to the call. Tony, I look forward to further conversations with you. Paul, the striking number to me was the real strength in EMC this quarter. I think we discussed this last quarter with the expectation that there might be divergent paths, but even with FX, still surprised by how strong in the seasonally slower. How quickly were you able to meet demand, given we didn't see the normal downturn? If you could just generally give some color around that. I know so much of that's your European undercarriage business, but if you can sort of break that out for us, how quickly you're able to meet demand and where you really saw it.

Speaker #6: I think we discussed this last quarter with the expectation that there might be divergent paths, but even with FX, I’m still surprised by how strong we were in the seasonally slower period. How quickly were you able to meet demand, given we didn’t see the normal downturn?

Speaker #6: And if you could just generally give some color around that. I know so much of that's your European undercarriage business. But if you can sort of break that out for us, how quickly you were able to meet demand a-a-and where you really saw it.

Paul Reitz: Yeah, I mean, it's one of the challenges that we have throughout 25. It's also the strength of Titan. That when demand surges, business gets complex and chaotic, we do well. That's how we. You know, I kind of mentioned that in some of my comments during these periods we've seen over the last five years. You know, I continue to believe, and we continue to see that's a strength of ours. When demand surges like it did, you know, as Tony mentioned, with EMC in Europe, our aftermarket mining business, you know, it continues to perform well. As demand surges, which you could say with EMC, was at a lower level in the prior year.

Speaker #5: Yeah. I mean, it, it, it's, it's one of the challenges that we have throughout '25, but it's also the strength of Titan. that when demand surges, business gets complex and chaotic, we do well.

Speaker #5: that's how we you know, I kind of mentioned that in some of my comments during these, these, these periods we've seen over the last five years.

Speaker #5: And, you know, I continue to believe and we continue to see that's a strength of ours. So when demand surges like it did, you know, as Tony mentioned with EMC in Europe, our aftermarket mining business, you know, saw i-it continues to perform well.

Speaker #5: But as be demand surges, which you could say with EMC was at a at as a, a lower level in the prior year, so why we made the comments about, you know, the run rate going into '26, maybe Q4 is indicative of that.

Paul Reitz: I remade the comments about, you know, the run rate going into 2026, maybe Q4 is indicative of that, but nonetheless, it's still in a very good position. You know, to answer your question, Steve, I mean, I expect our team to be able to handle surges, and our customers count on us. That's the outlying strategy of who we are. We need to stay close to our customers and continue to be able to service them. Part of that is an environment where forecasts are tough to necessarily get accurate all the time. We can't expect them to be, and so we need to be there when our customers step up.

Speaker #5: But nonetheless, it's still in a very good position. But, you know, to answer your, your, your question, Steve, I mean, w I expect our team to be able to handle surges.

Speaker #5: And, and our, our customers count on us. That's the out-outlying strategy of who we are. we need to stay close to our customers and, and continue to be able to service them.

Speaker #5: And part of that is, is, is, you know, environment where forecasts are tough to, necessarily get accurate all the time. we can't expect them to be.

Speaker #5: And, and so we need to be there when our customers step up. So in a quarter like that where you do see a big surge in EMC, I think that points to the strength of Titan, how we can take care of our customers.

Paul Reitz: In a quarter like that, where you do see a big surge in EMC, I think that points to the strength of Titan, how we can take care of our customers. We don't turn away from that business. We don't run from it. We figure out how to get it done. That's how we approach going into 2026. I think you're going to see fits and starts of pockets that are going to outperform, and you'll see some that are still stuck. We don't sit still when those outperformance opportunities come. That's again, what we continue to do. That's who we are, and that's what we must continue to be. I think EMC is a really good example of that, you know, coming off a lower level, we saw a nice surge in 2025.

Speaker #5: We don't turn away from that business. We don't run from it. we figure out how to get it done. And, and that's, that's how we approach going into '26.

Speaker #5: I think you're gonna see fits and starts of pockets that are gonna outperform. You're gonna see some that are still stuck. But we don't sit still when those outperformance opportunities come.

Speaker #5: and that's, again, what we continue to, to do. That's who we are. and that's what we must continue to be. But I think EMC is a really good example of that, that, you know, coming off a lower level, we saw a nice surge in '25.

Speaker #5: And, you know, it's again, as Tony said, see that as a really good growth opportunity to continue in '26.

Paul Reitz: You know, again, as Tony said, see that as a really good growth opportunity to continue in 2026.

Speaker #3: Excellent. That's helpful. The operator had cut me off for a little bit, so I apologize if these questions were, were asked when I was cut off.

Steve Ferazani: Excellent. That's helpful. The operator had cut me off for a little bit, so I apologize if these questions were asked when I was cut off. On the consumer segment, you noted the margins, the softer margins, and it seems like it was even lower than what we would expect on throughput. I know you have that rubber mixing business thrown in there, and that can be lumpy. Did we see an impact in 4Q that might be one time, given the lumpiness on rubber mixing, or was this something else?

Speaker #3: But, on the consumer segment, you noted the margins, the, the, the softer margins. And it seems like it was even lower than what we would expect on throughput.

Speaker #3: I know you have that rubber mixing business thrown in there. Did and that can be lumpy. Did we see an impact in 4Q that might be one-time given the lumpiness on rubber mixing?

Speaker #3: Was this something else?

Tony Eheli: Yeah, Steve, that's right. The rubber mixing business, that was the impact we saw in Q4, that impacted the margins. We had very good margins in that business. The volumes were down in that business. That was the impact we saw. You're right. It's one-off. It's happened. We move on from there. We expect the other parts of our business to be accretive in margin, in terms of margins. That's why we expect improvement going forward.

Speaker #5: Yeah, Steve, that-that's right. the, the, the rubber mixing business, that was the impact we saw in Q4, that impacted the margins. It's we had very good margins in that business.

Speaker #5: the volumes were down in that business. And that was the impact we saw. So you're right. It's, it's one-off. it's happened. And, and so, we move on from there.

Speaker #5: We expect the other parts of our business to, to be accretive in margin in terms of margins. And so that's why we expect improvement going forward.

Speaker #3: Was that a lumpiness issue, or a loss of business issue that may not come back?

Steve Ferazani: Was that a lumpiness issue or a loss of business issue that may not come back?

Speaker #5: Yeah. It, it, it, it's a unpredictable business. we don't necessarily have contracts. And how we service that marketplace and so you know, I, I don't think it's as their volumes go down, we lose that business.

Paul Reitz: Yeah, it's a unpredictable business. We don't necessarily have contracts in how we service that marketplace. You know, I don't think it's as their volumes go down, we lose that business. Actually, there was just an article a couple of weeks ago in one of the trade rags that, you know, talked about our custom mixing business. We have a lot of strengths. We need to kind of reposition that in the marketplace to win back that business. To answer your question, Steve, it's not like it's not like we lose it just goes away.

Speaker #5: but we actually, there was just an article, a couple weeks ago in, in one of the trade regs that, you know, talked about our, our, our custom mixing business.

Speaker #5: And so, we, we have a lot of strengths. We need to kind of reposition that in the marketplace to win back that business. So to answer your question, Steve, it's not like it it's not like we lose it.

Speaker #5: It just goes away. Because of the volumes of the customers going down.

Steve Ferazani: Right.

Paul Reitz: because of the volumes of the customers.

Steve Ferazani: Yeah

Paul Reitz: -going down. That's why it is lumpy. We got some

Speaker #3: Yeah.

Speaker #5: And so that's why it is lumpy. We've got some hopeful trends we're starting to see in '26 that, hopefully, will materialize.

Steve Ferazani: Okay.

Paul Reitz: Hopeful trends we're starting to see in 2026, that hopefully will materialize.

Speaker #3: Got it, thanks. That's helpful. Just on—on, I don't know if you provided it or if I missed it—CapEx guidance for '26, given your EBITDA guidance. A little bit better?

Steve Ferazani: Got it. Thanks, that's helpful. Just on, I don't know if you provided it, I missed it, CapEx guidance for 2026. Given your EBITDA guide's a little bit better, do you have hope that you can be cash flow breakeven, or would that be a little too early for 2026?

Speaker #3: Do you have hope that you can be cash flow breakeven? Or would that be a little too early for '26?

Speaker #5: You know, we continue to drive and strive for improvement in our cash flow. Getting to a breakeven, just given the moderate top line that we're expecting to see and the requirements for working capital, I think it may be a little bit of a stretch to say, you know, we'd exactly get there.

Tony Eheli: You know, we continue to drive and strive for improvement in our cash flow. Getting to a breakeven, just given the moderate top line that we're expecting to see, and the requirements for working capital, I think it may be a little bit of a stretch to say, you know, would exactly get there, but we expect an improvement.

Speaker #5: But we expect an improvement. From, from '25.

Steve Ferazani: Right

Tony Eheli: from 25.

Speaker #3: Okay. And what, what, what is your expectation for CapEx in '26? I'm sorry if I missed it.

Steve Ferazani: Okay. What is your expectation for CapEx in 2026? I'm sorry if I missed it.

Speaker #5: $55 million.

Tony Eheli: $55 million.

Speaker #3: Okay. Okay. What is mainly CapEx now for you? W-what is your what do you consider maintenance CapEx for you now?

Steve Ferazani: Okay. Okay.

Tony Eheli: And that's-

Steve Ferazani: What is maintenance CapEx now for you? What do you consider maintenance CapEx for you now?

Tony Eheli: It's somewhere in the $30 to 35 million range.

Speaker #5: Well, it's somewhere in the 30 to 35 million range.

Speaker #3: Okay. So the additional investments are going where?

Steve Ferazani: Okay. The additional investments are going where?

Tony Eheli: Well, we are having some growth investment initiatives, new products, and support new products, to support plant efficiencies as well. We're also investing in those areas. Those are critical areas that we believe we have to invest in, so that when the market comes back, you know, we'll take advantage of it.

Speaker #5: Probably a lot of gr we, we, we are having some growth investments initiatives. New products.

Speaker #3: Mm-hmm.

Speaker #5: You know, support new products to, to support, plant efficiencies as well. We're also investing in those areas. So those are critical areas that we believe we have to invest in so that when the market comes back, you know, we'll take advantage of it.

Speaker #3: Makes sense. Makes sense. Paul, any, any color on I always like to ask you you know, what should we be looking for to see a more a stronger recovery in, in, in ag?

Steve Ferazani: Makes sense. Makes sense. Paul, any color on, I always like to ask you know, what should we be looking for to see a stronger recovery in ag? Is it continued focus on crop prices when we see them move, that's when we can expect your business to pick up? Is that reasonable or any different, any changes?

Speaker #3: Is it continue focus on crop prices when we see them move? That's when we can expect your business to pick up. Is that reasonable?

Speaker #3: Or any different any changes?

Speaker #5: Yeah. It, it, it, it is reasonable. But, you know, kind of looking through that a little bit, you know, input cost moderating, I think that's been a little bit of a surprise to everybody how input costs remain elevated.

Paul Reitz: Yeah. It is reasonable. You know, kind of looking through that a little bit, you know, input costs moderating, I think that's been a little bit of surprise to everybody, how input costs remain elevated. Looking at, you know, the amount of crops that get put into storage is a big driver for obviously, pricing. Some favorable trends in inventory and equipment aging, as we've talked about.

Speaker #5: Looking at, you know, the amount of crops that get put into storage is a big driver for, for obviously pricing. Some favorable trends in inventory and equipment aging as we've talked about,

Steve Ferazani: Yep.

Speaker #3: Yep.

Speaker #5: I, I, I think that's all coming together, Steve. I really do. As you've heard from others. it's been a tough downturn when you look at the length and the duration of it.

Paul Reitz: I think that's all coming together, Steve, I really do, as you've heard from others. It's been a tough downturn when you look at the length and the duration of it. You know, so, you know, we remain prepared to adjust as needed when that uptick comes. Yeah, I think, and I think you're right. I think the government support, though, I got one more thought, though. I mean, government support and kind of the timing of it, has made it a little bit confusing to start this year. You know, what maybe thought was gonna come last year isn't coming to this year.

Speaker #5: you know, so, you know, we, we remain prepared to adjust as, as needed when that uptick comes. But, yeah, I think you and I think you're right.

Speaker #5: I think the government support, though, I got one com one more thought, though. I mean, government support and kind of the, the timing of it has made it a little bit confusing to start this year.

Speaker #5: You know, what, what. Maybe thought was gonna come last year isn't coming to this year. So, you know, hopefully, we get all this stuff behind us, get some moderation, and, you know, farmers start putting a little more money in their pocket as they should be.

Paul Reitz: You know, hopefully we get all this stuff behind us, get some moderation and, you know, farmers start putting a little more money in their pocket as they should be, whether it come from government support, input prices coming down, input costs coming down, or prices going up. You know, I certainly believe that, you know, the trough is here and behind us and, you know, some brighter days ahead.

Speaker #5: whether it come from government support, input prices coming down, input costs coming down, or prices going up. But, you know, I, I certainly believe that, you know, the, the trough is, is, is, is here and behind us.

Speaker #5: And, you know, some brighter days ahead.

Steve Ferazani: Yep. Excellent. Good news. Thanks so much, Paul. Thanks, Tony.

Speaker #3: Yep. Excellent. Good news. thanks so much, Paul. Thanks, Tony.

Speaker #5: Thanks, Steve.

Paul Reitz: Thanks, Steve.

Speaker #2: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Kirk Ludtke, from Imperial Capital. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Kirk Ludgee from Imperial Capital. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Hello, Paul, Tony, Alan. Thank you for the call.

Kirk Ludtke: Hello, Paul, Tony, Alan, thank you for the call.

Speaker #5: Hey, good morning. Tony, I'm the guidance. can you maybe give us a little color as to how, what you've assumed for Brazil? Is it in at least maybe just directionally up, down, sideways?

Paul Reitz: Hey, good morning.

Kirk Ludtke: Tony, on the guidance, can you maybe give us a little color as to how what you've assumed for Brazil? Is it at least maybe just directionally up, down, sideways?

Speaker #5: Yeah. Brazil on the guidance, that's gonna be somewhat flattish. but from a quarterly perspective, you know, at the, at the earlier part of the year, it's, it's gonna be softer.

Tony Eheli: Yeah, Brazil, on the guidance, that's gonna be somewhat flattish. From a quarterly perspective, you know, at the, at the earlier part of the year, it's gonna be softer, but we expect it to come back in the latter part of the year.

Speaker #5: But we expect it to come back in the latter part of the year.

Speaker #6: Got it. Thank you. And I missed the cash taxes for the full year.

Kirk Ludtke: Got it. Thank you. I missed the cash taxes for the full year.

Tony Eheli: $20 million.

Speaker #5: T-20 million.

Speaker #6: 20 million for '25? Or '26, rather?

Kirk Ludtke: $20 million for 25 or 26 rather?

Speaker #5: Yes. Similar to '25.

Tony Eheli: Yes, similar to 25.

Speaker #6: Got it. Thank you. And, w-working capital, source, or use sounds like it might, might be a, a use.

Kirk Ludtke: Got it. Thank you. Working capital source or use, sounds like it might be a use?

Speaker #5: Yeah. Well, because w-when we think about growth, especially in Q in the latter part of the year, Q4, you know, you think about inventory.

Tony Eheli: Well, when we think about growth, especially in the latter part of the year, Q4, you know, you think about inventory. Your inventory you carry at the end of the year is actually towards the subsequent period, the prospective period. If our customers are saying, you know, this is their trough year, which means there should be growth in 2027 for them, we expect to be carrying a little bit more working capital at the end of the year to support that growth next year.

Speaker #5: your inventory, you carry at the end of the year. It's actually towards the subsequent period, the prospective period. So if our customers are saying in, in you know, this is their trough year, which means they should be growth in '27 for them, we expect to be carrying a little bit more working capital at the end of the year to support that growth next year.

Kirk Ludtke: Got it.

Tony Eheli: Amidst that, we're still going to manage through for efficiency.

Speaker #5: But I missed that. We're still going to manage through for efficiency.

Tony Eheli: Amidst that, we're still going to manage through for efficiency.

Speaker #6: Got it. Thank you. And you may have mentioned this, but which, which businesses did you did you take the, the, the allowances for, the tax allowances for?

Kirk Ludtke: Got it. Thank you. You may have mentioned this, but which businesses did you take the allowances for, the tax allowances for?

Tony Eheli: Two took bits of our business, the US and our Luxembourg business. Luxembourg is actually the holding company in Europe for us. The US, like, you know, it's primarily because we carry the debt in the US, the main debt in the US. That's been the situation with the US.

Speaker #5: two, two bits of our business. The US and, Luxembourg business. Luxembourg is the is actually the holding company in Europe for us. And the US, like, you know, it's primarily because we have we carry the debt in the US, the main debt in the US.

Speaker #5: So, that’s, that’s been the situation with the U.S.

Speaker #6: Okay. so it, it, it's across all the business segments?

Kirk Ludtke: Okay. It's across all the business segments?

Speaker #5: No. It's not across business segments. Like, you know, it's like I said, it's primarily first of all, interest debt-driven. The cost we have. In the US.

Tony Eheli: No, it's not across business segments. Like, you know, it's like I said, it's primarily, first of all, interest debt driven, the cost we have in the US. That's the big piece of it, not really in the businesses.

Speaker #5: And so that's the big piece of it. Not really in the businesses.

Speaker #6: Okay. Okay.

Kirk Ludtke: Okay. Okay.

Tony Eheli: All our businesses run...

Speaker #5: All our b all our our businesses run yeah. Okay.

Tony Eheli: All our businesses run...

Kirk Ludtke: I appreciate. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you. As a final reminder, if you did wish to ask a question on today's call, please press start followed by 1 on your telephone keypads now.

Tony Eheli: Yeah. Okay.

Operator: Thank you. As a final reminder, if you did wish to ask a question on today's call, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypads now. That is star followed by one to ask a question. We have our next question from Alexander Blanton from Clear Harbor Asset Management. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Tony Eheli: Yeah. Okay.

Speaker #2: That is start followed by 1 to ask a question. We have our next question from Alexandra Blanton from Clear Harbor Asset Management. Your line is now open.

Speaker #2: Please go ahead.

Speaker #7: Well, good morning. I, Paul, you talked earlier about the, tariff situation in terms of the, tariffs that are charged on foreign competitors who are dumping product into the US.

Alexander Blanton: Well, good morning. Paul, you talked earlier about the tariff situation in terms of the tariffs that are charged on foreign competitors who are dumping products into the US. I would like to ask about the. These are input costs that you mentioned being up. How much of those input costs or tariffs that are charged to you on imported raw materials, if any?

Speaker #7: But I would like to ask about the and these are input costs. That you mentioned. being up, how much of those input costs or tariffs that are charged to you on imported raw materials?

Speaker #7: i-if any.

Speaker #5: Yeah. It the answer to that, Alex, has a lot of different dimensions. So l-let me try to streamline the thoughts in my head and, and, and give you a concise answer to that.

Paul Reitz: Yeah, the answer to that, Alex, has a lot of different dimensions. Let me try to streamline the thoughts in my head and give you a concise answer to that. I mean, first, my points about our past with the ITC and understanding unfair practices is just to illustrate that this has been going on in our industry for 15 years, and we have cases that have been brought in front of the commission that prove that our industry has unfair practices. Our basis for supporting tariffs is really grounded in facts that have gone in front of a panel of judges and proved to be the case.

Speaker #5: I mean, first, my, my points about our past with the ITC and understanding unfair practices is just to illustrate that this has been going on in our industry for 15 years.

Speaker #5: And we have cases that have been brought in front of the commission that prove that our industry has unfair practices. So our sup our basis for supporting tariffs is really grounded in facts that have gone in front of a panel of judges and proved to be the case.

Speaker #5: And so you we look at it from the overarching premise of that along with a diversified business that can take care of our customers.

Paul Reitz: We look at it from the overarching premise of that, along with a diversified business that can take care of our customers, and we got to be well-positioned for whatever goes on in the world, and we've done a good job with that. However, in 25, to get to your question, what we saw is that the chaotic nature of how tariffs were implemented creates a lot of discrepancies on the cost or the prices of raw materials and other inputs that goes into our products based upon where you are in the world. Now, that at a high level, what we read in the media is one thing, and what takes place in the real world is something different. Meaning, there's ways to get around tariffs, depending on how you switch the location of a company, how you label a product.

Speaker #5: And we gotta be well-positioned for whatever goes on in the world. And we've done a good job with that. However, in '25, to get to your question, what we saw is that the chaotic nature of how tariffs were implemented creates a lot of discrepancies on the cost or the prices of raw materials and other inputs that go into our products based upon where you are in the world.

Speaker #5: Now, that at a high level, what we read in the media is one thing, and what takes place in the real world is something different—meaning there are ways to get around tariffs.

Speaker #5: depending on how you switch a location of a company, how you label a product, so we really don't always get clear indication of what a cost is gonna be.

Paul Reitz: We really don't always get clear indication of what a cost is gonna be, so it gets difficult to price. Now, we do believe we have good pricing power in the marketplace. I think that's supported in the margins in the report, the financials we reported for 25. My point is that the tariffs were very chaotic, not just in the things that you see with the implementation of the tariffs, but how that impacts raw materials, getting to your questions. You know, the price of steel, for example, it used to be a commodity that had more consistent pricing on a global basis. Well, now, clearly with tariffs, pricing of steel is all over the map. There's no guarantee that the steel getting to the US is going to face a consistent tariff.

Speaker #5: So it gets difficult to price. Now, we do believe we have good pricing power in the marketplace. I think that's supported in the margins and the report the m the, the financials we reported for '25.

Speaker #5: But my point is the te the tariffs were very chaotic. Not just in the things that you see with, the implementation of the tariffs, but how, how that impacts raw materials getting to your questions.

Speaker #5: And so you know, the price of steel, for example, it, it used to be a commodity that had more consistent pr-pricing on a global basis.

Speaker #5: Well, now, clearly, with tariffs, pricing of steel is all over the map. and there's no guarantee that the steel getting to the US is going to face a consistent tariff.

Paul Reitz: Regardless of what the administration tries to say, that is not reality. There are ways to avoid tariffs, and we have seen that. We've seen our competitors admit to that. You know, we have to just stay close to the marketplace, understanding what is going on in the market, the needs of our customers, price our products accordingly, and at the end of the day, have a strategy that can be diverse, it can be fluid, and it can take care of our customers. I do believe that the Supreme Court ruling, will make the tariffs more stable as far as the nature of how they are implemented.

Speaker #5: regardless of what the administration tries to say, that is not reality. there are ways to avoid tariffs. And we have seen that. We've seen our competitors admit to that.

Speaker #5: And so, you know, we have to just stay close to the marketplace, understanding what is going on in the market, the needs of our customers, price our products accordingly.

Speaker #5: and at the end of the day, have a strategy that can be diverse. It can be fluid. And it can take care of our customers.

Speaker #5: But I do believe that the Supreme Court ruling, will, will make the tariffs more stable a-as far as the, the, the nature of how they are implemented.

Speaker #5: And we do look forward to a day that, you know, we can answer your question a little easier as far as what the input prices are, input costs are, for the raw materials.

Paul Reitz: We do look forward to a day that, you know, that we can answer your question a little easier as far as what the input costs are for the raw materials. Because right now that is something that the tariffs had a pretty significant impact on. Again, you don't read about that in the media because a lot of the, what we call manufacturing in the US, is just assembly of finished goods or components. There's less converting raw materials into finished goods like Titan and other, you know, industrial companies do. You know, again, it's been a chaotic period in 25 with the tariffs.

Speaker #5: because right now, that is something that, c the tariffs had a pretty significant impact on. And again, you don't read about that in the media.

Speaker #5: 'Cause a lot of the con a lot of the what we call manufacturing in the US is just assembly of finished goods or components.

Speaker #5: and there's less converting raw materials into finished goods like Titan and other, you know, industrial companies do. So, you know, again, it's been a it's been a, a, a chaotic period in '25 with the tariffs.

Speaker #5: But my, my closing thought on it, like I said in my prepared comments, is, you know, Titan team has done a really good job handling that.

Paul Reitz: My closing thought on it, like I said in my prepared comments, is, you know, Titan team has done a really good job handling that. We have a good strategy to get through that, and I think the results are indicative of that.

Speaker #5: We have a good strategy to get through that. And I think the results are indicative of that.

Alexander Blanton: Well, two of your customers, Caterpillar and Deere, both have published an estimate of what the full year 2025 tariff-

Speaker #7: Well, two of your customers, Caterpillar and Deere, are both have published, an estimate of what the full year 2025 tariff.

Paul Reitz: They're assemblers, Alex. Alex, it's what I just said.

Speaker #5: Those they're assemblers, Alex. It's Alex, it's what I just said. They're, they're assemblers. They're assemblers.

Alexander Blanton: Yeah.

Paul Reitz: They're assemblers.

Alexander Blanton: Right, but-.

Speaker #7: Right. But.

Paul Reitz: They're assemblers. They don't convert raw materials into finished goods. They're assemblers that assemble components and sell it to their dealer network. We are not that.

Speaker #5: They're assemblers. They don't they don't convert raw materi they don't convert raw materials into finished goods. They're assemblers that assemble components and sell it to their dealer network.

Speaker #5: We are not that.

Speaker #7: Right. We're not I was just thinking, have you a similar number? What, what's the impact on your earnings of the of the tariffs on that you're paying on im-imported goods?

Alexander Blanton: Right. I was just thinking, have you a similar number? What's the impact on your earnings of the tariffs that you're paying on imported goods?

Speaker #5: Right. Yeah. That, that.

Paul Reitz: Right. Yeah, that...

Alexander Blanton: Yeah.

Speaker #7: Yeah.

Speaker #5: The nature of our company would i-is different than that. Well, no. But just, just stop for a second. They, they assemble components. So they pay a price for a component.

Paul Reitz: The nature of our company is different than that. Well, no, just stop for a second. They assemble components, they pay a price for a component, they know what that component costs and what the tariffs were. We are buying raw materials of all different natures, from synthetic to natural rubber, to chemicals, to carbon black, to steel, to all different forms of steel. We're doing that on a global basis in different currencies. Us being able to quantify it like Deere and Caterpillar do, it's a completely different business. You know, not to mention, we're not the size of them. I need my financial team focused on how to make our business perform better and take care of customers.

Speaker #5: And they know what that component costs and what the tariffs were. We are buying raw materials of all different natures, from synthetic to natural rubber, to chemicals, to carbon black, to steel, to all different forms of steel.

Speaker #5: and we're doing that on a global basis in different currencies. and so us being able to quantify it like Deere and Caterpillar do, it's a completely different business.

Speaker #5: You know, not to mention, we're not the size of them. I need my financial team focused on how to make our business perform better and take care of customers.

Speaker #5: And so what we look on we what we look at is, what is the pricing in the marketplace? And how can we pr how can we make sure we have enough pricing power?

Paul Reitz: What we look at is what is the pricing in the marketplace and how can we make sure we have enough pricing power? That's how we look at it. Again, we are converting raw materials all over the world on a given daily basis, thousands of different SKUs being produced and hundreds of different raw materials coming, being put into those SKUs. We're not buying finished components and assembling them together.

Speaker #5: and, and that's how we look at it. But again, we are converting raw materials all over the world on a on a given daily basis, thousands of different SKUs being produced.

Speaker #5: And hundreds of different raw materials coming being put into those SKUs. We're not buying finished components and s-assembling them together.

Alexander Blanton: Right.

Speaker #7: Right. Yeah.

Paul Reitz: They're two different business models. In the US, we have a tendency to read all the headlines from those companies and think that's manufacturing. That's assembling, that's not manufacturing. They're not converting raw materials.

Speaker #5: So they're two different business models. And that and in the US in the US, we have a tendency to read all the headlines from those, those companies.

Speaker #5: And think that's manufacturing. That's assembling. That's not manufacturing. They're not converting raw materials.

Speaker #7: Okay. Thank you very much.

Alexander Blanton: Okay, thank you very much.

Speaker #5: Yeah. You bet, Alex.

Paul Reitz: Yeah, you bet, Alex.

Speaker #6: Thank you. We currently have no further questions. So I'll hand back to Mr. Paul Reitz for closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. We currently have no further questions. I'll hand it back to Mr. Poolwright for closing remarks.

Speaker #5: You bet. Well, thank you, everybody, for your participation in today's call. And I wanna end by thanking the Titan team for the strong performance in '25.

Paul Reitz: You bet. Well, thank you, everybody, for your participation in today's call. I want to end by thanking the Titan team for the strong performance in 25 and where we look to be going in 26. Thanks again, everybody.

Speaker #5: And, where we look to be going in '26. So thanks again, everybody.

Operator: This concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.

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