Q4 2025 JAKKS Pacific Inc EarningsCall
Who will review Financial results for the quarter ended December 31st 2025.
Jack's issued its earnings press release earlier today.
Speaker #4: The diluted share count is based on roughly 11.5 million shares. Turning to the balance sheet, we finished the year with 54 million dollars in cash, down from 70 million dollars last year, obviously impacted by the drop in sales.
The earnings release and presentation slides related to today's call are available on the company's website in the investor section.
On the call. This afternoon are Steven Berman chairman and chief executive officer and John Kimble Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #4: Our inventory was up slightly at a bit less than 60 million dollars, up from 53 million dollars last year. That change is driven by our expanded distribution footprint in Europe and Mexico.
Speaker #4: Our US-held inventory was actually down 18% year over year, to the lowest level we've finished a year in over 10 years. Inventory management remains a focus and opportunity for us.
Stephen will first provide an overview of the quarter in full fiscal year along with highlights of recent performance and current business Trends. Then John will provide some additional comments around, Jack's, Pacific's financial and operational results.
Speaker #4: Broadly speaking, we feel we read the second half of the year in the US about as well as we could have, hoped, in terms of forecasting consumer and customer behavior.
Mr. Berman will then return with additional comments and some closing remarks prior to opening up the call for questions, your line will be placed on mute for the first portion of the call.
Speaker #4: The hottest of product continued to move fast as hot products do, with the bar essentially raised for everything else with more lukewarm results. We don't feel we missed sales in Q4, and we feel good about our US inventory on hand.
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Speaker #4: We also obviously feel good that imported product from China is now taxed at 20% compared to the 30% we were paying for a lot of the year and we didn't have to import any more of that higher cost than we did.
Speaker #4: The company remains committed to the path of being a meaningful and consistent dividend payer. Despite a somewhat soft year financially, we did manage to generate over $8 million in cash flow from operations, while also funding $11.2 million in common dividend payments.
Before we begin, the company would like to point out that any comments made about Jack's specifics future performance events or circumstances including the estimates of sales, margins earnings and or adjusted ibida in 2026 as well as any other forward-looking statements concerning 2026 and beyond our subject to Safe Harbor.
Speaker #4: As mentioned in our release, the board approved a Q1 payment of $25 per common share, payable at the end of Q1. The record date is February 27, and the payable date will be March 30.
Turbo protection, under Federal Securities laws, these statements reflect the company's best judgment based on current market, trends, and conditions today, and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected and forward-looking statements.
Speaker #4: I think the pressures of the past year have pushed us to find new areas for incremental improvement, and that will be a lot of our focus this year to see what we can figure out.
Speaker #4: In a company of our size, we have the ability to make decisions faster and, by extension, capture opportunities sooner, so that's what I hope we can do.
For details concerning these and other such risks and uncertainties you should consult. Jack's most recent 10K and 10q filings with the SEC as well as the company's other reports subsequently filed with the SEC from time to time.
Speaker #4: And now, back to Stephen for some more comments about the year ahead.
Speaker #1: Thank you, John. The biggest story for us at the start of this year is certainly the theatrical release of the Super Mario Galaxy movie from Illumination.
In addition, today's comments, by management will refer to non-gaap financial measures such as adjusted ibida and adjusted earnings per share.
Speaker #1: We are extremely excited for this new product launch, which will be available for purchase late February. The best-selling five-inch scale figures are back in line along with new scale of minifigures, new playsets, plush, and more.
Speaker #1: The film releases April 1st and our line gives fans of all ages the chance to recreate their favorite film moments in the movie. This is the follow-up to the Super Mario Bros.
Unless stated, otherwise the most directly comparable, gaap, Financial metrics has been reconciled to the associated non-gaap Financial measure within the company's earnings press release issued today, or previously. As a reminder, this call is being recorded with that. I would now like to turn a call over to Steven Berman.
Good afternoon and thank you for joining us.
Speaker #1: movie, which went on to generate the largest theatrical box office of 2023. So you can imagine we're beyond thrilled to be back in the mix again here supporting this launch.
As 2025 draws to a close. We were proud of what the organization has accomplished and what we ultimately viewed as a defining year and our company's history.
Speaker #1: Our Sonic DC crossover product launch received a great response in fourth quarter, with exclusive retailer launches in both the US and in Europe. Distribution of that line is going wide in the new year with new items like the DC Sonic Batmobile, being added at key retailers.
While tariff policy created visible pressure on near-term. Financial performance, we remain disciplined and focused on long-term value creation.
Beneath the surface volatility, we made meaningful progress across the areas that matter. Most deepening and broadening our relationships with the key factories licensors and Retail Partners through a truly Global lens,
Speaker #1: Sega is celebrating the 35th anniversary of Sonic all year with various activations. We are participating by launching special packaging, commemorating this event along with some exclusive items.
While also expanding our strategic relationship portfolio and preparation for a significant new initiative launching in 2027.
Speaker #1: We have other exciting news and plans around Sonic in 2026, but we're not ready to share those today, so stay tuned. Moving over to our Disney doll business, we leave the holiday season and toy fair season with solid momentum behind Disney Darlings, our latest homegrown Disney IP, and the strong tradition of Style Collection and Disney's E.L.I.E.
Importantly, we maintain transparency with our shareholders regarding market dynamics, and the challenges we face.
And we delivered on our commitments.
Refusing to pursue short-term top-line growth at the expense of bottom line. Margin integrity.
at the same time we completed our first full year, as a cash dividend, payer returning, 1 dollar per share back to shareholders while preserving our debt-free balance sheet,
Speaker #1: For those of you unfamiliar with Disney darlings, our launch in the nurturing doll category, similar to our Elie line, these are not simply caricatures in figural form, but an approach we've developed in a partnership with Disney to bring new and innovative ways for our consumers to engage with the Disney brand.
We exit 2025 stronger, more resilient and better positioned than we entered it. And we are energized by the opportunities ahead in 2026 and Beyond.
Speaker #1: The intent is to spark the emotional response consumers feel when engaging with Disney. The joy and happiness when engaging experiences a bit of the Disney magic.
Globally. Our toy and consumer product. Net sales were roughly flat in fourth quarter and 118 million down 0.2% from the prior year, and down 7% from 2023.
Costs were down.
Speaker #1: These are truly beautiful dolls delivered with premium quality, and what's even more magical is that, unlike other baby dolls, they are 100% joyful and happy and there's no tears and no crying.
although, in 1 of its smaller quarters of the year,
Speaker #1: Our soft launch of this line sold through well in fall, leading us to expand listings in the US this year as well as a lot of interest and commitments internationally coming out of this past month's toy fair.
But enough to bring the total company sales down 2.8%, from prior year to 127.1 million or roughly flat to our 2023 fourth quarter, sales of 127.4 million.
Speaker #1: We've seen enough positive feedback to feel that we have a winner here that can steadily build this year, and into the next, into being another solid foundational piece of business for us.
Our domestic sales were down which we attribute to higher tariff. Burden retail, prices resulted in slower. Second half, sell throughs and by extension lower fourth quarter replenishment.
Speaker #1: Congratulations to the team on this one. We're also supporting the live-action theatrical release of Moana and early July this year. Moana has been a steady part of our business for over the past 10 years, going back to the original animated release in 2026.
Fourth quarter fob sales to the US were positive versus prior year to somewhat offset the downside.
In the rest of the world. Our fourth quarter sales were up 9.9% to 41 million.
Speaker #1: We're happy to be able to bring back some of the most popular toys we created over the years as a new audience engages with this story this summer.
Europe was roughly flat in the quarter and Latin America was up significantly making up the Lost ground from Q3
Speaker #1: Our focus items include Moana's necklace, Maui's fishhook, all the more aspirational with the rock repricing his role to the film, our Hey Hey, the Screaming Chicken, and our super popular Moana large dolls.
On a full year basis, our total rest of world, business was 154.1 Million up 5.5% from prior year and slightly ahead of 2023 led by a 14% increase in Europe to 81.4 million.
Speaker #1: We also have a couple of additional exciting developments coming on our Disney doll front later this year. And the other part of our doll division, we continually study build our private label business with major retailers in the US and expanding into Europe.
For the full year. Our toy and consumer product. Business was down. 19% as our Evergreen action play dolls and roleplay business in particular suffered from tariff impacts on customer order, patterns and higher consumer prices.
Speaker #1: It's an extremely broad array of dolls, role-play toys, and related subcategories that allow the retailers to make additional margin while the consumers get a high-quality, on-trend design product at a much lower price.
All 3 of our touring consumer products. Division were down, ranging 9 to 23% on a full year basis.
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Our costume business was down 10% for the full year, with a slight increase in international offsetting the US results.
Speaker #1: In this area, we have several new launches that we will discuss in the following quarters that will be launched during the fall holiday season.
Speaker #1: In 2025, the company saw momentum across its action sports portfolio. With Element emerging as a powerful growth engine in the second half of the year, expanded distribution, and deepened retail partnerships, most notably with Walmart, Amazon, and Academy Sports and Outdoors.
Syndicated data suggests both retail dollars and units were down compared to the prior year while average prices increase for both children's and adult costumes.
Although Halloween is always a holiday with a surge of the last minute Shoppers. We felt that the surge was even later this year to the benefit of brick and mortar customers more than online.
We did maintain and in fact, extended our Market leadership position for the season.
Speaker #1: Significantly increased brand visibility, strengthened shelf presence, and drove meaningful gains in sell-through during a critical holiday period. These results reflect the company's disciplined execution, strategic product innovation, and unwavering focus on aligning with leading retail partners to deliver compelling value within the active and early-play category.
This past month, we proudly debuted our first fully integrated Jacks. And disguise showroom at the Nuremberg toy fair market. A significant milestone in how we present our Global portfolio to the marketplace,
the response from customers and partners was overwhelmingly positive. As they experienced firsthand the full breadth depth and quality of our offerings.
Speaker #1: Looking ahead, we are highly encouraged by rising retail confidence and growing consumer engagement across action sports as the industry builds toward the 2028 Summer Olympic Games.
Powered by best-in-class licensing, relationships from around the world.
This successful debut, reinforces our confidence, in the strength of our strategy and our ability to win across multiple categories and regions.
Speaker #1: Skateboard sales trends are once again approaching elevated levels seen in 2020 and '21, signaling the renewed demand and sustained category momentum. This strengthening trajectory across skateboards and the adjacent action sports segments positions the company to further accelerate investment in innovation, expand strategic partnerships, and drive durable, long-term brand growth and shareholder value.
We see a substantial runway for integrated growth across Europe with particularly strong momentum as we expand further into Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
With a unified go to market approach.
Deep retail Partnerships and a world-class product pipeline.
We are well, positioned to build. Sustained leadership and capture meaningful Charities, high growth markets throughout the season and Beyond.
Speaker #1: With our Disguise business, we're supporting a wide range of new theatrical releases. We're excited to support Toy Story 5, which debuts in late June, as each installment of this franchise has been great for the costume business.
2025 has certainly been a disappointing year when we think of what could have been. But I remain pleased by how we adapted evaluated and reacted without overreacting to a volatile operating environment.
Speaker #1: Also from Disney, we'll see the Moana release, and the latest Descendants installment, Wicked Wonderland. The second half of this year also has new movies coming from Minions, as well as PAW Patrol.
We executed in a year and perhaps more importantly, at the same time remain focused on creating new growth opportunities for the company.
We protected our Core Business by not chasing Topline at the expense of margin.
Speaker #1: We'll have some exciting new additions to the lineup coming from some new licensor relationships we've been busy establishing, so keep an eye out for these announcements.
While prudently, controlling discretionary spending.
Speaker #1: Coming soon. Finally, Halloween is once again on the weekend in 2026, Saturday to be specific, so ideally that drives more energy and activity beyond traditional trick-or-treating.
We finished the full fiscal year with a gross margin of 32.4%. Our highest full year level in over 15 years.
Our gross margin dollars were up in fourth quarter. Year-over-year through a combination of better costing from our factories and improved Inventory management.
Speaker #1: Those give you some highlights we're seeing coming into the market in the first half of the year. We remain very focused on some additional launches that we will have more in 2027 impact.
On a full year basis. Our sgna expenses were down 1%.
Speaker #1: Even if we can drop in some initial exclusives before the end of this year. Although a lot has changed in the past 12 months, we feel we are stronger in position today with more paths to grow than a year ago.
This is a business where upfront Investments are made over 12 to 18 months with the goal of future sales, volumes and scaling driving larger profits. Although volumes were not as originally planned. For the year, we nonetheless managed to reduce our fourth quarter. Adjusted, EBA loss to 3.8 million versus 10.2 million in the same quarter last year.
Speaker #1: Currently, we see this year as a year of mid-single-digit top-line growth, with a continued focus on expanding margins. While we set up to maximize the potential of several potentially impactful new launches in 2027.
That increase our trailing 12 months, ibida to 35.4 million for the full year of 2025.
down from 59.3 million in the prior year, when we generated 120 million more in sales,
Speaker #1: There's still a lot of work to do, but I'm pleased with our progress to date and being able to share more publicly about some of the exciting things we've been working on.
I will now pass it over to John for some comments after which I will come back and share a bit more about where we're focused moving forward.
John.
Speaker #1: And with that, we'll take a couple of questions. Operator.
Thank you, Stephen. And hello everyone.
Speaker #2: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again.
A decent quarter here to wrap up a mostly indecent Year from a financial perspective.
Speaker #2: Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. And our first question comes from Eric Better of Small Cap Consumer Research, LLC.
Q4 benefited from fob shipments of our product for the Super Mario Galaxy film which led our action play and collectibles business to a 19% year-over-year. Increase with growth from both North America and International.
Speaker #3: Good afternoon. A lot going on here. We'll talk a little bit about the whole FOB model. When you look obviously, that got disrupted last year with the tariffs and other pieces, and then ramping it back up.
The on that, I'd say that most of Q4 sales results ended up being the squeeze, from whatever happened, or didn't happen in Q3 and didn't really suggest any meaningful change in Trend or customer Behavior.
Gross margin dollars grew by 11% versus prior year, driven by a slightly better margin percentage.
This result is a good outcome and generally consistent with prior quarters in 2025.
Speaker #3: When you look at that model and your retailers are seeing for '26 and beyond, is it back to the way the model was? And what kind of tweaks are you doing, if not, and if not, what kind of tweaks are there being done in the model in terms of how the retailers and yourselves are handling the FOB model?
Full year, gross margin ended at 32.4% better than last year's 30.8%, and a bit more consistent with 2023s 31.4%.
Product costs were held in check through persistent and consistent collaboration with our long-term Factory Network along with tighter management of inventory. Reducing our obsolescence expense
Speaker #4: Well, first, thank you, Eric. We're continuing to focus on an FOB-first business—that's been the case since inception. Last year, we stayed very focused on it as well, but we had to adapt based on where we manufactured, whether it was in China, Indonesia, so on and so forth, and Southeast Asia.
Royalty, expenses crept up a bit significant sales. Reductions have driven, some minimum unearned royalty payments, along with some mixed impact.
We paid roughly 12 million dollars in US tariffs in 2025, which we feel we recovered through increased pricing.
Speaker #4: So we had a slight decrease in FOB, but not materially. Back into 2026 and '7, we will be moving forward again on an FOB-first basis.
Higher price accompanied by a 1 to 1 cost Edition has the math impact of a lower margin percentage. But that amount was not really material on an Enterprise level
tariffs Were Far More impactful in reducing sales.
Speaker #4: At the same time, a lot of the major retailers in the U.S. have a first cost-of-sale program that we work with them on to have the impact of the tariff be less of an impact to them and ourselves at the same time.
We estimate that our us fob customers, paid nearly million dollars in tariffs on Jackson, disguise product in 2025.
Speaker #4: So we're working through some of the major customers and secondary customers on the first-sale basis. So we've learned a lot through this tariff—call it congestion and confusion—throughout last year, but we have a pretty good handle on it with our retail partners, who we've worked extremely closely with. Our sales teams that are really entwined with our major retailers have worked very hand in hand with the buyers as well as the financial sides of our retailers to make sure that we stay focused on an FOB basis, because it behooves both the retailer—for them to make more margin; it behooves JAKKS as a sense of cost of capital; and it allows, hopefully, the consumer to have a little bit lower price than bringing in on a domestic basis.
We feel that 50 million would have otherwise been allocated towards more actual product, and by extension generate more Jack's Revenue in any other year.
That amount would be in addition to the additional reduction in units, sold compared with our original plans, as customers understandably de-risk their year.
That gives you a bit of insight into the financial implications of last year's actions on our company, although it may not be readily apparent. Simply looking at the financial statements
Moving on to more controllable. Parts of the p&l Q4 benefited from our actions taken earlier in the year to keep sgna spending on a tighter leash.
Selling expense end of the year down 8% and GNA, roughly flat.
With the strength and flexibility of our balance sheet, we did this without handicapping, any of the product development or new initiatives. We have been working on for 2026 and 2027.
Speaker #3: I sort of be thinking about the international opportunity with FOB. I know that you mentioned the inventory rose a little bit, primarily because of the international players, and some of them aren't, I guess, physically or fiscally big enough to do this.
our operating loss and adjusted ebit off for the quarter, were both improvements versus prior year, but not enough to overcome the financial Carnage of Q2 and Q3
Fully your operating margin dropped to 2.5% down from 5.7% last year.
Speaker #3: What's kind of the thought process there?
Adjusted. Ebita margin was 6.2% down from 8.6%.
Speaker #4: Again, as a company and whole—not just in North America, but worldwide—we are a primarily focused FOB company. But in order for it to expand and see the growth that we are achieving both in Latin America and EMEA, and now with new focuses, additional focuses, in Southeast Asia, we do need to have distribution centers across strategic areas in order for us to achieve the customer base that is less the size of the major retailers that you see.
It is a significant Focus as we start the new year to revisit our processes to continue gross margin expansion while containing sgna.
We know we have the potential to do better from a margin perspective without relying on Topline Improvement.
The ambition would be to do both, which would buy extension generate meaningful value.
A moral, if not economic victory of note to offset our margin challenges, calendar year, 2025 was the first year, our interest income, exceeded our interest expense for a very long time.
Speaker #4: In Europe, there's a lot of smaller customers that make up a lot of the business. So, we have a mix on an FOB basis first, and then follow up with domestic inventory in order for us to achieve growth as required in those territories.
Remembering that in 2020. We paid 21.6 million in interest expense with a full year, adjusted IBA of 28.1 million helps to put 2025 in context a bit.
Speaker #4: Many of the customers are not large enough to do an FOB, in order a container or so on and so forth. So we adapt to that and work with them by each of the segments in which we're in, whether it's the Disney segment, the Boeing segment, seasonal, and so on.
These results all tally to an adjusted quarterly loss of 18 cents per share and improvement from a 67 Cent loss in Q4 2024. But nonetheless still dragging down our full year, adjusted EPS to a162 down from $3.79. For full year, 2024
Speaker #4: So we're appropriate. We work correctly with the retailer on the size of the product, pricing of the product, and the bulk of the item in order to have the best shipping cost for them and price points for them.
The diluted share count is based on roughly 11.5 million shares.
Turning to the balance sheet, we finished the year with 54 million in cash down from seventy Million last year, obviously, impacted by the drop in sales.
Speaker #4: So we have warehouses of five different parts of the EMEA. We have it in Latin America. And we've now, as you see at the end of this year, we brought in inventory to help us grow those areas with an FOB-first basis as well as with backup inventory on a domestic basis.
Our inventory was up slightly at a bit less than $0 million up from 53 million last year.
Operator: Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the JAKKS Pacific Q4 and full year 2025 earnings conference call with management, who will review financial results for the quarter ended December 31, 2025. JAKKS issued its earnings press release earlier today. The earnings release and presentation slides related to today's call are available on the company's website in the Investor section. On the call this afternoon are Stephen Berman, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and John Kimble, Chief Financial Officer. Stephen will first provide an overview of the quarter and full fiscal year, along with highlights of recent performance and current business trends. Then John will provide some additional comments around JAKKS Pacific's financial and operational results. Mr. Berman will then return with additional comments and some closing remarks prior to opening up the call for questions.
Operator: Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the JAKKS Pacific Q4 and full year 2025 earnings conference call with management, who will review financial results for the quarter ended December 31, 2025. JAKKS issued its earnings press release earlier today. The earnings release and presentation slides related to today's call are available on the company's website in the Investor section. On the call this afternoon are Stephen Berman, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and John Kimble, Chief Financial Officer. Stephen will first provide an overview of the quarter and full fiscal year, along with highlights of recent performance and current business trends. Then John will provide some additional comments around JAKKS Pacific's financial and operational results. Mr. Berman will then return with additional comments and some closing remarks prior to opening up the call for questions.
That change is driven by our expanded distribution footprint in Europe and Mexico.
Our us held inventory was actually down 18% year-over-year to the lowest level. We've finished a year in over 10 years.
Speaker #3: Okay. Obviously, this year was a tough for the entire toy industry. You guys managed to maintain your cash. No debt basis. Lots of cash.
Inventory management remains a focus and opportunity for us.
Broadly speaking, we feel we read the second half of the year in the US about as well as we could have hoped in terms of forecasting consumer and customer Behavior.
Speaker #3: How have you have you been able to lever that? It sounds like you have based on what 27. How have you able to lever that in terms of adding new licenses, expanding the relationships, and kind of moving up the ladder in terms of kind of being a licensee of toys going forward?
The hottest of product continue to move fast as hot products, do with the bar, essentially raised for everything else with more lukewarm results.
We don't feel we miss sales and Q4 and we feel good about our us inventory on hand.
Speaker #4: One thing—being healthy and clean and having a strong balance sheet—the licensors appreciate it very much. They're always eyeing companies that have financial issues.
We also obviously feel good that imported product from China is now taxed at 20% compared to the 30%. We were paying for a lot of the year and we didn't have to import any more of that higher cost than we did.
Speaker #4: And they don't want to take the risk of someone ruining their opportunities within their owned IP. So we, with that, have been very focused on not giving away top-line revenue and not eroding our profit.
And consistent dividend payer, despite a somewhat soft year financially, we did manage to generate over 8 million in cash flow from operations. While also funding 11.2 million in common dividend payments.
Operator: Your line will be placed on mute for the first portion of the call. If you would like to be placed in the queue to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone keypad. Before we begin, the company would like to point out that any comments made about JAKKS Pacific's future performance, events, or circumstances, including the estimates of sales, margins, earnings, and/or adjusted EBITDA in 2026, as well as any other forward-looking statements concerning 2026 and beyond, are subject to safe harbor protection under federal securities laws. These statements reflect the company's best judgment based on current market trends and conditions today, and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in forward-looking statements.
Operator: Your line will be placed on mute for the first portion of the call. If you would like to be placed in the queue to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone keypad. Before we begin, the company would like to point out that any comments made about JAKKS Pacific's future performance, events, or circumstances, including the estimates of sales, margins, earnings, and/or adjusted EBITDA in 2026, as well as any other forward-looking statements concerning 2026 and beyond, are subject to safe harbor protection under federal securities laws. These statements reflect the company's best judgment based on current market trends and conditions today, and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in forward-looking statements.
Speaker #4: We took what was the right approach with retail, retail inventory, and our own inventory to not push for higher sales and have that erode margin.
As mentioned in our release, the board approved, a q1 payment of 25 cents per common. Share payable at the end of q1, the record date is February 27th and the payable date will be March 30th.
Speaker #4: We focused on margin with healthy sales. And as you can see, I think we were up 380 basis points for the year—for the quarter. I'll go back to give you the exact numbers.
I think the pressures of the past year have pushed us to find new areas for incremental Improvement, and that will be a lot of our Focus this year to see what we can figure out.
In a company of our size. We have the ability to make decisions faster and by extension capture opportunities sooner. So that's what I hope we can do.
Speaker #4: But we focused on the margin enhancement and retailers and licensors like that. At the same time, we've done an expansive amount of traveling worldwide working on new initiatives.
and now, back to Stephen, for some more comments about the year ahead,
Thank you, John.
Speaker #4: And we have some really exciting initiatives coming forward. And we'll be excited to talk about it as soon as some of these deals get all accomplished.
The biggest story for us, at the start of this year, is certainly the theatrical release of the Super Mario Galaxy movie from illumination. We are extremely excited for this new product launch, which will be available for purchase late February.
Speaker #4: But during this period of time, we have focused on building 26 and 27 aggressively. And licensors have all fallen in line with us in a very supportive.
Operator: For details concerning these and other such risks and uncertainties, you should consult JAKKS's most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings with the SEC, as well as the company's other reports subsequently filed with the SEC from time to time. In addition, today's comments by management will refer to non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA and adjusted earnings per share. Unless stated otherwise, the most directly comparable GAAP financial metric has been reconciled to the associated non-GAAP financial measure within the company's earnings press release issued today or previously. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Stephen Berman.
Operator: For details concerning these and other such risks and uncertainties, you should consult JAKKS's most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings with the SEC, as well as the company's other reports subsequently filed with the SEC from time to time. In addition, today's comments by management will refer to non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA and adjusted earnings per share. Unless stated otherwise, the most directly comparable GAAP financial metric has been reconciled to the associated non-GAAP financial measure within the company's earnings press release issued today or previously. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Stephen Berman.
The best-selling 5-man scale figures are back in line along with new scale of mini figures. New playsets, plush and more
Speaker #3: Okay. I know you don't give financial guidance, but just conceptually, Q1 last year was an extremely strong quarter. It was also a quarter, I believe, where you had a significant amount of product that was shipped early because people wanted to get in front of tariffs.
The film releases April 1st and our line gives fans of all ages. The chance to recreate their favorite film moments in the movie.
Speaker #3: How should we be thinking given that the flows and the quarters are so up and down last year just conceptually in terms of how this year is going to flow?
This is the follow-up to the Super Mario Brothers movie, which went on to generate the largest theatrical box office of 2023. So you can imagine, we're Beyond thrilled to be back in the mix again here, supporting this launch.
Our Sonic DC, crossover product launch received a great response, in fourth quarter with exclusive retailer, launches, in both the US, and in Europe.
Speaker #4: Yeah, I'll jump in on that a little bit. To your point, Q1 was a really robust quarter for us this year, or this past year.
Distribution of that line is going wide in the new year, with new items. Like the DC Sonic Batmobile batted at Key retailers.
Speaker #4: And on one hand, we have some momentum shipping product for Super Mario Galaxy, as we pointed out in the call. But at the same time, too, as longtime listeners know, Q1 is always our smallest quarter.
Stephen Berman: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. As 2025 draws to a close, we are proud of what the organization has accomplished and what we ultimately viewed as a defining year in our company's history. While tariff policy created visible pressure on near-term financial performance, we remained disciplined and focused on long-term value creation. Beneath the surface volatility, we made meaningful progress across the areas that matter most, deepening and broadening our relationships with the key factories, licensors, and retail partners through a truly global lens, while also expanding our strategic relationship portfolio in preparation for a significant new initiative launching in 2027. Importantly, we maintained transparency with our shareholders regarding market dynamics and the challenges we faced, and we delivered on our commitments, refusing to pursue short-term top-line growth at the expense of bottom-line margin integrity.
Stephen Berman: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. As 2025 draws to a close, we are proud of what the organization has accomplished and what we ultimately viewed as a defining year in our company's history. While tariff policy created visible pressure on near-term financial performance, we remained disciplined and focused on long-term value creation. Beneath the surface volatility, we made meaningful progress across the areas that matter most, deepening and broadening our relationships with the key factories, licensors, and retail partners through a truly global lens, while also expanding our strategic relationship portfolio in preparation for a significant new initiative launching in 2027. Importantly, we maintained transparency with our shareholders regarding market dynamics and the challenges we faced, and we delivered on our commitments, refusing to pursue short-term top-line growth at the expense of bottom-line margin integrity.
Sega is celebrating the 35th anniversary of Sonic all year with various activations. We are participating by launching special, packaging, commemorating this event along with some exclusive items.
Speaker #4: And so I've made the comment in the past, Q1 for us, or maybe for everyone in the industry, is like a Q1 of a basketball game.
We have other exciting news and plans around Sonic in 2026, but we're not ready to share those today. But stay tuned.
Speaker #4: Don't get three fouls at the end of the first quarter, and you'll kind of be okay. So really, we're probably thinking more first half, second half.
Moving over to our Disney doll business. We'll leave the holiday season and Toy, Fair season, with solid momentum, behind Disney Darlings,
Speaker #4: And as to where the line gets drawn at the end of Q1, to be honest, we're not really overly fixating on it.
Our latest homegrown Disney IP and the strong tradition of style collection and Disney's Elie.
Speaker #3: Okay. Good luck for more normalized 26. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you. Thanks. We'll take that.
Speaker #1: Thank you.
Speaker #4: But this is just okay.
Speaker #1: And our next question comes from Derek Johnson of Seaport Research Partners. Your line is open.
For those of you unfamiliar with Disney Darlings, our launch in the neutering doll category, similar to our Ilie line. These are not simply caricatures and figural form but an approach we've developed in a partnership with Disney to bring new and innovative ways for our consumers to engage with the Disney brand.
Speaker #5: Hi. Good afternoon.
Speaker #4: Welcome back. Hey, Derek.
the intent is to spark the emotional response, consumers feel when engaging with Disney, the joy and happiness when engaging experiences a bit of the Disney Magic
Speaker #5: Hey, thank you very much. Good to be back. So one, on POS, what was that in a quarter? How did it trend? And evolve through the quarter?
Stephen Berman: At the same time, we completed our first full year as a cash dividend payer, returning $1 per share back to shareholders while preserving our debt-free balance sheet. We exit 2025 stronger, more resilient, and better positioned than we entered it, and we are energized by the opportunities ahead in 2026 and beyond.
Stephen Berman: At the same time, we completed our first full year as a cash dividend payer, returning $1 per share back to shareholders while preserving our debt-free balance sheet. We exit 2025 stronger, more resilient, and better positioned than we entered it, and we are energized by the opportunities ahead in 2026 and beyond.
Speaker #5: And then, inventory at retail—what does yours look like? But also, more broadly, the industry—is there any pockets of inventory that could clutter?
These are truly beautiful dolls delivered with premium quality. And what's even more magical, is that unlike other baby dolls. They are 100% joyful and happy and there's no tears and no crying.
Speaker #5: And affect the industry that way?
Our soft launch of this line sold through well in fall, leading us to expand listings in the US this year, as well as a lot of interests and commitments internationally coming out this past month's Toy, Fair.
Speaker #4: Yeah, so I'll take the first part of that, and Stephen can circle back on the inventory piece. From a POS point of view, you can read into the fact that we weren't bragging about it—that we weren't thrilled with it.
Stephen Berman: Globally, our toy and consumer product net sales were roughly flat in Q4 at $118 million, down 0.2% from the prior year and down 0.7% from 2023. Costumes were down, although in one of its smaller quarters of the year, but enough to bring the total company sales down 2.8% from prior year to $127.1 million, or roughly flat to our 2023 Q4 sales of $127.4 million. Our Q4 US business in total was down 7.8% to $86.2 million. Our domestic sales were down, which we attribute to higher tariff-burdened retail prices, resulting in slower second half sell-throughs and, by extension, lower Q4 replenishment.
Stephen Berman: Globally, our toy and consumer product net sales were roughly flat in Q4 at $118 million, down 0.2% from the prior year and down 0.7% from 2023. Costumes were down, although in one of its smaller quarters of the year, but enough to bring the total company sales down 2.8% from prior year to $127.1 million, or roughly flat to our 2023 Q4 sales of $127.4 million. Our Q4 US business in total was down 7.8% to $86.2 million. Our domestic sales were down, which we attribute to higher tariff-burdened retail prices, resulting in slower second half sell-throughs and, by extension, lower Q4 replenishment.
Speaker #4: But as we mentioned on the call, the super hot new launch items, blew through in a way that we were happy to see and gave us confidence that broadly what we're doing.
We've seen enough positive feedback to feel that we have a winner here that can steadily build this year and into the next into being another solid foundational, piece of business for us. Congratulations to the team on this 1.
We're also supporting the live-action theatrical release of Moana and early July this year.
Speaker #4: But I think, broadly speaking, where we saw higher retailer prices, that slowed down POS for those segments. So, notwithstanding all the other kind of hair on the topic of POS, in terms of what is the underlying margin for that POS, I think that's kind of what we'd have on that.
Moana has been a steady part of our business for over the past 10 years. Going back to the original animated release in 2026.
We're happy to be able to bring back some of the most popular toys. We created over the years as a new audience, engages with this story this summer.
Our Focus items include moana's necklace.
Speaker #4: From a retail inventory point of view, Stephen's a little bit closer to that. I'll let him.
Speaker #3: So I'll go through some of the two major retailers in the US. We're down at one of them down 21% year over year and down about retail is very tight for us, which is good.
Maui's Fish Hook. All the more aspirational with the rock reprising his role to the film.
Our heihei, the screaming, chicken and our super popular. Moana large dolls.
Stephen Berman: Q4 FOB sales to the US were positive versus prior year to somewhat offset the downside. In the rest of the world, our Q4 sales were up 9.9% to $41 million. Europe was roughly flat in the quarter, and Latin America was up significantly, making up the lost ground from Q3. On a full year basis, our total rest of world business was $154.1 million, up 5.5% from prior year and slightly ahead of 2023, led by a 14% increase in Europe to $81.4 million. For the full year, our toy and consumer product business was down 19%, as our evergreen action play, dolls, and role play business in particular, suffered from tariff impacts on customer order patterns and higher consumer prices.
Stephen Berman: Q4 FOB sales to the US were positive versus prior year to somewhat offset the downside. In the rest of the world, our Q4 sales were up 9.9% to $41 million. Europe was roughly flat in the quarter, and Latin America was up significantly, making up the lost ground from Q3. On a full year basis, our total rest of world business was $154.1 million, up 5.5% from prior year and slightly ahead of 2023, led by a 14% increase in Europe to $81.4 million. For the full year, our toy and consumer product business was down 19%, as our evergreen action play, dolls, and role play business in particular, suffered from tariff impacts on customer order patterns and higher consumer prices.
We also have a couple of additional exciting developments coming. On our Disney doll front later this year,
Speaker #3: We didn't, again, as I said earlier, in the Eric asked the question, is we did not want to chase top line and worry about the inventory levels after the holiday season.
and the other part of our doll division, we can clearly study build our private label business with major retailers in the US and expanding into Europe.
Speaker #3: So we really focused on shipping what was appropriate and focusing on profitability. And to answer what I did, I mentioned earlier, I just want to make sure I clarify.
Speaker #3: We were 380 basis points higher in margin for the fourth quarter than the year prior. I just want to make sure I got that out there.
It's an extremely broad array of dolls role play toys and related subcategories that allow the retailers to make additional margin. While the consumers get a high quality, on-trend design product at a much lower price.
Speaker #5: Yeah, no, that's impressive. And so, how would you describe the promotional activity and perhaps sales allowances in the fourth quarter?
During the fall holiday season.
Speaker #3: For us, they were quite normal or a little bit less than normal for, I think, a lot of the major competitors put a lot of heavy and discounting and promotional but to me, looking at what we've seen throughout the year, it was a very cautionary year.
Speaker #3: Because of the tariffs and not knowing what the consumer kind of appetite was. So again, we're pretty close to what we do. We sit with the factories.
Stephen Berman: All three of our toy and consumer products division were down, ranging 9% to 23% on a full year basis. Our costume business was down 10% for the full year, with a slight increase in international offsetting the US results. Syndicated Data suggests both retail dollars and units were down compared to the prior year, while average prices increased for both children's and adult costumes. Although Halloween is always a holiday with a surge of the last-minute shoppers, we felt that the surge was even later this year to the benefit of brick-and-mortar customers more than online. We did maintain and, in fact, extended our market leadership position for the season. This past month, we proudly debuted our first fully integrated JAKKS and Disguise showroom at the Nuremberg Toy Fair, marking a significant milestone in how we present our global portfolio to the marketplace.
Stephen Berman: All three of our toy and consumer products division were down, ranging 9% to 23% on a full year basis. Our costume business was down 10% for the full year, with a slight increase in international offsetting the US results. Syndicated Data suggests both retail dollars and units were down compared to the prior year, while average prices increased for both children's and adult costumes. Although Halloween is always a holiday with a surge of the last-minute shoppers, we felt that the surge was even later this year to the benefit of brick-and-mortar customers more than online. We did maintain and, in fact, extended our market leadership position for the season. This past month, we proudly debuted our first fully integrated JAKKS and Disguise showroom at the Nuremberg Toy Fair, marking a significant milestone in how we present our global portfolio to the marketplace.
Speaker #3: We sit with the retailers. So we did hear there's a lot of promotion activity that was done heavily in November, December. But for us, there wasn't much.
In 2025 the company saw momentum across its Action. Sports portfolio with element emerging as a powerful growth engine in the second half of the Year expanded distribution and deepen. Retail Partnerships most notably with Walmart Amazon and Academy Sports and Outdoors significantly increased brand visibility strengthened shelf presence and drove meaningful gains in sell through during the critical holiday period.
Speaker #5: Okay. Okay. Very good. Thank you, Stephen.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Garrett. Welcome back, seriously.
Speaker #5: Thanks.
Speaker #1: Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn it back to Stephen Berman for closing remarks.
These results, reflect the company's disciplined. Execution, strategic product, Innovation, and unwavering focus on aligning with leading, Retail Partners to deliver compelling value within the active and early play category.
Speaker #4: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for today and finalizing and finishing 2025. And we are extremely excited for 26 and 27 and look forward to our next call.
Looking ahead. We are highly encouraged by Rising retail confidence and growing consumer engagement across Action Sports. As the industry builds toward the 2028 Summer Olympic Games.
Speaker #4: Thank you again.
Skateboard sales Trends are once again approaching elevated levels, seen in 2020 and 21 signing the renewed demand and sustained category of momentum.
this strengthening trajectory across skateboards and the adjacent Action Sports segments, positions, the company to further accelerate investment and innovation
Stephen Berman: The response from customers and partners was overwhelmingly positive, as they experienced firsthand the full breadth, depth, and quality of our offerings, powered by best-in-class licensing relationships from around the world. This successful debut reinforces our confidence in the strength of our strategy and our ability to win across multiple categories and regions. We see a substantial runway for integrated growth across Europe, with particularly strong momentum as we expand further into Eastern Europe and the Middle East. With a unified go-to-market approach, deep retail partnerships, and a world-class product pipeline, we're well-positioned to build sustained leadership and capture meaningful share of these high-growth markets throughout the season and beyond. 2025 has certainly been a disappointing year when we think of what could have been, but I remain pleased by how we adapted, evaluated, and reacted without overreacting to a volatile operating environment.
Stephen Berman: The response from customers and partners was overwhelmingly positive, as they experienced firsthand the full breadth, depth, and quality of our offerings, powered by best-in-class licensing relationships from around the world. This successful debut reinforces our confidence in the strength of our strategy and our ability to win across multiple categories and regions. We see a substantial runway for integrated growth across Europe, with particularly strong momentum as we expand further into Eastern Europe and the Middle East. With a unified go-to-market approach, deep retail partnerships, and a world-class product pipeline, we're well-positioned to build sustained leadership and capture meaningful share of these high-growth markets throughout the season and beyond. 2025 has certainly been a disappointing year when we think of what could have been, but I remain pleased by how we adapted, evaluated, and reacted without overreacting to a volatile operating environment.
Expansion, strategic Partnerships and drive durable long-term brand growth and shareholder value.
With our disguise business, we're supporting a wide range of new theatrical releases. We're excited to support Toy Story 5, which debuts in late June. As each installment of this franchise has been great for the costume business.
Also, from Disney will be the Moana release.
And the latest descendants installment. Wicked Wonderland.
The second half of this year. Also has new movies coming from Minions as well as Paw Patrol.
We will have some exciting new additions to the lineup coming from some new license or relationships. We've been busy establishing. So keep an eye out for these announcements coming soon.
Finally Halloween is once again on the weekend in 2026, Saturday to be specific. So ideally that drives more energy and activity, Beyond traditional trick-or-treating.
Those give you some highlights. We're seeing coming into the market in the first half of the year.
Stephen Berman: We executed in a year, and perhaps more importantly, at the same time, remained focused on creating new growth opportunities for the company. We protected our core business by not chasing top line at the expense of margin, while prudently controlling discretionary spending. We finished the full fiscal year with a gross margin of 32.4%, our highest full-year level in over 15 years. Our gross margin dollars were up in Q4, year-over-year, through a combination of better costing from our factories and improved inventory management. On a full year basis, our SG&A expenses were down 1%. This is a business where upfront investments are made over 12 to 18 months with the goal of future sales volumes and scaling, driving larger profits.
Stephen Berman: We executed in a year, and perhaps more importantly, at the same time, remained focused on creating new growth opportunities for the company. We protected our core business by not chasing top line at the expense of margin, while prudently controlling discretionary spending. We finished the full fiscal year with a gross margin of 32.4%, our highest full-year level in over 15 years. Our gross margin dollars were up in Q4, year-over-year, through a combination of better costing from our factories and improved inventory management. On a full year basis, our SG&A expenses were down 1%. This is a business where upfront investments are made over 12 to 18 months with the goal of future sales volumes and scaling, driving larger profits.
We remain very focused on some additional launches that we will have more in 2027 impact.
even if we can drop in some initial exclusives before the end of this year, although a lot has changed in the past 12 months, we feel we are stronger in position today with more passive growth than a year ago,
Currently we see this year as a low to mid single digit top-line growth year where they continued focus on expanding margins. While we set up to maximize the potential of several potentially impactful. New launches in 2027,
there's still a lot of work to do but I am pleased with our progress to date and being able to share more publicly about some of the exciting things we've been working on.
And with that, we'll take a couple of questions. Operator.
Stephen Berman: Although volumes were not as originally planned for the year, we nonetheless managed to reduce our Q4 Adjusted EBITDA loss to $3.8 million, versus $10.2 million in the same quarter last year. That increased our trailing twelve-month EBITDA to $35.4 million for the full year of 2025, down from $59.3 million in the prior year, when we generated $120 million more in sales. I will now pass it over to John for some comments, after which I will come back and share a bit more about where we're focused moving forward. John?
Stephen Berman: Although volumes were not as originally planned for the year, we nonetheless managed to reduce our Q4 Adjusted EBITDA loss to $3.8 million, versus $10.2 million in the same quarter last year. That increased our trailing twelve-month EBITDA to $35.4 million for the full year of 2025, down from $59.3 million in the prior year, when we generated $120 million more in sales. I will now pass it over to John for some comments, after which I will come back and share a bit more about where we're focused moving forward. John?
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and our first question comes from Eric better of small caps, consumer Research, LLC,
Good afternoon.
Hello.
Lot going on here. Um,
Let's talk a little bit about uh, the whole fob model.
John Kimble: Thank you, Stephen, and hello, everyone. A decent quarter here to wrap up a mostly indecent year from a financial perspective. As Stephen mentioned, sales stabilized a bit with the tariff shocks of Q2 and Q3 behind us. Q4 benefited from FOB shipments of our product for the Super Mario Galaxy film, which led our action play and collectibles business to a 19% year-over-year increase, with growth from both North America and international. Beyond that, I'd say that most of Q4 sales results ended up being the squeeze from whatever happened or didn't happen in Q3 and didn't really suggest any meaningful change in trend or customer behavior. Gross margin dollars grew by 11% versus prior year, driven by a slightly better margin percentage. This result is a good outcome and generally consistent with prior quarters in 2025.
John Kimble: Thank you, Stephen, and hello, everyone. A decent quarter here to wrap up a mostly indecent year from a financial perspective. As Stephen mentioned, sales stabilized a bit with the tariff shocks of Q2 and Q3 behind us. Q4 benefited from FOB shipments of our product for the Super Mario Galaxy film, which led our action play and collectibles business to a 19% year-over-year increase, with growth from both North America and international. Beyond that, I'd say that most of Q4 sales results ended up being the squeeze from whatever happened or didn't happen in Q3 and didn't really suggest any meaningful change in trend or customer behavior. Gross margin dollars grew by 11% versus prior year, driven by a slightly better margin percentage. This result is a good outcome and generally consistent with prior quarters in 2025.
When you look, obviously that got disrupted last year with the tariffs and other pieces and then ramping it back up. When you look at that model and your retailers are seeing for 26 and Beyond, is it back to the way the model was? And what kind of tweaks are you doing? If not? And it's not what kind of tweaks are there being done in the model in terms of how the retailers and yourselves are handling? The fob model?
John Kimble: Full-year gross margin ended at 32.4%, better than last year's 30.8% and a bit more consistent with 2023's 31.4%. Product costs were held in check through persistent and consistent collaboration with our long-term factory network, along with tighter management of inventory, reducing our obsolescence expense. Royalty expenses crept up a bit. Significant sales reductions have driven some minimum unearned royalty payments, along with some mix impact. We paid roughly $12 million in US tariffs in 2025, which we feel we recovered through increased pricing. Higher price, accompanied by a 1-to-1 cost addition, has the math impact of a lower margin percentage, but that amount was not really material on an enterprise level. Tariffs were far more impactful in reducing sales.
John Kimble: Full-year gross margin ended at 32.4%, better than last year's 30.8% and a bit more consistent with 2023's 31.4%. Product costs were held in check through persistent and consistent collaboration with our long-term factory network, along with tighter management of inventory, reducing our obsolescence expense. Royalty expenses crept up a bit. Significant sales reductions have driven some minimum unearned royalty payments, along with some mix impact. We paid roughly $12 million in US tariffs in 2025, which we feel we recovered through increased pricing. Higher price, accompanied by a 1-to-1 cost addition, has the math impact of a lower margin percentage, but that amount was not really material on an enterprise level. Tariffs were far more impactful in reducing sales.
John Kimble: We estimate that our US FOB customers paid nearly $50 million in tariffs on JAKKS Pacific Disguise product in 2025. We feel that $50 million would have otherwise been allocated towards more actual product, and by extension, generate more JAKKS revenue in any other year. That amount would be in addition to the additional reduction in units sold compared with our original plans, as customers understandably de-risk their year. That gives you a bit of insight into the financial implications of last year's actions on our company, although it may not be readily apparent simply looking at the financial statements. Moving on to more controllable parts of the P&L, Q4 benefited from our actions taken earlier in the year to keep SG&A spending on a tighter leash. Selling expense ended the year down 8% and G&A roughly flat.
John Kimble: We estimate that our US FOB customers paid nearly $50 million in tariffs on JAKKS Pacific Disguise product in 2025. We feel that $50 million would have otherwise been allocated towards more actual product, and by extension, generate more JAKKS revenue in any other year. That amount would be in addition to the additional reduction in units sold compared with our original plans, as customers understandably de-risk their year. That gives you a bit of insight into the financial implications of last year's actions on our company, although it may not be readily apparent simply looking at the financial statements. Moving on to more controllable parts of the P&L, Q4 benefited from our actions taken earlier in the year to keep SG&A spending on a tighter leash. Selling expense ended the year down 8% and G&A roughly flat.
Have a uh, first cost of sale program that we work with them, to have the impact of the Tariff, be less of a, of an impact to them and ourselves at the same time. So we're working through some of the major customers and secondary customers on the first sale basis. So we've learned a lot through this tariff. Um, call it congestion and confusion throughout last year, but we have a pretty good handle on it. With our Retail Partners, who we've worked extremely closely with, and our sales teams that are really uh, entwined with our major retailers have worked very hand in hand with the buyers, as well as the financial sides of our retailers to make sure that we stay focused on an fob basis because it behooves both the retailer for them to make more margin it, behooves Jacks as a sense of cost of capital and it allows to hopefully the consumer to have a little bit, lower of a price than bringing in on a domestic basis.
I should be thinking about the international opportunity with fop. I know that you mentioned the inventory, Rose a little bit, um, primarily because of the international players and some of them, aren't I guess, physically or physically big enough to do this, what's kind of the thought process there?
John Kimble: With the strength and flexibility of our balance sheet, we did this without handicapping any of the product development or new initiatives we have been working on for 2026 and 2027. Our operating loss and Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter were both improvements versus prior year, but not enough to overcome the financial carnage of Q2 and Q3. Full-year operating margin dropped to 2.5%, down from 5.7% last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 6.2%, down from 8.6%. It is a significant focus as we start the new year to revisit our processes to continue gross margin expansion while containing SG&A. We know we have the potential to do better from a margin perspective without relying on top-line improvement. The ambition would be to do both, which would, by extension, generate meaningful value.
John Kimble: With the strength and flexibility of our balance sheet, we did this without handicapping any of the product development or new initiatives we have been working on for 2026 and 2027. Our operating loss and Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter were both improvements versus prior year, but not enough to overcome the financial carnage of Q2 and Q3. Full-year operating margin dropped to 2.5%, down from 5.7% last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 6.2%, down from 8.6%. It is a significant focus as we start the new year to revisit our processes to continue gross margin expansion while containing SG&A. We know we have the potential to do better from a margin perspective without relying on top-line improvement. The ambition would be to do both, which would, by extension, generate meaningful value.
Again uh as a company and hold not just in called North America but worldwide. We are a primarily focused fob company but in order for us to expand and see the growth that we are achieving both in Latin America and EMA and now new focuses. Uh, additional focus is southeast Asia, we do need to have distribution uh centers across strategic areas in order for us to achieve the customer base. That is less, uh, the size of the major retailers that you see in Europe. There's a lot of smaller customers that make up a lot of the business. So we have a mix on an fob basis first, and then follow up with domestic inventory in order for us to achieve growth. Um, as required in those territories, many of the customers are not large enough to do an fob in order of container or or so on and so forth. So we adapt to that and work with them by each of the segments in which we're in, whether it's the Disney segment, the boy segment seasonal and so on. So,
John Kimble: A moral, if not economic, victory of note to offset our margin challenges, calendar year 2025 was the first year our interest income exceeded our interest expense for a very long time. Remembering that in 2020, we paid $21.6 million in interest expense with a full year Adjusted EBITDA of $28.1 million helps to put 2025 in context a bit. These results all tally to an adjusted quarterly loss of $0.18 per share, an improvement from a $0.67 loss in Q4 2024, but nonetheless, still dragging down our full-year Adjusted EPS to $1.62, down from $3.79 for full year 2024. The diluted share count is based on roughly 11.5 million shares.
John Kimble: A moral, if not economic, victory of note to offset our margin challenges, calendar year 2025 was the first year our interest income exceeded our interest expense for a very long time. Remembering that in 2020, we paid $21.6 million in interest expense with a full year Adjusted EBITDA of $28.1 million helps to put 2025 in context a bit. These results all tally to an adjusted quarterly loss of $0.18 per share, an improvement from a $0.67 loss in Q4 2024, but nonetheless, still dragging down our full-year Adjusted EPS to $1.62, down from $3.79 for full year 2024. The diluted share count is based on roughly 11.5 million shares.
Where appropriate, we work, um, correctly with the retailer on the size of the product pricing of the product and the bulk of the item in order to be to have the best shipping uh cost for them and price points for them. So we have warehouses of 5 different parts of the EMA we have it in in Latin America and we've um now as you see at the end of the year, we brought in inventory to help us grow those areas within fob first basis as well as the backup inventory on a
Domestic basis.
Okay. Um,
Obviously this year was a tough for the entire toy industry. You guys managed to maintain your cash? No debt basis. Lots of cash.
John Kimble: Turning to the balance sheet, we finished the year with $54 million in cash, down from $70 million last year, obviously impacted by the drop in sales. Our inventory was up slightly at a bit less than $60 million, up from $53 million last year. That change is driven by our expanded distribution footprint in Europe and Mexico. Our US-held inventory was actually down 18% year-over-year to the lowest level we've finished a year in over 10 years. Inventory management remains a focus and opportunity for us. Broadly speaking, we feel we read the second half of the year in the US about as well as we could have hoped in terms of forecasting consumer and customer behavior. The hottest of product continued to move fast, as hot products do, with the bar essentially raised for everything else with more lukewarm results.
John Kimble: Turning to the balance sheet, we finished the year with $54 million in cash, down from $70 million last year, obviously impacted by the drop in sales. Our inventory was up slightly at a bit less than $60 million, up from $53 million last year. That change is driven by our expanded distribution footprint in Europe and Mexico. Our US-held inventory was actually down 18% year-over-year to the lowest level we've finished a year in over 10 years. Inventory management remains a focus and opportunity for us. Broadly speaking, we feel we read the second half of the year in the US about as well as we could have hoped in terms of forecasting consumer and customer behavior. The hottest of product continued to move fast, as hot products do, with the bar essentially raised for everything else with more lukewarm results.
How have you have you have you been able to lever that? It sounds like you have based on which 27? How are you able to lever that in terms of adding new licenses and expanding the relationships and kind of moving up the ladder in terms of kind of being a licensee of choice? Going forward?
John Kimble: We don't feel we missed sales in Q4, and we feel good about our US inventory on hand. We also obviously feel good that imported product from China is now taxed at 20%, compared to the 30% we were paying for a lot of the year, and we didn't have to import any more of that higher cost than we did. The company remains committed to the path of being a meaningful and consistent dividend payer. Despite a somewhat soft year financially, we did manage to generate over $8 million in cash flow from operations, while also funding $11.2 million in common dividend payments. As mentioned in our release, the board approved a Q1 payment of $0.25 per common share, payable at the end of Q1. The record date is 27 February, and the payable date will be 30 March.
John Kimble: We don't feel we missed sales in Q4, and we feel good about our US inventory on hand. We also obviously feel good that imported product from China is now taxed at 20%, compared to the 30% we were paying for a lot of the year, and we didn't have to import any more of that higher cost than we did. The company remains committed to the path of being a meaningful and consistent dividend payer. Despite a somewhat soft year financially, we did manage to generate over $8 million in cash flow from operations, while also funding $11.2 million in common dividend payments. As mentioned in our release, the board approved a Q1 payment of $0.25 per common share, payable at the end of Q1. The record date is 27 February, and the payable date will be 30 March.
1 thing being healthy and clean and having a strong balance sheet, the license ORS, um, appreciate it very much. The, you know, they're always eyeing companies that have Financial issues and they don't want to take the risk of someone ruining their opportunities within their owned IP. So we've with that have been very focused not giving away Topline Revenue uh, and to erode our profit, we took what was right approach with retail, retail inventory, and our own inventory to not push for a higher sales and have that erode erode margin. We focused on margin with healthy sales. And as you can see, I think we were up 380 basis points for the year, for the quarter, for U. For I I'll go back to give you the exact numbers, um, but we focused on the margin enhancement and retailers and licenses like that. At the same time, we
John Kimble: I think the pressures of the past year have pushed us to find new areas for incremental improvement, and that will be a lot of our focus this year to see what we can figure out. In a company of our size, we have the ability to make decisions faster and by extension, capture opportunities sooner. So that's what I hope we can do. Now back to Stephen for some more comments about the year ahead.
John Kimble: I think the pressures of the past year have pushed us to find new areas for incremental improvement, and that will be a lot of our focus this year to see what we can figure out. In a company of our size, we have the ability to make decisions faster and by extension, capture opportunities sooner. So that's what I hope we can do. Now back to Stephen for some more comments about the year ahead.
We've done an expansive amount of traveling worldwide working on new initiatives, and we have some really exciting um, initiatives, uh, coming forward and will be excited to talk about as soon as some of these deals, get all accomplished. But during this period of time, we have focused on building, 26, and 27, aggressively and licensors, um, have all fallen in line with us in a very supportive
okay, I know you don't get financial guidance but just conceptually
Stephen Berman: Thank you, John. The biggest story for us at the start of this year is certainly the theatrical release of the Super Mario Galaxy Movie from Illumination. We are extremely excited for this new product launch, which will be available for purchase late February. The best-selling 5-inch scale figures are back in line, along with new scale of minifigures, new play sets, plush, and more. The film releases 1 April, and our line gives fans of all ages the chance to recreate their favorite film moments in the movie. This is a follow-up to the Super Mario Bros. Movie, which went on to generate the largest theatrical box office of 2023. So you can imagine we're beyond thrilled to be back in the mix again here supporting this launch.
Stephen Berman: Thank you, John. The biggest story for us at the start of this year is certainly the theatrical release of the Super Mario Galaxy Movie from Illumination. We are extremely excited for this new product launch, which will be available for purchase late February. The best-selling 5-inch scale figures are back in line, along with new scale of minifigures, new play sets, plush, and more. The film releases 1 April, and our line gives fans of all ages the chance to recreate their favorite film moments in the movie. This is a follow-up to the Super Mario Bros. Movie, which went on to generate the largest theatrical box office of 2023. So you can imagine we're beyond thrilled to be back in the mix again here supporting this launch.
Given that the flows in the quarters are so up and down last year, just conceptually in terms of how this year is going to flow.
Yeah, I'll jump in on that a little bit. Um,
You know, to your point, uh, q1 was a really robust quarter for us. Um,
This year or this past year. And uh, on 1 hand, we we have some momentum shipping product for Super Mario Galaxy. It's as we pointed out in the call, uh, but at the same time too, you know, is is uh,
Stephen Berman: Our Sonic DC crossover product launch received a great response in fourth quarter, with exclusive retailer launches in both the US and in Europe. Distribution of that line is going wide in the new year, with new items like the DC Sonic Batmobile being added at key retailers. Sega is celebrating the 35th anniversary of Sonic all year with various activations. We are participating by launching special packaging, commemorating this event, along with some exclusive items. We have other exciting news and plans around Sonic in 2026, but we're not ready to share those today, but stay tuned. Moving over to our Disney doll business, we'll leave the holiday season and toy fair season with solid momentum behind Disney Darlings, our latest homegrown Disney IP, and the strong tradition of Style Collection and Disney's Elly.
Stephen Berman: Our Sonic DC crossover product launch received a great response in fourth quarter, with exclusive retailer launches in both the US and in Europe. Distribution of that line is going wide in the new year, with new items like the DC Sonic Batmobile being added at key retailers. Sega is celebrating the 35th anniversary of Sonic all year with various activations. We are participating by launching special packaging, commemorating this event, along with some exclusive items. We have other exciting news and plans around Sonic in 2026, but we're not ready to share those today, but stay tuned. Moving over to our Disney doll business, we'll leave the holiday season and toy fair season with solid momentum behind Disney Darlings, our latest homegrown Disney IP, and the strong tradition of Style Collection and Disney's Elly.
Long time listeners know, q1's, always our smallest quarter. And so, you know, I've made the comment in the past it's you know, q1 for us or maybe for everyone in the industry is like a q1 of a basketball game. Don't get 3 files at the end of the first quarter and you'll kind of be okay. So you know really we're probably thinking more first half second half and as to where the the line gets drawn at the end of q1. To be honest we're not really overly uh fixating on it.
Okay, uh, good luck for more normalized 26. Thank you. Thank you, thanks. We'll take that.
Thank you.
But this is just and our next question comes from, Derek Johnson of Seaport research Partners, your line is open.
Hi uh, good afternoon. Um Welcome Back 2 things. Hey Eric hey thank you very much, good to be back. Um,
Stephen Berman: For those of you unfamiliar with Disney Darlings, our launch in the nurturing doll category, similar to our Elly line, these are not simply caricatures in figural form, but an approach we've developed in a partnership with Disney to bring new and innovative ways for our consumers to engage with the Disney brand. The intent is to spark the emotional response consumers feel when engaging with Disney, the joy and happiness when engaging experiences, a bit of the Disney magic. These are truly beautiful dolls delivered with premium quality, and what's even more magical is that unlike other baby dolls, they are 100% joyful and happy, and there's no tears and no crying.
Stephen Berman: For those of you unfamiliar with Disney Darlings, our launch in the nurturing doll category, similar to our Elly line, these are not simply caricatures in figural form, but an approach we've developed in a partnership with Disney to bring new and innovative ways for our consumers to engage with the Disney brand. The intent is to spark the emotional response consumers feel when engaging with Disney, the joy and happiness when engaging experiences, a bit of the Disney magic. These are truly beautiful dolls delivered with premium quality, and what's even more magical is that unlike other baby dolls, they are 100% joyful and happy, and there's no tears and no crying.
So, 1 on POS. Uh, what was that in a quarter? How did a trend and, and evolved through the quarter and then, uh, inventory at retail? What is yours look like? But also more broadly. The industry. Is there any, uh, pockets of inventory that could clutter and uh, and and, you know, affect the industry that way?
Yeah, so I'll take the first part of that and Stephen can Circle back on the inventory piece. You know, from a p point of view, you can read into the fact that we weren't bragging about it is that we weren't thrilled with it, you know. But as we mentioned on the call, the super hot like new launch items, you know, blew through in a way that, you know, we were happy to see and, you know, gave us confidence that broadly what we're doing. But I think broadly speaking with where we saw higher retailer prices, you know, that slowed down PS, um for those segments.
Stephen Berman: Our soft launch of this line sold through well in fall, leading us to expand listings in the US this year, as well as a lot of interest and commitments internationally coming out of this past month's toy fair. We've seen enough positive feedback to feel that we have a winner here that can steadily build this year and into the next, into being another solid foundational piece of business for us. Congratulations to the team on this one. We're also supporting the live-action theatrical release of Moana in early July this year. Moana has been a steady part of our business for over the past 10 years, going back to the original animated release in 2026. We're happy to be able to bring back some of the most popular toys we've created over the years as a new audience engages with this story this summer.
Stephen Berman: Our soft launch of this line sold through well in fall, leading us to expand listings in the US this year, as well as a lot of interest and commitments internationally coming out of this past month's toy fair. We've seen enough positive feedback to feel that we have a winner here that can steadily build this year and into the next, into being another solid foundational piece of business for us. Congratulations to the team on this one. We're also supporting the live-action theatrical release of Moana in early July this year. Moana has been a steady part of our business for over the past 10 years, going back to the original animated release in 2026. We're happy to be able to bring back some of the most popular toys we've created over the years as a new audience engages with this story this summer.
So, um, you know, notwithstanding all the other kind of hair on the topic of POS in terms of what is the underlying margin for that POS? Um you know I think that's kind of what we'd have on that. You know, from a retail inventory point of view, Steven's a little bit closer to that I'll let him. So I'll go through some of the 2 major retailers in the US, we're down at 1 of them down, 21% year-over-year and down to about 4% on another. So our inventory at retail is is, uh, very tight for us which is good. We didn't again, as I said earlier, in the Eric asked a question is, we did not want to chase top line and worry about the inventory levels after the holiday season. So we really focused on shipping what was appropriate and focusing on profitability.
And to answer what I did, we I mentioned earlier, I just want to make sure I clarify, we were 380 basis points, uh, higher on margin for fourth quarter than the year prior. So I want to make sure I got that out there.
Stephen Berman: Our focus items include Moana's Necklace, Maui's Fishhook, all the more aspirational with the rock reprising his role to the film, our Heihei, the screaming chicken, and our super popular Moana large dolls. We also have a couple of additional exciting developments coming on our Disney doll front later this year. In the other part of our doll division, we continually steadily build our private label business with major retailers in the US and expanding into Europe. It's an extremely broad array of dolls, role play toys, and related subcategories that allow the retailers to make additional margin while the consumers get a high-quality, on-trend design product at a much lower price. In this area, we have several new launches that we will discuss in the following quarters that will be launched during the fall holiday season.
Stephen Berman: Our focus items include Moana's Necklace, Maui's Fishhook, all the more aspirational with the rock reprising his role to the film, our Heihei, the screaming chicken, and our super popular Moana large dolls. We also have a couple of additional exciting developments coming on our Disney doll front later this year. In the other part of our doll division, we continually steadily build our private label business with major retailers in the US and expanding into Europe. It's an extremely broad array of dolls, role play toys, and related subcategories that allow the retailers to make additional margin while the consumers get a high-quality, on-trend design product at a much lower price. In this area, we have several new launches that we will discuss in the following quarters that will be launched during the fall holiday season.
Yeah. No, that's impressive and and uh so how would you describe the promotional activity and and perhaps sales allowances uh in the fourth quarter?
For us, they were quite normal or a little bit less than normal for. I think a lot of the major, our competitors, put a lot of heavy and discounting and promotional. Um, but to me, you know, looking at what we've seen throughout the year, it was a very cautionary year because of the tariffs and not knowing what the consumer kind of. Um, appetite was. So again, we're, we're pretty close to what we do. We sit with the factory.
We sit with the retailers. So we did hear there's a lot of promotion activity that was done heavily in November December, but for us, there wasn't much.
Okay. Okay, very good. Thank you. Stephen.
Thank you, g. Welcome back. Seriously.
Thanks.
Stephen Berman: In 2025, the company saw momentum across its action sports portfolio, with Element emerging as a powerful growth engine in the second half of the year, expanded distribution and deepened retail partnerships, most notably with Walmart, Amazon, and Academy Sports + Outdoors. Significantly increased brand visibility, strengthened shelf presence, and drove meaningful gains in sell-through during a critical holiday period. These results reflect the company's disciplined execution, strategic product innovation, and an unwavering focus on aligning with leading retail partners to deliver compelling value within the active and early play category. Looking ahead, we are highly encouraged by rising retail confidence and growing consumer engagement across action sports as the industry builds toward the 2028 Summer Olympic Games. Skateboard sales trends are once again approaching elevated levels seen in 2020 and 2021, signaling the renewed demand and sustained category momentum.
Stephen Berman: In 2025, the company saw momentum across its action sports portfolio, with Element emerging as a powerful growth engine in the second half of the year, expanded distribution and deepened retail partnerships, most notably with Walmart, Amazon, and Academy Sports + Outdoors. Significantly increased brand visibility, strengthened shelf presence, and drove meaningful gains in sell-through during a critical holiday period. These results reflect the company's disciplined execution, strategic product innovation, and an unwavering focus on aligning with leading retail partners to deliver compelling value within the active and early play category. Looking ahead, we are highly encouraged by rising retail confidence and growing consumer engagement across action sports as the industry builds toward the 2028 Summer Olympic Games. Skateboard sales trends are once again approaching elevated levels seen in 2020 and 2021, signaling the renewed demand and sustained category momentum.
Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session, I'd like to turn it back to Stephen Berman for closing remarks. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for today and finalizing and finishing 2025. And we are extremely excited for 26 and 27 and look forward to our next call.
Thank you again.
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Stephen Berman: This strengthening trajectory across skateboards and the adjacent action sports segments positions the company to further accelerate investment in innovation, expand strategic partnerships, and drive durable, long-term brand growth and shareholder value. With our Disguise business, we're supporting a wide range of new theatrical releases. We're excited to support Toy Story 5, which debuts in late June, as each installment of this franchise has been great for the costume business. Also from Disney, will be the Moana release and the latest Descendants installment, Wicked Wonderland. The second half of this year also has new movies coming from Minions as well as Paw Patrol. We'll have some exciting new additions to the lineup coming from some new licensor relationships we've been busy establishing, so keep an eye out for these announcements coming soon.
Stephen Berman: This strengthening trajectory across skateboards and the adjacent action sports segments positions the company to further accelerate investment in innovation, expand strategic partnerships, and drive durable, long-term brand growth and shareholder value. With our Disguise business, we're supporting a wide range of new theatrical releases. We're excited to support Toy Story 5, which debuts in late June, as each installment of this franchise has been great for the costume business. Also from Disney, will be the Moana release and the latest Descendants installment, Wicked Wonderland. The second half of this year also has new movies coming from Minions as well as Paw Patrol. We'll have some exciting new additions to the lineup coming from some new licensor relationships we've been busy establishing, so keep an eye out for these announcements coming soon.
Stephen Berman: Finally, Halloween is once again on the weekend in 2026, Saturday, to be specific, so ideally, that drives more energy and activity beyond traditional trick-or-treating. Those give you some highlights we're seeing coming into the market in the first half of the year. We remain very focused on some additional launches that we will have more in 2027 impact, even if we can drop in some initial exclusives before the end of this year. Although a lot has changed in the past 12 months, we feel we are stronger in position today with more paths to grow than a year ago.
Stephen Berman: Finally, Halloween is once again on the weekend in 2026, Saturday, to be specific, so ideally, that drives more energy and activity beyond traditional trick-or-treating. Those give you some highlights we're seeing coming into the market in the first half of the year. We remain very focused on some additional launches that we will have more in 2027 impact, even if we can drop in some initial exclusives before the end of this year. Although a lot has changed in the past 12 months, we feel we are stronger in position today with more paths to grow than a year ago.
Stephen Berman: Currently, we see this year as a low to mid-single digit top-line growth year, with a continued focus on expanding margins, while we set up to maximize the potential of several potentially impactful new launches in 2027. ... There's still a lot of work to do, but I'm pleased with our progress to date and being able to share more publicly about some of the exciting things we've been working on. And with that, we'll take a couple questions. Operator?
Stephen Berman: Currently, we see this year as a low to mid-single digit top-line growth year, with a continued focus on expanding margins, while we set up to maximize the potential of several potentially impactful new launches in 2027. ... There's still a lot of work to do, but I'm pleased with our progress to date and being able to share more publicly about some of the exciting things we've been working on. And with that, we'll take a couple questions. Operator?
Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Eric is second. Our first question comes from Eric Beder of Small Cap Consumer Research LLC.
Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Eric is second. Our first question comes from Eric Beder of Small Cap Consumer Research LLC.
Eric Beder: Good afternoon.
Eric Beder: Good afternoon.
Stephen Berman: Hello, Eric.
Stephen Berman: Hello, Eric.
Eric Beder: Oh, a lot going on here. Let's talk a little bit about the whole FOB model. When you look, obviously, that got disrupted last year with the tariffs and other pieces, and then ramping it back up. When you look at that model and your retailers are seeing for 2026 and beyond, is it back to the way the model was? And what kind of tweaks are you doing? If not, what kind of tweaks are there being done in the model in terms of how the retailers and yourselves are handling the FOB model?
Eric Beder: Oh, a lot going on here. Let's talk a little bit about the whole FOB model. When you look, obviously, that got disrupted last year with the tariffs and other pieces, and then ramping it back up. When you look at that model and your retailers are seeing for 2026 and beyond, is it back to the way the model was? And what kind of tweaks are you doing? If not, what kind of tweaks are there being done in the model in terms of how the retailers and yourselves are handling the FOB model?
Stephen Berman: Well, firstly, thank you, Eric. We're continuing to focus on an FOB-first business, that's been since inception. You know, last year, we stayed very focused on it as well, but we had to adapt based on where we manufactured, whether it was in China, Indonesia, so on and so forth, and Southeast Asia. So we had a slight decrease in FOB, but not materially. Back into 2026 and 2027, we will be moving forward again on an FOB first basis. At the same time, a lot of the major retailers in the US have a first cost of sale program that we work with them to have the impact of the tariff be less of an impact to them and ourselves at the same time.
Stephen Berman: Well, firstly, thank you, Eric. We're continuing to focus on an FOB-first business, that's been since inception. You know, last year, we stayed very focused on it as well, but we had to adapt based on where we manufactured, whether it was in China, Indonesia, so on and so forth, and Southeast Asia. So we had a slight decrease in FOB, but not materially. Back into 2026 and 2027, we will be moving forward again on an FOB first basis. At the same time, a lot of the major retailers in the US have a first cost of sale program that we work with them to have the impact of the tariff be less of an impact to them and ourselves at the same time.
Stephen Berman: So we're working through some of the major customers and secondary customers on a first sale basis. So we've learned a lot through this tariff, call it congestion and confusion throughout last year, but we have a pretty good handle on it with our retail partners, who we've worked extremely closely with. And our sales teams that are really, entwined with our major retailers, have worked very hand in hand with the buyers, as well as the financial sides of our retailers, to make sure that we stay focused on an FOB basis. Because it behooves both the retailer, for them to make more margin, it behooves JAKKS, as a sense of cost of capital, and it allows, hopefully, the consumer to have a little bit lower price than bringing in on a domestic basis.
Stephen Berman: So we're working through some of the major customers and secondary customers on a first sale basis. So we've learned a lot through this tariff, call it congestion and confusion throughout last year, but we have a pretty good handle on it with our retail partners, who we've worked extremely closely with. And our sales teams that are really, entwined with our major retailers, have worked very hand in hand with the buyers, as well as the financial sides of our retailers, to make sure that we stay focused on an FOB basis. Because it behooves both the retailer, for them to make more margin, it behooves JAKKS, as a sense of cost of capital, and it allows, hopefully, the consumer to have a little bit lower price than bringing in on a domestic basis.
Eric Beder: How should we be thinking about the international opportunity with FOB? I know that you mentioned the inventory rose a little bit, primarily because of the international players, and some of them aren't, I guess, physically or fiscally big enough to do this. What's kind of the thought process there?
Eric Beder: How should we be thinking about the international opportunity with FOB? I know that you mentioned the inventory rose a little bit, primarily because of the international players, and some of them aren't, I guess, physically or fiscally big enough to do this. What's kind of the thought process there?
Stephen Berman: Again, as a company in whole, not just in North America, but worldwide, we are a primarily focused FOB company. But in order for us to expand and see the growth that we are achieving, both in Latin America and EMEA and now new focuses, additional focuses, Southeast Asia, we do need to have distribution centers across strategic areas in order for us to achieve the customer base that is less the size of the major retailers that you see. In Europe, there's a lot of smaller customers that make up a lot of the business. So we have a mix on an FOB basis first, and then follow up with domestic inventory in order for us to achieve growth, as required in those territories.
Stephen Berman: Again, as a company in whole, not just in North America, but worldwide, we are a primarily focused FOB company. But in order for us to expand and see the growth that we are achieving, both in Latin America and EMEA and now new focuses, additional focuses, Southeast Asia, we do need to have distribution centers across strategic areas in order for us to achieve the customer base that is less the size of the major retailers that you see. In Europe, there's a lot of smaller customers that make up a lot of the business. So we have a mix on an FOB basis first, and then follow up with domestic inventory in order for us to achieve growth, as required in those territories.
Stephen Berman: Many of the customers are not large enough to do an FOB and order a container or, or so on and so forth. So we adapt to that and work with them by each of the segments in which we're in, whether it's the Disney segment, the boy segment, seasonal, and so on. So where appropriate, we work correctly with the retailer on the size of the product, pricing of the product, and the bulk of the item in order to have the best shipping cost for them and price points for them. So we have warehouses in five different parts of the EMEA.
Stephen Berman: Many of the customers are not large enough to do an FOB and order a container or, or so on and so forth. So we adapt to that and work with them by each of the segments in which we're in, whether it's the Disney segment, the boy segment, seasonal, and so on. So where appropriate, we work correctly with the retailer on the size of the product, pricing of the product, and the bulk of the item in order to have the best shipping cost for them and price points for them. So we have warehouses in five different parts of the EMEA.
Stephen Berman: We have it in Latin America, and we've now, as you see, at the end of this year, we've brought in inventory to help us grow those areas with an FOB first basis, as well as with backup inventory on a domestic basis.
Stephen Berman: We have it in Latin America, and we've now, as you see, at the end of this year, we've brought in inventory to help us grow those areas with an FOB first basis, as well as with backup inventory on a domestic basis.
Eric Beder: Okay. Obviously, this year was tough for the entire toy industry. You guys managed to maintain your cash, no debt basis, lots of cash. How have you been able to lever that? It sounds like you have, based on what 0.7. How have you been able to lever that in terms of adding new licenses, maintaining, expanding the relationships, and kind of moving up the ladder in terms of kind of being the licensee of choice going forward?
Eric Beder: Okay. Obviously, this year was tough for the entire toy industry. You guys managed to maintain your cash, no debt basis, lots of cash. How have you been able to lever that? It sounds like you have, based on what 0.7. How have you been able to lever that in terms of adding new licenses, maintaining, expanding the relationships, and kind of moving up the ladder in terms of kind of being the licensee of choice going forward?
Stephen Berman: One thing, being healthy and clean and having a strong balance sheet, the licensors appreciate it very much. You know, they're always eyeing companies that have financial issues, and they don't want to take the risk of someone ruining their opportunities within their owned IP. So we, with that, have been very focused, not giving away top-line revenue, and to erode our profit. We took what was right approach with retail, retail inventory and our own inventory, to not push for higher sales and have that erode margin. We focused on margin with healthy sales, and as you can see, I think we were up 380 basis points for the year, for the quarter. I, I'll go back to give you the exact numbers. But we focused on the margin enhancement, and retailers and licensors like that.
Stephen Berman: One thing, being healthy and clean and having a strong balance sheet, the licensors appreciate it very much. You know, they're always eyeing companies that have financial issues, and they don't want to take the risk of someone ruining their opportunities within their owned IP. So we, with that, have been very focused, not giving away top-line revenue, and to erode our profit. We took what was right approach with retail, retail inventory and our own inventory, to not push for higher sales and have that erode margin. We focused on margin with healthy sales, and as you can see, I think we were up 380 basis points for the year, for the quarter. I, I'll go back to give you the exact numbers. But we focused on the margin enhancement, and retailers and licensors like that.
Stephen Berman: At the same time, we've done an expansive amount of traveling worldwide, working on new initiatives, and we have some really exciting initiatives coming forward, and we'll be excited to talk about as soon as some of these deals get all accomplished. But during this period of time, we have focused on building 2026 and 2027 aggressively, and licensors have all fallen in line with us and are very supportive.
Stephen Berman: At the same time, we've done an expansive amount of traveling worldwide, working on new initiatives, and we have some really exciting initiatives coming forward, and we'll be excited to talk about as soon as some of these deals get all accomplished. But during this period of time, we have focused on building 2026 and 2027 aggressively, and licensors have all fallen in line with us and are very supportive.
Eric Beder: Okay. I know you don't give financial guidance, but just conceptually, Q1 last year was an extremely strong quarter. It was also a quarter, I believe, where you had a significant amount of product that was shipped early because people wanted to get in front of tariffs. How should we be thinking, given that the flows in the quarters are so up and down last year, just conceptually, in terms of how this year is going to flow?
Eric Beder: Okay. I know you don't give financial guidance, but just conceptually, Q1 last year was an extremely strong quarter. It was also a quarter, I believe, where you had a significant amount of product that was shipped early because people wanted to get in front of tariffs. How should we be thinking, given that the flows in the quarters are so up and down last year, just conceptually, in terms of how this year is going to flow?
John Kimble: Yeah, I'll jump in on that a little bit. To your point, Q1 was a really robust quarter for us, this year, or this past year. And on one hand, we have some momentum shipping product for Super Mario Galaxy, as we pointed out in the call. But at the same time, too, you know, as longtime listeners know, Q1 is always our smallest quarter. And so, you know, I've made the comment in the past, you know, Q1 for us, or maybe for everyone in the industry, is like a Q1 of a basketball game. Don't get three fouls at the end of the first quarter, and you'll kind of be okay.
John Kimble: Yeah, I'll jump in on that a little bit. To your point, Q1 was a really robust quarter for us, this year, or this past year. And on one hand, we have some momentum shipping product for Super Mario Galaxy, as we pointed out in the call. But at the same time, too, you know, as longtime listeners know, Q1 is always our smallest quarter. And so, you know, I've made the comment in the past, you know, Q1 for us, or maybe for everyone in the industry, is like a Q1 of a basketball game. Don't get three fouls at the end of the first quarter, and you'll kind of be okay.
John Kimble: So, you know, really, we're probably thinking more first half, second half, and as to where the line gets drawn at the end of Q1, to be honest, we're not really overly fixating on it.
John Kimble: So, you know, really, we're probably thinking more first half, second half, and as to where the line gets drawn at the end of Q1, to be honest, we're not really overly fixating on it.
Eric Beder: Okay. Good luck for a more normalized 2026. Thanks, guys.
Eric Beder: Okay. Good luck for a more normalized 2026. Thanks, guys.
Stephen Berman: Thank you. Thanks. We'll take that.
John Kimble: Thank you. Thanks. We'll take that.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question comes from Eric Johnson of Seaport Research Partners. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question comes from Eric Johnson of Seaport Research Partners. Your line is open.
Eric Johnson: Hi, good afternoon.
Gerrick Johnson: Hi, good afternoon.
Stephen Berman: Welcome back.
Stephen Berman: Welcome back.
Eric Johnson: Maybe two things.
Gerrick Johnson: Maybe two things.
Stephen Berman: Hey, Eric.
Stephen Berman: Hey, Eric.
Eric Johnson: Hey, thank you very much. Good to be back. So one on POS, what was that in a quarter? How did it trend and evolve through the quarter? And then, inventory at retail, what does yours look like? But also, more broadly, the industry, is there any pockets of inventory that could clutter and, you know, affect the industry that way?
Gerrick Johnson: Hey, thank you very much. Good to be back. So one on POS, what was that in a quarter? How did it trend and evolve through the quarter? And then, inventory at retail, what does yours look like? But also, more broadly, the industry, is there any pockets of inventory that could clutter and, you know, affect the industry that way?
John Kimble: Yeah, so I'll take the first part of that, and Stephen can circle back on the inventory piece. You know, from a POS point of view, you can read into the fact that we weren't bragging about it is that we weren't thrilled with it. You know, but as we mentioned on the call, the super hot, like, new launch items, you know, blew through in a way that, you know, we were happy to see and, you know, gave us confidence with broadly what we're doing. But I think broadly speaking, with where we saw higher retailer prices, you know, that slowed down POS for those segments. So, you know, notwithstanding all the other kind of hair on the topic of POS in terms of what is the underlying margin for that POS, you know, I think that's kind of what we'd have on that.
John Kimble: Yeah, so I'll take the first part of that, and Stephen can circle back on the inventory piece. You know, from a POS point of view, you can read into the fact that we weren't bragging about it is that we weren't thrilled with it. You know, but as we mentioned on the call, the super hot, like, new launch items, you know, blew through in a way that, you know, we were happy to see and, you know, gave us confidence with broadly what we're doing. But I think broadly speaking, with where we saw higher retailer prices, you know, that slowed down POS for those segments. So, you know, notwithstanding all the other kind of hair on the topic of POS in terms of what is the underlying margin for that POS, you know, I think that's kind of what we'd have on that.
Stephen Berman: Yeah.
Stephen Berman: Yeah.
John Kimble: From a retail inventory point of view, Stephen's a little bit closer to that. I'll, I'll let him-
John Kimble: From a retail inventory point of view, Stephen's a little bit closer to that. I'll, I'll let him-
Stephen Berman: So I'll go through some of the two major retailers in the US. We're down at one of them, down 21% year-over-year and down about 4% on another. So our inventory at retail is, is, very tight for us, which is good. We didn't. Again, as I said earlier, and, Eric asked a question, is we did not want to chase top line and worry about the inventory levels after the holiday season. So we really focused on shipping what was appropriate and focusing on profitability. And to answer what I did, we. I, I mentioned earlier, I just want to make sure I clarify, we were 380 basis points higher in margin for Q4 than the year prior. So I want to make sure I got that out there.
Stephen Berman: So I'll go through some of the two major retailers in the US. We're down at one of them, down 21% year-over-year and down about 4% on another. So our inventory at retail is, is, very tight for us, which is good. We didn't. Again, as I said earlier, and, Eric asked a question, is we did not want to chase top line and worry about the inventory levels after the holiday season. So we really focused on shipping what was appropriate and focusing on profitability. And to answer what I did, we. I, I mentioned earlier, I just want to make sure I clarify, we were 380 basis points higher in margin for Q4 than the year prior. So I want to make sure I got that out there.
Eric Johnson: Yeah, no, that's impressive. And so how would you describe the promotional activity and perhaps sales allowances in the fourth quarter?
Gerrick Johnson: Yeah, no, that's impressive. And so how would you describe the promotional activity and perhaps sales allowances in the fourth quarter?
Stephen Berman: For us, they were quite normal or a little bit less than normal. For, I think a lot of the major, our competitors put a lot of heavy in discounting and promotional. But to me, you know, looking at what we've seen throughout the year, it was a very cautionary year because of the tariffs and not knowing what the consumer kind of appetite was. So again, we're pretty close to what we do. We sit with the factories, we sit with the retailers. So we did hear there was a lot of promotion activity that was done heavily in November, December, but for us, there wasn't much.
Stephen Berman: For us, they were quite normal or a little bit less than normal. For, I think a lot of the major, our competitors put a lot of heavy in discounting and promotional. But to me, you know, looking at what we've seen throughout the year, it was a very cautionary year because of the tariffs and not knowing what the consumer kind of appetite was. So again, we're pretty close to what we do. We sit with the factories, we sit with the retailers. So we did hear there was a lot of promotion activity that was done heavily in November, December, but for us, there wasn't much.
Eric Johnson: Okay. Okay, very good. Thank you, Stephen.
Gerrick Johnson: Okay. Okay, very good. Thank you, Stephen.
Stephen Berman: Thank you, Garrett. Welcome back, seriously.
Stephen Berman: Thank you, Garrett. Welcome back, seriously.
Eric Johnson: Thanks.
Gerrick Johnson: Thanks.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn it back to Stephen Berman for closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn it back to Stephen Berman for closing remarks.
Stephen Berman: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for today and finalizing and finishing 2025, and we are extremely excited for 2026 and 2027, and look forward to our next call. Thank you again.
Stephen Berman: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for today and finalizing and finishing 2025, and we are extremely excited for 2026 and 2027, and look forward to our next call. Thank you again.
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