Q4 2025 Seanergy Maritime Holdings Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #2: Thank you for standing by, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Seanergy Maritime Holdings Corp. conference call on the fourth quarter and year-end, December 31, 2025, financial results.
Speaker #2: We have with us Mr. Stamatios Tsantanis, Chairman and CEO, and Mr. Stavros Gyftakis, Chief Financial Officer of Seanergy Maritime Holdings Corp. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
Operator: There will be a presentation followed by a question and answer session, at which time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone keypad. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. Please be advised that this conference call is being recorded today, Tuesday, 17 February 2026. The archived webcast of the conference call will soon be made available on the Seanergy website, www.seanergymaritime.com.
Speaker #2: There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session. At that time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #2: You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. Please be advised that this conference call is being recorded today, Tuesday, February 17, 2026.
Speaker #2: The archived webcast of the conference call will soon be made available on the Seenergy website www.seenergymaritime.com. To access today's presentation and listen to the archived audio file, visit the Seenergy Maritime website following the webcast and presentation section under the Investor Relations page.
Operator: To access today's presentation and listen to the archived audio file, visit the Seanergy Maritime website following the Webcast and Presentation section under the Investor Relations page. Please now turn to slide 2 of the presentation. Many of the remarks contained today contain forward-looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results may differ materially from the results projected from those forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that can cause the actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statement is contained in the Q4 and year-end December 31, 2025 earnings release, which is available on the Seanergy website, again, www.seanergymaritime.com. I would now like to turn the conference over to one of your speakers today, the Chairman and CEO of the company, Mr. Stamatis Tsantanis. Please go ahead, sir.
Operator: To access today's presentation and listen to the archived audio file, visit the Seanergy Maritime website following the Webcast and Presentation section under the Investor Relations page. Please now turn to slide 2 of the presentation. Many of the remarks contained today contain forward-looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results may differ materially from the results projected from those forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: Please now turn to slide 2 of the presentation.
Speaker #1: The presentation . Many of the remarks contain today contain forward looking statements based on current expectations . Actual results may differ materially from the results projected from those forward looking statements Additional information concerning factors that can cause the actual results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements is contained in the fourth quarter and year ended December 31st , 2025 .
Operator: Additional information concerning factors that can cause the actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statement is contained in the Q4 and year-end December 31, 2025 earnings release, which is available on the Seanergy website, again, www.seanergymaritime.com. I would now like to turn the conference over to one of your speakers today, the Chairman and CEO of the company, Mr. Stamatis Tsantanis. Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker #1: Earnings release, which is available on the Seanergy website. Again, Maritime, I would now like to turn the conference over to one of your speakers today.
Speaker #1: The Chairman and CEO of the company, Mr. Stamatios Tsantanis. Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker #2: Thank you, operator, and welcome, everyone. Today we're pleased to present our financial results and company updates for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Thank you, operator, and welcome everyone. Today, we're pleased to present our financial results and company updates for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025. 2025 marked our fifth consecutive year of profitability and another important milestone for Seanergy. We delivered strong earnings, generated meaningful cash flow, advanced our fleet renewal strategy, and continued returning capital to our shareholders, significant capital to our shareholders, all while further strengthening our balance sheet. For the fourth quarter of 2025, we reported earnings per share of $0.68, and for the full year period of 2025, we reported earnings per share of $1.28. Both our net income, as well as the appreciation in value of vessels acquired since 2021, underscore the operating leverage embedded in our platform.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Thank you, operator, and welcome everyone. Today, we're pleased to present our financial results and company updates for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025. 2025 marked our fifth consecutive year of profitability and another important milestone for Seanergy. We delivered strong earnings, generated meaningful cash flow, advanced our fleet renewal strategy, and continued returning capital to our shareholders, significant capital to our shareholders, all while further strengthening our balance sheet. For the fourth quarter of 2025, we reported earnings per share of $0.68, and for the full year period of 2025, we reported earnings per share of $1.28. Both our net income, as well as the appreciation in value of vessels acquired since 2021, underscore the operating leverage embedded in our platform.
Speaker #2: 2025 marked our fifth consecutive year of profitability and another important milestone for synergy . We delivered strong earnings , generated meaningful cash flow , advanced our fleet renewal strategy , and continued returning capital to our shareholders , significant capital to our shareholders , all while further strengthening our balance sheet For the fourth quarter of 2025 , we reported earnings per share of $0.68 .
Speaker #2: And for the full year period of 2025, we reported earnings per share of $1 and $0.28. Both are net income, as well as the appreciation in value of vessels acquired since 2021.
Speaker #2: Underscore the operating leverage embedded in our platform . Our profitable track record validates our long term , consistent strategy of focusing exclusively on larger bulkers , Capesize and Newcastle maxis .
Stamatis Tsantanis: Our profitable track record validates our long-term consistent strategy of focusing exclusively on larger bulkers, Capesizes, and Newcastlemaxes. Seanergy is optimally positioned in what we believe is a favorable Capesize environment, supported by expanding long-haul demand while fleet supply growth remains constrained. Aging tonnage, limited new ordering, and environmental regulations are creating a structured, tighter supply environment. With respect to fleet renewal and optimization, we have made significant progress. To date, we have secured three high-specification eco new buildings, two Capesizes and one Newcastlemax, at leading Chinese shipyards, with deliveries between Q2 2027 and Q2 2028, totaling approximately $226 million. At the same time, we recently concluded the sale of a 2010-built Duke ship at a firm price. In addition to the sale of the 2010-built Ginu ship earlier in 2025.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Our profitable track record validates our long-term consistent strategy of focusing exclusively on larger bulkers, Capesizes, and Newcastlemaxes. Seanergy is optimally positioned in what we believe is a favorable Capesize environment, supported by expanding long-haul demand while fleet supply growth remains constrained. Aging tonnage, limited new ordering, and environmental regulations are creating a structured, tighter supply environment. With respect to fleet renewal and optimization, we have made significant progress.
Speaker #2: Synergy is optimally positioned in what we believe is a favorable Capesize environment, supported by expanding long-haul demand, while fleet supply growth remains constrained.
Speaker #2: Aging tonnage, limited new ordering, and environmental regulations are creating a structurally tighter supply environment. With respect to fleet renewal and optimization, we have made significant progress.
Speaker #2: To date . We have secured three high specification echo new buildings , two Cape and one Newcastle Max at leading Chinese shipyards with deliveries between Q2 27 and Q2 28 , totaling approximately $226 million .
Stamatis Tsantanis: To date, we have secured three high-specification eco new buildings, two Capesizes and one Newcastlemax, at leading Chinese shipyards, with deliveries between Q2 2027 and Q2 2028, totaling approximately $226 million. At the same time, we recently concluded the sale of a 2010-built Duke ship at a firm price. In addition to the sale of the 2010-built Ginu ship earlier in 2025.
Speaker #2: At the same time , we recently concluded the sale of a 2010 built Duke ship at the firm price . In addition to the sale of the 2010 built ship .
Speaker #2: Earlier in 2025 , both transactions released significant capital for the company . The current strength in second hand values allows us to execute our fleet transition in a disciplined and measured manner , while maintaining strong balance sheet at the year end , our fleet Loan to value stood reflecting a conservative leverage profile supported by disciplined balance sheet management As a pure play , Capesize operator , we maintain balanced leverage that preserves financial resilience while retaining meaningful exposure to market upside Let us turn now to slide four for an overview of our capital distributions Slide four .
Stamatis Tsantanis: Both transactions released significant capital for the company. The current strength in secondhand values allows us to execute our fleet transition in a disciplined and measured manner while maintaining strong balance sheet. At the year-end, our fleet loan-to-value stood at 43%, reflecting a conservative leverage profile supported by disciplined balance sheet management. As a pure-play Capesize operator, we maintain balanced leverage that preserves financial resilience while retaining meaningful exposure to market upside. Let us turn now to slide 4 for an overview of our capital distributions. Slide 4. In this profitable market environment, our capital allocation priorities remain clear: return capital to our investors, modernize our fleet, and preserve financial strength. In 2025, we declared total dividends of $0.43 per share, including $0.20 for Q4.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Both transactions released significant capital for the company. The current strength in secondhand values allows us to execute our fleet transition in a disciplined and measured manner while maintaining strong balance sheet. At the year-end, our fleet loan-to-value stood at 43%, reflecting a conservative leverage profile supported by disciplined balance sheet management.
Stamatis Tsantanis: As a pure-play Capesize operator, we maintain balanced leverage that preserves financial resilience while retaining meaningful exposure to market upside. Let us turn now to slide 4 for an overview of our capital distributions. Slide 4. In this profitable market environment, our capital allocation priorities remain clear: return capital to our investors, modernize our fleet, and preserve financial strength. In 2025, we declared total dividends of $0.43 per share, including $0.20 for Q4.
Speaker #2: In this profitable market environment , our capital allocation priorities remain clear . Return capital to our investors . Modernize our fleet and preserve financial strength in 2025 , we declared total dividends of $0.43 per share , including $0.20 for the fourth quarter since Q4 2021 , we have returned approximately $96 million to our shareholders through dividends , share buybacks , and note repurchases Based on our track record and current market strength , we remain constructive on future distributions subject to market conditions and capital commitments Slide number five .
Stamatis Tsantanis: Since Q4 2021, we have returned approximately $96 million to our shareholders through dividends, share buybacks, and note repurchases. Based on our track record and current market strength, we remain constructive on future distributions, subject to market conditions and capital commitments. Slide 5, commercial snapshot. Turning to slide 5, 2025 demonstrated the strength of our chartering strategy. During the fourth quarter, Seanergy achieved a daily time charter equivalent of approximately $26,600, while our full year time charter equivalent was approximately $21,000 a day. Fleet utilization exceeded 96% despite the intense dry docking schedule, reflecting our strong operating efficiency.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Since Q4 2021, we have returned approximately $96 million to our shareholders through dividends, share buybacks, and note repurchases. Based on our track record and current market strength, we remain constructive on future distributions, subject to market conditions and capital commitments. Slide 5, commercial snapshot. Turning to slide 5, 2025 demonstrated the strength of our chartering strategy. During the fourth quarter, Seanergy achieved a daily time charter equivalent of approximately $26,600, while our full year time charter equivalent was approximately $21,000 a day. Fleet utilization exceeded 96% despite the intense dry docking schedule, reflecting our strong operating efficiency.
Speaker #2: Commercial snapshot . Turning to slide number five . 2025 demonstrated the strength of our chartering strategy During the fourth quarter , synergy achieved a daily time starter equivalent of approximately $26,600 , while our full year temperature equivalent was approximately $21,000 a day .
Speaker #2: Fleet utilization exceeded 96%. Despite the intense drydocking schedule, reflecting our strong operating efficiency in what was an extremely volatile year for the Capesize market, we are very pleased with our balanced commercial strategy.
Stamatis Tsantanis: In what was an extremely volatile year for the Capesize market, we are very pleased with our balanced commercial strategy, combining index-linked exposure with selective forward fixtures, and that has allowed us to participate in market upside while securing cash flows, visibility, and reducing volatility. Looking forward for Q1 2026, we expect our time charter equivalent to be about $25,300 per day based on the FFA curve for the remaining days of February and March. We are closely tracking Capesize index during the period of counter seasonal strength. As the market remains on a clear positive trend, we aim to selectively fix a percentage of all of our available days at attractive rates, securing high cash flows and returns on invested capital.
Stamatis Tsantanis: In what was an extremely volatile year for the Capesize market, we are very pleased with our balanced commercial strategy, combining index-linked exposure with selective forward fixtures, and that has allowed us to participate in market upside while securing cash flows, visibility, and reducing volatility. Looking forward for Q1 2026, we expect our time charter equivalent to be about $25,300 per day based on the FFA curve for the remaining days of February and March. We are closely tracking Capesize index during the period of counter seasonal strength. As the market remains on a clear positive trend, we aim to selectively fix a percentage of all of our available days at attractive rates, securing high cash flows and returns on invested capital.
Speaker #2: Combining index linked exposure with selective forward fixtures , and that has allowed us to participate in market upside while securing cash flows , visibility and reducing volatility Looking forward for the first quarter of 2026 , we expect our time charter equivalent to be about $25,300 per day based on the FFA curve for the remaining days of February and March .
Speaker #2: We are closely tracking the Capesize Index during the period of counter-seasonal strength. As the market remains on a clear positive trend, we aim to selectively fix a percentage of all of our available days at attractive rates, securing high cash flows and earning on invested capital for the period from Q2 until Q4 of 2026.
Stamatis Tsantanis: For the period from Q2 until Q4 of 2026, we have fixed approximately 32 of our available fleet days at an average gross rate of $27,300, subject, of course, to further increase as a result of the profit-sharing scheme for two of our vessels. $27,300. Looking further ahead, the upcoming delivery of our new buildings will further improve the commercial profile of Seanergy, and we are currently considering our options with regards to their employment. Slide six. Since our previous quarterly update, we have taken decisive steps towards fleet renewal and placed orders for two additional new buildings at first-class shipyards based in China. For now, we have two sister Capesize new buildings for mid-2027 and one Newcastlemax for Q2 2028.
Stamatis Tsantanis: For the period from Q2 until Q4 of 2026, we have fixed approximately 32 of our available fleet days at an average gross rate of $27,300, subject, of course, to further increase as a result of the profit-sharing scheme for two of our vessels. $27,300. Looking further ahead, the upcoming delivery of our new buildings will further improve the commercial profile of Seanergy, and we are currently considering our options with regards to their employment. Slide six. Since our previous quarterly update, we have taken decisive steps towards fleet renewal and placed orders for two additional new buildings at first-class shipyards based in China. For now, we have two sister Capesize new buildings for mid-2027 and one Newcastlemax for Q2 2028.
Speaker #2: We have fixed approximately 32 of our available fleet days at an average growth rate of $27,300 , subject , of course , to further increase as a result of the profit sharing scheme for two of our vessels , 27 300 .
Speaker #2: Looking further ahead, the upcoming delivery of new buildings will further improve the commercial profile of Seanergy, and we are currently considering our options with regards to their employment. Slide six.
Speaker #2: Since our previous quarterly update , we have taken decisive steps towards fleet renewal and placed orders for two additional new buildings . At First Class shipyards based in China .
Speaker #2: For now , we have two sister Capesize new buildings for mid 2027 and one Newcastle Max for Q2 2028 . The combined contract cost stands at approximately $226 million , which we believe represents a very , very competitive value .
Stamatis Tsantanis: The combined contract cost stands at approximately $226 million, which we believe represents a very, very competitive value, given the prompt deliveries and the quality of the yards. Our three new building vessels have already attracted strong interest from both existing and prospective charterers. However, given the continued strengthening of the market, we remain flexible and have not yet committed to any long-term employment agreements. Their superior fuel and environmental performance enhance their attractiveness to major dry bulk charterers and position them very well as regulatory requirements will come to tighten the market. On that note, I would like to turn the call over to Stavros for an overview of our financial performance, as well as our financing developments with regards to our existing and new building vessels. Stavros, please go ahead.
Stamatis Tsantanis: The combined contract cost stands at approximately $226 million, which we believe represents a very, very competitive value, given the prompt deliveries and the quality of the yards. Our three new building vessels have already attracted strong interest from both existing and prospective charterers. However, given the continued strengthening of the market, we remain flexible and have not yet committed to any long-term employment agreements.
Speaker #2: Given the prompt deliveries and the quality of the yards, our three new building vessels have already attracted strong interest from both existing and prospective charters.
Speaker #2: However, given the continued strengthening of the market, we remain flexible and have not yet committed to any long-term employment agreements.
Speaker #2: The superior fuel and environmental performance enhance their attractiveness to major dry bulk charterers and position them very well as regulatory requirements will come to tighten the market.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Their superior fuel and environmental performance enhance their attractiveness to major dry bulk charterers and position them very well as regulatory requirements will come to tighten the market. On that note, I would like to turn the call over to Stavros for an overview of our financial performance, as well as our financing developments with regards to our existing and new building vessels. Stavros, please go ahead.
Speaker #2: On that note, I would like to turn the call over to Stavros for an overview of our financial performance, as well as our financing developments with regards to our existing and newbuilding vessels.
Speaker #2: Stavros , please go ahead . Thank you . And good morning to everyone joining us . Let's begin with slide seven , where we will review the key highlights of our financial performance before turning to the numbers , I would like to emphasize the continued strength and resilience of our platform as 2025 marks our fifth consecutive year of profitability .
Stavros Gyftakis: Thank you, Stamatis, and good morning to everyone joining us. Let's begin with slide seven, where we will review the key highlights of our financial performance. Before turning to the numbers, I would like to emphasize the continued strength and resilience of our platform as 2025 marks our fifth consecutive year of profitability. For the Q4 2025, the strong Capesize market supported robust financial results. Net revenue for the quarter totaled $49.4 million, while adjusted EBITDA and net income reached $28.9 million and $12.5 million, respectively, reflecting the strength of the second half of the year. For the full year, net revenue amounted to $158.1 million, adjusted EBITDA reached $81.7 million, and net income was $21.2 million, translating into earnings per share of $1.02.
Stavros Gyftakis: Thank you, Stamatis, and good morning to everyone joining us. Let's begin with slide seven, where we will review the key highlights of our financial performance. Before turning to the numbers, I would like to emphasize the continued strength and resilience of our platform as 2025 marks our fifth consecutive year of profitability. For the Q4 2025, the strong Capesize market supported robust financial results. Net revenue for the quarter totaled $49.4 million, while adjusted EBITDA and net income reached $28.9 million and $12.5 million, respectively, reflecting the strength of the second half of the year. For the full year, net revenue amounted to $158.1 million, adjusted EBITDA reached $81.7 million, and net income was $21.2 million, translating into earnings per share of $1.02.
Speaker #2: For the fourth quarter of 2025 , the strong Capesize market supported robust financial results . Net revenue for the quarter totaled 49.4 million , while adjusted EBITDA and net income reached 28.9 million and 12.5 million , respectively , reflecting the strength of the second half of the year .
Speaker #2: For the full year , net revenue amounted to 158.1 million , adjusted EBITDA reached 81.7 million , and net income was 21.2 million , translating into earnings per share of $1.02 .
Speaker #2: This results . Underscore the effectiveness of our chartering strategy and risk management framework . Turning to the balance sheet , we maintained a strong liquidity position with 62.7 million in cash and cash equivalents , or approximately 3.1 million per vessel .
Stavros Gyftakis: These results underscore the effectiveness of our chartering strategy and risk management framework. Turning to the balance sheet, we maintained a strong liquidity position with $62.7 million in cash and cash equivalents, or approximately $3.1 million per vessel. This liquidity provides operational resilience and supports the execution of our fleet modernization strategy. Now, regarding our new building program, the investment plan has been carefully structured with a larger schedule to ensure alignment with our shareholder reward strategy and financial flexibility. Approximately $80 million is expected to be deployed this year, $100 million in 2027, and $50 million in 2028. Financing for two of these vessels has been secured on attractive terms, while we are in active discussions for the third. Our debt-to-capital ratio remained well below 50%.
Stavros Gyftakis: These results underscore the effectiveness of our chartering strategy and risk management framework. Turning to the balance sheet, we maintained a strong liquidity position with $62.7 million in cash and cash equivalents, or approximately $3.1 million per vessel. This liquidity provides operational resilience and supports the execution of our fleet modernization strategy.
Speaker #2: This liquidity provides operational resilience and supports the execution of our fleet modernization strategy . Now , regarding our new building program , the investment plan has been carefully structured with the larger schedule to ensure alignment with our shareholder reward strategy and financial flexibility Approximately 80 million is expected to be deployed this year .
Stavros Gyftakis: Now, regarding our new building program, the investment plan has been carefully structured with a larger schedule to ensure alignment with our shareholder reward strategy and financial flexibility. Approximately $80 million is expected to be deployed this year, $100 million in 2027, and $50 million in 2028. Financing for two of these vessels has been secured on attractive terms, while we are in active discussions for the third. Our debt-to-capital ratio remained well below 50%.
Speaker #2: $100 million in 2027 and $50 million in 2028. Financing for two of these vessels has been secured on attractive terms. While we are in active discussions for the third, our debt-to-capital ratio remained well below 50%.
Speaker #2: This conservative leverage profile , combined with strong cash generation , provides flexibility as we enter 2026 and supports the funding of our new building program Overall , 2025 was characterized by consistent profitability , disciplined balance sheet management , and solid cash generation , positioning us well to continue delivering value to our shareholders .
Stavros Gyftakis: This conservative leverage profile, combined with strong cash generation, provides flexibility as we enter 2026 and supports the funding of our new building program. Overall, 2025 was characterized by consistent profitability, disciplined balance sheet management, and solid cash generation, positioning us well to continue delivering value to our shareholders moving forward. Moving on to slide 8. For the full year, our TCE averaged 20,937 per day, closely aligned with the annual BCI average. This reflects the effectiveness of our chartering strategy, which balances index exposure with selective forward fixtures to manage volatility while preserving upside. Adjusted EBITDA reached $81.7 million for the year, significantly above our five-year average. The strong performance in the second half demonstrates the operating leverage inherent in our fleet.
Stavros Gyftakis: This conservative leverage profile, combined with strong cash generation, provides flexibility as we enter 2026 and supports the funding of our new building program. Overall, 2025 was characterized by consistent profitability, disciplined balance sheet management, and solid cash generation, positioning us well to continue delivering value to our shareholders moving forward.
Speaker #2: Moving forward . Moving on to slide eight . For the full year , our TCE averaged 20,937 per day , closely aligned with the annual BCI average This reflects the effectiveness of our chartering strategy , which balances index exposure with selective forward features to manage volatility .
Stavros Gyftakis: Moving on to slide 8. For the full year, our TCE averaged 20,937 per day, closely aligned with the annual BCI average. This reflects the effectiveness of our chartering strategy, which balances index exposure with selective forward fixtures to manage volatility while preserving upside. Adjusted EBITDA reached $81.7 million for the year, significantly above our five-year average. The strong performance in the second half demonstrates the operating leverage inherent in our fleet.
Speaker #2: While preserving upside . Adjusted EBITDA reached 81.7 million for the year , significantly above our five year average . The strong performance in the second half demonstrates the operating leverage inherent in our fleet .
Speaker #2: Our EBITDA margin of approximately 25% , operating cash flow margin of roughly 33% highlights the quality and resilience of our earnings , even amid a full freight market , we generated meaningful and recurring cash flows supporting both shareholder returns and fleet modernization .
Stavros Gyftakis: Our EBITDA margin of approximately 50%, operating cash flow margin of roughly 33%, highlight the quality and resilience of our earnings. Even amid a volatile freight market, we generated meaningful and recurring cash flows, supporting both shareholder returns and fleet modernization. Daily operating expenses per vessel averaged approximately $7,100, only modestly higher year-over-year despite the inflationary pressures and the aging profile of our fleet. Moving on to slide 9, let's look at our leverage profile and overall debt position. We closed the year with approximately $294 million of total debt, gross of deferred finance fees. Fleet Loan-to-Value declined to about 43%, with net LTV at 34%, supported by refinancing activity and resilient vessel valuations. This places us in a comfortable position relatively to both historical levels and industry benchmarks.
Stavros Gyftakis: Our EBITDA margin of approximately 50%, operating cash flow margin of roughly 33%, highlight the quality and resilience of our earnings. Even amid a volatile freight market, we generated meaningful and recurring cash flows, supporting both shareholder returns and fleet modernization. Daily operating expenses per vessel averaged approximately $7,100, only modestly higher year-over-year despite the inflationary pressures and the aging profile of our fleet.
Speaker #2: Daily operating expenses per vessel averaged approximately $7,100, only modestly higher year over year, despite the inflationary pressures and the aging profile of our fleet. Moving on to slide nine.
Stavros Gyftakis: Moving on to slide 9, let's look at our leverage profile and overall debt position. We closed the year with approximately $294 million of total debt, gross of deferred finance fees. Fleet Loan-to-Value declined to about 43%, with net LTV at 34%, supported by refinancing activity and resilient vessel valuations. This places us in a comfortable position relatively to both historical levels and industry benchmarks.
Speaker #2: Let's look at our leverage profile and overall debt position . We closed the year with approximately 294 million of total debt growth of deferred financing fees , fleet loan to value declined to about 43% , with net LTV at 34% .
Speaker #2: Supported by financing activity and resilient vessel valuations, this places us in a comfortable position, relative to both historical levels and industry benchmarks. That vessel stands at about $14.7 million versus an average market value of $34.1 million, reflecting substantial embedded equity.
Stavros Gyftakis: Debt per vessel stands at about $14.7 million versus an average market value of $34.1 million, reflecting substantial embedded equity. Additionally, approximately 70% of our total debt is covered by scrap value, offering meaningful downside protection. Daily cash interest expense per vessel decreased to approximately $2,570 per day, representing a 6% year-over-year improvement and enhancing our cash flow profile entering 2026. Before moving on, let me briefly touch on our recent refinancing activities. Over the past month, we executed several refinancings that strengthened liquidity, lowered margins, and extended our maturity profile. At the same time, we secured competitive funding for two of our new building vessels, locking in attractive pricing well ahead of delivery. These facilities were structured with prudent amortization, leaving limited covenant restrictions and enhanced flexibility, including purchase and prepayment options.
Stavros Gyftakis: Debt per vessel stands at about $14.7 million versus an average market value of $34.1 million, reflecting substantial embedded equity. Additionally, approximately 70% of our total debt is covered by scrap value, offering meaningful downside protection. Daily cash interest expense per vessel decreased to approximately $2,570 per day, representing a 6% year-over-year improvement and enhancing our cash flow profile entering 2026.
Speaker #2: Additionally , approximately 70% of our total debt is covered by scrap value offering meaningful downside protection , telecast interest expense per vessel decreased to approximately $2,570 per day , representing a 6% year over year improvement and enhancing our cash flow profile .
Speaker #2: Entering 2026 . Before moving on , let me briefly touch on our recent refinancing activity . Over the past month , we executed several refinancings that strengthened liquidity , lowered margins and extended our maturity profile .
Stavros Gyftakis: Before moving on, let me briefly touch on our recent refinancing activities. Over the past month, we executed several refinancings that strengthened liquidity, lowered margins, and extended our maturity profile. At the same time, we secured competitive funding for two of our new building vessels, locking in attractive pricing well ahead of delivery. These facilities were structured with prudent amortization, leaving limited covenant restrictions and enhanced flexibility, including purchase and prepayment options.
Speaker #2: At the same time, we secured competitive funding for two of our newbuilding vessels, locking in attractive pricing well ahead of delivery.
Speaker #2: These facilities were structured with prudent amortization, leaving limited covenant restrictions and enhanced flexibility, including purchase and repayment options. Overall, our actions reinforce balanced resilience and provide the financial flexibility needed to support fleet renewal while maintaining disciplined leverage.
Stavros Gyftakis: Overall, our actions reinforce balance and resilience and provide the financial flexibility needed to support fleet renewal while maintaining disciplined leverage. Specific details of these financings are outlined in our earnings release. With a strengthened balance sheet and enhanced financial flexibility in place, let us now turn to slide 10 to illustrate the operating leverage embedded in our platform and the sensitivity of our earnings to movements in the Capesize market. At current FFA levels, we estimate full-year EBITDA of approximately $122 million. At 2025 average BCI levels, EBITDA would approximate $95 million, providing a reference point based on current market assumptions. At rates above 30,000, EBITDA would increase materially, reflecting the operating leverage embedded in our platform. That concludes my review of our financial results and updates.
Stavros Gyftakis: Overall, our actions reinforce balance and resilience and provide the financial flexibility needed to support fleet renewal while maintaining disciplined leverage. Specific details of these financings are outlined in our earnings release. With a strengthened balance sheet and enhanced financial flexibility in place, let us now turn to slide 10 to illustrate the operating leverage embedded in our platform and the sensitivity of our earnings to movements in the Capesize market.
Speaker #2: Specific details of this financing are outlined in our earnings release. With a strengthened balance sheet and enhanced financial flexibility in place. And let us now turn to slide ten to illustrate the operating leverage embedded in our platform.
Speaker #2: And the sensitivity of our earnings to movements in the Capesize market . At current FFA levels , we estimate full year EBITDA of approximately 122 million , at 2025 .
Stavros Gyftakis: At current FFA levels, we estimate full-year EBITDA of approximately $122 million. At 2025 average BCI levels, EBITDA would approximate $95 million, providing a reference point based on current market assumptions. At rates above 30,000, EBITDA would increase materially, reflecting the operating leverage embedded in our platform. That concludes my review of our financial results and updates. I will now turn the call back to Stamatis, who will provide insights into the Capesize market and his concluding remarks. Stamatis?
Speaker #2: Average BCI levels . EBITDA would approximate 95 million , providing a reference point based on current market assumptions at rates above 30,000 . EBITDA would increase materially , reflecting the operating leverage embedded in our platform .
Speaker #2: That concludes my review of our financial results and updates . I will now turn the call back to Stamatis , who will provide insights into the market and his concluding remarks Stamatis .
Stavros Gyftakis: I will now turn the call back to Stamatis, who will provide insights into the Capesize market and his concluding remarks. Stamatis?
Speaker #3: Thank you , Stavros Slide 11 . 2025 was another strong year for the Capesize market , despite the initial volatility , the Baltic Capesize index averaged approximately $21,300 per day the year began on a softer note during the first half before iron ore and coal restocking activity in China supported the strong recovery in the second half of the year .
Stamatis Tsantanis: Thank you, Stavros. Slide 11. 2025 was another strong year for the Capesize market, despite the initial volatility. The Baltic Capesize Index averaged approximately $21,300 per day. The year began on a softer note during the first half, before iron ore and coal restocking activity in China supported a strong recovery in the second half of the year. Record iron ore exports from Brazil and record bauxite exports from Guinea provided a meaningful tailwind to Capesize ton-mile demand, reinforcing the constructive long-term demand outlook for the segment. In addition, market sentiment and broader dry bulk fundamentals were further supported by strength in the Panamax market, driven by increased grain exports from Brazil and the United States, as well as additional coal restocking towards the year-end.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Thank you, Stavros. Slide 11. 2025 was another strong year for the Capesize market, despite the initial volatility. The Baltic Capesize Index averaged approximately $21,300 per day. The year began on a softer note during the first half, before iron ore and coal restocking activity in China supported a strong recovery in the second half of the year.
Speaker #3: Record iron ore exports from Brazil and a bauxite exports from Guinea provided a meaningful tailwind to Cape Town . Demand , reinforcing the constructive long term demand outlook for the segment .
Stamatis Tsantanis: Record iron ore exports from Brazil and record bauxite exports from Guinea provided a meaningful tailwind to Capesize ton-mile demand, reinforcing the constructive long-term demand outlook for the segment. In addition, market sentiment and broader dry bulk fundamentals were further supported by strength in the Panamax market, driven by increased grain exports from Brazil and the United States, as well as additional coal restocking towards the year-end.
Speaker #3: In addition, market sentiment and broader trade fundamentals were further supported by strength in the Panamax market, driven by increased grain exports from Brazil and the United States, as well as additional coal stocking.
Speaker #3: Towards the year end Moving to 2026 , in regards of capesize demand , we have started very strongly with the BCI averaging 22,000 over the first weeks of the year , marking one of the strongest first quarters of the past decades .
Stamatis Tsantanis: Moving to 2026, in regard to Capesize demand, we have started very strongly with the BCI averaging 22,000 over the first weeks of the year, marking one of the strongest Q1s of the past decades. Guinea bauxite exports have grown by 14% year-over-year, while dry weather in Brazil and Australia has resulted in high iron ore cargo activity during a traditionally weak seasonal period. For the rest of 2026, the demand outlook remains constructive, with bauxite trade expected to continue its growth path, and iron ore miners' production and sales outlook pointing to resilient trade volumes. This trend looks set to continue into 2027, with the Simandou mining project in West Africa ramping up its output. China's demand for high-grade iron ore remains healthy, supporting demand for imported iron ore versus lower quality, domestically produced one. Moving on to Capesize supply.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Moving to 2026, in regard to Capesize demand, we have started very strongly with the BCI averaging 22,000 over the first weeks of the year, marking one of the strongest Q1s of the past decades. Guinea bauxite exports have grown by 14% year-over-year, while dry weather in Brazil and Australia has resulted in high iron ore cargo activity during a traditionally weak seasonal period. For the rest of 2026, the demand outlook remains constructive, with bauxite trade expected to continue its growth path, and iron ore miners' production and sales outlook pointing to resilient trade volumes.
Speaker #3: Guinea bauxite exports have grown by 14% year over year, while dry weather in Brazil and Australia has resulted in high iron ore cargo activity.
Speaker #3: During a traditionally weak seasonal period for the rest of 2026, the demand outlook remains constructive, with bauxite trade expected to continue its growth path.
Speaker #3: And iron ore miners' production and sales outlook is pointing to resilient trade volumes. This trend looks set to continue into 2027, with the Simandou mining project in West Africa ramping up its output.
Stamatis Tsantanis: This trend looks set to continue into 2027, with the Simandou mining project in West Africa ramping up its output. China's demand for high-grade iron ore remains healthy, supporting demand for imported iron ore versus lower quality, domestically produced one. Moving on to Capesize supply.
Speaker #3: China's demand for high grade iron ore remains healthy , supporting demand for imported iron ore versus lower quality domestically produced one . Moving on to Capesize supply , the supply picture for the larger Bulkers , especially Cape sizes , points to further tightness and limited vessel availability for the next two years .
Stamatis Tsantanis: The supply picture for the larger bulkers, especially Capesizes, points to further tightness and limited vessel availability for the next two years... The order book currently represents 12% of the fleet, compared to about 9% of the fleet being 20 years or older. Moreover, what is significantly important is that right now, 40% of all the larger bulkers, Capesizes, Newcastlemaxes, and VLCCs, 40% exceeds 15 years of average age. So we are talking about an excessively aging fleet. At the current pace of vessel ordering, and given the limited capacity of shipyards to deliver new buildings, it becomes clear that the supply tightness is likely to continue over the next many years. As regards our near-term forecasts, 2026 and 2027 are also likely to be affected by the extensive dry docking of the current ships that usually entails considerable downtime.
Stamatis Tsantanis: The supply picture for the larger bulkers, especially Capesizes, points to further tightness and limited vessel availability for the next two years... The order book currently represents 12% of the fleet, compared to about 9% of the fleet being 20 years or older. Moreover, what is significantly important is that right now, 40% of all the larger bulkers, Capesizes, Newcastlemaxes, and VLCCs, 40% exceeds 15 years of average age.
Speaker #3: The order book currently represents 12% of the fleet , compared to about 9% of the fleet being 20 years or older . Moreover , what is significantly important is that right now , 40% of all the larger Bulkers Capesize , Newcastle , Max and losses 40% exceeds 15 years of average age .
Stamatis Tsantanis: So we are talking about an excessively aging fleet. At the current pace of vessel ordering, and given the limited capacity of shipyards to deliver new buildings, it becomes clear that the supply tightness is likely to continue over the next many years. As regards our near-term forecasts, 2026 and 2027 are also likely to be affected by the extensive dry docking of the current ships that usually entails considerable downtime.
Speaker #3: So, we are talking about an excessively aging fleet at the current pace of vessel ordering, and given the limited capacity of shipyards to deliver new buildings, it becomes clear that the supply tightness is likely to continue over the next many years.
Speaker #3: As regards our near-term forecasts, 2026 and 2027 are also likely to be affected by the extensive dry docking of the current ships that usually entails considerable downtime, with more than 20% of the world Capesize fleet built in 2011–2012.
Stamatis Tsantanis: With more than 20% of the world Capesize fleet built 2011, 2012, a significant portion of vessels will undergo their 15-year special survey in 2026, 2027, temporarily reducing the effective supply, plus of course, a significant cost. This is expected to result in a fleet capacity reduction of more than 1.5% both years, while some estimates calling for a 2 to 2.5% reduction. This should not be underestimated as it would counteract the 2.2% expected fleet growth due to new building deliveries and could continue to contribute to periods of significant market tightness during the next two years.
Stamatis Tsantanis: With more than 20% of the world Capesize fleet built 2011, 2012, a significant portion of vessels will undergo their 15-year special survey in 2026, 2027, temporarily reducing the effective supply, plus of course, a significant cost. This is expected to result in a fleet capacity reduction of more than 1.5% both years, while some estimates calling for a 2 to 2.5% reduction. This should not be underestimated as it would counteract the 2.2% expected fleet growth due to new building deliveries and could continue to contribute to periods of significant market tightness during the next two years.
Speaker #3: A significant portion of vessels will undergo their 15 year survey in 2026 , 2027 , temporarily reducing the effective supply . Plus , of course , a significant cost .
Speaker #3: This is expected to result in a fleet capacity reduction of more than 1.5% in both years . While some estimates calling for a 2 to 2.5% reduction , this should not be underestimated as it would counteract the 2.2% expected fleet growth due to new building deliveries , and could continue to contribute to periods of significant market tightness during the next two years to summarize , as we have seen in the past , the Capesize market will always be subject to considerable volatility stemming from multiple unpredicted factors , but the limited vessel supply that is shaping up over the next few years , along with increased tone , mild demand should result in positive trend for charter rates .
Stamatis Tsantanis: To summarize, as we have seen in the past, the Capesize market will always be subject to considerable volatility stemming from multiple unpredicted factors, but the limited vessel supply that is shaping up over the next few years, along with increased ton mile demand, should result in positive trend for charter rates. We're pleased to see this positive trend unfold over the past two to three years, and we are confident in our view of a strong market in the following years. As I mentioned before, Seanergy is optimally positioned to deliver our stated priorities of capital returns and fleet growth while maintaining a sustainable balance sheet throughout the cycle. In our view, we're very well-placed to deliver strong financial performance over the next few years, and we are therefore excited about our prospects.
Stamatis Tsantanis: To summarize, as we have seen in the past, the Capesize market will always be subject to considerable volatility stemming from multiple unpredicted factors, but the limited vessel supply that is shaping up over the next few years, along with increased ton mile demand, should result in positive trend for charter rates.
Speaker #3: We are pleased to see this positive trend unfold over the past two to three years and were confident in our view of a strong market in the following years.
Stamatis Tsantanis: We're pleased to see this positive trend unfold over the past two to three years, and we are confident in our view of a strong market in the following years. As I mentioned before, Seanergy is optimally positioned to deliver our stated priorities of capital returns and fleet growth while maintaining a sustainable balance sheet throughout the cycle. In our view, we're very well-placed to deliver strong financial performance over the next few years, and we are therefore excited about our prospects. On this note, I would like to turn the call over to the operator and answer any questions you may have. Operator, please take the call. Thank you.
Speaker #3: As I mentioned before, Seanergy is optimally positioned to deliver our stated priorities of capital, returns, and fleet growth, while maintaining a sustainable balance sheet throughout the cycle.
Speaker #3: In our view, we're very well placed to deliver strong financial performance over the next few years, and we are therefore excited about our prospects.
Speaker #3: On this note, I would like to turn the call over to the operator and answer any questions you may have. Operator, please take the call.
Stamatis Tsantanis: On this note, I would like to turn the call over to the operator and answer any questions you may have. Operator, please take the call. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you
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Speaker #4: Thank you. Good afternoon. Good afternoon, Stavros.
Liam Burke: Thank you. Good afternoon, Stamatis. Good afternoon, Stavros.
Liam Burke: Thank you. Good afternoon, Stamatis. Good afternoon, Stavros.
Speaker #3: Hello , Liam . Good morning
Stamatis Tsantanis: Hello, Liam. Good morning.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Hello, Liam. Good morning.
Liam Burke: Stamatis, you've been very nimble in terms of managing your fleet and, and maximizing the rate environment. I mean, a year ago, you were outdistancing the BCI, even when rates are low. But are you seeing anything in the market where it's more prudent to add longer-term time charters versus moving more of the fleet into the spot market?
Speaker #4: Stamatis . You've been very nimble in terms of managing your fleet and maximizing the rate environment . I mean , a year ago , you were out discussing the BCI .
Liam Burke: Stamatis, you've been very nimble in terms of managing your fleet and, and maximizing the rate environment. I mean, a year ago, you were outdistancing the BCI, even when rates are low. But are you seeing anything in the market where it's more prudent to add longer-term time charters versus moving more of the fleet into the spot market?
Speaker #4: Even when rates are low, are you seeing anything in the market where it's more prudent to add longer-term time charters versus moving more of the fleet into the spot market?
Speaker #3: Well , we constantly are . If you see the release , we have about 35% of our days already . Pretty much in some sort of a long term contracts that carry all the way to the end of the year .
Stamatis Tsantanis: Well, we constantly are. If you see the release, we have about 35% of our days already pretty much in some sort of a long-term contracts that carry all the way to the end of the year. As you know, we are progressing after the Chinese New Year, that we expect to see more strengthening in the market, we will continue switching more and more ships from floating to fixed. So already we have 35% at around $27,000, and you know, as the year will be progressing, we will do some more.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Well, we constantly are. If you see the release, we have about 35% of our days already pretty much in some sort of a long-term contracts that carry all the way to the end of the year. As you know, we are progressing after the Chinese New Year, that we expect to see more strengthening in the market, we will continue switching more and more ships from floating to fixed. So already we have 35% at around $27,000, and you know, as the year will be progressing, we will do some more.
Speaker #3: As you know, we are progressing after the Chinese New Year, and we expect to see more strengthening in the market. We will continue switching more and more ships from floating to fixed. So already we have 35% at around $27,000.
Speaker #3: And you know, as the year will be progressing, we will do some work.
Speaker #4: Okay . You have got a well , how are you balancing going forward . Inflated asset values . Some of your older vessels versus what looks to be a fairly attractive rate environment for the next 2 to 3 years ?
Liam Burke: Okay. You have gotten... Well, how are you balancing going forward the inflated asset values, some of your older vessels, versus what looks to be a fairly attractive rate environment for the next 2 to 3 years?
Liam Burke: Okay. You have gotten... Well, how are you balancing going forward the inflated asset values, some of your older vessels, versus what looks to be a fairly attractive rate environment for the next 2 to 3 years?
Speaker #3: Well, that's exactly what we're doing right now. I mean, we were able to secure very prompt delivery slots for new buildings.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Well, that's exactly what we're doing right now. I mean, we were, we're able to secure very prompt delivery slots for new buildings. First of all, let me, let me step back a little bit. The five-year-old ships, as you know, have been very much inflated. So, for five-year-old ships, it's kind of a, a no-go for acquisitions. So it's pretty much identical to new buildings or a bit lower than that. So we decided to seek new buildings at high-quality shipyards, but then the question was whether we're gonna have debt capital, you know, in these orders or not.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Well, that's exactly what we're doing right now. I mean, we were, we're able to secure very prompt delivery slots for new buildings. First of all, let me, let me step back a little bit. The five-year-old ships, as you know, have been very much inflated. So, for five-year-old ships, it's kind of a, a no-go for acquisitions. So it's pretty much identical to new buildings or a bit lower than that. So we decided to seek new buildings at high-quality shipyards, but then the question was whether we're gonna have debt capital, you know, in these orders or not.
Speaker #3: First of all , let me let me step back a little bit . The five year old ships , as you know , have been very much inflated .
Speaker #3: So for five year old ships , it's kind of a no go for acquisitions . So it's pretty much identical to new buildings or a bit lower than that .
Speaker #3: So we decided to seek new buildings at high quality shipyards . But then the question was whether we're going to have debt capital , you know , in these orders or not And then due to our connections and excellent relationships , we're able to secure very prompt for the capesize market delivery slots .
Stamatis Tsantanis: And then due to our connections and excellent relationships, we were able to secure very prompt delivery slots for the Capesize market, and we went ahead, and we placed a couple of ships, actually three ships, two ships for 2027 and one for 2028. So that's how we manage. So once we identify prompt slots for new buildings, we will likely continue doing a few more, while at the same time we might be disposing some of our older assets, the way that we did it right now with the Duke ship from Seanergy to United or some other more, let's say, interesting ideas, but that's how much we're gonna do it.
Stamatis Tsantanis: And then due to our connections and excellent relationships, we were able to secure very prompt delivery slots for the Capesize market, and we went ahead, and we placed a couple of ships, actually three ships, two ships for 2027 and one for 2028. So that's how we manage. So once we identify prompt slots for new buildings, we will likely continue doing a few more, while at the same time we might be disposing some of our older assets, the way that we did it right now with the Duke ship from Seanergy to United or some other more, let's say, interesting ideas, but that's how much we're gonna do it. So if we were able to add three ships and dispose of a couple, or even add a few more, that's how we're gonna do it.
Speaker #3: And we went ahead and we placed a couple of ships, actually three ships—for two ships for 2027 and one for 2028.
Speaker #3: So that's how we manage. So once we identify prompt slots for new buildings, we will likely continue doing a few more, while at the same time we might be disposing some of our older assets.
Speaker #3: The way that we did it . Right now with the Duke ship , from synergy to United or some other more , let's say interesting ideas .
Speaker #3: But that's how much we're going to do it. So, if we were able to add three ships and dispose of a couple, or even add a few more, that's how we're going to do it.
Stamatis Tsantanis: So if we were able to add three ships and dispose of a couple, or even add a few more, that's how we're gonna do it.
Speaker #4: Great, thank you. Appreciate it.
Tate Sullivan, CFA: Great. Thank you, Stamatis. Appreciate it.
Liam Burke: Great. Thank you, Stamatis. Appreciate it.
Speaker #3: Very welcome . Liane .
Stamatis Tsantanis: Very welcome, Neil.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Very welcome, Neil.
Speaker #1: We are now going to proceed with our next question, and the question comes from the line of Mark Reichman from Noble Capital Markets.
Operator: We are now going to proceed with our next question. The question comes from the line of Mark Reichman from Noble Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
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Speaker #5: Thank you . And good morning . Maybe slide six would be the slide to look at . But just following up on the last question , you know how it is a favorable financing environment .
Mark Reichman: Thank you, and good morning. Maybe slide six would be the slide to look at, but just following up on the last question, you know, how it is a favorable financing environment, you're able to get these sustainability-linked loans, but when you think about, you know, these the high asset values of the existing fleet versus the new builds, what are your expectations in terms of your weighted average cost of capital and your return on invested capital on maybe some of these new builds? And would you expect the difference to widen or, you know, kind of how are you thinking about that and managing that into your decisions?
Mark Reichman: Thank you, and good morning. Maybe slide six would be the slide to look at, but just following up on the last question, you know, how it is a favorable financing environment, you're able to get these sustainability-linked loans, but when you think about, you know, these the high asset values of the existing fleet versus the new builds, what are your expectations in terms of your weighted average cost of capital and your return on invested capital on maybe some of these new builds? And would you expect the difference to widen or, you know, kind of how are you thinking about that and managing that into your decisions?
Speaker #5: You're able to get these sustainable-linked loans. But when you think about, you know, the high asset values of the existing fleet versus the new builds...
Speaker #5: What are your expectations in terms of your weighted average cost of capital and your return on invested capital on maybe some of these new builds?
Speaker #5: And would you expect the the , the difference to to widen or kind of how are you thinking about that . And managing managing that into your decisions ?
Speaker #3: Well, that's an excellent question, and thank you. The answer is yes. We are seeing inflation and inflated prices all across the shipping.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Well, that's an excellent question, and thank you. The answer is yes, we are seeing inflation and inflated prices all across the shipping new building assets. So it's not only a Capesize or a Newcastlemax situation. We are seeing that all over the place. You see that on tankers, containers, LNGs, and of course on other dry bulk, smaller dry bulk ships. At the end of the day, however, the amount of money you spend for the CapEx is basically what you expect to make in return, like you very well asked. Thanks to the very to the excellent efforts from our finance department, we're able to secure financing terms that will keep the all-in cash breakeven of these new acquisitions at around $20,000 a day.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Well, that's an excellent question, and thank you. The answer is yes, we are seeing inflation and inflated prices all across the shipping new building assets. So it's not only a Capesize or a Newcastlemax situation. We are seeing that all over the place. You see that on tankers, containers, LNGs, and of course on other dry bulk, smaller dry bulk ships. At the end of the day, however, the amount of money you spend for the CapEx is basically what you expect to make in return, like you very well asked. Thanks to the very to the excellent efforts from our finance department, we're able to secure financing terms that will keep the all-in cash breakeven of these new acquisitions at around $20,000 a day.
Speaker #3: New building assets. So it's not only a Capesize or a Newcastlemax situation. We are seeing that all over the place.
Speaker #3: You see that on tankers , containers , lngs and of course on other drybulk smaller drybulk ships at the end of the day , however , the amount of money you spend for the CapEx is basically what you expect to make in return .
Speaker #3: Like you very well asked . Thanks to the very to the excellent efforts from our finance department , we're able to secure financing terms that will keep the all in cash break even of these new acquisitions at around $20,000 a day .
Speaker #3: So the forward rate now stands anywhere between, let's say, $26,000 and $30,000 for a standard cape. If you count in the premium of these modern ships, that exceeds $30,000 a day.
Stamatis Tsantanis: So the forward rate now stands anywhere between, let's say, 26,000 and 30,000 for a standard Cape. If you count in the premium of these modern ships, that exceeds $30,000 a day. So, you know, if we're able to secure anywhere between 8 and 12, 13 thousand dollars a day on a net cash flow basis, and you do the math, you can automatically see that the return on equity on these assets is quite significant. That's how we approach.
Stamatis Tsantanis: So the forward rate now stands anywhere between, let's say, 26,000 and 30,000 for a standard Cape. If you count in the premium of these modern ships, that exceeds $30,000 a day. So, you know, if we're able to secure anywhere between 8 and 12, 13 thousand dollars a day on a net cash flow basis, and you do the math, you can automatically see that the return on equity on these assets is quite significant. That's how we approach.
Speaker #3: So , you know , if we're able to secure anywhere between eight and 12 , $13,000 a day on a net cash flow basis , and you do the math , you can automatically see that the return on equity on these assets is quite significant .
Speaker #3: That's how we approach
Mark Reichman: That's very helpful. And then I kind of always ask this question on the conference calls. What are your expectations in terms of operational off-hire days for 2026?
Speaker #5: That's very helpful. And then, I kind of always ask this question on the conference calls: What are your expectations in terms of operational off-hire days for 2026?
Mark Reichman: That's very helpful. And then I kind of always ask this question on the conference calls. What are your expectations in terms of operational off-hire days for 2026?
Stamatis Tsantanis: I believe it's gonna be consistent with 2025, but maybe a little lower than that. We have a much softer dry dock schedule in 2026 compared to 2025, so I believe it's gonna be a bit lower than 2025.
Speaker #3: I believe it's going to be consistent with 2025, but maybe a little lower than that. We have a much softer drydock schedule in '26 compared to '25.
Stamatis Tsantanis: I believe it's gonna be consistent with 2025, but maybe a little lower than that. We have a much softer dry dock schedule in 2026 compared to 2025, so I believe it's gonna be a bit lower than 2025.
Speaker #3: So, I believe it's going to be a bit lower than 2025.
Speaker #5: Okay . And then just the last question , this is really a client driven question . Could you speak to the the limited shipyard availability I guess the question was really kind of the the low order , the low order book versus the limited shipyard availability , availability seems a little incongruent .
Mark Reichman: Okay, and then just a last question. This is really a client-driven question. Could you speak to the limited shipyard availability? I guess the question was really kind of the low order book versus the limited shipyard availability seems a little incongruent.
Mark Reichman: Okay, and then just a last question. This is really a client-driven question. Could you speak to the limited shipyard availability? I guess the question was really kind of the low order book versus the limited shipyard availability seems a little incongruent.
Speaker #3: Well , again , that's an excellent question . There is no such thing as a limited shipbuilding capacity . I believe that the Global shipbuilding capacity , especially coming from China as well as Korea and Japan , is all times high .
Stamatis Tsantanis: Well, again, that's an excellent question. There is no such thing as a limited shipbuilding capacity. I believe that the global shipbuilding capacity, especially coming from China, as well as Korea and Japan, is all-time high. But the good thing is that it's pretty much covered by other types of ships. We have a tremendous order book on containers, also on the tankers, as well as smaller bulkers and other ships. So the order book for the standard Capesize and the Newcastlemax is quite limited, because it's pretty much covered by all the other asset classes. Also, it's too far down the road. I mean, if you ask for a CPR today, it's likely gonna come back with 2029 or 2030.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Well, again, that's an excellent question. There is no such thing as a limited shipbuilding capacity. I believe that the global shipbuilding capacity, especially coming from China, as well as Korea and Japan, is all-time high. But the good thing is that it's pretty much covered by other types of ships. We have a tremendous order book on containers, also on the tankers, as well as smaller bulkers and other ships. So the order book for the standard Capesize and the Newcastlemax is quite limited, because it's pretty much covered by all the other asset classes. Also, it's too far down the road. I mean, if you ask for a CPR today, it's likely gonna come back with 2029 or 2030.
Speaker #3: But the good thing is that it's pretty much covered by other types of ships. We have a tremendous order book on containers, also on the tankers, as well as smaller bulkers and other ships.
Speaker #3: So the order book for the standard Capesize and the Newcastlemaxes is quite limited because it's pretty much covered by all the other asset classes.
Speaker #3: Also , it's too far down the road . I mean , if you ask for a CPR today , it's likely going to come back with 2029 or 2030 .
Speaker #3: So given the fact that a very big percentage of the current fleet is already quite old , I don't expect to be in a position I don't expect to be in a position to be replaced with modern donuts until well before 20 , 31 , 32 .
Stamatis Tsantanis: So given the fact that a very big percentage of the current fleet is already quite old, I don't expect to be in a position to be replaced with modern tonnages until well before 2031, 2032, just to have a normal churn rate, to put it this way.
Stamatis Tsantanis: So given the fact that a very big percentage of the current fleet is already quite old, I don't expect to be in a position to be replaced with modern tonnages until well before 2031, 2032, just to have a normal churn rate, to put it this way.
Speaker #3: Just to have a normal churn rate, to put it this way.
Speaker #5: Oh, that's great. That's very helpful. Thank you very much.
Mark Reichman: Oh, that's great. That's very helpful. Thank you very much.
Mark Reichman: Oh, that's great. That's very helpful. Thank you very much.
Speaker #3: You're very welcome. Thank you.
Stamatis Tsantanis: You're very welcome. Thank you.
Stamatis Tsantanis: You're very welcome. Thank you.
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Speaker #6: Hi . Thank you . Good day . Great comments and congratulations on the new builds and in light of the new build program , can you comment and remind us on the current dividend policy and how you're looking at evaluating the dividend with the new build expenditures going forward , please , because I think there's a discretionary cash reserve element in the dividend .
Tate Sullivan, CFA: Hi, thank you. Good, good day, and great comments, and, and congratulations on the new builds. In light of the new build program, can you comment and, and remind us on the current dividend policy and how you're looking at evaluating the dividend with, with the new build expenditures going forward, please? Because I think there's a discretionary cash reserve element in the dividend, but wanted, wanted to double-check, please.
Tate Sullivan: Hi, thank you. Good, good day, and great comments, and, and congratulations on the new builds. In light of the new build program, can you comment and, and remind us on the current dividend policy and how you're looking at evaluating the dividend with, with the new build expenditures going forward, please? Because I think there's a discretionary cash reserve element in the dividend, but wanted, wanted to double-check, please.
Speaker #6: But when it—when it's double-checked, please.
Speaker #3: Good morning, Tate. Thank you very much for your question. We do not expect the dividend policy to be affected by the new buildings.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Good morning, Tate. Thank you very much for your question. We do not expect the dividend policy to be affected by the new buildings. The sale of the Duke ship, plus some other planned things that we intend to make, if we are to put additional new buildings, will likely be more than sufficient in order to cover all the cash expenditure. And of course, the efforts of Stavros at the finance department to get the financing in place will-... it's gonna be unlikely to affect our dividend policy. So we will, and we expect to be in a position to start renewing our fleet without affecting the operating cash flow and the dividend that we will continue to pay to our shareholders.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Good morning, Tate. Thank you very much for your question. We do not expect the dividend policy to be affected by the new buildings. The sale of the Duke ship, plus some other planned things that we intend to make, if we are to put additional new buildings, will likely be more than sufficient in order to cover all the cash expenditure. And of course, the efforts of Stavros at the finance department to get the financing in place will-... it's gonna be unlikely to affect our dividend policy. So we will, and we expect to be in a position to start renewing our fleet without affecting the operating cash flow and the dividend that we will continue to pay to our shareholders.
Speaker #3: The sale of the Duke ship, plus some other planned things that we intend to make if we are to put additional new buildings, will likely be more than sufficient in order to cover up all the cash expenditure.
Speaker #3: And, of course, the efforts of Stavros at the Finance Department to get the financing in place will—it's going to be unlikely to affect our dividend policy.
Speaker #3: So, we will, and we expect to be in a position to start renewing our fleet without affecting the operating cash flow and the dividend that we will continue to pay to our shareholders.
Tate Sullivan, CFA: Okay, thank you. And the second question, you mentioned already having some very early contracting discussions regarding the new builds, and seems like in the last five years, maybe the tanker sector would lock in multi-year contracts at below market fixed rates, maybe at the behest of the lenders. How are you strategizing those, of, of contracting the new builds? Are, are you considering the multi-year or, or is that a dynamic in part of the conversation you have with the lenders please?
Tate Sullivan: Okay, thank you. And the second question, you mentioned already having some very early contracting discussions regarding the new builds, and seems like in the last five years, maybe the tanker sector would lock in multi-year contracts at below market fixed rates, maybe at the behest of the lenders. How are you strategizing those, of, of contracting the new builds? Are, are you considering the multi-year or, or is that a dynamic in part of the conversation you have with the lenders please?
Speaker #6: Thank you . And the second question you mentioned already having some very early contracting discussions regarding the new builds , and it seems like in the last five years , maybe the tanker sector would lock in multi-year contracts at below market fixed rates , maybe at the behest of the lenders .
Speaker #6: How are you strategizing of of of contracting the new builds ? Are you considering the multi-year or is that a dynamic part of the conversation you have with the lenders ?
Speaker #6: Please ?
Speaker #3: Well, not so much. I mean, our lenders are very comfortable with the fact that our balance sheet is very solid.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Well, not so much. I mean, our lenders are very comfortable with the fact that our balance sheet is very solid. We have very low, you know, Loan-to-Value right now. We have a very significant cash balance. So, as far as we keep our order book in a well-managed situation, I don't think that any of our existing lenders was gonna have an issue. And we see a very strong appetite from new lenders in order to provide additional financing. So I don't see that as an issue altogether. Now, fixing the ships for 5 years or 7 years, we are of course considering, and we feel that these ships are in very high demand from our charterers.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Well, not so much. I mean, our lenders are very comfortable with the fact that our balance sheet is very solid. We have very low, you know, Loan-to-Value right now. We have a very significant cash balance. So, as far as we keep our order book in a well-managed situation, I don't think that any of our existing lenders was gonna have an issue. And we see a very strong appetite from new lenders in order to provide additional financing. So I don't see that as an issue altogether. Now, fixing the ships for 5 years or 7 years, we are of course considering, and we feel that these ships are in very high demand from our charterers.
Speaker #3: We have very low , you know , loan to value . Right now . We have very significant cash balance . So as far as we keep our order book in well managed situation , I don't think that any of our existing lenders is going to have any issue .
Speaker #3: And we see a very strong appetite from new lenders in order to provide additional financing. So I don't see that as an issue altogether.
Speaker #3: Now , fixing the ships for five years or seven years . We are , of course , considering and we feel that these ships are in very high demand from our charters .
Stamatis Tsantanis: I think closer to the delivery, maybe in a few months from now or end of the year, we will be in a position to fix some of these ships in long-term periods. But I don't, I don't want them to be below market, just to sacrifice the operating cash flow of the ships.
Speaker #3: I think closer to the delivery , maybe in a few months from now . End of the year , we will be in a position to fix some of these ships in long term periods , but I don't I don't want them to be below market just to sacrifice the the operating cash flow of the ships .
Stamatis Tsantanis: I think closer to the delivery, maybe in a few months from now or end of the year, we will be in a position to fix some of these ships in long-term periods. But I don't, I don't want them to be below market, just to sacrifice the operating cash flow of the ships.
Speaker #6: Okay. Thank you very much.
Tate Sullivan, CFA: Okay. Thank you very much.
Tate Sullivan: Okay. Thank you very much.
Speaker #3: Thank you . Tate
Stamatis Tsantanis: Thank you, Tate.
Stamatis Tsantanis: Thank you, Tate.
Speaker #1: Thank you . This concludes the question and answer session . And today's conference call . Thank you all for participating . You may now disconnect your line .
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Operator: Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session in today's conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect your line. Speakers, please stand by.