Q4 2025 Kite Realty Group Trust Earnings Call

February 17, 2026

Bryan McCarthy: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Kite Realty Group Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Bryan McCarthy, Senior Vice President, Corporate Marketing and Communications. Please go ahead.

Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Kite Realty Group Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Bryan McCarthy, Senior Vice President, Corporate Marketing and Communications. Please go ahead.

Speaker #1: After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone.

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Speaker #1: I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Bryan McCarthy, Senior Vice President Corporate Marketing and Communications. Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Kite Realty Group's fourth-quarter earnings call. Some of today's comments contain forward-looking statements that are based on assumptions of future events and are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties.

Bryan McCarthy: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Kite Realty Group's fourth quarter earnings call. Some of today's comments contain forward-looking statements that are based on assumptions of future events and are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from these statements. For more information about the factors that can adversely affect the company's results, please see our SEC filings, including our most recent Form 10-K. Today's remarks also include certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to today's earnings press release, available on our website, for reconciliation of these non-GAAP performance measures to our GAAP financial results. On the call with me today from Kite Realty Group, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, John Kite, President and Chief Operating Officer, Tom McGowan, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Heath Fear, and Senior Vice President, Capital Markets and Investor Relations, Tyler Henshaw.

Speaker #2: Actual results may differ materially from these statements. For more information about the factors that can adversely affect the company's results, please see our SEC filings, including our most recent Form 10-K.

Speaker #2: Today's remarks also include certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to today's earnings press release, available on our website, for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP performance measures to our GAAP financial results.

Speaker #2: On the call with me today from Kite Realty Group are Chairman and Chief Executive Officer John Kite, President and Chief Operating Officer Tom McGowan, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Heath Fear, and Senior Vice President Capital Markets and Investor Relations Tyler Henshaw.

Speaker #2: Given the number of participants on the call, we kindly ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you have additional questions, we ask that you please rejoin the queue.

Bryan McCarthy: Given the number of participants on the call, we kindly ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you have additional questions, we ask that you please rejoin the queue. I'll now turn the call over to John.

Speaker #2: I'll now turn the call over to John.

Speaker #3: Okay. Thanks, Bryan. And thanks, everyone, for joining us today. The fourth quarter concluded a year of outstanding execution by the KRG team. The following highlights underscore the depth and impact of our operational and transactional accomplishments.

John Kite: Okay, thanks, Bryan, and thanks, everyone, for joining us today. The fourth quarter concluded a year of outstanding execution by the KRG team. The following highlights underscore the depth and impact of our operational and transactional accomplishments. We leased nearly 5 million sq ft of space, and our new leasing volume marked the highest annual volume in the company's history. We leveraged the strong demand for space in our high-quality portfolio to improve our lease structures, embed higher rent escalators, and optimize our merchandising mix. We entered into two joint ventures with GIC, totaling approximately $1 billion of gross asset value. We sold approximately $622 million of non-core assets, which reduced our percentage of ABR coming from power centers by 400 basis points compared to last year, and increased our exposure to neighborhood grocery, lifestyle, and mixed-use assets.

Speaker #3: We leased nearly 5 million square feet of space, and our new leasing volume marked the highest annual volume in the company's history. We leveraged the strong demand for space in our high-quality portfolio to improve our lease structures, embed higher rent escalators, and optimize our merchandising mix.

Speaker #3: We entered into two joint ventures with GIC totaling approximately $1 billion of gross asset value. We sold approximately $622 million of non-core assets, which reduced our percentage of ABR coming from power centers by 400 basis points compared to last year.

Speaker #3: And increased our exposure to neighborhood grocery, lifestyle, and mixed-use assets. We allocated a portion of the proceeds of these sales to $300 million of stock buybacks at a significant discount to our consensus NAV.

John Kite: We allocated a portion of the proceeds of these sales to $300 million of stock buybacks at a significant discount to our consensus NAV. Most importantly, our total activity in the year was accretive on an annualized basis, and our net debt to EBITDA remains below our long-term target range of 5 to 5.5 times. We have a relentless team that will capitalize on this momentum and accomplish even more in 2026 and beyond. Turning to our results, our lease rate increased by 120 basis points sequentially, driven by continued demand for space across our portfolio, particularly with anchor tenants. We signed leases with 9 anchor tenants in Q4 and a total of 28 during 2025, representing approximately 645,000 sq ft.

Speaker #3: Most importantly, our total activity in the year was accretive on an annualized basis. And our net debt to EBITDA remains below our long-term target range of 5 to 5.5 times.

Speaker #3: We have a relentless team that will capitalize on this momentum and accomplish even more in 2026 and beyond. Turning to our results, our leased rate increased by 120 basis points sequentially, driven by continued demand for space across our portfolio, particularly with anchor tenants.

Speaker #3: We signed leases with nine anchor tenants in the fourth quarter and a total of 28 during 2025. Representing approximately 645,000 square feet, the anchor lease in the anchor leasing in 2025 was done at a 24% blended comparable cash spreads 26% gross returns on capital and included names like Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, Crate & Barrel, Nordstrom Rack, Sierra, Home Sense, Ulta, and Barnes & Noble.

John Kite: The anchor leasing in 2025 was done at a 24% blended comparable cash spreads, 26% gross returns on capital, and included names like Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, Crate & Barrel, Nordstrom Rack, Sierra, HomeSense, Ulta, and Barnes & Noble. While our box inventory is being absorbed, the anchor demand remains unabated, which allows us to drive better lease terms, such as reducing the number of fixed options, limiting use restrictions, and incorporating more favorable co-tenancy clauses. Our small shop lease rate increased 50 basis points sequentially and 110 basis points year-over-year. We've been on a steady upward trajectory over the last five years, and over the course of 2026, we intend to drive our shop lease rate to new heights.

Speaker #3: While our box inventory is being absorbed, the anchor demand remains unabated, which allows us to drive better lease terms, such as reducing the number of fixed options, limiting use restrictions, and incorporating more favorable co-tenancy clauses.

Speaker #3: Our small shop lease rate increased 50 basis points sequentially and 110 basis points year over year. We've been on a steady upward trajectory over the last five years.

Speaker #3: And over the course of 2026, we intend to drive our shop lease rate to new heights. Our focus continues to be on higher long-term organic growth, an effort that will pay dividends long after our sizable sign-not-open pipeline normalizes.

John Kite: Our focus continues to be on higher long-term organic growth, an effort that will pay dividends long after our sizable signed not open pipeline normalizes. The embedded rent bumps for the portfolio are 180 basis points, a nearly 25 basis point increase from Q1 2024. By shedding lower growth assets and negotiating better annual bumps, we're well on our way to hitting our goal of 200 basis points of embedded escalators in the portfolio. Turning to development, our activities at One Loudoun. It's important to appreciate that this is not a run-of-the-mill expansion project. We're adding 86,000 sq ft of retail space, 33,000 sq ft of highly amenitized office space, 169 full-service hotel rooms, and 429 additional luxury fit multifamily units to a premier mixed-use asset located in the wealthiest county in the country.

Speaker #3: The embedded rent bumps for the portfolio are 180 basis points, a nearly 25 basis point increase from the first quarter of 2024. By shedding lower-growth assets and negotiating better annual bumps, we're well on our way to hitting our goal of 200 basis points of embedded escalators in the portfolio.

Speaker #3: Turning to development, our activities at One Loudoun—it's important to appreciate that this is not a run-of-the-mill expansion project. We're adding 86,000 square feet of retail space, 33,000 square feet of highly amenitized office space, 169 full-service hotel rooms, and 429 additional luxury multifamily units to a premier mixed-use asset located in the wealthiest county in the country.

Speaker #3: The retail portion of the expansion is currently 65% leased to names like Our House, Williams-Sonoma, Pottery Barn, Tate, and Alo Yoga. In 2025, we took a series of critical steps to transform our portfolio and refine our investment thesis.

John Kite: The retail portion of the expansion is currently 65% leased to names like Arhaus, Williams-Sonoma, Pottery Barn, Tatte, and Alo, Alo Yoga. In 2025, we took a series of critical steps to transform our portfolio and refine our investment thesis. Together with a world-class partner, we acquired a landmark property in Legacy West and contributed three larger format, well-located assets to a second joint venture. Legacy West has been outperforming our original underwriting, and since our acquisition last April, we've signed or opened names like Watches of Switzerland, Ralph Lauren, The Henry, Buck Mason, Seventh Avenue, and Adidas. As one of the elite open-air assets in the country, Legacy West has opened the door to a new tier of luxury tenant relationships, and we see a clear opportunity to replicate that success across select assets in our portfolio.

Speaker #3: Together with a world-class partner, we acquired a landmark property in Legacy West and contributed three larger-format, well-located assets to a second joint venture.

Speaker #3: Legacy West has been outperforming our original underwriting, and since our acquisition last April, we've signed or opened names like Watches of Switzerland, Ralph Lauren, The Henry, Buck Mason, Seventh Avenue, and Adidas.

Speaker #3: As one of the elite open-air assets in the country, Legacy West has opened the door to a new tier of luxury tenant relationships and we see a clear opportunity to replicate that success across a select assets in our portfolio.

Speaker #3: We sold 13 properties in two land parcels in 2025 for approximately $622 million. The disposition pool was primarily composed of larger format assets with embedded rent escalators significantly below our portfolio average.

John Kite: We sold 13 properties and 2 land parcels in 2025 for approximately $622 million. The disposition pool was primarily composed of larger format assets with embedded rent escalators significantly below our portfolio average. The sales also allowed us to shed a total of 21 watch list anchor boxes, representing approximately 578,000 sq ft of space. At the beginning of 2025, we indicated there would be an acceleration in our capital recycling activities, and that's exactly what happened. In totality, we were a significant net seller in 2025. Based on where our stock is traded, we leaned into the capital allocation cues by selling larger format, lower growth assets into the private market at yields well inside of our Implied Cap Rate.

Speaker #3: The sales also allowed us to shed a total of 21 watchlist anchor boxes, representing approximately 578,000 square feet of space. At the beginning of 2025, we indicated there would be an acceleration in our capital recycling activities, and that's exactly what happened.

Speaker #3: In totality, we were a significant net seller in 2025. Based on where our stock is traded, we leaned into the capital allocution cues by selling larger format lower growth assets into the private market at yields well inside of our implied cap rate.

Speaker #3: We redeployed the majority of the proceeds into $300 million of share repurchases at a 9% core FFO yield. In summary, we took advantage of a clear yield arbitrage opportunity.

John Kite: We redeployed the majority of the proceeds into $300 million of share repurchases at a 9% Core FFO yield. In summary, we took advantage of a clear yield arbitrage opportunity, while at the same time, de-risking our cash flows and enhancing the growth rate of our portfolio. Looking into 2026, the midpoint of our guidance has limited transaction activity that Heath will address in a moment. As for any transactional activity beyond that, we have previously discussed a possible second round of larger format, non-core dispositions to further elevate the quality of our portfolio. Any such recycling would be pursued opportunistically, so long as it's minimally disruptive to earnings and otherwise consistent with the objective of last year's dispositions. As always, I want to thank the KRG team for their continued dedication and considerable efforts to deliver strong results and execute on our strategy.

Speaker #3: While at the same time, de-risking our cash flows and enhancing the growth rate of our portfolio. Looking into 2026, the midpoint of our guidance has limited transaction activity, which Heath will address in a moment.

Speaker #3: As for any transactional activity beyond that, we have previously discussed a possible second round of larger-format non-core dispositions to further elevate the quality of our portfolio.

Speaker #3: Any such recycling would be pursued opportunistically, so long as it's minimally disruptive to earnings and otherwise consistent with the objective of last year's dispositions.

Speaker #3: As always, I want to thank the KRG team for their continued dedication and considerable efforts to deliver strong results and execute on our strategy.

Speaker #3: I'll now turn the call over to Heath to discuss the details of Q4 and 2026 guidance.

John Kite: I'll now turn the call over to Heath to discuss the details of Q4 and 2026 guidance.

Speaker #2: Thank you and good morning. 2025 was an extremely productive year and we're taking that same drive and conviction straight into 2026. As a team, we are focused on converting momentum into results by further optimizing and de-risking the portfolio upgrading our operating platform, embracing technological change, and staying ahead of emerging trends.

Heath Fear: Thank you, and good morning. 2025 was an extremely productive year, and we're taking that same drive and conviction straight into 2026. As a team, we are focused on converting momentum into results by further optimizing and de-risking the portfolio, upgrading our operating platform, embracing technological change, and staying ahead of emerging trends.... Turning to our results, KRG earned $0.52 of NAREIT FFO per share and $0.51 of core FFO per share in Q4. For the full year, KRG earned $2.10 of NAREIT FFO per share and $2.06 of core FFO per share. Our core FFO per share grew 3.5% year-over-year, and as a reminder, core FFO focuses on the fundamental operating results and serves to eliminate the non-cash noise.

Speaker #2: Turning to our results, KRG earned 52 cents of NARETH FFO per share and 51 cents of core FFO per share in the fourth quarter.

Speaker #2: For the full year, KRG earned $2.10 of NARETH FFO per share and $2.06 of core FFO per share. Our core FFO per share grew 3.5% year over year and as a reminder, core FFO focuses on the fundamental operating results and serves to eliminate the non-cash noise.

Speaker #2: For the full year, same property NOI growth was 2.9%. Take note that our full year 2025 same property NOI result is 115 basis points above our original guidance, and over the past four years, our same property NOI growth has averaged 4%.

Heath Fear: For the full year, same property NOI growth was 2.9%. Take note that our full year 2025 same property NOI result is 115 basis points above our original guidance. Over the past 4 years, our same property NOI growth has averaged 4%. When accounting for our disposition activity in the fourth quarter, our signed not open pipeline grew $4 million sequentially to $37 million of NOI, and the gap between leased and occupied space widened to 340 basis points. During the quarter, we executed 61 new leases that ended approximately $14 million of NOI, which more than offset the 61 tenant openings, representing approximately $10 million of NOI. Importantly, about 70% of that signed not open NOI is expected to come online in 2026.

Speaker #2: When accounting for our disposition activity in the fourth quarter, our sign-not-open pipeline grew $4 million sequentially to $37 million of NOI. And the gap between lease and occupied space widened to 340 basis points.

Speaker #2: During the quarter, we executed 61 new leases that added approximately $14 million of NOI, which more than offset the $61 tenant openings represented approximately $10 million of NOI.

Speaker #2: Importantly, about 70% of that sign-not-open NOI is expected to come online in 2026. For 2026, we are establishing our NAREIT and core FFO per share guidance ranges between $2.06 and $2.12.

Heath Fear: For 2026, we are establishing our NAREIT and core FFO per share guidance ranges between $2.06 and $2.12. Included at the midpoint of our guidance are the following assumptions: same-property NOI growth of 2.75%, a bad debt reserve of 100 basis points of total revenues, and interest expense net of interest income of $121 million. The midpoint of our guidance also assumes approximately $110 million of ten thirty-one acquisitions in the first half of the year, offset by approximately $115 million of non-core asset sales later in 2026. I encourage all of you to review page 5 of our investor presentation, which bridges 2025 NAREIT and core FFO results to the midpoint of our 2026 guidance.

Speaker #2: Included at the midpoint of our guidance are the following assumptions: same-property NOI growth of 2.75%, a bad debt reserve of 100 basis points of total revenues, and interest expense net of interest income of $121 million.

Speaker #2: The midpoint of our guidance also assumes approximately $110 million of 1031 acquisitions in the first half of the year, offset by approximately $115 million of non-core asset sales later in 2026.

Speaker #2: I encourage all of you to review page five of our investor presentation, which bridges 2025 NAREIT and core FFO results to the midpoint of our 2026 guidance.

Speaker #2: Our same property NOI cadence for 2026 will be the opposite of 2025, and we anticipate lower growth in the first half, followed by acceleration in the back half of the year and into 2027.

Heath Fear: Our same-property NOI cadence for 2026 will be the opposite of 2025, and we anticipate lower growth in the first half, followed by acceleration in the back half of the year and into 2027. The cadence is primarily due to bankruptcy rents we collected in the first two quarters of 2025, and the impact of our signed, not open pipeline in the second half of 2026. Interest expense will be roughly $0.03 tailwind into 2026, driven by lower line of credit balances following last year's transactional activity and higher capitalized interest as we accelerate development activities at One Loudoun. Our recurring but unpredictable items are serving as a $0.04 headwind into 2026 guidance. Termination fees were a historical outlier in the first two quarters of 2025.

Speaker #2: The cadence is primarily due to bankruptcy rents we collected in the first two quarters of 2025 and the impact of our sign-not-open pipeline in the second half of 2026.

Speaker #2: Interest expense will be roughly a 3-cent tailwind into 2026, driven by lower line of credit balances following last year's transactional activity and higher capitalized interest as we accelerate development activities at Long Mountain.

Speaker #2: Our recurring but unpredictable items are serving as a 4 cent headwind into 2026 guidance. Termination fees were a historical outlier in the first two quarters of 2025.

Speaker #2: Our philosophy with establishing guidance is always to set expectations based on things we have clear visibility to, while maintaining a pathway to outperformance. While our 2025 allocation activity is expected to be accretive on a full-year basis, the timing of dispositions and associated deployment of proceeds are things that are a $0.02 headwind into 2026.

Heath Fear: Our philosophy with establishing guidance is always to set expectations based on things we have clear visibility to, while maintaining a pathway to outperformance. While our 2025 allocation activity is expected to be accretive on a full year basis, the timing of dispositions and associated deployment of proceeds are acting as a $0.02 headwind into 2026. You will note that our NAREIT and core FFO per share guidance is the same for 2026. This reflects the continued wind down of non-cash items stemming from our 2021 merger, including straight line rent, lease intangibles, and debt marks, resulting in a more balanced non-cash profile for the year. We've consistently emphasized that the strength of our balance sheet provides us with tremendous flexibility in how we allocate capital. The recent dispositions and share repurchase activity are clear examples of that flexibility in action.

Speaker #2: You will note that our NAREIT and Core FFO per share guidance is the same for 2026. This reflects the continued wind-down of non-cash items stemming from our 2021 merger, including straight-line rent, lease intangibles, and debt marks, resulting in a more balanced non-cash profile for the year.

Speaker #2: We've consistently emphasized that the strength of our balance sheet provides us with tremendous flexibility in how we allocate capital. The recent dispositions and share reproducers activity are clear examples of that flexibility in action.

Speaker #2: Our balance sheet remains one of the strongest in the sector, with over $1 billion in liquidity and a net debt to EBITDA of 4.9 times, giving us the capacity to pursue opportunities that enhance shareholder value while maintaining our financial discipline.

Heath Fear: Our balance sheet remains one of the strongest in the sectors, with over $1 billion in liquidity and a Net Debt to EBITDA of 4.9x, giving us the capacity to pursue opportunities that enhance shareholder value while maintaining our financial discipline. We remain firmly committed to our long-term leverage target of low- to mid-5x Net Debt to EBITDA, which continues to position us well for both stability and growth. Thank you to our team for their relentless effort to deliver strong results and create long-term value for all our stakeholders. We look forward to seeing many of you over the next several weeks in much warmer weather. Operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. Please open the line for questions.

Speaker #2: We remain firmly committed to our long-term leverage target of low to mid-five times net debt to EBITDA which continues to position us well for both stability and growth.

Speaker #2: Thank you to our team for their relentless effort to deliver strong results and create long-term value for all our stakeholders. We look forward to seeing many of you over the next several weeks in much warmer weather.

Speaker #2: Operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. Please open the line for questions.

Speaker #3: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press *11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press *11 again.

Bryan McCarthy: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Our first question comes from the line of Cooper Clark with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Our first question comes from the line of Cooper Clark with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Speaker #3: Our first question comes from the line of Cooper Clark with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Dori Kesten: Great. Thanks for taking the questions. I just wanted to touch on some of the non-core dispositions assumed in guidance. Just curious if you could provide expectations on pricing there and whether or not it's fair to assume that's mostly comprised of power centers?

Cooper Clark: Great. Thanks for taking the questions. I just wanted to touch on some of the non-core dispositions assumed in guidance. Just curious if you could provide expectations on pricing there and whether or not it's fair to assume that's mostly comprised of power centers?

Speaker #4: Great. Thanks for taking the questions. I just wanted to touch on some of the non-core dispositions assumed in guidance. Just curious if you could provide expectations on pricing there and whether or not it's fair to assume that's mostly comprised of power centers.

Speaker #2: Yeah, I mean, I think you can assume that it's similar to what we've done in 2025. And obviously, it hasn't happened yet, so we're not going to give too much color on where we assume the cap rates to be.

Heath Fear: Yeah, I mean, I think, I think you can assume that it's similar to what we've done in 2025. And, we're-- you know, it's obviously it hasn't happened yet, so we, we, we're not, you know, we're not gonna give too much color on where we assume the cap rates to be. But I think overall, the market continues to be very healthy, you know, and there's a strong demand for that type of product.

John Kite: Yeah, I mean, I think, I think you can assume that it's similar to what we've done in 2025. And, we're-- you know, it's obviously it hasn't happened yet, so we, we, we're not, you know, we're not gonna give too much color on where we assume the cap rates to be. But I think overall, the market continues to be very healthy, you know, and there's a strong demand for that type of product.

Speaker #2: But I think, overall, the market continues to be very healthy, and there's a strong demand for that type of product.

Speaker #4: Great, thanks. And then on the 1031 acquisitions, just curious what type of product you're looking at today and how we should be thinking about the buy docs on different types of assets you're looking at in the market.

Dori Kesten: Great, thanks.

Cooper Clark: Great, thanks.

Heath Fear: Great.

John Kite: Great.

Dori Kesten: And then on the ten thirty-one acquisitions, just curious what type of product you're looking at today and how we should be thinking about the buy boxes on different types of assets you're looking in the market?

Cooper Clark: And then on the ten thirty-one acquisitions, just curious what type of product you're looking at today and how we should be thinking about the buy boxes on different types of assets you're looking in the market?

Speaker #2: Yeah, I think, again, in general, in terms of what we're looking to execute on, we continue to want to execute on this idea of moving away from the larger format centers and into more of the neighborhood grocery and lifestyle mixed-use.

Heath Fear: Yeah, I think, again, in general, in terms of what we're looking to execute on, we continue to want to execute on this idea of moving away from the larger format centers and into more of the neighborhood grocery and lifestyle mixed use. Again, with a focus on, you know, embedded rent growth, but also some of this activity is based on-

John Kite: Yeah, I think, again, in general, in terms of what we're looking to execute on, we continue to want to execute on this idea of moving away from the larger format centers and into more of the neighborhood grocery and lifestyle mixed use. Again, with a focus on, you know, embedded rent growth, but also some of this activity is based on-

Speaker #2: Again, with a focus on embedded rent growth, but also some of this activity is based on activity that we had at the end of '25 relative to gains and losses, right?

John Kite: ... you know, activity that we had at the end of 25 relative to, you know, gains and losses, right? So we have to, we have to be focused on this idea of trying to harvest some losses to offset some gains. So it's not, it's not simply just about product type. There's a little bit of that going on as well. But in general, you know, the theme is that we want to continue to move the portfolio in a direction that will grow our embedded rent growth. You know, and, and as, as you know, getting up to growing it by 25 basis points in a year, up to almost 1.8%, you know, we're closing in on this goal of 2% embedded rent growth. That's just a significant driver for us in the future.

Speaker #2: So, we have to be focused on this idea of trying to harvest some losses to offset some gains. So, it's not simply just about product type.

Speaker #2: There's a little bit of that going on as well. But in general, the theme is that we want to continue to move the portfolio in a direction that will grow our embedded rent growth and as you know, getting up to growing it by 25 basis points in a year up to almost 1.8%, we're closing in on this goal of 2% embedded rent growth.

Speaker #2: That's just a significant driver for us in the future. So it's kind of a combination of all those things, Keith. Anything else?

John Kite: So it's kind of a combination of all those things. Heath, you got anything to add?

Heath Fear: Yeah, I would just add, Cooper, that the acquisitions and the dispositions are really, they're accomplishing the same thing. So the ten thirty-one acquisitions are really just shielding gains from last year, and the $115 million of assets, they have embedded losses. Again, achieving the same thing, which is managing through our taxes and also at the same time, de-risking the portfolio and, and improving the overall quality. So, but, you know, different sides of the same coin, so to speak.

Speaker #5: Yeah. I would just add, Cooper, that the acquisitions and the dispositions are really they're accomplishing the same thing. So the 1031 acquisitions are really just shielding gains from last year and the 115 million of assets they have embedded losses.

Speaker #5: Again, achieving the same thing, which is managing through our taxes and also at the same time de-risking the portfolio and improving the overall quality.

Speaker #5: So different sides of the same coin, so to speak.

Speaker #4: Great. Thank you.

John Kite: Great. Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thanks.

Heath Fear: Thanks.

Speaker #2: Thanks.

Speaker #3: Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Real with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Bryan McCarthy: Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Reel with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Reel with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Speaker #6: Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First, I was hoping you could speak to some of the key swing factors that would drive you toward the higher or lower end of the guidance range.

Andrew Reale: Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First, just hoping, you know, maybe you could speak to some of the key swing factors that would drive you towards the higher or lower end of the guidance range. And then specifically for the SNO pipeline, how much of that timing is-

Speaker #6: And then, specifically for the S&O pipeline, how much of that timing is go-ahead?

Heath Fear: Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry, finish your question.

Speaker #2: I'm sorry. Can I ask you a question?

Speaker #6: Sure. Just with the S&O pipeline, how much of that timing is within your control, and what levers could you pull to potentially accelerate some of that commencement?

Andrew Reale: Sure. Just with the SNO pipeline, how much of that timing is within your control, and what levers could you pull to potentially accelerate some of that commencement?

Speaker #2: So, I'll answer the first question, which is what's going to put you to the high end and low end of your range. So listen, I'm on the same store side.

Heath Fear: So I'll answer the first question, which is what, you know, what's going to put you to the high and the low end of your range. So, listen, on the same store side, it's the typical suspects. You know, it's lower bad debt, RCDs, you know, rent commencement dates, retention, and higher overage. Those are your typical same store things that put you in the higher or lower end of your range. And then below same store, as we talked about, there's recurring and unpredictable items, you know, term fees, land sales, fee income, et cetera. As we mentioned, that's a force that dragged this year, but we only put into guidance things that we have visibility on, so that number could grow over the course of the year.

Speaker #2: It's the typical suspects. It's lower bad debt, RCDs, rent commencement dates, retention, higher overage—those are your typical same-store things that put you in the higher or lower end of your range.

Speaker #2: And then below same-store, as we talked about, there are recurring and unpredictable items—term fees, land sales, fee income, etc. As we mentioned, that's been a force that dragged this year, but we only put into guidance things that we have visibility on.

Speaker #2: So, that number could grow over the course of the year. Timing of the transactional activity that we just mentioned could also impact the higher or lower end of the range.

Heath Fear: Timing of the transactional activity that we just mentioned could also impact the higher or lower end of the range. You know, that's again, that's deployment of the sale proceeds. When we're going to get those ten thirty-one acquisitions done, when do we sell the other $115 million? And finally, as John mentioned, you know, on the call, are we doing the second, you know, pot of dispositions? Again, that's TBD, but those are all sort of the main broad factors that, that really sort of bring us high or low on the range. And then, Tom, do you want to discuss what we can control on the RCDs?

Speaker #2: That's, again, that's deployment of the sale proceeds when we're going to get those 1031 acquisitions done. When do we sell the other 115 million?

Speaker #2: And finally, as John mentioned, on the call, are we doing a second pot of dispositions? Again, that's TBD. But those are all sort of the main broad factors that really sort of bring us higher or low on the range.

Speaker #2: And then, Tom, do you want to discuss what we can control on the RCDs?

Speaker #5: Yeah. From an RCD standpoint, I think one of the most important factors is once we're at a comfortable state of moving forward, getting drawings started, doing everything we can from a permitting standpoint, we're situations require multiple permits, we consolidate those to avoid delays.

Tom McGowan: Yeah. From an RCD standpoint, I think one of the most important factors is once we're at a comfortable state of moving forward, getting drawings started, doing everything we can from a permitting standpoint, or situations require multiple permits, we consolidate those to avoid delays. So we have four or five tools that we can take off on to improve those, and we're in the midst of really tackling those right now.

Speaker #5: So, we have four or five tools that we can take off on to improve those, and we're in the midst of really tackling those right now.

Speaker #4: Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. And then if I could just follow up on the recurring but unpredictable items, I know you mentioned the 4 cent headwind this year.

Andrew Reale: Okay, that's helpful. Thanks. And then if I could just follow up on the recurring but unpredictable items. I know you mentioned the $0.04 headwind this year, but could you just quantify what's currently baked into the assumption as it relates to term fees or any land sale gains or anything else?

Speaker #4: But could you just quantify what's currently baked into the assumption as it relates to term fees, or any landfill gains, or anything else?

Speaker #5: Yeah. Just to put context, we had around 21 and a half million dollars of recurring but unpredictables last year. And we're just under 13 million dollars this year.

Heath Fear: Yeah, just to put context, we had around $21.5 million of recurring, but unpredictables last year, and we're just under $13 million this year, and it's spread across typical suspects, term fees, land sale gains, and development fees. So again, that's what we have purview into right now, and, you know, we only put things in that we have really, really great visibility to, and to the extent we're able to get more of that over the course of the year, that'll be a source of outperformance. I will observe, however, though, what we have in the model right now is pretty much a run rate. So if you look at between 2023, 2024, and 2025, it's running around $13 million a year. So that's kind of a midpoint, I think. So we'll see.

Speaker #5: And it's spread across typical suspects, term fees, landfill gains, and development fees. So again, that's what we have purview into right now. And we only put things in that we have really, really great visibility to and to the extent we're able to get more of that over the course of the year, that'll be a source of outperformance.

Speaker #5: I will observe, however, though, what we have in the model right now is pretty much a run rate. So if you look at between '23, '24, and '25, it's running around $13 million a year.

Speaker #5: So, that's kind of a midpoint, I think. So, we'll see. Again, it's a lot of time in front of us.

Heath Fear: Again, it's a lot of time in front of us.

Speaker #6: Thank you.

Andrew Reale: Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Todd Thomas with KeyBank Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Todd Thomas, your line is open.

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Speaker #7: Yeah, hi. Thanks. Sorry about that. I just wanted to follow up on capital recycling and some of the transaction commentary. Heath, in terms of the $115 million of dispositions assumed in guidance and the 1031 investments you plan to make, is there any update on progress to dispose of City Center that you can discuss?

John Kite: Yeah, hi. Thanks. Sorry about that. I just wanted to follow up on, capital recycling and, and some of the transaction commentary. Heath, in terms of the $115 million of dispositions assumed in guidance and the ten thirty-one investments you plan to make, is there any update, on progress to dispose of City Center that you can discuss? And how should we think about, deploying the balance of the cash and restricted cash on the balance sheet?

Todd Thomas: Yeah, hi. Thanks. Sorry about that. I just wanted to follow up on, capital recycling and, and some of the transaction commentary. Heath, in terms of the $115 million of dispositions assumed in guidance and the ten thirty-one investments you plan to make, is there any update, on progress to dispose of City Center that you can discuss? And how should we think about, deploying the balance of the cash and restricted cash on the balance sheet?

Speaker #7: And how should we think about deploying the balance of the cash and restrict the cash on the balance sheet?

Speaker #5: Yeah. So great question, Todd. So on the 115 million we're selling, all that's in process, as you know, we were forced to remarket city center as we were cleaning up some tenant issues.

Heath Fear: Yeah, so great question, Todd. So on the $115 million we're selling, all this in process. As you know, we were forced to remarket City Center as we were cleaning up some tenant issues. So that one's still actively in the process. You know, on the weighted average transactional date for that group of assets is August, so it'll be later in the year. Then in terms of how we're applying the proceeds, you know, if you looked on our balance sheet, Todd, you'll see that we had $440 million worth of unrestricted cash. That was all sitting in ten thirty-one escrows, but that's obviously not all earmarked for ten thirty-ones. So going through it, you know, we paid about $30 million for that special dividend at the beginning of the year.

Speaker #5: So that one's still actively in the process. On the weighted average, transactional date for that group of assets is August, so it's going to be later in the year.

Speaker #5: Then in terms of how we're applying the proceeds, if you looked at our balance sheet, Todd, you'll see that we had $440 million sort of in restricted cash.

Speaker #5: That was all sitting in 1031 escrows, but that's obviously not all that you're marked for 1031s. So, going through it, we've paid about $30 million for that special dividend at the beginning of the year.

Speaker #5: We got another 50 million dollars of stock back in January. We paid down 85 million dollars on the line of credit. So now the line of credit's sitting at zero.

Heath Fear: We got another $50 million of stock back in January. We paid down $85 million on the line of credit, so now the line of credit is sitting at zero. It was $85 million at the end of the year. And then there's ten thirty-one acquisitions, and then the balance of it's gonna be a combination of debt reduction and share repurchases. So that's how we intend on deploying the full proceeds.

Speaker #5: It was $85 million at the end of the year. And then there's 1031 acquisitions. And then the balance of it is going to be a combination of debt reduction and share repurchases.

Speaker #5: So that's how we intend on deploying the full proceeds.

Speaker #7: Okay. That's helpful. And then maybe, John, can you just maybe speak to the broader acquisition environment today? In terms of the product that you're seeing, we've seen a lot of activity pick up.

Todd Thomas: Okay, that's helpful. And then, maybe, John, can you just maybe speak to the broader acquisition environment today, you know, in terms of, you know, the product that you're seeing? We've seen a lot of activity pick up, and I'm curious, you know, how that sort of fits into, you know, the company's strategy for acquisitions just moving forward here and what your appetite is like for new investments as we think about 2026, 2027.

Speaker #7: And I'm curious, how that sort of fits into the company's strategy for acquisitions, just moving forward here, and what your appetite is like for new investments as we think about '26, '27?

Speaker #5: Yeah, Todd, as you know, I mean, I think the market is definitely active. There's a strong bid for retail across the board.

John Kite: Yeah, Todd, as you know, I mean, I think the market is definitely active. There's a strong bid for kind of retail across the board. Each component of retail, you know, has a strong bid, actually. So it makes the job a little harder in terms of finding the things that we think match. That being said, we're actively underwriting deals right now. As he said, we do intend on, you know, executing on at least $110 million of acquisitions. We have 2 or 3, 4 opportunities that we are, you know, well on the way of underwriting and analyzing. So I think, I think that we feel good about that execution.

Speaker #5: Each component of retail has a strong bid, actually. So it makes the job a little harder in terms of finding the things that we think match.

Speaker #5: That being said, we're actively underwriting deals right now. As he said, we do intend on executing on at least $110 million of acquisitions. We have two, three, four opportunities that we are well on the way of underwriting and analyzing.

Speaker #5: So, I think that we feel good about that execution. I think we continue to want to find things that we think we can add value to.

John Kite: I think we continue to wanna find things that we think we can add value to and, and things that have a better embedded rent growth profile, and also, again, de-risking, exposure to, certain large anchor tenants that we just want to de-risk our exposure to. So this is a-- this isn't a one-year thing, it's a multi-year process, that we're moving towards, and I think we- we're off to a fabulous start. And I think we, think we can continue to do that, but we have to be smart, and we have to be agile. We have to be looking all over the place, and we're doing that. We-- you know, we're in great markets, so we can add to the markets that we're already in, which is generally what we're looking at. So, I feel very good about it.

Speaker #5: And things that have a better embedded rent growth profile. And also, again, de-risking exposure to certain large anchor tenants that we just want to de-risk our exposure to.

Speaker #5: So, this isn't a one-year thing. It's a multi-year process that we're moving towards, and I think we're off to a fabulous start.

Speaker #5: And I think we can continue to do that, but we have to be smart, and we have to be agile, and we have to be looking all over the place.

Speaker #5: And we're doing that. We're in great markets, so we can add to the markets that we're already in, which is generally what we're looking at.

Speaker #5: So I feel very good about it. But again, I mean, the more and more people that want to be in the space, the more difficult it is to try to make numbers work.

John Kite: But again, I mean, the more and more people that want to be in the space, the more, you know, difficult it is to try to make numbers work. But that's our job, and that's what we'll do.

Speaker #5: But that's our job. And that's what we'll do.

Speaker #7: Okay. Thank you.

Todd Thomas: Okay. Thank you.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

John Kite: Thank you.

Bryan McCarthy: Our next question comes from the line of Craig Mailman with Citi. Your line is now open.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Craig Mailman with Citi. Your line is now open.

Speaker #3: Our next question comes from the line of Craig Millman with Citi. Your line is now open.

Craig Mailman: Hey, good morning, guys. Just, Heath, on the 100 basis points of bad debt expectations, you know, I know, John, I think you said with the dispositions, you got rid of 21 watch list spaces. I'm just kind of curious, as you guys kind of sold off the non-core, how much of that 100 basis points is kind of earmarked versus just a cushion? And kind of walk through maybe some of the, the watch list tenants that may be on there.

Speaker #8: Hey. Good morning, guys. Just Heath, on the 100 basis point of bad debt, expectations, I know John, I think you said with the dispose, you got really 21 watch list spaces.

Speaker #8: I'm just kind of curious, did you guys kind of sell off the non-core? How much of that 100 basis points is kind of earmarked versus just a cushion, and can you maybe walk through some of the watchlist tenants that may be on there?

Heath Fear: Thanks for the question, Craig. So as you know, our typical run rate is somewhere between 75 and 100 basis points of revenue. And also, this year, we don't have a separate anchor reserve, so we decided that 100 basis points was an appropriate level, mostly probably due to The Container Store. So we'll see how that shakes out, but, you know, we're having that one. You know, so we're starting at a little bit of a higher level. Last year, our general reserve was 85 basis points, so rather than separating it out, we just said 100 basis points general reserve for 2026.

Speaker #5: Thanks for the question, Craig. So as you know, our typical run rate is somewhere between 75 and 100 basis points of revenue. And also this year, we don't have a separate anchor reserve.

Speaker #5: So, we decided that 100 basis points was an appropriate level, mostly probably due to the container storage. So, we'll see how that shakes out.

Speaker #5: But we're having that one, so we're starting at a little bit of a higher level. Last year, our general reserve was 85 basis points.

Speaker #5: So rather than separating it out, we just said 100 basis points general reserve, 2026.

Speaker #8: Yeah, Craig, I mean, it's like—every time, at this time of year, I think we get this question every year on this call. It's just so early.

John Kite: Yeah, Craig, I mean, it's like every time at this time of year, I think we get this question every year at this call. It's just so early. There's so many variables. We feel like 100 at the midpoint is a nice place to start. Let's see how we go through the year. There's multiple, you know, retailers that have lots of things going on, so this is the right way to go about it. I do think overall, we are trending in a good direction, as it relates to our portfolio in particular, but also just the overall landscape, where, you know, previous... I've seen people write about, you know, retailers that were previously on watch lists that are not on watch lists and things like that.

Speaker #8: There's so many variables. We feel like 100 at the midpoint is a nice place to start. Let's see how we go through the year.

Speaker #8: There are multiple retailers that have a lot of things going on, so this is the right way to go about it. I do think overall we are trending in a good direction as it relates to our portfolio in particular, but also just the overall landscape, where previously I've seen people write about retailers that were previously on watch lists that are now not on watch lists, and things like that.

Speaker #8: So I think we feel good about it. But this is a good place to start. And I think it's prudent. That's helpful. And then just second, just on the asset recycling capital deployment side of things, you guys were very active and it seems like selling stuff is much easier than buying things these days given the transaction environment out there.

John Kite: So I think we feel good about it, but this is, this is a good place to start, and I think it's prudent.

Craig Mailman: That, that's helpful. And then just second, just on, on the asset recycling, you know, capital, deployment side of things, you guys were very active, and it seems like selling stuff is, is much easier than buying things these days, given, the, the transaction environment out there. But I'm just kind of curious, you know, it just feels like there's diminishing returns on buybacks, and you guys are in probably better shape than other REITs that have tried it, given your leverage levels. But I'm just kind of curious, you guys have traded at, at a persistent discount to peers, and it feels like maybe the, the route is figure out a way to drive earnings growth that exceeds peers versus, you know, setting up the portfolio for, for longer term NAV.

Speaker #8: But I'm just kind of curious, it just feels like there's diminishing returns on buybacks. And you guys are in probably better shape than other REITs that have tried it, given your leverage levels.

Speaker #8: But I'm just kind of curious, you guys have traded at a persistent discount to peers. And it feels like maybe the route is figuring out a way to drive earnings growth that exceeds peers versus setting up the portfolio for longer-term NAV.

Speaker #8: So I'm just kind of curious—the appetite here five times. You guys are below the low end of your debt-to-EBITDA range, but just pushing that leverage—and I'm not saying to go to seven times—but maybe something a little bit more efficient from putting capital out the door and driving earnings, rather than continuing to run at low leverage and kind of putting yourself at a disadvantage relative to private peers who run at higher leverage.

Craig Mailman: So I'm just kind of curious, the appetite here, you know, 5x, you guys are below the low end of your debt-to-EBITDA range. But just pushing that leverage, and I'm not saying to go to 7x, but, you know, maybe something a little bit more efficient from putting capital out the door and driving earnings rather than continue to run at low leverage and kind of putting yourself at a disadvantage relative to private peers who run at higher leverage. I don't know, could that make it easier to buy things and drive earnings growth and differentiate yourselves that way versus kind of the shrink to grow down the road strategy you guys are doing now?

Speaker #8: I don't know. Could that make it easier to buy things and drive earnings growth and differentiate yourselves that way versus kind of the shrink to grow down the road strategy you guys are doing now?

Speaker #5: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot to unpack there, Craig. But bottom line, when we started the year in 2025, we were very clear about the strategy, right?

John Kite: ... Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot to unpack there, Craig. But bottom line, you know, when we started the year in 2025, we were very clear about the strategy, right? And the strategy has a lot to do with not thinking about, you know, the next four or five quarters, but thinking about the next four or five years. Sometimes people don't like to hear that. We're in a great business that is going to get stronger, and we're positioning the portfolio to take advantage of that and actually, you know, in the future, be in a better growth profile. So that, that's kind of the work that we did, and we were able to do that.

Speaker #5: And the strategy has a lot to do with not thinking about the next four or five quarters, but thinking about the next four or five years.

Speaker #5: Sometimes people don't like to hear that. We're in a great business that is going to get stronger. And we're positioning the portfolio to take advantage of that and, actually, in the future be in a better growth profile.

Speaker #5: So that's kind of the work that we did, and we were able to do that. I mean, if you look at what we did in the year, a lot of people talk about things that they might do or want to do.

John Kite: I mean, we-- if you look at what we did in the year, you know, a lot of people talk about things that they might do or want to do, and they complain about where their stock price is, and where assets trade, but yet they don't really act on it. And, you know, I think the reality is, we acted on something that was a very clear arbitrage. You know, buying back 6% of our stock at, you know, at numbers that, you know, the source was provided at yields that were very attractive relative to the yields that, as we said, the Core FFO yield of the stock was at 9% at that time. So bottom line, I think we feel very good about how we executed that.

Speaker #5: And they complain about where their stock price is and where assets trade, but yet, they don't really act on it. And I think the reality is, we acted on something that was a very clear arbitrage.

Speaker #5: Buying back 6% of our stock at numbers that the source was provided at yields that were very attractive relative to the yields that, as we said, the core FFO yield of the stock was at 9% at that time.

Speaker #5: So, bottom line, I think we feel very good about how we executed that. Obviously, as we continue to move down the road, our goal is to grow.

John Kite: Obviously, as we continue to move down the road, our goal is to grow. Our goal is to grow the portfolio, grow cash flow. And remember, we're growing cash flow per share. We're not-- we're very focused on that. So I think over time, all these things will come together, and there's still more work to be done. There's a lot of wood to be chopped, and, you know, we continue to do that. We're extremely happy that we were able to do a massive amount of transactional activity and yet do, you know, have a situation where, you know, all of it ultimately was accretive, you know, without the time, you know, associated with the, with the redeployment.

Speaker #5: Our goal is to grow the portfolio, grow cash flow. And remember, we're growing cash flow per share. We're not—we're very focused on that.

Speaker #5: So I think, over time, these things will come together. And there's still more work to be done. There's a lot of wood to be chopped.

Speaker #5: And we continue to do that. We're extremely happy that we were able to do a massive amount of transactional activity and yet do have a situation where all of it ultimately was accretive.

Speaker #5: Without the time associated with the redeployment. So, I think we—I understand what you're saying. And the idea of taking leverage up, we've been around a long time.

John Kite: So I think I understand what you're saying, and the idea of taking leverage up, you know, we've been around a long time. We've seen a lot of different cycles, and running a business lower leverage is a smart thing to do. Obviously, we're now at, as you said, below where we intend on running, and it also has a lot to do with where things can trade, where interest rates are. So over time, I think that will also come to us. I think there'll be a better situation for us to deploy capital more accretively just in straight up acquisitions. But right now, that's more challenging. So I think we'll continue.

Speaker #5: We've seen a lot of different cycles, and running a business with lower leverage is a smart thing to do. Obviously, we're now at, as you said, below where we intend on running.

Speaker #5: And it also has a lot to do with where things can trade, where interest rates are. So, over time, I think that will also come to us.

Speaker #5: I think there'll be a better situation for us to deploy capital more accretively just in straight-up acquisitions, but right now that's more challenging.

Speaker #5: So I think we'll continue. That's a long way of saying we love running a company with low leverage that gives us opportunities to take advantage of that down the road, like we've done in the past.

John Kite: That's a long way of saying, we love running a company with low leverage that gives us opportunities to take advantage of that down the road, like we've done in the past. And so I, I think you'll see us take advantage of that great balance sheet, but right now we're positioning ourselves to do that.

Speaker #5: And so I think you'll see us take advantage of that great balance sheet. But right now, we're positioning ourselves to do that. You know, what I'd also like to say—if you think about it, on a relative basis, why did we underperform in terms of growth? Well, a lot of it was because of the credit watchlist and the credit losses.

Heath Fear: You know what I'd also like, Craig, if you think about it, you know, on a relative basis, you know, why did we underperform in terms of growth? Well, a lot of it was because of the credit watch list and the credit losses. So, you know, the exercise we're doing, we're addressing the fundamental building blocks of growth, which is de-risking the cash flow, which means making sure that we don't have fallout in a disproportionate way, and also improving our embedded bumps by shedding assets that have lower bumps. So while, yes, we could lever up and we could create growth that way, I think it's addressing the fundamental issue first, and, you know, getting the portfolio in a position where we can outperform growth.

Speaker #5: And so the exercise we're doing, we're addressing the fundamental building blocks of growth, which is de-risking the cash flow, which means making sure that we don't have fallout in a disproportionate way.

Speaker #5: And also improving our embedded bumps by shedding assets that have lower bumps. So while, yes, we could lever up and we could create growth that way, I think it's addressing the fundamental issue first and getting the portfolio in a position where we can outperform growth.

Heath Fear: And as John said, it's not about this year or next year, or, you know, it's about the next five years. We're trying to make changes that are going to be sticky. Because at the end of the day, you know, all the occupancy growth, at some point, everyone's going to stabilize, and we'd like to be in a position, as John said, that we have 200 basis points of embedded escalators. We're starting at a place ahead of many of our peers. So that's the whole point of the exercise. It is growth.

Speaker #5: And as John said, it's not about this year or next year; it's about the next five years. We're trying to make changes that are going to be sticky.

Speaker #5: Because at the end of the day, all the occupancy growth—at some point, everyone’s going to stabilize. And we’d like to be in a position, as John said, that we have 200 basis points of embedded escalators.

Speaker #5: We're starting at a place ahead of many of our peers. So that's the whole point of the exercise—it is growth.

Speaker #1: Great. Thank you.

John Kite: Great. Thank you.

Craig Mailman: Great. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Your line is now open.

Bryan McCarthy: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Your line is now open.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Your line is now open.

Michael Goldsmith: Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Heath, quick question just about the flow-through from same-property NOI to the FFO growth. You know, it seems like you're not getting that good flow-through here, and you're also getting a benefit of interest expense of $0.03. So can you just walk through the factors that are limiting the flow-through, and then does that get better in the out years? Thanks.

Speaker #1: Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. He questioned just about the flow-through from same property at OY to the FFO growth. It seems like you're not getting that good flow-through here.

Speaker #1: And you're also getting a benefit of interest expense of $0.03. So can you just walk through the factors that are limiting the flow-through?

Speaker #1: And does that get better in the out years? Thanks.

Heath Fear: Yeah, I think the two big items that are limiting the flow-through are really the recurring but unpredictables. Again, that's a $0.04 headwind into this year. And as I mentioned before, we're starting with a number; that number could grow over the course of the year. And then the second thing, and the good news about this one's really going to diminish, is the $0.035 of non-cash. Still, that's that merger burn off of non-cash items. And, you know, illustrative is the fact that our Core and our NAREIT FFO are on top of each other this year. It just shows you that that's now normalizing. So that's been a consistent theme, you know, over the last three years.

Speaker #5: Yeah, I think the two big items that are limiting the flow-through are really the recurring but unpredictables. Again, that's a $0.04 headwind into this year.

Speaker #5: And as I mentioned before, we're starting with a number. That number could grow over the course of the year. And then the second thing—and the good news about this one is it's really going to diminish—is the 3.5 cents of non-cash still lets that merger burn off of non-cash items.

Speaker #5: And illustrative is the fact that our Core and our NAV FFO are on top of each other this year. It just shows you that that's now normalizing.

Speaker #5: So that's been a consistent theme over the last three years. In fact, a total of $0.135 cumulatively over the past three years has really impacted our earnings growth.

Heath Fear: In fact, a total of $0.135 cumulatively over the past three years has really impacted our, our earnings growth. So those are the two drivers of why it's not flowing through onto the FFO line.

Speaker #5: So, those are the two drivers of why it's not flowing through onto the FFO line.

Michael Goldsmith: Thanks, thanks for that, Heath. And then just to follow up, you know, you've been buying back stock at $23 in Q4 and towards the end of the quarter, you know, closer to $24. Stock's now moving a bit higher. Like, how, how are you thinking about, you know, how are you thinking about share repurchases? You know, what, what's the right level, and at what point do you move away from that into some other areas where there are other capital allocation options where there may be more accretive? Thanks.

Speaker #1: Thanks for that, Heath. And then just to follow up, you've been buying back stock at $23 in the fourth quarter, and towards the end of the quarter, closer to $24. The stock's now moving a bit higher.

Speaker #1: How are you thinking about how are you thinking about share repurchases? What's the right level? And at what point do you move away from that into some other areas where there are other capital allocation options where there may be more accretive?

Speaker #1: Thanks.

Speaker #5: Yeah, I mean there's obviously a lot that goes into the analysis of the stock buybacks. We still believe, even wherever we are right this second, we're clearly well below consensus NAV.

John Kite: ... Yeah, I mean, there's obviously a lot that goes into the analysis of the stock buybacks. You know, we still believe even wherever we are right this second, we're clearly well below consensus NAV. You know, a lot has to do with you know what is the source of that buyback in terms of the core yield on that. If there's more asset sales, that would be funding that. As he said, you know, we still have some deployment of the $400+ million that we had at the end of the year that needs to be deployed. So, I mean, we analyze it, you know, in multiple ways.

Speaker #5: A lot has to do with what is the source of that buyback in terms of the core yield on that. If there's more asset sales that would be funding that, as he said, we still have some deployment of the $400-plus million that we had at the end of the year that needs to be deployed.

Speaker #5: So, I mean, we analyze it in multiple ways. And again, we're trying to do all this and maintain a really healthy balance sheet, and not have any material issues relative to earnings.

John Kite: And again, we're trying to do all this and maintain a really healthy balance sheet, and not have any material, you know, issues relative to earnings. So yeah, it's not a simple exercise, but I think we can execute on it. And again, we still trade at a significant discount, you know, even as we sit here today. So I think, as we said, we want to take advantage of any arbitrage opportunities that we can, to position the company to grow further in the future. So that's really what this is all about. It's not a one-dimensional exercise. There's a lot going on here, and we have a really strong belief, a real conviction, that our portfolio will perform in the future.

Speaker #5: So yeah, it's not a simple exercise. But I think we can execute on it. And again, we still trade at a significant discount, even as we sit here today.

Speaker #5: So I think, as we said, we want to take advantage of any arbitrage opportunities that we can to position the company to grow further in the future.

Speaker #5: So, that's not a one-dimensional exercise. There's a lot going on here, and we have a really strong belief—a real conviction—that our portfolio will perform in the future.

Speaker #1: Thank you very much. Good luck in 2026.

Alexander Goldfarb: Thank you very much. Good luck in 2026.

Michael Goldsmith: Thank you very much. Good luck in 2026.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

John Kite: Thank you.

Bryan McCarthy: Our next question comes from the line of Floris Van Dijck with Ladenburg. Your line is now open.

Speaker #6: Our next question comes from the line of Floris van Dijkum with Lattenberg. Your line is now open.

Speaker #7: Hey, morning, guys. I'm glad the capital allocation topic is being discussed widely. I'm just curious—I note that you sold a bunch of assets in the fourth quarter, yet your S&O pipeline hasn't really moved.

Operator: Hey, morning, guys. I'm glad the capital allocation topic is being discussed widely. You know, I'm just curious. I note that you're-- you sold a bunch of assets in the fourth quarter, yet your SNO pipeline hasn't really moved. Maybe if you can talk a little bit about where that SNO is located, and, you know, and how does that impact potential sales? Because presumably, you wouldn't want to, you know, sell assets until the rents are in place.

Floris van Dijkum: Hey, morning, guys. I'm glad the capital allocation topic is being discussed widely. You know, I'm just curious. I note that you're-- you sold a bunch of assets in the fourth quarter, yet your SNO pipeline hasn't really moved. Maybe if you can talk a little bit about where that SNO is located, and, you know, and how does that impact potential sales? Because presumably, you wouldn't want to, you know, sell assets until the rents are in place.

Speaker #7: Maybe if you can talk a little bit about where that S&O is located, and how that impacts potential sales? Because, presumably, you wouldn't want to sell assets until the rents are in place.

Tyler Henshaw: Floris, so, good question. For the assets we sold, there was about $1.6 million of signed not open NOI that we sold. And if you heard my remarks, I said that we actually increased it by $4 million once you take those dispositions into account. So it was a really, it's a healthy growth. And as we mentioned, you know, we expect the SNO pipelines to remain elevated. We expect the gap between our leased and occupied rates to remain elevated throughout the course of the year as we continue to lease up.

Speaker #5: Floris, so, good question. For the assets we sold, there was about $1.6 million of signed—not open—NOI that we sold. If you heard my remarks, I said that we actually increased it by $4 million once you take those dispositions into account.

Speaker #5: So, it was a really healthy growth. And as we mentioned, we expect the SNOW pipeline to remain elevated. We expect the gap between our leased and occupied rate to remain elevated throughout the course of the year.

Speaker #5: As we continue to lease up.

Speaker #4: Yeah. I think, Floris, in terms of this idea—would you not sell things that still had upside? I mean, you've got to analyze each individual deal, the quality of the asset.

John Kite: Yeah, I think, Floris, in terms of this idea that, you know, would you not sell things that still had upside? I mean, we-- you, you got to analyze each individual deal, the quality of the asset. Do we want to spend the capital on a particular box deal? And how do we-- what, what are the returns on that deal versus the returns that we generate by selling? So, you know, those are the things you look at as it relates to that.

Speaker #4: Do we want to spend the capital on a particular box deal? And how do we—what are the returns on that deal versus the returns that we generate by selling?

Speaker #4: So those are the things you look at as it relates to that.

Speaker #7: Thanks, John. But maybe I'd note that you haven't sold your two big land parcels yet—Caroline and Ontario. I know that Ontario was going through an entitlement process.

Operator: Thanks, John. But maybe, you know, I note that you haven't sold your, your two big land parcels yet, Carillon and Ontario. I know that Ontario was going through an entitlement process. Could you maybe update us on where that entitlement process stands today?

Floris van Dijkum: Thanks, John. But maybe, you know, I note that you haven't sold your, your two big land parcels yet, Carillon and Ontario. I know that Ontario was going through an entitlement process. Could you maybe update us on where that entitlement process stands today?

Speaker #7: Could you maybe update us on where that entitlement process stands today?

Speaker #4: Sure. Tom, do you want to hit that?

John Kite: Sure. Tom, you want to hit that?

Tyler Henshaw: Yeah. Excuse me. So the entitlement process is well underway. It is lengthy for us. It's a process that will take us into 2027, but all things are moving in the right direction. We seem to have a great backup from the county and the need for housing. So we're moving in the right direction, but it is a very timely process.

Tom McGowan: Yeah. Excuse me. So the entitlement process is well underway. It is lengthy for us. It's a process that will take us into 2027, but all things are moving in the right direction. We seem to have a great backup from the county and the need for housing. So we're moving in the right direction, but it is a very timely process.

Speaker #5: Yeah, excuse me. So, the entitlement process is well underway. It is lengthy for us—it's a process that will take us into '27. But all things are moving in the right direction.

Speaker #5: We seem to have great backup from the county and the need for housing, so we're moving in the right direction, but it is a very timely process.

Speaker #5: And then, in terms of that, that's the California asset. Same thing in Carolina—we're pursuing the sale of that land. It is what it is.

John Kite: And then in terms of the-- that's the California asset. Same thing in Carillon, we're, you know, we're pursuing the sale of that land. You know, it's, it's-- it is what it is. I mean, we-- these things take time. Obviously, there's no NOI associated with that, so, you know, we want to maximize the value as opposed to rush through it. But both of these things over time will happen, and, you know, they are large parcels of land that can generate some a good source for us.

Speaker #5: I mean, these things take time. Obviously, there's no NOI associated with that. So we want to maximize the value as opposed to rush through it.

Speaker #5: But both of these things, over time, will happen. And they are large parcels of land that can generate a good source for us.

Speaker #7: Thanks, John.

Operator: Thanks, John.

Floris van Dijkum: Thanks, John.

Tyler Henshaw: Lots of work to do within the counties, for sure.

Tom McGowan: Lots of work to do within the counties, for sure.

Speaker #5: Lots of work to do within the counties, for sure.

Speaker #7: Thanks, guys.

Operator: Thanks, guys.

Floris van Dijkum: Thanks, guys.

Speaker #6: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

John Kite: Thank you.

Bryan McCarthy: Our next question comes from the line of Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Alexander Goldfarb: Hey, morning, morning out there. John, when you were talking about the dispositions this year and presumably stock buybacks, and you mentioned you want to focus on, you know, minimizing earnings disruption. Were those comments specifically on, you know, the actual earnings this year, or you were talking more on an annualized effect?

Speaker #7: Hey, morning out there. John, when you were talking about the dispositions this year and presumably stock buybacks, and you mentioned you want to focus on minimizing earnings disruption, were those comments specifically on the actual earnings this year, or were you talking more on an annualized effect?

Speaker #5: I mean, I think I'm referring to both. I mean, it's what we did in 2025, and it's what we're thinking about in 2026 as we look at what we might do in 2026, Alex.

John Kite: I mean, I think I'm referring to both. I mean, it's what we did in 2025, and it's what we're, you know, thinking about in 2026 as we look at what we might do in 2026, Alex. So we're always analyzing that. And, you know, our goal is to, as I said, is to – we want to have minimal disruption, and then we want to have maximum future growth.

Speaker #5: So we're always analyzing that. And our goal, as I said, is we want to have minimal disruption, and then we want to have maximum future growth.

Operator: Okay, and then the-

Alexander Goldfarb: Okay, and then the-

Speaker #7: Okay. And then one last thing, Alex. As John mentioned, on an annualized basis, all this stuff is accretive. But if you look at our bridge, you'll see that based on the timing of when we sold it and when we're deploying the proceeds, it was a $0.02 drag into 2026.

Tyler Henshaw: Yeah. One last thing, Alex. As John mentioned, on an annualized basis, all this stuff is accretive, but if you look at our bridge, you'll see that based on the timing of when we sold it and when we're, you know, deploying the proceeds, it was a $0.02 drag into 2026, but that drag obviously will disappear in 2027 as the, as the results are annualized.

Heath Fear: Yeah. One last thing, Alex. As John mentioned, on an annualized basis, all this stuff is accretive, but if you look at our bridge, you'll see that based on the timing of when we sold it and when we're, you know, deploying the proceeds, it was a $0.02 drag into 2026, but that drag obviously will disappear in 2027 as the, as the results are annualized.

Speaker #7: But that drag, obviously, will disappear in 2027 as the results are annualized. Okay, no, that's helpful. The second question is, I understand your rationale for selling the larger format centers.

Alexander Goldfarb: Okay. No, that, that's helpful. The second question is, you know, I understand your rationale for selling the larger format centers. You said you want to reduce, you know, some of the certain anchor exposure. On the other hand, a number of your peers have been commenting that they've seen better acquisition opportunities in the larger format. So would you just say it's sort of the randomness, like, the particular centers that you own that are on the larger side, those particular ones have issues that you want to sell, but you're still amenable to buying larger format?

Speaker #7: You said you want to reduce some of the certain anchor exposure. On the other hand, a number of your peers have been commenting that they've seen better acquisition opportunities in the larger format.

Speaker #7: So would you just say it’s sort of the randomness? The particular centers that you own that are on the larger side, those particular ones have issues that you want to sell.

Speaker #7: But you're still amenable to buying larger format? Or are you saying that, 'Hey, we've owned a variety of different-sized centers, and ultimately, we believe that the neighborhood and the lifestyle are the best, and even though others may be going for larger format, for the Kite portfolio, you don't see the larger format?' I'm trying to understand if it's the format or just the particular exposure of your tenancy that's driving the larger dispositions.

Alexander Goldfarb: Or are you saying that, "Hey, we've owned a variety of different size centers, and ultimately, we believe that the neighborhood and the lifestyle are the best, and even though others may be going for larger format, for the Kite portfolio, you don't see the larger format?" I'm trying to understand if it's the format or just the particular exposure of your tenancy that's driving the larger dispositions.

Speaker #5: I mean, I think it's more complicated than that. I think each individual company has their own goals and expectations. I think what we've said is we clearly want to reduce the total exposure to that larger power center portfolio.

John Kite: I mean, I think it's more complicated than that. I think each individual company has their own goals and expectations. You know, I think what we've said is we clearly want to reduce the total exposure to that larger power center portfolio. We didn't say we wanted to eliminate it. So we're just reducing that percentage and growing the percentage in, you know, grocery, lifestyle, mixed use, and it is paying dividends in terms of our cash flow growth for doing that. It doesn't mean that a large format center can't be a great center. It all comes down to, you know, what your cost of capital is and what your yield is and what your credit risk is, because we discount the cash flow when we look at these things.

Speaker #5: We didn't say we wanted to eliminate it. So we're reducing that percentage and growing the percentage in grocery, lifestyle, mixed-use. And it is paying dividends in terms of our cash flow growth for doing that.

Speaker #5: It doesn't mean that a large-format center can't be a great center. It all comes down to what your cost of capital is, what your yield is, and what your credit risk is.

Speaker #5: Because we discount the cash flow when we look at these things. So again, each company has their own independent goals and objectives. In our particular case, we're very focused in on this idea that if we get to 2% plus embedded rent growth in the portfolio, that is going to pay dividends for us in the future versus the assets that we sold, which were closer to 1.4% embedded growth.

John Kite: So again, each company has their own independent goals and objectives. In our particular case, we're very focused in on this idea that if we get to, you know, 2%+ embedded rent growth in the portfolio, that is gonna pay dividends for us in the future, versus the assets that we sold, which were closer to 1.4% embedded growth, and are exposed to a portfolio of tenants that have a higher degree of credit risk. That's it, Alex. It's really. And as you know, you've been around us long enough, we're real estate people. Great real estate will overcome, right? Great real estate will overcome whatever potential mistake you made on top of it.

Speaker #5: And are exposed to a portfolio of tenants that have a higher degree of credit risk. That's it, Alex, it really is. And as you know, you've been around us long enough.

Speaker #5: We're real estate people. Great real estate will overcome, right? Great real estate will overcome whatever potential mistake you made on top of it. So it's really about us owning great real estate and pivoting a bit in that other direction of where we think we can get higher growth.

John Kite: It's really about us owning great real estate and pivoted a bit in that other direction of, you know, where we think we can get higher growth.

Speaker #7: Perfect. Thank you, John.

Alexander Goldfarb: Perfect. Thank you, John.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

John Kite: Thank you.

Bryan McCarthy: Our next question comes from the line of R.J. Milligan with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of R.J. Milligan with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Speaker #6: Our next question comes from the line of RJ Milligan with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

R.J. Milligan: Hey, good morning, guys. One specific question, Heath. I was wondering if you could just sort of walk through the components of the timing of the net capital allocation activity of -$0.02. I guess my question is, if you've bought back stock early this year, you're gonna be buying more assets earlier in the year, selling assets later in the year. I would think that that would have a positive impact.

RJ Milligan: Hey, good morning, guys. One specific question, Heath. I was wondering if you could just sort of walk through the components of the timing of the net capital allocation activity of -$0.02. I guess my question is, if you've bought back stock early this year, you're gonna be buying more assets earlier in the year, selling assets later in the year. I would think that that would have a positive impact.

Speaker #8: Hey, good morning, guys. I have one specific question. I was wondering if you could just sort of walk through the components of the timing of the net capital allocation activity of negative $0.02.

Speaker #8: And I guess my question is, if you bought back stock early this year, you're going to be buying more assets earlier in the year and selling assets later in the year. I would think that that would have a positive impact.

John Kite: Well, so, yeah, you know, we bought back $300 million, $250 million in 2025, and then $50 million in 2026. We also utilized the line in 2025, which added some interest expense. And also, there's more proceeds to deploy. As we discussed, there's another $110 million of ten thirty-one acquisitions, which is not gonna happen until the middle of the year. When you put all that into the blender, RJ, timing-wise, it's just dilutive going into 2026. I mean, if you think about it, you know, we had the disposition NOI for almost all of 2025, but that's immediately being taken out. So it's not there at all for 2026.

Heath Fear: Well, so, yeah, you know, we bought back $300 million, $250 million in 2025, and then $50 million in 2026. We also utilized the line in 2025, which added some interest expense. And also, there's more proceeds to deploy. As we discussed, there's another $110 million of ten thirty-one acquisitions, which is not gonna happen until the middle of the year. When you put all that into the blender, RJ, timing-wise, it's just dilutive going into 2026. I mean, if you think about it, you know, we had the disposition NOI for almost all of 2025, but that's immediately being taken out. So it's not there at all for 2026.

Speaker #5: Well, so yeah, we bought back $300 million—$250 million in 2025, and then $50 million in 2026. We also utilized the line in 2025, which added some interest expense.

Speaker #5: And also, there's more proceeds to deploy, as we discussed. There's another $110 million of 1031 acquisitions, which is not going to happen until the middle of the year.

Speaker #5: So when you put all that into the blender, RJ, timing-wise, it's dilutive going into 2026. And if you think about it, we had the disposition NOI for almost all of 2025.

Speaker #5: But that's immediately being taken out, so it's not there at all for 2026. And so, backfilling that is the accretion from the SUR buybacks.

John Kite: And so backfilling that is the accretion from the share buybacks, but we also have to get these Ten Thirty-Ones done.

Heath Fear: And so backfilling that is the accretion from the share buybacks, but we also have to get these Ten Thirty-Ones done.

Speaker #5: But we also have to get these 1031s done.

Speaker #8: Okay, and then just bigger picture, I wanted to follow up on—and I think within guidance, it's just over $100 million of disposition activity—and it looks like, just from where we stand today, that 2027 is shaping up to be a pretty good year for actual earnings growth.

R.J. Milligan: Okay. And then just bigger picture, I wanted to follow up on and I think within guidance, it's just over $100 million of disposition activity. And it looks like, just from where we stand today, that 2027 is shaping up to be a pretty good year for actual earnings growth. You're gonna remove the non-cash headwinds. You probably, you know, have a more reasonable year-over-year comp for lease termination fee income. I'm just curious if, you know, is there a possibility like, one, what is, what is the appetite to sell additional assets? You know, is there a possibility we get to the second half of the year, and we see a larger transaction of dispositions that then would negatively impact earnings growth in 2027?

RJ Milligan: Okay. And then just bigger picture, I wanted to follow up on and I think within guidance, it's just over $100 million of disposition activity. And it looks like, just from where we stand today, that 2027 is shaping up to be a pretty good year for actual earnings growth. You're gonna remove the non-cash headwinds. You probably, you know, have a more reasonable year-over-year comp for lease termination fee income. I'm just curious if, you know, is there a possibility like, one, what is, what is the appetite to sell additional assets? You know, is there a possibility we get to the second half of the year, and we see a larger transaction of dispositions that then would negatively impact earnings growth in 2027?

Speaker #8: You're going to remove the non-cash headwinds. You're probably going to have a more reasonable year-over-year comp for lease termination fee income. I'm just curious, is there a possibility—one, what is the appetite to sell additional assets?

Speaker #8: Is there a possibility we get to the second half of the year and we see a larger transaction of dispositions that then would negatively impact earnings growth in ’27?

Speaker #5: Sure, RJ. I mean, obviously, it's too early for us to indicate what we think '27 is. That being said, I get your question. And we are going to have to see how the year plays out relative to the acquisition-disposition kind of plans.

John Kite: Sure, RJ. I mean, obviously, it's too early for us to indicate what we think 2027 is. That being said, I get your question. You know, we are gonna have to see how the year plays out relative to the acquisition disposition, you know, kind of plans. There is, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, you know, we have been clear that there's a possibility that we would look at another larger, you know, kind of transaction in terms of selling larger format centers at what we think are very attractive yields and redeploying that capital in a, you know, accretive or very minimally dilutive way, as we did this year. It would need to fall in those kind of, you know, in that bucket.

Speaker #5: As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we have been clear that there’s a possibility that we would look at another larger kind of transaction in terms of selling larger format centers at what we think are very attractive yields, and redeploying that capital in an accretive or very minimally dilutive way, as we did this year.

Speaker #5: It would need to fall in that bucket. And again, if we were to do something like that, it would be because we think that it is going to significantly increase our kind of cruising speed, as people like to say, relative to our embedded rent growth.

John Kite: And again, if we were to do something like that, it would be because we think that it is going to significantly increase, you know, our kind of cruising speed, as people like to say, relative to our embedded rent growth. Our desire is obviously to grow earnings and grow earnings with a better portfolio. And not necessarily just better, but one that is positioned to take advantage of the retail environment, is a better way of saying that. So I think it's too early to say what 2027 looks like, but, you know, those are the components of what we're looking at.

Speaker #5: Our desire is obviously to grow earnings—and grow earnings with a better portfolio. And not necessarily just better, but one that is positioned to take advantage of the retail environment is a better way of saying that.

Speaker #5: So I think it's too early, just to say what '27 looks like. But those are the components of what we're looking at.

Speaker #8: Great. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Thanks, RJ.

R.J. Milligan: ... Great. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys.

RJ Milligan: ... Great. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys.

John Kite: Thank you.

Bryan McCarthy: Our next question comes from the line of Hong Ling Zhang with JP Morgan. Your line is now open.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Hong Ling Zhang with JP Morgan. Your line is now open.

Speaker #6: Our next question comes from the line of Hong Leng Zeng with J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Speaker #9: Yeah. Hey, guys. I guess I just want to clarify—in the $115 million of non-core assets you expect to sell later this year, does that include City Center?

Hong Ling Zhang: Yeah. Hey, guys. I guess I just want to clarify, in the $115 million of non-core assets you expect to sell later this year, does that include City Center? And if so, what's the rough dollar amount you expect to get from the disposition?

Hongliang Zhang: Yeah. Hey, guys. I guess I just want to clarify, in the $115 million of non-core assets you expect to sell later this year, does that include City Center? And if so, what's the rough dollar amount you expect to get from the disposition?

Speaker #9: And if so, could you remind us what the rough dollar amount is that you expect to get from the disposition?

Speaker #5: It does include City Center, and it's mid-$50s.

John Kite: It does include City Center, and it's mid-50s.

Heath Fear: It does include City Center, and it's mid-50s.

Hong Ling Zhang: Mid-50s. Got it. And then, I guess, you talked about the potential of selling a second bucket of dispositions. Is there any color you can provide about just the, the magnitude compared to the dispositions you've already sold last year?

Hongliang Zhang: Mid-50s. Got it. And then, I guess, you talked about the potential of selling a second bucket of dispositions. Is there any color you can provide about just the, the magnitude compared to the dispositions you've already sold last year?

Speaker #9: Mid-50s. Got it. And then I guess you talked about the potential of selling a second bucket of dispositions. Is there any color you can provide about just the magnitude compared to the dispositions you've already sold last year?

Speaker #5: No, I think what we're saying is that we're studying the potential of something similar to what we did last year—not necessarily in magnitude or total size, but more so in the type of product that we would be looking to sell.

John Kite: No, I don't. I think that what we're saying is, we're studying the potential of something similar to what we did last year, not necessarily in magnitude of total size, more so in the type of product that we would be looking to sell. And again, as he said, we're still, you know, going through some of the, you know, tax kind of harvesting of losses that we wanna get for against what we've already done. So I think it's gonna depend on how this plays out. But obviously, if, you know, if the opportunity arises for us to do something similar in a similar fashion that can ultimately be accretive to the value of the business, then, you know, we'll look at that.

Speaker #5: And again, as he said, we're still going through some of the tax kind of harvesting of losses that we want to get for against what we've already done.

Speaker #5: So I think it's going to depend on how this plays out. But obviously, if the opportunity arises for us to do something similar in a similar fashion, that can ultimately be accretive to the value of the business, then we'll look at that.

Tyler Henshaw: Also, if you think about it, our current FFO yield, even at the price where it is now, is still 8%, which is gonna be wide of where we can sell assets. So, you know, if you're looking at the capital allocation cues, and John mentioned this in his comments, you know, we're viewing this as an opportunity to upgrade the quality of the portfolio while doing minimal, you know, either accretive or minimally dilutive to earnings. So, it's almost incumbent upon us to consider this again this year. So, again, we'll see how it pans out, but, you know, we'll let you know more as the year progresses.

Speaker #8: I'll also add, if you think about it, our current FFO yield, even at the price where it is now, is still 8%, which is going to be wide of where we can sell assets.

Speaker #8: So, if you're looking at the capital allocation queues—and John mentioned this in his comments—we're viewing this as an opportunity to upgrade the quality of the portfolio while doing minimal, either accretive or minimally dilutive, to earnings.

Speaker #8: So, it's almost incumbent upon us to consider this again this year. So again, we'll see how it pans out, but we'll let you know more.

Speaker #8: As the year progresses.

Hong Ling Zhang: Got it. Got it. Thank you.

Hongliang Zhang: Got it. Got it. Thank you.

Speaker #9: Got it. Got it. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Wesley Golladay with Baird. Your line is now open.

Bryan McCarthy: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Wesley Golliday with Baird. Your line is now open.

Speaker #10: Hey, good morning, guys. I want to go back to the comment you had, John, about getting better terms on the anchor leasing, but also— that's right— but also you're getting no co-tenancy, and I'm just wondering if that's going to kick off any redevelopments for you on the retail side?

Wesley Golladay: Hey, good morning, guys. I wanna go back to the comment you had, John, about, you know, getting, you know, better terms on the anchor leasing, but you're also, you know, that's great, but also you're getting, you know, no co-tenancy, and I'm just wondering if that's gonna kick off any redevelopments for you on the retail side.

Speaker #5: Yeah. Hey, Wes. I think what we're saying is, overall, we're in a position of strength, and we're doing everything we can to improve a myriad of different deal terms.

John Kite: Yeah. Hey, Wes, I think what we're saying is, overall, you know, we're in a position of strength, and we're doing everything we can to improve a myriad of different deal terms. You know, you don't eliminate all these things overnight. For example, you know, we didn't say we're eliminating co-tenancy, we're saying we're improving it. We're improving our rent growth. We're improving the terms in terms of, you know, obviously, looking to limit future fixed options, which we've been doing. But if you just look at what we did in one year relative to the peer group, to grow our embedded rent growth, you know, to close to 1.8%, I think that tells the story for the future. And that's really what this is all about.

Speaker #5: You don't eliminate all these things overnight. For example, we didn't say we were eliminating co-tenancy. We're saying we're improving it. We're improving our rent growth.

Speaker #5: We're improving the terms in terms of, obviously, looking to limit future fixed options, which we've been doing. But if you just look at what we did in one year relative to the peer group, to grow our embedded rent growth to close to 1.8%, I think that tells the story for the future.

Speaker #5: And that's really what this is all about. The fact that we were able to do that and buy back 6% of our shares at a significant discount to value—we had a hell of a productive year.

John Kite: The fact that we were able to do that and buy back 6% of our shares at a significant discount to value, we had a hell of a productive year. And we laid out a business plan in the beginning of last year, which we were very clear with the street, and we executed on that plan. And that's what we intend to keep doing. You know, so I think, I think. And again, the backdrop of the business is strong. So we. You have to take advantage of these things 'cause things move around, things change, and when you have. Then that's why you've got a balance sheet like ours, so that you can ebb and flow with those changes. So we feel very good about that.

Speaker #5: And we laid out a business plan in the beginning of last year, which we were very clear with the Street, and we executed on that plan.

Speaker #5: And that's what we intend to keep doing. So I think, and again, the backdrop of the business is strong. So you have to take advantage of these things because things move around.

Speaker #5: Things change. And that's why you've got to have a balance sheet like ours, so that you can ebb and flow with those changes.

Speaker #5: So, we feel very good about that.

Speaker #9: And then one other thing to add on better term, one other thing to add on better terms, this isn't occurring by sending a redraft of a lease to a company saying, "Hey, we would want this or this." What we're trying to do is take it directly to the companies and have an open conversations about, "Hey, here's the direction that we have to move in." And that has been helping us because it needs to be a very blunt and candid conversation about, "Here is what Kite needs and here is the best way for us to get it and make it also work for you."

Tyler Henshaw: One other thing to add on better terms, you know, this isn't occurring by sending a redraft of a lease to a company saying, "Hey, we would want this or this." What we're trying to do is take it directly to the companies and having open conversations about, "Hey, here's, here's the direction that we have to move in," and, and that has been helping us 'cause it, it needs to be a very blunt and candid conversation about, here is what Kite needs, and here is the best way for us to get it and make it also work for you.

Speaker #10: Well, thanks for that. And then going back to the comment about improving the cruising speed, it looks like you added 24 basis points over the last two years.

Wesley Golladay: Well, thanks for that. And then, you know, going back to the comment about improving the cruising speed, it looks like you added 24 basis points over the last two years. I imagine you touched about maybe half the leases. So would that be a good extrapolation for maybe increasing it another almost 25 basis points the next two years?

Speaker #10: I imagine you touched about maybe half the leases. So, would that be a good extrapolation for maybe increasing it another almost 25 bps the next two years?

Speaker #5: I mean, I think we said we feel like we're very close to this in the near term getting to 2%. If you just look if you look at our investor presentation, you'll see that in the small for example, on the small shop side, 62% of our deals in 2025, 62%.

John Kite: I mean, I think we said we feel like we're very close to this, you know, in the near term, getting to 2%. You know, if you just look - if you look at our investor presentation, you'll see that, you know, in the, on the small - for example, on the small shop side, you know, 62% of our deals in 2025, 62% were at 4% or better. I have not heard that stat from anybody else anywhere near that. So I think, you know, yes, we continue to push that. It reflects the growing quality of the portfolio as well and the mixture of the portfolio that we're working towards. So I think, Wes, that that is absolutely in our sights, and we'll continue to get there.

Speaker #5: We're at 4% or better. I have not heard that stat from anybody else anywhere near that. So I think, yes, we continue to push that.

Speaker #5: It reflects the growing quality of the portfolio as well, and the mixture of the portfolio that we're working towards. So I think, Wes, that that is absolutely in our sights.

Speaker #5: And we'll continue to get there. And then, if you look at the others that are at 2 or better, I would tell you they trade at a significant multiple premium than we do.

John Kite: And then if you look at the others that are at two or better, I would tell you they trade at a significant multiple premium than we do. So that's part of this as well, is that eventually, as we pivot this portfolio into this direction, people will recognize that.

Speaker #5: So, that's part of this as well, is that eventually, as we pivot this portfolio into this direction, people will recognize that.

Speaker #10: Okay. Thanks for the time.

Wesley Golladay: Thanks for the time.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

John Kite: Thank you.

Speaker #6: Thank you. And I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to hand the call back over to John Kite for closing remarks.

Bryan McCarthy: Thank you. And I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. I'd now like to hand the call back over to John Kite for closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. And I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. I'd now like to hand the call back over to John Kite for closing remarks.

Speaker #5: Well, great. Really appreciate the time spent today and the great questions. And we will probably be seeing a lot of you in the next couple of weeks.

John Kite: Well, great. Really appreciate the time spent today and the great questions. And we will probably be seeing a lot of you in the next couple of weeks. Thank you.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

Bryan McCarthy: This concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Operator: This concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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