Q4 2025 Caris Life Sciences Inc Earnings Call

February 26, 2026

Speaker #1: Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Caris Life Sciences, Q4, 2025 earnings call. My name is Dana, and I will be your coordinator today.

Operator: Good afternoon, everyone, welcome to the Caris Life Sciences Q4 2025 earnings call. My name is Dana, I will be your coordinator today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will hear an automated message advising that your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker, Russ Denton. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #1: Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Earlier today, Caris Life Sciences released financial results for the quarter-on-year ended December 31, 2025. During the call from Caris today, our David Dean Halbert, our founder, chairman, and CEO; David Spetzler, our president; Brian Burley, our vice chairman and EVP; Bobby Hill, our chief commercial officer; and Luke Power, our CFO.

Russ Denton: Thank you. Earlier today, Caris Life Sciences released financial results for the quarter and year ended 31 December 2025. Joining the call from Caris today are David Dean Halbert, our Founder, Chairman, and CEO, David Spetzler, our President, Brian Brille, our Vice Chairman and EVP, Bobby Hill, our Chief Commercial Officer, and Luke Power, our CFO. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that during this call, management will make forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws. These statements involve material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated. These risks are discussed in our SEC filings, including our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and our annual report on Form 10-K to be filed with the SEC.

Speaker #2: Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that during this call, management will make forward-looking statements within the meeting of federal securities laws. These statements involve material risk and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated.

Speaker #2: These risks are discussed in our SEC filings, including our quarterly reports on Form 10Q and our annual report on Form 10K to be filed with the SEC.

Russ Denton: Assessed as required by law, Caris disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise financial projections and forward-looking statements, whether because of new information, future events, or otherwise. The information discussed in this conference call is accurate only as of the live broadcast. This call will also include a discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, which are adjusted to exclude certain specified items. The reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures and most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are available in the press release Caris issued today. A copy of today's presentation materials, along with an interim readout of our Q1 study, can be found on our website. I will now turn the call over to Brian.

Speaker #2: Assessed as required by law, Caris disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise financial projections and forward-looking statements whether because of new information, future events, or otherwise.

Speaker #2: The information discussed in this conference call is accurate only as of the live broadcast. This call will also include a discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, which are adjusted to exclude certain specified items.

Speaker #2: The reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures most directly comparable GAAP financial measures is available in the press release Caris issued today. A copy of today's presentation materials along with an interim readout of our Q1 study can be found on our website.

Speaker #2: I will now turn the call over to Brian.

Speaker #3: Thanks, Russ. And thank you all for joining our fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. This is our first year-end call as a public company following our June IPO last year, and we're pleased to report another record-breaking quarter.

Brian Brille: Thanks, Russ, thank you all for joining our Q4 2025 earnings call. This is our first year-end call as a public company following our June IPO last year, we're pleased to report another record-breaking quarter, finishing the year with excellent performance across the company in terms of growth and underlying financial strength. I want to start with what has always mattered most at Caris, our mission. Caris was founded to make precision medicine a reality. We aim to fundamentally change the way disease is characterized and treated. We believe more information is more power, every patient deserves more power in the battle against disease. That mission is being powered by a molecular platform which benefits from scale and highly differentiated capabilities, as illustrated on slide 3. Our platform continues to scale, in 2025, we completed just under 200,000 individual cases.

Speaker #3: Finishing the year with excellent performance across the company, in terms of growth and underlying financial strength. I want to start with what has always mattered most at Caris, our mission: Caris was founded to make precision medicine a reality.

Speaker #3: We aim to fundamentally change the way disease is characterized and treated. We believe more information is more power, and every patient deserves more power in the battle against disease.

Speaker #3: That mission is being powered by a molecular platform which benefits from scale and highly differentiated capabilities as illustrated on slide 3. Our platform continues to scale, and in 2025, we completed just under 200,000 individual cases.

Speaker #3: With this clinical activity, we have recently reached a platform milestone as our molecular data set now exceeds over 1 million profiled cases and has grown into one of the most important clinical genomic resources in the industry.

Brian Brille: With this clinical activity, we have recently reached a platform milestone as our molecular data set now exceeds over 1 million profiled cases and has grown into one of the most important clinical genomic resources in the industry. As the industry evolves, the intersection of molecular science and AI is accelerating technological innovation. Our philosophy is a long-term strategic orientation to develop the best offerings on the market and to pursue this innovation while generating profitable growth and maintaining financial strength. We've had an outstanding Q4, with total revenues increasing 125% year-over-year to $293 million. As demonstrated on slide 4, this result was driven primarily by strong performance from clinical profiling. Molecular profiling services revenues increased to $282 million in the Q4, representing an increase of 199% year-over-year.

Speaker #3: As the industry evolves, the intersection of molecular science and AI is accelerating technological innovation. Our philosophy is a long-term strategic orientation to develop the best offerings on the market and to pursue this innovation while generating profitable growth and maintaining financial strength.

Speaker #3: We have had an outstanding fourth quarter with total revenues increasing $125% year over year to $293 million. As demonstrated on slide 4, this result was driven primarily by strong performance from clinical profiling.

Speaker #3: Molecular profiling services revenues increased to $282 million in the fourth quarter, representing an increase of 199% year over year. Pharma R&D services revenues were $10.8 million in the fourth quarter, and we're making important progress in CDx, data, discovery, including the December announcement of the Genentech Discovery deal, as well as a CDx collaboration.

Brian Brille: Pharma R&D services revenues were $10.8 million in Q4. We're making important progress in CDX data discovery, including the December announcement of the Genentech discovery deal, as well as a CDX collaboration. In summary, across the board, we had a very productive Q4, illustrated by the quarter highlights on slide five. The strong revenue performance, combined with the operating leverage inherent in our business model, has produced excellent financial results, including the following. Revenue growth of 125%, which was driven by volume growth of 20% and a 150% increase in clinical ASP. This revenue growth has led to significantly improved gross margins of 75% on a GAAP basis, up from 54% in Q4 2024. It also represents a significant sequential increase from the 68% in Q3.

Speaker #3: In summary, across the board, we had a very productive fourth quarter, illustrated by the quarter highlights on slide 5. The strong revenue performance, combined with the operating leverage inherent in our business model, has produced excellent financial results, including the following: revenue growth of $125%, which was driven by volume growth of 20% and a $150% increase in clinical ASP.

Speaker #3: This revenue growth has led to significantly improved gross margins of 75% on a GAAP basis, up from 54% in the fourth quarter of 2024.

Speaker #3: It also represents a significant sequential increase from the 68% in the third quarter. With this gross margin improvement, this quarter we generated positive GAAP net income of $82 million, adjusted EBITDA of $106 million, as well as positive free cash flow of $39.7 million.

Brian Brille: With this gross margin improvement, this quarter, we generated positive GAAP net income of $82 million and adjusted EBITDA of $106 million, as well as positive free cash flow of $39.7 million. This is our third straight quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA and positive free cash flow. This strong profitability profile is unique in our industry and provides valuable strategic flexibility for ongoing investment in our tech platform for new products, as well as the ability to develop new channels such as MCED. In addition, our balance sheet continues to strengthen, with cash on hand growing to slightly above $800 million, an increase of $43 million in the quarter. The Caris data set has continued to grow with our clinical profiling activity and now exceeds 1 million genomic profiles and 740,000 matched profiles.

Speaker #3: This is our third straight quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA and positive free cash flow. This strong profitability profile is unique in our industry and provides valuable strategic flexibility for ongoing investment in our tech platform for new products, as well as the ability to develop new channels such as MSED.

Speaker #3: In addition, our balance sheet continues to strengthen, with cash on hand growing to slightly above $800 million—an increase of $43 million in the quarter.

Speaker #3: The Caris data set has continued to grow with our clinical profiling activity and now exceeds $1 million genomic profiles, and $740,000 match profiles. Since every profile has been generated with our WES/WTS technology for many years, our data set now features 627,000 exomes transcriptomes.

Brian Brille: Since every profile has been generated with our WES/WTS technology for many years, our data set now features 627,000 exomes and 678,000 transcriptomes. This gives our data set tremendous power for internal product development, as well as attractiveness as a research partner for academic medical centers through the POA, as well as for biopharma. As our results demonstrate, our financial performance gives us unique strategic flexibility, and we intend to use that edge in 2026 to make significant investments in both the early detection business and our therapy selection channel. In early detection, we expect to realize the long-standing vision of our CEO, David Halbert, of launching a revolutionary cancer early detection test. Caris Detect has the potential to bend the cancer mortality curve and ultimately make cancer a curable disease.

Speaker #3: This gives our data set tremendous power for internal product development, as well as attractiveness as a research partner for academic medical centers through the POA, as well as for biopharma.

Speaker #3: As a result, demonstrate our financial performance gives us unique strategic flexibility, and we intend to use that edge in 2026 to make significant investments in both the early detection business and our therapy selection channel.

Speaker #3: In early detection, we expect to realize the longstanding vision of our CEO, David Halbert, of launching a revolutionary cancer early detection test. Caris Detect has the potential to bend the cancer mortality curve and ultimately make cancer a curable disease.

Speaker #3: We believe that the implications for this test are truly profound, both for Caris and for our society. In our core therapy selection business, we plan to invest in our commercial channel to broaden our reach and deepen our relationships to accelerate growth.

Brian Brille: We believe that the implications for this test are truly profound, both for Caris and for our society. In our core therapy selection business, we plan to invest in our commercial channel to broaden our reach and deepen our relationships to accelerate growth. We have a new Chief Commercial Officer, Bobby Hill, who took on this responsibility in Q4. We're extremely excited about the opportunities we face and the new initiatives that Bobby is driving, ranging from the expansion of the sales force and territories to enhanced programming and education. Finally, we will make these investments while maintaining positive adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow. These financial pillars of strength will allow us to realize our mission of making precision medicine a reality to benefit patients and physicians.

Speaker #3: We have a new chief commercial officer for Bobby Hill, who took on this responsibility in the fourth quarter. We're extremely excited about the opportunities we face and the new initiatives that Bobby is driving.

Speaker #3: Ranging from the expansion of the sales force and territories to enhanced programming and education. Finally, we will make these investments while maintaining positive adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow.

Brian Brille: Finally, we will make these investments while maintaining positive adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow. These financial pillars of strength will allow us to realize our mission of making precision medicine a reality to benefit patients and physicians. I will now turn the presentation over to Bobby Hill to provide an update on our commercial business and related strategic initiatives. Bobby?

Speaker #3: Our strategy is to maintain financial discipline through a strong balance sheet and profitability, and these financial pillars of strength will allow us to realize our mission of making precision medicine a reality to benefit patients and physicians.

Speaker #3: I will now turn the presentation over to Bobby Hill to provide an update on our commercial business and related strategic initiatives. Bobby?

Brian Brille: I will now turn the presentation over to Bobby Hill to provide an update on our commercial business and related strategic initiatives. Bobby?

Speaker #2: Thanks, Brian. I will provide a brief update on our molecular profiling business, along with our initiatives for the commercial teams, in 2026. Starting on slide 6, this shows our strong molecular profiling revenues performance for the full year, with revenues increasing $120% % to $766.7 million.

Bobby Hill: Thanks, Brian. I will provide a brief update on our molecular profiling business along with our initiatives for the commercial teams in 2026. Starting on slide 6, this shows our strong molecular profiling revenues performance for the full year, with revenues increasing 120% to $766.7 million. This excellent revenue growth was driven by a 22% year-over-year growth in clinical case volumes to approximately 199,300 profiles, and a 79% increase in average sales price, reflecting our market access and billing team's strong execution throughout 2025.

Speaker #2: This excellent revenue growth was driven by a 20% year-over-year growth in clinical case volumes, to approximately $199,300 profiles, and a $79% increase in average sales price reflecting our market access and billing team's strong execution throughout 2025.

Speaker #2: This ASP growth was driven by our successful launch of My Cancer Seek on January 1st of last year, and these benefits are reflective on the slide.

Bobby Hill: This ASP growth was driven by our successful launch of myCancerSeq on 1 January of last year. These benefits are reflected on the slide, where tissue ASP increased by 83% to over $4,000, and our blood ASP increased by 69% to just under $2,800, driven by billing our new PLA code and improvement payment for Caris Assure. Luke will discuss the breakdown of this further during the financial update, along with the trends we saw play out during 2025. This illustrates the growth that our sales team has generated in clinical profiling this year, which I am encouraged about as we see progress into 2026 already. Our Q4 growth was 20%, which was sequential improvement from 18% in Q3 2025, with Caris Assure delivering 59% year-over-year growth in Q4 2025 and continuing to gain traction.

Speaker #2: We're tissue ASP increased by 83% to over $4,000, and our blood ASP increased by 69% to just under $2,800. Driven by billing, our new PLA code, and improvement payment for Caris Assure.

Speaker #2: Luke will discuss the breakdown of this further during the financial update, along with the trends we saw play out during 2025. This illustrates the growth that our sales team has generated in clinical profiling this year, which I am encouraged about as we see progress into 2026 already.

Speaker #2: Our Q4 growth was 20%, which was sequential improvement from 18% in Q3 '25, with Caris Assure delivering 59% year-over-year growth in Q4 '25 and continuing to gain traction.

Speaker #2: Entering 2026, in order to broaden our reach and deepen our relationships to accelerate growth, we are making a continued investment in our commercial channel by expanding the sales force, including expanding our liquid specialist team, to ensure we are maximizing the impact of our excellent teams, next strengthening our product and value proposition messaging by focusing on key differentiation of our technology, and the clinical impact the advanced technology has on patient care as evidenced by data, publications, scientific literature, and enhancing our and elevating medical education and training across not just the customers we serve, but also our internal teams.

Bobby Hill: Entering 2026, in order to broaden our reach and deepen our relationships to accelerate growth, we are making a continued investment in our commercial channel by expanding the sales force, including expanding our liquid specialist team, to ensure we are maximizing the impact of our excellent teams. Next, strengthening our product and value proposition messaging by focusing on key differentiation of our technology and the clinical impact the advanced technology has on patient care, as evidenced by data, publications, scientific literature, and elevating medical education and training across not just the customers we serve, but also our internal teams. Since we are now also consistently reaching over 6,000 oncologists across the country and have EHR integrations with approximately 3,100 clinical sites, where approximately 75% of our orders come in electronically.

Speaker #2: Since we are now also consistently reaching over 6,000 oncologists across the country and have EHR integrations with approximately 3,100 clinical sites, we're approximately 75% of our orders come in electronically.

Speaker #2: This will be another area that we continue to invest from a customer and team standpoint to make ordering process more streamlined. I joined Caris because of our science and technology differentiation, and forward-thinking development of solutions, and I'm excited about continuing to expand the Caris commercial reach to help more patients as we go through 2026.

Bobby Hill: This will be another area that we continue to invest from a customer and team standpoint to make ordering process more streamlined. I joined Caris because of our science and technology differentiation and forward-thinking development of solutions. I'm excited about continuing to expand the Caris commercial reach to help more patients as we go through 2026. I will now turn the presentation over to Dr. Spetzler to discuss our progress on our product pipeline, in particular around Caris Detect. Spetz?

Speaker #2: I will now turn the presentation over to Dr. Spetzler to discuss our product, our progress, and our product pipeline in particular around Caris Detect.

Speaker #2: Spetz?

Speaker #3: Thanks, Bobby. So getting to our achieve one interim results that we wanted to share today, and I reflected on slide 8. As you are aware, this study is for supporting the upcoming launch of Caris Detect, our whole genome sequencing-based MSED blood test in Q2 of 2026.

David Spetzler: Thanks, Bobby. Getting to our ACHIEVE One interim results that we wanted to share today and are reflected on slide 8. As you are aware, this study is for supporting the upcoming launch of Caris Detect, our whole genome sequencing-based MCED blood test in Q2 2026. ACHIEVE One matters not just because it's following our philosophy to always put the patient first, which includes not limiting our development decisions based on cost, but to strive to pursue to the full extent possible the very best-performing test. This has been successful for us with our therapy selection assays, which are the most comprehensive on the market, where we run whole exome and whole transcriptome sequencing on every eligible patient sample. We are again pursuing the same path in early detection.

Speaker #3: Achieve one matters not just because it's following our philosophy to always put the patient first, which includes not limiting our development decisions based on cost, but to strive to pursue to the full extent possible the very best performing test.

Speaker #3: This has been successful for us with our therapy selection assays, which are the most comprehensive on the market, where we run whole exome and whole transcriptome sequencing on every eligible patient sample, and we are again pursuing the same path in early detection.

Speaker #3: The interim readout reflects the benefits of that approach, where we are sequencing at incredible depth across the whole genome. Our hypothesis is that cancer is fundamentally driven by molecular abnormalities and these abnormalities show up in multiple ways, driver mutations, epigenomic changes, transcriptomic changes, and aneuploidy.

David Spetzler: The interim readout reflects the benefits of that approach, where we are sequencing at incredible depth across the whole genome. Our hypothesis is that cancer is fundamentally driven by molecular abnormalities, and these abnormalities show up in multiple ways: driver mutations, epigenomic changes, transcriptomic changes, and aneuploidy. Many approaches in blood-based early detection have leaned heavily on epigenomics alone. We took a broader biological view by using ultra-deep whole genome sequencing to counter as many genomic alterations as possible. That richer signal set is what we believe is driving our performance, and it reinforces our view that relying on a limited slice of biology is not sufficient to reflect the diversity of cancer. What's also different about Caris Detect is the foundation it's built on.

Speaker #3: Many approaches in blood-based early detection have leaned heavily on epigenomics alone. We took a broader biological view by using ultra-deep whole genome sequencing to capture as many genomic alterations as possible.

Speaker #3: That richer signal set is what we believe is driving our performance, and it reinforces our view that relying on a limited slice of biology is not sufficient to reflect the diversity of cancer.

Speaker #3: What's also different about Caris Detect is the foundation it's built on. The test leverages Caris's molecular profiling datasets, which, as Brian mentioned, has now surpassed 1 million cases and includes more than 50 billion molecular markers.

David Spetzler: The test leverages Caris' molecular profiling data sets, which as Brian mentioned, has now surpassed 1 million cases and includes more than 50 billion molecular markers. That scale and depth allowed our AI models to identify subtle biological signals associated with early-stage cancers with a very high resolution utilizing the whole genome. As shown on the slide, the interim readout includes 2,122 total samples, 617 cancers spanning stages 1 through 4, and 1,505 patients with no known cancer at the time of the blood draw. A key point on the normal cohort, these control samples come from individuals who had screening or symptomatic screening, which is a higher likelihood population than the general population.

Speaker #3: That scale and depth allowed our AI models to identify subtle biological signals associated with early-stage cancers with very high resolution, utilizing the whole genome.

Speaker #3: As shown on the slide, the interim readout includes 2,122 total samples, 617 cancers spanning stages 1 through 4, and 1,505 patients with no known cancer at the time of the blood draw.

Speaker #3: A key point on the normal cohort: these control samples come from individuals who had screening or symptomatic screening, which is a higher likelihood population than the general population.

Speaker #3: We have at least one year of follow-up data on 22.5% of the normals, of which 35% we identified as our asymptomatic screening population. 121 individuals with no significant risk factors for cancer and at least one year of follow-up.

David Spetzler: We have at least one year of follow-up data on 22.5% of the normals, of which 35% we identified as our asymptomatic screening population. 121 individuals with no significant risk factors for cancer and at least one year of follow-up after the blood draw. Of note, in the total cohort, 7% of patients had a subsequent diagnosis of cancer, reflecting that the control population is truly high risk. Now to the results. From the interim readout, we observed strong sensitivity that increases with stage and high specificity.

Speaker #3: After the blood draw, of note, in the total cohort, 7% of patients had a subsequent diagnosis of cancer, reflecting that the control population is truly high risk.

Speaker #3: Now to the results. From the interim readout, we observed strong sensitivity that increases with stage and high specificity. Sensitivity stayed by stage was 56.8% in stage 1, with 266 patients, 70.1% in stage 2, with 137 patients, 77% in stage 3, with 105 patients, and 99.1% in stage 4, with 109 patients.

David Spetzler: Sensitivity by stage was 56.8% in stage one with 266 patients, 70.1% in stage two with 137 patients, 77% in stage three with 105 patients, 99.1% in stage four with 109 patients. For stage one and two combined, Achieve One reported 63.1% sensitivity. We also evaluated stage one and two sensitivity by lineage across a number of cancers. Selected examples include and are included on slide 9.

Speaker #3: For stage 1 and 2 combined, achieve one reported 63.1% sensitivity. We also evaluated stage 1 and 2 sensitivity by lineage, across a number of cancers, selected examples include and are included on slide 9.

Speaker #3: With breast cancer being 53% sensitive, across 253 patients, bowel having 62.2% sensitivity, with 45 patients, prostate 78.9%, with 38 patients, uterus 73.7%, with 19 patients, lung 86.7%, with 15 patients, pancreas 71.4%, with 7 patients, and head and neck cancer at 100%, with 7 patients.

David Spetzler: With breast cancer being 53% sensitive across 253 patients, bowel having 62.2% sensitivity with 45 patients, prostate 78.9% with 38 patients, uterus 73.7% with 19 patients, lung 86.7 with 15 patients, pancreas 71.4 with 7 patients, and head and neck cancer at 100% with 7 patients. On specificity, in which we followed 22.5% of patients for approximately 3 years following their blood draw, we demonstrated the following. 99.1% specificity in the screening population with N equal 121, which we have follow-up data on these subjects that had no symptoms of cancer, no history of cancer, and no family history of cancer, and were not subsequently diagnosed with cancer within 2 years following the blood draw.

Speaker #3: Unspecificity: in which we followed 25.2–25.5% of patients for approximately three years following their blood draw, we demonstrated the following: 99.1% specificity in the screening population, with N equal to 121, which we have follow-up data on. These subjects had no symptoms of cancer, no history of cancer, and no family history of cancer, and were not subsequently diagnosed with cancer within two years following the blood draw.

Speaker #3: 95.3% specificity in the higher risk normal population, with 1,505 patients. Of which 600 undiagnosed subjects with at least two years of follow-up, roughly 7% of patients were subsequently diagnosed with cancer.

David Spetzler: 95.3% specificity in the higher-risk normal population with 1,505 patients, of which 600 undiagnosed subjects with at least 2 years of follow-up, roughly 7% of patients, were subsequently diagnosed with cancer, indicating our enrollment criteria enriched for high-risk subjects. Overall, our model performance measured by AUC was 0.90. These are interim results which we are extremely excited about. ACHIEVE One also includes a blinded holdout validation cohort of approximately 865 samples that were held out for independent testing. That blinded validation is currently in process, and we expect to report these results in Q1.

Speaker #3: Indicating our enrollment criteria enriched for high-risk subjects. Overall, our model performance measured by AUC was 0.90. These are interim results, which we are extremely excited about.

Speaker #3: Achieve one also includes a blinded holdout validation cohort of approximately 865 samples, that were held out for independent testing. That blinded validation is currently in process, and we expect to report these results in Q1.

Speaker #3: In parallel, we have also begun processing samples from achieve two, which is the next step in the program. So to summarize, achieve one interim results show strong performance, including stage 1, 2 sensitivity of 63.1%, high specificity, and an AUC of 0.9, across a large dataset spanning 35 cancer types and with no cancer types withheld from the results.

David Spetzler: In parallel, we have also begun processing samples from Achieve Two, which is the next step in the program. To summarize, Achieve 1 interim results show strong performance, including stage 1, 2 sensitivity of 63.1%, high specificity and an AUC of 0.9 across a large data set spanning 35 cancer types and with no cancer types withheld from the results. We view this as a meaningful milestone as we move forward with the blinded holdout readout as the next key catalyst. Moving to slide 10, this also reflects the status of our robust pipeline. I'll touch on these before letting Luke wrap things up with the financials.

Speaker #3: We view this as a meaningful milestone as we move forward, with the blinded holdout readout as the next key catalyst. Moving to slide 10, this also reflects the status of our robust pipeline, and I'll touch on these before letting Luke wrap things up with the financials.

Speaker #3: First, Caris Chromoseq is our whole genome plus whole transcriptome offering focused on therapy selection in hematological malignancies, particularly AML, MDS, and MPN. And select cases of suspected myeloid malignancies were cytopenias persist and other causes have been ruled out.

David Spetzler: First, Caris ChromoSeq is our whole genome plus whole transcriptome offering focused on therapy selection in hematological malignancies, particularly AML, MDS, and MPN, select cases of suspected myeloid malignancies where cytopenias persist and other causes have been ruled out. Similar to what I discussed with detection, what matters here is depth and breadth. We're running greater than 200x coverage across the whole genome sequencing, the assay is designed to detect the full range of clinically relevant genomic alterations, mutations, fusions, copy number changes, expression, and ploidy with roughly 1.6 billion reads per patient. From a status standpoint, we have responded to MolDX's comments on our TA submission and will launch once coverage and pricing is determined.

Speaker #3: Similar to what I discussed with detection, what matters here is depth and breadth. We're running greater than 200x coverage across the whole genome sequencing, and the assay is designed to detect the full range of clinically relevant genomic alterations.

Speaker #3: Mutations, fusions, copy number changes, expression, and ploidy. With roughly 1.6 billion reads per patient. From a status standpoint, we have responded to MOLDEX comments on our TA submission and will launch once coverage and pricing is determined.

Speaker #3: Next is Caris MyClarity, which is tailored for breast cancer patients who are ER positive, HER2 negative, generally stage 1 or 2, and known node negative, or in certain cases, 1 to 3 positive nodes, particularly in postmenopausal patients.

David Spetzler: Next is Caris myClarity, which is tailored for breast cancer patients who are ER positive, HER2 negative, generally stage one or two and no negative, or in certain cases, one to three positive nodes, particularly in post-menopausal patients. This solution has two alternative offerings, one combining myProfile platform with digital AI and the other that is digital AI only. Both are intended to support both early and late recurrence risk scoring. The goal is straightforward. Improve treatment decision-making and reduce unnecessary treatment while identifying patients who truly need to be receiving therapy. Operationally, we are in launch planning and pursuing reimbursement through the two paths, the NGS plus digital AI and digital only. We expect that the digital AI only path will be faster, and it is likely that we launch that version of the product first. Importantly, both versions of myClarity offer superior performance to currently available offerings.

Speaker #3: This solution has two alternative offerings. One combining my profile platform with digital AI, and the other that is digital AI only. Both are intended to support both early and late recurrence risk scoring.

Speaker #3: The goal is straightforward: improve treatment decision-making and reduce unnecessary treatment while identifying patients who truly need to be receiving therapy. Operationally, we are in launch planning and pursuing reimbursement through the two paths.

Speaker #3: The NGS plus digital AI and digital only. We expect that the digital AI-only path will be faster, and it is likely that we launch that version of the product first.

Speaker #3: Importantly, both versions of MyClarity offer superior performance to currently available offerings. Third is Caris MRD Tumor Naive, where the intended initial use case is colorectal cancer.

David Spetzler: Third is Caris MRD Tumor-Naïve, where the intended initial use case is colorectal cancer. The clinical intent here is minimal residual disease assessment in patients with stage 2 and 3 solid tumors post curative intent treatment, helping to inform adjuvant therapy decision window. Importantly, this is designed to work from a whole blood sample without requiring an individualized tumor-informed assay build. As previously discussed, MolDX requested additional data, and we are working on creating and compiling that data and will provide updates as we progress on that front. Then Caris MRD Tumor-Informed, which is our whole genome approach intended for pan-tumor applications in stage 1, 2, and 3 disease. This is based on tumor normal whole genome sequencing to identify patient-specific trackers with a proprietary approach designed to minimize false negatives.

Speaker #3: The clinical intent here is minimal residual disease assessment in patients with stage 2 and stage 3 solid tumors post-curative intent treatment, helping to inform the adjuvant therapy decision window.

Speaker #3: Importantly, this is designed to work from the whole blood sample without requiring an individualized tumor-informed assay build. As previously discussed, MOLDEX requested additional data and we are working on creating and compiling that data and will provide updates as we progress on that front.

Speaker #3: And then Caris MRD tumor informed, which is our whole genome approach intended for pan-tumor applications in stage 1, 2, and 3 disease. This is based on tumor normal whole genome sequencing to identify patient-specific trackers with a proprietary approach designed to minimize false negatives.

Speaker #3: The strategy is to maximize tracker count and to reach ultra-low PPN detection capability, because in MRD, sensitivity at very low levels is required. We've initiated development and launch planning and we will continue to provide updates as we progress throughout the year.

David Spetzler: The strategy is to maximize tracker count and to reach ultra-low PPM detection capability because in MRD, sensitivity at very low levels is required. We have initiated development and launch planning, and we will continue to provide updates as we progress throughout the year. We have also launched five new AI signatures on our Molecular Tumor Board report that is available to physicians as part of our MI Cancer Seek in breast, pancreatic, brain, lung, and ovarian cancer. These signatures offer insights into which patients will benefit from available approved therapies and show how our whole exome, whole transcriptome strategy provides the best therapeutic guidance and demonstrates how profiling is becoming more proprietary and not commoditized. Small panels of hundreds of genes are not sufficient to offer these types of insights.

Speaker #3: We have also launched five new AI signatures on our molecular tumor board report that is available to visit two physicians as part of our My Cancer Seq in breast, pancreatic, brain, lung, and ovarian cancer.

Speaker #3: These signatures offer insight into which patients will benefit from available approved therapies and show how our whole exome, whole transcriptome strategy provides the best therapeutic guidance, and demonstrates how profiling is becoming more proprietary and not commoditized.

Speaker #3: Small panels of hundreds of genes are not sufficient to offer these types of insights. As Brian referenced in the investment strategy, our goal this year will be to continue to push on all pipeline activities as quickly as possible in order to make these comprehensive solutions available to improve the lives of patients.

David Spetzler: As Brian referenced in the investment strategy, our goal this year will be to continue to push on all pipeline activities as quickly as possible in order to make these comprehensive solutions available to improve the lives of patients. I will stop here and now pass it over to Luke for the financial updates. Luke?

Speaker #3: I will stop here and now pass it over to Luke for the financial updates. Luke?

Luke Power: Thanks, David. As Brian stated earlier, we had another outstanding quarter in terms of financial performance. I'll run through some selected highlights prior to getting to the 2026 guidance. Turning to the financial overview slide, you can see we delivered another great quarter and finished our first year end as a public company very strong, with total revenue increasing 97% for the full year, reflecting exceptional organic performance across the business. As part of this, you will notice that our final revenue numbers for Q4 and the year is about $12 million higher than our preliminary January numbers. This is the result of seeing continued positive collections from payers. We adjusted our accrued ASP rates in Q4 2025 to account for these additional collections.

Speaker #2: Thanks, David. As Brian stated earlier, we had another outstanding quarter in terms of financial performance. So I'll run through some selected highlights prior to getting to the 2026 guidance.

Speaker #2: Turning to the financial overview slide, you can see we delivered another great quarter and finished our first year-end as a public company very strong.

Speaker #2: With total revenue increasing 97% for the full year, reflecting exceptional organic performance across the business. As part of this, you will notice that our final revenue numbers for Q4 and the year are about $12 million higher than our preliminary January numbers.

Speaker #2: And this is the result of seeing continued positive collections from payers, so we adjusted our crude ASP rates in Q4 of '25 to account for these additional collections.

Speaker #2: The main driver of our 2025 growth, as expected, was our molecular profiling business, which grew 120% compared to 2024, due to this ASP upstep, along with the volume growth.

Luke Power: The main driver of our 2025 growth, as expected, was our molecular profiling business, which grew 120% compared to 2024, due to this ASP upstep along with the volume growth. Our therapy selection volumes were up 20% for the quarter and 22% year-over-year, slightly above our expectations and an improvement from the Q3 growth rate of 18% that Bobby mentioned. As discussed publicly in January, while our pharma revenue was down year-over-year, we were happy with how it finished with our target discovery announcement with Genentech and fully expect to continue to build on that momentum into 2026 as we start to recognize revenue from that deal, along with continuing to build on the contracting pipeline.

Speaker #2: Our therapy selection volumes were up 20% for the quarter and 22% year over year, slightly above our expectations and an improvement from the Q3 growth rate of 18% that Bobby mentioned.

Speaker #2: As discussed, publicly in January, while our pharma revenue was down year over year, we were happy with how it finished with our target discovery announcement with Genentech, a fully expected continued to build on that momentum into 2026, as we start to recognize revenue from that deal along with continuing to build on the contracting pipeline.

Speaker #2: Overall, our revenue growth and financial performance continues to show up on the bottom line. With positive adjusted EBITDA and positive free cash flow not just for the quarter, but with positive adjusted EBITDA of $138 million and positive free cash flow of $67 million for the full year of 2025, and as Brian mentioned, we ended the year with over $800 million of cash on hand.

Luke Power: Overall, our revenue growth and financial performance continues to show up on the bottom line with positive adjusted EBITDA and positive free cash flow, not just for the quarter, but with positive adjusted EBITDA of $138 million and positive free cash flow of $67 million for the full year of 2025. As Brian mentioned, we ended the year with over $800 million of cash on hand. 2025 was a superb year in terms of molecular profiling services, as you will see on slide 12. We took a measured approach as we entered the year in terms of stepping up our ASPs from the FDA approval of the myCancerSeq solution.

Speaker #2: 2025 was a superb year in terms of molecular profiling services as you will see on slide 12. We took a measured approach as we entered the year in terms of stepping up our ASPs from the FDA approval of the My Cancer Seq solution and I'm delighted to say that after the maturity, after 12 months, it has demonstrated real sustainable uptick.

Luke Power: I'm delighted to say that after the maturity, after 12 months, it has demonstrated real sustainable uptick, with payers' appreciation appreciating the comprehensive approach of our solutions and the signatures that are also included as part of the offering, one of which we press release on Tuesday. As reflected on the slide, the favorable payer response led to additional revenue exceeding prior accruals, with the majority of the additional revenue related to cases performed in 2025, and only $33.6 million being related to benefit from 2024 and prior year cases. This has resulted in us being able to reach an ASP for our 2025 cases of $3,876 per tissue and just above $2,500 for our blood assay.

Speaker #2: With payers appreciation appreciating the comprehensive approach of our solutions and the signatures that are also included as part of the offering. One of which we press release on Tuesday.

Speaker #2: As reflected on the slide, the favorable payer response led to additional revenue exceeding prior accruals. With the majority of the additional revenue related to cases performed in 2025.

Speaker #2: And only 33.6 million being related to benefit from 2024 and prior year cases. This has resulted in us being able to reach an ASP for our 2025 cases of 3,876 for tissue and just above 2,500 for our blood asset.

Speaker #2: These improvements are due to various tailwinds we have seen occur throughout 2025 and for which we expect to continue to benefit from in 2026.

Luke Power: These improvements are due to various tailwinds we have seen occur throughout 2025 and for which we expect to continue to benefit from in 2026. We have listed some of these on the next slide, along with the positive trends in molecular profiling gross margin. The key driver for tissue was obviously the impact from our FDA approval and the subsequent increase in pricing and the benefits we saw through contracting, where we have now surpassed over $225 million covered lives for MI Cancer Seek. MI Cancer Seek represented greater than 70% of our tissue volume for the full year of 2025 and was over 75% of our tissue volume for Q4. We're able to increase our tissue growth rate for the full year to over 16%, which was up from the 2024 growth rate.

Speaker #2: And we have listed some of these on the next slides along with the positive trends in molecular profiling gross margin. The key driver for tissue was obviously the impact from our FDA approval and the subsequent increase in pricing and the benefits we saw through contracting.

Speaker #2: We have now surpassed over $225 million covered lives for My Cancer Seq. My Cancer Seq represented greater than 70% of our tissue volume for the full year of 2025 and was over 75% of our tissue volume for Q4.

Speaker #2: And we're able to increase our tissue growth rate for the full year to over 16%, which was up from the 2024 growth rate. For cares to shore, our PLA code was effective for the full year in 2025 and payers responded when we discussed both solutions together and this played out in the reimbursement uptick over the past year.

Luke Power: For Caris Assure, our PLA code was effective for the full year in 2025. Payers responded when we discussed both solutions together, this played out in the reimbursement uptake over the past year. We've also seen a steady improvement each quarter as we continue to gain traction in volume, with Q4 reflecting a 13% sequential growth from Q3 of 2025. With regards to our Medicare ASP, as you know, our solutions went through Clinical Laboratory Fee Schedule pricing as CDLTs and not ADLTs. Accordingly, they are subject to the PAMA CDLT reporting process, which is on a three-year cycle. As part of the recent Consolidated Appropriations Act, PAMA was amended so that the next reporting period is from 1 January to 30 June 2025.

Speaker #2: We've also seen a steady improvement each quarter as we continue to gain traction in volume, with Q4 reflecting a 13% sequential growth from Q3 of 2025.

Speaker #2: With regards to our Medicare ASP, as you know, our solutions went through clinical lab fee schedule pricing at CDLT. And not ADLT. Accordingly, there are subject to the PAMA CDLT reporting process, which is on a three-year cycle.

Speaker #2: As part of the recent Consolidated Appropriations Act, PAMA was amended so that the next reporting period is from January 1 to June 30, 2025.

Speaker #2: And based on the initial review of our data, we do not expect any downward adjustments to My Cancer Seq or cares to shore through 2029.

Luke Power: Based on the initial review of our data, we do not expect any downward adjustments to myCancerSeq or Caris Assure through 2029. Staying on the same slide, the improved reimbursement had a very positive impact on the molecular profiling gross margin per year, as demonstrated by the progression seen on the graph. We finished at 66% GAAP gross margin for the full year, and even excluding the additional revenue from exceeding accruals for prior year cases, this was only slightly below that at 64%. This improved gross margin allows us to continue to invest and develop comprehensive offerings, validating the long-term approach we take with our solutions. All in all, it was a fantastic year from a financial performance standpoint, demonstrating the excellent work by everyone at Caris as we wrapped up our first year end as a public company.

Speaker #2: Staying on the same slide, the improved reimbursement had a very positive impact on our molecular profiling gross margin per year, as demonstrated by the progression seen on the graph.

Speaker #2: We finished at 66% gap gross margin for the full year and even excluding the additional revenue from exceeding accruals for prior cases, this was only slightly below that at 64%.

Speaker #2: This improved gross margin allows us to continue to invest and develop comprehensive offerings, validating the long-term approach we take with our solutions. All in all, it was a fantastic year from a financial performance standpoint, demonstrating the excellent work by everyone at Caris as we wrapped up our first year-end as a public company.

Speaker #2: Now, turning to the outlook for 2026, which is reflected on slide 14. Consistent with our prior approach, we're initiating full-year guidance based only on our current portfolio.

Luke Power: Turning to the outlook for 2026, which is reflected on slide 14. Consistent with our prior approach, we're initiating full year guidance based only on our current portfolio. We'll only add the pipeline solution to our guidance once they have started to generate revenue. This allows us to take a deliberate approach with gated investment strategies to ensure that these will flow through as milestones are met throughout the year. With the 2025 results, we delivered on our goal to demonstrate that our model can be self-sufficient and generate free cash flow. Now, going into 2026, our plan is to reinvest from this position of strength by continuing to progress on our differentiated pipeline along with our commercial infrastructure.

Speaker #2: And we'll only add the pipeline solution to our guidance once they have started to generate revenue. This allows us to take a deliberate approach with gated investment strategies to ensure that these will flow through as milestones are met throughout the year.

Speaker #2: With the 2025 results, we delivered on our goal to demonstrate that our model can be self-sufficient to generate free cash flow. And now, going into 2026, our plan is to reinvest from this position of strength.

Speaker #2: By continuing to progress on our differentiated pipeline, along with our commercial infrastructure. Therefore, for the full year of 2026, we expect total revenue for existing solutions to be in the range of 1.0 billion to 1.02 billion, which represents growth of approximately 23 to 26% compared to 2025.

Luke Power: Therefore, for the full year of 2026, we expect total revenue for existing solutions to be in the range of $1.0 to 1.02 billion, which represents growth of approximately 23% to 26% compared to 2025. On the clinical side, therapy selection volume is expected to grow approximately 20% year-over-year in 2026, reflecting continued demand expansion and broader adoption across our ordering base. As Bobby discussed previously, we've begun making those additional investments in the commercial organization. Within the total revenue range, we expect molecular profiling to grow approximately 21% to 22% in 2026. Excluding prior year additional revenue from exceeding previous accruals, this implies a molecular profiling growth rate of approximately 26% to 28%.

Speaker #2: On the clinical side, therapy selection volume is expected to grow approximately 20% year over year in 2026. Reflecting continued demand expansion and broader adoption across our ordering base.

Speaker #2: And as Bobby discussed previously, we've begun making those additional investments in the commercial organization. Within the total revenue range, we expect molecular profiling to grow approximately 21% to 22% in 2026.

Speaker #2: But excluding prior year additional revenue from exceeding previous accruals, this implies a molecular profiling growth rate of approximately 26 to 28%. From an ASP standpoint, our focus remains on continuing to improve on commercial payer contracting as we progress into 2026.

Luke Power: From an ASP standpoint, our focus remains on continuing to improve on commercial payer contracting as we progress into 2026. For tissue, we're tracking towards approximately $4,000 a case, which we now expect to reach in Q1, followed by continued progress throughout the year, with this initial guidance reaching approximately $4,200 for the full year of 2026. For blood, we expect ASP to be in the range of $2,400 to $2,500 for 2026, and we'll seek to further expand contracting, but any potential upside is not reflected in the guidance. With regards to pharma and research revenue, we expect $75 million to $85 million for the full year of 2026.

Speaker #2: And for tissue, we're tracking towards approximately 4,000 a case, which we now expect to reach in Q1, followed by continued progress throughout the year, with this initial guidance reaching approximately 4,200 for the full year of 2026.

Speaker #2: For blood, we expect ASP to be in the range of 2,400 to 2,500 for 2026. And we'll seek to further expand contracting, but any potential upside is not reflected in the guidance.

Speaker #2: With regards to pharma and research revenue, we expect 75 million to 85 million for the full year of 2026. This reflects contribution from our previously announced genetic deal.

Luke Power: This reflects contribution from our previously announced Genentech deal, our recent companion diagnostic collaboration, along with the development of contracting pipeline and our investment in additional dedicated team members for our pharma customers. As in prior years, we expect a cadence that is more weighted to the Q2 and Q4, with Q1 and Q3 being lower than Q2 and Q4. On the expense side, we expect GAAP operating expenses to be in the range of $590 million to 595 million, representing an increase of approximately 19% to 20%. This increase is primarily driven by the commercial expansion of pipeline trial activities, as demonstrated by the excellent results from ACHIEVE 1, and also then including the ACHIEVE 2 study and advancements of our Assure assay development milestone, including our planned New York State submission.

Speaker #2: Our recent companion diagnostic collaboration, along with the development of contracting pipeline. And our investment in additional dedicated team members for our pharma customers. As in prior years, we expect a cadence as more weighted to the second and fourth quarters, with Q1 and Q3 being lower than Q2 and Q4.

Speaker #2: On the expense side, we expect gap operating expenses to be in the range of 590 million to 595 million. Representing an increase of approximately 19% to 20%.

Speaker #2: This increase is primarily driven by the commercial expansion of pipeline trial activities. As demonstrated by the excellent results from a G1. And also then including the achieved two study and advancements of our assure assay development milestones, including our planned New York state submission.

Speaker #2: Finally, with regard to free cash flow and adjusted EBITDA, we expect to remain positive for the year while funding these investments. One additional incremental item in 2026 will be capex, as we prepare for the early detection launch.

Luke Power: Finally, with regard to free cash flow and adjusted EBITDA, we expect to remain positive for the year while funding these investments. One additional incremental item in 2026 will be CapEx as we prepare for the early detection launch. After spending approximately $16 million in 2025, we expect CapEx in the range of approximately $60 million for 2026. This spend is tied to increased capacity and will be staged and milestone driven, will not be deployed all at once and spread throughout the year. As we have stated previously, we're not optimizing for peak margin in 2026 at the expense of long-term value, We're committed to operating within our guardrails, remaining positive on free cash flow and adjusted EBITDA while we execute on the milestones that continue to drive our top-line growth.

Speaker #2: After spending approximately 16 million in 2025, we expect capex in the range of approximately 60 million for 2026. This spend is tied to increased capacity and will be staged on milestone-driven.

Speaker #2: So will not be deployed all at once and spread throughout the year. As we have stated previously, we're not optimizing for peak margin in 2026 at the expense of long-term value.

Speaker #2: But we're committed to operating within our guardrails, remaining positive on free cash flow and adjusted EBITDA, while

Speaker #1: While we execute on the milestones that continue to drive our top line growth , I will wrap up there , and with that , we'll now turn the call back over to the operator

Luke Power: I will wrap up there, and with that, we'll now turn the call back over to the operator.

Speaker #2: Thank you . At this time , we will conduct a question and answer session . As a reminder to ask a question , you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced .

Operator: Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Dan Brennan of TD Cowen. Your line is now open.

Speaker #2: To withdraw your question , please press star one . One again . Please stand by . Before we compile the Q&A roster Our first question comes from the line of Dan Brennan of TD coin .

Speaker #2: Your line is now open

Speaker #3: Great . Thank you . Thanks for the question Apologize if there's any background noise here Maybe just first one . Just on the volume outlook .

Dan Brennan: Great. Thank you. Thanks for the question. Apologize if there's any background noise here. Maybe just first one, just on the volume outlook, the 20% volume growth. I don't think I heard you. Luke, did you guys break down how that's gonna break down between tissue and blood? You can give us that color. Did you give us any color on pacing for revenues as well? Where should the Q1 land?

Speaker #3: The 20% volume growth— I don't think I heard you; did you guys break down how that's going to break down between tissue and blood? If you can, give us that color.

Speaker #3: And then did you give us any color on pacing for revenues as well . So where should the first quarter land

Speaker #1: Yeah . So Dan so on a total volume basis , we guide it to the 20% . The 20% is broken up very similar to Q4 .

Luke Power: Yeah. Dan, on a total volume basis, we guided to the 20%. The 20% is broken up very similar to Q4, so lower teens for tissue and then high 50s, lower 60s for blood from a growth standpoint. On the revenue outlook for Q1, right now we're in that 70% to 74% growth range for total revenue.

Speaker #1: So lower teens for tissue . And then high 50s lower 60s for blood from a growth standpoint And then on the revenue outlook for Q1 right now , we're in that 70% to 74% growth range for total revenue

Speaker #3: Okay . And then maybe as a follow up . So Bobby is now running the sales force You've added some headcount . So can you elaborate a little bit on like how big the sales force was previously ?

Dan Brennan: Okay. Then maybe as a follow-up, Bobby's now running the sales force. You've added some headcount. Can you elaborate a little bit on, like, how big the sales force was previously? What was the decision to bring Bobby in? How many people are you adding? Anything on the strategy? Have you baked in any impact from these additional sales people? Will they drive revenues and volumes this year, or is it gonna hit in the Q4? How do we think about the contribution from this added headcount? Thank you.

Speaker #3: What was the decision to bring Bobby in ? How many people are you adding anything on the strategy . And then if you baked in any impact from these additional salespeople , will they drive revenues and volumes this year or is it going to hit in the fourth quarter ?

Speaker #3: How do we think about the contribution from this headcount ? Thank you .

Speaker #1: Yes . Yes , definitely take that . And then I'll let Bobby chime in . Dan so effectively , Bobby joined us obviously to lead our reimbursement efforts , knowing that Bobby also has additional expertise .

Luke Power: Yes. Yeah. I can definitely take that, and then I'll let Bobby chime in, Dan. Effectively, Bobby joined us obviously to lead our reimbursement efforts, knowing that Bobby also has additional expertise that would transition into the commercial operating role in the future. From that standpoint, Bobby obviously has been here a year and a half right now and done excellent work, as you can see in our results, with the reimbursements. As we go forward and what we're planning for 2026, we announced at J.P. Morgan that we were about 250 salespeople, and we wanted to increase it about 20% to 25%, get that back up to about 300 people.

Speaker #1: That would transition into the commercial operating role in the future . So from that standpoint , Bobby obviously has been here kind of a year , year and a half right now and done excellent work .

Speaker #1: As you can see in our results with the reimbursement. So as we go forward and what we're planning for 2026, we announced at JP Morgan that we were about 250 salespeople and we wanted to increase it about 20 to 25%.

Speaker #1: So get that back up to about 300 people . Again , Bobby's done great work with kind of going through the territories and see where we can get the most benefit from that .

Luke Power: Again, Bobby's done great work with kind of going through the territories and see where we can get the most benefit from that. To answer your last question before I pass it to Bobby, we incorporated the expense, but we're taking a measured approach with our volume. We obviously think this is going to pay off for us in the second half of the year, but that's not incorporated in the 20% number. The 20% we were able to achieve in Q4, which was what we were expecting to go into 2026. I definitely think once we have further experience with the uptick in salespeople and obviously all the initiatives Bobby is implementing, that you could see benefits, but we're not guiding to that right now.

Speaker #1: To answer your last question , before I pass it to Bobby , we incorporated the expense , but we're taking a measured approach with our volume .

Speaker #1: We obviously think this is going to pay off for us in the second half of the year , but that's not incorporated in the 20% number .

Speaker #1: The 20% we were able to achieve in Q4 , which was what we were expecting to go into 2026 . So I definitely think once we have further experience with the uptick in salespeople and obviously all the initiatives , Bobby is implementing , that you could see benefit .

Speaker #1: But we're not guiding to that right now

Speaker #3: Got it . Okay . Thank you

Dan Brennan: Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Sabu , Mumbai of Guggenheim Your line is now open .

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Subbu Nambi of Guggenheim. Your line is now open.

Speaker #4: Hey , guys . Thank you for taking my question . Thank you for sharing the interim data . You provided specificity data , which delineates between asymptomatic screening and undiagnosed population .

Subbu Nambi: Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. Svet, thank you for sharing the ENZET interim data. You provided specificity data which delineates between asymptomatic screening and undiagnosed population. Can you further define these populations? How do they differ, and why did you do this? What is the significance from the perspective of clinical regulatory reimbursement and commercial?

Speaker #4: Can you further define these populations? How do they differ? And why did you do this? What is the significance from the perspective of clinical, regulatory, reimbursement, and commercial?

Speaker #5: Yeah . So in the higher risk population , what we saw was that there was a 7% undiagnosed cancer rate . And so if 7% of your control samples are actually positive for cancer , then it's going to lead to a lower estimate of specificity than what you would see in a general population where the incidence rate is much , much lower .

Luke Power: Yeah. In the higher-risk population, what we saw was that there was a 7% undiagnosed cancer rate. you know, if 7% of your control samples are actually positive for cancer, then it's gonna lead to a lower estimate of specificity than what you would see in a general population where the incidence rate is much, much lower. The kind of clean cohorts, where we have the longitudinal outcome data showing that they are actually healthy patients, is gonna be reflective of the specificity in that general healthy screening population. Whereas the asymptomatic or the symptomatic screening population, that high-risk group, is what we would expect in high-risk clinics.

David Spetzler: Yeah. In the higher-risk population, what we saw was that there was a 7% undiagnosed cancer rate. you know, if 7% of your control samples are actually positive for cancer, then it's gonna lead to a lower estimate of specificity than what you would see in a general population where the incidence rate is much, much lower. The kind of clean cohorts, where we have the longitudinal outcome data showing that they are actually healthy patients, is gonna be reflective of the specificity in that general healthy screening population.

Speaker #5: And so the the kind of clean cohort where we have longitudinal outcome data showing that they are actually healthy patients is going to be reflective of the specificity in that general healthy screening population Whereas the asymptomatic or the asymptomatic screening population , that high risk group is what we would expect in high risk clinics .

David Spetzler: Whereas the asymptomatic or the symptomatic screening population, that high-risk group, is what we would expect in high-risk clinics. The clinical context of the patient matters a lot in how we think about the results, and we want to make sure that we're clear and careful about characterizing test performance across the various populations that we'll be marketing to.

Speaker #5: And so the clinical context of the patient matters a lot in how we think about the results . And we want to make sure that we're clear and careful about characterizing test performance across the various populations .

Luke Power: The clinical context of the patient matters a lot in how we think about the results, and we want to make sure that we're clear and careful about characterizing test performance across the various populations that we'll be marketing to.

Speaker #5: That we'll be marketing it to

Speaker #4: Super helpful . And Luke , you did mention how pharma how AI is going to be a tailwind and how the database is growing .

Subbu Nambi: Super helpful. Luke, you did mention how AI is going to be a tailwind and how the database is growing. Do you have an early outlook to share on the pharma R&D spending environment at all, as pharma is increasingly looking to spend on AI? Could Caris be a beneficiary?

Speaker #4: Do you have an early outlook to share on the pharma R&D spending environment at all? As pharma is increasingly looking to spend on AI, it could be a beneficiary.

Speaker #1: I definitely think we could be a beneficiary , especially from our molecular data set that now has over 1 million profiles . But from from our guidance standpoint , Subbu , like the 75 million to 85 million , it's it's based on looking at what we've been able to do historically from a base run rate , knowing that we signed the additional Genentech deal that we publicly announced , we have a couple of collaborations .

Luke Power: I definitely think we could be a beneficiary, especially from our molecular data set that now has over 1 million profiles. But from our guidance standpoint, Subbu Nambi, like the $75 million to 85 million, it's based on looking at what we've been able to do historically from a base run rate, knowing that we've signed the additional Genentech deal that we publicly announced. We have a couple of CDX collaborations, one that was completed that we're not announcing publicly at the request of our pharma partner, that allows us and gives us great confidence as we go into the year in order to achieve that. You're right, there's definitely a lot of trends, and we've had continued outreach, particularly around our data and the use of that in AI.

Luke Power: I definitely think we could be a beneficiary, especially from our molecular data set that now has over 1 million profiles. But from our guidance standpoint, Subbu, like the $75 million to 85 million, it's based on looking at what we've been able to do historically from a base run rate, knowing that we've signed the additional Genentech deal that we publicly announced. We have a couple of CDX collaborations, one that was completed that we're not announcing publicly at the request of our pharma partner, that allows us and gives us great confidence as we go into the year in order to achieve that. You're right, there's definitely a lot of trends, and we've had continued outreach, particularly around our data and the use of that in AI.

Speaker #1: One that was completed that we're not announcing publicly at the request of our pharma partner . That allows us and gives us great confidence as we go into the year in order to achieve that .

Speaker #1: But you're right , there's definitely a lot of trends , and we've had continued outreach , particularly around our data and the use of that in AI .

Speaker #4: Thank you so much , guys

Subbu Nambi: All right. Thank you so much, guys.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Michael Ryskin of Bank of America . Your line is now open

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Michael Ryskin of Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Speaker #6: Great . Thanks for taking the question . Congrats on the quarter . Yeah , Dan asked on volume . So I guess I'll take the ASP one .

Michael Ryskin: Great. Thanks for taking the question. Congrats on the quarter. You know, Dan asked on volume. I guess I'll take the ASP one. You know, for tissue, I think if I heard correctly, you talked about $4,000 in Q1 and then reaching approximately $4,200 for the full year. You know, I recognize obviously there's a lot of ASP true-up in Q3 and Q4. That still seems, like, relatively conservative relative to what we had talked about in the past and the ability to reach sort of closer to that, you know, high $4,000 range.

Speaker #6: You know , for tissue . I think you , if I heard correctly , you talk about 4000 in the first quarter and then reaching approximately 4200 for the full year .

Speaker #6: You know , obviously there's a lot of ASP true up in three Q and four Q , but that still seems like relatively conservative relative to what we have talked about in the past .

Speaker #6: And the ability to reach sort of closer to that . High 4000 range . So just wondering if you could talk about how much conservatism you have built into that , what your line of sight is on the commercial side of things and just sort of talk about the what true ups could contribute on top of that .

Michael Ryskin: Just wondering if you could talk about how much conservatism you have built into that, what your line of sight is on the commercial side of things, and just sort of, you know, talk about what true-ups could contribute on top of that. Thanks.

Speaker #6: Thanks

Speaker #1: Yeah . So the answer to true up questions like we purposely launched my cancer seek at the start of 2025 , knowing that we'd get the full 12 months of the activity .

Luke Power: Yeah. To answer the true-up questions, like, we purposely launched myCancerSeq at the start of 2025, knowing that we'd get the full 12 months of the activity so we could get all the kind of true-ups incorporated as much as possible in 2025. Because again, I always take a measured approach when it comes to ASP. I like to see the history play out. Now that we have that, it's a good starting point as we go in and knowing that we'll get to the 4,000 based on the contracts we signed that kick in at the start of the year. I definitely think there's headroom there, I do want to be measured. Again, going into this year, we've done excellent on ASP.

Speaker #1: So that we could get all the the kind of true ups incorporated as much as possible in 2025 . Because , again , I always take a measured approach when it comes to ASP .

Speaker #1: I like to see the history play out . And now that we have that , it's a good starting point as we go in and knowing that we'll get to the 4000 based on the contracts we signed , that kick in at the start of the year .

Speaker #1: I definitely think there's headroom there , but I do want to be measured again going into this year , we've done excellent on ASP .

Speaker #1: Obviously , it's the best in the industry and it's due to the decision . David Halbert made to go to whole eggs and whole transcriptome like five years ago , and that has paid off for us .

Luke Power: Obviously, it's the, like, the best in the industry, and it's due to the decision David Halbert made to go the whole exome, whole transcriptome, like, 5 years ago, and that has paid off for us. Going into it, the 4,200 is kind of where I want to guide to right now. We'll progress throughout the year. We'll get additional contracts, as Bobby said, we'll just see, Mike, where it shoots out. From a guidance standpoint, I feel really good right now with the 4,200 for the full year.

Speaker #1: So going into it, the 4,200 is kind of where I want to guide to right now. And then we'll progress. We'll progress throughout the year.

Speaker #1: We'll get additional contracts as Bobby said , and then we'll just see . Where it shoots out . But from a guidance standpoint , I feel really good right now with the 4200 for the full year .

Speaker #5: Eight years .

Michael Ryskin: Eight years ago.

Bobby Hill: Eight years ago.

Speaker #6: Ago .

Speaker #1: Eight years ago , eight years ago , yes .

Luke Power: Eight years ago. Yes.

Speaker #6: Good point , good point . And then for my follow up , you know , for the for the guide for this year , you kind of left it relatively open ended in terms of adjusted EBITDA positive .

Michael Ryskin: Good point. Good point. For my follow-up, you know, for the guide for this year, you kind of left it relatively open-ended in terms of adjusted EBITDA positive. You know, there's a big range to what positive means. I think, you know, just to combine this with a commercial reinvestment point, could you maybe talk about the puts and takes of that? You know, how much of a lever you think that could be? Just sort of how you think about that balance, right? Of investing, getting maybe a little bit more on the margin side of things versus versus the other way around. Thanks.

Speaker #6: You know , there's a big range to what positive means . And I think , you know , just to combine this with the commercial reinvestment point , could you maybe talk about the puts and takes of that ?

Speaker #6: You know , how much of a lever you think that could be ? And just sort of how you think about that balance , right , of investing , getting maybe a little bit more on the margin side of things versus versus the other way around .

Speaker #6: Thanks .

Speaker #1: Yeah , yeah , it's going to be pure like utilizing the leverage . Mike . So for us , obviously we're able to generate like over 136 million of adjusted EBITDA for the full year of 2025 .

Luke Power: Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be pure, like, utilizing the leverage, Mike. For us, obviously, we're able to generate, like, over $136 million of adjusted EBITDA for the full year of 2025. We're gonna utilize that going in. You obviously see the increase of $100 million in OpEx. What we're planning on doing, especially in the first half of the year, is utilizing that. I've stated on multiple calls, obviously, since we became public, like, the ideal goal for me going into 2026 would be to kinda run neutral in the first half of the year just by getting these investments done. Now, we'll continue to generate. We're generating obviously the $60+ million of free cash flow. Because of the position we're in, we're gonna utilize it.

Speaker #1: We're going to utilize that going in . So you obviously see the increase of 100 million in opex . What we're planning on doing , especially in the first half of the year , is utilizing that .

Speaker #1: And I've stated on multiple calls , obviously , since we became public , like the ideal goal for me going into 2026 would be to kind of run neutral in the first half of the year just by getting these investments done .

Speaker #1: Now , we'll continue to generate we're generating obviously , the 60 plus million of free cash flow because of the position we're in .

Speaker #1: We're going to utilize it . And again , that's why we're just guiding to being positive right now . I'm not going to throw out that it's going to be 150 million or 200 million .

Luke Power: Again, that's why we're just guiding to being positive right now. I'm not gonna throw out that it's gonna be $150 million or $200 million, but if we execute, obviously we continue to drive margin from a profitability standpoint past 2026 and into 2027. Obviously, we're very excited with the early detection launch, and that's kind of the primary focus for the first half of this year.

Speaker #1: But if we execute , obviously we continue to drive margin from a profitability standpoint past 2026 and into 2027 . And obviously , we're very excited with the early detection launch .

Speaker #1: And that's kind of the primary focus for the first half of this year .

Speaker #6: Okay , thanks so much . Appreciate it

Michael Ryskin: Okay. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Vijay Kumar of Evercore ISI . Your line is now open

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Vijay Kumar of Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Speaker #7: Hey guys . Thank you for taking my question . And maybe Luke , first one is on ASP assumptions here for fiscal 26 .

Vijay Kumar: Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. Maybe, Luke, my first one is on ASP assumptions here for fiscal 2026. Did I hear you correctly when you said blood is at $2,400 to $2,500? I thought the fiscal 2025 ex true-up blood ASP was north of $2,500. Maybe just walk me through why blood steps down and that $4,200 on the tissue side, does it contemplate the full normalization of PLA uplift on CMS side or is there some more room left when you think about 2027?

Speaker #7: Did I hear you correctly when you said blood is 2400 to 2500 ? I thought the fiscal 25 extra blood ASP was at north of 2500 .

Speaker #7: So maybe just walk me through on on why blood steps down and that 4200 on the tissue side does it contemplate the the The the full normalization of PLA uplift on CMS side ?

Speaker #7: Or is there some more room left ? When you think about 27 ?

Speaker #1: Yeah . So answer the blood first . I like to guide from a blood standpoint in that $100 range . Like you're right like the 2500 is kind of at the top of that range is where we ended up .

Luke Power: Yeah. Answer the blood first. I like to guide from a blood standpoint in the $100 range. Like, you're right, like the $2,500 is kind of the top of that range is where we ended up. I definitely think there's some upside to that, as I mentioned in the pre-prepared marks, remarks. Right now, what I would guide to is in that $2,400 to $2,500, just based on the mix of cases, is where we came up with that guideline. Because obviously Medicare is paid better, commercial is paid a little less, and there's sometimes fluctuation amongst that in the quarter, especially as we ramp up our blood volume. Obviously, it's been growing quite nicely from a sequential standpoint. That's the reason for the $2,400 to $2,500.

Speaker #1: I definitely think there's some upside to that . As I mentioned in the pre-prepared remarks . So right now , what I would guide to is in that 24 to 2500 , just based on the mix of cases , is where we came up with that guideline , because obviously Medicare is paid better , commercials paid a little less .

Speaker #1: And there's sometimes fluctuation amongst that in the quarter , especially as we ramp up our blood volume . Obviously , it's been growing quite nicely from a sequential standpoint .

Speaker #1: So that's the reason for the 2400 to 2500 . But I'm not I'm not guiding to us like a massive step down or anything .

Luke Power: I'm not guiding to a, like, a massive step down or anything. I just wanna be cautious with the guide from a blood ASP. On tissue, we put out the metrics that obviously over 75% of our, of our tissue volume is gonna be under that PLA code, and we're making great progress there. You do have the remaining 25% that's not. We've hit our goal that we came into the year in order to get above that kind of $3,600 for Q4, and obviously announcing that we're gonna get to $4,000 for Q1. I feel good with the progress that our excellent market access team is making, along with our billing team, to continue to push on that and get that to a higher rate.

Speaker #1: I just want to be cautious with the guide from a blood asp and then on tissue , we put out the metrics that obviously over 75% of our of our tissue volume is going to be under that PLA code .

Speaker #1: And we're making great progress there . But you do have the remaining 25% . That's that's not we've hit our goal that we came into the year in order to get above that kind of $3,600 for Q4 .

Speaker #1: And obviously announcing that we're going to get to $4,000 for Q1 , I feel good with the progress that our excellent market access team is making , along with our billing team , to continue to push on that and get that to a higher rate .

Luke Power: I feel good with the progress that our excellent market access team is making, along with our billing team, to continue to push on that and get that to a higher rate. Now from a guidance standpoint, like the 4,200 feels really, really good right now, and that's what I wanna stick with from the guidance standpoint.

Speaker #1: But now from a guidance standpoint , like the 4200 feels really , really good right now . And that's what I want to stick with from the from the guidance standpoint

Luke Power: Now from a guidance standpoint, like the 4,200 feels really, really good right now, and that's what I wanna stick with from the guidance standpoint.

Vijay Kumar: Understood. Just to be clear, Luke, that 4,200 assumes 75% of volume's under PLA in 2026?

Speaker #7: Just to be clear, that 4,200 resumes—75% of volumes—are under PLA in 2026.

Speaker #1: Correct .

Luke Power: Correct.

Speaker #7: Understood . Then maybe my follow up on on you know , the step up and opex spend for 26 . I'm curious when I look at the market , the market seems to be rewarding companies in the space for volume growth rate versus you guys .

Vijay Kumar: Understood. Maybe my follow-up on, you know, this step up in OpEx spend for 2026. I'm curious, when I look at the market, the market seems to be rewarding companies in the space for volume growth rate versus you guys being focused on profitable growth, and I think that's a distinction that you made. Does this OpEx step up signal that, hey, if the market's not rewarding Caris on profitable growth, let's put volume. Just walk us through on the rationale of this OpEx step up. Where is this spend going? Is this for existing tests or new tests? When you think about productivity per rep, how long does it take for these reps, these new reps to get productive?

Speaker #7: Being focused on profitable growth . And I think that's a distinction that you made . Does this opex step up signal that , hey , if the market's not rewarding Keras on on profitable growth , let's put volumes .

Speaker #7: Just walk us through on the rationale of of this opex step up . Where is the spend going ? Is this for existing costs for new tests ?

Speaker #7: And when you think about productivity per rep , how long does it take for these reps , these new reps to get productive

Speaker #1: Yeah . So I'll go first and then I can let the team obviously chime in as well . So yes , it's definitely including the OpEx stand up .

Luke Power: I'll go first, and then I can let the team obviously chime in as well. Yes, it's definitely including the OpEx step up, like 30% growth in sales and marketing. That's kind of the number one key area. The second key area too is in R&D and having that other 30% step up in R&D. Again, as Pat's walked through with the ACHIEVE One, like we're extremely excited about that, and we want to keep pressing ahead with the ACHIEVE Two data. That's going to be a priority from the R&D spend standpoint. With the sales and marketing, normally it takes about six months for that to play out.

Speaker #1: Step up like 30% growth in sales and that's kind of the number one key area . The other the second key area to is in R&D .

Speaker #1: And having that other 30% step up in R&D again, as we walked through with the Achieve One, like we're extremely excited about that, and we want to keep pressing ahead with the Achieve Two data.

Speaker #1: So that's going to be a priority from the from the R&D spend standpoint . And then with the sales and marketing , normally it takes about six months for that to play out .

Speaker #1: But again , what we did with our guide and because we did a great job last year of coming out and being measured on what we're going to , we didn't want to assume any uptick .

Luke Power: Again, what we did with our guide, and because we did a great job last year of coming out and being measured on what we're guiding to, we didn't want to assume any uptick, big uptick in the second half of the year. Again, all companies go through this. Your Q1 obviously ramps up to Q2, Q3, and Q4, and that's what's in these numbers. We're not assuming any big uptick from a volume standpoint until Bobby obviously gets his initiatives implemented, and then we'll come back to the street and obviously update the street how we progress. Brian, I don't... Brian, if you wanna take the first-

Speaker #1: Big uptick in the second half of the year . Again , all all companies go through this . You're Q1 obviously ramps up to Q2 , Q3 and Q4 , and that's what's in these numbers .

Speaker #1: But we're not assuming any big uptick from a from a volume standpoint until Bobby obviously gets his initiatives implemented . And then we'll come back to the street .

Speaker #1: And obviously update the street . How we progress And then I don't Brian , if you want to take the first listen , I would I would answer it a little more generally , which is , you know , I think we see a tremendous amount of opportunity in the market .

Brian Brille: Yeah. Listen, I would answer it a little more generally, which is, you know, Vijay, I think we see a tremendous amount of opportunity in the market. It's not penetrated. Rather, you know, we see with sites all of the time, you know, more physicians that need the best technology. We're extremely optimistic about the opportunities in front of us, not just with the new modalities like Em said, but just with our existing core business and therapy selection.

Speaker #1: It's not penetrated . Rather , you know , we see with , with , with sites , all of the time , you know , more physicians that need the best technology .

Speaker #1: So we're extremely optimistic about the opportunities in front of us , not just with the new modalities like MST , but just with our existing core business and therapy selection .

Speaker #1: So with our technology solutions , and we think , you know , the best , the best technology solutions on the market , and we're super excited with Bobby's leadership , you know , to put more resources , human capital programs , etc.

Brian Brille: You know, with our technology solutions, and we think, you know, the best technology solutions on the market. We're super excited with Bobby's leadership, you know, to put more resources, human capital, programs, et cetera, behind this, to support our cancer center clients as well as individual oncologists, through educational programs, the MSL teams, et cetera, as, you know, we go through this continued evolution in molecular information. We're just super excited. With Bobby's leadership now, we can invest even more aggressively. I think that's where this is coming from.

Speaker #1: , behind this to support our cancer center clients , as well as individual oncologists through educational programs . The MSL teams , etc. , etc.

Speaker #1: as we go through this continued evolution in in molecular information . So we're just super excited . And with Bobby's leadership now , we can invest even more aggressively .

Speaker #1: So I think that's where this is coming from .

Speaker #7: Understood . Thank you guys

Vijay Kumar: Understood. Thank you, guys.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Doug Nichol of Wolfe Research . Your line is now open .

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Doug Schenkel of Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.

Speaker #8: Hi . Thanks for the question . This is Colin on for Doug . One on CapEx . We think we heard Luke mentioned $60 million in CapEx dedicated to the MST launch this year .

[Analyst] (Wolfe Research): Hi. Thanks for the question. This is Colleen on for Doug. One on CapEx. We think we heard Luke mention $60 million in CapEx dedicated to the MSIG launch this year. Can you just share any more color on how you plan to allocate that spend?

Speaker #8: Can you just share any more color on how you plan to allocate that spend ?

Speaker #9: Yeah , pretty evenly throughout the year . Colin , maybe a little bit more weighted . So like 35 , 25 second half the year .

Luke Power: Yeah. Pretty evenly throughout the year, Colleen. Maybe a little bit more weighted, so like 35, 25, first half, second half of the year. It'll all depend on how quickly we can get the early detection ramped up. We're working very, very quickly on that right now. One of the key items from the CapEx standpoint is obviously our new Assure assay is gonna be switched over to the NovaSeq X, and NovaSeq X is also what we're using for early detection. There's gonna be additional NovaSeq X machines that we'll purchase as well throughout the first half of this year and that we've already ordered. That's kinda how it's broken up. It's a lot related to testing equipment and then additional spend related to capacity and buildings.

Speaker #9: It'll all depend on how quickly we can get there . Early detection ramped up . We're working very very quickly on that right now .

Speaker #9: One of the key items from the CapEx standpoint is obviously our new Azure assay is going to be switched over to the Nova X and Nova X is also what we're using for early detection .

Speaker #9: So there's going to be additional Nova X machines that will purchase as well . Throughout the first half of this year , and that we've already ordered .

Speaker #9: So that's kind of how it's broken up . It's it's a lot related to testing equipment . And then additional spend related to capacity and buildings

Speaker #8: All right . Thank you . And then more broadly on capital deployment , now that the business has demonstrated profitability and you have about 800 million on the balance sheet , how are you prioritizing incremental sales and marketing and R&D investment versus opportunistic M&A ?

Bobby Hill: All right. Thank you. More broadly on capital deployment, now that the business has demonstrated profitability and you have about $800 million on the balance sheet, how are you prioritizing incremental sales marketing and R&D investment versus opportunistic M&A? Are there any portfolio gaps you would look to fill strategically versus prioritizing smaller tuck-ins?

[Analyst] (Wolfe Research): All right. Thank you. More broadly on capital deployment, now that the business has demonstrated profitability and you have about $800 million on the balance sheet, how are you prioritizing incremental sales marketing and R&D investment versus opportunistic M&A? Are there any portfolio gaps you would look to fill strategically versus prioritizing smaller tuck-ins?

Speaker #8: And are there any portfolio gaps you would look to fill strategically versus prioritizing smaller tuck ins ?

Speaker #9: No , I think look , we're always being very strategic in what we do . We have a great assay in-house . And obviously we always focus on the technology first at CARES .

Luke Power: No, I think, look, we're always being very strategic in what we do. We have a great assay in-house, obviously, we always focus on the technology first at Caris. That's gonna be a primary thing. We remain strategic, obviously, the flexibility that we have based on our financial performance and the cash on hand gives us an opportunity to just continue to assess. We're gonna push on all fronts, we'll see what actually shakes out.

Speaker #9: So that's going to be our primary thing. But we remain strategic, and obviously the flexibility that we have based on our financial performance and the cash in hand gives us an opportunity to just continue to assess.

Speaker #9: But we're going to push on all fronts, and then we'll see what actually shakes out.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Casey Woodring of JP Morgan . Your line is now open .

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Casey Woodring of J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Casey Woodring of JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Speaker #7: Great .

Speaker #10: Thanks for taking our question . This is Sebastian on for Casey . Can you talk a little more about expectations for volume pacing ?

[Analyst] (J.P. Morgan): Great. Thanks for taking our question. This is Sebastian on for Casey. Can you talk a little more about expectations for volume pacing? It sounds like you're not making any impact from new reps. I think you talked about mid-teens growth-ish for tissue and then something in the mid-thirties for blood. Would you expect to grow above that in the first half and then below in the back half pending a ramp from new reps? Just what's your expectation there for Q1? Thanks. I have a quick follow-up.

[Analyst] (JPMorgan): Great. Thanks for taking our question. This is Sebastian on for Casey. Can you talk a little more about expectations for volume pacing? It sounds like you're not making any impact from new reps. I think you talked about mid-teens growth-ish for tissue and then something in the mid-thirties for blood. Would you expect to grow above that in the first half and then below in the back half pending a ramp from new reps? Just what's your expectation there for Q1? Thanks. I have a quick follow-up.

Speaker #10: It sounds like you're not making any impact from new reps . I think you talked about mid-teens growth ish for tissue , and then something in the mid 30s for blood .

Speaker #10: Would you would you expect to grow above that in the first half and then below in the , in the back half pending a ramp from new reps and then just what's your expectation there for one ?

Speaker #10: Q thanks , and I have a quick follow up .

Speaker #9: Yeah . Sebastian , it probably you flip that . So obviously like we're continuing to ramp that up and what I said was when I think Dan asked the question was the tissue being like low teens consistent with where our Q4 was and then blood being in that high 50s .

Luke Power: Yeah, Sebastian. Probably you flip that. Obviously, like, we're continuing to ramp that up. What I said was when, I think Dan asked the question, was the tissue being like low teens consistent with where our Q4 was, and then blood being in that high 50s. Like 59% is where we came in for Q4. That's what's assumed in the guide. Now for Q1, obviously, you can see based on our historical performance, like you do have a little bit of push between Q1 and Q3 and then Q2 and Q4 pop, and you see that historically play out in our financials just based on schedules, holidays, et cetera. I would think that as we ramp into the second half of the year, I feel very good about that 20%, from an overall year standpoint.

Speaker #9: So like 59% is where we came in for Q4 . So that's what's assumed in the guide . Now for Q1 , obviously , you can see based on our historical performance , like you do , have a little bit of push between Q1 and Q3 and then Q2 and Q4 pop .

Speaker #9: And you see that historically play out in our financials just based on schedules , holidays , etc. . So but I would think that as we ramp into the second half of the year , I feel very good about that 20% .

Speaker #9: And from an overall year standpoint .

Speaker #10: Got it . Thanks . And then just one on the MST data , you reported reported . So the interim data looks strong .

[Analyst] (J.P. Morgan): Got it. Thanks. Just one on the MSIA data you reported. The interim data looks strong. I noticed apart from the top three or so indications, it looks like the sample size is pretty small. I guess first off, do you think smaller sample size for some of these indications would impact, you know, how physicians and patients feel about, you know, are comfortable using the test? It looks like the breast sensitivity is well above peers and, you know, the sample size there is sufficiently large. Like, is there any scenario where you would consider offering a stand-alone breast test in addition to MSIA? Thanks.

[Analyst] (JPMorgan): Got it. Thanks. Just one on the MSIA data you reported. The interim data looks strong. I noticed apart from the top three or so indications, it looks like the sample size is pretty small. I guess first off, do you think smaller sample size for some of these indications would impact, you know, how physicians and patients feel about, you know, are comfortable using the test? It looks like the breast sensitivity is well above peers and, you know, the sample size there is sufficiently large. Like, is there any scenario where you would consider offering a stand-alone breast test in addition to MSIA? Thanks.

Speaker #10: I noticed apart from the top three or so indications , it looks like the sample size is pretty small . I guess . First off , do you think smaller sample size for some of these indications would impact , you know , how physicians and patients feel about or comfortable using the test and then it looks like the breast sensitivity is well above peers .

Speaker #10: And the sample size there is sufficiently large. So, is there any scenario where you would consider offering a standalone breast test in addition to MST?

Speaker #10: Thanks

Speaker #5: So yeah , as you noted , the performance in breast is is really , really good . And you know , compared to like methylation based tests that have single digit sensitivities in early stage that that shows a lot .

Luke Power: Yeah. As you noted, the performance in breast is really good. You know, compared to like methylation-based tests that have single-digit sensitivities in early stage, that shows a lot. For us to go breast only, kinda creates an ethical quandary because we wouldn't wanna not report out when we find other cancers there. The performance is really strong. One of the reasons why the numbers are lower in some of those other categories is because not a lot of patients are found at early stage because there are no existing screening modalities that are very effective. We'll see that continue to play out over time where, you know, with our technology and our test, we will be the ones finding those early-stage cancers.

David Spetzler: Yeah. As you noted, the performance in breast is really good. You know, compared to like methylation-based tests that have single-digit sensitivities in early stage, that shows a lot. For us to go breast only, kinda creates an ethical quandary because we wouldn't wanna not report out when we find other cancers there. The performance is really strong. One of the reasons why the numbers are lower in some of those other categories is because not a lot of patients are found at early stage because there are no existing screening modalities that are very effective. We'll see that continue to play out over time where, you know, with our technology and our test, we will be the ones finding those early-stage cancers.Those numbers will go up, simply because we're now able to find them at the early stage.

Speaker #5: But for us to go breast only kind of creates an ethical quandary because we wouldn't want to not report out when we find other cancers there .

Speaker #5: So the performance is really strong . And one of the reasons why the numbers are lower and some of those other categories is because not a lot of patients are found at early stage , because there are no existing screening modalities that are very effective .

Speaker #5: And so we'll see that continue to play out over time . Where , you know , with our technology and our test , we will be the ones finding those early stage cancers .

Speaker #5: And so those numbers will go up simply because we're we're now able to find them at the early stage

Luke Power: Those numbers will go up, simply because we're now able to find them at the early stage.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Donnelly of Citi . Your line is now open .

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Donnelly of Citi. Your line is now open.

Speaker #11: Hey , guys . Thanks for taking the questions . Probably one for Luke , I think a little bit of a follow up there .

Patrick Donnelly: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Probably one for Luke. I think a little bit of a follow-up there. I just wanted to talk through what's baked into the guide for the new hires. How are you thinking about the pacing of hiring? How quickly they become productive? Is there anything for MSIA in the numbers? Just wanted to talk through that.

Speaker #11: I just want to talk through what's baked into the guide for the new hires . How are you thinking about the pacing of hiring , how quickly they become productive ?

Speaker #11: And then, is there anything for MST in the numbers? Just want to talk through that.

Speaker #9: Yeah . So on the new hires , Patrick , effectively , we're trying to get everything done in the first half of the year , getting them hired as quickly as possible .

Luke Power: Yeah. On the new hires, Patrick, effectively, we're trying to get everything done in the first half of the year, getting them hired as quickly as possible. That's baked into kind of those-

Speaker #9: So that's baked into kind of those .

Speaker #12: Baba .

Bobby Hill: Obviously.

Speaker #9: Yeah , yeah yeah .

Luke Power: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker #12: And I want to do it . Yeah yeah . So we are we have already posted all of the positions that we ramp up in the first phase .

Bobby Hill: You just won't do it.

Luke Power: Yeah.

Bobby Hill: Yeah. We have already posted all of the positions that we ramp up in the first phase. We've already started hiring for positions that have been posted already in 2026. We made this decision and announcement internally on January 6, and when we've been ramping up those new hires. We're also going to be ramping up hiring for MSIA as a field-based sales force along with the announcement that we had with the partnership with Everlywell that we announced back in January. We're ramping up a multi-channel approach in order to address both of those markets. We've also updated our training, both how we internally get people up to speed in order just to help physicians and patients with comprehensive genomic profiling with our current offering and set us up for our new launches.

Speaker #12: We've already started hiring for positions that have been posted already in 2026 . We made this decision and announcement to on January 6th .

Speaker #12: And we've been ramping up those new hires . We're also going to be ramping up hiring for MST as a field based sales force , along with the announcement that we had with the partnership with Everlywell that we announced back in January .

Speaker #12: And so we're ramping up a multi-channel approach in order to address both . Both of those markets . And then we've also updated our training , both how we internally get people up to speed in order to to help physicians and patients with comprehensive genomic profiling .

Speaker #12: With our current offering and set us up for our new launches

Speaker #11: That's helpful . I appreciate that . And then obviously , a lot of talk on MSI just quickly wanted to check on the part of the portfolio .

Kyle Mikson: That's helpful. I appreciate that. Obviously a lot of talk on MCED. Just quickly wanted to check on the MRD part of the portfolio. Any catalysts we can be looking out for, timelines would be helpful. Thank you, guys.

Patrick Donnelly: That's helpful. I appreciate that. Obviously a lot of talk on MCED. Just quickly wanted to check on the MRD part of the portfolio. Any catalysts we can be looking out for, timelines would be helpful. Thank you, guys.

Speaker #11: Any catalysts we can be looking out for timelines would be helpful . Thank you guys

David Spetzler: We have to collect more data. Part of that process is the maturing of clinical outcome data. We're not guiding to any timeline on that front. Just have to keep accruing samples and outcome data.

Speaker #5: We have to collect more data and part of that process is the maturing of clinical outcome data . So we don't we're not guiding to any timeline on that front .

Speaker #5: Just have to keep accruing samples and outcome data

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Mark Massaro of Btig . Your line is now open .

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Mark Massaro of BTIG. Your line is now open.

Speaker #11: Hey , guys .

Mark Massaro: Hey, guys. Thanks, and congrats on a strong 2025. I did wanna follow up on the MCED commentary. It's interesting you guys indicated that you do plan to have a sales force for the MCED opportunity. Can you just give us a sense for, you know, by the end of 2026 or the end of 2027, can you give us a sense for sizing? You know, I think Guardant is out there now with about 300, with plans to go to 600. I was just curious if you could give us maybe some type of a sense of what type of size you would want direct relative to some of your partners like Everlywell.

Speaker #13: Thanks and congrats on a strong 2025 . I did want to follow up on the the MSI commentary . It's interesting you guys indicated that you do plan to to have a field force sales force for the MSI opportunity .

Speaker #13: Can you just give us a sense for , you know , by the end of 26 or the end of 27 , can you give us a sense for sizing ?

Speaker #13: I think garden is out there now with about 300 , with plans to go to 600 . I was just curious if you could give us maybe some type of sense of what type of size you would want direct relative to some of your partners , like Everlywell .

Speaker #12: Yeah , I think a good question . I think as Luke mentioned , when we take a measured approach , we'll take a measured approach .

Bobby Hill: Yeah, I think. A good question. I think, as Luke mentioned, when we take a measured approach, we'll take a measured approach when we build out our MCED sales force. We'll start small. We know where to target. We've already had some collaboration discussions. We'll take a measured approach as we get through the year and look at capacity and go through the launch.

Speaker #12: When we build out our MST sales force , we'll start small and we know where to target . We've already had some collaboration discussions , and we'll take a measured approach as we get through the year and look at capacity and go through the launch

Speaker #13: That makes sense . And then one for David Spetzler . Can you give us a sense for timing on achieve two and maybe just the I don't know if it's 10 or 15,000 subjects , but just give us a sense of the the size .

Mark Massaro: That makes sense. One for David Spetzler. Can you give us a sense for timing on ACHIEVE Two? Maybe just the, I don't know if it's 10 or 15,000 subjects, but just give us a sense of the size. Are there any particular bogeys that you're looking at either for stage one or stage two sensitivity?

Speaker #13: And are there any particular bogeys that you're looking at either for stage one or stage two sensitivity

Speaker #5: So achieve two will be 25,000 total , a big part of that are precancerous components . So we'd really like to be able to characterize the performance of our test in patients that have polyps .

David Spetzler: ACHIEVE Two will be 25,000 total. A big part of that are precancerous components. We'd really like to be able to characterize the performance of our test in patients that have, you know, polyps, for example. That'll be a big part of that cohort. We still need to enroll, you know, probably 8,000 or so patients in order to hit that final number. That, you know, the flip side of that means that we have about 18,000 samples in-house now that we can start running. Just like we did with ACHIEVE One, we'll issue interim results as we get them and characterize test performance in these populations of patients where there's an opportunity to act before it turns into cancer.

Speaker #5: For example . And that'll be a big part of that . That cohort . We still need to enroll . You know , probably 8000 or so patients in order to hit that final number , but that , you know , the flip side of that means that we have about 18,000 samples in-house .

Speaker #5: Now that we can start running . So just like we did with achieve one , we'll issue interim results as we get them .

Speaker #5: And characterize test performance and these populations of patients where there's an opportunity to act before it turns into cancer , because that's going to help bend that mortality curve massively .

David Spetzler: That's gonna help bend that mortality curve massively.

Speaker #13: And maybe just to clarify , are able to launch carries , detect even absent the full readout of achieve two or how are you thinking about the timing of that .

Mark Massaro: Maybe just to clarify, are you able to launch KRAS Detect even absent the full readout of ACHIEVE Two? How are you thinking about the timing of that?

Speaker #5: Yeah, we're going to launch when we have the final readout on Achieve One. So Achieve One is our final accuracy study that will enable launch.

David Spetzler: Yeah. We're gonna launch, when we have the final readout on ACHIEVE One. ACHIEVE One is our final accuracy study that will enable launch.

Speaker #13: Okay. Great. Thanks for the time.

Mark Massaro: Okay, great. Thanks for the time.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Mixon of Canaccord Genuity . Your line is now open .

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Mikson of Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Speaker #14: Hey guys . Thanks for the questions . Congrats on a great year on terrorist attacks . I didn't I was trying to calculate PPV and some other metrics here .

Kyle Mikson: Hey, guys. Thanks for the questions. Congrats on a great year. On Caris Detect, I was trying to calculate PPV and some other metrics here. It doesn't seem possible. The data's pretty good. I just wanted to ask if you could provide a little bit more color. I know it's interim, but still. Just given the data's solid, how does this, you know, validate the $3,500 price point? You know, what have folks like Everlywell commented and things like that? Honestly, how do you think about COGS getting low over time too? I don't know if you've spoken to that in the past. Thanks.

Speaker #14: Doesn't seem possible . Data is pretty good . I just wanted to ask if you could provide a little bit more color . I know it's interim , but still .

Speaker #14: And then just given the data solid , how does this you know , validate the $3,500 price point and you know , what of folks like Everlywell commented and things like that .

Speaker #14: And honestly , how do you think about Cogs getting low over time to I don't know if you've spoken to that in the past .

Speaker #5: Yeah . So you can't really calculate PPV because it's still a case control study where it's about one third cancer patients to two third controls and PPV is dependent upon the patient population and the incidence rate .

David Spetzler: Yeah. You can't really calculate the PPV because it's still a case control study, where it's about one-third cancer patients to two-third controls. PPV is dependent upon the patient population and the incidence rate. I mean, you can kind of use that 7% to address the PPV calculation if you want to. In terms of the price point, we don't think $3,500 is that high at all given the fact that this test actually works, and nothing else out there is able to detect early stage cancers.

Speaker #5: I mean , in that high risk setting , right . Having a 7% undiagnosed cancer rate is pretty high . And that's indicative of that enrichment that we did .

Speaker #5: And so we can certainly I mean , you can kind of use that 7% to to address the PPV calculation . If you want to in terms of the price point , we don't think .

Speaker #5: 3500 is that high at all , given the fact that this test actually works and nothing else out there is able to detect early stage cancers .

Speaker #5: I mean , we're we we have introduced and are introducing a new technology that has a high cost to it it works really , really well .

David Spetzler: I mean, we've, we have introduced and are introducing a new technology that has a high cost to it, because it works really, really well. From our perspective, this is really more about the death of inferior technologies like methylation, and being replaced by superior technologies like whole genome sequencing.

Speaker #5: And so from our perspective , this is really more about the death of inferior technical technologies like methylation and being replaced by superior technologies like whole genome sequencing

Speaker #14: All right . Great . Thanks for that . Any sense about the PPV in the case ? Control everything . Final one maybe for Luke on the the EBITDA and lack of EBITDA guidance , which I guess makes sense .

Mark Massaro: All right. Great. Thanks for that. It makes sense about the PPV and the case control and everything. Final one, maybe for Luke on the EBITDA and lack of an EBITDA guidance, which I guess makes sense. If you take out the true-ups for, you know, in 2025, you had maybe like a few million in adjusted EBITDA. What's the reasoning to not provide a more refined range for this year? Is that gonna be MCED kind of investment or other pipeline spending, anything else?

Kyle Mikson: All right. Great. Thanks for that. It makes sense about the PPV and the case control and everything. Final one, maybe for Luke on the EBITDA and lack of an EBITDA guidance, which I guess makes sense. If you take out the true-ups for, you know, in 2025, you had maybe like a few million in adjusted EBITDA. What's the reasoning to not provide a more refined range for this year? Is that gonna be MCED kind of investment or other pipeline spending, anything else?

Speaker #14: But if you take out the troops in 25 , you had maybe a few million in adjusted EBITDA . What's the reasoning to not provide a more refined range for for this year ?

Speaker #14: Is that going to be the kind of investment or other pipeline spending ? Anything else ?

Speaker #9: Yeah , it's going to be all of the above effectively , because we have a huge opportunity , not just with obviously achieve one .

Luke Power: Yeah, it's gonna be all of the above, effectively, because we have a huge opportunity, not just with obviously ACHIEVE One we're so excited about in early detection, which is gonna be massive, but also just because we're able to prove the profitability thesis, we wanna utilize that going in. Like you brought up the point of like 2025, like we had $136 million adjusted EBITDA. Even if you exclude the prior year stuff, it's still above $100 million adjusted EBITDA. I wanna utilize that as we go into 2026, and that's kind of our focus. Now we are gonna be diligent with that. We're not gonna start burning like $250 million a year because we're in the position that we're in, but we're in a great position, and we're just gonna use that.

Speaker #9: We're so excited about in early detection , which is going to be massive . But also just because we're able to prove the profitability thesis , we want to utilize that going in .

Speaker #9: So like you brought up the point of like 2025 , like we had 136 million adjusted EBITDA . Even if you exclude the prior year stuff , it's still above 100 million adjusted EBITDA .

Speaker #9: So I want to utilize that as we go into 2026 . And that's kind of our focus now . We are going to be diligent with that .

Speaker #9: We're not going to start burning like $250 million a year because we're in the position that we're in, but we're in a great position and we're just going to use that.

Speaker #9: So I don't want to get tied down with guiding each quarter to a profitability metric

Luke Power: I don't wanna get tied down with guiding each quarter to a profitability metric.

Speaker #14: Got it. Thanks, guys.

Michael Ryskin: Got it. Thanks, guys.

Kyle Mikson: Got it. Thanks, guys.

Operator: I'm showing no further questions at this time. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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