Q4 2025 Compass Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Hello everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to the Compass, Inc. 2025 Q4 earnings call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session.
Operator: Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us, welcome to the Compass, Inc. 2025 Q4 earnings call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I would now like to turn our call over to Soham Bhonsle, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Operator: Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us, welcome to the Compass, Inc. 2025 Q4 earnings call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I would now like to turn our call over to Soham Bhonsle, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. I would now like to turn our call over to Soham Bhonsle, Head of Investor Relations.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Soham Bhonsle: Thank you very much, operator. Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining the Compass Q4 2025 earnings call. Joining us today will be Robert Reffkin, our Founder and CEO, and Scott Wahlers, our Chief Financial Officer. In discussing our company's performance, we will refer to some non-GAAP measures. You can find the reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in our Q4 2025 earnings release posted on our investor relations website. Any discussion regarding organic revenue, organic OPEX, organic transactions, or organic GTV excludes activity from businesses we acquired since 1 October 2024. We will make forward-looking statements that are based on our current expectations, forecasts, and assumptions, and involve risks and uncertainties.
Soham Bhonsle: Thank you very much, operator. Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining the Compass Q4 2025 earnings call. Joining us today will be Robert Reffkin, our Founder and CEO, and Scott Wahlers, our Chief Financial Officer. In discussing our company's performance, we will refer to some non-GAAP measures. You can find the reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in our Q4 2025 earnings release posted on our investor relations website.
Speaker #2: operator. And good afternoon, everybody. And thank you for joining the Compass fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. Joining us today will be Robert Reffkin, our founder and CEO, and Scott Wahlers, our Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #2: In discussing our company's performance, we will refer to some non-GAAP measures. You can find the reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in our fourth quarter 2025 earnings release posted on our investor relations website.
Soham Bhonsle: Any discussion regarding organic revenue, organic OPEX, organic transactions, or organic GTV excludes activity from businesses we acquired since 1 October 2024. We will make forward-looking statements that are based on our current expectations, forecasts, and assumptions, and involve risks and uncertainties.
Speaker #2: Any discussion regarding organic revenue, organic OPEX, organic transactions, or organic GTV excludes activity from businesses we acquired since October 1, 2024. We will make forward-looking statements that are based on our current expectations forecasts and assumptions and involve risks and uncertainties.
Speaker #2: These statements include our guidance for the first quarter of 2026, the recently closed anywhere transaction, and full year 2026 and beyond, including comments related to our expectations for operational achievements.
Soham Bhonsle: These statements include our guidance for Q1 2026, the recently closed Anywhere transaction, and full year 2026 and beyond, including comments related to our expectations for operational achievements. Our actual results may differ materially from these statements. You can find more information about risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could affect our results in the most recent annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC and available on our investor relations website. You should not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements. All information in this presentation is as of today's date, 26 February 2026. We expressly disclaim any obligation to update this information. I will now turn the call over to Robert Reffkin. Robert.
Soham Bhonsle: These statements include our guidance for Q1 2026, the recently closed Anywhere transaction, and full year 2026 and beyond, including comments related to our expectations for operational achievements. Our actual results may differ materially from these statements. You can find more information about risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could affect our results in the most recent annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC and available on our investor relations website. You should not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: Our actual results may differ materially from these statements. You can find more information about risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could affect our results in the most recent annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC and available on our investor relations website.
Speaker #2: You should not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements. All information in this presentation is as of today's date February 26. We expressly disclaim any obligation to update this information.
Soham Bhonsle: All information in this presentation is as of today's date, 26 February 2026. We expressly disclaim any obligation to update this information. I will now turn the call over to Robert Reffkin. Robert.
Speaker #2: I will now turn the call over to Robert Reffkin. Robert?
Speaker #3: Good afternoon and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter conference call. I am thrilled to speak with you today for the first time as CEO and Chairman of our newly combined company which serves 340,000 real estate professionals in over 2,000 franchise broker owners across 120 countries and territories.
Robert Reffkin: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for our Q4 conference call. I am thrilled to speak with you today for the first time as CEO and Chairman of our newly combined company, which serves 340,000 real estate professionals and over 2,000 franchise broker-owners across 120 countries and territories. On today's call, I will be discussing five topics. First, I will provide a quick recap of our record Q4 2025 results. Second, I'll discuss the historic Rocket Redfin partnership we just announced and how it significantly expands home seller choice and provides extraordinary value to our real estate professionals. Third, I'll touch on our four sustainable financial advantages. Fourth, an update on our integration and cost synergy efforts. I'll end by touching on AI and why I believe it will become a structural tailwind for our business.
Robert Reffkin: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for our Q4 conference call. I am thrilled to speak with you today for the first time as CEO and Chairman of our newly combined company, which serves 340,000 real estate professionals and over 2,000 franchise broker-owners across 120 countries and territories. On today's call, I will be discussing five topics. First, I will provide a quick recap of our record Q4 2025 results. Second, I'll discuss the historic Rocket Redfin partnership we just announced and how it significantly expands home seller choice and provides extraordinary value to our real estate professionals.
Speaker #3: On today's call, I will be discussing five topics. First, I will provide a quick recap of our record Q4 in 2025 results. Second, I'll discuss the historic rocket redfin partnership we just announced and how it significantly expands home seller choice and provides extraordinary value to our real estate professionals.
Speaker #3: Third, I'll touch on our four sustainable financial advantages. Fourth, an update on our integration and cost synergy efforts. And I'll end by touching on AI and why I believe it will become a structural tailwind for our business.
Robert Reffkin: Third, I'll touch on our four sustainable financial advantages. Fourth, an update on our integration and cost synergy efforts. I'll end by touching on AI and why I believe it will become a structural tailwind for our business.
Speaker #3: Starting with our Q4 results, in Q4, Compass delivered record fourth quarter revenue of $1.7 billion. Delivered record fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA of $58 million.
Robert Reffkin: Starting with our Q4 results. In Q4, Compass delivered record Q4 revenue of $1.7 billion, delivered record Q4 Adjusted EBITDA of $58 million. Both our revenue and Adjusted EBITDA came in above the high end of our guide. We also delivered record Q4 Adjusted EBITDA margin, delivered the best organic principal agent recruiting quarter for Q4, as we added 830 principal agents. The Compass platform hit a Q4 record of 20 average weekly sessions per agent. We grew our Q4 title and escrow revenue to record levels. We grew our mortgage JV earnings to record Q4 levels. Lastly, we grew our title and escrow attach in our legacy markets to all-time highs in Q4.
Robert Reffkin: Starting with our Q4 results. In Q4, Compass delivered record Q4 revenue of $1.7 billion, delivered record Q4 Adjusted EBITDA of $58 million. Both our revenue and Adjusted EBITDA came in above the high end of our guide. We also delivered record Q4 Adjusted EBITDA margin, delivered the best organic principal agent recruiting quarter for Q4, as we added 830 principal agents. The Compass platform hit a Q4 record of 20 average weekly sessions per agent. We grew our Q4 title and escrow revenue to record levels.
Speaker #3: Both our revenue and adjusted EBITDA came in above the high end of our guide. We also delivered record fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA margin. Delivered the best organic principal agent recruiting quarter for Q4.
Speaker #3: As we added $830 principal agents. The Compass platform hit a Q4 record of $20 average weekly sessions per agent. We grew our Q4 title and escrow revenue to record levels.
Speaker #3: We drew our mortgage JV earnings to record Q4 levels. And lastly, we grew our title and escrow attached in our legacy markets to all-time highs in Q4.
Robert Reffkin: We grew our mortgage JV earnings to record Q4 levels. Lastly, we grew our title and escrow attach in our legacy markets to all-time highs in Q4.
Speaker #3: 2025 was also record year for Compass as we generated approximately $7 billion in revenue. Surpassing our prior peak of $6.4 billion in 2021. When the housing market was approximately 50% above current levels of annualized home sales.
Robert Reffkin: 2025 was also a record year for Compass as we generated approximately $7 billion in revenue, surpassing our prior peak of $6.4 billion in 2021, when the housing market was approximately 50% above current levels of annualized home sales. We generated Adjusted EBITDA of $293 million, which was the highest ever in our history. We produced operating cash flow of $217 million, which is also an all-time high for the company. None of these results would have been possible without each and every member of the Compass team. I want to sincerely thank the entire team for their maniacal execution and unwavering hard work in what has been, by any objective measure, one of the toughest housing markets in a generation.
Robert Reffkin: 2025 was also a record year for Compass as we generated approximately $7 billion in revenue, surpassing our prior peak of $6.4 billion in 2021, when the housing market was approximately 50% above current levels of annualized home sales. We generated Adjusted EBITDA of $293 million, which was the highest ever in our history. We produced operating cash flow of $217 million, which is also an all-time high for the company. None of these results would have been possible without each and every member of the Compass team.
Speaker #3: We generated adjusted EBITDA of $293 million, which was the highest ever in our history. And we produced operating cash flow of $217 million dollars, which is also an all-time high for the company.
Speaker #3: None of these results would have been possible without each and every member of the Compass team. I want to sincerely thank the entire team for their maniacal execution and unwavering hard work in what has been by any objective measure one of the toughest housing markets in a generation.
Robert Reffkin: I want to sincerely thank the entire team for their maniacal execution and unwavering hard work in what has been, by any objective measure, one of the toughest housing markets in a generation.
Speaker #3: Now, let me touch on the unprecedented step we took today. To ensure home seller choice through our partnership with Rocket Redfin. At Compass, we firmly believe that home sellers deserve the right to freely market their homes when, where, and how they want.
Robert Reffkin: Now, let me touch on the unprecedented step we took today to ensure home seller choice through our partnership with Rocket Redfin.... At Compass, we firmly believe that home sellers deserve the right to freely market their home when, where, and how they want. We also believe that home sellers should also have the right to publicly market their listings without negative insights, such as days on market and price drop history, amongst others. Currently, however, the Zillow ban forces home sellers to give them their listings within 24 hours of publicly marketing a property, even if they don't want to be on Zillow, and places negative insights such as days on market and price drop history on all listings. This is just wrong. Home sellers should have the freedom to publicly market their home wherever and however they want, without the fear of being banned off a platform.
Robert Reffkin: Now, let me touch on the unprecedented step we took today to ensure home seller choice through our partnership with Rocket Redfin.... At Compass, we firmly believe that home sellers deserve the right to freely market their home when, where, and how they want. We also believe that home sellers should also have the right to publicly market their listings without negative insights, such as days on market and price drop history, amongst others.
Speaker #3: We also believe that home sellers should also have the right to publicly market their listings without negative insights such as days on market and price drop history, amongst others.
Robert Reffkin: Currently, however, the Zillow ban forces home sellers to give them their listings within 24 hours of publicly marketing a property, even if they don't want to be on Zillow, and places negative insights such as days on market and price drop history on all listings. This is just wrong. Home sellers should have the freedom to publicly market their home wherever and however they want, without the fear of being banned off a platform.
Speaker #3: Currently, however, the Zillow ban forces home sellers to give them their listings within 24 hours of publicly marketing a property, even if they don't want to be on Zillow.
Speaker #3: And places negative insights such as days on market and price drop history on all listings. This is just wrong. Home sellers should have the freedom to publicly market their home wherever and however they want, without the fear of being banned off a platform.
Speaker #3: The Rocket Redfin partnership we announced today stands up for home seller choice. As it provides homeowners the flexibility in how they introduce their homes to the market and does not subject homeowners to any negative insights for listings off Zillow.
Robert Reffkin: The Rocket-Redfin partnership we announced today stands up for home seller choice, as it provides homeowners the flexibility in how they introduce their homes to the market and does not subject homeowners to any negative insights for listings off Zillow. There are four highly accretive pillars to this partnership. First, our agents will have the opportunity to receive $1.2 million high-intent leads from redfin.com and Rocket Mortgage over the course of our 3-year strategic alliance. The partnership is also structured in a way to provide us with an increase in lead flow in each of the 3 years, with potential upside in year 3, depending on conversion rates.
Robert Reffkin: The Rocket-Redfin partnership we announced today stands up for home seller choice, as it provides homeowners the flexibility in how they introduce their homes to the market and does not subject homeowners to any negative insights for listings off Zillow. There are four highly accretive pillars to this partnership. First, our agents will have the opportunity to receive $1.2 million high-intent leads from redfin.com and Rocket Mortgage over the course of our 3-year strategic alliance.
Speaker #3: There are four highly accretive pillars to this partnership. First, our agents will have the opportunity to receive $1.2 million high-intent lease from Redfin.com and Rocket Mortgage over the course of our three-year strategic alliance.
Speaker #3: The partnership is also structured in a way to provide us with an increase in lead flow in each of the three years with potential upside in year three depending on conversion rates.
Robert Reffkin: The partnership is also structured in a way to provide us with an increase in lead flow in each of the 3 years, with potential upside in year 3, depending on conversion rates.
Speaker #3: Second, our unique inventory will be on Redfin.com, with all leads on these listings routed directly to our listing agents across all of our brands including but not limited to ad properties, better homes and gardens, real estate, Century 21, Christie's International Real Estate, Coldwell Banker, Compass, Corcoran, ERA, and Sotheby's International Realty.
Robert Reffkin: Second, our unique inventory will be on redfin.com, with all leads on these listings routed directly to our listing agents across all of our brands, including, but not limited to, @properties, Better Homes and Gardens Real Estate, CENTURY 21, Christie's International Real Estate, Coldwell Banker, Compass, Corcoran, ERA, and Sotheby's International Realty. This will supercharge the amount of unique inventory publicly marketed on redfin.com in our brokerage websites, because more homeowners will choose to become sellers. For example, homeowners who are reluctant to put their homes for sale for fear of negative insights or due to the time of the year, before the fall market, in the winter, over the summer, will now have access to 60 million monthly active users without the risk of days on market or price drop history, and their coming soon listings will be prioritized on Redfin.
Robert Reffkin: Second, our unique inventory will be on redfin.com, with all leads on these listings routed directly to our listing agents across all of our brands, including, but not limited to, @properties, Better Homes and Gardens Real Estate, CENTURY 21, Christie's International Real Estate, Coldwell Banker, Compass, Corcoran, ERA, and Sotheby's International Realty. This will supercharge the amount of unique inventory publicly marketed on redfin.com in our brokerage websites, because more homeowners will choose to become sellers.
Speaker #3: This will supercharge the amount of unique inventory publicly marketed on Redfin.com and our brokerage websites. Because more homeowners will choose to become sellers. For example, homeowners who are reluctant to put their homes for sale for fear of negative insights or due to the time of the year, before the fall market, in the winter, over the summer, will now have access to $60 million monthly active users without the risk of days on market or price drop history.
Robert Reffkin: For example, homeowners who are reluctant to put their homes for sale for fear of negative insights or due to the time of the year, before the fall market, in the winter, over the summer, will now have access to 60 million monthly active users without the risk of days on market or price drop history, and their coming soon listings will be prioritized on Redfin.
Speaker #3: And their coming-to listings will be prioritized on Redfin. This will bring more inventory to the market because it eliminates the artificial barrier that home sellers have to list their home.
Robert Reffkin: This will bring more inventory to the market because it eliminates the artificial barrier that home sellers have to list their home, such as days on market, price drop history. Keep in mind, only 4 million people buy homes a year. 60 million consumers reflects 15 times the amount of buyers that are buying a year. Third, with this partnership, we are reclaiming the digital yard sign for our agents and our brokerage brands, as our agents' name and their brokerage affiliation will be prominently displayed on each unique listing. This benefit cannot be understated, as it will significantly expand consumer awareness of our agents and our 9 brokerage brands.
Robert Reffkin: This will bring more inventory to the market because it eliminates the artificial barrier that home sellers have to list their home, such as days on market, price drop history. Keep in mind, only 4 million people buy homes a year. 60 million consumers reflects 15 times the amount of buyers that are buying a year. Third, with this partnership, we are reclaiming the digital yard sign for our agents and our brokerage brands, as our agents' name and their brokerage affiliation will be prominently displayed on each unique listing.
Speaker #3: Such as days on market, price drop history. Keep in mind, only $4 million people buy homes a year. So $60 million consumers reflects 15 times the amount of buyers that are buying a year.
Speaker #3: Third, with this partnership, we are reclaiming the digital yard sign for our agents and our brokerage brands. As our agents' names and their brokerage affiliation will be prominently displayed on each unique listing.
Speaker #3: This benefit cannot be understated. As it will significantly expand consumer awareness of our agents and our nine brokerage brands. Fourth, we believe the partnership will make home buying more affordable by increasing the amount of inventory on the market that otherwise would not be there.
Robert Reffkin: This benefit cannot be understated, as it will significantly expand consumer awareness of our agents and our 9 brokerage brands.
Robert Reffkin: Fourth, we believe the partnership will make home buying more affordable by increasing the amount of inventory on the market that otherwise would not be there, and by offering home buyers 1 percentage point off their mortgage rate in year 1 or up to $6,000 in lender paid credits through Rocket Mortgage. Now, I would like to discuss the four sustainable financial advantages we are focused on going forward, including a higher than industry revenue per transaction, a leading cost to serve position in the industry, an expanding LTV per agent, and lastly, lower customer acquisition costs. Starting with our higher than industry revenue per transaction. We expect to achieve this by becoming the leader in delivering value-added services for real estate professionals through platform-driven attach, as opposed to just the traditional channels used by other brokerages.
Robert Reffkin: Fourth, we believe the partnership will make home buying more affordable by increasing the amount of inventory on the market that otherwise would not be there, and by offering home buyers 1 percentage point off their mortgage rate in year 1 or up to $6,000 in lender paid credits through Rocket Mortgage. Now, I would like to discuss the four sustainable financial advantages we are focused on going forward, including a higher than industry revenue per transaction, a leading cost to serve position in the industry, an expanding LTV per agent, and lastly, lower customer acquisition costs. Starting with our higher than industry revenue per transaction.
Speaker #3: And by offering home buyers 1 percentage point off their mortgage rate in year one or up to $6,000 in lender-paid credits through Rocket Mortgage.
Speaker #3: Now, I would like to discuss the four sustainable financial advantages we are focused on going forward. These include a higher-than-industry revenue per transaction, a leading cost-to-serve position in the industry, an expanding LTV per agent, and, lastly, lower customer acquisition costs.
Speaker #3: Starting with our higher-than-industry revenue per transaction, we expect to achieve this by becoming the leader in delivering value-added services for real estate professionals through platform-driven attach, as opposed to just the traditional channels used by other brokerages.
Robert Reffkin: We expect to achieve this by becoming the leader in delivering value-added services for real estate professionals through platform-driven attach, as opposed to just the traditional channels used by other brokerages.
Speaker #3: This includes current services such as title and escrow, mortgage, home insurance, home warranty, and moving services. But also potential future services we may consider such as solar, home security, and other agent services such as property marketing, business spend, digital ads, property videos, 3D renderings, real estate sign production, open house brochures, photography, and more.
Robert Reffkin: This includes current services such as title and escrow, mortgage, home insurance, home warranty, and moving services, but also potential future services we may consider, such as solar, home security, and other agent services, such as property marketing, business spend, digital ads, property videos, 3D renderings, real estate sign production, open house brochures, photography, and more. With an incremental TAM of more than $150 billion from these value-added services, Compass's potential revenue per transaction could be multiples above the industry average, creating a sustainable financial advantage relative to our competitors. Our second sustainable financial advantage will be to have the lowest cost to serve position in the industry. Since 2021, we have already reduced our cost to serve per transaction at Compass by over 30%, driven by platform improvements, process optimization, offshoring, and AI.
Robert Reffkin: This includes current services such as title and escrow, mortgage, home insurance, home warranty, and moving services, but also potential future services we may consider, such as solar, home security, and other agent services, such as property marketing, business spend, digital ads, property videos, 3D renderings, real estate sign production, open house brochures, photography, and more. With an incremental TAM of more than $150 billion from these value-added services, Compass's potential revenue per transaction could be multiples above the industry average, creating a sustainable financial advantage relative to our competitors.
Speaker #3: With an incremental TAM of more than $150 billion from these value-added services, Compass's potential revenue per transaction could be multiples above the industry average.
Speaker #3: Creating a sustainable financial advantage relative to our competitors. Our second sustainable financial advantage will be to have the lowest cost-to-serve position in the industry.
Robert Reffkin: Our second sustainable financial advantage will be to have the lowest cost to serve position in the industry. Since 2021, we have already reduced our cost to serve per transaction at Compass by over 30%, driven by platform improvements, process optimization, offshoring, and AI.
Speaker #3: Since 2021, we have already reduced our cost-to-serve per transaction at Compass by over 30%, driven by platform improvements, process optimization, offshoring, and AI. However, with Anywhere, we see significant opportunity to lower our cost-to-serve further as we, one, build a best-in-class centralized services operation that will be the most efficient in the industry.
Robert Reffkin: However, with Anywhere, we see significant opportunity to lower our cost to serve further as we, one, build a best-in-class centralized services operation that will be the most efficient in the industry. Two, offshore more back-end operations, and three, leverage AI to automate workflows and expand self-service tools on the platform. As early proof of how AI can help lower our combined cost to serve, in the 5 short months since we rolled out an enterprise-wide AI learn effort at Compass, the team has already identified potential annualized efficiencies in the vicinity of $20 million, 2% of our Compass OPEX, which should allow us to limit OPEX growth as the business grows.
Robert Reffkin: However, with Anywhere, we see significant opportunity to lower our cost to serve further as we, one, build a best-in-class centralized services operation that will be the most efficient in the industry. Two, offshore more back-end operations, and three, leverage AI to automate workflows and expand self-service tools on the platform. As early proof of how AI can help lower our combined cost to serve, in the 5 short months since we rolled out an enterprise-wide AI learn effort at Compass, the team has already identified potential annualized efficiencies in the vicinity of $20 million, 2% of our Compass OPEX, which should allow us to limit OPEX growth as the business grows.
Speaker #3: Two, offshore more back-end operations and three, leverage AI to automate workflows and expand self-service tools on the platform. As early proof of how AI can help lower our combined cost-to-serve.
Speaker #3: In the five short months since we rolled out an enterprise-wide AI learning effort at Compass. The team has already identified potential annualized efficiencies in the vicinity of $20 million.
Speaker #3: 2% of our Compass OPEX. Which should allow us to limit OPEX growth as the business grows. At anywhere, approximately two-thirds of all documents in their brokerage business are already processed through AI-driven automation.
Robert Reffkin: At Anywhere, approximately two-thirds of all documents in their brokerage business are already processed through AI-driven automation. Anywhere's AI-based document assignment engine already operates at 89% accuracy and will continue to learn from the largest transaction data set in the industry. Furthermore, Anywhere is also extending their capabilities through agentic AI, including automation of wire claims to accelerate resolution and help agents get paid faster, which lowers cost but also improves the agent experience. By doing all of the above and ultimately establishing the lowest cost-to-serve position in the industry, we believe we will be able to drive better brokerage incremental margins than in the past, which should serve us well, particularly as industry volumes begin to normalize. Our third sustainable financial advantage will be our expanding LTV per agent as we bring more than 340,000 of our real estate professionals onto one connected platform.
Robert Reffkin: At Anywhere, approximately two-thirds of all documents in their brokerage business are already processed through AI-driven automation. Anywhere's AI-based document assignment engine already operates at 89% accuracy and will continue to learn from the largest transaction data set in the industry. Furthermore, Anywhere is also extending their capabilities through agentic AI, including automation of wire claims to accelerate resolution and help agents get paid faster, which lowers cost but also improves the agent experience.
Speaker #3: Anywhere's AI-based document assignment engine already operates at 89% accuracy. And will continue to learn from the largest transaction dataset in the industry. Furthermore, anywhere is also extending their capabilities through agentic AI.
Speaker #3: Including automation of wire claims, to accelerate resolution and help agents get paid faster which lowers cost, but also improves the agent experience. By doing all of the above and ultimately establishing the lowest cost-to-serve position in the industry, we believe we will be able to drive better brokerage incremental margins than in the past.
Robert Reffkin: By doing all of the above and ultimately establishing the lowest cost-to-serve position in the industry, we believe we will be able to drive better brokerage incremental margins than in the past, which should serve us well, particularly as industry volumes begin to normalize. Our third sustainable financial advantage will be our expanding LTV per agent as we bring more than 340,000 of our real estate professionals onto one connected platform.
Speaker #3: Which should serve us well particularly as industry volumes begin to normalize. Our third sustainable financial advantage will be our expanding LTV per agent. As we bring more than 340,000 of our real estate professionals onto one connected platform.
Speaker #3: By connecting our franchise broker owners and real estate professionals through one seamless platform, we will scale our best-in-class listing tools, coaching, innovative marketing programs, and AI capabilities to help grow their business and help them make more money by better serving their clients.
Robert Reffkin: By connecting our franchise broker-owners and real estate professionals through one seamless platform, we will scale our best-in-class listing tools, coaching, innovative marketing programs, and AI capabilities to help grow their business and help them make more money by better serving their clients. As we scale our offerings in a tech-forward manner, we believe we'll be able to drive better agent and franchise retention, higher agent and franchise productivity, higher attach on value-added services, improved agent outcomes, and lower recruiting costs. Our fourth sustainable financial advantage will be our declining cost of customer acquisition as we execute on our strategy to become the number one destination for buyers to find real estate professionals and homes for sale. As awareness around our unique inventory grows via the Rocket-Redfin partnership, we believe more and more home buyers will seek out our agents' listings and our agents for their advice.
Robert Reffkin: By connecting our franchise broker-owners and real estate professionals through one seamless platform, we will scale our best-in-class listing tools, coaching, innovative marketing programs, and AI capabilities to help grow their business and help them make more money by better serving their clients. As we scale our offerings in a tech-forward manner, we believe we'll be able to drive better agent and franchise retention, higher agent and franchise productivity, higher attach on value-added services, improved agent outcomes, and lower recruiting costs.
Speaker #3: As we scale our offerings in a tech-forward manner, we believe we'll be able to drive better agent and franchise retention, higher agent and franchise productivity, higher attach on value-added services, improved agent outcomes, and lower recruiting costs.
Speaker #3: Our fourth sustainable financial advantage will be our declining cost of customer acquisition. As we execute on our strategy to become the number one destination for buyers to find real estate professionals and homes for sale.
Robert Reffkin: Our fourth sustainable financial advantage will be our declining cost of customer acquisition as we execute on our strategy to become the number one destination for buyers to find real estate professionals and homes for sale. As awareness around our unique inventory grows via the Rocket-Redfin partnership, we believe more and more home buyers will seek out our agents' listings and our agents for their advice.
Speaker #3: As awareness around our unique inventory grows via the Rocket Redfin partnership, we believe more and more home buyers will seek out our agents' listings and our agents for their advice.
Speaker #3: This will lower our customer acquisition cost as our share of voice in the market increases and should provide our agents with incremental business opportunities.
Robert Reffkin: Bringing it all together, by combining our four sustainable financial advantages with what will continue to be a maniacal focus on OPEX and cost synergies, we believe we will build a more durable business model where Adjusted EBITDA grows faster than revenue growth in the future. Now, let me provide an update on our integration efforts and cost synergy targets. First, on integration. I wanna start by saying how pleased I am by how well both our management teams are working together.
Speaker #3: So bringing it all together, by combining our four sustainable financial advantages, with what will continue to be a maniacal focus on OPEX and cost synergies, we believe we will build a more durable business model, where adjusted EBITDA grows faster than revenue growth in the future.
Robert Reffkin: Bringing it all together, by combining our four sustainable financial advantages with what will continue to be a maniacal focus on OPEX and cost synergies, we believe we will build a more durable business model where Adjusted EBITDA grows faster than revenue growth in the future. Now, let me provide an update on our integration efforts and cost synergy targets. First, on integration. I wanna start by saying how pleased I am by how well both our management teams are working together.
Speaker #3: Now, let me provide an update on our integration efforts and cost synergy targets. First, on integration. I want to start by saying how pleased I am by how well both our management teams are working together.
Speaker #3: Since close, we've made great progress by deploying best practices and integration, including establishing a transformation office that will be the single control tower to ensure we are achieving our targets.
Robert Reffkin: Since close, we've made great progress by deploying best practices in integration, including establishing a transformation office that will be the single control tower to ensure we are achieving our targets, setting a clear roadmap to create a more efficient organization across each of our business units, and quickly creating clarity around the organization's spans and layers. Additionally, in the six and a half weeks since closing the transaction, I've had the opportunity to spend time with countless employees, franchise broker-owners, real estate professionals across all of Anywhere's six brands in many, many markets. Two themes have emerged from my conversations. First, there is broad-based excitement to be a part of the transformation our companies are going through. Second, the agents and broker-owners are really excited to get access to the technology platform.
Robert Reffkin: Since close, we've made great progress by deploying best practices in integration, including establishing a transformation office that will be the single control tower to ensure we are achieving our targets, setting a clear roadmap to create a more efficient organization across each of our business units, and quickly creating clarity around the organization's spans and layers. Additionally, in the six and a half weeks since closing the transaction, I've had the opportunity to spend time with countless employees, franchise broker-owners, real estate professionals across all of Anywhere's six brands in many, many markets.
Speaker #3: Setting a clear roadmap to create a more efficient organization across each of our business units. And quickly creating clarity around the organization's spans and layers.
Speaker #3: Additionally, in the six and a half weeks since closing the transaction, I've had the opportunity to spend time with countless employees, franchise broker owners, real estate professionals, across all of anywhere's six brands in many, many markets.
Speaker #3: Two themes have emerged from my conversations. First, there is broad-based excitement to be a part of the transformation our companies are going through. And second, the agents and broker owners are really excited to get access to the technology platform.
Robert Reffkin: Two themes have emerged from my conversations. First, there is broad-based excitement to be a part of the transformation our companies are going through. Second, the agents and broker-owners are really excited to get access to the technology platform.
Speaker #3: This excitement is bearing itself out in the numbers as well. As anywhere's GCI retention rate in its top two quartile of agents, representing 91% of anywhere's own broker GCI over the trailing 12-month period, hit the highest level ever recorded in the month of January.
Robert Reffkin: This excitement is bearing itself out in the numbers as well as Anywhere's GCI retention rate in its top two quartile of agents, representing 91% of Anywhere's own brokerage GCI over the trailing 12-month period, hit the highest level ever recorded in the month of January. Now, shifting over to our cost synergies. On our Q3 earnings call back in November, we stated a target of realizing $150 million in synergies in the first year and $300 million in net cost synergies over three years. I'm pleased to say that since close, just the six and a half weeks since close, we have actioned approximately $175 million in cost synergies.
Robert Reffkin: This excitement is bearing itself out in the numbers as well as Anywhere's GCI retention rate in its top two quartile of agents, representing 91% of Anywhere's own brokerage GCI over the trailing 12-month period, hit the highest level ever recorded in the month of January. Now, shifting over to our cost synergies. On our Q3 earnings call back in November, we stated a target of realizing $150 million in synergies in the first year and $300 million in net cost synergies over three years. I'm pleased to say that since close, just the six and a half weeks since close, we have actioned approximately $175 million in cost synergies.
Speaker #3: Now, shifting over to our cost synergies. On our Q3 earnings call back in November, we stated a target of realizing $150 million in synergies in the first year.
Speaker #3: And $300 million in net cost synergies over three years. I'm pleased to say that since close, just the six and a half weeks since close, we have actioned approximately $175 million in cost synergies.
Speaker #3: Based on the pace at which the team is moving, as well as their ability to collaborate and share data, I am making a CO commitment to action $250 million of cost synergies in the first year.
Robert Reffkin: Based on the pace at which the team is moving, as well as their ability to collaborate and share data, I am making a CEO commitment to action $250 million of cost synergies in the first year. Additionally, as we've spent more time working together as a collective team, we have increased confidence in our cost synergy opportunity. As such, I'm now making a CEO commitment to action $400 million in net cost synergies over three years. I look forward to updating you on our progress against our improved goals in the coming quarters. Now, I want to end by talking about the three components of our business that not only protect us from the threats of AI, but strengthen our business in the context of AI. The first is our proprietary data. The second is trust.
Robert Reffkin: Based on the pace at which the team is moving, as well as their ability to collaborate and share data, I am making a CEO commitment to action $250 million of cost synergies in the first year. Additionally, as we've spent more time working together as a collective team, we have increased confidence in our cost synergy opportunity. As such, I'm now making a CEO commitment to action $400 million in net cost synergies over three years. I look forward to updating you on our progress against our improved goals in the coming quarters.
Speaker #3: Additionally, as we spent more time working together as a collective team, we have increased confidence in our cost synergy opportunity. As such, I'm now making a CO commitment to action $400 million in net cost synergies over three years.
Speaker #3: I look forward to updating you on our progress against our improved goals in the coming quarters. Now, I want to end by talking about the three components of our business.
Robert Reffkin: Now, I want to end by talking about the three components of our business that not only protect us from the threats of AI, but strengthen our business in the context of AI. The first is our proprietary data. The second is trust.
Speaker #3: That not only protects us from the threats of AI, but strengthens our business in the context of AI. The first is our proprietary data.
Speaker #3: The second is trust. I want to be clear. Compass isn't in the business of brokering information. It's in the business of brokering trust. And we believe trust will become even more valuable in a world with AI.
Robert Reffkin: I want to be clear, Compass isn't in the business of brokering information. It's in the business of brokering trust. We believe trust will become even more valuable in a world with AI. Third is the positive network effects driven by our 340,000 agents, which strengthens our platform. Starting with proprietary data, we all know that AI is less of a threat for companies with proprietary data. We all know that the Zillow ban in approximately 40% of MLSs have restricted rules that force brokerages to make their proprietary data public. With the Rocket-Redfin partnership and the efforts I expect Compass and Rocket to take, I am confident that MLSs and Zillow will no longer be in a position to force brokerages to make their proprietary data public.
Robert Reffkin: I want to be clear, Compass isn't in the business of brokering information. It's in the business of brokering trust. We believe trust will become even more valuable in a world with AI. Third is the positive network effects driven by our 340,000 agents, which strengthens our platform. Starting with proprietary data, we all know that AI is less of a threat for companies with proprietary data. We all know that the Zillow ban in approximately 40% of MLSs have restricted rules that force brokerages to make their proprietary data public.
Speaker #3: And third, is the positive network effects driven by our 340,000 agents, which strengthens our platform. Starting with proprietary data, we all know that AI is less of a threat for companies with proprietary data.
Speaker #3: And we all know that the Zillow ban in approximately 40% of MLSs have restricted rules that force brokerages to make their proprietary data public.
Robert Reffkin: With the Rocket-Redfin partnership and the efforts I expect Compass and Rocket to take, I am confident that MLSs and Zillow will no longer be in a position to force brokerages to make their proprietary data public.
Speaker #3: With the Rocket Redfin partnership and the efforts I expect Compass and Rocket to take, I'm confident that MLSs and Zillow will no longer be in a position to force brokerages to make their proprietary data public.
Speaker #3: We currently already have more than 20,000 make me sell listings, that are only available at Compass and with the Rocket Redfin partnership, we believe we will have a large number of coming soon and probably exclusive listings that will help grow our proprietary data.
Robert Reffkin: We currently already have more than 20,000 Make Me Sell listings that are only available at Compass. With the Rocket Redfin partnership, we believe we will have a large number of Coming Soon and private exclusive listings that will help grow our proprietary data. Our second pillar is trust. Compass is not a traditional SaaS company, as we operate in the high-trust advisory business. This distinction is significant. AI can replicate software features. We don't believe it can replicate trusted human judgment in a highly emotional, high-stakes, high-ticket transaction. Buying a home is not like any other purchase. It's one of the most significant and complicated transactions in people's lives. Buying a home is also much more than just searching for a property.
Robert Reffkin: We currently already have more than 20,000 Make Me Sell listings that are only available at Compass. With the Rocket Redfin partnership, we believe we will have a large number of Coming Soon and private exclusive listings that will help grow our proprietary data. Our second pillar is trust. Compass is not a traditional SaaS company, as we operate in the high-trust advisory business. This distinction is significant. AI can replicate software features. We don't believe it can replicate trusted human judgment in a highly emotional, high-stakes, high-ticket transaction.
Speaker #3: Our second pillar is trust. Compass is not a traditional SaaS company. As we operate in the high-trust advisory business, this distinction is significant.
Speaker #3: AI can replicate software features. But we don't believe it can replicate trusted human judgment. In a highly emotional, high-stakes, high-ticket transaction. Buying a home is not like any other purchase.
Robert Reffkin: Buying a home is not like any other purchase. It's one of the most significant and complicated transactions in people's lives. Buying a home is also much more than just searching for a property.
Speaker #3: It's one of the most significant and complicated transactions in people's lives. Buying a home is also much more than just searching for a property.
Speaker #3: A buyer seeks out a real estate professional because they know they will need the expertise and emotional support when negotiating. Mitigating the purchase of a home.
Robert Reffkin: A buyer seeks out a real estate professional because they know they will need the expertise and emotional support when negotiating and mitigating the purchase of a home. They seek out a real estate professional not just for information that is already available online, but for information on what's going to happen in the future, such as when the neighbor a few doors over might be ready for the next move because their kids just graduated college. They seek out a professional to serve as the last line of defense during a walk-through at the closing. When the agent they are working with spots uneven floors or smells a wet basement, it helps them negotiate a seller credit. I've been reading the same AI reports as everyone else, the reports that are addressing what could happen in a potential future for real estate.
Robert Reffkin: A buyer seeks out a real estate professional because they know they will need the expertise and emotional support when negotiating and mitigating the purchase of a home. They seek out a real estate professional not just for information that is already available online, but for information on what's going to happen in the future, such as when the neighbor a few doors over might be ready for the next move because their kids just graduated college. They seek out a professional to serve as the last line of defense during a walk-through at the closing.
Speaker #3: They seek out a real estate professional not just for information—that is already available online—but for information on what's going to happen in the future.
Speaker #3: Such as when the neighbor, a few doors over, might be ready for the next move. Because their kids just graduated college. They seek out a professional to serve as the last line of defense during a walkthrough at the closing.
Speaker #3: When the agents, they are working with spots uneven floors or smells a wet basement and helps them negotiate a seller credit. I've been reading the same AI reports as everyone else.
Robert Reffkin: When the agent they are working with spots uneven floors or smells a wet basement, it helps them negotiate a seller credit. I've been reading the same AI reports as everyone else, the reports that are addressing what could happen in a potential future for real estate.
Speaker #3: The reports that are addressing what could happen in a potential future for real estate. The quick summary is, my AI agent will sell my house to your AI agent.
Robert Reffkin: The quick summary is my AI agent will sell my house to your AI agent. They will do the best job, no one else is needed in the transaction process. In our 13 years with Compass, I've seen a lot of things. I remember in the beginning, the biggest pain points for people were fake rental listings. We started off in the rental space. You would see a listing, it was fake. You'd reach out to the agent, they will tell you they can show you the listing, and then last minute, switch it up and say, Listing is gone, but I have something else to show you. AI will do that on steroids. The writers in some of these reports assume that real estate is clean and fair and that everyone is playing nice.
Robert Reffkin: The quick summary is my AI agent will sell my house to your AI agent. They will do the best job, no one else is needed in the transaction process. In our 13 years with Compass, I've seen a lot of things. I remember in the beginning, the biggest pain points for people were fake rental listings. We started off in the rental space. You would see a listing, it was fake. You'd reach out to the agent, they will tell you they can show you the listing, and then last minute, switch it up and say, Listing is gone, but I have something else to show you.
Speaker #3: They will do the best job and no one else is needed in the transaction process. In our 13 years with Compass, I've seen a lot of things.
Speaker #3: I remember in the beginning, the biggest pain points for people were fake rental listings. We started off in the rental space. You would see a listing it was fake.
Speaker #3: You'd reach out to the agent, they will tell you they can show you the listing and then last minute switch it up and say, "Listing is gone.
Speaker #3: But I have something else to show you." AI will do that on steroids. The writers in some of these reports assume that real estate is clean and fair and that everyone is playing nice.
Robert Reffkin: AI will do that on steroids. The writers in some of these reports assume that real estate is clean and fair and that everyone is playing nice.
Speaker #3: But in real life, you have thousands of fake AI agents generating fake listings to bait you. Hundreds of fake AI agents will give AI agents false low-ball ball bids to try and get them to price drop.
Robert Reffkin: In real life, you have thousands of fake AI agents generating fake listings to bait you. Hundreds of fake AI agents will give AI agents false lowball bids to try and get them to price drop. Fake AI agents will list fake listings to try to change comp prices to get higher prices. It's going to get wild. I think the value of Compass will skyrocket in that world. The only solution will be closed networks of trust. People think Compass's core is brokering information. It's not. It's brokering trust. In the very near future, unless you have a great agent that is real, transacting with agents that our network deems trustworthy, you will not be able to transact safely. The MLS data will be corrupted. Open sites will be filled with noise. Private listings and private networks with real people will be the only trusted source.
Robert Reffkin: In real life, you have thousands of fake AI agents generating fake listings to bait you. Hundreds of fake AI agents will give AI agents false lowball bids to try and get them to price drop. Fake AI agents will list fake listings to try to change comp prices to get higher prices. It's going to get wild. I think the value of Compass will skyrocket in that world. The only solution will be closed networks of trust. People think Compass's core is brokering information. It's not. It's brokering trust. In the very near future, unless you have a great agent that is real, transacting with agents that our network deems trustworthy, you will not be able to transact safely.
Speaker #3: Fake AI agents will list fake listings to try and change comp prices to get higher prices. It's going to get wild. I think the value of Compass will skyrocket in that world.
Speaker #3: The only solution will be closed networks of trust. People think Compass's core is brokering information. It's not. It's brokering trust. And in the very near future, unless you have a great agent that is real, transaction with agents that are network deems trustworthy, you will not be able to transact safely.
Speaker #3: The MLS data will be corrupted. Open sites will be filled with noise. Private listings and private networks with real people will be the only trusted source.
Robert Reffkin: The MLS data will be corrupted. Open sites will be filled with noise. Private listings and private networks with real people will be the only trusted source.
Speaker #3: I just don't see a meaningful amount of buyers letting a bot negotiate with a seller's agent. If that were the case, then you would already be seeing people buying homes based off of this estimate.
Robert Reffkin: I just don't see a meaningful amount of buyers letting a bot negotiate with the seller's agent. If that were the case, then you would already be seeing people buying homes based off of Zestimate. You'd see people selling homes based off Zestimate, and they're not doing that. Real estate is highly personal, and the value of a home isn't solely determined based on the generic data and facts about the home. The value is driven by a buyer's and seller's personal connection to the home. In this world, Compass's value proposition will strengthen as we build a highly trusted environment for buyers, sellers, and agents to own and manage their data with uncompromising privacy.
Robert Reffkin: I just don't see a meaningful amount of buyers letting a bot negotiate with the seller's agent. If that were the case, then you would already be seeing people buying homes based off of Zestimate. You'd see people selling homes based off Zestimate, and they're not doing that. Real estate is highly personal, and the value of a home isn't solely determined based on the generic data and facts about the home. The value is driven by a buyer's and seller's personal connection to the home. In this world, Compass's value proposition will strengthen as we build a highly trusted environment for buyers, sellers, and agents to own and manage their data with uncompromising privacy.
Speaker #3: You'd see people selling homes based off this estimate. And they're not doing that. Real estate is highly personal. And the value of a home isn't solely determined based on the generic data and facts about the home.
Speaker #3: The value is driven by a buyer's and seller's personal connection to the home. In this world, Compass's value proposition will strengthen as we build a highly trusted environment for buyers, sellers, and agents to own and manage their data with uncompromising privacy.
Speaker #3: And so, for the same reasons that internet did not replace agents, but actually increased consumers' use of them, over the past 20 years, we believe that the winners of the future will not be the companies that simply have AI, but those that use it to amplify trusted agents at scale.
Robert Reffkin: For the same reasons the internet did not replace agents but actually increased consumers' use of them over the past 20 years, we believe that the winners of the future will not be the companies that simply have AI, but those that use it to amplify trusted agents at scale, like Compass. Our third and final pillar is positive network effects of our 340,000 real estate professionals that strengthens our platform. This network serves as a large, continuous positive feedback loop for our platform. We believe as agentic AI becomes more common, the platforms with the most domain experts actively training and interacting with the system will win. Our agents are encoding real-world, localized transactional logic into our platform every single day, creating a network effect that cannot be replicated by horizontal AI tools or legacy brokerages.
Robert Reffkin: For the same reasons the internet did not replace agents but actually increased consumers' use of them over the past 20 years, we believe that the winners of the future will not be the companies that simply have AI, but those that use it to amplify trusted agents at scale, like Compass. Our third and final pillar is positive network effects of our 340,000 real estate professionals that strengthens our platform. This network serves as a large, continuous positive feedback loop for our platform. We believe as agentic AI becomes more common, the platforms with the most domain experts actively training and interacting with the system will win.
Speaker #3: Like Compass. Our third and final pillar is the positive network effects of our 340,000 real estate professionals that strengthen our platform. This network serves as a large, continuous positive feedback loop for our platform.
Speaker #3: We believe as agentic AI becomes more common, the platforms with the most domain experts actively training and interacting with the system will win. Our agents are encoding real-world, localized transactional logic into our platform every single day.
Robert Reffkin: Our agents are encoding real-world, localized transactional logic into our platform every single day, creating a network effect that cannot be replicated by horizontal AI tools or legacy brokerages.
Speaker #3: Creating a network effect that cannot be replicated by horizontal AI tools or legacy brokerages. At Compass, we are using AI to eliminate friction, allowing our agents to focus on winning and closing clients and by fully integrating it into the agent workflow to maximize productivity.
Robert Reffkin: At Compass, we are using AI to eliminate friction, allowing our agents to focus on winning and closing clients, and by fully integrating it into the agent workflow to maximize productivity. By giving 340,000 real estate professionals countless hours back every week, allowing them to focus on winning listings, advising clients, and closing deals, we are going to help them to close more transactions. When evaluating Compass through this lens, we believe we possess the exact pillars to thrive in the world of agentic AI. With that, I will now hand it over to Scott.
Robert Reffkin: At Compass, we are using AI to eliminate friction, allowing our agents to focus on winning and closing clients, and by fully integrating it into the agent workflow to maximize productivity. By giving 340,000 real estate professionals countless hours back every week, allowing them to focus on winning listings, advising clients, and closing deals, we are going to help them to close more transactions. When evaluating Compass through this lens, we believe we possess the exact pillars to thrive in the world of agentic AI. With that, I will now hand it over to Scott.
Speaker #3: By giving 340,000 real estate professionals countless hours back every week, allowing them to focus on winning listings and advising clients and closing deals, we are going to help them to close more transactions.
Speaker #3: When evaluating Compass through this lens, we believe we possess the exact pillars to thrive in the world of agentic AI. With that, I will now hand it over to Scott.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Robert. Q4 was a landmark quarter for Compass, setting all-time Q4 records both financially and operationally. Revenue reached $1.7 billion, a 23% increase year over year beating the high end of our guidance.
Scott Wahlers: Thanks, Robert. Q4 was a landmark quarter for Compass, setting all-time Q4 records, both financially and operationally. Revenue reached $1.7 billion, a 23% increase year-over-year, beating the high end of our guidance. Even on an organic basis, excluding M&A, we grew 11.3%. For the 19th consecutive quarter, every quarter since our IPO, Compass outperformed the market, including during Q4 with organic transactions of 5.6% versus a 1% market increase. Quarterly principal agent retention was a solid 96.8%. During the quarter, we added 830 principal agents, which was a Q4 record, despite not being able to recruit any of the Anywhere agents due to the pending merger during Q4.
Scott Wahlers: Thanks, Robert. Q4 was a landmark quarter for Compass, setting all-time Q4 records, both financially and operationally. Revenue reached $1.7 billion, a 23% increase year-over-year, beating the high end of our guidance. Even on an organic basis, excluding M&A, we grew 11.3%. For the 19th consecutive quarter, every quarter since our IPO, Compass outperformed the market, including during Q4 with organic transactions of 5.6% versus a 1% market increase. Quarterly principal agent retention was a solid 96.8%.
Speaker #2: Even on an organic basis, excluding M&A, we grew 11.3%. For the 19th consecutive quarter—every quarter since our IPO—Compass outperformed the market. Including during Q4, with our organic transactions up 5.6% versus a 1% market increase.
Speaker #2: Quarterly principal agent retention was a solid 96.8%. During the quarter, we added 830 principal agents, which was a fourth-quarter record, despite not being able to recruit any of the anywhere agents due to the pending merger during Q4.
Scott Wahlers: During the quarter, we added 830 principal agents, which was a Q4 record, despite not being able to recruit any of the Anywhere agents due to the pending merger during Q4.
Speaker #2: Note that because anywhere does not have the same agent count methodology for principal agents, as Compass does, we do not intend to provide principal agent count starting in Q1, but we will continue to provide total agent counts.
Scott Wahlers: Note that because Anywhere Real Estate Inc. does not have the same agent count methodology for principal agents as Compass, Inc. does, we do not intend to provide principal agent count starting in Q1, but we will continue to provide total agent counts. Gross transaction value was $65.6 billion in Q4, an increase of 21.6% from a year ago, reflecting the 19.7% increase in total transactions, combined with an increase in average selling price of about 2%. The increase in our average selling price was closer to 5% on an organic basis. However, our acquisitions over the past year primarily operate in markets with lower average selling prices compared to our organic average selling price, which brings down the overall average.
Scott Wahlers: Note that because Anywhere Real Estate Inc. does not have the same agent count methodology for principal agents as Compass, Inc. does, we do not intend to provide principal agent count starting in Q1, but we will continue to provide total agent counts. Gross transaction value was $65.6 billion in Q4, an increase of 21.6% from a year ago, reflecting the 19.7% increase in total transactions, combined with an increase in average selling price of about 2%.
Speaker #2: Gross transaction value was $65.6 billion in the fourth quarter, an increase of 21.6% from a year ago, reflecting the 19.7% increase in total transactions combined with an increase in average selling price of about 2%.
Scott Wahlers: The increase in our average selling price was closer to 5% on an organic basis. However, our acquisitions over the past year primarily operate in markets with lower average selling prices compared to our organic average selling price, which brings down the overall average.
Speaker #2: The increase in our average selling price was closer to 5% on an organic basis, however, our acquisitions over the past year primarily operate in markets with lower average selling prices compared to our organic average selling price.
Speaker #2: Which brings down the overall average. Our commissions and other related expense as a percentage of revenue was 81.5% for the quarter, compared to Q4 last year at 82.5%, or an improvement of over 100 basis points year over year, primarily driven by the impact of our January 2025 acquisition of Christie's International Real Estate, which has more favorable margins.
Scott Wahlers: Our commissions and other related expense as a percentage of revenue was 81.5% for the quarter, compared to Q4 of last year at 82.5%, or an improvement of over 100 basis points year-over-year, primarily driven by the impact of our January 2025 acquisition of Christie's International Real Estate, which has more favorable margins. Excluding M&A, our commissions and other related expense as a percentage of revenue improved 13 basis points for the quarter versus a year ago. This is due to a positive impact from higher-margin new development and title revenue, partially offset by about 10 basis points attributable to the impact of geo mix on the brokerage business.
Scott Wahlers: Our commissions and other related expense as a percentage of revenue was 81.5% for the quarter, compared to Q4 of last year at 82.5%, or an improvement of over 100 basis points year-over-year, primarily driven by the impact of our January 2025 acquisition of Christie's International Real Estate, which has more favorable margins. Excluding M&A, our commissions and other related expense as a percentage of revenue improved 13 basis points for the quarter versus a year ago. This is due to a positive impact from higher-margin new development and title revenue, partially offset by about 10 basis points attributable to the impact of geo mix on the brokerage business.
Speaker #2: Excluding M&A, our commissions and other related expense as a percentage of revenue improved 13 basis points for the quarter, versus a year ago. This is due to a positive impact from higher margin new development and title revenue, partially offset by about 10 basis points attributable to the impact of GeoMix on the brokerage business.
Speaker #2: Our total non-gap operating expenses were $259 million in Q4, an increase from $224 million of OPEX in the year-ago period, which was largely driven by M&A.
Scott Wahlers: Our total non-GAAP operating expenses were $259 million in Q4, an increase from $224 million of OPEX in the year ago period, which was largely driven by M&A, including the OPEX we assumed from the 25 January 2025 acquisition of Christie's International Real Estate and a number of other brokerage and title companies we acquired this year. Excluding the impact of M&A, our non-GAAP OPEX was up only about 1%. I'd like to also point out that even on a full year basis, when excluding the additional OPEX assumed from M&A, our organic OPEX was only up 1% over 2024. We have demonstrated discipline to manage organic OPEX growth to within 3% to 4% annually, and this past year we greatly exceeded that goal.
Scott Wahlers: Our total non-GAAP operating expenses were $259 million in Q4, an increase from $224 million of OPEX in the year ago period, which was largely driven by M&A, including the OPEX we assumed from the 25 January 2025 acquisition of Christie's International Real Estate and a number of other brokerage and title companies we acquired this year. Excluding the impact of M&A, our non-GAAP OPEX was up only about 1%. I'd like to also point out that even on a full year basis, when excluding the additional OPEX assumed from M&A, our organic OPEX was only up 1% over 2024.
Speaker #2: Including the OPEX we assumed from the January 2025 acquisition of Christie's International Real Estate, and a number of other brokerage and title companies we acquired this year.
Speaker #2: Excluding the impact of M&A, our non-gap OPEX was up only about 1%. I'd like to also point out that even on a full year basis, when excluding the additional OPEX assumed from M&A, our organic OPEX was only up 1% over 2024.
Scott Wahlers: We have demonstrated discipline to manage organic OPEX growth to within 3% to 4% annually, and this past year we greatly exceeded that goal.
Speaker #2: We have demonstrated discipline to manage organic OPEX growth to within 3 to 4% annually and this past year we greatly exceeded that goal. Adjusted EBITDA was 58.3 million, a strong improvement of 249% from adjusted EBITDA of 16.7 million a year ago.
Scott Wahlers: Adjusted EBITDA was $58.3 million, a strong improvement of 249% from Adjusted EBITDA of $16.7 million a year ago. Adjusted EBITDA exceeded the high end of our original guidance range by 19% and also represented a record level of Adjusted EBITDA for any Q4 period. Adjusted EBITDA benefited from the higher revenue, better gross margins, and a continued strong discipline on operating expenses. During the Q4, we incurred $10.6 million of transaction expenses related to the announced merger with Anywhere, primarily legal fees and investment banking fees, which is shown in the Anywhere merger transaction and integration expense line on the P&L, and is excluded from our non-GAAP operating expenses for purposes of calculating Adjusted EBITDA.
Scott Wahlers: Adjusted EBITDA was $58.3 million, a strong improvement of 249% from Adjusted EBITDA of $16.7 million a year ago. Adjusted EBITDA exceeded the high end of our original guidance range by 19% and also represented a record level of Adjusted EBITDA for any Q4 period. Adjusted EBITDA benefited from the higher revenue, better gross margins, and a continued strong discipline on operating expenses. During the Q4, we incurred $10.6 million of transaction expenses related to the announced merger with Anywhere, primarily legal fees and investment banking fees, which is shown in the Anywhere merger transaction and integration expense line on the P&L, and is excluded from our non-GAAP operating expenses for purposes of calculating Adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #2: Adjusted EBITDA exceeded the high end of our original guidance range by 19% and also represented a record level of adjusted EBITDA for any fourth-quarter period.
Speaker #2: Adjusted EBITDA benefited from the higher revenue, better gross margins, and the continued strong discipline on operating expenses. During the fourth quarter, we incurred 10.6 million of transaction expenses related to the announced merger with Anywhere, primarily legal fees and investment banking fees, which is shown in the Anywhere merger transaction and integration expense line on the P&L.
Speaker #2: And is excluded from our non-gap operating expenses for purposes of calculating adjusted EBITDA. You'll see the expenses on this line jump in Q1 as we recognize the expenses in connection with the closing of the transaction and additional expenses throughout 2026 as we drive our integration efforts, which I'll touch on a little later.
Scott Wahlers: You'll see the expenses on this line jump in Q1 as we recognize the expenses in connection with the closing of the transaction and additional expenses throughout 2026 as we drive our integration efforts, which I'll touch on a little later. Stock-based compensation expense in the quarter was $57.5 million and in line with our guidance. As a reminder, during our Q1 results last year, we explained that our stock-based compensation levels would be elevated during the Q2, Q3, and Q4 of 2025 due to a change in our methodology for granting employee equity and the accounting rules related to that change. These higher-priced awards will start to vest out at the end of Q1, and you'll begin to see a step-down beginning in Q2 of 2026 on the base Compass business.
Scott Wahlers: You'll see the expenses on this line jump in Q1 as we recognize the expenses in connection with the closing of the transaction and additional expenses throughout 2026 as we drive our integration efforts, which I'll touch on a little later. Stock-based compensation expense in the quarter was $57.5 million and in line with our guidance. As a reminder, during our Q1 results last year, we explained that our stock-based compensation levels would be elevated during the Q2, Q3, and Q4 of 2025 due to a change in our methodology for granting employee equity and the accounting rules related to that change.
Speaker #2: Stock-based compensation expense in the quarter was $57.5 million, and in line with our guidance. As a reminder, during our Q1 results last year, we explained that our stock-based compensation levels would be elevated during the second, third, and fourth quarters of 2025 due to a change in our methodology for granting employee equity and the accounting rules related to that change.
Speaker #2: These higher priced awards will start to vest out at the end of Q1 and you'll begin to see a step down beginning in Q2 of 2026 on the base Compass business.
Scott Wahlers: These higher-priced awards will start to vest out at the end of Q1, and you'll begin to see a step-down beginning in Q2 of 2026 on the base Compass business.
Speaker #2: This decline is expected to be partially offset with some levels of incremental expense coming through from the Anywhere employee base. We'll provide more details next quarter as we finalize this impact, but as you consider your models, you should expect that stock-based compensation on a consolidated basis will not exceed $50 million in any future quarter beginning in Q2 of this year.
Scott Wahlers: This decline is expected to be partially offset with some levels of incremental expense coming through from the Anywhere employee base. We'll provide more details next quarter as we finalize this impact. As you consider your models, you should expect that stock-based compensation on a consolidated basis will not exceed $50 million in any future quarter beginning in Q2 of this year. That said, as part of the change of control severance provisions for some of the former Anywhere executives, there will be an incremental one-time charge for stock-based compensation recorded in Q1. GAAP net loss was $42.6 million in Q4 compared to GAAP net loss of $40.5 million a year ago.
Scott Wahlers: This decline is expected to be partially offset with some levels of incremental expense coming through from the Anywhere employee base. We'll provide more details next quarter as we finalize this impact. As you consider your models, you should expect that stock-based compensation on a consolidated basis will not exceed $50 million in any future quarter beginning in Q2 of this year. That said, as part of the change of control severance provisions for some of the former Anywhere executives, there will be an incremental one-time charge for stock-based compensation recorded in Q1. GAAP net loss was $42.6 million in Q4 compared to GAAP net loss of $40.5 million a year ago.
Speaker #2: That said, as part of the change of control severance provisions, for some of the former Anywhere executives, there will be an incremental one-time charge for stock-based compensation recorded in Q1.
Speaker #2: GAAP net loss was $42.6 million in Q4, compared to a GAAP net loss of $40.5 million a year ago. However, excluding the $10.6 million in deal-related expenses from the Anywhere transaction, GAAP net loss would have been $32 million, an $8.5 million improvement compared to the year-ago period.
Scott Wahlers: However, excluding the $10.6 million in deal-related expenses from the Anywhere transaction, GAAP net loss would have been $32 million, an $8.5 million improvement compared to the year-ago period. Our basic weighted average share count for the Q4 was 572 million, which was in line with our prior guidance. As for cash, we generated $42.2 million in free cash flow in the Q4, which represented the eighth consecutive quarter of positive free cash flow generation. We ended the Q4 with $199 million of cash and cash equivalents on the balance sheet.
Scott Wahlers: However, excluding the $10.6 million in deal-related expenses from the Anywhere transaction, GAAP net loss would have been $32 million, an $8.5 million improvement compared to the year-ago period. Our basic weighted average share count for the Q4 was 572 million, which was in line with our prior guidance. As for cash, we generated $42.2 million in free cash flow in the Q4, which represented the eighth consecutive quarter of positive free cash flow generation. We ended the Q4 with $199 million of cash and cash equivalents on the balance sheet.
Speaker #2: Our basic weighted average share count for the fourth quarter was 572 million, which was in line with our prior guidance. As for cash, we generated $42.2 million in free cash flow in the fourth quarter, which represented the eighth consecutive quarter of positive free cash flow generation.
Speaker #2: We ended the fourth quarter with $199 million of cash and cash equivalents on the balance sheet. On January 7th, 2026, we completed the issuance of $1 billion in convertible notes at a highly attractive coupon of just a quarter of a percentage point, which was used to pay off Anywhere's revolver of $500 million at the closing.
Scott Wahlers: On 7 January 2026, we completed the issuance of $1 billion in convertible notes at a highly attractive coupon of just a quarter of a percentage point. Which was used to pay off Anywhere Real Estate's revolver of $500 million at the closing. Using the 0.25% coupon on the convertible debt to pay off Anywhere Real Estate's revolver at higher interest rates provided for immediate annualized cash interest savings of $25 million. The convertible debt offering has a conversion price of $15.98 per share and was structured with a capped call derivative instrument to protect shareholders from dilution up to a conversion price of $23.68 per share. After considering the cost of the capped call and the related issuance costs, the net proceeds received on the fundraise were $880 million.
Scott Wahlers: On 7 January 2026, we completed the issuance of $1 billion in convertible notes at a highly attractive coupon of just a quarter of a percentage point. Which was used to pay off Anywhere Real Estate's revolver of $500 million at the closing. Using the 0.25% coupon on the convertible debt to pay off Anywhere Real Estate's revolver at higher interest rates provided for immediate annualized cash interest savings of $25 million.
Speaker #2: Using the 0.25% coupon on the convertible debt, to pay off Anywhere's revolver at higher interest rates provided for immediate annualized cash interest savings of $25 million.
Scott Wahlers: The convertible debt offering has a conversion price of $15.98 per share and was structured with a capped call derivative instrument to protect shareholders from dilution up to a conversion price of $23.68 per share. After considering the cost of the capped call and the related issuance costs, the net proceeds received on the fundraise were $880 million.
Speaker #2: The convertible debt offering has a conversion price of $15.98 per share and was structured with a cap called derivative instrument to protect shareholders from dilution up to a conversion price of $23.68 per share.
Speaker #2: After considering the cost of the cap call and the related issuance costs, the net proceeds received on the fundraise were $880 million. We have moved aggressively on synergies.
Scott Wahlers: We have moved aggressively on synergies. In just seven weeks, we have already actioned $175 million of our cost synergy target. The heavy lifting of headcount and vendor consolidation is already underway. Some of the remaining synergies will involve deeper operational integration, which naturally takes longer to execute. However, the progress to date in such a short period of time following the close of the transaction certainly de-risks our ability to attain our full cost synergy goals and provides early proof points on what we can deliver together as a combined company. It is important to distinguish between actions taken and the timing of the realization of these actions in the financial statements and where the benefit will be realized in the financial statements. On the timing point, some of these actions taken to date had an immediate effect, such as day one personnel reductions.
Scott Wahlers: We have moved aggressively on synergies. In just seven weeks, we have already actioned $175 million of our cost synergy target. The heavy lifting of headcount and vendor consolidation is already underway. Some of the remaining synergies will involve deeper operational integration, which naturally takes longer to execute. However, the progress to date in such a short period of time following the close of the transaction certainly de-risks our ability to attain our full cost synergy goals and provides early proof points on what we can deliver together as a combined company.
Speaker #2: In just seven weeks, we have already actioned $175 million of our cost synergy target. The heavy lifting of headcount and vendor consolidation is already underway.
Speaker #2: Some of the remaining synergies will involve deeper operational integration, which naturally takes longer to execute. However, the progress to date in such a short period of time following the close of the transaction certainly de risks our ability to attain our full cost synergy goals and provides early proof points on what we can deliver together as a combined company.
Scott Wahlers: It is important to distinguish between actions taken and the timing of the realization of these actions in the financial statements and where the benefit will be realized in the financial statements. On the timing point, some of these actions taken to date had an immediate effect, such as day one personnel reductions.
Speaker #2: It is important to distinguish between actions taken and the timing of the realization of these actions in the financial statements and where the benefit will be realized in the financial statements.
Speaker #2: On the timing point, some of these actions taken to date had an immediate effect, such as day one personnel reductions. Other actions have terms ranging over the next three, six, or nine months as the case of certain personnel reductions with associated retention periods or vendor contracts with varying end dates.
Scott Wahlers: Other actions have terms ranging over the next 3, 6, or 9 months as the case of certain personnel reductions with associated retention periods or vendor contracts with varying end dates. Some new operating leases that we entered into to consolidate space or move to smaller square footage don't take effect until Q4 of this year or early 2027. Additionally, because these actions were completed at various points throughout Q1, including this week, there will only be a modest benefit to Q1. To help with your models on the bookends, you could plan for $5 million of realization in Q1 of 2026 and $44 million of realization in Q4 of 2026, with some level of quarterly increases between those two data points.
Scott Wahlers: Other actions have terms ranging over the next 3, 6, or 9 months as the case of certain personnel reductions with associated retention periods or vendor contracts with varying end dates. Some new operating leases that we entered into to consolidate space or move to smaller square footage don't take effect until Q4 of this year or early 2027. Additionally, because these actions were completed at various points throughout Q1, including this week, there will only be a modest benefit to Q1. To help with your models on the bookends, you could plan for $5 million of realization in Q1 of 2026 and $44 million of realization in Q4 of 2026, with some level of quarterly increases between those two data points.
Speaker #2: And some new operating leases that we entered into to consolidate space or move to smaller square footage don't take effect until the fourth quarter of this year or early 2027.
Speaker #2: Additionally, because these actions were completed at various points throughout the first quarter, including this week, there will only be a modest benefit to Q1.
Speaker #2: To help with your models, on the book ends, you could plan for $5 million of realization in Q1 of 2026 and $44 million of realization in Q4 of 2026, with some level of quarterly increases between those two data points.
Speaker #2: The $44 million to be realized in Q4 of 2026 represents 25% of the $175 million already actioned. In the aggregate, this would result in about $100 million realized in 2026.
Scott Wahlers: The $44 million to be realized in Q4 2026 represents 25% of the $175 million already actioned. In the aggregate, this would result in about $100 million realized in 2026. These cost synergies will be realized either as reduced operating expenses in the P&L or reduced capitalization to the balance sheet. In either case, they will benefit free cash flow. Historically, Anywhere has capitalized a large amount of technology labor to its balance sheet, approximately $80 million in 2025. As part of our cost synergy work, a significant portion of the projects that have been subject to capitalization in the past will be cut as we shift the technology focus to the Compass platform.
Scott Wahlers: The $44 million to be realized in Q4 2026 represents 25% of the $175 million already actioned. In the aggregate, this would result in about $100 million realized in 2026. These cost synergies will be realized either as reduced operating expenses in the P&L or reduced capitalization to the balance sheet. In either case, they will benefit free cash flow. Historically, Anywhere has capitalized a large amount of technology labor to its balance sheet, approximately $80 million in 2025.
Speaker #2: These cost synergies will be realized either as reduced operating expenses in the P&L or reduced capitalization to the balance sheet. In either case, they will benefit free cash flow.
Speaker #2: Historically, Anywhere's capitalized a large amount of technology labor to its balance sheet. Approximately $80 million in 2025. And as part of our cost synergy work, a significant portion of the projects that have been subject to capitalization in the past will be cut as we shift the technology focus to the Compass platform.
Scott Wahlers: As part of our cost synergy work, a significant portion of the projects that have been subject to capitalization in the past will be cut as we shift the technology focus to the Compass platform.
Speaker #2: Therefore, of the roughly $100 million in synergies, to be realized in 2026 that I just referenced, I'd assume slightly more than half will be reflected as reduced capex in 2026, and the remaining will be reflected as reduced opex in 2026.
Scott Wahlers: Therefore, of the roughly $100 million in synergies to be realized in 2026 that I just referenced, I'd assume slightly more than half will be reflected as reduced CapEx in 2026, and the remaining will be reflected as reduced OpEx in 2026. Since our cost synergies were just actioned in the last 6 and a half weeks, these are still directional estimates, but next quarter, I'll be able to provide you a better distribution of how the synergies will be reflected in our financials. As a last point on this topic, note that there will be costs to achieve these action synergies during Q1 and in future quarters, which we'll include in the merger transaction and integration line in the P&L, which will be excluded from Adjusted EBITDA but will impact cash flow.
Scott Wahlers: Therefore, of the roughly $100 million in synergies to be realized in 2026 that I just referenced, I'd assume slightly more than half will be reflected as reduced CapEx in 2026, and the remaining will be reflected as reduced OpEx in 2026. Since our cost synergies were just actioned in the last 6 and a half weeks, these are still directional estimates, but next quarter, I'll be able to provide you a better distribution of how the synergies will be reflected in our financials.
Speaker #2: Since our cost synergies were just actioned in the last six and a half weeks, these are still directional estimates, but next quarter I'll be able to provide you a better distribution of how the synergies will be reflected in our financials.
Speaker #2: As a last point on this topic, note that there will be costs to achieve these action synergies during Q1 and in future quarters, which will be included in the merger transaction and integration line in the P&L. These costs will be excluded from adjusted EBITDA but will impact cash flow.
Scott Wahlers: As a last point on this topic, note that there will be costs to achieve these action synergies during Q1 and in future quarters, which we'll include in the merger transaction and integration line in the P&L, which will be excluded from Adjusted EBITDA but will impact cash flow.
Speaker #2: For modeling purposes, as a placeholder, you could assume up to 50% of action synergies for an estimate of the costs to achieve. Turning to financial guidance for Q1, which now includes the impact of the Anywhere transaction, for the first quarter of 2026, we expect consolidated revenue including the revenue from of $2.55 billion to $2.75 billion.
Scott Wahlers: For modeling purposes as a placeholder, you could assume up to 50% of action synergies for an estimate of the costs to achieve. Turning to financial guidance for Q1, which now includes the impact of the Anywhere transaction. For Q1 2026, we expect consolidated revenue, including the revenue from the Anywhere transaction, in the range of $2.55 billion to $2.75 billion. While Q1 is the seasonally lightest quarter, we've observed softness in specific markets in January and particularly February due to the extreme winter weather and record snowfall across most of the country. Per NAR, January existing home sales in the US of 3.9 million units were down 4.4% from last January, with Winter Storm Fern being a call-out in their release as many closings were delayed.
Scott Wahlers: For modeling purposes as a placeholder, you could assume up to 50% of action synergies for an estimate of the costs to achieve. Turning to financial guidance for Q1, which now includes the impact of the Anywhere transaction. For Q1 2026, we expect consolidated revenue, including the revenue from the Anywhere transaction, in the range of $2.55 billion to $2.75 billion. While Q1 is the seasonally lightest quarter, we've observed softness in specific markets in January and particularly February due to the extreme winter weather and record snowfall across most of the country.
Speaker #2: While Q1 is the seasonally lightest quarter, we've observed softness in specific markets in January and particularly February, due to the extreme winter weather and record snowfall across most of the country.
Scott Wahlers: Per NAR, January existing home sales in the US of 3.9 million units were down 4.4% from last January, with Winter Storm Fern being a call-out in their release as many closings were delayed.
Speaker #2: Per NAR, January existing home sales in the US of $3.9 million units were down 4.4% from last January, with winter storm Fern being a callout in their release as many closings were delayed.
Speaker #2: This is also supported by NBA's data point that mortgage purchase applications fell 14% in the final week of January and the first week of February, as much of the country was snowed in.
Scott Wahlers: This is also supported by MBA's data point that mortgage purchase applications fell 14% in the final week of January and the first week of February as much of the country was snowed in. Furthermore, Q1 is our toughest year-over-year comparison in 2026, as we grew total revenue by 29% and organic revenue grew by 15% in Q1 of last year. To be clear, we believe these are short-term, weather-driven timing issues. The structural health of the housing market remains sound. With mortgage rates at three-year lows, stable financial markets, and positive year-over-year inventory growth, we are optimistic heading into the spring selling season. For Q1 revenue guidance, keep in mind that while the revenue from the Anywhere transaction is included in Q1, the first eight days of the quarter are excluded as we close the transaction on 9 January.
Scott Wahlers: This is also supported by MBA's data point that mortgage purchase applications fell 14% in the final week of January and the first week of February as much of the country was snowed in. Furthermore, Q1 is our toughest year-over-year comparison in 2026, as we grew total revenue by 29% and organic revenue grew by 15% in Q1 of last year. To be clear, we believe these are short-term, weather-driven timing issues. The structural health of the housing market remains sound. With mortgage rates at three-year lows, stable financial markets, and positive year-over-year inventory growth, we are optimistic heading into the spring selling season.
Speaker #2: Furthermore, Q1 is our toughest year-over-year comparison in 2026 as we grew total revenue by $29% and organic revenue grew by 15% in Q1 of last year.
Speaker #2: To be clear, we believe these are short-term weather-driven timing issues. The structural health of the housing market remains sound. With mortgage rates at three-year lows, stable financial markets, and positive year-over-year inventory growth, we are optimistic heading into the spring selling season.
Speaker #2: For Q1 revenue guidance, keep in mind that while the revenue from the Anywhere transaction is included in Q1, the first eight days of the quarter are excluded as we close the transaction on January 9th.
Scott Wahlers: For Q1 revenue guidance, keep in mind that while the revenue from the Anywhere transaction is included in Q1, the first eight days of the quarter are excluded as we close the transaction on 9 January.
Speaker #2: We expect consolidated adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $15 million to $35 million. Since Q1 is the first quarter that will include Anywhere's results, I'll provide some color on the contributions to the adjusted EBITDA line.
Scott Wahlers: We expect consolidated Adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $15 million to $35 million. Since Q1 is the first quarter that will include Anywhere's results, I'll provide some color on the contributions to the Adjusted EBITDA line. However, we're quickly integrating this transaction, so going forward, we won't be providing guidance or actual results on a separate company basis. Breaking down the consolidated Adjusted EBITDA guide for Q1, essentially all of the contribution is expected to come from Compass, whereas the contribution to the Adjusted EBITDA guidance in Q1 from the Anywhere entities is negative. If you further unpack the Anywhere portion of the Adjusted EBITDA guide, there are a few items that you should take into consideration. First, consistent with Anywhere's public comments on its Q3 2025 earnings, Anywhere saw an elevated level of expense related to its employees' long-term incentive plan or LTIP.
Scott Wahlers: We expect consolidated Adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $15 million to $35 million. Since Q1 is the first quarter that will include Anywhere's results, I'll provide some color on the contributions to the Adjusted EBITDA line. However, we're quickly integrating this transaction, so going forward, we won't be providing guidance or actual results on a separate company basis. Breaking down the consolidated Adjusted EBITDA guide for Q1, essentially all of the contribution is expected to come from Compass, whereas the contribution to the Adjusted EBITDA guidance in Q1 from the Anywhere entities is negative.
Speaker #2: However, we're quickly integrating this transaction, so going forward, we won't be providing guidance or actual results on a separate company basis. Breaking down the consolidated adjusted EBITDA guide for Q1, essentially all of the contribution is expected to come from Compass, whereas the contribution to the adjusted EBITDA guidance in Q1 from the Anywhere entities is negative.
Speaker #2: If you further unpack the Anywhere portion of the adjusted EBITDA guide, there are a few items that you should take into consideration. First, consistent with Anywhere's public comments on its Q3 2025 earnings, Anywhere saw an elevated level of expense related to its employees' long-term incentive plan, or LTIP.
Scott Wahlers: If you further unpack the Anywhere portion of the Adjusted EBITDA guide, there are a few items that you should take into consideration. First, consistent with Anywhere's public comments on its Q3 2025 earnings, Anywhere saw an elevated level of expense related to its employees' long-term incentive plan or LTIP.
Speaker #2: Anywhere's LTIP is comprised of cash settled RSUs which require mark-to-market accounting through its P&L. The run-up in Anywhere's stock price, especially at the time of September 22nd announcement of the transaction, drove higher operating expenses in its Q3 period.
Scott Wahlers: Anywhere's LTIP is comprised of cash-settled RSUs, which require mark-to-market accounting through its P&L. The run-up in Anywhere stock price, especially at the time of the 22 September announcement of the transaction, drove higher operating expenses in its Q3 period. Anywhere's continued stock appreciation through the 9 January 2026 closing date will also drive higher OPEX from the LTIP in Q1 as these awards continue to vest in future periods. Second, Anywhere disclosed during its Q3 earnings release that it experienced a significant spike in healthcare benefit costs in Q3, and that higher level of expense continued through Q4 and is expected to be the new baseline in 2026.
Scott Wahlers: Anywhere's LTIP is comprised of cash-settled RSUs, which require mark-to-market accounting through its P&L. The run-up in Anywhere stock price, especially at the time of the 22 September announcement of the transaction, drove higher operating expenses in its Q3 period. Anywhere's continued stock appreciation through the 9 January 2026 closing date will also drive higher OPEX from the LTIP in Q1 as these awards continue to vest in future periods. Second, Anywhere disclosed during its Q3 earnings release that it experienced a significant spike in healthcare benefit costs in Q3, and that higher level of expense continued through Q4 and is expected to be the new baseline in 2026.
Speaker #2: Anywhere's continued stock appreciation through the January 9th, 2026 closing date will also drive higher opex from the LTIP in Q1 as these awards continue to vest in future periods.
Speaker #2: Second, Anywhere disclosed during its Q3 earnings release that it experienced a significant spike in healthcare benefit costs in Q3, and that higher levels of expense continued through Q4 and are expected to be the new baseline in 2026.
Speaker #2: Third, as a result of the purchase accounting for the Anywhere transaction, we're required to reset the straight-line rent calculations of the Anywhere office leases for gap accounting purposes over the remaining lease periods following January 9th, which has the effect of increasing the amount of gap rent expense we'll recognize post-acquisition by about four to five million per quarter going forward, or 16 to 20 million on the full year.
Scott Wahlers: Third, as a result of the purchase accounting for the Anywhere transaction, we're required to reset the straight-line rent calculations of the Anywhere office leases for GAAP accounting purposes over the remaining lease periods following 9 January, which has the effect of increasing the amount of GAAP rent expense we'll recognize post-acquisition by about $4 to 5 million per quarter going forward, or $16 to 20 million on the full year. While this doesn't change the cash commitments of the office leases, it's a normal purchase accounting adjustment that increases GAAP rent expense.
Scott Wahlers: Third, as a result of the purchase accounting for the Anywhere transaction, we're required to reset the straight-line rent calculations of the Anywhere office leases for GAAP accounting purposes over the remaining lease periods following 9 January, which has the effect of increasing the amount of GAAP rent expense we'll recognize post-acquisition by about $4 to 5 million per quarter going forward, or $16 to 20 million on the full year. While this doesn't change the cash commitments of the office leases, it's a normal purchase accounting adjustment that increases GAAP rent expense.
Speaker #2: While this doesn't change the cash commitments of the office leases, it's a normal purchase accounting adjustment that increases GAAP rent expense. When you add up the expenses for these three items—the LTIP, the healthcare costs, and the GAAP rent item—compared to the Q1 period of last year, it amounts to an incremental expense in the range of $15 million to $20 million in the first quarter guide for the Anywhere component, or $17.5 million at the midpoint.
Scott Wahlers: When you add up the expenses for these three items, the LTIP, the healthcare costs, and the GAAP rent item compared to the Q1 period of last year, it amounts to an incremental expense in the range of $15 to $20 million in the Q1 guide for the Anywhere component, or seventeen and a half million dollars at the midpoint. Adjusting for these items, our Adjusted EBITDA guidance for Q1 would have been $32.5 million to $47.5 million. We expect our weighted average share count for the Q1 to be between 720 to 730 million shares. This includes the impact of the 167 million shares that we issued in January for the Anywhere transaction.
Scott Wahlers: When you add up the expenses for these three items, the LTIP, the healthcare costs, and the GAAP rent item compared to the Q1 period of last year, it amounts to an incremental expense in the range of $15 to $20 million in the Q1 guide for the Anywhere component, or seventeen and a half million dollars at the midpoint. Adjusting for these items, our Adjusted EBITDA guidance for Q1 would have been $32.5 million to $47.5 million. We expect our weighted average share count for the Q1 to be between 720 to 730 million shares. This includes the impact of the 167 million shares that we issued in January for the Anywhere transaction.
Speaker #2: So adjusting for these items, our adjusted EBITDA guidance for Q1 would have been $32.5 million to $47.5 million. We expect our weighted average share account for the first quarter to be between $720 to $730 million shares.
Speaker #2: This includes the impact of the $167 million shares that we issued in January for the Anywhere transaction. For opex, while we are not providing a specific range for the full year at this time, as we're completing the purchase accounting process, to provide some direction for your models, be sure to consider in your baseline the standard inflation assumption we use of 3 to 4 percent on both the historical Compass and Anywhere opex, an incremental $20 million of annualized opex from the wraparound effect of mid-year 2025 M&A and also the $16 to $20 million increase that I referenced earlier in gap operating lease expenses as a result of the purchase accounting reset.
Scott Wahlers: For OPEX, while we are not providing a specific range for the full year at this time as we're completing the purchase accounting process, to provide some direction for your models, be sure to consider in your baseline the standard inflation assumption we use of 3% to 4% on both the historical Compass and Anywhere OPEX, an incremental $20 million of annualized OPEX from the wraparound effect of mid-year 2025 M&A, and also the $16 million to $20 million increase that I referenced earlier in GAAP operating lease expenses as a result of the purchase accounting reset. Of course, these items will be offset by the net cost synergies that we realize in year. We'll provide additional updates on OPEX next quarter after we finalize our purchase accounting for the transaction. Finally, a few thoughts on cash balances and debt levels.
Scott Wahlers: For OPEX, while we are not providing a specific range for the full year at this time as we're completing the purchase accounting process, to provide some direction for your models, be sure to consider in your baseline the standard inflation assumption we use of 3% to 4% on both the historical Compass and Anywhere OPEX, an incremental $20 million of annualized OPEX from the wraparound effect of mid-year 2025 M&A, and also the $16 million to $20 million increase that I referenced earlier in GAAP operating lease expenses as a result of the purchase accounting reset.
Scott Wahlers: Of course, these items will be offset by the net cost synergies that we realize in year. We'll provide additional updates on OPEX next quarter after we finalize our purchase accounting for the transaction. Finally, a few thoughts on cash balances and debt levels.
Speaker #2: Of course, these items will be offset by the net cost synergies that we realize in year. We'll provide additional updates on opex next quarter after we finalize our purchase accounting for the transaction.
Speaker #2: Finally, a few thoughts on cash balances and debt levels. As you think about cash levels, note that Compass end of the year with $199 million of cash and has a frame of reference Anywhere's cash as of year-end was $139 million.
Scott Wahlers: As you think about cash levels, note that Compass ended the year with $199 million of cash. As a frame of reference, Anywhere's cash as of year-end was $139 million. January cash activity reflects $880 million of net proceeds from the convertible debt issuance, partially offset by $500 million used to repay Anywhere's revolver and approximately $175 million of day one transaction cash outflows. Note that transaction costs and the cash used for cost to achieve will run through the operating cash flow line. Payments for Anywhere's annual employee bonus and LTIP programs are scheduled for payout in Q1 and will also come through the operating cash flow line. As a result, we will report materially negative free cash flow in Q1.
Scott Wahlers: As you think about cash levels, note that Compass ended the year with $199 million of cash. As a frame of reference, Anywhere's cash as of year-end was $139 million. January cash activity reflects $880 million of net proceeds from the convertible debt issuance, partially offset by $500 million used to repay Anywhere's revolver and approximately $175 million of day one transaction cash outflows. Note that transaction costs and the cash used for cost to achieve will run through the operating cash flow line.
Speaker #2: Additionally, January cash activity reflects $880 million of net proceeds from the convertible debt issuance, partially offset by $500 million used to repay Anywhere's revolver, and approximately $175 million of day-one transaction cash outflows.
Speaker #2: Note that transaction costs and the cash used for costs to achieve will run through the operating cash flow line, additionally payments for Anywhere's annual employee bonus and LTIP programs are scheduled for payout in the first quarter and will also come through the operating cash flow line.
Scott Wahlers: Payments for Anywhere's annual employee bonus and LTIP programs are scheduled for payout in Q1 and will also come through the operating cash flow line. As a result, we will report materially negative free cash flow in Q1.
Speaker #2: As a result, we will report materially negative free cash flow in Q1. We will return to free cash flow positive in future quarters, excluding the impact of any one-time items for the transaction, and the cost to achieve are cost synergies.
Scott Wahlers: We will return to free cash flow positive in future quarters, excluding the impact of any one-time items for the transaction and the cost to achieve our cost synergies. Finally, regarding debt levels. We now have long-term debt of $3.15 billion, which includes the $1 billion of newly issued convertible debt, plus $2.15 billion of Anywhere's 4 tranches of notes that we assumed as part of the closing of the transaction. We don't expect to prepay any of the debt in advance of at least April 2027 due to the nature of the call provisions on the 2 tranches of debt with the highest interest rates.
Scott Wahlers: We will return to free cash flow positive in future quarters, excluding the impact of any one-time items for the transaction and the cost to achieve our cost synergies. Finally, regarding debt levels. We now have long-term debt of $3.15 billion, which includes the $1 billion of newly issued convertible debt, plus $2.15 billion of Anywhere's 4 tranches of notes that we assumed as part of the closing of the transaction. We don't expect to prepay any of the debt in advance of at least April 2027 due to the nature of the call provisions on the 2 tranches of debt with the highest interest rates.
Speaker #2: And finally, regarding debt levels, we now have long-term debt of $3.15 billion, which includes the $1 billion of newly issued convertible debt plus $2.15 billion of Anywhere's four tranches of notes that we assumed as part of the closing of the transaction.
Speaker #2: We don't expect to prepay any of the debt in advance of at least April of 2027 due to the nature of the call provisions on the two tranches of debt with the highest interest rates.
Speaker #2: For clarity, when I refer to the $3.15 billion of debt, I'm specifically excluding the securitization facilities for Anywhere's CARTIS business and Compass's concierge activity, as these securitization facilities are more operational. In reminder, in November 2025, we replaced our revolving credit facility with a new facility that originally had a capacity of $250 million.
Scott Wahlers: For clarity, when I refer to the 3.15 billion of debt, I'm specifically excluding the securitization facilities for Anywhere's Cartus business and Compass's concierge activity, as these securitization facilities are more operational in nature. As a reminder, in November 2025, we replaced our revolving credit facility with a new facility that originally had a capacity of $250 million. That capacity automatically increased to a half a billion dollars at the time of the closing of the Anywhere transaction in January and remains fully undrawn at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to the operator to begin Q&A.
Scott Wahlers: For clarity, when I refer to the 3.15 billion of debt, I'm specifically excluding the securitization facilities for Anywhere's Cartus business and Compass's concierge activity, as these securitization facilities are more operational in nature. As a reminder, in November 2025, we replaced our revolving credit facility with a new facility that originally had a capacity of $250 million. That capacity automatically increased to a half a billion dollars at the time of the closing of the Anywhere transaction in January and remains fully undrawn at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to the operator to begin Q&A.
Speaker #2: That capacity automatically increased to half a billion dollars at the time of the closing of the Anywhere transaction in January and remains fully undrawn at this time.
Speaker #2: I would now like to turn the call over to the operator to begin Q&A.
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Speaker #3: Hi, everybody. Thanks for all disclosure. Definitely taking some time to unpack this, but appreciate kind of all of it. So when we have talked to folks who've been kind of bearish on your exclusive strategy, the pushback has been well, is Zillow can get all of the other brokerages to work with them exclusively, doesn't that tilt the scale?
Jason Helfstein [Managing Director and Senior Analyst: Hey, everybody. Thanks for all the disclosure. Definitely take you some time to unpack this, but appreciate kind of all of it. When we have talked to folks who've been kind of bearish on your exclusive strategy, the pushback has been, well, if Zillow can get all of the other brokerages to work with them exclusively, doesn't that, like, tilt the scale? Clearly, you know, you getting, it seems like, you know, Redfin to partner with you, that would kind of now moot that point. Maybe elaborate on, you know, I guess, is there anything that you see now that could be an impediment to kind of the three-phase marketing strategy working now that you're partnering with Redfin? I guess just how should we think about the economics for Redfin as part of this transaction?
Jason Helfstein: Hey, everybody. Thanks for all the disclosure. Definitely take you some time to unpack this, but appreciate kind of all of it. When we have talked to folks who've been kind of bearish on your exclusive strategy, the pushback has been, well, if Zillow can get all of the other brokerages to work with them exclusively, doesn't that, like, tilt the scale? Clearly, you know, you getting, it seems like, you know, Redfin to partner with you, that would kind of now moot that point.
Speaker #3: And clearly, you getting, it seems like, Redfin to partner with you, that would kind of now move that point. So maybe elaborate on, I guess, is there anything that you see now that could be an impediment to kind of the three-phase marketing strategy working now that you're partnered with Redfin?
Jason Helfstein: Maybe elaborate on, you know, I guess, is there anything that you see now that could be an impediment to kind of the three-phase marketing strategy working now that you're partnering with Redfin? I guess just how should we think about the economics for Redfin as part of this transaction?
Speaker #3: And then I guess just how should we think about the economics for Redfin, Redfin as part of this transaction? Is there anything you can share?
Jason Helfstein [Managing Director and Senior Analyst: Is there anything you can share? Not transaction, but agreement. Thank you.
Jason Helfstein: Is there anything you can share? Not transaction, but agreement. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Or not transaction, but agreement. Thank you.
Robert Reffkin: You know, absolutely. On your first question on things that can get out in the way of the exclusive strategy. Look, the exclusive strategy, as you know very well, is just homeowner choice. If you're asking will things get in the way of homeowner choice, or can they permanently get in the way of homeowner choice? I don't think so. In choice versus control, homeowner choice versus platform control, homeowner choice will win because it's the seller's home. It's not a platform's home, it's the seller's home. What we're doing is we're competing on giving as many options as possible to the seller, so they can market their home when, where, and how they feel. Since the last launch, we launched undisclosed address.
Robert Reffkin: You know, absolutely. On your first question on things that can get out in the way of the exclusive strategy. Look, the exclusive strategy, as you know very well, is just homeowner choice. If you're asking will things get in the way of homeowner choice, or can they permanently get in the way of homeowner choice? I don't think so. In choice versus control, homeowner choice versus platform control, homeowner choice will win because it's the seller's home. It's not a platform's home, it's the seller's home.
Speaker #4: Absolutely. So on your first question, on things that can get in the way of the exclusive strategy, look, the exclusive strategy, as you know very well, is just homeowner choice.
Speaker #4: So if you're asking or will things get in the way of homeowner choice or can they permanently get in the way of homeowner choice?
Speaker #4: I don't think so. In the choice versus control, homeowner choice versus platform control, homeowner choice will win. Because it's the seller's home. It's not a platform's home.
Speaker #4: It's the seller's home. And so what we're doing is we're competing on giving as many options as possible to the seller. So they can market their home when, where, and how they feel.
Robert Reffkin: What we're doing is we're competing on giving as many options as possible to the seller, so they can market their home when, where, and how they feel. Since the last launch, we launched undisclosed address.
Speaker #4: Since the last launch, we launched undisclosed address. As you know, the portal ban, bans the listing address on and won't put it on that portal's site.
Robert Reffkin: As you know, the portal ban bans the listing address on, and won't put it on that portal's site if it, if it markets outside of the portal for more than 24 hours. Our agents came to us, and they said, Hey, why don't you let me undisclosed address? Because then if that portal doesn't know the address, they can't ban it. That's just one of many, many, many, many, many things that are coming through the pipeline, you know, where we will just continue to give sellers more choice. No, no seller wants less choices. They want more choices. The feedback on this isn't just great for, not have being banned by the dominant portal in the industry.
Robert Reffkin: As you know, the portal ban bans the listing address on, and won't put it on that portal's site if it, if it markets outside of the portal for more than 24 hours. Our agents came to us, and they said, Hey, why don't you let me undisclosed address? Because then if that portal doesn't know the address, they can't ban it. That's just one of many, many, many, many, many things that are coming through the pipeline, you know, where we will just continue to give sellers more choice. No, no seller wants less choices. They want more choices. The feedback on this isn't just great for, not have being banned by the dominant portal in the industry.
Speaker #4: If it markets outside of the portal for more than 24 hours. So our agents came to us and they said, "Hey, why don't you let me undisclose address?" Because then if they don't know if that portal doesn't know the address, they can't ban it.
Speaker #4: And so that's just one of many, many, many, many, many things that are coming through the pipeline, where we will just continue to give sellers more choice.
Speaker #4: And no seller wants less choices. They want more choices. The feedback on this isn't just great for not being banned by the dominant portal in the industry.
Speaker #4: It's also great because it allows sellers the privacy when they want to get public exposure, but without the risk. And there are people that want public exposure.
Robert Reffkin: It's also great because it allows sellers, the privacy when they want to get public exposure, but without the risk. There are people that want public exposure. Let's say you're getting your, you're getting divorced, you don't want your kids to know, and you're moving, and you want to public market your home, but you don't want the address there. There's so many different reasons that more choices provide value. In terms of the economics, I'll highlight it this way. I've already had, through this call, maybe it looks like over five agents reach out to me asking if they can talk about coming to Compass because of the leads. We have 1.2 million Rocket Mortgage Redfin leads that will come to our agents as part of this.
Robert Reffkin: It's also great because it allows sellers, the privacy when they want to get public exposure, but without the risk. There are people that want public exposure. Let's say you're getting your, you're getting divorced, you don't want your kids to know, and you're moving, and you want to public market your home, but you don't want the address there. There's so many different reasons that more choices provide value.
Speaker #4: Let's say you're getting your divorce. You don't want your kids to know. And you're moving and you want public marketed home, but you don't want the address there.
Speaker #4: And so there's so many different reasons that this provides that more choices provide value. In terms of the economics, I'll highlight it this way.
Robert Reffkin: In terms of the economics, I'll highlight it this way. I've already had, through this call, maybe it looks like over five agents reach out to me asking if they can talk about coming to Compass because of the leads. We have 1.2 million Rocket Mortgage Redfin leads that will come to our agents as part of this.
Speaker #4: I've already had, through this call, it looks like over five agents reach out to me asking if they can talk about coming to Compass because of the leads.
Speaker #4: We have 1.2 million ROC and margin Redfin leads that will come to our agents as part of this. All the agents in our network of brands that makes it something that agents want to stay for, feel value for, want to come for.
Robert Reffkin: The, all the agents in our network of brands. That makes it something that agents want to stay for, feel value for, want to come for. Your broker-owners, your franchise affiliates, it makes them feel, see value and wants to, you know, come and stay and continue their franchise agreements. In addition to those leads, this is an exclusive partnership, so our listing agents will be able to go to you, the seller, and say, Jason, you have a very special home. You know, you say you want $3 million for it. I think it's probably worth $2.7 million. If you list with anyone else and you're wrong, you're gonna have a price drop that's gonna hurt the value of your home. You may have extended days on market.
Robert Reffkin: The, all the agents in our network of brands. That makes it something that agents want to stay for, feel value for, want to come for. Your broker-owners, your franchise affiliates, it makes them feel, see value and wants to, you know, come and stay and continue their franchise agreements. In addition to those leads, this is an exclusive partnership, so our listing agents will be able to go to you, the seller, and say, Jason, you have a very special home.
Speaker #4: Your broker owners, your franchise affiliates, it makes them see value and want to come and stay and continue their franchise agreements. In addition to those leads, it gives our this is an exclusive partnership.
Speaker #4: So our listing agents will be able to go to you, the seller, and say, "Jason, you have a very special home. But say you want $3 million for it.
Robert Reffkin: You know, you say you want $3 million for it. I think it's probably worth $2.7 million. If you list with anyone else and you're wrong, you're gonna have a price drop that's gonna hurt the value of your home. You may have extended days on market.
Speaker #4: I think it's probably worth 2.7." If you list with anyone else and you're wrong, you're going to have a price drop that's going to hurt the value of your home.
Speaker #4: You may have extended days on market. But we have a partnership with Redfin where I can publicly market your listing to 60 million buyers no days on market, no negative insights.
Robert Reffkin: We have a partnership with Redfin where I can publicly market your listing to 60 million buyers, no days on market, no negative insights. This changes everything. This is historic. This will change the way people sell and buy homes. It will give all of our agents and our network of brands a huge advantage when they're pitching, when they're in the living room with a seller trying to get the business. I think the number of listings will grow as a result, bringing new inventory to this company and to the market. You have the buyer inquiries going directly to the listing agents for all of these, which is a huge value add. You know, there's a huge value add for the agents.
Robert Reffkin: We have a partnership with Redfin where I can publicly market your listing to 60 million buyers, no days on market, no negative insights. This changes everything. This is historic. This will change the way people sell and buy homes. It will give all of our agents and our network of brands a huge advantage when they're pitching, when they're in the living room with a seller trying to get the business.
Speaker #4: This changes everything. This is historic. This will change the way people sell and buy homes. Because it will give all of our agents and our network of brands a huge advantage when they're pitching in the living room with a seller trying to get the business.
Speaker #4: And so I think we'll be the number of listings will grow as a result, bringing new inventory to this company and to the market.
Robert Reffkin: I think the number of listings will grow as a result, bringing new inventory to this company and to the market. You have the buyer inquiries going directly to the listing agents for all of these, which is a huge value add. You know, there's a huge value add for the agents.
Speaker #4: Then you have the buyer inquiries. Going directly to the listing agents for all of these, which is a huge value add to there's this is a huge value add for the agents.
Robert Reffkin: Again, lastly, the listings will be prioritized on Redfin. You know, this is something that shows the listing agents that we are fighting for them to have more choices. We are fighting for them and their sellers to have more options. While others are banning and fining them for not giving up their content to them, we're advocating for them. This, you know, this is a moment where, you know, we are fighting for agents to be able to not be banned and fined by dominant platforms and be able to market and meet their fiduciary duty to their sellers. In terms of the financial, we're not sharing that at this time. We probably will in one of the upcoming quarters.
Speaker #4: And again, lastly, the listings will be prioritized on Redfin. So this is something that shows the listing agents that we are fighting for them to have more choices we are fighting for them and their sellers to have more options.
Robert Reffkin: Again, lastly, the listings will be prioritized on Redfin. You know, this is something that shows the listing agents that we are fighting for them to have more choices. We are fighting for them and their sellers to have more options. While others are banning and fining them for not giving up their content to them, we're advocating for them. This, you know, this is a moment where, you know, we are fighting for agents to be able to not be banned and fined by dominant platforms and be able to market and meet their fiduciary duty to their sellers. In terms of the financial, we're not sharing that at this time. We probably will in one of the upcoming quarters.
Speaker #4: And while others are banning and fighting them for not giving up their content to them, we're advocating for them. And so, this is a moment where we are fighting for agents to be able to not be banned and fined by dominant platforms, and be able to market and meet their fiduciary duty to their sellers.
Speaker #4: In terms of the financial, we're not sharing that at this time. We probably will in one of the upcoming quarters. But you can kind of do your math on what you think the 1.2 million leads would equal.
Robert Reffkin: You can kind of do your math on what you think the 1.2 million leads would equal.
Robert Reffkin: You can kind of do your math on what you think the 1.2 million leads would equal.
Speaker #3: I appreciate the color. Thank you.
Scott Wahlers: Appreciate the color. Thank you.
Jason Helfstein: Appreciate the color. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Daily. With JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Dae Lee with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #5: Okay. Great. Thanks for taking my questions. And sorry I dropped earlier. Apparently, I'm in an AI boss who can be from getting disconnected. First of all, on that topic, so I mean, I agree that real estate is personal and emotional.
Dae Lee [Equity Research VP: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Sorry, I dropped earlier. Currently, I'm in an AI vault to keep me from getting disconnected. First one on that topic. I mean, I agree that real estate is personal and emotional, but like, as we think about consumers getting more transparency and self-serve tools, like how do you think about helping your agents communicate their value proposition of that personal and emotional element? Do you feel like you can give them a differentiated AI-enabled value that can, you know, convince consumers to pay those rates and keep the per transaction economics resilient? Secondly, maybe for Scott, for the combined entity, how should we think about the commission as % of revenue on a blended basis in 2026?
Dae Lee: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Sorry, I dropped earlier. Currently, I'm in an AI vault to keep me from getting disconnected. First one on that topic. I mean, I agree that real estate is personal and emotional, but like, as we think about consumers getting more transparency and self-serve tools, like how do you think about helping your agents communicate their value proposition of that personal and emotional element? Do you feel like you can give them a differentiated AI-enabled value that can, you know, convince consumers to pay those rates and keep the per transaction economics resilient?
Speaker #5: But as we think about consumers getting more transparency and self-sort tools, how do you think about helping your agents communicate their value propositions of that personal and emotional element?
Speaker #5: And do you feel like you can give them a
Speaker #1: Appreciate it . AI level value that can convince consumers to pay those rates and keep the transaction economics resilient . And then secondly , maybe for Scott , for the combined entity , how should we think about the commission as percent of revenue On the blended basis in 2026 ?
Dae Lee: Secondly, maybe for Scott, for the combined entity, how should we think about the commission as % of revenue on a blended basis in 2026?
Speaker #1: And for other normalized basis , what kind of free cash flow conversion should we expect
Dae Lee [Equity Research VP: For on a normalized basis, what kind of free cash flow conversion should we expect?
Dae Lee: For on a normalized basis, what kind of free cash flow conversion should we expect?
Speaker #2: So first , on AI and value , like I say , a couple of things A technology , the internet would have a lot of the things that we are seeing now would have happened .
Robert Reffkin: First on AI and value. Look, I'd say a couple of things. Technology, the internet would have. A lot of the things that people are seeing now would have happened, they have said for the last 20 years about the internet. Over the last 20 years, people are using buyer agents more than they were 20 years ago. Just go look at it year after year after year. It's higher than it's ever been. Now, why is that? I think it goes a little bit to the theme I was saying earlier on the call, which is the internet led to a bunch of fake accounts, fake listings, fake postings, and a lot of garbage. When you think about, you know, fake news. News was a lot more credible before than today.
Robert Reffkin: First on AI and value. Look, I'd say a couple of things. Technology, the internet would have. A lot of the things that people are seeing now would have happened, they have said for the last 20 years about the internet. Over the last 20 years, people are using buyer agents more than they were 20 years ago. Just go look at it year after year after year. It's higher than it's ever been. Now, why is that? I think it goes a little bit to the theme I was saying earlier on the call, which is the internet led to a bunch of fake accounts, fake listings, fake postings, and a lot of garbage.
Speaker #2: They've said for last 20 years about the internet . And over the last 20 years people are using more than they were 20 years ago .
Speaker #2: Just go , go look at it year after year after year . It's higher than it's ever been now . Now , why is that Which is the internet led to a bunch of fake fake accounts .
Speaker #2: Fake listings , fake fake postings and a lot of garbage . We think about fake news . News was a lot more credible before than than today .
Robert Reffkin: When you think about, you know, fake news. News was a lot more credible before than today.
Speaker #2: And now today for me , I go to Bloomberg . I can trust it . So trust in the era of more technology , more AI .
Robert Reffkin: Now today, you know, for me, I go to Bloomberg, I can trust it. Trust in the era of more technology, more AI, you're just gonna have less trust and more fake stuff. In our industry with AI, it won't just be fake accounts, fake listings, fake offers. It'll be fake documentation, fake reviews, fake negotiations, fake identities, fake videos. It's really gonna be all over the place. That's where agents come in. They deal with all the noise. They make sure that what you see is real, what you see is accurate, and that your time is well valued. For a transaction that is literally the most expensive transaction you're gonna make, whether you buy or sell, to pay for certainty has a price, right?
Robert Reffkin: Now today, you know, for me, I go to Bloomberg, I can trust it. Trust in the era of more technology, more AI, you're just gonna have less trust and more fake stuff. In our industry with AI, it won't just be fake accounts, fake listings, fake offers. It'll be fake documentation, fake reviews, fake negotiations, fake identities, fake videos. It's really gonna be all over the place. That's where agents come in. They deal with all the noise. They make sure that what you see is real, what you see is accurate, and that your time is well valued.
Speaker #2: You're just going to have less trust and more fake stuff in our industry . With AI , it won't just be fake accounts , fake listings , fake offers , it'll be fake documentation , fake reviews , fake negotiations , fake identities , fake videos .
Speaker #2: And it's really going to be all over the place . And that's where agents come in . They shift , they they deal with all the noise .
Speaker #2: They make sure that what you see is real and what you see is accurate, and that your time is well valued.
Speaker #2: And for a transaction that is literally the most expensive transaction you're going to make , whether you buy or sell to pay for certainty , certainty has a price , right ?
Robert Reffkin: For a transaction that is literally the most expensive transaction you're gonna make, whether you buy or sell, to pay for certainty has a price, right?
Speaker #2: And confidence has a price . And emotional , you know , the emotional confidence to know that you're you're not going to be taken advantage of because you have the right advocate in front of you that there's a price for that .
Robert Reffkin: Confidence has a price. Emotional, you know, the emotional confidence to know that you're not gonna be taken advantage of because you have a great advocate in front of you, but, you know, there's a price for that. You know, I think that price will. I'm very confident that, you know, people will continue to pay for the value of the real estate professional. Now, I call it AI for AI, not. Well, artificial intelligence to empower agent intelligence. We have AI all throughout our platform, the current environment will let us build faster, build more, build cheaper, and to integrate AI in more exciting ways in the future than we have in the past. This is only going to, I think, help. Real estate isn't a transaction, it's a process.
Robert Reffkin: Confidence has a price. Emotional, you know, the emotional confidence to know that you're not gonna be taken advantage of because you have a great advocate in front of you, but, you know, there's a price for that. You know, I think that price will. I'm very confident that, you know, people will continue to pay for the value of the real estate professional. Now, I call it AI for AI, not. Well, artificial intelligence to empower agent intelligence.
Speaker #2: And, you know, I think that that price will—I'm very confident that people continue to pay for the value of the real estate professional.
Speaker #2: Now , I call it AI for AI , not artificial intelligence to empower agent intelligence . We have all throughout our platform and and we're going to and these the current environment will let us build faster , build more , build cheaper and to integrate AI in more exciting ways in the future than we have in the past .
Robert Reffkin: We have AI all throughout our platform, the current environment will let us build faster, build more, build cheaper, and to integrate AI in more exciting ways in the future than we have in the past. This is only going to, I think, help. Real estate isn't a transaction, it's a process.
Speaker #2: So this is only going to , I think , help real estate isn't a transaction . It's a process . You know , technology can eliminate a event , a transaction , but not not a not a process .
Robert Reffkin: You know, technology can eliminate an event, a transaction, but not a process. You know, you have to find the person and build a relationship. Let's call a seller. You have to meet them in person. You have to explain why work with me, why work with my firm, what can I provide, what tools I have, what programs do I have. You're gonna stage it. You're gonna do deep cleaning, cosmetic repair, you know, do flooring, and roofing. You know, that, you know, AI can't do that. You're gonna schedule appointments. You're gonna take photos. You're gonna decide which photo is the best photo. Yes, you're gonna use AI to determine which photo is the best photo, but your judgment's gonna be on top of it.
Robert Reffkin: You know, technology can eliminate an event, a transaction, but not a process. You know, you have to find the person and build a relationship. Let's call a seller. You have to meet them in person. You have to explain why work with me, why work with my firm, what can I provide, what tools I have, what programs do I have. You're gonna stage it. You're gonna do deep cleaning, cosmetic repair, you know, do flooring, and roofing. You know, that, you know, AI can't do that. You're gonna schedule appointments. You're gonna take photos. You're gonna decide which photo is the best photo.
Speaker #2: You have to you have to you have to find the person and build a relationship . Let's call a seller . You have to meet them in person .
Speaker #2: You have to explain why . Work with me , work with my firm . What can I provide ? What tools do I have ?
Speaker #2: What programs I have ? You're going to stage it . You're going to do deep cleaning , cosmetic repair . For , you know , flooring , roofing .
Speaker #2: You know that , hey , I can't do that . You're going to schedule appointments , you're going to take photos , you're going to you're decide which photos , the best photo .
Speaker #2: And yes, you're going to use AI to determine which photo is the best photo. But your judgment is going to be on top of it.
Robert Reffkin: Yes, you're gonna use AI to determine which photo is the best photo, but your judgment's gonna be on top of it.
Speaker #2: And in judgment will be more valuable than than before because of all the noise in the system .
Robert Reffkin: Judgment will be more valuable than before because of all the noise in the system.
Robert Reffkin: Judgment will be more valuable than before because of all the noise in the system.
Speaker #3: And they'll I'll take your question on the on the gross margin . You know , obviously we don't have a gross margin line on the PNL , but we talk about gross margin in a shorthand way to to recognize the remaining difference after subtracting commissions from revenue .
Scott Wahlers: Yeah, Dae, I'll take your question on the gross margin. You know, obviously, we don't have a gross margin line on the P&L, but we talk about gross margin in a shorthand way to recognize the remaining difference after subtracting commissions from revenue. On that basis, on a consolidated level, you can absolutely expect gross margin to go up in the future as a result of the franchise business and the title business coming in from Anywhere that just doesn't have any direct commission expense related to it. Even if you tease out just the brokerage business, margins will also go up as the margins for the Anywhere-owned brokerage are better than the gross margins on the Compass side.
Scott Wahlers: Yeah, Dae, I'll take your question on the gross margin. You know, obviously, we don't have a gross margin line on the P&L, but we talk about gross margin in a shorthand way to recognize the remaining difference after subtracting commissions from revenue. On that basis, on a consolidated level, you can absolutely expect gross margin to go up in the future as a result of the franchise business and the title business coming in from Anywhere that just doesn't have any direct commission expense related to it.
Speaker #3: So on that , on that basis , on a consolidated level , you can absolutely expect gross margin to go up in the future .
Speaker #3: As a result of the franchise business and the title business coming in from anywhere that doesn't have any direct commission expense related to it .
Speaker #3: But even if you tease out just the brokerage business , margins will also go up as the margins for the anywhere owned brokerage are better than the gross margins on the compass side .
Scott Wahlers: Even if you tease out just the brokerage business, margins will also go up as the margins for the Anywhere-owned brokerage are better than the gross margins on the Compass side.
Speaker #3: One way to estimate get an estimate of what that could look like is if you look at the pro forma financials that were included in the 8-K , we filed when we announced the transaction , you'll see some , some , some estimates there .
Scott Wahlers: One way to estimate, get an estimate of what that could look like is if you look at the pro forma financials that were included in the 8-K we filed, when we announced the transaction, you'll see some estimates there. I'd also note that going forward, we will be providing segment disclosures on the combined business and breaking out the owned brokerage from the franchise business, and then separately the integrated services businesses, which will include title and the Cartus relocation facility. You'll have a lot better information on that next quarter.
Scott Wahlers: One way to estimate, get an estimate of what that could look like is if you look at the pro forma financials that were included in the 8-K we filed, when we announced the transaction, you'll see some estimates there. I'd also note that going forward, we will be providing segment disclosures on the combined business and breaking out the owned brokerage from the franchise business, and then separately the integrated services businesses, which will include title and the Cartus relocation facility. You'll have a lot better information on that next quarter.
Speaker #3: I'd also note that, going forward, we will be providing segment disclosures on the combined business and breaking out the owned brokerage from the franchise business.
Speaker #3: And then separately , the integrated services businesses , which will include title and the relocation facility . So you'll have a you'll have a lot better information on that next quarter .
Speaker #3: A little bit too early for me to give you those exact numbers . Now is we're still bringing that information together . And then on the on the cash flow , look , you know , 78% , 70 to 80% conversion from EBITDA to free cash flow is probably still a good rule of thumb .
Scott Wahlers: It's a little bit too early for me to give you those exact numbers now as we're still bringing that information together. On the cash flow, look at, you know, 70% to 80% conversion from EBITDA to free cash flow is probably still a good rule of thumb. We've generally been a little bit on the high end of that range, and it might be more to the lower end of that range because the one thing you need to consider now going forward is interest expense, which will drive that shift. The one call-out, though, is, as I said in the prepared remarks, there's a lot of expenses that will be going out this quarter, in particular Q1 and for the full year 2026, directly related to this transaction.
Scott Wahlers: It's a little bit too early for me to give you those exact numbers now as we're still bringing that information together. On the cash flow, look at, you know, 70% to 80% conversion from EBITDA to free cash flow is probably still a good rule of thumb. We've generally been a little bit on the high end of that range, and it might be more to the lower end of that range because the one thing you need to consider now going forward is interest expense, which will drive that shift.
Speaker #3: Generally been a little bit on the high end of that range . And it might be more to the lower end of that range , because the one thing you need to consider now going forward is interest expense , which will drive that , that shift .
Scott Wahlers: The one call-out, though, is, as I said in the prepared remarks, there's a lot of expenses that will be going out this quarter, in particular Q1 and for the full year 2026, directly related to this transaction.
Speaker #3: The one call out , though , is , as I said in the prepared remarks , there's a lot of expenses that will be going out this quarter .
Speaker #3: In particular , Q1 . And for the full year 2026 , directly related to this transaction . And so we're going to be negative free cash flow for the first quarter .
Scott Wahlers: We're gonna be negative free cash flow for Q1. You know, you have to kind of look at it on a normalized basis after backing out the $175 million I talked about for transaction expenses, and the cost to achieve the synergies. On a go-forward basis, I think that 70% to 80%, adjusted for interest, is probably a reasonable flow-through effect.
Scott Wahlers: We're gonna be negative free cash flow for Q1. You know, you have to kind of look at it on a normalized basis after backing out the $175 million I talked about for transaction expenses, and the cost to achieve the synergies. On a go-forward basis, I think that 70% to 80%, adjusted for interest, is probably a reasonable flow-through effect.
Speaker #3: And that'll that'll , you know , you have to kind of look at it in a normalized basis . After backing out 175 million , I talked about for transaction expenses and the cost to achieve the synergies .
Speaker #3: But on a go-forward basis, I think that 70 to 80%, adjusted for interest, is probably a reasonable flow-through effect.
Speaker #1: Got it . Thank you
Robert Reffkin: Got it. Thank you.
Dae Lee: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of Alec Brondolo with Wells Fargo . Your line is open . Please proceed
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Alec Brondolo with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please proceed.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Alec Brondolo with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please proceed.
Speaker #5: Yeah . Hey , thanks so much . Really appreciate the question . Maybe . Robert . One for you . I think that there's there's two ways that you could have taken this exclusive strategy .
Alec Brondolo: Yeah. Hey, thanks so much. Really appreciate the question. Maybe, Robert, one for you. I think that there's two ways that you could have taken this private exclusive strategy. Obviously, you settled on the strategy of kind of syndicating the private exclusive to Redfin Rocket in exchange for a lead. I think another direction you could have taken the strategy would have been to syndicate the private exclusives onto Compass.com exclusively and try to build traffic into the O&O real estate portal and then develop lead flow over time that way. Could you maybe just help us understand why you went with kind of this plurality or this deal over the other one I proposed? Thank you.
Alec Brondolo: Yeah. Hey, thanks so much. Really appreciate the question. Maybe, Robert, one for you. I think that there's two ways that you could have taken this private exclusive strategy. Obviously, you settled on the strategy of kind of syndicating the private exclusive to Redfin Rocket in exchange for a lead. I think another direction you could have taken the strategy would have been to syndicate the private exclusives onto Compass.com exclusively and try to build traffic into the O&O real estate portal and then develop lead flow over time that way.
Speaker #5: Obviously , you settled on the strategy of syndicating the private exclusive to Redfin and Rocket in exchange for leads . I think another direction you could have taken the strategy would have been to syndicate the private exclusives onto Compass, Inc. exclusively and try to build traffic into real estate portal , and then develop leads over time .
Speaker #5: That way . Could you maybe just help us understand why you went with kind of this modality or this deal over the other one ?
Alec Brondolo: Could you maybe just help us understand why you went with kind of this plurality or this deal over the other one I proposed? Thank you.
Speaker #5: I prefer? Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah , thanks for asking . Yeah . Look , we we in International Holdings , we have nine incredible sites , all that connect to our internal that we're building to connect into our our listing platform that has everything from first contact to cash .
Robert Reffkin: Yeah. Thanks for asking. Look, we in Compass International Holdings, we have nine incredible sites, all that would connect to our that we're building to connect into our listing platform that has everything from first contact to cash and close for our real estate professionals and their buyers and sellers, all the key buy-side flows, all the key work, key sell-side flows. Yes, we're still building that and investing in that. Those sites I expect to get more and more traffic over time. During the life of this three-year agreement, I think this is a great opportunity to partner with one of the best companies in our space.
Robert Reffkin: Yeah. Thanks for asking. Look, we in Compass International Holdings, we have nine incredible sites, all that would connect to our that we're building to connect into our listing platform that has everything from first contact to cash and close for our real estate professionals and their buyers and sellers, all the key buy-side flows, all the key work, key sell-side flows. Yes, we're still building that and investing in that. Those sites I expect to get more and more traffic over time. During the life of this three-year agreement, I think this is a great opportunity to partner with one of the best companies in our space.
Speaker #2: Enclosed for our real estate professionals and their buyers and sellers . All the key buyside flows , all the key work key sell side flows and and so yes , we're still building that , investing in that those sites I expect to get more and more traffic over time .
Speaker #2: But during the the life of this three year agreement , I think this is a great opportunity to partner with one of the best companies in our space , you know , and I think the rocket Redfin partner shows that another large participant in the industry agrees with our position on home seller choice as it relates to , you know , you know , everything that's happening in the market .
Robert Reffkin: You know, I think the Rocket Redfin partner shows that another large participant in the industry agrees with our position on home seller choice. As it relates to, you know, everything that's happening in the market, it'll be nice to have a company of its size and scale advocating for home seller choice alongside us, so we won't be the only one out there. There's other big brokerages, but it'll be nice to have someone really with the resources of a Rocket, you know, behind us advocating in all the necessary and important ways. I think that's. That can't be overstated because the primary barrier to all this.
Robert Reffkin: You know, I think the Rocket Redfin partner shows that another large participant in the industry agrees with our position on home seller choice. As it relates to, you know, everything that's happening in the market, it'll be nice to have a company of its size and scale advocating for home seller choice alongside us, so we won't be the only one out there. There's other big brokerages, but it'll be nice to have someone really with the resources of a Rocket, you know, behind us advocating in all the necessary and important ways. I think that's. That can't be overstated because the primary barrier to all this.
Speaker #2: It'll be nice to to be to have a company of its size and scale advocating for home seller choice alongside us so we won't be the only one out there .
Speaker #2: There's there's other big brokerages , but it'll be nice to have someone really with the resources of rocket , you know , behind us advocating all the necessary and important ways .
Speaker #2: So I think that's that can't be overstated because the primary barrier to all this , this time next year , we should have 200,000 listings that are on our sites that that are publicly on our sites , that are where anyone can search it , that are not on Other sites .
Robert Reffkin: This time next year, we should have 200,000 listings that are on our sites, that are publicly on our sites, that are where anyone can search it, that are not on other sites, to bring the consumer to us. That's just that simple. In 2018, 90% of our listings before Clear Cooperation, 90% of them started off as publicly searchable listings on our site as coming soons, and for on average 11 days. It was bringing the consumer to our site to search as any normal company would if you weren't being restricted by a nongovernmental entities like NAR. NAR came out with a rule, the Clear Cooperation rule, that said any public marketing of a listing after 24 hours, you must put in MLS.
Robert Reffkin: This time next year, we should have 200,000 listings that are on our sites, that are publicly on our sites, that are where anyone can search it, that are not on other sites, to bring the consumer to us. That's just that simple. In 2018, 90% of our listings before Clear Cooperation, 90% of them started off as publicly searchable listings on our site as coming soons, and for on average 11 days. It was bringing the consumer to our site to search as any normal company would if you weren't being restricted by a nongovernmental entities like NAR.
Speaker #2: And to bring the consumer to us . And so that's it's just that simple . And in 2018 , 90% of our listings before clear cooperation , 90% of them started off as publicly searchable listings on our site as coming soon .
Speaker #2: And and for on average , 11 days , it was bringing , bringing the consumer to our site to search as any normal company would .
Speaker #2: If you weren't being restricted by non-governmental entities like NAR. But then NAR came out with a rule, the Clear Cooperation Rule, that said any public marketing of a listing, after 24 hours, you must put it in the MLS.
Robert Reffkin: NAR came out with a rule, the Clear Cooperation rule, that said any public marketing of a listing after 24 hours, you must put in MLS.
Speaker #2: So we were no longer able to have the natural advantage of having these listings on our site. So now, with Compass International Holdings and these nine incredible brands, we have over 700,000 listings.
Robert Reffkin: We were no longer able to have the natural advantage of having these listings on our site. Now with Compass International Holdings and these 9 incredible brands, we have over 700,000 listings, I believe, together. What's 90% of that? That's over 500,000. Those listings should, without restrictions, if you just take what the world was like in 2018, if you eliminated the Clear Cooperation rule, which is only being enforced in 40% of markets now. 60% of them are giving you the choice in the MLSs. If you eliminate the Zillow ban, which bans anyone that advertises off of Zillow, I mean, just again, imagine if Google banned everyone that advertised off Google, what would the world say?
Robert Reffkin: We were no longer able to have the natural advantage of having these listings on our site. Now with Compass International Holdings and these 9 incredible brands, we have over 700,000 listings, I believe, together. What's 90% of that? That's over 500,000. Those listings should, without restrictions, if you just take what the world was like in 2018, if you eliminated the Clear Cooperation rule, which is only being enforced in 40% of markets now. 60% of them are giving you the choice in the MLSs. If you eliminate the Zillow ban, which bans anyone that advertises off of Zillow, I mean, just again, imagine if Google banned everyone that advertised off Google, what would the world say?
Speaker #2: I believe , together . So it's 90% of that . That's over half a million . Those listings should without restrictions . If you just take what the world was like in 2018 , if you eliminated the clear Corporation rule , which is which is only being enforced in 40% of markets now , 60% of them are letting are giving you the choice in the MLS .
Speaker #2: And if you eliminate the Zillow ban , which bans anyone that advertises off of Zillow , I mean , again , imagine if Google banned everyone that advertised off Google .
Speaker #2: What would the world say ? But if we eliminate those two things , then then we will . We will be able to have hundreds of thousands listings on our sites .
Robert Reffkin: If we eliminate those two things, then we will be able to have hundreds of thousands of listings on our sites, and that's the most important thing for having the independence of the consumer traffic and the demand of consumer traffic that we can give to both our sellers and our agents. We try to do that alone. We're gonna continue to try, and we'll advocate. I don't see a scenario where the MLSs will continue to enforce these restrictive rules with Redfin with Rocket on our side. Because, for two reasons. One, because we now have more resources. Two, because they're going to lose their moral narrative. Their moral narrative is these listings are hidden.
Robert Reffkin: If we eliminate those two things, then we will be able to have hundreds of thousands of listings on our sites, and that's the most important thing for having the independence of the consumer traffic and the demand of consumer traffic that we can give to both our sellers and our agents. We try to do that alone. We're gonna continue to try, and we'll advocate. I don't see a scenario where the MLSs will continue to enforce these restrictive rules with Redfin with Rocket on our side. Because, for two reasons.
Speaker #2: And that's the most important thing for having the independence of the consumer traffic and the demand of consumer traffic that we can give to both our sellers and our agents .
Speaker #2: And so we try to do that alone . We're continuing to try and we continue . Will advocate . But I don't see a scenario where the MLS is will continue to enforce these restrictive rules .
Speaker #2: With Redfin , with rocket on our side , because it one for two reasons . One , because we now have more resources Two because they they're going to lose their moral narrative , their moral narrative .
Robert Reffkin: One, because we now have more resources. Two, because they're going to lose their moral narrative. Their moral narrative is these listings are hidden.
Speaker #2: These these listings are hidden . These are hidden listings . And for transparency , fair housing , Dublin these companies double in deals and all the all that stuff .
Robert Reffkin: These are hidden listings for transparency, fair housing, double-ended, these companies trying double-end deals, all that stuff. Hold on. When we're giving our public coming soon listings to you. Let's just take a market, like CRMLS in LA, or in Dallas, NTREIS, or in Seattle, Northwest MLS. Let's just take all three of those markets. We're gonna give our public listings to Rocket Redfin, publicly searchable with 60 million people. In each of those markets, what's going to happen is that MLS is going to send our agents a fine for up to $5,000. $5,000. I'm gonna look at that piece of paper. The agent's gonna say, Can you help me? Yes, we will help them. What are you gonna tell the public then?
Robert Reffkin: These are hidden listings for transparency, fair housing, double-ended, these companies trying double-end deals, all that stuff. Hold on. When we're giving our public coming soon listings to you. Let's just take a market, like CRMLS in LA, or in Dallas, NTREIS, or in Seattle, Northwest MLS. Let's just take all three of those markets. We're gonna give our public listings to Rocket Redfin, publicly searchable with 60 million people. In each of those markets, what's going to happen is that MLS is going to send our agents a fine for up to $5,000. $5,000. I'm gonna look at that piece of paper.
Speaker #2: But hold on, when we're giving our public coming soon listings to you, let's just take a market like CRM, and LA, or in Dallas, or in Seattle, Northwest MLS.
Speaker #2: Let's just take all three of those markets. We're going to give our public listings to Redfin, publicly searchable with 60 million people.
Speaker #2: And in each of those markets , what's going to happen is that MLS is going to send our agents a fine for up to $5,000 , 5000 .
Speaker #2: And I'm going to look at that piece of paper and say , can you help me ? And yes , we will help them , but what are you going to tell the public then ?
Robert Reffkin: The agent's gonna say, Can you help me? Yes, we will help them. What are you gonna tell the public then?
Speaker #2: Is that—are you telling me that you're fining the agent $5,000 for marketing the listing publicly on, searchable by 60 million people, on Redfin?
Robert Reffkin: Are you telling me that you're fining the agent $5,000 for marketing that listing publicly on searchable by 60 million people on Redfin, these sites, that you're doing that to protect fair housing? Are you doing that to protect transparency? Are you doing that to ensure that we're not double-ending deals? Are you doing this not to protect transparency, but protect your own business model? Right? That's.
Robert Reffkin: Are you telling me that you're fining the agent $5,000 for marketing that listing publicly on searchable by 60 million people on Redfin, these sites, that you're doing that to protect fair housing? Are you doing that to protect transparency? Are you doing that to ensure that we're not double-ending deals? Are you doing this not to protect transparency, but protect your own business model? Right? That's.
Speaker #2: These sites that you're doing that to protect for housing, are you doing that to protect transparency? Are you doing that to ensure that we're not doubling deals?
Speaker #2: Or are you doing this not to protect your privacy , but protect your own business model ? Right . So that's that's it's going to expose that .
Robert Reffkin: It's gonna expose that. I just, again, that with plus the resources, I think the era of MLSs fining agents for marketing outside the MLS and forcing agents to give their sellers the marketing option of one single thing, the uncompetitive marketing option of one-size-fit-all marketing option of one single thing, the MLS, versus the dozens of things that would have happened in the free market to help the seller market their home freely. I think that's over. That just really leaves the, you know, the dominant portal. I think we'll see in the weeks and months ahead how we address that.
Robert Reffkin: It's gonna expose that. I just, again, that with plus the resources, I think the era of MLSs fining agents for marketing outside the MLS and forcing agents to give their sellers the marketing option of one single thing, the uncompetitive marketing option of one-size-fit-all marketing option of one single thing, the MLS, versus the dozens of things that would have happened in the free market to help the seller market their home freely. I think that's over. That just really leaves the, you know, the dominant portal. I think we'll see in the weeks and months ahead how we address that.
Speaker #2: And so I just again that with plus the resources I think the , the era of MLS is fining agents for for marketing outside the MLS , and forcing agents to to give their sellers the marketing option of one single thing to uncompetitive marketing option of one size fits all market of one single thing .
Speaker #2: The MLS versus the dozens of things that would have in the free market to help the seller market their home freely . I think that's over .
Speaker #2: And so then that just really leaves the , you know , the dominant portal . And I think we'll we'll see in the weeks and months ahead how we how we address that
Speaker #5: Perfect. Thank you so much.
Alec Brondolo: Perfect. Thank you so much.
Alec Brondolo: Perfect. Thank you so much.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Mckeveny with Zelman . Your line is open . Please go ahead .
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ryan McKeveny with Zelman. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ryan McKeveny with Zelman. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Hey , thank you , and congrats on the results . So on the on the strategic alliance with Redfin , I guess first question actually is partially about anywhere but ties to the to the alliance .
Ryan McKeveny: Hey, thank you, and congrats on the results. On the, on the strategic alliance with Rocket Redfin, I guess, first question actually is partially about Anywhere, but ties to the, to the alliance. What, what's the status of integration of private exclusives or coming soon from the Anywhere side of things, whether company-owned or franchised, into kind of the existing Compass platform? Is that already integrated? If not, what's the timeline for that? Then similarly, you know, what should we think about the timeline for either the coming soon that'll show up on Redfin versus private exclusive showing up on Redfin? Will that initially be, you know, kind of Compass, what I'll call Compass standalone, or will that be across the, across the Anywhere business as well? Thank you.
Ryan McKeveny: Hey, thank you, and congrats on the results. On the, on the strategic alliance with Rocket Redfin, I guess, first question actually is partially about Anywhere, but ties to the, to the alliance. What, what's the status of integration of private exclusives or coming soon from the Anywhere side of things, whether company-owned or franchised, into kind of the existing Compass platform? Is that already integrated? If not, what's the timeline for that? Then similarly, you know, what should we think about the timeline for either the coming soon that'll show up on Redfin versus private exclusive showing up on Redfin?
Speaker #6: So what's the status of integration of private exclusives or coming soon from the anywhere side of things , whether company owned or franchised into into kind of the existing compass platform ?
Speaker #6: Is that is that already integrated ? If not , what's the timeline for that ? And then similarly , you know , what should we think about the timeline for either the coming soon that will show up on Redfin versus private exclusive showing up on Redfin , and will that initially be , you know , kind of compass , what I'll call compass standalone or will that be across the across the anywhere business as well ?
Ryan McKeveny: Will that initially be, you know, kind of Compass, what I'll call Compass standalone, or will that be across the, across the Anywhere business as well? Thank you.
Speaker #6: Thank you .
Speaker #2: So we're launching our technology to all the owned brokerages in the in in our network of brands on , in July . And so that's when they will be able to to share all of the inventory and access it in all the different ways that compass has been able to do before .
Robert Reffkin: We're launching our technology to all the owned brokerages in our network of brands in July. That's when they will be able to share all of the inventory and access it in all the different ways that Compass has been able to do before. We're launching for the franchise broker owners in January. We have ways to accelerate, and I believe we will be able to give an option towards the end of next month for anyone to be able to create coming soon or private exclusives in the platform. That'll be ready at the end of next month, and then they will have the option to have it go onto Redfin.
Robert Reffkin: We're launching our technology to all the owned brokerages in our network of brands in July. That's when they will be able to share all of the inventory and access it in all the different ways that Compass has been able to do before. We're launching for the franchise broker owners in January. We have ways to accelerate, and I believe we will be able to give an option towards the end of next month for anyone to be able to create coming soon or private exclusives in the platform. That'll be ready at the end of next month, and then they will have the option to have it go onto Redfin.
Speaker #2: We're we're launching for the the franchise broker owners in January . We we have ways to accelerate . And I believe we will be able to give an option towards the end of next month for anyone to be able to create coming soon or private exclusives in the platform .
Speaker #2: And again, that'll be ready at the end of next month. And then they will have the option to have it go onto Redfin.
Speaker #2: I would expect the vast majority , you know , 95 plus percent of our coming soon in exclusives to go on Redfin . But that's it's up for the seller and the agent to to do because we believe in choice .
Robert Reffkin: I would expect the vast majority, you know, 95+% of our coming soon and private exclusives to go onto Redfin. That's. It's up for the seller and the agent to do, because we believe in choice, but there really is no reason not to get that incremental exposure.
Robert Reffkin: I would expect the vast majority, you know, 95+% of our coming soon and private exclusives to go onto Redfin. That's. It's up for the seller and the agent to do, because we believe in choice, but there really is no reason not to get that incremental exposure.
Speaker #2: But there really is no reason not to get that incremental exposure .
Speaker #6: Got it . That makes sense . And I guess on the on the comments about embedding Rocket Mortgage into into the compass International Holdings platform , I guess .
Ryan McKeveny: Got it. That makes sense. I guess on the comments about embedding Rocket Mortgage into the Compass International Holdings platform, I guess what does this mean for like Guaranteed Rate Affinity, OriginPoint side of the business? Any thoughts or anything we should know about on that side of things?
Ryan McKeveny: Got it. That makes sense. I guess on the comments about embedding Rocket Mortgage into the Compass International Holdings platform, I guess what does this mean for like Guaranteed Rate Affinity, OriginPoint side of the business? Any thoughts or anything we should know about on that side of things?
Speaker #6: What does this mean for like guaranteed rate , affinity , origin points out of the business any any thoughts or anything we should know about on that side of things ?
Speaker #2: Yeah , the way I think about it is guaranteed rate is they have there are partner our in person partner they're in our offices while the the way I think about it is that guaranteed then Rocket Mortgage is our digital partner .
Robert Reffkin: Yeah. The way I think about it is Guaranteed Rate is they're our partner, our in-person partner. They're in our offices. The way I think about it is that Guaranteed, Rocket Mortgage is our digital partner. Guaranteed Rate, you know, incredible LOs, you know, local partner in the offices, in the relationships at the sales meetings versus the digital partner on our site. Ultimately what we're doing is we're expanding mortgage options for home buyers with this partnership.
Robert Reffkin: Yeah. The way I think about it is Guaranteed Rate is they're our partner, our in-person partner. They're in our offices. The way I think about it is that Guaranteed, Rocket Mortgage is our digital partner. Guaranteed Rate, you know, incredible LOs, you know, local partner in the offices, in the relationships at the sales meetings versus the digital partner on our site. Ultimately what we're doing is we're expanding mortgage options for home buyers with this partnership.
Speaker #2: So, Guaranteed Rate—you know, the incredible lows, you know, local partner and offices and relationships. At the sales meetings versus the digital partner on our site.
Speaker #2: And but ultimately what we're doing is we're expanding mortgage options for home buyers with this partnership
Speaker #6: Got it . Thank you very much
Ryan McKeveny: Got it. Thank you very much.
Ryan McKeveny: Got it. Thank you very much.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of Benjamin Black with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Benjamin Black with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Benjamin Black with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hi , this is Jeff on for Ben . Thanks for taking my question . Maybe just as a quick follow up on the Alliance and the option for home sellers after after they're coming soon goes on Redfin .
[Analyst] (Deutsche Bank): Hi, this is Jeff on for Ben. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just as a quick follow-up on the alliance and the option for home sellers after their coming soon goes on Redfin. Are you looking to do that nationally and across, or are you gonna be focusing on the 60% of like MLSs, where they're already sort of okay with it? Maybe just some color there on how if that'll be more regional or what the options are for sellers. Thanks.
[Analyst] (Deutsche Bank): Hi, this is Jeff on for Ben. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just as a quick follow-up on the alliance and the option for home sellers after their coming soon goes on Redfin. Are you looking to do that nationally and across, or are you gonna be focusing on the 60% of like MLSs, where they're already sort of okay with it? Maybe just some color there on how if that'll be more regional or what the options are for sellers. Thanks.
Speaker #7: Are are you looking to do that nationally and across , or are you going to be focusing on the 60% of like MLS where they're already sort of okay with it and or maybe just some color there on how if that will be more regional or what the options are for for sellers .
Speaker #7: Thanks .
Speaker #2: Yeah . Well , thank you for asking . I am incredibly excited in northwest MLS with our dear friend Justin Hague , the CEO to to to publicly give listings to Redfin or , you know , Redfin is headquartered .
Robert Reffkin: Well, thank you for asking. I am incredibly excited in Northwest MLS with our dear friend, Justin Haag, the CEO, to publicly give listings to Redfin where Redfin is headquartered. When we get a fine, when one of our individual agents gets a fine for doing what was in their client's best interest, when at their client's request, we'll share that with Rocket. We'll say, Rocket, we wanted to give you these listings that would help the seller, help the agent, help you, Rocket, help Redfin.com. When those moments happen, I think we'll be able to respond accordingly. Again, I don't think that these...
Robert Reffkin: Well, thank you for asking. I am incredibly excited in Northwest MLS with our dear friend, Justin Haag, the CEO, to publicly give listings to Redfin where Redfin is headquartered. When we get a fine, when one of our individual agents gets a fine for doing what was in their client's best interest, when at their client's request, we'll share that with Rocket. We'll say, Rocket, we wanted to give you these listings that would help the seller, help the agent, help you, Rocket, help Redfin.com. When those moments happen, I think we'll be able to respond accordingly. Again, I don't think that these...
Speaker #2: And again when we get a fine when when our our our individual agents get to fine for doing what was in their client's best interest at their client's request , we'll share that with with rocket .
Speaker #2: We'll say rocket , we wanted to we we wanted to give you these listings that would help the seller help the agent , help you rocket .
Speaker #2: Help Redfin.com and and in those moments , happen , I think we'll be able to respond accordingly . And again , I just I don't I don't think that these I believe this is my personal view .
Robert Reffkin: I believe, this is my personal view, I think this alliance marks the end of the restrictions that MLSs have had on agents and sellers on how they market homes. When they're restricting the agent and home seller, they're gonna be restricting Rocket.
Robert Reffkin: I believe, this is my personal view, I think this alliance marks the end of the restrictions that MLSs have had on agents and sellers on how they market homes. When they're restricting the agent and home seller, they're gonna be restricting Rocket.
Speaker #2: I think this alliance Is marks the end of the restrictions that MLS have had on agents and sellers on how they market homes Because when they're restricting the agent and home seller , they're going to be restricting rocket
Speaker #7: Thank you
Alec Brondolo: Got it. Thank you.
Alec Brondolo: Got it. Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Ng with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Ng with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Ng with Goldman Sachs . Your line is open . Please go ahead .
Speaker #8: Hey . Good afternoon . Thank you for the question . First , Robert , I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the the listing agent referral program and you know how that would play out in success .
Michael Ng: Hey, good afternoon. Thank you for the question. First, Robert, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the listing agent referral program and, you know, how that would play out in success. You know, does that translate into, you know, market share gains? You know, who ends up ultimately kind of footing the referral fee? Does that come out of the, you know, buy-side agent's pocket, and does that show up in the commission rate? You know, second, as a follow-up on the Compass-Rocket partnership, you know, that's great to see. You know, is the relationship exclusive, or could other brokerages that, you know, wanna pursue or a coming soon or private exclusive strategy also strike a similar partnership with Rocket? Thank you.
Michael Ng: Hey, good afternoon. Thank you for the question. First, Robert, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the listing agent referral program and, you know, how that would play out in success. You know, does that translate into, you know, market share gains? You know, who ends up ultimately kind of footing the referral fee? Does that come out of the, you know, buy-side agent's pocket, and does that show up in the commission rate? You know, second, as a follow-up on the Compass-Rocket partnership, you know, that's great to see.
Speaker #8: You know , does that translate into , you know , market share gains ? You know , who ends up ultimately kind of footing the referral fee ?
Speaker #8: Does that come out of the , you know , buy side agents pocket , and does that show up in the commission rate .
Speaker #8: And then second , as a follow up on the compass rocket Partnership , you know , that's great to see , you know , is the relationship exclusive or could other brokerages that , you know , want to pursue or a coming soon or private exclusive strategy also strike a similar partnership with rocket ?
Michael Ng: You know, is the relationship exclusive, or could other brokerages that, you know, wanna pursue or a coming soon or private exclusive strategy also strike a similar partnership with Rocket? Thank you.
Speaker #8: Thank you
Speaker #2: I'll start the second question. The relationship is exclusive on the first question, then the new listing agent lead and referral program.
Robert Reffkin: I'll start with the second question. The relationship is exclusive. On the first question, the new listing agent lead and referral program we launched. It gives agents the choice to get to be the only person ever to get a buyer inquiry on their listing, which some agents want. It also gives the choice for them to have someone else get it if they either aren't getting it in enough time or if the, you know, they're on vacation. The dream of the second version is something like this: You're a listing agent.
Robert Reffkin: I'll start with the second question. The relationship is exclusive. On the first question, the new listing agent lead and referral program we launched. It gives agents the choice to get to be the only person ever to get a buyer inquiry on their listing, which some agents want. It also gives the choice for them to have someone else get it if they either aren't getting it in enough time or if the, you know, they're on vacation. The dream of the second version is something like this: You're a listing agent.
Speaker #2: We launched the . This is it gives agents the choice to get be the only person ever to get the buyer inquiry on their listing , which some agents want , but also gives the choice for them to have someone else get it if they don't want .
Speaker #2: If they either aren't getting it in enough time , or if or if the you know they're on vacation . The dream of the second version is something like this .
Speaker #2: You , your listing agent , you get to decide if you don't pick up the phone because in a certain amount of time , how much time you know , ten minutes , five minutes , 15 minutes , anywhere in that range .
Robert Reffkin: You get to decide if you don't pick up the phone because in a certain amount of time, how much time, you know, 10 minutes, 5 minutes, 15 minutes, anywhere in that range, you can choose, then it will go to either someone on your team, someone in the company, a preselected number of buyer agents you like working with. You can choose a different time, and a different group of people, depending on if you're on vacation, if it's late at night, if it's after 5:00 on Fridays, where you're working with, you know, with your family, it's date night. We're trying to give as much flexibility as possible for people to say when they want their inquiry and when they don't and how they would frame it and who they would give it to.
Robert Reffkin: You get to decide if you don't pick up the phone because in a certain amount of time, how much time, you know, 10 minutes, 5 minutes, 15 minutes, anywhere in that range, you can choose, then it will go to either someone on your team, someone in the company, a preselected number of buyer agents you like working with. You can choose a different time, and a different group of people, depending on if you're on vacation, if it's late at night, if it's after 5:00 on Fridays, where you're working with, you know, with your family, it's date night.
Speaker #2: You can choose that. It will go to either someone on your team, someone in the company, or a pre-selected number of buyer agencies, like working with.
Speaker #2: And you can choose a different time in a different group of people depending on if you're on vacation , if it's late at night , if it's after 5:00 on Fridays , where you're working with with your family , it's date night .
Speaker #2: We're trying to give as much flexibility as possible for people to say when they want their inquiry and when they don't , and how they would frame it and who they would give it to , and to honor those listing agents who do give it to others , that it would there'd be a 10% referral fee given back to them by those buyer agents .
Robert Reffkin: We're trying to give as much flexibility as possible for people to say when they want their inquiry and when they don't and how they would frame it and who they would give it to.
Robert Reffkin: To honor those listing agents who do give it to others, there'd be a 10% referral fee given back to them by those buyer agents. Then there's Compass has the traditional referral fee as well.
Robert Reffkin: To honor those listing agents who do give it to others, there'd be a 10% referral fee given back to them by those buyer agents. Then there's Compass has the traditional referral fee as well.
Speaker #2: And and then there's yeah , compass has the traditional Referral fee as well
Speaker #8: Great. Thank you. Thank you, Robert.
Michael Ng: Great. Thank you, Robert.
Michael Ng: Great. Thank you, Robert.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of Matt Boulay with Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Matt Bouley with Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Matt Bouley with Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Hi . You have Elizabeth Lang on for Matt today . Thank you for taking the questions . You gave a helpful color on the cost synergy side , but I was wondering if you could touch specifically on the revenue synergy side .
Elizabeth Langan: Hi. You have Elizabeth Langan on for Matt today. Thank you for taking the questions. You gave a helpful color on the cost synergy side, I was wondering if you could touch specifically on the revenue synergy side, you know, just generally how you're thinking about the potential for the combined company as a whole, and then if you had any details or comments around how you're thinking about the future of the title or the franchise business as well.
Elizabeth Langan: Hi. You have Elizabeth Langan on for Matt today. Thank you for taking the questions. You gave a helpful color on the cost synergy side, I was wondering if you could touch specifically on the revenue synergy side, you know, just generally how you're thinking about the potential for the combined company as a whole, and then if you had any details or comments around how you're thinking about the future of the title or the franchise business as well.
Speaker #9: Just generally how you're thinking about the potential for the combined company as a whole . And then have you had any details or comments around how you're thinking about the future of the title or the franchise business , as well ?
Speaker #3: Yeah, you know, we're really kind of focused, as you can tell from our comments and our trajectory, on the cost synergies.
Robert Reffkin: Yeah, you know, we're really kind of focused, as you can tell from our comments and our trajectory on the cost synergies. We're focusing most heavily right now on the cost synergies, less so on the revenue. I think that'll come over time. Like, one item that I'd call out on the revenue synergies that comes across on the title side is really the scale of having the two title entities together. You know, between what Compass does on title, what the Anywhere side does on title, we're in the $450 to 500 million of title revenue here. It's quite large and, you know, upwards of about 40 different service areas throughout the country.
Robert Reffkin: Yeah, you know, we're really kind of focused, as you can tell from our comments and our trajectory on the cost synergies. We're focusing most heavily right now on the cost synergies, less so on the revenue. I think that'll come over time. Like, one item that I'd call out on the revenue synergies that comes across on the title side is really the scale of having the two title entities together. You know, between what Compass does on title, what the Anywhere side does on title, we're in the $450 to 500 million of title revenue here. It's quite large and, you know, upwards of about 40 different service areas throughout the country.
Speaker #3: We're focusing most heavily right now on the cost synergies less so on the revenue . I think that will come over time . But like one item that I'd call out on the on the the revenue synergies that that comes across on the title side is really the scale of having the two title entities together .
Speaker #3: So , you know , between what compass does on title , what the anywhere side does on title . We're in the 450 to $500 million of title revenue here .
Speaker #3: It's quite large . And , you know , upwards of about 40 different service areas throughout the country . And so there's areas where compass brokerage had a brokerage operations before , but we didn't have any local title operations to attach title onto that brokerage transaction .
Robert Reffkin: There's areas where Compass Brokerage had brokerage operations before, but we didn't have any local title operations to attach title onto that brokerage transaction. Now, with the different service areas we're picking up through the Anywhere transaction, we do. Vice versa, there's areas where Anywhere have brokerage operations, Compass has title that can be used. That'll effectively provide some lift on title. You know, that's one example of some of the opportunities out there. At this point in time, we're really kind of focused heads down on the cost synergies, which is gonna give us great lift to free cash flow generation and the ability for us to start to pay down that debt.
Robert Reffkin: There's areas where Compass Brokerage had brokerage operations before, but we didn't have any local title operations to attach title onto that brokerage transaction. Now, with the different service areas we're picking up through the Anywhere transaction, we do. Vice versa, there's areas where Anywhere have brokerage operations, Compass has title that can be used. That'll effectively provide some lift on title. You know, that's one example of some of the opportunities out there.
Speaker #3: Now , with the different service areas we're picking up through the anywhere transaction , we do and vice versa , there's areas where anywhere a brokerage operations compass has title that that can be used .
Speaker #3: That'll effectively provide some lift on title . But you know , that's one example of some of the opportunities out there . But at this point in time , we're really kind of focused on heads down on the the cost synergies , which is going to give us great lift to to free cash flow generation and the ability for us to start to pay down the debt .
Robert Reffkin: At this point in time, we're really kind of focused heads down on the cost synergies, which is gonna give us great lift to free cash flow generation and the ability for us to start to pay down that debt.
Speaker #9: All right. Thank you very much.
Elizabeth Langan: All right. Thank you very much.
Elizabeth Langan: All right. Thank you very much.
Speaker #4: And with that , I will now turn the call back over to compass founder and CEO Robert , to close this out , Robert .
Operator: With that, I will now turn the call back over to Compass's founder and CEO, Robert Reffkin, to close this out. Robert?
Operator: With that, I will now turn the call back over to Compass's founder and CEO, Robert Reffkin, to close this out. Robert?
Speaker #2: Thank you, everyone, for joining our call today. I just want to end by thanking all of our employees, all of our agents, for all their incredible hard work, and together we really did something special.
Robert Reffkin: Thank you everyone for joining our call today. I just wanna end by thanking all of our employees, all of our agents for all their incredible hard work. Together, you know, we really did something special. We delivered the strongest Q4 in our history, the strongest year in our history, and I look forward to building upon our strong momentum in 2026 together with the Anywhere team. With that, have a great rest of your day.
Robert Reffkin: Thank you everyone for joining our call today. I just wanna end by thanking all of our employees, all of our agents for all their incredible hard work. Together, you know, we really did something special. We delivered the strongest Q4 in our history, the strongest year in our history, and I look forward to building upon our strong momentum in 2026 together with the Anywhere team. With that, have a great rest of your day.
Speaker #2: We delivered the strongest fourth quarter in our history , the strongest year in our history , and I look forward to building upon our strong momentum in 2026 .
Speaker #2: Together with the Anywhere team. And with that, have a great rest of your day.
Scott Wahlers: That concludes our call today. You may now disconnect.
Scott Wahlers: That concludes our call today. You may now disconnect.