Q4 2025 Copa Holdings SA Earnings Call

February 12, 2026

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to Copa Holdings' Q4 earnings call. During the presentation, all participants will be in listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. At that time, if you have a question, you will have to press star one one on your touchtone phone. As a reminder, this call is being webcast and recorded on 12 February 2026. Now I will turn the conference call over to Daniel Tapia, Director of Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.

Speaker #1: Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. At that time, if you have a question, you will have to press star 11 on your touch-tone phone.

Speaker #1: As a reminder, this call is being webcast and recorded on February 12th, 2026. Now I will turn the conference call over to Daniel Tapia, Director of Investor Relations.

Speaker #1: Sir, you may begin.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Marvin. And welcome, everyone, to our fourth quarter and full-year earnings call. Joining me today are Mr. Pedro Heilbron, CEO of Copa Holdings, and Peter Donkersloot, our CFO.

Daniel Tapia: Thank you, Marvin, and welcome everyone to our Fourth Quarter and Full Year Earnings Call. Joining me today are Mr. Pedro Heilbron, CEO of Copa Holdings, and Peter Donkersloot, our CFO. First, Pedro will go through our fourth quarter and full year highlights, followed by Peter, who will discuss our financial results in more detail. Immediately after, we will open the call for questions from analysts. As a reminder, Copa Holdings financial reports have been prepared in accordance with International Financial Reporting Standards. In today's call, we will discuss certain non-IFRS financial measures. A reconciliation of these measures to comparable IFRS measures can be found in our earnings release, which is available on our website. Our discussion today will also contain forward-looking statements, not limited to historical facts, that reflect the company's current beliefs, expectations, and/or intentions regarding future events and results.

Speaker #2: First, Pedro will go through our fourth quarter and full-year highlights, followed by Peter, who will discuss our financial results in more detail. Immediately after, we will open the call for questions from analysts.

Speaker #2: As a reminder, Copa Holdings' financial reports have been prepared in accordance with international financial reporting standards. In today's call, we will discuss certain non-IFRS financial measures: a reconciliation of these measures to comparable IFRS measures can be found in our earnings release, which is available on our website.

Speaker #2: Our discussion today will also contain forward-looking statements, not limited to historical facts that reflect the company's current beliefs, expectations, and/or intentions regarding future events and results.

Speaker #2: These forward-looking statements involve risk and uncertainties that could cause actual results to defer materially and are based on assumptions subject to change. Many of these are discussed in our annual report filed with the SEC.

Daniel Tapia: These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially, and are based on assumptions subject to change. Many of these are discussed in our annual report filed with the SEC. Now I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. Pedro Heilbron.

Speaker #2: Now I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. Pedro Heilbron.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Daniel. Good morning, and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter earnings call. Before we begin, I want to recognize our more than 8,000 coworkers.

Pedro Heilbron: Thank you, Daniel. Good morning, and thank you for joining us for our Q4 earnings call. Before we begin, I want to recognize our more than 8,000 coworkers. Their hard work and commitment are fundamental to Copa’s strong operational performance and continued leadership in our industry. To them, as always, my sincere appreciation and respect. We delivered another quarter and full year of strong financial and operational results, reaffirming the strength of our business model and the structural advantage of operating the best-positioned and most efficient hub for international travel in the Americas. Our results reflect strong demand trends across the region, continued discipline in our cost execution, and our relentless focus on operational excellence.

Speaker #3: Their hard work and commitment are fundamental to Copa's strong operational performance and To them, as always, my sincere appreciation and respect. We delivered another quarter and full year of strong financial and operational results.

Speaker #3: We affirming the strength of our business model, and the structural advantage of operating the best position and most efficient hub for international travel in the Americas.

Speaker #3: Our results reflect strong demand trends across the region. Continued discipline in our cost execution, and our relentless focus on operational excellence. As a testament to our operational performance, in January, Copa Airlines was recognized by Cirium for the 11th time as the most on-time airline in Latin America in 2025.

Pedro Heilbron: As a testament to our operational performance, in January, Copa Airlines was recognized by Cirium for the 11th time as the most on-time airline in Latin America in 2025, with an on-time performance of 90.75%, the highest of any carrier in the Americas and the second best in the world. Once again, I want to recognize our Copa team. Without their commitment and dedication, it would not be possible to consistently deliver this level of excellence, which our customers expect from us. Now I'll go over our Q4 highlights. We increased capacity by 9.9% year-over-year, while passenger traffic increased by 10.1%. As a result, our load factor increased 0.2 percentage points to 86.4%. RASM came in at $0.113, flat versus Q4 2024.

Speaker #3: With an on-time performance of 90.75%, the highest of any carrier in the Americas, and the second best in the world. Once again, I want to recognize our Copa team.

Speaker #3: Without their commitment and dedication, it would not be possible to consistently deliver this level of excellence, which our customers expect from us. Now, I'll go over our fourth quarter highlights.

Speaker #3: We increased capacity by 9.9% year over year, while passenger traffic increased by 10.1%. As a result, our load factor increased 0.2 percentage points to 86.4%.

Speaker #3: RASM came in at 11.3 cents, flat versus four-quarter 24. We reported CASM of 8.8 cents, and an ex-fuel CASM of 5.9 cents. A 1.6% and 0.7% year over year increase.

Pedro Heilbron: We reported CASM of 8.8 cents and an ex-fuel CASM of 5.9 cents, a 1.6% and 0.7% year-over-year increase, respectively. Excluding a $7.2 million non-cash adjustment to the provision for future lease return obligations, ex-fuel CASM for the quarter would have been 5.8 cents. Operating margin came in at 21.8%. Excluding the non-cash maintenance adjustment, we would have, we would have reported an operating margin of 22.5%. Turning now to the main highlights for the full year 2025. Capacity in ASMs grew 7.8% year-over-year, while passenger traffic measured in RPMs increased by 8.6%. As a result, our load factor increased 0.7 percentage points to 87%. Unit revenues, or RASM, decreased 2.6% to 11.2 cents.

Speaker #3: Respectively, excluding a $7.2 million non-cash adjustment to the provision for future lease return obligations, ex-fuel CASM for the quarter would have been 5.8 cents.

Speaker #3: Operating margin came in at 21.8%. Excluding the non-cash maintenance adjustment, we would have reported an operating margin of 22.5%. Turning now to the main highlights for the full year 2025.

Speaker #3: Capacity in ASMs grew 7.8% year over year, while passenger traffic measured in RPMs increased by 8.6%. As a result, our load factor increased 0.7 percentage points to 87%.

Speaker #3: Unit revenues, or RASM, decreased 2.6% to 11.2 cents. Unit cost, or CASM, decreased 3.6% to 8.6 cents, and CASM excluding fuel decreased 0.7% to 5.8 cents.

Pedro Heilbron: Unit cost, or CASM, decreased 3.6% to 8.6 cents, and CASM, excluding fuel, decreased 0.7% to 5.8 cents. As mentioned before, we delivered full-year operating margin of 22.6%. Turning now to our network. Between December and January, we started service from our Hub of the Americas in Panama to Los Cabos, Mexico, Puerto Plata and Santiago in the Dominican Republic, Maracaibo in Venezuela, and Salvador Bahia in Brazil, further strengthening our position as the most complete and convenient connecting hub for travel within the Americas. Regarding our fleet, during the quarter, we took delivery of four Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft and ended the year with a total of 125 aircraft.

Speaker #3: And as mentioned before, we delivered full-year operating margin of 22.6%. Turning now to our network, between December and January, we started service from our Hub of the Americas in Panama to Los Cabos, Mexico; Puerto Plata and Santiago in the Dominican Republic; Maracaibo, Venezuela; and Salvador Bahia in Brazil.

Speaker #3: Further strengthening our position as the most complete and convenient connecting hub for travel within the Americas. Regarding our fleet, during the quarter we took delivery of four Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft, and ended the year with a total of 125 aircraft.

Speaker #3: Earlier this year, Boeing updated the fleet delivery schedule for 2026, and we now anticipate adding eight Boeing 737 MAX 8 this year, and now expect to end the year with a total fleet of 133 aircraft.

Pedro Heilbron: Earlier this year, Boeing updated the fleet delivery schedule for 2026, and we now anticipate adding 8 Boeing 737 MAX 8s this year, and now expect to end the year with a total fleet of 133 aircraft. We continue to see a strong demand environment across our network as we enter 2026. Booking trends remain solid, supported by healthy travel activity throughout the region, which allow us to leverage the advantages of our Hub of the Americas. The current demand environment gives us confidence in our growth plan and reinforces the foundation for another year of strong margins in 2026.... Consistent with the guidance shared in our earnings release, we expect to grow capacity in the range of 11% to 13% in the year.

Speaker #3: We continue to see a strong demand environment across our network as we enter 2026. Booking trends remain solid, supported by healthy travel activities throughout the region, which allow us to leverage the advantages of our Hub of the Americas.

Speaker #3: The current demand environment gives us confidence in our growth plan and reinforces the foundation for another year of strong margins in 2026. Consistent with the guidance shared in our earnings release, we expect to grow capacity in the range of 11 to 13% in the year.

Pedro Heilbron: As detailed in December at our Investor Day, approximately half of the growth is the full year impact of capacity added in 2025, with an additional 40% coming from added frequencies in existing markets, and the remaining 10% from new destinations. To summarize, we delivered strong fourth quarter and full year results for 2025. Copa was recognized for the 11th time by Cirium as the most on-time airline in Latin America, and second best in the world. We continue to improve our already low and competitive cost structure, which remains a core pillar of our business model. We continue expanding our network, adding frequencies and new cities to our Hub of the Americas, and we're well positioned to deliver another year of profitable growth and strong margins in 2026.

Speaker #3: As detailed in December at our investor day, approximately half of the growth is the full-year impact of capacity added in 2025. With an additional 40% coming from added frequencies in existing markets, and the remaining 10% from new destinations.

Speaker #3: To summarize, we delivered strong fourth quarter and full-year results for 2025. Copa was recognized for the 11th time by Cirium, as the most on-time airline in Latin America.

Speaker #3: And second best in the world. We continue to improve our already low and competitive cost structure, which remains a core pillar of our business model.

Speaker #3: We continue expanding our network, adding frequencies and new cities to our hub of the Americas. And we're well positioned to deliver another year of profitable growth and strong margins in 2026.

Pedro Heilbron: Now I'll turn the call over to Peter, who will walk us through the financials in more detail.

Speaker #3: No turn the call over to Peter, who will walk us through the financials in more detail.

Speaker #1: Thank you, Pedro. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call today. I'd like to start by reinforcing Pedro's recognition of our team's continued dedication to delivering industry-leading results.

Peter Donkersloot: Thank you, Pedro. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call today. I'd like to start by reinforcing Pedro's recognition of our team's continued dedication to delivering industry-leading results. Their commitment remains essential to our strong operational and financial performance. Let me begin by going over the fourth quarter highlights. We reported a net profit for the quarter of $172.6 million, for $4.18 per share, a 5.3% increase in earnings per share compared to Q4 2024. Operating profit came in at $209.6 million, and we delivered an operating margin of 21.8% for the quarter.

Speaker #1: Their commitment remains essential to our strong operational and financial performance. Let me begin by going over the fourth quarter highlights. We reported a net profit for the quarter of $172.6 million, or $4.18 per share.

Speaker #1: A 5.3% increase in earnings per share compared to the fourth quarter of 2024. Operating profit came in at $209.6 million, and we delivered an operating margin of 21.8% for the quarter.

Speaker #1: I would like to highlight that our fourth quarter results include a $7.2 million non-cash adjustment in the maintenance, material, and repairs line related to the provision for future lease aircraft return obligation.

Peter Donkersloot: I would like to highlight that our Q4 results include a $7.2 million non-cash adjustment in the maintenance, material, and repairs line, related to the provision for future leased aircraft return obligation. This adjustment was driven by a reduction in the discount rate used to calculate the present value of expected end-of-lease costs, as the applicable reference rate declined during the period. Additionally, during the quarter, we reported a foreign currency loss of $6 million, mainly related as a result of the devaluation of the Brazilian real, which has since recovered in early 2026.

Speaker #1: This adjustment was driven by a reduction in the discount rate used to calculate the present value of expected end-of-lease costs, as the applicable reference rate declined during the period.

Speaker #1: Additionally, during the quarter, we reported a foreign currency loss of $6 million, mainly related as a result of the devaluation of the Brazil real, which has since recovered in early 2026.

Peter Donkersloot: Excluding these two items, we would have reported a net profit for the quarter of $184.1 million, or $4.46 per share, and we would have reported an operating profit of $216.8 million and an operating margin of 22.5%. With regards to our costs for the quarter, unit costs for CASM decreased 1.6% year-over-year to 8.8 cents, and CASM, excluding fuel, increased 0.7% year-over-year to 5.9 cents. Excluding the non-cash maintenance-related adjustment, we would have reported an ex-fuel CASM of 5.8 cents, flat year-over-year. Moving on to our full year 2025 financial highlights.

Speaker #1: Excluding these two items, we would have reported a net profit for the quarter of $184.1 million, or $4.46 per share. And we would have reported an operating profit of $216.8 million, and an operating margin of 22.5%.

Speaker #1: With regards to our cost for the quarter, unit cost, or CASM, decreased 1.6% year-over-year to 8.8 cents, and CASM excluding fuel increased 0.7% year-over-year to 5.9 cents.

Speaker #1: Excluding the non-cash maintenance-related adjustment, we would have reported an ex-fuel CASM of 5.8 cents, flat year over year. Moving on to our full-year 2025 financial highlights, we reported a net profit of $671.6 million, or $16.28 per share, which represented an 11.9% year-over-year increase in earnings per share.

Peter Donkersloot: We reported a net profit of $671.6 million, or $16.28 per share, which represented an 11.9% year-over-year increase in earnings per share. Operating income reached $819 million, 8.8% higher year-over-year. Operating margins came in at 22.6%, 0.8 percentage points higher than in 2024. Our consistent delivery of industry-leading operating margins underscores the strength of our business model and disciplined execution. Now, I'd like to spend some time discussing our balance sheet and liquidity. As of the end of Q4, total cash, short-term, and long-term investments stood at $1.6 billion, representing 44% of last twelve-month revenues.

Speaker #1: Operating income reached $819 million, 8.8% higher year over year. Operating margins came in at 22.6%, 0.8 percentage points higher than in 2024. Our consistent delivery of industry-leading operating margins underscores the strength of our business model and discipline execution.

Speaker #1: Now, I'd like to spend some time discussing the balance sheet and liquidity. As of the end of the fourth quarter, total cash, short-term, and long-term investments stood at $1.6 billion, representing 44% of last 12 month's revenues.

Speaker #1: Further demonstrating our financial strength and flexibility, we also have approximately $500 million in pre-delivery deposits and we currently have $47 unencumbered aircraft in our fleet.

Peter Donkersloot: Further demonstrating our financial strength and flexibility, we also have approximately $500 million in pre-delivery deposits, and we currently have 47 unencumbered aircraft in our fleet. Total debt stood at $2.3 billion, and we ended the quarter with an adjusted net debt to EBITDA ratio of 0.6 times, reflecting our strong financial position. I'd like to highlight that our average cost of debt, comprised solely of aircraft-related financing, remains at a highly competitive at 3.6%. Turning now to return of value to our shareholders. I am pleased to announce that for 2026, the board of directors has approved a quarterly dividend payment of $1.71 per share to be paid in March, June, September, and December, subject to board ratification each quarter.

Speaker #1: Total debt stood at $2.3 billion, and we ended the quarter with an adjusted net debt-to-EBITDA ratio of 0.6 times, reflecting our strong financial position.

Speaker #1: I'd like to highlight that our average cost of debt, comprised solely of aircraft-related financing, remains highly competitive at 3.6%. Turning now to return of value to our shareholders, I am pleased to announce that for 2026, the board of directors has approved a quarterly dividend payment of $1.71 per share to be paid in March, June, September, and December, subject to board ratification each quarter.

Speaker #1: The first quarterly payment will be made on March 13 to all shareholders of record as of February 27. outlook, we can provide the following guidance for the full-year 2026.

Peter Donkersloot: The first quarterly payment will be made on 13 March to all shareholders of record as of 27 February. Finally, turning to our outlook, we can provide the following guidance for the full year 2026. We expect to increase our capacity in ASMs within a range of 11 to 13% year-over-year. As Pedro shared earlier, around 90% of this growth comes from the full year impact of capacity added in 2025 in additional frequencies in existing markets.

Speaker #1: We expect to increase our capacity in ASMs within a range of 11% to 13% year over year. And as Pedro shared earlier, this comes from the full-year impact of capacity added in 2025 and additional frequencies in existing markets.

Pedro Heilbron: ... and we expect to deliver an operating margin within the range of 22 to 24%. We are basing our outlooks on the following assumptions: a load factor of approximately 87%, unit revenues of approximately 11.2 cents, CASM ex-fuel of approximately 5.7 cents, consistent with our long-term target of delivering a CASM ex-fuel of 5.6 cents by 2028, and we're expecting an all-in fuel price of $2.50 per gallon. Thank you, and we'll now open the call from questions from the analysts.

Peter Donkersloot: ... and we expect to deliver an operating margin within the range of 22 to 24%. We are basing our outlooks on the following assumptions: a load factor of approximately 87%, unit revenues of approximately 11.2 cents, CASM ex-fuel of approximately 5.7 cents, consistent with our long-term target of delivering a CASM ex-fuel of 5.6 cents by 2028, and we're expecting an all-in fuel price of $2.50 per gallon. Thank you, and we'll now open the call from questions from the analysts.

Speaker #1: And we expect to deliver an operating margin within the range of 22 to 24 percent. We are basing our outlooks on the following assumptions.

Speaker #1: A load factor of approximately 87%, unit revenues of approximately 11.2 cents, CASM ex-fuel of approximately 5.7 cents, consistent with our long-term target of delivering a CASM ex-fuel of 5.6 cents by 2028.

Speaker #1: And we're expecting an all-in fuel price of $2.50 per gallon. Thank you, and we'll now open the call for questions from the analysts.

Speaker #2: Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct a question-and-answer session. As a reminder to ask the question, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced.

Operator: Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Savi Syth of Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Speaker #2: To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.

Speaker #2: In our first question concerning the line of savvy says of Raymond James, it line is now open.

Savi Syth: Hey, good morning. Just wondering if you could, you know, with the developments in Venezuela, you know, just talk about if there was any demand impact in the region and then, you know, what your service there is and kind of the view for that.

Speaker #3: Hey, good morning. Just wondering if you could, with the developments in Venezuela, just talk about if there was any demand impact in the region and then what your service there is and kind of the view for that.

Pedro Heilbron: Yeah. Okay. So, hi, Savi. We're back flying to Venezuela, of course, and actually, we only exited the market for a short period. We are flying twice daily to Caracas, and we're also flying to Maracaibo, which is almost daily, a little bit less than daily. Before we had to stop flying to Venezuela last year, we were serving five cities, and we expect to go back to those cities gradually. It won't happen right away, but we'll be adding capacity throughout 2026.

Speaker #4: Okay. So hi, Savvy. We're back flying to Venezuela, of course. And actually, we only exited the market for a short period. We are flying twice daily to Caracas.

Speaker #4: And we're also flying to Maracaibo. Which is almost daily, a little bit less than daily. Before we had to stop flying to Venezuela last year, we were serving five cities.

Speaker #4: And we expect to go back to those cities gradually. It won't happen right away, but we'll be adding capacity through all the 2026.

Savi Syth: That's helpful. And if I might, you know, you mentioned, you know, announced offering Wi-Fi. Have you chosen a provider? And, you know, is that, you're gonna be, is that for paid Wi-Fi or free, or any kind of, thoughts on, on how you provide the Wi-Fi service?

Speaker #3: That's helpful. And if I might, you mentioned announced offering Wi-Fi. Have you chosen a provider and is that going to be is that for a paid Wi-Fi or free or any kind of thoughts on how you provide the Wi-Fi service?

Pedro Heilbron: Yes, we have chosen a provider. We haven't made it public yet. We'll do so, I think, in April, end of April. We'll make it public. But we are confident that our product is gonna satisfy all the needs and expectations of our clients.

Speaker #4: Yes. We have chosen a provider. We haven't made it public yet. We'll do so I think in April, end of April. We'll make it public, but we are confident that our product is going to satisfy all the needs and expectations of our clients.

Savi Syth: Very helpful. Thanks, looking forward to it.

Speaker #3: Very helpful. Thanks. Looking forward to it.

Speaker #2: Thank you. One moment for our next question. In our next question concerning the line of Duane Finnenworth of Evercore S.I., it line is now open.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Duane Pfennigwerth: Hey, hey, good morning. I wanted to ask you about stronger local currencies. You know, currencies move, maybe people don't feel it right away, but over time, you know, purchasing power improves and you might see some demand pickup in relation to that in some of the markets that you serve. So I wonder, are you seeing any early improvement from stronger local currencies in some of your markets?

Speaker #5: Hey, good morning. I wanted to ask you about stronger local currencies currencies move, maybe people don't feel it right away, but over time, purchasing power improves and you might see some demand pick up in relation to that in some of the markets that you serve.

Speaker #5: So, I wonder, are you seeing any early improvement from stronger local currencies in some of your markets?

Pedro Heilbron: Correct, yes. So, yeah, two answers to that, and we've talked about this before in previous calls, and we've always said, and it holds true today, that we do better when currencies are stronger in South America, in particular. And yes, we're seeing improved demand and better yields as a result of the stronger currencies right now.

Speaker #4: All right. Yeah. So yeah, two answers to that. And we've talked about this before in previous calls. And we've always said, and it holds true today, that we do better when currencies are stronger in South America, in particular.

Speaker #4: And yes, we're seeing improved demand and better yields as a result of the stronger currencies right now.

Speaker #5: Okay. And then maybe just as a follow-up with respect to your full-year guidance, which I think assumes flatish unit revenue, is that what you're seeing now or are you starting the year stronger than flatish?

Duane Pfennigwerth: Okay. And then maybe just as a follow-up, with respect to your full year guidance, which I think assumes flattish unit revenue, is, is that what you're seeing now, or are you starting the year, you know, stronger than flattish?

Speaker #4: Well, we are driving for the full year. And the first quarter is usually a strong quarter. The first and third I mean, all of our four quarters are strong, of course.

Pedro Heilbron: Well, we are guiding for the full year, and Q1 is usually a strong quarter. Q1 and Q3, I mean, all of our four quarters are strong, of course. We don't have the huge seasonal swings. But Q1 and Q3 are usually the strongest, and Q1 lately has been the strongest quarter. So of course, we're seeing stronger numbers, but we're guiding for the full year, and it's really early. So we're standing by our RASM guidance, and we're also adding, you know, double-digit capacity this year, so we take that into account also.

Speaker #4: We have we don't have the huge seasonal swings. But quarter one and quarter three are usually the strongest. And quarter one lately has been the strongest quarter.

Speaker #4: So of course, we're seeing stronger numbers. But we're guiding for the full year. And it's really early. So we are standing by our RASM guidance.

Speaker #4: And we're also adding double-digit capacity this year, so we take that into account also.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

Duane Pfennigwerth: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question concerning the line of Gilman Mendez of J.P. Morgan, it line is now open.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Guilherme Mendes of JP Morgan. Your line is now open.

Guilherme Mendes: Yes, thank you. Hi, Pedro, Peter, and Daniel. Thanks for taking my question. I have a follow-up on the RASM guidance. We were positively surprised to see the flattish numbers, despite of the increase in capacity and the more appreciated local currencies. Pedro, do you mind sharing more details on what's behind that assumption? For example-

Speaker #6: Yes. Thank you. Hi, Pedro, Peter, Daniela. Thanks for taking my question. I have a follow-up on the RASM guidance. We were possibly surprised to see the flatish numbers despite the increase in capacity.

Speaker #6: And the more appreciated local currencies. Pedro, do you mind sharing more details on what's behind that assumption? For example.

Speaker #4: Yeah. It's a few things. Of course, we're confident on our demand outlook. Right now, and that is behind our RASM guidance. But also, there are a few other factors.

Pedro Heilbron: Yeah. It's a few things. Of course, we're confident on our demand outlook right now, and that is behind our RASM guidance. But also there are a few other factors. One is that 50% of that ASM growth in 2026 is the full year effect of our growth in 2025. So that has already spooled up most of it. Another 40% is new frequencies, which are gonna go mostly, or all of it, in markets where we need additional capacity. And we need to keep in mind also that we've been catching up in terms of Boeing deliveries. Now we're getting the deliveries that we need and that have been promised.

Speaker #4: One is that 50% of that ASM growth in 2026 is the full-year effect of our growth in 2025. So that has already spooled up most of it.

Speaker #4: Another 40% is new frequencies, which are going to go mostly, or all of it, in markets where we need additional capacity. And we need to keep in mind also that we've been catching up in terms of Boeing deliveries.

Speaker #4: Now we're getting the deliveries that we need and that have been promised. But in previous years, in particular, in 2024 and 2023, we were behind quite a bit in deliveries.

Pedro Heilbron: But in previous years, in particular in 2024 and 2023, we were behind quite a bit in deliveries. So we also had some catch up to do in markets that, in many cases, are unique to us, and we were not able to deploy enough capacity.

Speaker #4: So we also had some catch-up to do in markets that in many cases are unique to us and where we were not able to deploy enough capacity.

Speaker #2: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question concerning the line of Philippine Nielsen of S.A. it line is now open. Philippine Nielsen, your line is now open.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Felipe Nielsen of Citi. Your line is now open. Felipe Nielsen, your line is now open.

Felipe Nielsen: Hey, hello, guys. Sorry, I was on mute. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to explore in a little more detail the guidance on the cost side. Remember, in Q3, you guys were CASM ex fuel between 5.7 and 5.8, and now you're assuming a 5.7 cents in the guidance. Just wondering how, if there are any factors that made you a little more optimistic about targeting the lower range of the previous guidance? And how do you see this CASM ex evolving throughout the year?

Speaker #6: Hey. Hello, guys. Sorry, I was on mute. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to explore in a little more detail the guidance on the cost side.

Speaker #6: I remember in the third quarter, you guided for Kazimex fuel between 5.7 and 5.8, and now you're assuming 5.7 cents in the guidance.

Speaker #6: Just wondering if there are any factors that made you a little more optimistic about targeting the lower range of the previous guidance and how do you see this Kazimex evolving throughout the year?

Speaker #4: Thank you. Thank you, Felipe. This is Peter Heil. So for 2025, we reported a Kazimex fuel of 5.8. But of course, we report to one decimal.

Pedro Heilbron: Thank you. Thank you, Felipe. This is Pedro now. So, for 2025, we reported a CASM ex-fuel of 5.8, but of course, we reported one decimal. When you look at the full number and you add a couple of decimals, you see we would be close to the middle of the range between 5.7 and 5.8. So that also gives us confidence for the 5.7. And we have a lot of initiatives, some going on and some new initiatives, like we talked about, the full year effect of the sales and distribution that still has some extra savings to come in. We got a full year effect of some densification projects that are going in. We got a growth, 11 to 13 percent growth in supplements like the fixed cost.

Speaker #4: When you look at the full number and you add a couple of decimals, you see we would be close to the middle of the range between 5.7 and 5.8.

Speaker #4: So that also gives us confidence for the 5.7. And we have a lot of initiatives. Some going on and some new initiatives. Like we talked about the full-year effect of the sales and distribution that still has some extra savings to come in.

Speaker #4: We got a full-year effect of some densification projects that are going in. We got growth, 11 to 30 percent growth, if something is like with the fixed cost.

Speaker #4: And we also have new initiatives that we're working on. And despite the fact that none of them make the headlines, the combinations of all these initiatives do add a couple of additional points.

Pedro Heilbron: We also have new initiatives that we're working on, and despite the fact that none of them make the headlines, the combinations of all these initiatives do add a couple of additional points. So I would say, what's embedded in the guidance is all those initiatives. It's slightly offset by some inflations and some effects, headwinds that we're seeing.

Speaker #4: So I would say what's embedded in the guidance is all those initiatives, slightly offset by some inflation and some FX headwinds that we're seeing.

Speaker #6: Great. And just one follow-up. I just wanted to hear a little more from you how do you see capacity evolving on a quarter-by-quarter basis?

Felipe Nielsen: Great. And just want to follow up. I just wanted to hear a little more from you. How do you see capacity evolving on a quarter-by-quarter basis? We know that there's some carry from the deliveries that you took late last year. Just wondering how, if we should see stronger growth in the first half of the year and then moderating in second half. Maybe if you give a little color on that thing.

Speaker #6: We know that there's some carry from the deliveries that you took late last year. Just wondering if we should see stronger growth in the first half of the year and then moderating in the second half, maybe if you give a little comment on that.

Pedro Heilbron: Yes, you're right. As most of the 50% of the capacity comes from full year effect of last year's deliveries and service we launched. There it is, it is slightly front-loaded, so we are going to see a being more above the range in the first half and then slightly on the lower end of the range on the second half.

Speaker #4: Yes. You're right. As most of the 50% of the capacity comes from full-year effect of last year's deliveries and service we launched, there is slightly front-loaded.

Speaker #4: So we are going to see being more above the range in the first half, and then slightly on the lower end of the range in the second half.

Felipe Nielsen: Okay. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Okay. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question concerning the line of Michael Lindenberg of Deutsche Bank, it line is now open.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Michael Linenberg: Yeah. Pedro, just on the Venezuela service, when you listed the markets, does that actually include Wingo? And I have sort of a question tied to Wingo on how you see that business this year. Is it sort of steady on the fleet size, or is there potential growth in 2026 at Wingo?

Speaker #7: Oh, yeah. I'm Pedro. Just on the Venezuela service, when you listed the markets, does that actually include Wingo? And I have sort of a question tied to Wingo on how you see that business this year.

Speaker #7: Is it sort of steady on the fleet size or is there potential growth in 2026 at Wingo?

Pedro Heilbron: Okay. So, so sorry for that, and sorry, sorry to our Wingo coworkers. I left Wingo out. Wingo, Wingo has gone back in with their own 737 daily frequencies from Bogotá to Caracas, and they'll be implementing restarting Medellín to Caracas in the very near future. So no, I did not include Wingo. Wingo received a 10th 737-800 in the second half of last year. And then they went through a number of C checks, so they had to use that aircraft as backup for the C checks. So we'll see the impact of their 10th aircraft this year. But otherwise, it's stable. Wingo won't be growing much this year, and they'll continue in that same path we saw last year.

Speaker #4: Okay. So sorry for that. And sorry to our Wingo coworkers. I left Wingo out. Wingo has gone back in with their own seven daily frequencies from Bogotá to Caracas.

Speaker #4: And they'll be implementing restarting Medellín to Caracas in the very near future. So no, I did not include Wingo. Wingo received a 10th 737-800 in the second half of last year.

Speaker #4: And then they went through a number of sea checks, so they had to use that aircraft as backup for the sea checks. So we'll see the impact of their tenth aircraft this year.

Speaker #4: But otherwise, it's stable. Wingo won't be growing much this year, and they'll continue on that same path we saw last year.

Michael Linenberg: ... Great. And then just a quick second one here, Pedro. You know, I know that, you know, Cuba is not the biggest market for you, but you've always had long-standing service there. We're seeing a lot of international carriers either cut the service or maybe being forced to make tech stops. Can you do you have the ability to fly in with enough fuel from Panama City, so you do not have to make a tech stop on a round-trip flight to Cuba? Where are you on that? Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker #7: Great. And then just a quick second one here, Pedro, I know that Cuba is not the biggest market for you, but you've always had long-standing service there.

Speaker #7: We're seeing a lot of international carriers, either cut the service or maybe being forced to make tech stops. Can you do you have the ability to fly in with enough fuel from Panama City so you do not have to make a tech stop on a round-trip flight to Cuba?

Speaker #7: Where are you on that? Thanks for taking my questions.

Pedro Heilbron: Yeah. Thank you, Mike. Given that Panama is sea level, and the distance from here to Cuba, to Havana, well, we fly to two cities, but mostly to Havana. We can tanker in Panama and not take any fuel in Cuba, and that's what we're doing with a minimal impact to our passenger capacity. So we do have to reduce the number of passengers, but very little. I think it's by 10, 10 or 15, something like that, passengers. And then we're holding back from sending belly cargo. So those are the two things, the two adjustments to be able to tanker in Panama. Then Wingo, I won't miss Wingo this time.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Thank you, Mike. Given that Panama is sea level, and the distance from here to Cuba, to Havana, well, we try to do two cities, but mostly to Havana.

Speaker #4: We can tanker in Panama. And not take any fuel in Cuba. And that's what we're doing. With a minimal impact to our passenger capacity.

Speaker #4: So we do have to reduce the number of passengers, but very little. I think it's by 10 or 15, something like that, passengers. And then we're holding back from sending belly cargo.

Speaker #4: So those are the two things. The two adjustments to be able to tanker in Panama. Then Wingo, I won't miss Wingo this time. Wingo flies from Bogotá to Havana.

Pedro Heilbron: Wingo flies from Bogotá to Havana, and they need to make a tech stop somewhere in Colombia, in Barranquilla, which is sea level, and that's because Bogotá is hot and high, so they make a stop in Barranquilla, sea level.

Speaker #4: And they need to make a tech stop somewhere in Colombia, in Barranquilla, which is at sea level. And that's because Bogotá is hot and high.

Speaker #4: So they make a stop in Barranquilla at sea level.

Speaker #7: Okay. Okay. Thanks for that.

Michael Linenberg: Okay. Okay, thanks for that.

Speaker #2: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question concerning the line of Rafael Seminale of UBS BB.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Rafael Seminari of UBS BB.

Speaker #6: Hello, and thanks for taking my question. It's a simple question regarding the shared agreement with Volaris. I wanted to know if the partnership remains with the potential deal between Volaris and Viva.

Rafael Simonetti: Hello, and thanks for taking my question. It's a simple question, regarding the share with Volaris. I wanted to know if the partnership remains with the potential deal between Volaris and Viva. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Thank you.

Pedro Heilbron: Yes, well, our code share with Volaris started in November. So still spooling up, and we haven't really addressed the Volaris-Viva merger. At least I'm not aware that we have addressed that. We expect the code share to continue. And in any case, it's not going to be a significant part of our business.

Speaker #4: Yes. Well, our codeshare with Volaris started in November, so it's still spooling up. And we haven't really addressed the Volaris-Viva merger—at least I'm not aware that we have addressed that.

Speaker #4: We expect the code share to continue. And in any case, it's not going to be a significant part of our business.

Rafael Simonetti: Makes sense. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Makes sense. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Daniel McKenzie of Seaport Global. Your line is now open.

Speaker #2: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question concerning the line of Daniel McKinsey of Seaport Global. Your line is now open.

Speaker #8: Oh, hey, guys. Thanks for the time here. Pedro, I'm wondering if you can provide some partner perspective. So either the percent of revenue or the volume of passengers from your partners in 2025.

Daniel McKenzie: Oh, hey, guys. Thanks for the time here. Pedro, I'm wondering if you can provide some partner perspective. So either the percent of revenue or the volume of passengers from your partners in 2025, you know, versus what it was, say, pre-pandemic. And, you know, what I'm trying to get at is how big a piece of the revenue story are the portfolio of partners? You know, is it more than 10%, less than 10%? Anything you can share.

Speaker #8: Versus what it was, say, pre-pandemic. And what I'm trying to get at is, how big a piece of the revenue story are the portfolio of partners?

Speaker #8: Is it more than 10%, less than 10%? Anything you can share?

Speaker #4: Yeah, that's not a number we share. But what I can say is that our numbers are not above pre-pandemic. If anything, they're below or slightly below.

Pedro Heilbron: Yeah, that's not a number we share. But what I can say is that our numbers are not above pre-pandemic. If anything, they are below or slightly below. Our main partner, of course, is United. We code share in many US routes, and we're also partners in Star Alliance, but we had a partnership even before that, and that partnership is healthy, is strong, and well, United is doing extremely well themselves, so we know that. But no, the numbers have not changed and have not grown really pre-pandemic. I mean, post-pandemic.

Speaker #4: Our main partner, of course, is United. We code share in many US routes. And we're also partners in Star Alliance. But we had a partnership even before that.

Speaker #4: And that partnership is healthy. It's strong. And well, United is doing extremely well themselves, so we know that. But no, the numbers have not changed.

Speaker #4: Have not grown really pre-pandemic. I mean, post-pandemic.

Daniel McKenzie: Yeah, partner United, definitely a healthy partner. Okay, second question here. Just going back to Venezuela. You know, as you think about the risk-reward of the country as part of the network, and I'm wondering what its size as a percent of overall flying, you know, could ultimately look like, say, in two to three years.

Speaker #8: Yeah. United definitely a healthy partner. Okay. Second question here. Just going back to Venezuela. As you think about the risk-reward of the country as part of the network, and I'm wondering what its size as a percent of overall flying could ultimately look like, say, in two to three years.

Pedro Heilbron: So, you know, of course, we have been born and raised in the middle of Latin America. And so if there's something we know how to do, is how to deal with changing situations, crisis of every kind. We've proven to be very resilient in every market we serve, and I think we were the better airline managing this whole Venezuela crisis that's taking quite a while. And we're also very loyal to the countries and cities we serve, because we're loyal to our passengers, and we understand the importance of the connectivity we provide through the Hub of the Americas in Panama.

Speaker #4: Well, of course, we have been born and raised in the middle of Latin America. So if there's something we know how to do, it's how to deal with changing situations, crises, or every kind.

Speaker #4: We've proven to be very resilient in every market we serve. And I think we were the better airline managing this whole Venezuela crisis that's taken quite a while.

Speaker #4: And we're also very loyal to the countries and cities we serve because we're loyal to our passengers. And we understand the importance of the connectivity we provide through the help of the Americas and Panama.

Pedro Heilbron: Sorry for this promo ad, but we're confident that we're managing capacity the right way, that we understand the market, and that we're gonna be there in the future in a successful way. But along the way, we might need to make adjustments, and that's kind of part of our day-to-day in Latin America, making adjustments. We have enough opportunities to move around capacity. Right now, it's from other markets to Venezuela. Before, it was from Venezuela to other markets, and we have continued returning strong demand, even though we always have to make those adjustments. It's kind of our daily living, and...

Speaker #4: And sorry for this promo ad. But we're confident that we're managing capacity the right way, that we understand the market, and that we're going to be there in the future in a successful way.

Speaker #4: But along the way, we might need to make adjustments. And that's kind of part of our day-to-day in Latin America—making adjustments. And we have enough opportunities to move around capacity.

Speaker #4: Right now, it's from other markets to Venezuela. Before, it was from Venezuela to other markets. And we have continued returning strong demand, even though we always have to make those adjustments.

Speaker #4: It's kind of our daily living. And the team, this is not like I don't have the magic wand. But we have a team that knows how to deal with changing times and changing situations.

Pedro Heilbron: You know, a team, you know, this is not like I don't have the magic wand, but we have a team that knows how to deal with changing times and changing situations.

Jens Spiess: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Very good. Thanks for the time, you guys.

Speaker #8: Yeah, very good. Thanks for the time, you guys.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Dan.

Pedro Heilbron: Thank you, Dan.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes on the line of Pablo Monsede of Barclays. Your line is now open.

Speaker #2: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question concerning the line of Pablo Moncever of Barclays. Your line is now open.

Pablo Monsivais: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Again, on Venezuela, is any of this destination included differently in this year's guidance, or it's just basically business as usual now? Just wanted to understand if perhaps if things improve in Venezuela, we might see some upside there, or probably will have some incremental costs if you're thinking about expanding Venezuela at some point this year. So I just wanted to understand the impact of Venezuela in your guidance on the unit cost.

Speaker #5: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Again, on Venezuela, is any of these destinations included differently in this year's guidance? Or it's just basically business as usual now?

Speaker #5: Just wanted to understand if perhaps you think improving Venezuela, we might see some upside there. Or probably we'll have some incremental costs if you're thinking about expanding Venezuela at some point this year.

Speaker #5: So I just wanted to understand the impact of Venezuela in your guidance on the unit cost and revenue. Thank you.

Pedro Heilbron: Yeah.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Thank you, Pablo. It's not material. I mean, it's we're not guiding to Venezuela changing our results. There won't be any material changes either way.

Pablo Monsivais: Thank you.

Pedro Heilbron: Yes, thank you, Pablo. But it's not material. I mean, we're not guiding to Venezuela changing our results. It's--there won't be any material changes either way. I mean, there could be upside, of course, but not what we're expecting right now. We're expecting our service to Venezuela to be very similar to the rest of the things we do throughout our network. And if we grow there or we grow in another market, it won't change our guidance in a significant way.

Speaker #4: I mean, there could be upside, of course. But not what we're expecting right now. We're expecting our service to Venezuela to be very similar to the rest of the things we do throughout our network.

Speaker #4: And if we grow there or we grow in another market, it won't change our guidance in a significant way.

Pablo Monsivais: Perfect. And if I can add one follow-up, just out of curiosity, have you seen any interesting trends on the World Cup this year for the summer?

Speaker #8: Perfect. And if I can add one follow-up, just out of curiosity, have you seen any interesting trends on the World Cup this year for the summer?

Speaker #4: Yeah. Well, that's an interesting topic. Because World Cups in our region don't happen even every four years. So demand patterns are going to change due to the World Cup.

Pedro Heilbron: Yeah. Well, that's an interesting topic, because, you know, World Cups in our region don't happen even every four years, so demand patterns are gonna change due to the World Cup. And it's gonna be different to what we're used to dealing with. And we're working hard to try to minimize the potential surprises from flights being very full in one direction, maybe not in the other, and then passengers that were gonna vacation in Cancún or Punta Cana, now they're gonna go to the World Cup in the US, Mexico, or Canada. So all of those changing patterns are a challenge to deal with, and we have a team working on that right now. We will fly extra sections to Toronto, where Panama is playing its first two games.

Speaker #4: And it's going to be different from what we're used to dealing with. We're working hard to try to minimize the potential surprises from flights being very full in one direction, maybe not in the other, and then passengers that were going to vacation in Cancun or Punta Cana—now they're going to go to the World Cup in the US, or Mexico, or Canada.

Speaker #4: So all of those changing patterns are a

Speaker #1: A challenge to deal with , and we have a team working on that right now . We will fly extra sections to Toronto , where Panama is playing its first two games .

Pedro Heilbron: This, our third game is in New York. Not sure where we'll play after that. If we qualify and keep on moving, not sure where. Oh, the finals are in New York. So hopefully, hopefully, we'll be there. But, but, we have let's not laugh! You never know.

Speaker #1: Our third game is a in New York , not sure where we'll play after that . If we qualify and keep on moving .

Speaker #1: Not sure where the finals are in New York . So hopefully , hopefully we'll be there . But but we have . Let's not laugh .

Speaker #1: You never know . Okay , so so true .

Pablo Monsivais: That's true. That's true.

Speaker #2: That's true .

Speaker #1: Hey . But of course you know the other teams are the favorites . So I'm not changing that . The favorites are very strong .

Pedro Heilbron: But of course, you know, the other teams are the favorites, so I'm not changing that. The favorites are very strong. So anyway, we will have extra sections, quite a number of extra sections to Toronto. And then we are managing the rest of the network in the best possible way.

Speaker #1: And so anyway , we will have an extra sessions . Quite a number of extra sections to Toronto . And then we are managing the rest of the network in the best possible way .

Speaker #1: And hopefully in the final at least , even if it's not Panama , there are two countries that we serve that would be fantastic .

Peter Donkersloot: Hopefully in the final, at least, even if it's not Panama, there are two countries that we serve. That would be fantastic.

Pedro Heilbron: Hopefully in the final, at least, even if it's not Panama, there are two countries that we serve. That would be fantastic.

Speaker #1: There are many . Yeah . So good

Pedro Heilbron: There are many, yeah.

Peter Donkersloot: So good.

Speaker #2: Interesting . Thank you

Pablo Monsivais: Interesting. Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jen Species of Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jen Spees of Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Speaker #4: Hi , everyone . So we have noticed that you are planning to increase capacity in Argentina . And actually reducing a bit of capacity in Colombia So I have a two part question here .

Jens Spiess: Hi, everyone. So we have noticed that you are planning to increase capacity in Argentina, and actually reducing a bit of capacity in Colombia. So I have, like, two-part question here. First, if you could please comment on, like, the demand dynamics you're seeing in both of those countries. I think you already alluded a bit on Colombia, but also interesting to see what you're seeing in Argentina and how excited you're about those routes and demand in that market. And secondly, considering, like, how nimbly you're allocating capacity, is it maybe fair to assume that all is equal, your load factor guidance is actually conservative? Just putting that out. Thank you.

Speaker #4: First , if you could please comment on like the demand dynamics you're seeing in both of those countries . I think you already alluded a bit on on Colombia , but also interesting to see what you're seeing in in Argentina and how excited you are about those routes .

Speaker #4: And demand in that market . And secondly , considering like how nimbly you allocating capacity is it maybe fair to assume that all else equal your load factor guidance ?

Speaker #4: Actually conservative ? Just putting that out . Thank you

Pedro Heilbron: Okay, I'll start with the second one first, because some team members, especially from the commercial department, are here on the call, and they already feel challenged by our goals. So we think our guidance tends to be real. Our guidance tends to be realistic, and that we're always very close to guidance year in and year out, because we make it realistic, and it's the same guidance that our team has, and a chunk of their compensation is based on us reaching those goals. So everything is well aligned, and for that reason, we need to be realistic. So I would say our guidances are realistic, and when there's upside, it's because there are other external factors that made, you know, tailwinds that make things easier.

Speaker #1: The okay , I'll start with the second one first because some team members , especially from the commercial department , are here on the call and they already feel challenged by by by our goals .

Speaker #1: So , so we think our guidance says tend to be our guidance tends to be realistic and that we are always very close to guidance year in and year out .

Speaker #1: Because we make it , we make it realistic . And it's the same guidance that our team has and a chunk of their of their compensation is based on us reaching those goals .

Speaker #1: So everything is well aligned . And for that reason we need to be realistic . So I would say our guidance are realistic and when there's upside , it's because there are other external factors that that made , you know , tailwinds that may make things easier .

Speaker #1: So once in a while that happens , of course , in terms of Colombia and Argentina , I should say that right now , all of our markets are looking well , a is fine .

Pedro Heilbron: So once in a while, that happens, of course. In terms of Colombia and Argentina, I should say that right now, all of our markets are looking well. Argentina is fine. Of course, it's not as strong as a year ago, because as I mentioned in the previous call, a lot of capacity came in during 2025, but it's still a very strong market. It's still doing well, only that year-over-year, there's a lot more capacity from everyone. But we're doing well in Argentina. We serve a number of cities, our new cities, which started last year, are doing well, too. So, Colombia is also doing okay, too.

Speaker #1: Of course , it's not as strong as a year ago because as we as I mentioned in the previous call , a lot of capacity came in .

Speaker #1: During 2025 , but still a very strong market , still doing well , only that that year over year there's a lot more capacity from from everyone .

Speaker #1: But we're doing well in Argentina . We serve a number of cities . Our new cities , which started last year , are doing well too .

Speaker #1: So , so . And Colombia is also doing okay . Also .

Speaker #4: All right . Perfect . Thank you and congrats on the results . Thank you . Thank you .

Peter Donkersloot: All right, perfect. Thank you. Congrats on the results. Thank you.

Speaker #5: Thank you

Pedro Heilbron: Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ruggiero Raja of Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Rogério Rachall of Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Speaker #6: Hey . Hi , guys . Thanks for the opportunity . I have a couple here First one , you already mentioned that the local currencies have been supporting yields .

Rogério Araújo: Yeah. Hi, guys. Thanks for the opportunity. I have a couple here. First one, you already mentioned that the local currencies have been supporting yields. Is this the only reason why Copa has expectations for a flat RASM, despite of a double-digit capacity expansion? Or in your view, there are other strengths in the region that could explain that or maybe some supply rationality? If you could give some colors on that, that's my first one. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Is this the only reason why Copa has expectations for a flat reason ? Despite of a double digit capacity expansion ? Or in your view , there are other strengths in the region that could explain that .

Speaker #6: Or maybe some supply rationality . If you could give some colors on that . That's my first one . Thank you

Speaker #1: Yeah , the the currency , the potential currency strength or tailwind is not something that we're banking on for the full year . We know the volatility of of our currencies well , of a lot of currencies in in our region .

Pedro Heilbron: Yeah, the potential currency strength or tailwind is not something that we're banking on for the full year. We know the volatility of our currencies, well, of a lot of currencies in our region, and when we put together a growth plan, currencies were not as strong as they are right now. So, no, that's not... It's not only not part of the plan, it could be a windfall, it could be, it's a tailwind right now, but it's not what we're betting on for growth or for having a strong year.

Speaker #1: And when we put together our growth plan , currencies were not as strong as they are right now . So so no that's not that's not it's not only not part of the plan .

Speaker #1: It could be a windfall , could be a tailwind . Right now . But it's not what we're betting on for growth or for having a strong year

Speaker #6: Okay . Perfect . Thank you . And also , it felt to me a little bit challenging on on arriving to the cars next few guidance , looking at my model and playing with the variables So any color you could provide on which line is we could reduce further or that you see more opportunities .

Rogério Araújo: Okay, perfect. Thank you. And also, it felt to me a little bit challenging on arriving to the CASM next few guidance, looking at my model and playing with the variables. So any color you could provide on which lines we could reduce further or that you see more opportunities? Anything you could share here would be greatly appreciated as well. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Anything you could share here would be greatly appreciated as well . Thank you

Peter Donkersloot: Well, thank you. I thank you for the question. This is Pedro again. I would say that, our guidance, what has embedded is, some benefit for the globe. So those lines that are fixed or semi-fixed, will see a better benefit, part of the salary, wages, and benefits, that part that is not operational driven. And we're very disciplined to not grow overhead in the same line that we grow a capacity, so we're gonna see some benefits in there. And, we should be able to see additional benefits in the sales and distribution. So I think if I would call out, I would say those were two particular lines that we could call out right now.

Speaker #1: Thank you I thank you for the question . This is Peter again . I would say that our guidance what has embedded is some benefit for the growth .

Speaker #1: So those lines that are fixed or semi-fixed , we'll see a better benefit . Part of the salary , wages and benefits , that part that is not a operational driven .

Speaker #1: And we're very disciplined to not grow overhead in the same line that we grow a capacity . So we're going to see some benefits in there .

Speaker #1: And we should be able to see additional benefits in the end distribution . So I think if I would call out I would say those are two particular lines that we could call out right now

Speaker #6: Okay . Very clear . Thank you so much

Rogério Araújo: Okay. Very clear. Thank you so much.

Speaker #5: Thank you

Pedro Heilbron: Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank you . Our next question And our next question comes on line of Jeremy Mendez , JP of JP Morgan . Lines now open

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Mendes of JP Morgan. The line is now open.

Speaker #7: Yes . Thank you so much guys for the follow up . I got cut off her question but the second one is regarding the buyback program .

Guilherme Mendes: Yes. Thank you so much, guys, for the follow-up. I got cut off your very first question. But the second one is regarding the buyback program. Pedro, if you could remind us where you are on the buyback program. How much have you executed so far?

Speaker #7: Peter , if you could remind us where you are on on on buyback program and how much have you executed so far ?

Speaker #1: Yeah . Thank you . You know , we have the buyback program approved by the board of $200 million . We have executed more or less half of it .

Peter Donkersloot: Yeah. Thank you, Jeremy. Since you know we have the buyback program approved by the board of $200 million, we have executed more or less half of it, and we have the other half remaining open, no end dates in place, and whenever we do finalize it, we ask for a new one.

Speaker #1: And we have the other half remaining open . No end dates in place . And whenever we do finalize it , we ask for a new one .

Speaker #7: Perfect . Thank you so much

Guilherme Mendes: Perfect. Thank you so much.

Speaker #3: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our last question comes from the line of Alberto Valero of UBS. Your line is now open.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our last question comes from the line of Alberto Valero of UBS. Your line is now open.

Speaker #8: I .

Alberto Valerio: Hi, Pedro and Peter. Thank you for taking my question. My question comes from Brazil. Here, we heard that there is a project to suspend Resolution 400 in Brazil, which would be good for the airlines in terms of lawsuits from the consumers to the airline. I would like to see if you already see any positive impact on the liabilities of Copa with the Brazilian consumers, and if you get approval of Resolution 400, what we can see in terms of upside to the future? Thank you.

Speaker #6: Pedro and Peter , thank you for taking my question . My question comes from Brazil . Here we we heard that there is a project to suspend the the the law 400 in Brazil , which would be good for the airlines in terms of suits from the consumers to , to the airline .

Speaker #6: Would you like to see if you already see any positive impact on the liabilities of Copa with the Brazilian consumers And if you get approval , this resolution 400 , what we can see in terms of upside to to the future .

Speaker #6: Thank you

Speaker #5: Yeah . The thank you . So the the impact going to be on cost . Of course . And and a many may not be aware of this but I think something close to like 90% of , of passenger consumer lawsuits in the world come out of Brazil .

Pedro Heilbron: Yeah. Thanks, Alberto. The impact is gonna be on cost, of course. And many might not be aware of this, but I think something close to like 90% of passenger/consumer lawsuits in the world come out of Brazil. And so that's gonna be welcomed by the industry, because the numbers just don't make sense and are not fair to airlines or to the reality of our industry. So there will be cost savings from that, if it does pass.

Speaker #5: And , and so that's going to be welcomed by , by the industry because the numbers just don't make sense . And are not fair to airlines or to the reality of our industry .

Speaker #5: So, there will be cost savings from that, if it does pass.

Alberto Valerio: Thank you, Pedro. If I'm not mistaken, it's already suspended, isn't it? You are not being charged for the lawsuits since the end of last year. You correct me if you're wrong. You have any impact already from this or not?

Speaker #6: Thank you . Pedro . If you're not mistaken , it's already suspended , isn't it ? You are not being charged for for the lawsuits .

Speaker #6: Since the end of last year , you correct me if you're wrong . You have an impact already from this or not

Speaker #5: Well , we have the impact from the lawsuits . We all have the impact from the lawsuits . So is that I mean , to be transparent , I'm not I'm not , I'm not very familiar with with the specifics of of the law .

Pedro Heilbron: Well, we have the impact from the lawsuits. We all have the impact from the lawsuits. So is that- and to be, I mean, to be transparent, I'm not very familiar with the specifics of-

Alberto Valerio: Me either

Pedro Heilbron: ... of the law, the resolution, and what's gonna change. Of course, I'm aware of it, and it's been discussed, but one of those things that I wanna see it to believe it. So, and it would be a positive. I haven't been very involved in the details of it, but it would be really important for the industry. It will be very positive, and especially it would be fair to the industry. So, and it will result in savings, of course.

Speaker #5: The resolution and what's going to change . Of course , I'm aware of it . And it's been discussed . But one of those things that that I want to see it to believe it .

Speaker #5: So , so , so and it would be , it would be a positive I haven't been very involved in the details of it , but it would be really important for the industry .

Speaker #5: It will be very positive . And especially it would be fair . A to the industry . So , so and it will result in savings , of course

Speaker #6: Fantastic , fantastic . Thank you very much

Alberto Valerio: Fantastic. Fantastic. Thank you very much.

Speaker #5: Thank you .

Pedro Heilbron: Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank you . Thank you . This concludes the question and answer session . I'd like to turn it back to Pedro Heilbron for closing remarks

Guilherme Mendes: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I'll now turn it back to Pedro Heilbron for closing remarks.

Speaker #5: Thank you . So thank you all . This concludes our earnings call . Of course . Thank you for being with us And as always , thank you for your continued support Have a great day

Pedro Heilbron: Thank you. So, thank you, all. This concludes our earnings call. Of course, thank you for being with us, and as always, thank you for your continued support. Have a great day.

Operator: Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect.

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