Q4 2025 Hawaiian Electric Industries Inc Earnings Call

February 27, 2026

Speaker #2: All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during that time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad.

Speaker #2: I will now like to turn the call over to Mateo Garcia, Director of Investor Relations. Mateo, please go ahead. Thank you. Welcome everyone to HEI's fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call.

Mateo Garcia: Thank you. Welcome, everyone, to HEI's Q4 and full year 2025 Earnings Call. Joining me today are Scott Seu, HEI President and CEO; Scott DeGhetto, HEI Executive Vice President and CFO; Shelee Kimura, Hawaiian Electric President and CEO, and other members of senior management. Our earnings release and our presentation for this call are available in the investor relations section of our website. As a reminder, forward-looking statements will be made on today's call. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations can be found in our presentation, our SEC filings, and in the investor relations section of our website. Today's presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial measures, including those referred to as core items. You should refer to the information contained in the slides accompanying today's presentation for definitional information and reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP financial measure.

Speaker #2: Joining me today are Scott Seu, HEI President and CEO; Scott DeGhetto, HEI Executive Vice President and CFO; Shelley Kimura, Hawaiian Electric President and CEO; and other members of senior management.

Speaker #2: Our earnings release and our presentation for this call are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. As a reminder, forward-looking statements will be made on today's call.

Speaker #2: Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations can be found in our presentation, our SEC filings, and in the Investor Relations section of our website.

Speaker #2: Today's presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial measures, including those referred to as core items. You should refer to the information contained in the slides accompanying today's presentation for definitional information and reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP financial measure.

Speaker #2: We will take questions from institutional investors at the end of this call. Individual investors and others can reach out to Investor Relations. Now, Scott Seu will begin with his remarks.

Mateo Garcia: We will take questions from institutional investors at the end of this call. Individual investors and others can reach out to investor relations. Now Scott Seu will begin with his remarks.

Speaker #2: Alohaka ko. Welcome, everyone. For today's call, I'll start with an overview of the important accomplishments we've made over the past year, and touch on our priorities going forward.

Scott W. H. Seu: Aloha kākou. Welcome, everyone. For today's call, I'll start with an overview of the important accomplishments we've made over the past year and touch on our priorities going forward. Scott DeGhetto will walk through our financial results and then open it up for questions. Over the past year, we continued to execute on the priorities we've communicated since the Maui wildfires in 2023, and I'm proud of the progress we've made. We've advanced key initiatives, including progressing the Maui Wildfire tort settlement, pursuing legislative measures that support our communities as we deal with the risk of wildfires, implementing wildfire safety improvements that have reduced the risk of ignition from utility equipment, and laying the groundwork for a successful second multi-year rate period under our performance-based regulation or PBR framework. Our actions to date help ensure our ability to serve and invest in our communities for the long term.

Scott Seu: Aloha kākou. Welcome, everyone. For today's call, I'll start with an overview of the important accomplishments we've made over the past year and touch on our priorities going forward. Scott DeGhetto will walk through our financial results and then open it up for questions. Over the past year, we continued to execute on the priorities we've communicated since the Maui wildfires in 2023, and I'm proud of the progress we've made. We've advanced key initiatives, including progressing the Maui Wildfire tort settlement, pursuing legislative measures that support our communities as we deal with the risk of wildfires, implementing wildfire safety improvements that have reduced the risk of ignition from utility equipment, and laying the groundwork for a successful second multi-year rate period under our performance-based regulation or PBR framework. Our actions to date help ensure our ability to serve and invest in our communities for the long term.

Speaker #2: Scott DeGhetto will walk through our financial results and then open it up for questions. Over the past year, we continue to execute on the priorities we've communicated since the Maui wildfires in 2023.

Speaker #2: And I'm proud of the progress we've made. We've advanced key initiatives, including progressing the Maui wildfire tort settlement, pursuing legislative measures that support our communities as we deal with the risk of wildfires, implementing wildfire safety improvements that have reduced the risk of ignition from utility equipment, and laying the groundwork for a successful second multi-year rate period under our performance-based regulation, or PBR, framework.

Speaker #2: Our actions to date help ensure our ability to serve and invest in our communities for the long term. Last quarter, we discussed the process to obtain final court approval of the Maui wildfire tort settlement.

Scott W. H. Seu: Last quarter, we discussed the process to obtain final court approval of the Maui Wildfire tort settlement. We continue to make good progress in resolving the remaining contingencies to payment. In late December, the Maui Circuit Court granted our motion for summary judgment on the subrogation insurer's direct claims. In January, the court granted final approval of the Class Settlement Agreement and provided a good faith settlement determination. We also received another favorable decision from the Hawaii Supreme Court. As previously disclosed, the subrogation insurers moved to intervene in the class settlement process, and the Maui Circuit Court denied this attempt last June. The insurers appealed, and the appeal was sent to the Hawaii Supreme Court. On 10 February, the court affirmed the lower court's denial of the subrogation insurer's motion to intervene in the class settlement.

Scott Seu: Last quarter, we discussed the process to obtain final court approval of the Maui Wildfire tort settlement. We continue to make good progress in resolving the remaining contingencies to payment. In late December, the Maui Circuit Court granted our motion for summary judgment on the subrogation insurer's direct claims. In January, the court granted final approval of the Class Settlement Agreement and provided a good faith settlement determination. We also received another favorable decision from the Hawaii Supreme Court. As previously disclosed, the subrogation insurers moved to intervene in the class settlement process, and the Maui Circuit Court denied this attempt last June. The insurers appealed, and the appeal was sent to the Hawaii Supreme Court. On 10 February, the court affirmed the lower court's denial of the subrogation insurer's motion to intervene in the class settlement.

Speaker #2: We continue to make good progress in resolving the remaining contingencies to payment. In late December, the Maui Circuit Court granted our motion for summary judgment on the subrogation insurer's direct claims.

Speaker #2: In January, the court granted final approval of the class settlement agreement and provided a good faith settlement determination. We also received another favorable decision from the Hawaii Supreme Court.

Speaker #2: As previously disclosed, the subrogation insurer's move to intervene in the class settlement process was denied by the Maui Circuit Court last June. The insurer appealed, and the appeal was sent to the Hawaii Supreme Court.

Speaker #2: On February 10, the court affirmed the lower court's denial of the subrogation insurer's motion to intervene in the class settlement. In doing so, it made clear that a class settlement transforms an insurer's subrogation rights into lien rights the same way an individual settlement does.

Scott W. H. Seu: In doing so, it made clear that a class settlement transforms an insurer's subrogation rights into lien rights the same way an individual settlement does, which is what the court ruled on a year ago. This decision ends the insurer's efforts to derail the class settlement. Because they lack party status in the class action, the insurers should not be able to file a successful appeal to the final approval of the class agreement previously granted by the Maui Circuit Court. This positive result moves us one step closer toward final court approval of the settlement agreements. In sum, we've continued to work through the administrative steps required to see the settlement through to completion and trigger our first payment. We're also pleased that we've been able to finalize settlements resolving both the shareholder class action and shareholder derivative lawsuits filed in connection with the Maui wildfires.

Scott Seu: In doing so, it made clear that a class settlement transforms an insurer's subrogation rights into lien rights the same way an individual settlement does, which is what the court ruled on a year ago. This decision ends the insurer's efforts to derail the class settlement. Because they lack party status in the class action, the insurers should not be able to file a successful appeal to the final approval of the class agreement previously granted by the Maui Circuit Court. This positive result moves us one step closer toward final court approval of the settlement agreements. In sum, we've continued to work through the administrative steps required to see the settlement through to completion and trigger our first payment. We're also pleased that we've been able to finalize settlements resolving both the shareholder class action and shareholder derivative lawsuits filed in connection with the Maui wildfires.

Speaker #2: Which is what the court ruled on a year ago. This decision ends the insurer's efforts to derail the class settlement, and because they lack party status in the class action, the insurers should not be able to file a successful appeal to the final approval of the class agreement previously granted by the Maui Circuit Court.

Speaker #2: This positive result moves us one step closer toward final court approval of the settlement agreements. In sum, we've continued to work through the administrative steps required to see the settlement through to completion and trigger our first payment.

Speaker #2: We're also pleased that we've been able to finalize settlements resolving both the shareholder class action and shareholder derivative lawsuits filed in connection with the Maui wildfires.

Speaker #2: As disclosed last quarter, in early November, we signed binding term sheets to settle the litigation. In late December and early January, the settlements were finalized and executed.

Scott W. H. Seu: As disclosed last quarter, in early November, we signed binding term sheets to settle the litigation. In late December and early January, the settlements were finalized and executed. The agreements provide for complete resolution of both sets of litigation, with the company's obligations fully funded by insurance proceeds. Turning to legislation, as we've discussed over the past few quarters, Hawaii's historic wildfire legislation, signed into law last July, acknowledges the need for legislative measures to protect our communities and support the financial stability of electric utilities in the face of increasingly severe weather events. The PUC's Wildfire Recovery Fund Study was completed at the end of December, and this was a crucial first step in implementing our state's milestone legislation. Work continues to establish a liability cap, with the PUC rulemaking process expected to take 18 to 24 months. Details around the wildfire fund will be established sometime thereafter.

Scott Seu: As disclosed last quarter, in early November, we signed binding term sheets to settle the litigation. In late December and early January, the settlements were finalized and executed. The agreements provide for complete resolution of both sets of litigation, with the company's obligations fully funded by insurance proceeds. Turning to legislation, as we've discussed over the past few quarters, Hawaii's historic wildfire legislation, signed into law last July, acknowledges the need for legislative measures to protect our communities and support the financial stability of electric utilities in the face of increasingly severe weather events. The PUC's Wildfire Recovery Fund Study was completed at the end of December, and this was a crucial first step in implementing our state's milestone legislation. Work continues to establish a liability cap, with the PUC rulemaking process expected to take 18 to 24 months. Details around the wildfire fund will be established sometime thereafter.

Speaker #2: The agreements provide for complete resolution of both sets of litigation, with the company's obligations fully funded by insurance proceeds. Turning to legislation, as we've discussed over the past few quarters, Hawaii's historic wildfire legislation signed into law last July acknowledges the need for legislative measures to protect our communities and support the financial stability of electric utilities.

Speaker #2: In the face of increasingly severe weather events, the PUC's wildfire fund study was completed at the end of December, and this was a crucial first step in implementing our state's milestone legislation.

Speaker #2: Work continues to establish a liability cap. With the PUC rulemaking process expected to take 18 to 24 months, details around the wildfire fund will be established sometime thereafter.

Speaker #2: The PUC also approved a utility's three-year wildfire safety strategy in late December, concluding that the strategy can be expected to reduce wildfire risk and emphasizing the importance of continuous improvement.

Scott W. H. Seu: The PUC also approved the utility's 3-year Wildfire Safety Strategy in late December, concluding that the strategy can be expected to reduce wildfire risk and emphasizing the importance of continuous improvement. The utility has achieved many of the operational objectives laid out in the strategy ahead of schedule and will continue rapidly advancing the strategy as we progress through 2026. We'll be submitting our next update to the PUC in April. We've also continued to make our company stronger and more resilient through carefully managing our balance sheet. Our successful $500 million utility debt issuance last year, as well as our revolver upsize to $600 million, support our financial flexibility and liquidity as we look toward the elevated capital cycle ahead.

Scott Seu: The PUC also approved the utility's 3-year Wildfire Safety Strategy in late December, concluding that the strategy can be expected to reduce wildfire risk and emphasizing the importance of continuous improvement. The utility has achieved many of the operational objectives laid out in the strategy ahead of schedule and will continue rapidly advancing the strategy as we progress through 2026. We'll be submitting our next update to the PUC in April. We've also continued to make our company stronger and more resilient through carefully managing our balance sheet. Our successful $500 million utility debt issuance last year, as well as our revolver upsize to $600 million, support our financial flexibility and liquidity as we look toward the elevated capital cycle ahead.

Speaker #2: The utility has achieved many of the operational objectives laid out in the strategy ahead of schedule and will continue rapidly advancing the strategy as we progress through 2026.

Speaker #2: We'll be submitting our next update to the PUC in April. We've also continued to make our company stronger and more resilient through carefully managing our balance sheet.

Speaker #2: Our successful $500 million utility debt issuance last year, as well as our revolver upsize to $600 million, support our financial flexibility and liquidity as we look toward the elevated capital cycle ahead.

Speaker #2: We also continue to advance our state's clean energy goals. With the utility reaching a 37% renewable portfolio standard, or RPS, in 2025, we remain on track to meet the 40% by 2030 statutory RPS requirement.

Scott W. H. Seu: We also continue to advance our state's clean energy goals, with the utility reaching a 37% Renewable Portfolio Standard, or RPS, in 2025. We remain on track to meet the 40% by 2030 statutory RPS requirement. Affordability has been a central focus as we've advanced our strategic and operational priorities. Customer bills remain stable in 2025 despite the significant investments we've made in wildfire safety and resilience. The utility continues to offer financial assistance to working families, including providing over $1 million in payment assistance. Turning to the next slide, as we look ahead to our objectives for 2026, we'll continue working to resolve the conditions to payment in the tort litigation settlement agreements. We believe we're in the home stretch of this process, as the only remaining steps are resolving all outstanding appeals.

Scott Seu: We also continue to advance our state's clean energy goals, with the utility reaching a 37% Renewable Portfolio Standard, or RPS, in 2025. We remain on track to meet the 40% by 2030 statutory RPS requirement. Affordability has been a central focus as we've advanced our strategic and operational priorities. Customer bills remain stable in 2025 despite the significant investments we've made in wildfire safety and resilience. The utility continues to offer financial assistance to working families, including providing over $1 million in payment assistance. Turning to the next slide, as we look ahead to our objectives for 2026, we'll continue working to resolve the conditions to payment in the tort litigation settlement agreements. We believe we're in the home stretch of this process, as the only remaining steps are resolving all outstanding appeals.

Speaker #2: Affordability has been an essential focus as we've advanced our strategic and operational priorities. Customer bills remain stable in 2025, despite the significant investments we've made in wildfire safety and resilience.

Speaker #2: The utility continues to offer financial assistance to working families, including providing over $1 million in payment assistance. Turning to the next slide, as we look ahead to our objectives for 2026, we'll continue working to resolve the conditions to payment in the tort litigation settlement agreements.

Speaker #2: We believe we're in the home stretch of this process, as the only remaining steps are resolving all outstanding appeals. This includes resolving the appeal the insurers have taken from the judgments entered in our favor in their direct subrogation actions.

Scott W. H. Seu: This includes resolving the appeal the insurers have taken from the judgments entered in our favor in their direct subrogation actions. Turning to our ongoing rate rebasing, as discussed on our last earnings call, we are pursuing an alternative process that could allow for resetting rates without the time, cost, and resources typically required for a full rate case proceeding. We see this as an opportunity to develop a rate rebasing proposal in a nontraditional manner, consistent with fundamental PBR tenets set forth by the commission and state legislature, encouraging innovation, and honoring a stakeholder-driven process. We plan to submit a joint rebasing proposal with Ulupono Initiative, a PBR working group stakeholder party, by 6 March. We'd also like to address some of the elements that could be improved under our PBR regulatory framework, including our annual inflationary adjustment and Performance Incentive Mechanisms, or PIMs.

Scott Seu: This includes resolving the appeal the insurers have taken from the judgments entered in our favor in their direct subrogation actions. Turning to our ongoing rate rebasing, as discussed on our last earnings call, we are pursuing an alternative process that could allow for resetting rates without the time, cost, and resources typically required for a full rate case proceeding. We see this as an opportunity to develop a rate rebasing proposal in a nontraditional manner, consistent with fundamental PBR tenets set forth by the commission and state legislature, encouraging innovation, and honoring a stakeholder-driven process. We plan to submit a joint rebasing proposal with Ulupono Initiative, a PBR working group stakeholder party, by 6 March. We'd also like to address some of the elements that could be improved under our PBR regulatory framework, including our annual inflationary adjustment and Performance Incentive Mechanisms, or PIMs.

Speaker #2: Turning to our ongoing rate rebasing, as discussed on our last earnings call, we are pursuing an alternative process that could allow for resetting rates without the time, cost, and resources typically required for a full rate case proceeding.

Speaker #2: We see this as an opportunity to develop a rate rebasing proposal in a non-traditional manner, consistent with fundamental PBR tenets set forth by the Commission and state legislature—encouraging innovation and honoring a stakeholder-driven process.

Speaker #2: We plan to submit a joint rebasing proposal with Ulupono Initiative, a PBR Working Group stakeholder party, by March 6th. We'd also like to address some of the elements that could be improved under our PBR regulatory framework, including our annual inflationary adjustment and performance incentive mechanisms, or PIMs.

Speaker #2: This will happen in the process that the PUC has designated as PBR Phase Six. We expect further guidance from the PUC on a schedule for Phase Six after the rebasing proposal is submitted.

Scott W. H. Seu: This will happen in the process that the PUC has designated as PBR Phase 6. We expect further guidance from the PUC on a schedule for Phase 6 after the rebasing proposal is submitted. Affordability remains a central focus as we look ahead toward the commencement of the 2nd multi-year rate period under PBR, especially given the elevated capital investment cycle projected over the next few years. We are pursuing low-cost financing options that would reduce impacts to customers from critical investments required for safety and resilience. In the coming months, we'll be submitting a request to finance Wildfire Safety Strategy CapEx and other infrastructure resilience costs via securitization, which is typically the lowest cost of capital available for these types of investments.

Scott Seu: This will happen in the process that the PUC has designated as PBR Phase 6. We expect further guidance from the PUC on a schedule for Phase 6 after the rebasing proposal is submitted. Affordability remains a central focus as we look ahead toward the commencement of the 2nd multi-year rate period under PBR, especially given the elevated capital investment cycle projected over the next few years. We are pursuing low-cost financing options that would reduce impacts to customers from critical investments required for safety and resilience. In the coming months, we'll be submitting a request to finance Wildfire Safety Strategy CapEx and other infrastructure resilience costs via securitization, which is typically the lowest cost of capital available for these types of investments.

Speaker #2: Affordability remains a central focus as we look ahead toward the commencement of the second multi-year rate period under PBR, especially given the elevated capital investment cycle projected over the next few years.

Speaker #2: We are pursuing low-cost financing options that would reduce impacts to customers from critical investments required for safety and resilience. In the coming months, we'll be submitting a request to finance wildfire safety strategy CAPEX and other infrastructure resilience costs via securitization.

Speaker #2: Which is typically the lowest cost of capital available for these types of investments. In summary, in 2026, we'll continue to execute on our key objectives of advancing the tort settlement and our rate rebasing process, while implementing the wildfire risk reduction measures outlined in our wildfire safety strategy.

Scott W. H. Seu: In summary, in 2026, we'll continue to execute on our key objectives of advancing the torch settlement and our rate rebasing process while implementing the Wildfire Risk Reduction Measures outlined in our Wildfire Safety Strategy. Although much remains to be done, I'm optimistic about the path ahead and proud of what our team has accomplished to date. Finally, we'll be seeing an executive transition at HEI at the end of the quarter. As previously determined by our board of directors in 2024, Scott DeGhetto's term as HEI CFO expires on 1 April, and as a result, Scott will resign effective 2 April. Paul Ito, the current treasurer and CFO of Hawaiian Electric, will resume his prior role as HEI CFO effective 2 April 2026.

Scott Seu: In summary, in 2026, we'll continue to execute on our key objectives of advancing the torch settlement and our rate rebasing process while implementing the Wildfire Risk Reduction Measures outlined in our Wildfire Safety Strategy. Although much remains to be done, I'm optimistic about the path ahead and proud of what our team has accomplished to date. Finally, we'll be seeing an executive transition at HEI at the end of the quarter. As previously determined by our board of directors in 2024, Scott DeGhetto's term as HEI CFO expires on 1 April, and as a result, Scott will resign effective 2 April. Paul Ito, the current treasurer and CFO of Hawaiian Electric, will resume his prior role as HEI CFO effective 2 April 2026.

Speaker #2: Although much remains to be done, I'm optimistic about the path ahead and proud of what our team has accomplished to date. Finally, we'll be seeing an executive transition at HEI at the end of the quarter.

Speaker #2: As previously determined by our board of directors in 2024, Scott DeGhetto's term as HEI CFO expires on April 1. And as a result, Scott will resign effective April 2.

Speaker #2: Paul Eato, the current Treasurer and CFO of Hawaiian Electric, will resume his prior role as HEI CFO, effective April 2, 2026. Scott joined us as our CFO shortly after the Maui wildfires in 2023.

Scott W. H. Seu: Scott joined us as our CFO shortly after the Maui wildfires in 2023, and he's played a crucial role in helping lead our company through the most challenging period we've ever been through. His leadership and expertise have been critical for our success, and I'd like to thank Scott for all that he's done. Even though he'll hand the CFO reins over to Paul come April, Scott won't be too far, as we'll have him support us as our consultant. Again, I thank Scott, and I welcome Paul back to his previous role. Scott DeGhetto, I'll now turn the call over to you.

Scott Seu: Scott joined us as our CFO shortly after the Maui wildfires in 2023, and he's played a crucial role in helping lead our company through the most challenging period we've ever been through. His leadership and expertise have been critical for our success, and I'd like to thank Scott for all that he's done. Even though he'll hand the CFO reins over to Paul come April, Scott won't be too far, as we'll have him support us as our consultant. Again, I thank Scott, and I welcome Paul back to his previous role. Scott DeGhetto, I'll now turn the call over to you.

Speaker #2: And he's played a crucial role in helping lead our company through the most challenging period we've ever been through. His leadership and expertise have been critical for our success.

Speaker #2: And I'd like to thank Scott for all that he's done. And even though he'll hand the CFO reins over to Paul come April, Scott won't be too far, as we'll have him support us as our consultant.

Speaker #2: Again, I thank Scott, and I welcome Paul back to his previous role. Scott DeGhetto, I'll now turn the call over to you. Thank you, Scott.

Scott T. DeGhetto: Thank you, Scott. It's been a pleasure working alongside you and serving this company. Start with our financial results on slide 6. For the full year 2025, we generated net income of $123.1 million, or $0.71 per share, compared to a net loss of approximately $1.4 billion in 2024. The results include $16.5 million of pre-tax Maui wildfire-related expenses, net of insurance recoveries and deferrals. Approximately $12.6 million of that amount was recorded at the utility. Results for the year also include $12.4 million of losses related to the strategic review of Pacific Current. Excluding these items, which we refer to as non-core, consolidated core net income was $149.3 million, or $0.86 per share.

Scott DeGhetto: Thank you, Scott. It's been a pleasure working alongside you and serving this company. Start with our financial results on slide 6. For the full year 2025, we generated net income of $123.1 million, or $0.71 per share, compared to a net loss of approximately $1.4 billion in 2024. The results include $16.5 million of pre-tax Maui wildfire-related expenses, net of insurance recoveries and deferrals. Approximately $12.6 million of that amount was recorded at the utility. Results for the year also include $12.4 million of losses related to the strategic review of Pacific Current. Excluding these items, which we refer to as non-core, consolidated core net income was $149.3 million, or $0.86 per share.

Speaker #2: And it's been a pleasure working alongside you and serving this company. I'll start with our financial results on slide six. For the full year 2025, we generated net income of $123.1 million, or $0.71 per share, compared to a net loss of approximately $1.4 billion in 2024.

Speaker #2: The results include $16.5 million of pre-tax Maui wildfire-related expenses, net of insurance recoveries and deferrals. Approximately $12.6 million of that amount was recorded at the utility.

Speaker #2: Results for the year also include $12.4 million of losses related to the strategic review of Pacific Current. Excluding these items, which we referred to as non-core, consolidated core net income was $149.3 million, or $0.86 per share.

Speaker #2: This compares to core income from continuing operations of $124.3 million, or $0.98 per share, in 2024. Utility core net income for the year was $177.5 million, compared to $180.7 million in 2024.

Scott T. DeGhetto: This compares to core income from continuing operations of $124.3 million, or $0.98 per share in 2024. Utility core net income for the year was $177.5 million compared to $180.7 million in 2024. The decrease was driven by higher O&M expenses, primarily due to previously deferred consulting and legal fees, higher interest expense, higher depreciation, and the recognition of tax credit benefits in the previous year. Holding company core net loss was $28.2 million compared to $56.4 million in 2024. The lower core net loss was driven by lower interest expense due to the lower debt balance following the retirement of holding company debt in April and higher interest income from cash being held on the balance sheet to make the first settlement payment.

Scott DeGhetto: This compares to core income from continuing operations of $124.3 million, or $0.98 per share in 2024. Utility core net income for the year was $177.5 million compared to $180.7 million in 2024. The decrease was driven by higher O&M expenses, primarily due to previously deferred consulting and legal fees, higher interest expense, higher depreciation, and the recognition of tax credit benefits in the previous year. Holding company core net loss was $28.2 million compared to $56.4 million in 2024. The lower core net loss was driven by lower interest expense due to the lower debt balance following the retirement of holding company debt in April and higher interest income from cash being held on the balance sheet to make the first settlement payment.

Speaker #2: The decrease was driven by higher O&M expenses, primarily due to previously deferred consulting and legal fees, higher interest expense, higher depreciation, and the recognition of tax credit benefits in the previous year.

Speaker #2: Holding company core net loss was $28.2 million compared to $56.4 million in 2024. The lower core net loss was driven by lower interest expense due to the lower debt balance following the retirement of holding company debt in April, and higher interest income from cash being held on the balance sheet to make the first settlement payment.

Speaker #2: Turning to the next slide, as of the end of the fourth quarter, the holding company and the utility had approximately $16,486,000,000 of unrestricted cash on hand, respectively.

Scott T. DeGhetto: Turning to the next slide. As of the end of Q4, the holding company and the utility had approximately $16 million and $486 million of unrestricted cash on hand, respectively. The holding company has approximately $530 million in combined liquidity available under its ATM program and credit facility capacity. The utility also has approximately $540 million of liquidity available under its accounts receivable facility and credit facility capacity. Consistent with last quarter, Hawaiian Electric's board of directors approved a $10 million quarterly dividend to HEI for Q4 2025. There have been no changes to our settlement financing plan since what we communicated last quarter.

Scott DeGhetto: Turning to the next slide. As of the end of Q4, the holding company and the utility had approximately $16 million and $486 million of unrestricted cash on hand, respectively. The holding company has approximately $530 million in combined liquidity available under its ATM program and credit facility capacity. The utility also has approximately $540 million of liquidity available under its accounts receivable facility and credit facility capacity. Consistent with last quarter, Hawaiian Electric's board of directors approved a $10 million quarterly dividend to HEI for Q4 2025. There have been no changes to our settlement financing plan since what we communicated last quarter.

Speaker #2: In addition, the holding company has approximately $530 million in combined liquidity available under its ATM program and credit facility capacity. The utility also has approximately $540 million of liquidity available under its accounts receivable facility and credit facility capacity.

Speaker #2: Consistent with last quarter, Hawaiian Electric's board of directors approved a $10 million quarterly dividend to HEI for the fourth quarter of 2025. There have been no changes to our settlement financing plans since what we communicated last quarter.

Speaker #2: We still expect to fund the second settlement payment with debt and/or convertible debt, and expect that payments thereafter will be funded with a mix of debt and equity depending on market conditions.

Scott T. DeGhetto: We still expect to fund the second settlement payment with debt and/or convertible debt and expect that payments thereafter will be funded with a mix of debt and equity, depending on market conditions. As Scott Seu mentioned, outstanding appeals must be resolved before we can make our first $479 million settlement payment, which we now expect to make in the second half of 2026. Turning to the next slide. We still expect 2026 CapEx of $550 to 700 million, in 2027 and 2028 CapEx to increase further to $600 to 800 million and $600 to 850 million, respectively. This level of spend is consistent with our expectations communicated last quarter and is subject to additional PUC approvals and further resource adequacy initiatives and analysis. At that, let's open up the call to questions.

Scott DeGhetto: We still expect to fund the second settlement payment with debt and/or convertible debt and expect that payments thereafter will be funded with a mix of debt and equity, depending on market conditions. As Scott Seu mentioned, outstanding appeals must be resolved before we can make our first $479 million settlement payment, which we now expect to make in the second half of 2026. Turning to the next slide. We still expect 2026 CapEx of $550 to 700 million, in 2027 and 2028 CapEx to increase further to $600 to 800 million and $600 to 850 million, respectively. This level of spend is consistent with our expectations communicated last quarter and is subject to additional PUC approvals and further resource adequacy initiatives and analysis. At that, let's open up the call to questions.

Speaker #2: As Scott Seu mentioned, outstanding appeals must be resolved before we can make our first $479 million settlement payment, which we now expect to make in the second half of 2026.

Speaker #2: Turning to the next slide, we still expect 2026 CAPEX of $550,000 to $700,000,000 and 2027 and 2028 CAPEX to increase further to $600,000 to $800,000,000 and $600,000 to $850,000,000 respectively.

Speaker #2: This level of spend is consistent with our expectations communicated last quarter and is subject to additional PUC approvals and further resource adequacy initiatives and analysis.

Speaker #2: At that, let's open up the call to questions.

Speaker #3: At this time, if you would like to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, simply press star one again.

Scott W. H. Seu: At this time, if you would like to ask a question, press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, simply press star 1 again. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Michael Lommigan with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Scott Seu: At this time, if you would like to ask a question, press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, simply press star 1 again. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Michael Lommigan with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Michael Lonegan with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker #4: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just wondering if you could talk about the latest appeal by the insurers. What do you see as the chances the Hawaii Supreme Court takes up the case, or do you think it's possible that they deny it—here the appeal—based on some of the language from the prior appeals and prior cases with the Supreme Court?

Michael Lommigan: Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just wondering if you could talk about the latest appeal by the insurers. What do you see as the chances the Hawaii Supreme Court takes up the case? Do you think it's possible that they deny to hear the appeal based on some of the language from the prior appeals and prior cases with the Supreme Court?

Michael Lorigan: Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just wondering if you could talk about the latest appeal by the insurers. What do you see as the chances the Hawaii Supreme Court takes up the case? Do you think it's possible that they deny to hear the appeal based on some of the language from the prior appeals and prior cases with the Supreme Court?

Speaker #5: Yeah. Hi, Mike. This is Scott. Thanks for the question. Yeah. So the only remaining item here is that appeal—the subro appeal of the earlier summary judgment, which dismissed their claims, their direct claims against the defendants.

Scott W. H. Seu: Yeah, hi, Mike. This is Scott. Thanks for the question. Yeah. The only remaining item here is that appeal, the Sub Rosa appeal of the earlier summary judgment, which dismissed their claims, their direct claims against the defendants. There's no briefing scheduled yet on this appeal that was just filed in January. I do think that, you know, ultimately, of course, I don't want to get ahead of our Hawaii Supreme Court, but essentially, this is the last step, and all decisions by the circuit court and the State Supreme Court have been very supportive of the settlements. Again, I won't speculate or speak for the Supreme Court. You know, maybe I'll stop my comments there.

Scott Seu: Yeah, hi, Mike. This is Scott. Thanks for the question. Yeah. The only remaining item here is that appeal, the Sub Rosa appeal of the earlier summary judgment, which dismissed their claims, their direct claims against the defendants. There's no briefing scheduled yet on this appeal that was just filed in January. I do think that, you know, ultimately, of course, I don't want to get ahead of our Hawaii Supreme Court, but essentially, this is the last step, and all decisions by the circuit court and the State Supreme Court have been very supportive of the settlements. Again, I won't speculate or speak for the Supreme Court. You know, maybe I'll stop my comments there.

Speaker #5: There's been no briefing scheduled yet. On this appeal that was just filed in January, I do think that ultimately, of course, I don't want to get ahead of our Hawaii Supreme Court.

Speaker #5: But essentially, this is the last step, and all decisions by the circuit court and the state Supreme Court have been very supportive of the settlements.

Speaker #5: Again, I won't speculate or speak for the Supreme Court, but maybe I'll stop my comments there.

Speaker #4: Okay, thank you. And then on financing the second settlement payment, what are your latest thoughts on a preference between debt, or convertible debt, or a combination thereof?

Michael Lommigan: Okay. Thank you. On financing the second settlement payment, what are your latest thoughts on, you know, a preference between debt or convertible debt or a combination thereof? Do you think you'll wait until after the settlement is approved to do this financing or is it something we could see like with the first settlement capital raise where you know, you did that already with equity?

Michael Lorigan: Okay. Thank you. On financing the second settlement payment, what are your latest thoughts on, you know, a preference between debt or convertible debt or a combination thereof? Do you think you'll wait until after the settlement is approved to do this financing or is it something we could see like with the first settlement capital raise where you know, you did that already with equity?

Speaker #4: And do you think you’ll wait until after the settlement is approved to do this financing, or is it something we could see—like with the first settlement capital raise—where you did that already with equity?

Speaker #2: Hey, Mike. Scott DeGhetto. So, no change in plans from what we've been saying over the past several quarters. It will be a re-levering at HEI, either through debt or convertible debt.

Scott T. DeGhetto: Hey, Mike. Scott Tognetti. No change in plans from what we've been saying over the past several quarters. It will be a relevering at HEI either through debt or convertible debt. Right now, based upon market conditions, I would say we're leaning more towards convertible debt and doing it all as convertible debt, that certainly can change as we go forward. In terms of the timing of that payment, we don't anticipate doing anything until after the Settlement is approved. As you know, that first payment was raised a while ago. It's being held in escrow. Once the Settlement is approved, we have 30 days to make that payment.

Scott DeGhetto: Hey, Mike. Scott Tognetti. No change in plans from what we've been saying over the past several quarters. It will be a relevering at HEI either through debt or convertible debt. Right now, based upon market conditions, I would say we're leaning more towards convertible debt and doing it all as convertible debt, that certainly can change as we go forward. In terms of the timing of that payment, we don't anticipate doing anything until after the Settlement is approved. As you know, that first payment was raised a while ago. It's being held in escrow. Once the Settlement is approved, we have 30 days to make that payment.

Speaker #2: Right now, based upon market conditions, I would say we're leaning more towards convertible debt and doing it all as convertible debt, but that certainly can change.

Speaker #2: As we go forward—and then, in terms of the timing of that payment, we don't anticipate doing anything until after the settlement's approved. As you know, that first payment was raised a while ago.

Speaker #2: It's being held in escrow. And then, once the settlement's approved, we have 30 days to make that payment. And so then we would look, once that payment is made, we'll continue to look at the markets and determine at the appropriate time.

Scott T. DeGhetto: Once that payment is made, we'll continue to look at the markets and determine at the appropriate time, when we would raise that money. I don't think it'll be, you know, a year in advance like we did the last one, but you just never know. It depends on where the market is at that particular time.

Scott DeGhetto: Once that payment is made, we'll continue to look at the markets and determine at the appropriate time, when we would raise that money. I don't think it'll be, you know, a year in advance like we did the last one, but you just never know. It depends on where the market is at that particular time.

Speaker #2: When we would raise that money, I don't think it'll be a year in advance like we did the last one. But you just never know.

Speaker #2: It depends on where the market is at that particular time.

Speaker #4: Great. And then you talked about financing your capital program with the prior debt issuance and then also retained earnings—a good portion of it. With the remaining amount, do you expect to use your $250 million ATM program?

Michael Lommigan: Great. You talked about financing your capital program, you know, with the prior debt issuance and also retained earnings, you know, a good portion of it. With the remaining amount, do you expect to use, you know, your $250 million ATM program? How much of that, and, you know, what could be the cadence of issuances of that if you were to, you know, use that?

Michael Lorigan: Great. You talked about financing your capital program, you know, with the prior debt issuance and also retained earnings, you know, a good portion of it. With the remaining amount, do you expect to use, you know, your $250 million ATM program? How much of that, and, you know, what could be the cadence of issuances of that if you were to, you know, use that?

Speaker #4: How much of that, and what could be the cadence of issuances of that, if you were to use that?

Speaker #2: So, in terms—let me hit the ATM program first, and then I'll kick it to Paul Ito to talk a little bit more about financing down at the utility and his thoughts on that.

Scott T. DeGhetto: Let me hit the ATM program first, I'll kick it to Paul Ito to talk a little bit about more about financing down at the Hawaiian Electric and his thoughts on that. In terms of the ATM, the ATM's out there. We have the ability to use it. Again, we'll be opportunistic in use of that. you know, we may use it, we may not. It just, again, depends on market conditions. that's always an option for us.

Scott DeGhetto: Let me hit the ATM program first, I'll kick it to Paul Ito to talk a little bit about more about financing down at the Hawaiian Electric and his thoughts on that. In terms of the ATM, the ATM's out there. We have the ability to use it. Again, we'll be opportunistic in use of that. you know, we may use it, we may not. It just, again, depends on market conditions. that's always an option for us.

Speaker #2: But in terms of the ATM, the ATMs out there, we have the ability to use it. Again, we'll be opportunistic in use of that.

Speaker #2: We may use it. We may not. It just, again, depends on market conditions. But that’s always an option for us.

Speaker #4: And then lastly from me, on American Savings Bank—you talked about selling the remaining roughly 10% stake of that. Is that assumed in your financing plan, or how should we think about the timing of that potential sale?

Michael Lommigan: Then, you know, lastly from me, American Savings Bank, you know, you talked about selling the remaining, you know, roughly 10% stake of that. Is that assumed in your financing plan? Or, you know, how should we think about the timing of that potential sale?

Michael Lorigan: Then, you know, lastly from me, American Savings Bank, you know, you talked about selling the remaining, you know, roughly 10% stake of that. Is that assumed in your financing plan? Or, you know, how should we think about the timing of that potential sale?

Speaker #2: So we still intend to divest that remaining 9.9% in calendar year 2026. Again, it just depends on market conditions, how the bank is doing, etc.

Scott T. DeGhetto: We still intend to divest that remaining 9.9% in calendar year 2026. Again, just depends on market conditions, how the bank is doing, et cetera. We continue to look at that regularly. We do have plans to divest that this year.

Scott DeGhetto: We still intend to divest that remaining 9.9% in calendar year 2026. Again, just depends on market conditions, how the bank is doing, et cetera. We continue to look at that regularly. We do have plans to divest that this year.

Speaker #2: So, we continue to look at that regularly, and again, we do have plans to divest that this year.

Speaker #4: Great. Thanks for taking my question.

Michael Lommigan: Great. Thanks for taking my question.

Michael Lorigan: Great. Thanks for taking my question.

Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of James Ward with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of James Ward with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker #5: Hi, guys. Congratulations, Paul and Scott. Wishing you all the best.

James Ward: Hi, guys. Congratulations, Paul and Scott. Wishing you all the best.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith: Hi, guys. Congratulations, Paul and Scott. Wishing you all the best.

Scott T. DeGhetto: Thank you.

Scott DeGhetto: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you.

Scott W. H. Seu: Thank you.

Scott Seu: Thank you.

James Ward: In terms of the PBR rebasing, what should we think about in terms of what's actually in that upcoming 6 March joint proposal? You've spoken to it at a high level, but the two to three most material elements maybe, target revenue methodology, PIM redesign of a follow-up on that, et cetera. How should we be thinking about what's in there?

Speaker #5: In terms of the PBR rebasing, what should we think about in terms of what's actually in that upcoming March 6th joint proposal? You've spoken to it at a high level, but the two to three most material elements — maybe target revenue methodology, PIM redesign, a follow-up on that, etc.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith: In terms of the PBR rebasing, what should we think about in terms of what's actually in that upcoming 6 March joint proposal? You've spoken to it at a high level, but the two to three most material elements maybe, target revenue methodology, PIM redesign of a follow-up on that, et cetera. How should we be thinking about what's in there?

Speaker #5: How should we be thinking about what's in there?

Speaker #2: Yeah, James, I think we've described the high-level elements of what we're trying to work through, including the inflationary adjustment factor and having a true-up mechanism as opposed to the current structure.

Scott W. H. Seu: Yeah, James, you know, I think we've described the high-level elements of what we're trying to work through, including the inflationary adjustment factor, you know, having a true-up mechanism as opposed to the current structure. Looking at the PIMs and, you know, making sure the PIMs are nice and tight in terms of our ability to actually influence outcomes as well as also the potential return from those PIMs if we show that we have truly performed well there. We've also mentioned in the past looking at expanding the scope of EPRM, the Exceptional Project Recovery Mechanism. Those are the key elements, I'd say.

Scott Seu: Yeah, James, you know, I think we've described the high-level elements of what we're trying to work through, including the inflationary adjustment factor, you know, having a true-up mechanism as opposed to the current structure. Looking at the PIMs and, you know, making sure the PIMs are nice and tight in terms of our ability to actually influence outcomes as well as also the potential return from those PIMs if we show that we have truly performed well there. We've also mentioned in the past looking at expanding the scope of EPRM, the Exceptional Project Recovery Mechanism. Those are the key elements, I'd say.

Speaker #2: Looking at the PIMs and making sure the PIMs are nice and tight in terms of our ability to actually influence outcomes, as well as also the potential return.

Speaker #2: From those PIMs, if we show that we have truly performed well there. We've also mentioned in the past looking at expanding the scope of EPRM, the Exceptional Project Recovery Mechanism, so those are the key elements, I'd say.

Speaker #5: Okay.

James Ward: Okay. Gotcha. I have a follow-up on the PIM. Just first in terms of like rebasing outcome, you know, the risk. Chris has described this as the final extension. What are the specific triggers that we should think about in terms of what would cause you to pivot back to a traditional 2027, you know, test your rate case as second half 2026? Like how are you managing the risk of that Jan 2027 new rate date slipping?

Julien Dumoulin-Smith: Okay. Gotcha. I have a follow-up on the PIM. Just first in terms of like rebasing outcome, you know, the risk. Chris has described this as the final extension. What are the specific triggers that we should think about in terms of what would cause you to pivot back to a traditional 2027, you know, test your rate case as second half 2026? Like how are you managing the risk of that Jan 2027 new rate date slipping?

Speaker #4: Gotcha. I have a follow-up on the PIM, but just first, in terms of rebasing outcome, risk, sort of. Commissions describe this as the final extension, and what are the specific triggers that we should think about in terms of what would cause you to pivot back to a traditional 2027 test-year rate case as second-half '26?

Speaker #4: How are you managing the risk of that January 2027 new rate state slipping?

Speaker #2: James, let me hand it over to Joel Viola at the utility. He's our Senior Vice President overseeing our regulatory affairs.

Scott W. H. Seu: James, let me hand it over to Joe Viola at the utility. He's our Senior Vice President overseeing our regulatory affairs.

Scott Seu: James, let me hand it over to Joe Viola at the utility. He's our Senior Vice President overseeing our regulatory affairs.

Speaker #6: Yes, hello. The March 6th date is when it will be submitting the rebasing proposal with one of the PBR stakeholders. Ulupono was who Scott had mentioned.

Rachel Smith: Yes. Hello. Yes. The 6 March date is when we'll be submitting the rebasing proposal with one of the PBR stakeholders, Ulupono, as Scott had mentioned. The commission after that will just take a look. We figure in about 30 days, they'll make sure that everything as a formal matter, as administratively is in there that they expect, and then give us an order to proceed with the rest of the process. The only thing that would cause us to pivot to a 2027 test year rate case is if that rate basing proposal were denied.

Scott Seu: Yes. Hello. Yes. The 6 March date is when we'll be submitting the rebasing proposal with one of the PBR stakeholders, Ulupono, as Scott had mentioned. The commission after that will just take a look. We figure in about 30 days, they'll make sure that everything as a formal matter, as administratively is in there that they expect, and then give us an order to proceed with the rest of the process. The only thing that would cause us to pivot to a 2027 test year rate case is if that rate basing proposal were denied.

Speaker #6: The commission after that will just take a look. We figure in about 30 days, they'll make sure that everything, as a formal matter administratively, is in there that they expect, and then give us an order to proceed with the rest of the process.

Speaker #6: The only thing that would cause us to pivot to a 2027 test-year rate case is if that rate-basing proposal were denied.

Speaker #5: Got it.

James Ward: Got it. Okay. Thank you for that. That's very helpful. On the PIM redesign, we actually hosted a call recently. We've hosted a number over the past year, Hawaii focused, former regulators, other people, you know, attached to the political process and so on. They were as clear as clear could be, which I'm sure you guys already would be aligned with and happy to hear. Reiterating 150 to 200 basis points of incremental earnings power above your authorized ROE was the original intention for the PIMs, and that's coming from on high. With that in mind, and given how the initial ones were often designed with things that were outside of your control, unfortunately, and also the imbalances in terms of asymmetry, in terms of downside and upside, what...

Julien Dumoulin-Smith: Got it. Okay. Thank you for that. That's very helpful. On the PIM redesign, we actually hosted a call recently. We've hosted a number over the past year, Hawaii focused, former regulators, other people, you know, attached to the political process and so on. They were as clear as clear could be, which I'm sure you guys already would be aligned with and happy to hear. Reiterating 150 to 200 basis points of incremental earnings power above your authorized ROE was the original intention for the PIMs, and that's coming from on high. With that in mind, and given how the initial ones were often designed with things that were outside of your control, unfortunately, and also the imbalances in terms of asymmetry, in terms of downside and upside, what...

Speaker #4: Okay, thank you for that. That's very helpful. On the PIM redesign, we actually hosted a call recently. We've hosted a number over the past year—Hawaii-focused former regulators and other people attached to the political process, and so on.

Speaker #4: And they were as clear as clear could be, which I'm sure you guys already would be aligned with, and happy to hear. But reiterating, $150,000 to 200 basis points of incremental earnings power above your authorized ROE was the original intention for the PIMs.

Speaker #4: And that's coming from on high. With that in mind, and given how the initial ones were often designed with things that were outside of your control, unfortunately, and also the imbalances in terms of asymmetry in terms of downside and upside, what, on the PIM redesign, what does a more meaningful package look like to you guys in practice?

James Ward: On the PIM redesign, what does a more meaningful package look like to you guys in practice? Like, what would the 2 or 3 PIM changes be that you're pursuing, and how should we think about that symmetry in terms of upside versus downside? Thanks.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith: On the PIM redesign, what does a more meaningful package look like to you guys in practice? Like, what would the 2 or 3 PIM changes be that you're pursuing, and how should we think about that symmetry in terms of upside versus downside? Thanks.

Speaker #4: What would the top two or three PIM changes be that you're pursuing? And how should we think about that symmetry in terms of upside versus downside?

Speaker #4: Thanks.

Speaker #6: Hi, this is Joe again. I think, in terms of the ultimate reward opportunity, we believe that the commission should eventually support what they said in the past—that $150,000 to 200 basis points.

Rachel Smith: Hi, this is Joe again. I think in terms of the ultimate reward opportunity, we believe that the commission should eventually support what they said in the past, that 150 to 200 basis points, and we'll support that. We think there's other support for that as well. In terms of what we wanna see going forward, we've learned a lot living under the first 5 years of PBR. When we say more meaningful package, we wanna make sure that the targets are reasonably set and the means to achieve them are reasonably within our control. That's the important part. Going forward, as Scott mentioned, we'll be discussing what the specific topics and specific priorities would be for those incentives. It's, you know, to us it's the design, make sure that we can achieve them.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith: Hi, this is Joe again. I think in terms of the ultimate reward opportunity, we believe that the commission should eventually support what they said in the past, that 150 to 200 basis points, and we'll support that. We think there's other support for that as well. In terms of what we wanna see going forward, we've learned a lot living under the first 5 years of PBR. When we say more meaningful package, we wanna make sure that the targets are reasonably set and the means to achieve them are reasonably within our control. That's the important part. Going forward, as Scott mentioned, we'll be discussing what the specific topics and specific priorities would be for those incentives. It's, you know, to us it's the design, make sure that we can achieve them.

Speaker #6: And we'll support that. We think there's other support for that as well. In terms of what we want to see going forward, we've learned a lot.

Speaker #6: Living under the first five years of PBR. So, when we say 'more meaningful package,' we want to make sure that the targets are reasonably set and the means to achieve them are reasonably within our control.

Speaker #6: That's the important part. We're going to, going forward, as Scott mentioned, what we discussed—what the specific topics and specific priorities would be for those incentives.

Speaker #6: But to us, it's the design. Make sure that we can achieve them. That's our main goal.

Rachel Smith: That's our main goal.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith: That's our main goal.

Speaker #5: Yeah, the only other thing I'd add, James, is we're also interested to see if we can actually reduce the total number of PIMs, because that has been a bit of a challenge over the last few years—managing a long list of PIMs.

Scott W. H. Seu: Yeah. The only other thing I'd add, James, is we're also interested to see if we can actually reduce the total number of PIMs, because that has been a bit of a challenge over the last few years, managing a long list of PIMs.

Scott Seu: Yeah. The only other thing I'd add, James, is we're also interested to see if we can actually reduce the total number of PIMs, because that has been a bit of a challenge over the last few years, managing a long list of PIMs.

Speaker #2: Got it. Thank you both very much. That's very helpful. Last question I have is the wildfire path from here—legislation passed. So you're now guiding the 18- to 24-months for the liability cap process, with wildfire funds thereafter.

James Ward: Got it. Thank you both very much. That's very helpful. Last question I have is, the wildfire platform here, legislation passed. You're now guiding to 18 to 24 months for the liability cap process with wildfire funds thereafter. You know, we obviously saw the PUC's report at the end of the year to the legislature. Bringing it back from 18 to 24 months back to 2026, what are the 2026 milestones that we should be watching for liability cap, wildfire funds, securitization? It sounds like wildfire fund might not be on there. I'll leave it there open, I think that's what the other part people would like to know.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith: Got it. Thank you both very much. That's very helpful. Last question I have is, the wildfire platform here, legislation passed. You're now guiding to 18 to 24 months for the liability cap process with wildfire funds thereafter. You know, we obviously saw the PUC's report at the end of the year to the legislature. Bringing it back from 18 to 24 months back to 2026, what are the 2026 milestones that we should be watching for liability cap, wildfire funds, securitization? It sounds like wildfire fund might not be on there. I'll leave it there open, I think that's what the other part people would like to know.

Speaker #2: We obviously saw the PCUs report at the end of the year to the legislature, so bringing it back from 18 to 24 months, back to 2026, what are the 2026 milestones that we should be watching for: liability cap, wildfire funds, securitization? It sounds like wildfire fund might not be on there?

Speaker #2: Anyway, I'll leave it there open, but I think that's the other part people would like to go on.

Speaker #6: Yeah, James, so as you noted, right, at the end of last year, the PUC filed their report on the fund, the potential for a fund.

Scott W. H. Seu: Yeah, James. as you noted, right at the end of last year, the PUC filed their report on the fund, the potential for a fund. In that, they indicated that it should actually be taken up after the PUC rulemaking process for a limitation of liability happens, which the PUC has indicated that that would be the 18 to 24 month period, roughly the beginning of this year. as far as critical milestones, I mean, a state agency rulemaking process, 18 to 24 months, it will involve a lot of information gathering, data gathering, and eventually they would file a proposed set of rules for comment and review. They would go back and take those into account and issue the final.

Scott Seu: Yeah, James. as you noted, right at the end of last year, the PUC filed their report on the fund, the potential for a fund. In that, they indicated that it should actually be taken up after the PUC rulemaking process for a limitation of liability happens, which the PUC has indicated that that would be the 18 to 24 month period, roughly the beginning of this year. as far as critical milestones, I mean, a state agency rulemaking process, 18 to 24 months, it will involve a lot of information gathering, data gathering, and eventually they would file a proposed set of rules for comment and review. They would go back and take those into account and issue the final.

Speaker #6: And in that, they indicated that it should actually be taken up after the PUC rulemaking process for a limitation of liability happens, which the PUC has indicated would be in the 18- to 24-month period.

Speaker #6: Beginning roughly at the beginning of this year. So as far as critical milestones, I mean, a state agency rulemaking process—18 to 24 months—it will involve a lot of information gathering, data gathering.

Speaker #6: And eventually, they would file a proposed set of rules for comment and review, and then they would go back and take those into account and issue the final.

Speaker #6: Once the final rulemaking is proposed, there is a certain period of time for the governor to actually be able to weigh in with his own comments.

Scott W. H. Seu: Once the final rulemaking is proposed, there is a certain period of time for the governor to actually be able to weigh in with his own comments. At that point, once that is resolved, then the rule becomes final. Those are the high level steps in a rulemaking process. You know, as far as other critical milestones this year, it's really all on that PUC rulemaking process. I think I would also say there's nothing that would be teed up, for example, in front of the legislature this year.

Scott Seu: Once the final rulemaking is proposed, there is a certain period of time for the governor to actually be able to weigh in with his own comments. At that point, once that is resolved, then the rule becomes final. Those are the high level steps in a rulemaking process. You know, as far as other critical milestones this year, it's really all on that PUC rulemaking process. I think I would also say there's nothing that would be teed up, for example, in front of the legislature this year.

Speaker #6: And at that point, once that is resolved, then the rule becomes final. So those are the high-level steps in a rulemaking process. As far as other critical milestones, this year, it's really all on that PUC rulemaking process.

Speaker #6: And I think I would also say there's nothing that would be teed up, for example, in front of the legislature this year.

Speaker #5: Got it.

James Ward: Got it. Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate it, and I'll see you next week at the conference.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith: Got it. Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate it, and I'll see you next week at the conference.

Speaker #4: Okay, thank you very much. I appreciate it, and I'll see you next week at the conference.

Speaker #2: Thanks, James.

Scott W. H. Seu: Thanks, James.

Scott Seu: Thanks, James.

Speaker #1: That concludes our question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Scott Seu for closing remarks.

Operator: That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Scott Seu for closing remarks.

Speaker #2: I just want to close by saying again to all of our investors and interested stakeholders, thank you for your support. 2025, like I said, was a year where we felt we really were able to make a lot of progress in terms of advancing our key initiatives.

Scott W. H. Seu: I just wanna close by saying again to all of our investors and interested stakeholders, thank you for your support. 2025, like I said, was a year where we felt we really were able to make a lot of progress in terms of advancing our key initiatives. I also want to one more time just thank Scott DeGhetto for his service as HEI CFO, coming to us shortly after the Maui wildfires in 2023. Paul Ito, I welcome you back to our team at HEI. With that, thank you very much.

Scott Seu: I just wanna close by saying again to all of our investors and interested stakeholders, thank you for your support. 2025, like I said, was a year where we felt we really were able to make a lot of progress in terms of advancing our key initiatives. I also want to one more time just thank Scott DeGhetto for his service as HEI CFO, coming to us shortly after the Maui wildfires in 2023. Paul Ito, I welcome you back to our team at HEI. With that, thank you very much.

Speaker #2: I also want to, one more time, just thank Scott DeGhetto for his service as HEI CFO, coming to us shortly after the Maui wildfires in 2023.

Speaker #2: And Paul Ito, I welcome you back to our team at HEI. So, with that, thank you very much.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

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