Q4 2025 Granite Point Mortgage Trust Inc Earnings Call
Paul: Good morning. My name is Paul, and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Granite Point Mortgage Trust Q4 and full year 2025 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please note today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Petta with Investor Relations for Granite Point. Please go ahead.
Operator: Good morning. My name is Paul, and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Granite Point Mortgage Trust Q4 and full year 2025 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please note today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Petta with Investor Relations for Granite Point. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: At this time, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please note, today's call is being recorded.
Speaker #2: I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Petta, with Investor Relations for Granite Point. Please go ahead. Thank you. And good morning, everyone.
Chris Petta: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our call to discuss Granite Point's fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results. With me on the call this morning are Jack Taylor, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Steve Alpart, our Chief Investment Officer and Co-Head of Originations, Blake Johnson, our Chief Financial Officer, Peter Morral, our Chief Development Officer and Co-Head of Originations, and Ethan Lebowitz, our Chief Operating Officer. After my introductory comments, Jack will provide a brief recap of market conditions and review our current business activities. Steve will discuss our portfolio, and Blake will highlight key items from our financial results. The press release, financial tables, and earnings supplemental associated with today's call were filed yesterday with the SEC and are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. We expect to file our Form 10-K in the coming weeks.
Chris Petta: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our call to discuss Granite Point's fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results. With me on the call this morning are Jack Taylor, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Steve Alpart, our Chief Investment Officer and Co-Head of Originations, Blake Johnson, our Chief Financial Officer, Peter Morral, our Chief Development Officer and Co-Head of Originations, and Ethan Lebowitz, our Chief Operating Officer. After my introductory comments, Jack will provide a brief recap of market conditions and review our current business activities. Steve will discuss our portfolio, and Blake will highlight key items from our financial results. The press release, financial tables, and earnings supplemental associated with today's call were filed yesterday with the SEC and are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. We expect to file our Form 10-K in the coming weeks.
Speaker #2: Thank you for joining our call to discuss Granite Point's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2025 Financial Results with me on the call this morning are Jack Taylor, our President and Chief Executive Officer; Steve Alpart, our Chief Investment Officer and Co-Head of Originations; Blake Johnson, our Chief Financial Officer; Peter Morrell, our Chief Development Officer and Co-Head of Originations; and Ethan Liebowitz, our Chief Operating Officer.
Speaker #2: After my introductory comments, Jack will provide a brief recap of market conditions and review our current business activities. Steve will discuss our portfolio, and Blake will highlight key items from our financial results.
Speaker #2: The press release financial tables and earnings supplemental associated with today's call were filed yesterday with the SEC and are available in the Investor Relations section of our website.
Speaker #2: We expect to file our Form 10-K in the coming weeks. I would like to remind you that remarks made by management during this call and the supporting slides may include forward-looking statements, which are uncertain and outside of the company's control.
Chris Petta: I would like to remind you that remarks made by management during this call and the supporting slides may include forward-looking statements which are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Forward-looking statements reflect our views regarding future events and are subject to uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. Please see our filings with the SEC for a discussion of some of the risks that could affect results. We do not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements. We also refer to certain non-GAAP measures on this call. This information is not intended to be considered in isolation or a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release and slides, which are available on our website.
Chris Petta: I would like to remind you that remarks made by management during this call and the supporting slides may include forward-looking statements which are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Forward-looking statements reflect our views regarding future events and are subject to uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. Please see our filings with the SEC for a discussion of some of the risks that could affect results. We do not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements. We also refer to certain non-GAAP measures on this call. This information is not intended to be considered in isolation or a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release and slides, which are available on our website.
Speaker #2: Forward-looking statements reflect our views regarding future events and are subject to uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. Please see our filings with the SEC for a discussion of some of the risks that could affect results.
Speaker #2: We do not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements. We also refer to certain non-GAAP measures on this call. This information is not intended to be considered in isolation or a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP.
Speaker #2: A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release and slides, which are available on our website.
Speaker #2: I will now turn the call over to Jack.
Chris Petta: I will now turn the call over to Jack.
Chris Petta: I will now turn the call over to Jack.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. We would like to welcome you and thank you for joining us for Granite Point's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2025 earnings call.
Jack Taylor: Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. We would like to welcome you and thank you for joining us for Granite Point's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Call. 2025 was a constructive year for the commercial real estate industry. The year began with strong momentum, which, after pausing briefly in the spring due to macro uncertainty, quickly resumed with heightened deal activity and spread compression throughout the balance of the year. During the fourth quarter, we saw greater capital availability for a broader array of properties, including certain office properties, as well as improving fundamentals across many markets and most property types. Lending volume has expanded and also extended to a wider range of property types and markets. This greater liquidity in the market has benefited the CMBS market and strengthened CLO issuance.
Jack Taylor: Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. We would like to welcome you and thank you for joining us for Granite Point's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Call. 2025 was a constructive year for the commercial real estate industry. The year began with strong momentum, which, after pausing briefly in the spring due to macro uncertainty, quickly resumed with heightened deal activity and spread compression throughout the balance of the year. During the fourth quarter, we saw greater capital availability for a broader array of properties, including certain office properties, as well as improving fundamentals across many markets and most property types. Lending volume has expanded and also extended to a wider range of property types and markets. This greater liquidity in the market has benefited the CMBS market and strengthened CLO issuance.
Speaker #3: 2025 was a constructive year for the commercial real estate industry. The year began with strong momentum, which after pausing briefly in the spring due to macro uncertainty, quickly resumed with heightened deal activity and spread compression throughout the balance of the year.
Speaker #3: During the 4th Quarter, we saw greater capital availability for a broader array of properties, including certain office properties, as well as improving fundamentals across many markets and most property types.
Speaker #3: Lending volume has expanded and also extended to a wider range of property types and markets. This greater liquidity in the market has benefited the CMBS market, has strengthened CLO issuance.
Speaker #3: Larger commercial banks have become more active, notably for warehouse financing, and regional banks are beginning to return to the market as well. Against this backdrop of available capital in the market, there continues to be a shortfall of actionable deals.
Jack Taylor: Larger commercial banks have become more active, notably for warehouse financing, and regional banks are beginning to return to the market as well. Against this backdrop of available capital in the market, there continues to be a shortfall of actionable deals, which is one of the key factors contributing to the spread tightening we have been seeing over the last several quarters. For Granite Point, with the long-awaited market improvement, 2025 was an impactful year as we achieved some of our key objectives. These included five loan resolutions, seven full loan repayments, and one REO property sale, as well as a reduction in our cost of debt.
Jack Taylor: Larger commercial banks have become more active, notably for warehouse financing, and regional banks are beginning to return to the market as well. Against this backdrop of available capital in the market, there continues to be a shortfall of actionable deals, which is one of the key factors contributing to the spread tightening we have been seeing over the last several quarters. For Granite Point, with the long-awaited market improvement, 2025 was an impactful year as we achieved some of our key objectives. These included five loan resolutions, seven full loan repayments, and one REO property sale, as well as a reduction in our cost of debt.
Speaker #3: One of the key factors contributing to the spread tightening we have been seeing over the last several quarters is the long-awaited market improvement. For Granite Point, 2025 was an impactful year, as we achieved some of our key objectives.
Speaker #3: These included five loan resolutions, seven full loan repayments, and one REO property sale. As well as a reduction in our cost of debt. The market momentum experienced in 2025 has continued into early 2026.
Jack Taylor: The market momentum experienced in 2025 has continued into early 2026 and sets the stage for this year to be potentially a stronger year for the industry, with forecasted growth in transaction activity across property types, increased liquidity from traditional lenders, a robust securitization market, and an increasingly constructive backdrop for asset resolution activity. In 2026, we continue to make progress reducing our higher cost debt and moving along our asset resolutions, which will continue to help reduce the risk within our portfolio and improve our net interest spread. This month, we repaid a substantial amount of additional higher cost debt, resulting in a reduction in the cost of our repurchase facilities by roughly 60 basis points and an estimated annual savings of $0.10 per share.
Jack Taylor: The market momentum experienced in 2025 has continued into early 2026 and sets the stage for this year to be potentially a stronger year for the industry, with forecasted growth in transaction activity across property types, increased liquidity from traditional lenders, a robust securitization market, and an increasingly constructive backdrop for asset resolution activity. In 2026, we continue to make progress reducing our higher cost debt and moving along our asset resolutions, which will continue to help reduce the risk within our portfolio and improve our net interest spread. This month, we repaid a substantial amount of additional higher cost debt, resulting in a reduction in the cost of our repurchase facilities by roughly 60 basis points and an estimated annual savings of $0.10 per share.
Speaker #3: And sets the stage for this year to be potentially a stronger year for the industry. With forecasted growth in transaction activity, across property types, increased liquidity from traditional lenders, a robust securitization market, and an increasingly constructive backdrop for asset resolution activity.
Speaker #3: In 2026, we continue to make progress reducing our higher-cost debt and moving along our asset resolutions. Which will continue to help reduce the risk within our portfolio and improve our net interest spread.
Speaker #3: This month, we repaid a substantial amount of additional higher-cost debt, resulting in a reduction in the cost of our repurchase facilities by roughly 60 basis points.
Speaker #3: And an estimated annual savings of $0.10 per share. With respect to our two REO assets, we are investing capital where we believe it will maximize our outcome and then will seek to exit and extract capital.
Jack Taylor: With respect to our two REO assets, we are investing capital where we believe it will maximize our outcome, and then we'll seek to exit and extract capital. Post quarter end, we also have received two full loan repayments of $174 million combined. Turning to originations, as we said last quarter, we expect to begin to regrow our portfolio this year and to start that process in the latter half of 2026. The exact timing and volume of originations will be driven by the pace of loan repayments and asset resolutions, as well as market conditions and idiosyncratic factors. While the timing and volume is uncertain, reallocating capital in our portfolio and recycling into new originations remains one of our highest priorities. I would now like to turn the call over to Steve to discuss our portfolio activities in more detail.
Jack Taylor: With respect to our two REO assets, we are investing capital where we believe it will maximize our outcome, and then we'll seek to exit and extract capital. Post quarter end, we also have received two full loan repayments of $174 million combined. Turning to originations, as we said last quarter, we expect to begin to regrow our portfolio this year and to start that process in the latter half of 2026. The exact timing and volume of originations will be driven by the pace of loan repayments and asset resolutions, as well as market conditions and idiosyncratic factors. While the timing and volume is uncertain, reallocating capital in our portfolio and recycling into new originations remains one of our highest priorities. I would now like to turn the call over to Steve to discuss our portfolio activities in more detail.
Speaker #3: Post-quarter end, we also have received two full loan repayments of $174 million combined. Turning to Originations, as we said last quarter, we expect to begin to regrow our portfolio this year.
Speaker #3: And to start that process in the latter half of 2026. The exact timing and volume of originations will be driven by the pace of loan repayments and asset resolutions, as well as market conditions and idiosyncratic factors.
Speaker #3: While the timing and volume is uncertain, reallocating capital in our portfolio and recycling into new Originations remains one of our highest priorities. I would now like to turn the call over to Steve to discuss our portfolio activities in more detail.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Jack. And thank you all for joining our 4th Quarter and Full Year earnings call. We ended the year with $1.8 billion in total loan portfolio commitments, inclusive of $1.7 billion in outstanding principal balance and about $77 million of future fundings.
Stephen Alpart: Thank you, Jack, and thank you all for joining our Q4 and full year earnings call. We ended the year with $1.8 billion in total loan portfolio commitments, inclusive of $1.7 billion in outstanding principal balance and about $77 million of future fundings, which accounts for only about 4% of total commitments. Our loan portfolio remains diversified across regions and property types and includes 43 investments with an average UPB of about $39 million and a weighted average stabilized LTV of 65% at origination. As of December 31, our portfolio weighted average risk rating increased slightly to 2.9 from 2.8 at September 30. The realized loan portfolio yield for Q4 was 6.7%, which excluding nonaccrual loans, would have been 8% or 1.3% higher.
Stephen Alpart: Thank you, Jack, and thank you all for joining our Q4 and full year earnings call. We ended the year with $1.8 billion in total loan portfolio commitments, inclusive of $1.7 billion in outstanding principal balance and about $77 million of future fundings, which accounts for only about 4% of total commitments. Our loan portfolio remains diversified across regions and property types and includes 43 investments with an average UPB of about $39 million and a weighted average stabilized LTV of 65% at origination. As of December 31, our portfolio weighted average risk rating increased slightly to 2.9 from 2.8 at September 30. The realized loan portfolio yield for Q4 was 6.7%, which excluding nonaccrual loans, would have been 8% or 1.3% higher.
Speaker #4: Which accounts for only about 4% of total commitments. Our loan portfolio remains diversified across regions and property types, and includes $43 investments, with an average UPB of average stabilized LTV of $65% at Origination.
Speaker #4: As of December 31st, our portfolio weighted average risk rating increased slightly to 2.9 from 2.8 at September 30th. The realized loan portfolio yield for the 4th Quarter was 6.7%, which excluding non-accrual loans would have been 8% or 1.3% higher.
Speaker #4: We had an active year of loan repayments and resolutions totaling about $469 million, during 2025. During the year, we funded about $51 million on existing loan commitments and other investments.
Stephen Alpart: We had an active year of loan repayments and resolutions totaling about $469 million during 2025. During the year, we funded about $51 million on existing loan commitments and other investments. During Q4, we had $45 million of loan repayments and partial pay downs, including a full repayment of a $33 million loan secured by a multifamily asset located in North Carolina. We had about $15 million of future fundings and other investments, resulting in a net loan portfolio reduction of about $30 million for Q4. Post quarter-end, we have received two full loan repayments of $174 million. We'll now provide some color on the risk-rated 5 loans. At December 31, we had 4 such loans with a total UPB of about $249 million.
Stephen Alpart: We had an active year of loan repayments and resolutions totaling about $469 million during 2025. During the year, we funded about $51 million on existing loan commitments and other investments. During Q4, we had $45 million of loan repayments and partial pay downs, including a full repayment of a $33 million loan secured by a multifamily asset located in North Carolina. We had about $15 million of future fundings and other investments, resulting in a net loan portfolio reduction of about $30 million for Q4. Post quarter-end, we have received two full loan repayments of $174 million. We'll now provide some color on the risk-rated 5 loans. At December 31, we had 4 such loans with a total UPB of about $249 million.
Speaker #4: During the fourth quarter, we had $45 million of loan repayments and partial paydowns, including a full repayment of a $33 million loan secured by a multifamily asset located in North Carolina.
Speaker #4: We had about $15 million of future fundings and other investments, resulting in a net loan portfolio reduction of about $30 million for the 4th Quarter.
Speaker #4: Post quarter-end, we have received two full loan repayments of $174 million. We'll now provide some color on the risk-rated five loans. At December 31, we had four such loans with a total UPB of about $249 million.
Speaker #4: At quarter end, we downgraded a $53 million loan collateralized by a $284 unit multifamily property in the Atlanta MSA from a risk rating of 4 to a rating of 5.
Stephen Alpart: At quarter end, we downgraded a $53 million loan collateralized by a 284-unit multifamily property in the Atlanta MSA from a risk rating of 4 to a rating of 5. While we've seen a pickup in occupancy at the property, the local market remains soft, and we are not seeing the return of the pricing power we had expected. We are reviewing resolution alternatives, which may include a property sale. We're monitoring the situation closely and expect to have more to share over the coming quarters. We discussed last quarter that we had a partial resolution on the Chicago loan, with the sale of the upper floor office space to a developer for a residential conversion. After the sale, the remaining collateral securing the $76 million loan is the retail space.
Stephen Alpart: At quarter end, we downgraded a $53 million loan collateralized by a 284-unit multifamily property in the Atlanta MSA from a risk rating of 4 to a rating of 5. While we've seen a pickup in occupancy at the property, the local market remains soft, and we are not seeing the return of the pricing power we had expected. We are reviewing resolution alternatives, which may include a property sale. We're monitoring the situation closely and expect to have more to share over the coming quarters. We discussed last quarter that we had a partial resolution on the Chicago loan, with the sale of the upper floor office space to a developer for a residential conversion. After the sale, the remaining collateral securing the $76 million loan is the retail space.
Speaker #4: While we've seen a pickup in occupancy at the property, the local market remains soft, and we are not seeing the return of the pricing power we had expected.
Speaker #4: We are reviewing resolution alternatives, which may include a property sale. We're monitoring the situation closely and expect to have more to share over the coming quarters.
Speaker #4: We discussed last quarter that we had a partial resolution on the Chicago loan. With the sale of the upper floor office space to a developer, for a residential conversion.
Speaker #4: After the sale, the remaining collateral will securing the $76 million loan is the retail space. The story is now cleaner and simpler, and we are continuing to work cooperatively with the borrower towards the ultimate resolution.
Stephen Alpart: The story is now cleaner and simpler, and we are continuing to work cooperatively with the borrower towards the ultimate resolution, which we expect will occur via a property sale in the nearer term. For the $27 million Tempe hotel and retail loan, we are reviewing resolution alternatives there as well, which could involve a sale of the property. Regarding the $93 million Minneapolis office loan, as previously disclosed, we anticipate a longer resolution timeline given the persistent local market challenges. Resolving these remaining five rated loans remain a top priority. Turning to the REO assets, we continue to have positive leasing successes at the suburban Boston property and remain actively engaged with our partner, the local jurisdiction, and other third parties on several value-enhancing repositioning opportunities. We continue to invest capital into this property to maximize the outcome.
Stephen Alpart: The story is now cleaner and simpler, and we are continuing to work cooperatively with the borrower towards the ultimate resolution, which we expect will occur via a property sale in the nearer term. For the $27 million Tempe hotel and retail loan, we are reviewing resolution alternatives there as well, which could involve a sale of the property. Regarding the $93 million Minneapolis office loan, as previously disclosed, we anticipate a longer resolution timeline given the persistent local market challenges. Resolving these remaining five rated loans remain a top priority. Turning to the REO assets, we continue to have positive leasing successes at the suburban Boston property and remain actively engaged with our partner, the local jurisdiction, and other third parties on several value-enhancing repositioning opportunities. We continue to invest capital into this property to maximize the outcome.
Speaker #4: Which we expect will occur via a property sale in the nearer term. For the 27 million dollar Tempe Hotel and Retail loan, we are reviewing resolution alternatives there as well.
Speaker #4: Which could involve a sale of the property. Regarding the $93 million Minneapolis office loan, as previously disclosed, we anticipate a longer resolution timeline, given the persistent local market challenges.
Speaker #4: Resolving these remaining five rated loans remains a top priority. Turning to the REO assets, we continue to have positive leasing successes at the suburban Boston property and remain actively engaged with our partner, the local jurisdiction, and other third parties on several value-enhancing repositioning opportunities.
Speaker #4: We continue to invest capital into this property to maximize the outcome. The Miami Beach office property is a Class A asset located in a strong market.
Stephen Alpart: The Miami Beach office property is a Class A asset located in a strong market. We are having positive leasing discussions with a variety of existing and new tenants. We'll prudently invest in the property and continue to review resolution alternatives, which includes a potential sale. As we shared in prior quarters, our plan for the first half of 2026 is to remain focused on loan and REO resolutions. We expect our portfolio balance will trend lower in the near term until we start our origination efforts in the latter half of 2026 to take advantage of attractive investment opportunities and begin to regrow our portfolio. I will now turn the call over to Blake to discuss our financial results.
Stephen Alpart: The Miami Beach office property is a Class A asset located in a strong market. We are having positive leasing discussions with a variety of existing and new tenants. We'll prudently invest in the property and continue to review resolution alternatives, which includes a potential sale. As we shared in prior quarters, our plan for the first half of 2026 is to remain focused on loan and REO resolutions. We expect our portfolio balance will trend lower in the near term until we start our origination efforts in the latter half of 2026 to take advantage of attractive investment opportunities and begin to regrow our portfolio. I will now turn the call over to Blake to discuss our financial results.
Speaker #4: We are having positive leasing tenants. We'll prudently invest in the property and continue to review resolution alternatives, which includes a potential sale. As we shared in prior quarters, our plans for the first half of 2026 is to remain focused on loan and REO resolutions.
Speaker #4: We expect our portfolio balance will trend lower in the near term, until we start our Origination efforts in the latter half of 2026 to take advantage of attractive investment opportunities and begin to regrow our portfolio.
Speaker #4: I will now turn the call over to Blake to discuss our financial results.
Speaker #5: Thank you, Steve. Good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us today. Turning to our financial results, for the 4th Quarter, we reported a gap net loss attributable to common stockholders of $27.4 million.
Blake Johnson: Thank you, Steve. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Turning to our financial results. For Q4, we reported a GAAP net loss attributable to common stockholders of $27.4 million, or -$0.58 per basic common share, which includes a provision for credit losses of $14.4 million, or -$0.30 per basic common share, and an impairment loss in the Miami Beach REO asset of $6.8 million, or -$0.14 per basic common share. Attributable loss for the quarter was $2.7 million, or -$0.06 per basic common share. Our book value at December 31 was $7.29 per common share, a decline of $0.65 per share from Q3, largely from the provision for credit losses and impairment loss on REO.
Blake Johnson: Thank you, Steve. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Turning to our financial results. For Q4, we reported a GAAP net loss attributable to common stockholders of $27.4 million, or -$0.58 per basic common share, which includes a provision for credit losses of $14.4 million, or -$0.30 per basic common share, and an impairment loss in the Miami Beach REO asset of $6.8 million, or -$0.14 per basic common share. Attributable loss for the quarter was $2.7 million, or -$0.06 per basic common share. Our book value at December 31 was $7.29 per common share, a decline of $0.65 per share from Q3, largely from the provision for credit losses and impairment loss on REO.
Speaker #5: Our negative $0.58 per basic common share, which includes a provision for credit losses of $14.4 million. Our negative $0.30 per basic common share and an impairment loss in the Miami Beach REO asset of $6.8 million.
Speaker #5: Our negative 14 cents per basic common share. Attributable loss for the quarter was $2.7 million. Our negative 6 cents per basic common share. Our book value at December 31st was $7.29 per common share.
Speaker #5: A decline of 65 cents per share from the Q3, largely from the provision for credit losses and impairment loss on REO. Our aggregate CISO reserve at December 31st was about $148 million, as compared to $134 million last quarter.
Blake Johnson: Our aggregate CECL reserve at December 31 was about $148 million, as compared to $134 million last quarter. The roughly $15 million increase in our CECL reserve was mainly due to an increase in our specific reserve on our collateral-dependent loans and worsening macroeconomic forecasts in our CECL model relative to the prior quarter. Approximately 70% of our total allowance was allocated to individually assessed loans. As of quarter end, we had about $249 million of principal balance on 4 loans with specific CECL reserves of around $105 million, representing 42% of the unpaid principal balance. We believe we are appropriately reserved, and further resolutions should meaningfully reduce our total CECL reserve balance.
Blake Johnson: Our aggregate CECL reserve at December 31 was about $148 million, as compared to $134 million last quarter. The roughly $15 million increase in our CECL reserve was mainly due to an increase in our specific reserve on our collateral-dependent loans and worsening macroeconomic forecasts in our CECL model relative to the prior quarter. Approximately 70% of our total allowance was allocated to individually assessed loans. As of quarter end, we had about $249 million of principal balance on 4 loans with specific CECL reserves of around $105 million, representing 42% of the unpaid principal balance. We believe we are appropriately reserved, and further resolutions should meaningfully reduce our total CECL reserve balance.
Speaker #5: The roughly $15 million increase in our CISO reserve was mainly due to an increase in our specific reserve on our collateral dependent loans and worsening macroeconomic forecasts in our CISO model relative to the prior quarter.
Speaker #5: Approximately 70% of our total allowance was allocated to individually assessed loans. As of quarter end, we had about $249 million of principal balance on four loans with specific CECL reserves of around $105 million, representing 42% of the unpaid principal balance.
Speaker #5: We believe we are appropriately reserved, and further resolutions should meaningfully reduce our total CISO reserve balance. Turning to liquidity and capitalization, we ended the quarter with about $66 million of unrestricted cash, and our total leverage increased slightly relative to the prior quarter, from 1.9 times to 2.0 times.
Blake Johnson: Turning to liquidity and capitalization, we ended the quarter with about $66 million of unrestricted cash, and our total leverage increased slightly relative to the prior quarter from 1.9 times to 2.0 times. As of a few days ago, we carried about $55 million in cash. Our funding mix remains well diversified and stable, and we continue to have very constructive relationships with our financing counterparties. We expect to expand our financing capacity once we return to originating new loans. I will now ask the operator to open the line for questions.
Blake Johnson: Turning to liquidity and capitalization, we ended the quarter with about $66 million of unrestricted cash, and our total leverage increased slightly relative to the prior quarter from 1.9 times to 2.0 times. As of a few days ago, we carried about $55 million in cash. Our funding mix remains well diversified and stable, and we continue to have very constructive relationships with our financing counterparties. We expect to expand our financing capacity once we return to originating new loans. I will now ask the operator to open the line for questions.
Speaker #5: As of a few days ago, we carried about $55 million in cash. Our funding mix remains well-diversified and stable and we continue to have very constructive relationships with our financing counterparties.
Speaker #5: We expect to expand our financing capacity once we return to Originating New Loans. I will now ask the operator to open the line for questions.
Speaker #6: Thank you. Well, now we conduct any question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad.
Stephen Alpart: Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star two to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please, while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question is from Doug Harder with UBS.
Operator: Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star two to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please, while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question is from Doug Harder with UBS.
Speaker #6: A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 to remove your question from the queue.
Speaker #6: For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for questions.
Speaker #6: Thank you. Our first question is from Doug Harder with UBS.
Speaker #7: Good morning. It's actually Marissa Lobo on for Doug today. Thanks for taking my questions. On Origination, how are you thinking about the economics of new Origination versus returning capital to shareholders?
[Analyst] (UBS): Good morning. It's actually Marissa Lobo on for Doug today. Thanks for taking my questions. On origination, how are you thinking about the economics of new origination versus returning capital to shareholders, given the large discount to book value that you showed us?
Marissa Lobo: Good morning. It's actually Marissa Lobo on for Doug today. Thanks for taking my questions. On origination, how are you thinking about the economics of new origination versus returning capital to shareholders, given the large discount to book value that you showed us?
Speaker #7: Given the large discount to book value that you trade at?
Speaker #5: Good morning, Marissa. This is Blake. Thank you for the question today. Yes, when we look at our portfolio and the discount to book, one of our main objectives over the years is to continue resolving our loans and actually working on decreasing our leverage until we start originating again.
Blake Johnson: Good morning, Marissa. This is Blake. Thank you for the question today. Yes, when we look at our portfolio and the discount to book, one of our main objectives over the years is to continue resolving our loans and actually working on decreasing our leverage until we start originating again. We do plan on returning to originations later in the year, and that is our focus for 2026.
Blake Johnson: Good morning, Marissa. This is Blake. Thank you for the question today. Yes, when we look at our portfolio and the discount to book, one of our main objectives over the years is to continue resolving our loans and actually working on decreasing our leverage until we start originating again. We do plan on returning to originations later in the year, and that is our focus for 2026.
Speaker #5: We do plan on returning to Originations later in the year and that is our focus for 2026.
Speaker #7: Okay. And on the CISO reserve build, how are you viewing the current reserve position and the likelihood for further reserve build? How are current macroeconomic assumptions factoring into that?
[Analyst] (UBS): Okay. And on the CECL reserve build, how are you viewing the current reserve position and the likelihood for further reserve build? How are current macro economic assumptions factoring into that?
Marissa Lobo: Okay. And on the CECL reserve build, how are you viewing the current reserve position and the likelihood for further reserve build? How are current macro economic assumptions factoring into that?
Speaker #5: Oh, that's a very good question. Thank you. Yeah, so as of year-end, we go through our CISO process as in every quarter end. And when we went through the process, we update the general reserve for the latest and greatest economic forecasts in our truck model.
Blake Johnson: Oh, that's a very good question. Thank you. Yeah, so as of year-end, we go through our CECL process as of, as in every quarter-end. When we went through the process, we update the general reserve for the latest and greatest economic forecast in our TREP model. So that includes a change in assumptions, and the biggest driver for this quarter was a decrease in the CRE price index. These forecasts can change going forward, so the general reserve could change. But as of right now, that is the most recent assumption as far as what our general reserve should be. Moving to the actual specific reserve, that is based on our collateral-dependent loans. So as of quarter-end, we had four collateral-dependent loans. In each quarter-end, we assess what the fair value of the underlying collateral is.
Blake Johnson: Oh, that's a very good question. Thank you. Yeah, so as of year-end, we go through our CECL process as of, as in every quarter-end. When we went through the process, we update the general reserve for the latest and greatest economic forecast in our TREP model. So that includes a change in assumptions, and the biggest driver for this quarter was a decrease in the CRE price index. These forecasts can change going forward, so the general reserve could change. But as of right now, that is the most recent assumption as far as what our general reserve should be. Moving to the actual specific reserve, that is based on our collateral-dependent loans. So as of quarter-end, we had four collateral-dependent loans. In each quarter-end, we assess what the fair value of the underlying collateral is.
Speaker #5: So that includes a change in assumptions and the biggest driver for this quarter was a decrease in the CRE price index. These forecasts can change going forward.
Speaker #5: So the general reserve could change. But as of right now, that is the most recent assumption as far as what our general reserve should be.
Speaker #5: Moving to the actual specific reserve, that is based on our collateral dependent loans. So as of quarter end, we had four collateral dependent loans.
Speaker #5: In each quarter end, we assess with a fair value of the underlying collateral is. So absent any changes in the collateral itself, we do believe we are appropriately reserved for on those loans.
Blake Johnson: So absent any changes in the collateral itself, we do believe we are appropriately reserved for on those loans.
Blake Johnson: So absent any changes in the collateral itself, we do believe we are appropriately reserved for on those loans.
Speaker #7: Okay. Thank you. Appreciate the answers.
[Analyst] (UBS): Okay. Thank you. Appreciate the answers.
Marissa Lobo: Okay. Thank you. Appreciate the answers.
Speaker #6: Our next question is from Jade Rahmani with KBW.
Stephen Alpart: Our next question is from Jade Rahmani with KBW.
Stephen Alpart: Our next question is from Jade Rahmani with KBW.
Speaker #5: Thank you very much. Do you have any views as to where book value per share may trough in this cycle? It's down quite sharply year over year and quarter over quarter.
Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much. Do you have any views as to where book value per share may trough in this cycle? It's down quite sharply year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter, which clearly, based on today's stock performance, is a surprise. So can you just comment as to, you know, what your expectations are for the risk of future losses going forward?
Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much. Do you have any views as to where book value per share may trough in this cycle? It's down quite sharply year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter, which clearly, based on today's stock performance, is a surprise. So can you just comment as to, you know, what your expectations are for the risk of future losses going forward?
Speaker #5: Which clearly, based on today's stock performance, is a surprise. So can you just comment as to what your expectations are for the risk of future losses going forward?
Speaker #8: Well, I'll address that first and then turn it over to Steve to talk about credit migration. We believe that there's a risk that there will be upgrades and downgrades and future losses may be part of that, right?
Blake Johnson: Well, I'll address that first and then turn it over to Steve to talk about credit migration. We believe that there's a risk that there will be upgrades and downgrades, and future losses may be part of that, right? We don't—we've assessed that risk in our book today, and that's embedded in the reserves that we have, both the general reserves and the specific reserves. With respect to credit migration, maybe Steve, you would like to speak to that. But I've been very clear over the quarters, I don't believe it's over in terms of workouts and delinquencies for the home industry and not for us. And there have been some surprises to us, and we expect to have some upgrades and some downgrades.
Blake Johnson: Well, I'll address that first and then turn it over to Steve to talk about credit migration. We believe that there's a risk that there will be upgrades and downgrades, and future losses may be part of that, right? We don't—we've assessed that risk in our book today, and that's embedded in the reserves that we have, both the general reserves and the specific reserves. With respect to credit migration, maybe Steve, you would like to speak to that. But I've been very clear over the quarters, I don't believe it's over in terms of workouts and delinquencies for the home industry and not for us. And there have been some surprises to us, and we expect to have some upgrades and some downgrades.
Speaker #8: We've assessed that risk in our book today and that's embedded in the reserves that we have, both the general reserves and the specific reserves.
Speaker #8: With respect to credit migration—maybe, Steve, you would like to speak to that. But I've been very clear over the quarters: I don't believe it's over in terms of workouts and delinquencies, for the whole industry and not for us.
Speaker #8: And there have been some prizes to us. And we expect to have some upgrades and some downgrades. Steve, if you want to elaborate or maybe I set everything you were going to say.
Blake Johnson: Steve, if you want to elaborate, or maybe I said everything you were going to?
Blake Johnson: Steve, if you want to elaborate, or maybe I said everything you were going to?
Stephen Alpart: You know, hey, Jade, good morning. It's Steve. I think Jack and Blake covered it pretty well. I mean, I would just say that we feel that the majority of the portfolio is performing well. We are working through these remaining loan resolutions, which are not entirely, but heavily in the office sector, and the impact of the rate hike that we went through. We're pleased with the progress we've had to date. We had a lot of resolutions in 2024. We had 5 more in 2025. We're in process on a couple more right now.
Stephen Alpart: You know, hey, Jade, good morning. It's Steve. I think Jack and Blake covered it pretty well. I mean, I would just say that we feel that the majority of the portfolio is performing well. We are working through these remaining loan resolutions, which are not entirely, but heavily in the office sector, and the impact of the rate hike that we went through. We're pleased with the progress we've had to date. We had a lot of resolutions in 2024. We had 5 more in 2025. We're in process on a couple more right now.
Speaker #3: Hey, Jade, good morning. It's Steve. I think Jack and Blake covered it pretty well. I mean, I would just say that we feel that the majority of the portfolio was performing well.
Speaker #3: We are working through these remaining loan resolutions, which are not entirely, but heavily in the office sector. And the impact of the rate hike that we went through.
Speaker #3: We're pleased with the progress we've had to date. We had a lot of resolutions in '24. We had five more in 2025. We're in process on a couple more right now.
Speaker #3: We just talked about the Chicago deal where we had the partial resolution of the office and we're working on the full resolution, which involves the retail, which we think can get done in the near term.
Stephen Alpart: We just talked about the Chicago deal, where we had the partial resolution of the office, and we're working on the full resolution, which involves the retail, which we think can get done in the near term. We did have 2 new fives during the quarter. So there's always a possibility that there could be more of that.... But we also hope to have more resolutions, some upgrades, and we are happy to see that we are in a constructive environment as far as capital, certainly debt, also increasingly equity. And we think that'll be helpful on further repayments and resolutions.
Stephen Alpart: We just talked about the Chicago deal, where we had the partial resolution of the office, and we're working on the full resolution, which involves the retail, which we think can get done in the near term. We did have 2 new fives during the quarter. So there's always a possibility that there could be more of that.... But we also hope to have more resolutions, some upgrades, and we are happy to see that we are in a constructive environment as far as capital, certainly debt, also increasingly equity. And we think that'll be helpful on further repayments and resolutions.
Speaker #3: We did have two new fives during the quarter, so there's always the possibility that there could be more of that. But we also hope to have more resolutions, some upgrades, and we are happy to see that we are in a constructive environment as far as capital—certainly debt, also increasingly equity.
Speaker #3: And we think that'll be helpful on further repayments and resolutions.
Speaker #9: And just overall, when you look at the portfolio, clearly the portfolio has a legacy vintage prior to the Fed rate hikes. So nearly every single loan in the portfolio is going to have probably some cost of capital issue.
Jade Rahmani: Just overall, when you look at the portfolio, clearly the portfolio has a legacy vintage prior to the Fed rate hikes. Nearly every single loan in the portfolio is going to have probably some cost of capital issue when it's up for maturity. Then looking beyond that, multifamily was an area of downgrade this quarter, which was so much surprising. Can you comment on the vintage, the multifamily property type, and what your expectations are there?
Jade Rahmani: Just overall, when you look at the portfolio, clearly the portfolio has a legacy vintage prior to the Fed rate hikes. Nearly every single loan in the portfolio is going to have probably some cost of capital issue when it's up for maturity. Then looking beyond that, multifamily was an area of downgrade this quarter, which was so much surprising. Can you comment on the vintage, the multifamily property type, and what your expectations are there?
Speaker #9: When it's up for maturity. But then looking beyond that multifamily, was an area of downgrade this quarter, which was so much surprising. So can you comment on the vintage and the multifamily property type and what your expectations are there?
Speaker #3: Sure. I think there are two related questions in there. So, we are working through these loans, including the older vintage loans. We have pretty good visibility, I would say, on about a quarter of these loans.
Stephen Alpart: Sure. I think there's 2, 2 related questions in there. So we are working through these, these loans, including these kind of older vintage loans. We have pretty good visibility, I would say, on about a quarter of these loans, in terms of a near-term payoff, where there's a process underway, and we're expecting a loan repayment. I would say there's another, I don't know, call it 40% or so, if I had to kind of take an estimate where there's an upcoming maturity. We have communicated to the borrower, that we expect an exit this year by the maturity date. And there may be a refi or a recap or a sale process that's underway or expected.
Stephen Alpart: Sure. I think there's 2, 2 related questions in there. So we are working through these, these loans, including these kind of older vintage loans. We have pretty good visibility, I would say, on about a quarter of these loans, in terms of a near-term payoff, where there's a process underway, and we're expecting a loan repayment. I would say there's another, I don't know, call it 40% or so, if I had to kind of take an estimate where there's an upcoming maturity. We have communicated to the borrower, that we expect an exit this year by the maturity date. And there may be a refi or a recap or a sale process that's underway or expected.
Speaker #3: In terms of a near-term payoff where there's a process underway and we're expecting a loan repayment. I would say there's another call it 40% or so if I had to kind of take an estimate where there's an upcoming maturity we have communicated to the borrower that we expect an exit this year by the maturity date.
Speaker #3: And there may be a refi or a recap or a sale process that's underway or expected. And we certainly can't say that all those will get done, but we have some visibility on those that we think that there's a process that there's an exit out of.
Stephen Alpart: And we certainly can't say that all those will get done, but we have, you know, some visibility on those that we think that there's a process, that there's an exit out of. And then there's another, you know, call it about 1/3 or so, where there are a couple of 2027 and 2028 maturities. And then I would throw in the Minneapolis office deal that are a little bit further out. So I would say we're kind of chipping away at it, and some have near-term visibility, some we're expecting and pushing on, and then, and then a few will be, you know, kind of 2027 and 2028. Then as far as your question on multifamily, the multifamily in our portfolio, we feel, we feel pretty good about.
Stephen Alpart: And we certainly can't say that all those will get done, but we have, you know, some visibility on those that we think that there's a process, that there's an exit out of. And then there's another, you know, call it about 1/3 or so, where there are a couple of 2027 and 2028 maturities. And then I would throw in the Minneapolis office deal that are a little bit further out. So I would say we're kind of chipping away at it, and some have near-term visibility, some we're expecting and pushing on, and then, and then a few will be, you know, kind of 2027 and 2028. Then as far as your question on multifamily, the multifamily in our portfolio, we feel, we feel pretty good about.
Speaker #3: And then there's another, call it about a third or so, where there are a couple of 2027 and 2028 maturities. And then I would throw in the Minneapolis office deal that are a little bit further out.
Speaker #3: So I would say we're kind of chipping away at it. And some have near-term visibility, some we're expecting and pushing on, and then a few will be kind of '27 and '28.
Speaker #3: Then, as far as your question on multifamily, the multifamily in our portfolio, we feel pretty good about. We did have the credit migration on the Atlanta deal, and we have talked about certain markets that we're looking at and we have kind of flagged.
Stephen Alpart: We did have the credit migration on the Atlanta deal, and we have talked about certain markets that we're looking at, and we have kind of flagged, in the past, Atlanta. So I would say that one for us, has been a bit of an exception. So and that one has some unique factors that we can talk about, but I think the overall trend line that we're seeing, including in the Sun Belt, is that I think the recovery that we were all expecting has been a little bit more sluggish, and you see that in the read-through on some of the public multifamily REITs. The spring leasing season last year was a little slower than expected. But the supply picture overall is improving.
Stephen Alpart: We did have the credit migration on the Atlanta deal, and we have talked about certain markets that we're looking at, and we have kind of flagged, in the past, Atlanta. So I would say that one for us, has been a bit of an exception. So and that one has some unique factors that we can talk about, but I think the overall trend line that we're seeing, including in the Sun Belt, is that I think the recovery that we were all expecting has been a little bit more sluggish, and you see that in the read-through on some of the public multifamily REITs. The spring leasing season last year was a little slower than expected. But the supply picture overall is improving.
Speaker #3: In the past, Atlanta. So I would say that one for us has been a bit of an exception. So and that one has some unique factors that we can talk about, but I think the overall trend line that we're seeing, including in the Sunbelt, is that I think the recovery that we were all expecting has been a little bit more sluggish.
Speaker #3: And you see that in the read-through on some of the public multifamily REITs. The spring leasing season last year was a little slower than expected.
Speaker #3: But the supply picture overall is improving. There hasn't been a lot of pricing power for landlords, but when we sit back and look at macro supply and demand, it feels like over the second half of this year and kind of going forward, we feel like the trend line in multifamily is fairly positive.
Stephen Alpart: There hasn't been a lot of pricing power for landlords, but, you know, when we sit back and look at macro supply and demand, it feels like, you know, over the second half of this year and kind of going forward, we feel like the trend line in multifamily, you know, is fairly positive. And there's obviously a lot of liquidity in the asset class, and the sentiment coming out of the NMHC this year was very positive. So overall, on multifamily, overall and in our book, we feel pretty good about it, medium to longer term.
Stephen Alpart: There hasn't been a lot of pricing power for landlords, but, you know, when we sit back and look at macro supply and demand, it feels like, you know, over the second half of this year and kind of going forward, we feel like the trend line in multifamily, you know, is fairly positive. And there's obviously a lot of liquidity in the asset class, and the sentiment coming out of the NMHC this year was very positive. So overall, on multifamily, overall and in our book, we feel pretty good about it, medium to longer term.
Speaker #3: And there's obviously a lot of liquidity in the asset class. And the sentiment coming out of the NMHC this year was very positive. So overall on multifamily overall and in our book, we feel pretty good about it, medium to longer term.
Speaker #9: Thank you.
Jade Rahmani: Thank you.
Jade Rahmani: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Jade.
Stephen Alpart: Thank you, Jade.
Stephen Alpart: Thank you, Jade.
Speaker #9: Our next question is from Chris Muller with Citizens Capital.
Operator: Our next question is from Chris Mullen with Citizens Capital.
Operator: Our next question is from Chris Mullen with Citizens Capital.
Speaker #10: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. So, I guess starting on the portfolio—it's been shrinking as you guys have been focused on asset management, but it sounds like new origination starting up is still the expectation for later this year.
Chris Muller: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. So I guess starting on the portfolio, it's been shrinking as you guys have been focused on asset management, but sounds like new origination starting up is still the expectation for later this year. So I guess the question is: Do you guys have a ballpark of where the portfolio size could trough? And maybe kind of playing into that a little bit is, what do scheduled maturities look like in the first half of this year, in addition to what you guys already disclosed?
Chris Muller: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. So I guess starting on the portfolio, it's been shrinking as you guys have been focused on asset management, but sounds like new origination starting up is still the expectation for later this year. So I guess the question is: Do you guys have a ballpark of where the portfolio size could trough? And maybe kind of playing into that a little bit is, what do scheduled maturities look like in the first half of this year, in addition to what you guys already disclosed?
Speaker #10: So I guess the question is, do you guys have a ballpark of where the portfolio size could trough? And maybe kind of playing into that a little bit, is what is scheduled maturities look like in the first half of this year in addition to what you guys already disclosed?
Speaker #3: Hey, Chris. It's Steve. So just high-level, on the first part of your question, look, just given the near-term focus on repayments and resolutions, we do expect the portfolio to tick down through mid-2026.
Stephen Alpart: Hey, Chris, it's Steve. So just high level, on the first part of your question, is look, just given the near-term focus on repayments and resolutions, we do expect the portfolio to tick down through mid-2026, and then begin to restabilize and regrow in the latter part of the year. Ultimately, that will depend on the timing of repayments and resolutions relative to new originations, but it will get a little lower over the next few quarters and then begin to regrow.
Stephen Alpart: Hey, Chris, it's Steve. So just high level, on the first part of your question, is look, just given the near-term focus on repayments and resolutions, we do expect the portfolio to tick down through mid-2026, and then begin to restabilize and regrow in the latter part of the year. Ultimately, that will depend on the timing of repayments and resolutions relative to new originations, but it will get a little lower over the next few quarters and then begin to regrow.
Speaker #3: And then begin to restabilize and regrow in the latter part of the year. Ultimately, that will depend on the timing of repayments and resolutions relative to new originations, but it will get a little lower over the next few quarters and then begin to regrow.
Speaker #9: Got it. And any visibility you guys have on scheduled maturities that may play into that?
Chris Muller: Got it. And any visibility you guys have on scheduled maturities that may play into that?
Chris Muller: Got it. And any visibility you guys have on scheduled maturities that may play into that?
Stephen Alpart: Yeah, I mean, a part of that's what I just mentioned to Jay, that we have, we do have visibility on, certain loans that are coming up on maturity. As we kind of look out, you know, I'm, I'm kind of looking out into, into, into 2026 overall. Some of these will just pay off in the normal course. A couple will extend as of right, which has happened on some loans recently. Then to the extent, and then we have other loans that I mentioned are, not up for maturity yet, but they're up, you know, kind of call it, you know, third, fourth quarter. You know, we're in anticipation of that.
Speaker #3: Yeah. I mean, part of that's what I just mentioned to Jade, that we have we do have visibility on certain loans that are coming up on maturity.
Stephen Alpart: Yeah, I mean, a part of that's what I just mentioned to Jay, that we have, we do have visibility on, certain loans that are coming up on maturity. As we kind of look out, you know, I'm, I'm kind of looking out into, into, into 2026 overall. Some of these will just pay off in the normal course. A couple will extend as of right, which has happened on some loans recently. Then to the extent, and then we have other loans that I mentioned are, not up for maturity yet, but they're up, you know, kind of call it, you know, third, fourth quarter. You know, we're in anticipation of that.
Speaker #3: As we kind of look out, I'm kind of looking out into 2026 overall. Some of these will just pay off in the normal course.
Speaker #3: A couple will extend as of right, which has happened on some loans recently. Then to the extent—and then we have other loans that I mentioned, which are not up for maturity yet, but they're up, kind of, call it third, fourth quarter.
Speaker #3: And we're in anticipation of that. We are having conversations with a number of borrowers that we've done previous extensions on where they've done everything right, where they put new money in.
Stephen Alpart: We are having conversations with a number of borrowers that we've done previous extensions on, where they've done everything right, where they put new money in. And we are looking to get the portfolio turned. So we're having clear communications with borrowers about our expectations, and if they can't do it via a refi, do it via an equity recap, do it via a sale. So that's been kind of the playbook. Look, case by case, we have extended out loans in win-win mod situations, but we feel like that was the playbook the last couple of years, and we're trying to move past that and get to just turning the portfolio.
Stephen Alpart: We are having conversations with a number of borrowers that we've done previous extensions on, where they've done everything right, where they put new money in. And we are looking to get the portfolio turned. So we're having clear communications with borrowers about our expectations, and if they can't do it via a refi, do it via an equity recap, do it via a sale. So that's been kind of the playbook. Look, case by case, we have extended out loans in win-win mod situations, but we feel like that was the playbook the last couple of years, and we're trying to move past that and get to just turning the portfolio.
Speaker #3: And we are looking to get the portfolio turned. So we're having clear communications with borrowers about our expectations and if they can't do it via a refi, do it via an equity recap, do it via a sale.
Speaker #3: So that's been kind of the playbook. And look, case by case, we have extended out loans in win-win mod situations, but we feel like that was the playbook the last couple of years, and we're trying to move past that and get to just turning the portfolio.
Speaker #9: Got it. And then just a quick clarifying one. Did I hear you guys correctly that there were two new five-rated loans in the quarter?
Chris Muller: Got it. And then just a quick clarifying one. Did I hear you guys correctly, that there were two new five-rated loans in the quarter? I see the Georgia multifamily in the deck, but, what was the other one, if I heard that right?
Chris Muller: Got it. And then just a quick clarifying one. Did I hear you guys correctly, that there were two new five-rated loans in the quarter? I see the Georgia multifamily in the deck, but, what was the other one, if I heard that right?
Speaker #9: I see the Georgia multifamily in the deck, but what was the other one, if I heard that right?
Stephen Alpart: There is 1, there's 1 new 5-rated loan.
Speaker #3: There's one new five-rated loan.
Stephen Alpart: There is 1, there's 1 new 5-rated loan.
Speaker #9: Got it. So I just misunderstood. Thanks for taking the question, Siddhesh.
Chris Muller: Got it. So I just misunderstood. Thanks for taking the question, Sedas.
Chris Muller: Got it. So I just misunderstood. Thanks for taking the question, Sedas.
Speaker #3: Yeah, it is the Georgia multifamily. Correct.
Stephen Alpart: Yeah, it is the Georgia multifamily. Correct.
Stephen Alpart: Yeah, it is the Georgia multifamily. Correct.
Speaker #9: Got it. Thank you.
Chris Muller: Got it. Thank you.
Chris Muller: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Chris.
Stephen Alpart: Thank you, Chris.
Stephen Alpart: Thank you, Chris.
Speaker #9: Our next question is from Gabe Pogie with Raymond James.
Operator: Our next question is from Gabe Pogy with Raymond James.
Operator: Our next question is from Gabe Pogy with Raymond James.
Speaker #10: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I may have missed this before, but can you tell us what the two sectors were and any details around the repayments you received year to date?
Gabe Poggi: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I may have missed this before, but can you tell us what the two sectors were and any details around the repayments you received year to date in one thus far this year in 2026?
Gabe Poggi: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I may have missed this before, but can you tell us what the two sectors were and any details around the repayments you received year to date in one thus far this year in 2026?
Speaker #10: In one thus far this year in '26?
Speaker #11: Well, hey, Steve, maybe I can just lead in on that for a moment and I would say that it's a retail, a multifamily, and importantly, I want to point out relating to an earlier question.
Jack Taylor: Well, hey, Steve, maybe I can just lead in on that for a moment, and I'd- I would say that it's a retail, a multifamily, and importantly, I wanna point out, relating to an earlier question, these were vintage loans that, you know, had gone, you know, through the COVID period and the higher interest rate period and paid off at par.
Jack Taylor: Well, hey, Steve, maybe I can just lead in on that for a moment, and I'd- I would say that it's a retail, a multifamily, and importantly, I wanna point out, relating to an earlier question, these were vintage loans that, you know, had gone, you know, through the COVID period and the higher interest rate period and paid off at par.
Speaker #11: Now, these were vintage loans. It had gone through the COVID period and the higher interest rate period and paid off at par.
Speaker #10: Thank you.
Gabe Poggi: Thank you.
Gabe Poggi: Thank you.
Speaker #9: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to hand the floor back over to Jack Hill for any closing points.
Operator: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to hand it back over to Jack Taylor for any closing comments.
Operator: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to hand it back over to Jack Taylor for any closing comments.
Speaker #11: Thank you. I just wanted to elaborate on something that was said earlier, which is the portfolio will shrink as we said, but we have many tools to regrow the portfolio.
Jack Taylor: Thank you. I just wanted to elaborate on something that was said earlier, which is the portfolio will shrink, as we said, but I think we have many tools to regrow the portfolio through our loan repayments and resolutions, releasing capital, our REO, which will extract capital. We'll be repaying our higher cost debt and then rebuilding with an originations team that has been intact from when we were originating at $1.5 to 2 billion a year. We have a lot of tools to re-leverage our balance sheet internally through the assets as they move from lower-level assets, you know, the vintage loans that are being carried at lower leverage, to the new loans that we add.
Jack Taylor: Thank you. I just wanted to elaborate on something that was said earlier, which is the portfolio will shrink, as we said, but I think we have many tools to regrow the portfolio through our loan repayments and resolutions, releasing capital, our REO, which will extract capital. We'll be repaying our higher cost debt and then rebuilding with an originations team that has been intact from when we were originating at $1.5 to 2 billion a year. We have a lot of tools to re-leverage our balance sheet internally through the assets as they move from lower-level assets, you know, the vintage loans that are being carried at lower leverage, to the new loans that we add.
Speaker #11: Through our loan repayments and resolutions, releasing capital, our REO, which will extract capital will be repaying our higher cost debt. And then rebuilding with an originations team that has been intact from when we were originating at one and a half to $2 billion a year.
Speaker #11: And we have a lot of tools to re-leverage our balance sheet internally through the assets as they move from lower level assets of the vintage loans that are being carried at lower leverage to the new loans that we
Speaker #1: And , and that we also excuse me . Can move into close and the like and source capital as we've done in the past successfully to bring our lower leverage of 1.7 closer back to our target leverage and to start repairing our earnings Thank you for your time And I just want to welcome I say thank you , everybody for joining us for the call .
Jack Taylor: And that we also, excuse me, can move into CLOs and the like, and source capital, as we've done in the past, successfully, to bring our lower leverage of 1.7 closer back to our target leverage and to start repairing our earnings. Thank you for your time. And I just want to welcome—say thank you, everybody, for joining us for the call, and we look forward to speaking to you next quarter with further information and positive resolution news.
Jack Taylor: And that we also, excuse me, can move into CLOs and the like, and source capital, as we've done in the past, successfully, to bring our lower leverage of 1.7 closer back to our target leverage and to start repairing our earnings. Thank you for your time. And I just want to welcome—say thank you, everybody, for joining us for the call, and we look forward to speaking to you next quarter with further information and positive resolution news.
Speaker #1: And we look forward to speaking to you next quarter with further information and positive resolution news
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