Q4 2025 BGC Group Earnings Call

February 12, 2026

Speaker #1: Greetings and welcome to the BGC Group, fourth quarter, full year 2025 earnings call. All participants at this time, all participants are on the listen-only mode.

Speaker #1: A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

Speaker #1: It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Jason Chryssicas, head of investor relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker #2: Hello, everyone. This morning, we issued BGC's fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results, which can be found at ir.bgcg.com. Any historical results provided on today's call compare only the fourth quarter of 2025 with the prior year period, unless otherwise stated.

Jason Chryssicas: Hello, everyone. This morning we issued BGC's Q4 and full year 2025 financial results, which can be found at ir.bgcg.com. Any historical results provided on today's call compare only the Q4 of 2025 with the prior year period, unless otherwise stated. All references to record and/or strongest results are compared to BGC's standalone financial results, excluding Newmark, prior to the spin-off in November 2018. We will be referring to our results on a non-GAAP basis, which include the terms adjusted earnings and adjusted EBITDA. Please refer to today's investor materials on our website for additional details on our financial results and for complete and updated definitions of any non-GAAP terms, reconciliations of these items to the corresponding GAAP results, and how, when, and why management uses them, as well as relevant industry and economic statistics.

Speaker #2: All references to record and/or strongest results are compared to BGC's standalone financial results, excluding Newmark prior to the spinoff in November 2018. We will be referring to our results on a non-GAAP basis, which include the terms adjusted earnings and adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker #2: Please refer to today's investor materials on our website for additional details on our financial results and for complete and updated definitions of any non-GAAP terms reconciliations of these items to the corresponding GAAP results.

Speaker #2: And how, when, and why management uses them as well as relevant industry and economic statistics. The outlook discussed today assumes no material acquisitions or dispositions.

Jason Chryssicas: The outlook discussed today assumes no material acquisitions or dispositions. Our expectations are subject to change based on various macroeconomic, social, political, and/or other factors. Information on this call contains forward-looking statements, including without limitation, statements about our economic outlook and business. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause our actual results to differ from expectations. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. For information on factors that could cause actual results to differ from forward-looking statements and a complete discussion of risks and other factors that may impact these forward-looking statements, see our SEC filings, including but not limited to, the risk factors and disclosures within these SEC documents. With that, I am now happy to turn the call over to Sean Windeatt, Co-Chief Executive Officer of BGC Group.

Speaker #2: Our expectations are subject to change based on various macroeconomic social, political, and/or other factors. Information on this call can be forward-looking statements including without limitation statements about our economic outlook and business.

Speaker #2: These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause our actual results to differ from expectations. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.

Speaker #2: For information on factors that could cause actual results to differ from forward-looking statements, and a complete discussion of risks and other factors that may impact these forward-looking statements, see our SEC filings, including but not limited to the risk factors and disclosures within these sec documents.

Speaker #2: With that, I am now happy to turn the call over to Sean Windeatt, Co-Chief Executive Officer of BGC Group.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Jason. Good morning and welcome to our fourth quarter and full year 2025 conference call. With me today are my fellow Co-Chief Executive Officers, John Abularrage ge and JPO Ban.

Sean Windeatt: Thank you, Jason. Good morning, and welcome to our Q4 and full year 2025 conference call. With me today are my fellow Co-Chief Executive Officers, John Abularrage and JP Aubin, along with our Chief Financial Officer, Jason Hauf. BGC delivered record-breaking revenues for both Q4 and full year 2025, with increases of 32% and 30%, respectively. This strong growth extended across all asset classes and geographies, driven by double-digit organic growth and our acquisition of OTC. We achieved the strongest annual results in our history, with revenues approaching $3 billion and EPS growing by 24% under GAAP and 19% for adjusted earnings. We significantly expanded our market share, completed our second-largest acquisition, and became the world's largest energy broker.

Speaker #3: Along with our Chief Financial Officer, Jason Hauf. BGC delivered record-breaking revenues for both fourth quarter and full year 2025. With increases of 32% and 30% respectively.

Speaker #3: This strong growth extended across all asset classes and geographies, driven by double-digit organic growth and our acquisition of OTC. We achieved the strongest annual results in our history with revenues approaching $3 billion and EPS growing by 24% under GAAP and 19% for adjusted earnings.

Speaker #3: We significantly expanded our market share, completed our second largest acquisition, and became the world's largest energy broker. We completed the first phase of our cost reduction program that will realize $25 million of annualized savings in 2026, with further cost savings targeted throughout the year.

Sean Windeatt: We completed the first phase of our cost reduction program that will realize $25 million of annualized savings in 2026, with further cost savings targeted throughout the year. FMX produced another record year with our FMX UST business ending 2025 with a 40% market share. Our FMX futures exchange continued its rapid growth, with SOFR Futures average daily volumes and open interest increasing 82% and 97%, respectively, from the previous quarter. This strong momentum has continued into 2026, with volumes, open interest, and market share all setting new daily highs. Three years ago, on our Q4 2022 earnings call, we declared BGC a growth company once again.

Speaker #3: FMX produced another record year with our FMX UST business ending 2025 with a 40% market share. Our FMX futures exchange continued its rapid growth with Sopra Futures average daily volumes and open interest increasing 82% and 97% respectively from the previous quarter.

Speaker #3: This strong momentum has continued into 2026 with volumes, open interest, and market share all setting new daily highs. Three years ago, on our fourth quarter 2022 earnings call, we declared BGC a growth company once again.

Speaker #3: Since then, we produced 13% revenue growth in 2023, 12% in '24, 30% in 2025, and have now guided 34% growth for the first quarter of 2026 at the midpoint of guidance.

Sean Windeatt: Since then, we produced 13% revenue growth in 2023, 12% in 2024, 30% in 2025, and have now guided 34% growth for Q1 2026 at the midpoint of guidance. Our revenues have increased from $1.8 billion in 2022 to nearly $3 billion this year. Over the same period, our adjusted EPS has risen by 71% to $1.18 per share. We have become the largest ECS broker globally, diversified our customer base, and introduced competition to the US interest rate futures market. We believe our company is stronger than ever and perfectly positioned for continued success as we move into 2026, with the year already off to a record-breaking start.

Speaker #3: Our revenues have increased from $1.8 billion in 2022 to nearly $3 billion this year. Over the same period, our adjusted EPS has risen by 71% to $1.18 per share.

Speaker #3: We have become the largest ECS broker globally. Diversified our customer base and introduced competition to the US interest rate futures market. We believe our company is stronger than ever and perfectly positioned for continued success as we move into 2026 with the year already off to a record-breaking start.

Speaker #3: With that, I'd like to turn the call over to John to go over the quarterly results of the business in more detail.

Sean Windeatt: With that, I'd like to turn the call over to John to go over the quarterly results of the business in more detail.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Sean. We delivered record fourth quarter revenues of $756.4 million a 32.2% increase versus last year. Excluding our acquisition of OTC, revenues were $641.9 million, up 12.2%, which also would have been a fourth quarter record.

John Abularrage: Thank you, Sean. We delivered record fourth quarter revenues of $756.4 million, a 32.2% increase versus last year. Excluding our acquisition of OTC, revenues were $641.9 million, up 12.2%, which also would have been a fourth quarter record. Our total brokerage revenues grew by 34.6% to $694.6 million, driven by growth across all asset classes. Our ECS revenues grew by 92% to $257.5 million, driven by OTC and strong organic growth across the broader energy complex and our shipping business. Excluding OTC, ECS revenues grew by 10% versus last year.

Speaker #2: Our total brokerage revenues grew by 34.6% to $694.6 million, driven by growth across all asset classes. Our ECS revenues grew by 92% to $257.5 million, driven by OTC and strong organic growth across the broader energy complex and our shipping business.

Speaker #2: Excluding OTC, ECS revenues grew by 10% versus last year. Rates revenues increased 16.4% to $197.4 million, reflecting strong double-digit growth in G10 interest rate products, emerging market, and repo products.

John Abularrage: Rates revenues increased 16.4% to $197.4 million, reflecting strong double-digit growth in G10 interest rate products, emerging market, and repo products. Foreign exchange revenues were up 9.8% to $102.8 million, primarily due to strong growth in emerging market currencies and G10 FX forward volumes. Credit revenues increased by 3% to $64.3 million, driven by higher emerging market and European credit volumes. Equities grew by 29% to $72.7 million, reflecting global equity volatility and strong market share gains. Data, network, and post-trade revenues grew by 14.2% to $36.7 million, excluding Capitalab, which we sold in Q4 2024. This growth was driven by Lucera and Fenics Market Data.

Speaker #2: Foreign exchange revenues were up 9.8% to $102.8 million, primarily due to strong growth in emerging market currencies and G10 FX forward volumes. Credit revenues increased by 3% to $64.3 million.

Speaker #2: Driven by higher emerging market and European credit volumes. Equities grew by 29% to $72.7 million, reflecting global equity volatility and strong market share gains.

Speaker #2: Data network and post-trade revenues grew by 14.2% to $36.7 million. Excluding capital lab, which we sold in the fourth quarter of 2024. This growth was driven by Lucera and FedEx market data.

Speaker #2: Including capital lab, data network and post-trade revenues grew by 12.5%. Now turning to FedEx. In the fourth quarter, FedEx revenues increased by 15.4% to a fourth quarter record of $163.9 million.

John Abularrage: Including Capitalab, data, network, and post-trade revenues grew by 12.5%. Now turning to FENICS. In the fourth quarter, FENICS revenues increased by 15.4% to a fourth quarter record of $163.9 million. FENICS Markets generated revenues of $136.7 million, an increase of 15.1%. This growth was primarily driven by higher electronic volumes across rates, products, and increased FENICS Market Data revenues. On 31 December 2025, we sold our KACE business for up to $119 million, or 28 times post-tax profits. FENICS Growth Platforms revenues grew $27.2 million, an 18.9% increase, excluding Capitalab, driven by strong, strong revenue growth in FMX and Lucera.

Speaker #2: FedEx markets generated revenues of $136.7 million. An increase of 15.1%. This growth was primarily driven by higher electronic volumes across rates products and increased FedEx market data revenues.

Speaker #2: On December 31st, 2025, we sold our case business for up to $119 million. Or $28 times post-tax profits. FedEx growth platforms revenues grew 27.2 million.

Speaker #2: An 18.9% increase excluding Capitalab, driven by strong revenue growth in FMX and Lucera. Including Capitalab, which we sold in the fourth quarter last year, FedEx Growth Platforms revenues increased by 16.5%.

John Abularrage: Including Capitalab, which we sold in the Q4 last year, Fenics Growth Platforms revenues increased by 16.5%. FMX UST generated record Q4 average daily volume of $58.7 billion, more than 12% higher compared to last year, and outpacing all electronic US Treasury platforms. This strong growth drove market share to a record 39% for the Q4, up from 37% last quarter and 30% a year ago. FMX UST market share has increased sequentially in 12 of the last 13 quarters, more than doubling over the same period. FMX Futures Exchange saw record volumes in open interest in the Q4, with ADV and open interest increasing 82% and 97% respectively versus the Q3.

Speaker #2: FMX UST generated a record fourth quarter average daily volume of $58.7 billion, which is more than 12% higher compared to last year and outpaces all electronic U.S. Treasury platforms.

Speaker #2: This strong growth drove market share to a record 39% for the fourth quarter, up from 37% last quarter and 30% a year ago. FMX UST market share has increased sequentially in 12 of the last 13 quarters, more than doubling over the same period.

Speaker #2: FMX futures exchange saw record volumes and open interest in the fourth quarter, with ADV and open interest increasing 82% and 97% respectively versus the third quarter.

Speaker #2: This momentum has carried into 2026, where ADV was approximately $40,000 contracts in January, exceeding 1% market share for the first time and open interest ended with approximately $200,000 contracts, an all-time record.

John Abularrage: This momentum has carried into 2026, where ADV was approximately 40,000 contracts in January, exceeding 1% market share for the first time, and open interest ended with approximately 200,000 contracts, an all-time record. We remain ahead of where we were with our FMX UST platform, which today has approximately 40% market share. In our experience, achieving the first 1% market share is the hardest. We are increasingly excited about the progress we are seeing with our FMX Futures Exchange.

Speaker #2: We remain ahead of where we were with our FMX UST platform, which today has approximately 40% market share. In our experience, achieving the first 1% market share is the hardest.

Speaker #2: We are increasingly excited about the progress we are seeing with our FMX futures exchange. FMX FX ADV increased by 40% to a fourth quarter record 15.5 billion driven by strong growth across spot FX and non-deliverable forward volumes.

Sean Windeatt: ... FMX FX ADV increased by 40% to a Q4 record $15.5 billion, driven by strong growth across spot FX and non-deliverable forward volumes. The benefits of having 10 world-class partners in FMX is demonstrated by ADV, more than doubling since the completion of the FMX transaction. PortfolioMatch ADV grew by 68%, driven by stronger US and European credit activity, greater adoption of algorithmic trading, and larger average trade size. Our PortfolioMatch business has seen tremendous growth since its launch, and today we estimate it represents nearly 20% of the credit sweep market in the United States. Lucera, Fenics network business, providing critical real-time trading infrastructure to the capital markets, grew its revenues by 24.1%. This strong growth was driven by increased demand for Lucera's FX and rate solution, continued international expansion, and onboarding of new clients.

John Abularrage: ... FMX FX ADV increased by 40% to a Q4 record $15.5 billion, driven by strong growth across spot FX and non-deliverable forward volumes. The benefits of having 10 world-class partners in FMX is demonstrated by ADV, more than doubling since the completion of the FMX transaction. PortfolioMatch ADV grew by 68%, driven by stronger US and European credit activity, greater adoption of algorithmic trading, and larger average trade size. Our PortfolioMatch business has seen tremendous growth since its launch, and today we estimate it represents nearly 20% of the credit sweep market in the United States. Lucera, Fenics network business, providing critical real-time trading infrastructure to the capital markets, grew its revenues by 24.1%. This strong growth was driven by increased demand for Lucera's FX and rate solution, continued international expansion, and onboarding of new clients.

Speaker #2: The benefits of having 10 world-class partners in FMX is demonstrated by ADV more than doubling since the completion of the FMX transaction. Portfolio match ADV grew by 68%, driven by stronger U.S. and European credit activity, greater adoption of algorithmic trading, and larger average trade size.

Speaker #2: Our portfolio match business has seen tremendous growth since its launch and today we estimate it represents nearly 20% of the credit sweep market in the United States.

Speaker #2: Lucera FedEx network business providing critical real-time trading infrastructure to the capital markets. Grew its revenues by 24.1%. This strong growth was driven by increased demand for Lucera's FX and rate solution, continued international expansion, and onboarding of new clients.

Speaker #2: Lucera's client pipeline continues to expand and we plan to launch additional fixed income products in 2026. And with that, I would now like to turn the call over to Jason.

Sean Windeatt: Lucera's client pipeline continues to expand, and we plan to launch additional fixed-income products in 2026. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Jason.

John Abularrage: Lucera's client pipeline continues to expand, and we plan to launch additional fixed-income products in 2026. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Jason.

Speaker #3: Thank you, John. And hello, everyone. BGC generated record fourth quarter revenues of $756.4 million reflecting growth across all of our geographies. EMEA revenue increased by 39.2%.

Jason Hauf: Thank you, John, and hello, everyone. BGC generated record fourth quarter revenues of $756.4 million, reflecting growth across all of our geographies. EMEA revenue increased by 39.2%, Americas revenues increased by 25.7%, and Asia Pacific revenues increased by 24.2%. Turning to expenses. Compensation and employee benefits under GAAP and for adjusted earnings increased by 71.8% and 40.1%, respectively. The increase in compensation and employee benefits under GAAP was related to charges due to the cost reduction program, the acquisition of OTC, higher commissionable revenues, loan forgiveness, and the weaker US dollar. The increase in compensation and employee benefits for adjusted earnings was driven by OTC, higher commissionable revenues, and the weaker US dollar. Charges related to the cost reduction program and loan forgiveness are excluded from adjusted earnings.

Speaker #3: America's revenues increased by 25.7%. And Asia Pacific revenues increased by 24.2%. Turning to expenses. Compensation and employee benefits under GAAP and for adjusted earnings increased by 71.8% and 40.1% respectively.

Speaker #3: The increase in compensation and employee benefits under GAAP was related to charges due to the cost reduction program. The acquisition of OTC, higher commissionable revenues, loan forgiveness, and the weaker US dollar.

Speaker #3: The increase in compensation and employee benefits for adjusted earnings was driven by OTC, higher commissionable revenues, and the weaker US dollar. Charges related to the cost reduction program and loan forgiveness are excluded from adjusted earnings.

Speaker #3: Non-compensation expenses under GAAP and for adjusted earnings increased by 25.5% and 27.1% respectively. Primarily driven by the acquisition of OTC. Excluding OTC, non-compensation expenses under GAAP and for adjusted earnings increased by 13.5% and 14.7% respectively.

Jason Hauf: Non-compensation expenses under GAAP and for adjusted earnings increased by 25.5% and 27.1%, respectively, primarily driven by the acquisition of OTC. Excluding OTC, non-compensation expenses under GAAP and for adjusted earnings increased by 13.5 and 14.7%, respectively. We completed the first phase of our cost reduction program during the Q4, which will realize $25 million of annualized cost savings in 2026. Further cost efficiencies are expected to be realized throughout the year. Moving on to our record Q4 adjusted earnings. Our pre-tax adjusted earnings grew by 24.5% to $161.3 million, representing a pre-tax margin of 21.3%.

Speaker #3: We completed the first phase of our cost reduction program during the fourth quarter. Which will realize 25 million of annualized cost savings in 2026.

Speaker #3: Further cost efficiencies are expected to be realized throughout the year. Moving on to our record fourth quarter adjusted earnings. Our pre-tax adjusted earnings grew by 24.5% to $161.3 million representing a pre-tax margin of 21.3%.

Speaker #3: Excluding the impact of OTC, our pre-tax margin would have been 23.2% and excluding both OTC and the weaker US dollar, our pre-tax adjusted earnings margin would have been approximately 23.7%.

Jason Hauf: Excluding the impact of OTC, our pre-tax margin would have been 23.2%, and excluding both OTC and the weaker US dollar, our pre-tax adjusted earnings margin would have been approximately 23.7%. Post-tax adjusted earnings increased by 21.1% to $149.6 million, resulting in a post-tax adjusted earnings per share of $0.31. Our Adjusted EBITDA decreased by 0.8% to $190.6 million due to charges related to the execution of the cost reduction program. GAAP income from operations before income taxes decreased 8% to $25 million. This included $54.8 million of charges from the cost reduction program, the cash impact of which was $28.1 million. Turning to share count.

Speaker #3: Post-tax adjusted earnings increased by 21.1% to $149.6 million resulting in a post-tax adjusted earnings per share of 31 cents. Our adjusted EBITDA decreased by 0.8% to $190.6 million due to charges related to the execution of the cost reduction program.

Speaker #3: GAAP income from operations before income taxes decreased 8% to $25 million. This included 54.8 million of charges from the cost reduction program, the cash impact of which was 28.1 million.

Speaker #3: Turning to share count. BGC's fully diluted weighted average share count for adjusted earnings was 490.4 million shares during the period, a 0.8% decrease compared to the third quarter of 2025 and a 1% decrease compared to a year ago.

Jason Hauf: BGC's fully diluted weighted average share count for adjusted earnings was 490.4 million shares during the period, a 0.8% decrease compared to the third quarter of 2025, and a 1% decrease compared to a year ago. As of December 31, our liquidity was $979.1 million, compared with $897.8 million as of year-end 2024. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Sean to go over our Q1 outlook.

Speaker #3: As of December 31st, our liquidity was $979.1 million, compared with $897.8 million as of year-end 2024. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Sean to go over our first quarter outlook.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Jason. I'm pleased to provide the following guidance for the first quarter of 2026. We expect to generate revenues of between $860 and $920 million as compared to $664.2 million in the first quarter of 2025.

Sean Windeatt: Thank you, Jason. I'm pleased to provide the following guidance for Q1 2026. We expect to generate revenues of between $860 and $920 million, as compared to $664.2 million in Q1 2025, which at the midpoint of our guidance, would represent approximately 34% revenue growth. Excluding OTC, we expect our first quarter revenues to grow around 15% at the midpoint. We anticipate pre-tax adjusted earnings to be in the range of $202 to $222 million versus $160.2 million last year, which at the midpoint of guidance, would represent over 32% earnings growth.

Speaker #2: Which of the midpoint of our guidance would represent approximately 34% revenue growth. Excluding OTC, we expect our first quarter revenues to grow around 15% at the midpoint.

Speaker #2: We anticipate pre-tax adjusted earnings to be in the range of $202 to $222 million versus $160.2 million last year. Which of the midpoint of guidance would represent over 32% earnings growth.

Speaker #2: We expect our adjusted earnings tax rate to be between 11 and 14% for the full year 2026. With that operator, we'd like to open the call for questions.

Sean Windeatt: We expect our adjusted earnings tax rate to be between 11 and 14% for the full year 2026. With that, operator, we'd like to open the call for questions.

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Speaker #1: One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Patrick Moley with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #4: Yes, good morning. And thanks for taking the question. Wanted to ask about the first quarter guide. Came in much better than we were expecting and it appears like the organic revenue growth is stepping up there.

Patrick Moley: Yes, good morning, and thanks for taking the question. Wanted to ask about the Q1 guide, came in much better than we were expecting, and it appears like, you know, the organic revenue growth is stepping up there. So I was hoping you could dissect that a little more for us. How much of the step-up in growth is driven by just a strong trading environment year-to-date versus maybe some more sustainable fundamental, growth drivers across the business? Thanks.

Speaker #4: So I was hoping you could dissect that a little more for us. How much of the step up in growth is driven by just a strong trading environment year to date versus maybe some more sustainable fundamental growth drivers across the business.

Speaker #4: Thanks.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Patrick. Sean here. Look, I think as I said in the prepared remarks, we've grown our core revenue 13%, 12%, 15% each year. And in the implied guidance, it's 15% again.

Sean Windeatt: Thanks, Patrick. Sean here. Look, I think, as I said in the prepared remarks, you know, we've grown our core revenue, if you like, our same-store revenue, 13%, 12%, 15% each year, and in the implied guidance, it's 15% again. You'll remember that we said, you know, with the introduction of interest rates, the market itself is, it was regrowing again. And you've seen that for the past 3 years, and now you're seeing it in our guidance this time. It's driven not just in ECS, but where we've gained market share, you know, and I think we also have the benefit of becoming the number one player within that business.

Speaker #2: You'll remember that we said with the introduction of interest rates, the market itself is regrowing again. And you've seen that for the past three years and now you're seeing again in our guidance this time.

Speaker #2: It's driven not just in ECS, but where we've gained market share and I think we also have the benefit of becoming the number one player within that business.

Speaker #2: And then we've also had strong growth and strong market share gains due to that various hirings that we've done over the past year or so.

Sean Windeatt: And then we've also got had strong growth and strong market share gains, you know, due to the various hirings that we've done over the past year or so, in both rates and in foreign exchange. And you've also seen, across the board, you've seen that in FX and equities as well.

Speaker #2: In both rates and in foreign exchange. And you've also seen across the board, you've seen that in FX and equities as well.

Speaker #4: Okay, great. Thanks for that. And then a follow-up, you sold KA's just wondering how you're thinking about the portfolio of businesses today within FedEx.

Patrick Moley: Okay, great. Thanks for that. And then a follow-up. You sold KACE. Just wondering how you're thinking about the portfolio of businesses today within Fenics. What drove the decision to sell that business? Was it just opportunistic, or should we maybe expect future divestitures? Thanks.

Speaker #4: What drove the decision to sell that business? Was it just opportunistic or should we maybe expect future divestitures? Thanks.

Speaker #2: Look, I think we've sold two businesses that were sitting within FedEx now in the last year. Had revenues of round about $27 million and we sold those for just under $165 million.

Sean Windeatt: Look, I think we've sold two businesses that were sitting within Fenics now in the last year. They had revenues of round about $27 million, and we sold those for just under $165 million. Our view has always been the same, which is, if it's all about shareholder value, and if someone is prepared to pay something that's an appropriate value for our shareholders, then that's great. Both of those businesses were lower growth businesses for us. I think they'll do fantastically well in the hands of their new owners. And what it allows us to do is to focus on those higher growth things that you mentioned within the Fenics portfolio.

Speaker #2: And our view has always been the same, which is if it's all about shareholder value. And if someone is prepared to pay something that's inappropriate value for our shareholders, then that's great.

Speaker #2: Both of those businesses were lower growth businesses for us. I think they'll do fantastically well in the hands of their new owners. And what it allows us to do is to focus on those higher growth things that you mentioned within the FedEx portfolio.

Speaker #2: I mean, you saw, I think, in John's prepared remarks, he said that Lucera grew 24% again this quarter. Our portfolio matched business growing again at strong double digits.

Sean Windeatt: I mean, you know, you saw, I think, in John's prepared remarks, he said that, Lucera grew 24% again this quarter. Our Portfolio Match business growing again at strong double digits. So, the answer is, we always remain open, for, if it's not getting the value within our company, but it's all about shareholder value.

Speaker #2: So the answer is we always remain open for if it's not getting the value within our company. But it's all about shareholder value.

Speaker #4: Okay. Thanks, Sean.

Patrick Moley: Okay. Thanks, Sean.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Eli Aboudi, with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Eli Abaud with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #5: Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to follow up on Patrick's energy segment question and still trying to unpack, I guess, what's structural from what's cyclical growth here.

Eli Abboud: Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to follow up on Patrick's energy segment question and still trying to unpack, I guess, what's structural from what's cyclical growth here. And to that end, can you maybe talk about the extent to which you're seeing new logo growth in the energy space? Or are there firms who maybe two years ago didn't think it was necessary to hedge their energy exposure, but now with all of this volatility, are revisiting that decision and maybe becoming clients of BGC's ECS segment for the first time?

Speaker #5: And to that end, can you maybe talk about the extent to which you're seeing new logo growth in the energy space? Or are there firms who maybe two years ago didn't think it was necessary to hedge their energy exposure?

Speaker #5: But now with all of this volatility or revisiting that decision and maybe becoming clients of BGC's ECS segment for the first time.

Speaker #2: Hey, morning, Eli. It's John. So yeah, the answer is that in the ECS business, there is a proliferation of new players. In that asset class, both when you talk about hedging what is real risk in the market and new players who are entering on the traditional buy side.

John Abularrage: Hey, morning, Eli. It's John. So yeah, the answer is that in the ECS business, there is a proliferation of new players in that asset class, both, you know, when you talk about hedging, you know, what is real risk in the market and new players who are entering on the traditional buy side. So we're definitely seeing the benefit of that. Of course, there is some cyclical growth, but I think if you look at, you know, our market share, and you know, where, you know, I would say we're outperforming the market, those are based mainly on areas where we, you know, chose to invest and to enter into those markets over the last couple of years. So, you know, we are seeing across the board good performance in our ECS business.

Speaker #2: So we're definitely seeing the benefit of that. Of course, there is some cyclical growth, but I think if you look at our market share and where I would say we're outperforming the market, those are based mainly on areas where we chose to invest and to enter into those markets over the last couple of years.

Speaker #2: So we are seeing across the board good performance in our ECS business. At the moment, you're seeing really great performance from the biggest asset classes that we've invested in.

John Abularrage: Yeah, at the moment, you're seeing really great performance from the biggest asset classes that we've invested in, so oil, refined products, power, natural gas, and of course, you know, our shipping business. So, you know, yeah, the market environment is good, but I would say, you know, we continue to expand our client base and continue to gain market share.

Speaker #2: So oil, refined products, power, natural gas, and of course, our shipping business. So yeah, the market environment is good, but I would say we continue to expand our client base and continue to gain market share.

Speaker #5: Got it. And has your ECS market share yet exceeded the, I guess, the combined market share of BGC and OTC Global as standalone entities?

Eli Abboud: Got it. And has your ECS market share yet exceeded the, I guess, the combined market share of BGC and OTC Global as standalone entities? I know you-- in the past couple of calls, you had said there would be situations where maybe one plus one equals three, as you go to integrate those businesses. Are there any proof points, any evidence yet of that you can share with us?

Speaker #5: I know in the past couple of calls, you had said there would be situations where maybe one plus one equals three as you go to integrate those businesses.

Speaker #5: Are there any proof points, any evidence yet of that that you can share with us?

John Abularrage: ... So I'm not – we, I don't think we're breaking it out, but what I will say is, without question, the answer to that is yes. So the benefits of acquiring OTC have become evident in the products that I just mentioned. So you know, our number one positioning in, you know, oil, in gas, in refined products, has been, you know, augmented certainly in a greater way than just one plus one. And so we are seeing the benefits of that, and we are also seeing strong benefits where we have combined parts of the traditional BGC business with the existing OTC business to create, you know, Eli, you and I have discussed historically, very, very strong global brands under the BGC umbrella.

Speaker #2: So I'm not I don't think we're breaking it out, but what I will say is without question, the answer to that is yes. So the benefits of acquiring OTC have become evident in the products that I just mentioned.

Speaker #2: So our number one positioning in oil, in gas, in refined products has been augmented certainly in a greater way than just one plus one.

Speaker #2: And so, we are seeing the benefits of that, and we are also seeing strong benefits where we have combined parts of the traditional BGC business with the existing OTC business to create, as you and I have discussed historically, very, very strong global brands under the BGC umbrella.

Speaker #5: Got it. And I think some to some extent, the pushback that we hear from investors is, does your over-the-counter or your block like bread and butter?

Eli Abboud: Got it. And I think to some extent, the pushback that we hear from investors is, does your over-the-counter, your block, like bread and butter, grow structurally slower than listed energy volumes? So I think maybe it would be helpful, like, if we kind of take as a given that listed energy volumes grow, let's just say 15% per year over the next five years, does BGC's volumes grow more, the same, less? How should we think about the delta?

Speaker #5: Does that grow structurally slower than listed energy volumes? So I think maybe it would be helpful if we kind of take as a given that listed energy volumes grow, let's just say, 15% per year over the next five years. Does BGC's volumes grow more, the same?

Speaker #5: Less? How should we think about the delta?

Speaker #1: Hey, Eli, JP here. So the block business is a growing part, right? And we have a very as you know, 2025, the markets were very volatile.

JP Aubin: Hey, Eli, JP here. So the block business is a growing part, right? And we have a very... As you know, 2025, the markets were very volatile. The beginning of 2026 is no different. So one, volatility remain the best friend of BGC business. Second, we are the largest listed broker in the world, and the block part, the OTC part of that business is growing, and BGC is benefiting, like, largely. I would like to mention something. You know, we are a client of multiple exchange. As an example, we are one of the CME's biggest clients. So we notice exchanges share price are always up in a very volatile days. We shouldn't be different, you know? They benefit from that extra business, and we are the client of the exchanges, so we feed them in a way, every day.

Speaker #1: The beginning of '26 is no different. So one volatility remain, the best friend of BGC business. Second, we are the largest listed broker in the world.

Speaker #1: And the block part, the OTC part of that business is growing and BGC is benefiting like largely. I would like to mention something. We are a client of multiple exchange.

Speaker #1: As an example, we are one of the CMEs' biggest clients. So we noticed exchanges' share price has always up in a very volatile days.

Speaker #1: We shouldn't be different. The benefit from that extra business and we are the client of the exchanges. So we feed them, in a way, every day.

Speaker #1: So we consider we definitely benefit from volatility. And the extra blocking business.

JP Aubin: So we consider, we definitely benefit from volatility and the extra broking business.

Speaker #5: Got it. And maybe for my last one here, I know we actually haven't hit on FMX futures yet. So, now that market share is picking up and you guys have some momentum, what's the timetable for recognizing some revenue related to FMX futures?

Eli Abboud: Got it. And maybe for my last one here, I know we actually haven't hit on FMX futures yet. So now that market share is picking up and you guys have some momentum, what's the timetable for recognizing some revenue related to FMX futures? I think there were some fee holidays maybe in the past couple of quarters. Is there any timeline for those rolling off? And then just to follow up, any update on Treasury futures? I think open interest there is still de minimis, and maybe that's been on the back burner. When is that going to move to the front burner for you guys?

Speaker #5: I think there were some fee holidays, maybe in the past couple of quarters. Is there any timeline for those rolling off? And then just to follow up, any update on treasury futures?

Speaker #5: I think open interest there is still de minimis, and maybe that's been on the back burner. When is that going to move to the front burner for you guys?

John Abularrage: Yeah. So the changes in the fee structure happened 2 years after the deal was signed, so that's kind of the beginning of this summer, when you'll see, you know, the change for the early adopters change the fee structures. I think we've said before, you know, for the futures businesses and in general comment, you know, we will continue to consider where that stands to make sure that it is more than competitive in the marketplace. So that was the first part of your question, and the second part of your question was on Treasury futures. And Treasury futures will come on the back of success of SOFR, meaning that, you know, we are at 1%, and we don't take the 1% lightly.

Speaker #2: Yeah. So the changes in the fee structure happened two years after the deal was signed. So that's kind of the beginning of this summer when you'll see the change for the early adopters change.

Speaker #2: The fee structures, I think we've said before, for the futures businesses and in general comment, we will continue to consider where that stands to make sure that it is more than competitive in the marketplace.

Speaker #2: So that was the first part of your question. And the second part of your question was on treasury futures. And treasury futures will come on the back of success of SOFR, meaning that we are at 1% and we don't take the 1% lightly.

John Abularrage: But, you know, we're still on that journey, and we believe very strongly that focusing on SOFR at the moment is the right thing to do, you know, both for building that marketplace, but also in conjunction with daily conversations with our partners, is how we make those decisions. So the launch of Treasury futures, you know, will follow shortly behind, you know, where we get to the end of our journey in onboarding and getting SOFR to where we need it to be.

Speaker #2: But we're still on that journey, and we believe very strongly that focusing on SOFR at the moment is the right thing to do both for building that marketplace, but also in conjunction with daily conversations with our partners is how we make those decisions.

Speaker #2: So the launch of treasury futures will follow shortly behind where we get to the end of our journey in onboarding and getting SOFR to where we need it to be.

Speaker #5: Got it. Thanks, guys. That's it for me.

Eli Abboud: Got it. Thanks, guys. That's it for me.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Eli.

John Abularrage: Thanks, Eli.

Speaker #1: Thanks, Eli.

JP Aubin: Thanks, Eli.

Speaker #6: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Maldy with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Moley with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your questions.

Speaker #7: Yes. Thanks for taking the follow-up. I wanted to hit on something you said in your prepared remarks about launching additional fixed income products. In 2026, within Lucera, could you maybe just help us get a better sense for what those could be and how additive it could be to overall growth within FedEx?

Patrick Moley: Yes, thanks for taking the follow-up. I wanted to hit on something you said in your prepared remarks about launching additional fixed income products in 2026 within Lucera. Could you maybe just help us get a better sense for what those could be and how additive they could be to overall growth within FMX?

Speaker #2: Yeah, sure. So Lucera has got a dominant position in the FX market, as you would imagine, because that's where it started. They then rolled into rates and you're seeing the benefits of Lucera's fantastic position in that market.

John Abularrage: Yeah, sure. So Lucera has got a dominant position in the FX market, as you would imagine, because that's where it started. They then rolled into rates, and you're seeing the benefits of, you know, Lucera's fantastic, you know, position in that market and, and, the services they provide for clients, both in connectivity and the robustness of what they do on the electronic side. And now they're moving into credit markets, you know, to bring that connectivity into, you know, an increasingly electronic world in credit. So, you know, hard to define in terms of a number because it's nascent, it's just sort of starting.

Speaker #2: And the services they provide for clients, both in connectivity and the robustness of what they do on the electronic side. And now they're moving into credit markets to bring that connectivity into an increasingly electronic world and credit.

Speaker #2: So hard to define in terms of a number because it's nascent. It's just sort of starting. But one would guess that if they are as successful in credit as they've been in the first two asset classes, that over a period of time, hopefully, that will represent a third of a third of their revenue.

John Abularrage: But one would guess that if, you know, they are as successful in credit as they've been in the first two asset classes, that over a period of time, hopefully, that will represent 1/3 of, you know, 1/3 of their revenue.

Speaker #7: Okay. Great. Thanks again, guys.

Patrick Moley: Okay, great. Thanks again, guys.

Speaker #2: Thank you.

John Abularrage: Thank you.

Speaker #1: Thank you. And we have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back to Mr. Sean Windeatt for closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back to Mr. Sean Windeatt for closing remarks.

Speaker #7: Thank you very much. And just to say thanks for joining us today on our fourth quarter and full year '25 conference call. Look forward to speaking to you soon.

Eli Abboud: Thank you very much, and just to say thanks for joining us today on our fourth quarter and full year 25 conference call. Look forward to speaking to you soon, and have a great day.

Sean Windeatt: Thank you very much, and just to say thanks for joining us today on our fourth quarter and full year 25 conference call. Look forward to speaking to you soon, and have a great day.

Speaker #7: Have a great day.

Operator: Thank you, and this concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. We thank you for your participation.

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