Q4 2025 Palomar Holdings Inc Earnings Call

February 12, 2026

Good morning, and welcome to the Palomar Holdings, Inc, fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings conference call. During today's presentation. All parties will be in a listen only mode. Following the presentation. The conference line will be opened for questions with instructions to follow as a reminder, this conference call is being recorded I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. <unk>.

Speaker #5: If I could, for Chris. So, I heard you on the loss ratio being in the mid to upper 30s. You know, I'm sort of looking at that versus the 31% accident year loss ratio excluding cats in 2025.

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Thank you operator, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate your participation on our earnings call with me here today is Mac Armstrong, our chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Additionally, Jon Christianson, our president is here to answer questions. During the Q&A portion of the call as a reminder, a telephonic replay of this call will be available on the investor.

Speaker #5: So it feels like that's getting a little bit worse than, I think, the old rule of thumb, which was 2 to 4 points deterioration a year.

Speaker #5: So I'm wondering if you could just unpack that a little bit . You know , what is it mix . Is it higher picks ?

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Speaker #5: You know, that would be helpful if you could just unpack that a little bit.

Speaker #2: Yeah, I think the simplest answer is going to be that it's no change in our picks. I think we've said this a lot of times, that we are going to continue to reserve conservatively up front, react to bad news quickly, and the good news slowly.

These include remarks about management's future expectations beliefs estimates plans and prospects.

Speaker #2: And deliberately , that is proven true throughout this year , where we're able to have some favorable development . If you go back , you know , call it this time last year , we were expecting a low 30s loss ratio for this year .

Such statements are subject to a variety of risks uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated or implied by such statements such risks and other factors are set forth in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission we.

Speaker #2: I think this year was probably a little bit better than we expected. Crop contributed to that. Crop was a little bit favorable to where we expected.

We do not undertake any duty to update such forward looking statements. Additionally, during today's call. We will discuss certain non-GAAP measures, which we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. The presentation of this additional information should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with U S. GAAP.

Speaker #2: So maybe our loss ratio was a little bit better. But overall, when I think about that 2 to 4 points, I feel like this is right in line with that expectation.

Speaker #2: Let's say we were called 31 to 32 . We're up four points . We're at 36 , right . The other thing you got to think about is that we are expecting some still really strong growth from crop .

Speaker #2: The other assumption we're changing there is we're going to be taking 50% of that book versus 30% this year . So that while adding profit to the bottom line does move the ratios a little bit , we've talked about it a lot , and I just talked about it a little bit .

A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to their most comparable GAAP measure can be found in our earnings release at this point I'll turn the call over to Mac.

Speaker #2: That crop does operate at a higher combined and a higher loss ratio, Mack said. It was better than 80%, but even at an 80% loss ratio, that is higher than 31 or 32.

Thank you, Chris and good morning, everyone I'm excited to review, our strong fourth quarter and full year results and 2025, we delivered record levels of gross written premium and adjusted net income as well as strong broad based profitable growth for the full year Palomar grew gross written premium 32% increased adjusted net income by 62%.

Speaker #2: So if you're taking call it 20 points , more of that if you're at 30 and taking 20% more , you know , about 66% more of the losses .

Speaker #2: Plus higher growth . It's going to influence the loss ratio . But overall , when you think about it and the reason we're not saying that our combined ratio is going to jump at the same rate is we do expect to see some scale or leverage in the operating expenses .

And achieved an adjusted return on equity of 26%.

We also meaningfully exceeded our initial full year adjusted net income guidance of 180 to 192 million, finishing the year at $216 million.

Speaker #2: And so when we talk about right now , our low 70s combined ratio for the year and kind of getting into the mid 70s for 2026 , I think that is taking all those factors into account .

We beat earnings every quarter of the year, resulting in for upward revisions to our outlook as performance continued to strengthen and exceed expectations.

At the start of 2025, we outlined four strategic imperatives integrate and operate build new market leaders deliberately remember, what we like and don't like and generate consistent earnings and I'm proud to report that we executed across all four efforts in all four quarters.

Speaker #2: Yes, the loss ratio is going to go up as expected. And as we've talked about, you're going to see some savings potentially on the expense side.

Speaker #2: But overall, we're going to be mid-70s combined ratio, with a growing, diverse book of business that is delivering consistent profitability to the marketplace.

Speaker #2: That's something we've talked about for the last two or three years, continuing to do. And that's what we plan on doing.

We scaled our newer verticals in casualty and crop while maintaining underwriting discipline, we purposefully built a balanced book of both the admitted in E&S and residential and commercial property and casualty products to ensure consistent results in any market cycle.

Speaker #2: So overall , we feel like we're in a good spot . Loss ratio is doing exactly what we expected , and overall , the book is performing very well .

Speaker #1: And Dave , if I could just come back to the one point you made on the reinsurance . Yeah , 10% is the assumption .

We added outstanding talent across all our departments, including underwriting investment claims data and actuarial drilling our team to over 500 exceptional professionals.

Speaker #1: It is a little bit less, or a lower risk-adjusted decrease, than what we saw in the first quarter. You know, but that's for the midpoint of the guidance.

Finally, we successfully integrated two specialty franchises first indemnity of America, and advanced AG protection and at the end of January announced the closing of our third acquisition, Greg casualty and surety now Palomar casualty and surety.

Speaker #1: You know, so there's certainly an opportunity to outperform that 10% down. But I think that's the right level for us to assume at 6/1.

Speaker #5: Thanks guys .

Speaker #1: Thank you

The married achievements of 2025 enabled us to reach our Palomar <unk> target of doubling adjusted net income for both the 2022 and 2023 cohorts a significant an impressive milestone that underscores the strength of our execution.

Speaker #3: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Carletti with Citizens. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #6: Hey , thanks . Good morning Mac . I appreciate your comments on kind of the casualty book . That was really helpful . Can you maybe just kind of zoom out ?

We exit 2025 with the national footprint with offices in team members located across the country.

Speaker #6: And as we look at the book today , maybe year end , 25 , you know , broad strokes , like how much of the book is in kind of excess and primary GL , how much is kind of , you know , professional lines , exposures , whatever the big buckets are that you kind of think of , could you help us with that ?

We are attracting the best talent in the industry. Our people in 2020 fives accomplishments give us strong confidence in our ability to sustain Palomar to X.

Turning to the fourth quarter, specifically, our strong performance marked a fitting close to an exceptional 2025.

Speaker #6: And then, secondarily, how much of that is directly written by Palomar? And is any of it done through some sort of program or delegated authority arrangement?

Our quarter was highlighted by record adjusted net income and our robust top and bottom line growth with gross written premium increasing 32% and adjusted net income growing 48% across our differentiated and diversified portfolio.

Speaker #1: Yeah, Matt, thanks for the question. And excited to talk about the casualty franchise, because it really is performing well and has been a nice success story.

As I said, our specialty product suite is designed to perform consistently through market cycles and generate attractive returns and strength demonstrated by an adjusted combined ratio of 73% and a 27% adjusted return on equity.

Speaker #1: So just that the predominance of the book is going to be what we call ins casualty, which would be GL, kind of a niche segment.

Collectively these results highlight the growth durability balance and quality of our franchise.

Speaker #1: GL. And then there are some professional lines, but again, the majority of it is going to be excess and primary general liability.

Turning to our business segments, our earthquake franchise declined 2% year over year, a level slightly lower than our previously stated expectation for low single digit growth in the fourth quarter.

Speaker #1: We are not writing business for the majority of cases . We do have a small amount of wheels business . That's in our contractors primary contractors , GL .

Our year over year results were muted by a onetime headwind from a large unearned premium transfer in the fourth quarter of 2024 adjusting for this onetime benefit in 'twenty four we would have delivered growth in the quarter.

Speaker #1: But on the whole it's going to be , you know , niche categories of GL . And then professional liability . That's going to be more in or healthcare liability , which is a new example .

As we've discussed our earthquake book consists of residential commercial policies written on an admitted an E&S basis.

Balance allows us to successfully optimize our earthquake risk adjusted returns and navigate any market condition.

Speaker #1: And that's one that we got into earlier this year. I think it's important to just talk about, overarchingly, on the casualty side.

In the fourth quarter, the commercial earthquake book continue to face pressure with rates off 15% competition.

Speaker #1: You know , we remain very disciplined . You know , whether that's in our reserving , you know , 80% , as I said , of the IB , excuse me , of the total reserve is Ebner .

Competition remained elevated and we believe this environment could persist through much of 2026.

We remain disciplined in our underwriting but also note that the commercial book is still generating attractive returns.

Speaker #1: We have several lines of business in excess liability, where it's 100% of the reserve is IBNR. Casualty is only 16.4% of our casualty reserves, only 16.4% of our surplus.

Conversely, our residential earthquake book, which ended the year at 58% of the total earthquake premium continued to perform in line with expectations. During the quarter, we saw year over year growth in new business written and premium retention rate at a healthy 97% for our admitted flagship product.

Speaker #1: Our limits are very conservative . Our average net limit is a million . Our largest net line would be 2.3 million . And our largest line of business , which , as I pointed out , which is our ONS casualty , is $700,000 on a net basis .

As we've said before 10% inflation guard on a residential earthquake policies affords our book compelling operating leverage and the softening property catastrophe reinsurance market in.

In addition, we are encouraged by our pipeline of high quality residential earthquake partnerships, which could bolster growth in 2006 and 2027.

Speaker #1: I think the other factor that's worth highlighting here is just the underwriting approach, and it's going to be really focusing on writing.

The softening reinsurance market combined with the growth of the residential earthquake book should allow us to absorb the primary rate pressure in the commercial market. Overall, we expect our earthquake book to deliver modest premium growth and margin expansion in 2026, even with commercial pressure persisting.

Speaker #1: If it's excess , its buffer layers . So we're avoiding social inflation . So if we get a pop like it's not a circumstance where it's a surprise and there's a nuclear verdict .

Mac Armstrong: America in Advanced Ag Protection, and at the end of January, announced the closing of our third acquisition, Gray Casualty and Surety, now Palomar Casualty Insurance. The myriad achievements of 2025 enabled us to reach our Palomar 2X target of doubling adjusted net income for both the 2022 and 2023 cohorts, a significant and impressive milestone that underscores the strength of our execution. We exit 2025 with the national footprint, with offices and team members located across the country. We are attracting the best talent in the industry. Our people in 2025's accomplishments give us strong confidence in our ability to sustain Palomar 2X. Turning to the Q4 specifically, our strong performance marked a fitting close to an exceptional 2025.

Speaker #1: And we were attaching , you know , 20 excess of 100 and we get hit , you know , we're going to be attaching excess of one or we write in the primary one .

Our inland Marine and other property group grew 30% year over year in the fourth quarter.

Speaker #1: So it confines the volatility in that book. And then I should have started with this: the talent we have is exceptional.

Driven by strong performance from our admitted in E&S builder's risk book, and Hawaiian Hurricane products as well as record production in our flood books stemming from the early success of our Neptune flood partnership.

Mac Armstrong: We exit 2025 with the national footprint, with offices and team members located across the country. We are attracting the best talent in the industry. Our people in 2025's accomplishments give us strong confidence in our ability to sustain Palomar 2X. Turning to the Q4 specifically, our strong performance marked a fitting close to an exceptional 2025.

Speaker #1: You know these are professionals that have been in this business for decades . In the case of David Sapir , Frank Castro , Jason Porter and our casualty leaders , I think it's also important to point out that we do have program business right now , although it's around close to a little more than half our programs .

Like our earthquake business that mix of residential and admitted offerings provided balance to the group, allowing us to offset pressure in certain E&S commercial lines. For instance, we have pending rate increases of more than 10% for our Hawaii Hurricane and motor truck cargo book in California, whereas our large E&S builder's risk accounts, we're seeing rate decreases in the low single digits.

Speaker #1: Those leaders are involved in the underwriting of those programs , setting , underwriting rules , helping with the claims administration and the adjudication .

Mac Armstrong: The quarter was highlighted by record adjusted net income and a robust top and bottom line growth, with gross written premium increasing 32% and adjusted net income growing 48% across our differentiated and diversified portfolio. As I said, our specialty product suite is designed to perform consistently through market cycles and generate attractive returns, a strength demonstrated by an adjusted combined ratio of 73% and a 27% adjusted return on equity. Collectively, these results highlight the growth, durability, balance, and quality of our franchise. Turning to our business segments, our earthquake franchise declined 2% year-over-year, a level slightly lower than our previously stated expectation for low single-digit growth in Q4. Our year-over-year results were muted by a one-time headwind from a large unearned premium transfer in Q4 2024.

Like commercial earthquake, the underwriting performance and profitability in commercial property was very strong in the quarter, all risk excess national property and E&S builder's risk each had a loss ratio below 25%.

Speaker #1: So it's really a philosophy that we had in property, where we work with the program administrator and builder's risk or earthquake. And we also write it internally.

The strong underwriting results in commercial property are driving further investment in talent and geographic expansion during the quarter, we added professionals in Texas and the northeast to support profitable growth of the commercial side of the group.

Speaker #1: It just affords the sharing of ideas. It affords the ability to access market segments that you couldn't potentially do on a direct basis.

Speaker #1: So we think it's a very good model . And then I think the last thing I'd say about the casualty business , like , you know , if you look at how we use reinsurance , we view that as a terrific validation of the underwriting .

Mac Armstrong: Collectively, these results highlight the growth, durability, balance, and quality of our franchise. Turning to our business segments, our earthquake franchise declined 2% year-over-year, a level slightly lower than our previously stated expectation for low single-digit growth in Q4. Our year-over-year results were muted by a one-time headwind from a large unearned premium transfer in Q4 2024.

Additionally, we recruited mapping to launch and lead our new construction engineering practice.

That is a long tenured expert in this dynamic space, which we believe represents a significant market opportunity.

Speaker #1: You know , we buy both treaty and fact . And so fact reinsurance underwriters are looking at an individual risk and pricing them with us treaty are looking treaty underwriters are looking at the portfolio .

With our strong track record in builders' risk to growth in our balance sheet, our a rating from am best and expanded reinsurance capacity. We believe now is the right time to enter this market and supplement our property franchise with a book of large complex infrastructure projects, such as bridges roads and data centers.

Mac Armstrong: Adjusting for this one-time benefit in 2024, we would have delivered growth in the quarter. As we've discussed, our earthquake book consists of residential commercial policies written on an admitted and E&S basis. This balance allows us to successfully optimize our earthquake risk-adjusted returns and navigate any market condition. In Q4, the commercial earthquake book continued to face pressure, with rates off 15%. Competition remained elevated, and we believe this environment could persist through much of 2026. We remain disciplined in our underwriting, but also note that the commercial book is still generating attractive returns. Conversely, our residential earthquake book, which ended the year at 58% of the total earthquake premium, continued to perform in line with expectations. During the quarter, we saw year-over-year growth in new business written and a premium retention rate of a healthy 97% for our admitted flagship product.

Speaker #1: And as I mentioned , you know , we had several quota shares renew at one one . Two of them were for programs .

Speaker #1: Two of them were for internal casualty . All of them had improved economics . So again , I think our casualty approach , the execution rather has been exceptional .

Consistent with our disciplined approach to new lines will begin with modest net line sizes supported by a robust screening.

Our casualty business delivered 120% year over year gross written premium growth in the fourth quarter.

Speaker #1: And I think our approach is well established and thoughtful.

Speaker #6: Thank you. That's super helpful. I appreciate all the color.

Casualty book ended 2025% to 20% of the total gross written premium for the company.

Speaker #3: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Anderson with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Fourth quarter results were driven by strong momentum in E&S casualty.

Mac Armstrong: We remain disciplined in our underwriting, but also note that the commercial book is still generating attractive returns. Conversely, our residential earthquake book, which ended the year at 58% of the total earthquake premium, continued to perform in line with expectations. During the quarter, we saw year-over-year growth in new business written and a premium retention rate of a healthy 97% for our admitted flagship product.

Primary and excess contractors general liability and environmental liability.

Speaker #7: Hey , good afternoon . Just on the the reinsurance update , the quake that you mentioned , that was renewed , was that commercial quake .

The E&S general liability segment of the casualty book, both excess and primary continued to see a healthy rate environment in Q4 rates on excess policies increased on average in the low teens, while primary rates were up mid to high single digits.

Speaker #7: And did you purchase any incremental limit this year?

Speaker #1: Hey , Andrew . Yeah . Good questions . So the quota share that renewed was for commercial earthquake . We did have a commercial earthquake share renew .

Our professional lines remain in a stable pricing environment with certain areas showing selected improvement such as miscellaneous professional liability private company D&O and real estate agents.

Speaker #1: And then we bought incremental limit . That's for all of the quake book . But it was a very modest amount . Most of the incremental limit will be procured at six one .

Mac Armstrong: As we've said before, the 10% Inflation Guard on our residential earthquake policies affords our book compelling operating leverage in a softening property catastrophe reinsurance market. In addition, we are encouraged by our pipeline of high-quality residential earthquake partnerships, which could bolster growth in 2026 and in 2027. The softening reinsurance market, combined with the growth of the residential earthquake book, should allow us to absorb the primary rate pressure in the commercial market. Overall, we expect our earthquake book to deliver modest premium growth and margin expansion in 2026, even with commercial pressure persisting.

Speaker #1: So, and then we had one existing layer that renewed at one-one. And again, those were all down in the 15% range.

We are also encouraged by the early traction in healthcare liability, which is probably the most dislocated market. We currently underwrite with technical rates, increasing approaching 35% in the fourth quarter, we added to our already strong team casualty underwriters, which should open new geographies and distribution sources and ultimately drive growth.

Speaker #7: Gotcha. And maybe, bigger picture here, as the cycle in some of the lines softens, it doesn't seem like there's any constraint on capital here.

Mac Armstrong: The softening reinsurance market, combined with the growth of the residential earthquake book, should allow us to absorb the primary rate pressure in the commercial market. Overall, we expect our earthquake book to deliver modest premium growth and margin expansion in 2026, even with commercial pressure persisting.

Speaker #7: But how would you kind of rank capital deployment opportunities across organic increase retention , share repurchases , and opportunistic tuck in deals , which you have some history of doing ?

We remain conservative in managing our casualty exposure and reserves are.

Our disciplined focus on LOE and short attachment points combined with the use of both facultative and quota share reinsurance should limit volatility in the casualty book and allow the portfolio to season in a controlled manner.

Mac Armstrong: Our inland marine and other property group grew 30% year-over-year in Q4, driven by strong performance from our admitted and E&S builders risk book in Hawaiian hurricane products, as well as record production in our flood book, stemming from the early success of our Neptune Flood partnership. Like our earthquake business, the mix of residential and admitted offerings provided balance to the group, allowing us to offset pressure in certain E&S commercial lines. For instance, we have pending rate increases of more than 10% for our Hawaii hurricane and motor truck cargo books in California, whereas our large E&S builders risk accounts are seeing rate decreases in the low single digits. Like commercial earthquake, the underwriting performance and profitability in commercial property was very strong in the quarter.

Speaker #1: Yeah , I think Overarchingly opportunistic is the right term . You know , today , share buybacks looks pretty compelling as we scratch our heads inside our conference room .

Through the fourth quarter. The average net line size across casualty remained below $1 million with E&S casualty, our largest line of casualty business, averaging approximately $700000.

Speaker #1: But nonetheless , you know , we still want to grow organically . And we think we have multiple growth vectors to grow . The book organically .

Our reserving approach in casualty remains conservative and unchanged. It is grounded in continuous evaluation of loss development attachment structures and portfolio mix.

Mac Armstrong: For instance, we have pending rate increases of more than 10% for our Hawaii hurricane and motor truck cargo books in California, whereas our large E&S builders risk accounts are seeing rate decreases in the low single digits. Like commercial earthquake, the underwriting performance and profitability in commercial property was very strong in the quarter.

Speaker #1: And we also think we have the capital base to do so . You know , we certainly as the balance sheet has grown , it does afford us the opportunity to take increase our retentions like we're doing in crop .

As previously discussed approximately 80% of our casualty reserves are held as IV and are well above industry norms. This conservatism underpins balance sheet strength and reinforces confidence in the stability and predictability of future results.

Speaker #1: It's certainly something we can look at on cat retention , probably more specifically for earthquake cat retentions . As that approaches at six one and for our property business , you know , our in the Marina , the property business has performed really well .

Mac Armstrong: All risk, excess national property, and E&S builders risk each had a loss ratio below 25%. The strong underwriting results in commercial property are driving further investment in talent and geographic expansion. During the quarter, we added professionals in Texas and the Northeast to support profitable growth of the commercial side of the group. Additionally, we recruited Matt Deans to launch and lead our new construction engineering practice. Matt is a long-tenured expert in this dynamic space, which we believe represents a significant market opportunity. With our strong track record in builders risk, the growth in our balance sheet, our A rating from A.M. Best, and expanded reinsurance capacity, we believe now is the right time to enter this market and supplement our property franchise with a book of large, complex infrastructure projects such as bridges, roads, and data centers.

Our crop franchise generated $248 million of gross written premium between 25 exceeding our original $200 million expectation in our most recent revised guidance of $230 million.

Speaker #1: So, I think our desire is to potentially put out larger lines in selected classes, like both admitted and INS builders risk, and excess national property.

Our performance was driven by strong execution and the successful recruitment of top tier talent as we expanded into attractive states and products. The broader footprint also drove higher than expected fourth quarter production with $40 million of premium written importantly, this incremental business is diversifying from spring season, PCI, providing a nice complement to the.

Speaker #1: So, I think it's a combination—really, ultimately, opportunistic M&A. We're proud that we've bought three great businesses over the last 15 months.

Mac Armstrong: Matt is a long-tenured expert in this dynamic space, which we believe represents a significant market opportunity. With our strong track record in builders risk, the growth in our balance sheet, our A rating from A.M. Best, and expanded reinsurance capacity, we believe now is the right time to enter this market and supplement our property franchise with a book of large, complex infrastructure projects such as bridges, roads, and data centers.

Speaker #1: But you know , that's really will be more opportunistic . I think you should be thinking about as organic growth , leveraging the scale of the organization , the balance sheet to potentially take more of our more of our own cooking , and then also think about opportunistic capital management through selected buybacks and repurchases .

Folio.

From an underwriting standpoint, 2025 was a good year for our crop book as we generated a loss ratio under 80% and still hold a conservative reserve base as we sit here today.

Given the experience of our team the short tailed nature of the risk and the growth of our balance sheet effective 112026, we increased our retention to 50% net of the SRA will support and protect our attention with stop loss reinsurance consistent with last year.

Mac Armstrong: Consistent with our disciplined approach to new lines, we will begin with modest net line sizes, supported by robust reinsurance. Our casualty business delivered 120% year-over-year gross written premium growth in the fourth quarter. Casualty book ended 2025 at 20% of the total gross written premium for the company. Fourth quarter results were driven by strong momentum in E&S casualty, primary and excess contractors' general liability, and environmental liability. The E&S general liability segment of the casualty book, both excess and primary, continued to see a healthy rate environment. In Q4, rates on excess policies increased on average in the low teens, while primary rates were up mid to high single digits. Our professional lines remained in a stable pricing environment, with certain areas showing selective improvement, such as miscellaneous professional liability, private company D&O, and real estate agents E&O.

Speaker #7: Thank you

Speaker #3: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with Truist. Please proceed with your question.

On a prospective basis, we expect crop premium to grow more than 30% in 2026 and remain on track to achieve our intermediate term target of $500 million in premium and our long term target of $1 billion in premium.

Speaker #8: Yeah . Thank you . On the commercial quake , you said you expect competitive pressure to continue through 2026 . How does it look sequentially this down ?

Speaker #8: Is it continuing to decline sequentially, or is it stabilizing at a low level? And then you've just got some tough comps.

As previously discussed fronting is little longer a strategic focus of the business.

Mac Armstrong: The E&S general liability segment of the casualty book, both excess and primary, continued to see a healthy rate environment. In Q4, rates on excess policies increased on average in the low teens, while primary rates were up mid to high single digits. Our professional lines remained in a stable pricing environment, with certain areas showing selective improvement, such as miscellaneous professional liability, private company D&O, and real estate agents E&O.

While we still continue to support our existing relationships, we're not devoting resources and capital towards and earn his pursuit of new fronting partnerships with.

Speaker #1: Yeah. Mark, this is Mack. That's a good question. I think we're still, you know, we started to see commercial quake pricing really soften in the second quarter of '25.

We simply believe we can achieve better risk adjusted returns and all other product groups. As a result, we are reconstituting our product groups and hunting will no longer be a standalone category, our existing and any future fronting partnerships will be categorized in alignment with the underlying class of business starting in the first quarter of 2026 for instance, our cyber.

Speaker #1: So we think we're still a couple of quarters to go there . And then hopefully the comps lead to a deceleration . I think the other thing too is , you know , one dynamic where you have the all risk players potentially retaining more of the quake , they'll start to as they get through a 12 , 15 month period of that , they'll start to get to a point where they're managing capacity and overall limits and aggregates .

Mac Armstrong: We are also encouraged by the early traction in healthcare liability, which is probably the most dislocated market we currently underwrite, with technical rates increasing, approaching 35%. In Q4, we added to our already strong team of casualty underwriters, which should open new geographies, and distribution sources, and ultimately drive growth. We remain conservative in managing our casualty exposure and reserves. Our disciplined focus on low and short attachment points, combined with the use of both facultative and quota share reinsurance, should limit volatility in the casualty book and allow the portfolio to season in a controlled manner. Through Q4, the average net line size across casualty remained below $1 million, with E&S Casualty, our largest line of casualty business, averaging approximately $700,000. Our reserving approach in Casualty remains conservative and unchanged.

Fronted program will be in the casualty product group.

In our Texas homeowners fronted program will be in the inland marine in the property product group.

Following the closing of the <unk> acquisition surety and credit will become a fifth product category report ongoing forward.

Speaker #1: So I think that will help stabilize it some . But you know , our view and when we talk about this year , having modest growth in earthquake is that pressure will persist in 26 , you know , and certainly the first half of 26 and a more pronounced fashion of commercial quake .

As a frame of reference pro forma for the acquisition of Gray surety and credit would've constituted 65% of Palomar total premium base in 2025.

Mac Armstrong: Our disciplined focus on low and short attachment points, combined with the use of both facultative and quota share reinsurance, should limit volatility in the casualty book and allow the portfolio to season in a controlled manner. Through Q4, the average net line size across casualty remained below $1 million, with E&S Casualty, our largest line of casualty business, averaging approximately $700,000. Our reserving approach in Casualty remains conservative and unchanged.

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Systems scale and geographic reach.

Speaker #8: And then on the crop year retention, moving up to 50% if things go as planned, does that continue to move up or is 50 as high as it gets?

Complementing our existing operations and accelerating their path towards building a market leader in an attractive sector.

We believe sharing credit will serve as a stable long term growth driver Palomar, while providing meaningful diversification to our book and earnings base.

Speaker #1: Well , you know , I think we will . It's a good lever to have to be able to pull . You know , if you talk to Benson , Latham , who's been in the crop business for a very long time , he would tell you the way to make money in crop is to retain more of it , and you will make more money over the long term doing that .

Turning to reinsurance the fourth quarter was both eventful and productive.

Mac Armstrong: It is grounded in continuous evaluation of loss development, attachment structures, and portfolio mix. As previously discussed, approximately 80% of our casualty reserves are held as IBNR, well above industry norms. This conservatism underpins balance sheet strength and reinforces confidence in the stability and predictability of future results. Our crop franchise generated $248 million of gross written premium in 2025, exceeding our original $200 million expectation and our most recent revised guidance of $230 million. Our performance was driven by strong execution and the successful recruitment of top-tier talent as we expanded into attractive states and products. The broader footprint also drove higher than expected Q4 production, with $40 million of premium written. Importantly, this incremental business is diversifying from spring season MPCI, providing a nice complement to the portfolio.

We renewed for quota share treaties on one one all at improved economics and completed two new placements.

Key highlights of the quota share activity included a commercial earthquake quota share that renewed approximately 15% down on a risk adjusted basis, and our primary and excess casualty quota share that saw a nice improvement in the expired ceding Commission.

Speaker #1: And so that's something that we do see as , again , a potential lever , you know , the one thing that we want to be mindful of is just capital allocation .

As it pertains to excess of loss reinsurance, we place to assure U X ol and renewed two earthquake excess of loss treaties.

Speaker #1: And while crop is not a capital overly capital intensive line , the growth we're having is pretty is pretty strong . As I said , we're targeting over 30% growth .

The earthquake places renew more than 15% lower on a risk adjusted basis.

Mac Armstrong: Our performance was driven by strong execution and the successful recruitment of top-tier talent as we expanded into attractive states and products. The broader footprint also drove higher than expected Q4 production, with $40 million of premium written. Importantly, this incremental business is diversifying from spring season MPCI, providing a nice complement to the portfolio.

Speaker #1: So the combination of growth and an increase in retention could start to put a little more pressure on how much capital we have allocated.

Looking ahead to the six one renewal market conditions remain favorable for reinsurance buyers and we are confident in further pricing improvement across our property Cat program.

Speaker #1: So that's something that we'll watch . But you know , that's once that's really once we get beyond that half billion dollar threshold mark .

Our diversified portfolio delivered strong top and bottom line results in the quarter and the full year, while I'm very proud of our results and the execution over the past year I'm, even more excited with the many opportunities that lie ahead.

Mac Armstrong: From an underwriting standpoint, 2025 was a good year for our crop book, as we generated a loss ratio under 80% and still hold a conservative reserve base as we sit here today. Given the experience of our team, the short tail nature of the risk, and the growth of our balance sheet, effective 1 January 2026, we increased our retention to 50% net of the SRA. We will support and protect our retention with stop-loss reinsurance, consistent with last year. On a prospective basis, we expect crop premium to grow more than 30% in 2026, and remain on track to achieve our intermediate-term target of $500 million in premium, and our long-term target of $1 billion in premium. As previously discussed, fronting is no longer a strategic focus of the business.

Speaker #1: So, I think in the interim we can continue to increase our retention and grow the book. And then we'll take stock.

Speaker #1: What is the right risk transfer structure from there?

The success of 2025, the momentum in the business and our team's collective enthusiasm for the year ahead are reflected in our 2026 earnings guidance.

Speaker #8: Thank you

Speaker #3: Thank you. As a reminder, if anyone has any questions, you may press star one on your telephone keypad to join the queue.

Adjusted net income of 260 million to $275 million.

The guidance midpoint implies approximately 24% adjusted net income growth and an adjusted return on equity greater than 20%.

Speaker #3: Our next question comes from the line of Paul Newsome with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Mac Armstrong: On a prospective basis, we expect crop premium to grow more than 30% in 2026, and remain on track to achieve our intermediate-term target of $500 million in premium, and our long-term target of $1 billion in premium. As previously discussed, fronting is no longer a strategic focus of the business.

The midpoint of our guidance assumes a $10 million catastrophe load and a decrease of 10% on our excess of loss property catastrophe reinsurance renewal LNG burst.

Speaker #9: Thank you . Thanks for the call . I was hoping you could expand upon a question I'm getting from investors , which is sort of inevitably , as the business mix moves away from earthquake as well as takes increasing tensions .

To help us deliver on these opportunities we are implementing four strategic imperatives for 2026, one leverage our scale to enhance profitable growth.

Mac Armstrong: While we still continue to support our existing relationships, we are not devoting resources and capital towards an earnest pursuit of new fronting partnerships. We simply believe we can achieve better risk-adjusted returns in all other product groups. As a result, we are reconstituting our product groups, and fronting will no longer be a standalone category. Our existing and any future fronting partnerships will be categorized in alignment with the underlying class of business, starting in Q1 2026. For instance, our cyber fronted program will be in the casualty product group, and our Texas homeowners fronted program will be in the marine of the property product group. Following the closing of the Gray Surety acquisition, Surety and Credit will become the fifth product category we report on going forward.

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One distinct portfolio three deepen our position in existing markets and unlock new opportunities.

Speaker #9: Do you inevitably end up with returns on equity that are less, given that you essentially had to have less reinsurance leverage? Or is the model such that you have more balance in that regard?

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To support these imperatives, we are strategically deploying AI across the organization.

Current initiatives underway are focused on enhancing our underwriting workflow portfolio optimization process automation and operational efficiency. These efforts involve the use of both third party tools and internally developed <unk> solutions that should allow us to increase productivity and scale of our organization.

Speaker #9: And I'm not really even talking about 2026. I mean, just as you think out longer term, is that what we should be thinking about in terms of how the business delivers returns?

Mac Armstrong: For instance, our cyber fronted program will be in the casualty product group, and our Texas homeowners fronted program will be in the marine of the property product group. Following the closing of the Gray Surety acquisition, Surety and Credit will become the fifth product category we report on going forward.

If we execute our plan and these imperatives, we will achieve our Palomar to us objectives in 2026 and beyond.

Speaker #1: Yeah . Hey , Paul , this is Mack . I'll offer my views . You know , we continue . I think I'll start with saying we continue to believe that Palomar two X is achievable for the intermediate future , and we will have , based on the guidance we're giving , we will have double our adjusted net income from 24 in 2 years , while maintaining ROE .

With that I'll turn the call over to Chris to discuss our financial results and guidance assumptions in more detail.

Mac Armstrong: As a frame of reference, pro forma for the acquisition of Gray Surety and Credit would have constituted 6.5% of Palomar's total premium base in 2025. Gray Surety significantly strengthens our Surety franchise, adding management expertise, system scale, and geographic reach, complementing our existing operations and accelerating our path toward building a market leader in an attractive sector. We believe Surety and Credit will serve as a stable, long-term growth driver for Palomar, while providing meaningful diversification to our book and earnings base. Turning to reinsurance, Q4 was both eventful and productive. We renewed 4 quota share treaties on 1/1, all at approved economics, and completed 2 new placements.

Thank you Mac. Please note that during my portion when referring to any per share figure I'm, referring to per diluted common share as calculated using the treasury stock method.

This methodology requires us to include common share equivalents, such as outstanding stock options during profitable periods and exclude them in periods when we incur a net loss.

Speaker #1: That is above 20% . And that is sustainable . Maybe not doubling it every two years , but certainly maintaining ROE . That's over 20% .

For the fourth quarter of 2025, our adjusted net income was $61 1 million.

Mac Armstrong: We believe Surety and Credit will serve as a stable, long-term growth driver for Palomar, while providing meaningful diversification to our book and earnings base. Turning to reinsurance, Q4 was both eventful and productive. We renewed 4 quota share treaties on 1/1, all at approved economics, and completed 2 new placements.

Our $2 24 per share compared to adjusted net income of $41 3 million or.

Speaker #1: And that is with the changing complexion of the book. You have to remember, we still have earthquake as our largest or top two largest line.

A $1 52 per share for the same quarter of 2024, representing adjusted net income growth of 48%.

Speaker #1: We're now adding surety , which has very attractive margins as well . You know , that's a sub 80 combined ratio book . This is not a circumstance where we're all of a sudden going to become a 12% ROE business .

Our fourth quarter adjusted underwriting income was $62 3 million.

Mac Armstrong: Key highlights of the quota share activity included a commercial earthquake quota share that renewed approximately 15% down on a risk-adjusted basis, and our primary and excess casualty quota share that saw a nice improvement in the expiring ceding commission. As it pertains to excess of loss reinsurance, we placed a surety XOL and renewed two earthquake excess of loss treaties. The earthquake placements renewed more than 15% lower on a risk-adjusted basis. Looking ahead to the 6/1 renewal, market conditions remain favorable for reinsurance buyers, and we are confident in further pricing improvement across our property cat program. Our diversified portfolio delivered strong top and bottom line results in the quarter and the full year. While I'm very proud of our results and the execution over the past year, I'm even more excited with the many opportunities that lie ahead.

An increase of 52% as compared to $41 million for the same quarter last year.

Our adjusted combined ratio was 73, 4% for the fourth quarter compared to 71, 7% last year.

Speaker #1: And a 95% combined. Until we say otherwise, we're going to be generating an ROE that's in excess of 20%, and we're going to be growing our bottom line.

For the fourth quarter of 2025, our annualized adjusted return on equity equity was approximately 26, 9% compared to 23, 1% for the same period last year.

Speaker #1: You know , at a very attractive rate . And I think the guidance that we gave this year is illustrative of that . And I think the investments that we're making in the business afford us the ability to sustain those parameters , sustain those parameters .

Our fourth quarter results continue to validate our ability to sustain profitable growth, while maintaining returns well above our palomar to X target of 20%.

Mac Armstrong: Looking ahead to the 6/1 renewal, market conditions remain favorable for reinsurance buyers, and we are confident in further pricing improvement across our property cat program. Our diversified portfolio delivered strong top and bottom line results in the quarter and the full year. While I'm very proud of our results and the execution over the past year, I'm even more excited with the many opportunities that lie ahead.

Gross written premiums for the fourth quarter were $492 6 million.

Speaker #2: A couple of things I'd add to that , just for clarification , right . Remember , as we diversify and as the portfolio grows , we are able to leverage our capital base a little more efficiently , efficiently versus earthquake is very capital intensive .

An increase of 32% compared to the prior year's fourth quarter quarter.

Net earned premiums for the fourth quarter were $233 $5 million.

Mac Armstrong: The success of 2025, the momentum in the business, and our team's collective enthusiasm for the year ahead, are reflected in our 2026 earnings guidance. Adjusted net income of $260 million to $275 million. The guidance midpoint implies approximately 24% adjusted net income growth and an adjusted return on equity greater than 20%. The midpoint of our guidance assumes a $10 million catastrophe load and a decrease of 10% on our excess of loss property catastrophe reinsurance renewal on 1 June. To help us deliver on these opportunities, we are implementing four strategic imperatives for 2026. One, leverage our scale to enhance profitable growth. Two, curate a one of one distinct portfolio. Three, deepen our position in existing markets and unlock new opportunities. And four, integrate, optimize, and execute.

An increase of 61% compared to the prior year's fourth quarter for.

Speaker #2: So, as we get to diversify the base and use our capital a little more efficiently, that helps the ROE. The thing we don't talk about a lot, but when you talk about thinking out years, is also our investment leverage.

For the fourth quarter of 2025, and as expected our ratio of net earned premiums as a percentage of gross earned premiums increased to 48, 2% compared to 39%, 39% in the fourth quarter of 2024 and compared sequentially to 43, 4% in the third quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: We have a very low investment leverage. As our retention increases and our portfolio diversifies, investment leverage will also come into play, and we'll be able to use that as part of our earnings growth as well.

Losses and loss adjustment expenses for the fourth quarter were $70 9 million comprised.

Speaker #1: Yeah , just to echo what Chris is saying , if you just look at I mean , I think that's important to point out too , is just the sustainable these margins are our net reserves as a percentage of surplus is under 30% .

Comprised of $72 9 million of Attritional losses, including $7 million of favorable <unk> and $2 1 million of favorable catastrophe loss development largely from Hurricane Milton.

Mac Armstrong: To help us deliver on these opportunities, we are implementing four strategic imperatives for 2026. One, leverage our scale to enhance profitable growth. Two, curate a one of one distinct portfolio. Three, deepen our position in existing markets and unlock new opportunities. And four, integrate, optimize, and execute.

Speaker #1: And our investment leverage is 1.43%. Compare those to industry averages. You know, you should feel like there's a fair bit of operating leverage in the model.

Favorable development was primarily from our short tail property lines of business.

Loss ratio for the quarter was 34% compared to 25, 7% in the prior year quarter losses for the quarter were driven primarily by higher attritional losses associated with growth in our casualty and crop business, partially offset by favorable development.

Speaker #9: That's great . Second question just on the fronting business , you know , is the thought that , you know , without additional fronting operations essentially will see sort of stability out of that unit .

Mac Armstrong: To support these imperatives, we are strategically deploying AI across our organization. Current initiatives underway are focused on enhancing our underwriting workflow, portfolio optimization, process automation, and operational efficiency. These efforts involve the use of both third-party tools and internally developed agentic solutions that should allow us to increase productivity and scale our organization. If we execute our plan and these imperatives, we will achieve our Palomar 2X objectives in 2026 and beyond. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chris to discuss our financial results and guidance assumptions in more detail.

Speaker #9: Perspectively . Because I think we're at the point , I think where we've lapped the the one fronting arrangement that , you know , went away , is that kind of the baseline thinking there ?

We continue to hold conservative physicians on our reserves favorable development as a result of our conservative approach to reserving upfront, allowing us to release reserves. Later. This was this quarter is a good example of this as we had conservatively reserved for hurricane Norton as well as a few other smaller events, where we are seeing.

Mac Armstrong: If we execute our plan and these imperatives, we will achieve our Palomar 2X objectives in 2026 and beyond. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chris to discuss our financial results and guidance assumptions in more detail.

Speaker #1: Yeah, Paul, I think our thinking is just fronting is not a strategic focus for us. And the premium has declined, as you pointed out.

Modest reserve releases.

Chris Uchida: Thank you, Matt. Please note that during my portion, when referring to any per share figure, I'm referring to per diluted common share as calculated using the Treasury Stock Method. This methodology requires us to include common share equivalents, such as outstanding stock options, during profitable periods and exclude them in periods when we incur a net loss. For Q4 2025, our Adjusted Net Income was $61.1 million, or $2.24 per share, compared to Adjusted Net Income of $41.3 million, or $1.52 per share for the same quarter of 2024, representing Adjusted Net Income growth of 48%. Our Q4 Adjusted Underwriting Income was $62.3 million, an increase of 52% as compared to $41 million for the same quarter last year.

Our acquisition expense as a percentage of gross earned premiums for the fourth quarter was 13% compared to 10, 9% last year's fourth quarter and compared sequentially to 10, 8% in the third quarter of 2025.

Speaker #1: And as a result, you know, it's really just not a meaningful reflection of the operating results of the business and the organizational focus.

Speaker #1: I think the other thing that's just worth pointing out is , you know , the fronting market has evolved to where it's really not a risk free fee generative business .

A little higher than expected driven by mix of business for the quarter, resulting in higher Commission and lower ceding Commission.

Chris Uchida: For Q4 2025, our Adjusted Net Income was $61.1 million, or $2.24 per share, compared to Adjusted Net Income of $41.3 million, or $1.52 per share for the same quarter of 2024, representing Adjusted Net Income growth of 48%. Our Q4 Adjusted Underwriting Income was $62.3 million, an increase of 52% as compared to $41 million for the same quarter last year.

Ratio of other underwriting expenses, including adjustments to gross earned premiums for the fourth quarter was eight 1% compared to seven 2% in the fourth quarter last year and compared sequentially to seven 9% in the third quarter of 2025.

Speaker #1: These are all most fronting deals that we see are participatory fronts . And so if they are going to require us to take 20% of risk , it's not a circumstance where we can we're comfortable .

As demonstrated by our continued investment in talent technology and systems, we remain committed to scaling the organization profitably. We continue to expect long term scale and this ratio. Although we may see periods of sequential flatness or increases due to investments in scaling the organization within our Palomar to X framework.

Speaker #1: So we'd rather support a handful of fronting relationships that we have . And focus our capital and resources on programs , but also just most importantly , internal efforts .

Chris Uchida: Our Adjusted Combined Ratio was 73.4% for Q4, compared to 71.7% last year. For Q4 2025, our annualized Adjusted Return on Equity was approximately 26.9%, compared to 23.1% for the same period last year. Our Q4 results continue to validate our ability to sustain profitable growth while maintaining returns well above our Palomar 2X target of 20%. Gross written premiums for Q4 were $492.6 million, an increase of 32% compared to the prior year's Q4. Net earned premiums for Q4 were $233.5 million, an increase of 61% compared to the prior year's Q4.

Speaker #1: So yeah, I mean, I think it's just the evolution of the fronting market combined with our strategic focus is what led us to this decision to just collapse it into the appropriate product categories.

Our net investment income for the fourth quarter was $16 million.

An increase of 41, 3% compared to the prior year's fourth quarter. The year over year increase was primarily due to higher yields on invested assets and a higher average balance of investments held during the quarter due to cash generated from operations our yield in the fourth quarter was four 8% compared to four 5% in the fourth quarter last year.

Speaker #9: Makes sense to me. As you know, I agree with you.

Speaker #1: Yeah, yeah, I think you told me once you’re picking up nickels in front of a steamroller. So, it wasn’t lost on me.

Chris Uchida: Gross written premiums for Q4 were $492.6 million, an increase of 32% compared to the prior year's Q4. Net earned premiums for Q4 were $233.5 million, an increase of 61% compared to the prior year's Q4.

The average yield on investments made in the fourth quarter was above 5%.

Speaker #3: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mayor Shields with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

At the end of the quarter, our net written premium to equity ratio was slightly above one to one our stockholders equity has reached $942 $7 million.

Speaker #10: Great . Thanks so much , Mack . One quick question on the guidance , and I apologize if I missed this , but what are the cat excessive loss attachment points that are embedded in the 2020 guide .

A testament to our consistent profitable growth.

Chris Uchida: For the fourth quarter of 2025, as expected, our ratio of net earned premiums as a percentage of gross earned premiums increased to 48.2%, compared to 39%, 39% in the fourth quarter of 2024, and compared sequentially to 43.4% in the third quarter of 2025. Losses and loss adjustment expenses for the fourth quarter were $70.9 million, comprised of $72.9 million of attritional losses, including $0.7 million of favorable development and $2.1 million of favorable catastrophe loss development, largely from Hurricane Milton. Favorable development was primarily from our short tail property lines of business. The loss ratio for the quarter was 30.4%, compared to 25.7% in the prior year quarter.

Looking at our full year 2025 results our strong topline performance continued to translate to the bottom line.

Speaker #1: Yeah, good question. And we didn't offer it. But we will assume the retentions remain at the same levels as expiring.

Our gross written premium increased 32% to $2 billion.

Our net earned premiums increased 57% to $802 6 million.

Speaker #1: So within retention, in around $12 million. And you know, earthquake, just several million dollars above that. Yeah.

Chris Uchida: Losses and loss adjustment expenses for the fourth quarter were $70.9 million, comprised of $72.9 million of attritional losses, including $0.7 million of favorable development and $2.1 million of favorable catastrophe loss development, largely from Hurricane Milton. Favorable development was primarily from our short tail property lines of business. The loss ratio for the quarter was 30.4%, compared to 25.7% in the prior year quarter.

Our adjusted combined ratio for the full year was 72, 7% compared to 73, 7% in 2024, resulting in adjusted underwriting income of $218 9 million.

Speaker #10: All right. That's a good place to start. With regard to the engineering, does that require new distribution relationships, both in general and with regard to data centers?

Growth of 63%, reflecting strong underwriting performance and continued operating leverage.

Speaker #1: Well , it it it does both . So it can leverage existing distribution relationships . But also it does bring new ones to bear .

Our net investment income for the full year was $56 million, an increase of 56% compared to 2024 all of those coming together, where our full year 2025, adjusted net income grew 62% to $216 1 million and our adjusted diluted earnings per share grew 54% to $7 86.

Chris Uchida: Losses for the quarter were driven primarily by higher attritional losses associated with growth in our casualty and crop business, partially offset by favorable development. We continue to hold conservative positions on our reserves. Favorable development is a result of our conservative approach to reserving upfront, allowing us to release reserves later. This quarter is a good example of this, as we had conservatively reserved for Hurricane Milton, as well as a few other smaller events where we are seeing modest reserve releases. Our acquisition expense as a percentage of gross earned premiums for Q4 was 13%, compared to 10.9% last year's Q4, and compared sequentially to 10.8% in Q3 2025. A little higher than expected, driven by a mix of business for the quarter, resulting in higher commission and lower seeding commission.

Speaker #1: And that's why we hired Matt . Matt actually was at Willis Towers Watson before he joined us . And has a long standing history of riding with kind of the , you know , the traditional alphabet houses here .

Resulting in an adjusted return on equity of 25, 9% compared to 22, 2% in 2024. It is also worth noting that our 2020 that our final 2025 results our $30 million or.

Speaker #1: But then there will also be a lot of wholesale produce business, which is kind of our bread and butter for commercial property.

Speaker #1: So, it's a combination of the two.

Speaker #11: And mayor , this is John . You know , one other thing to think about with regard to distribution , with what Matt brings on in the engineered space is up until he came on board in the fourth quarter , we were kind of in all that builder's risk , you know , from small single family homes all the way through commercial property , with the exception of engineered risk .

Chris Uchida: This quarter is a good example of this, as we had conservatively reserved for Hurricane Milton, as well as a few other smaller events where we are seeing modest reserve releases. Our acquisition expense as a percentage of gross earned premiums for Q4 was 13%, compared to 10.9% last year's Q4, and compared sequentially to 10.8% in Q3 2025. A little higher than expected, driven by a mix of business for the quarter, resulting in higher commission and lower seeding commission.

Our 16% ahead of the midpoint of our initial guidance provided at this time last year of $186 million.

Equivalent to an additional $1 10 per share for our shareholders.

Palomar to X philosophy continues to show in our results. Our 2025 adjusted net income more than doubled technically two three times from 2023 and two years off of our goal of three to five years with an ROE well above our target of 20%.

Speaker #11: And so now, as we think about the way that we face our distribution, we really come with a full solution across that Inland Marine department to be able to service all kinds of major components of builders risk in the U.S. market.

<unk> is a nice segue to our 2026 guidance, we are initiating our 2026 adjusted net income guidance with a range of $260 million to $275 million, including $8 million to $12 million of catastrophe losses, and incorporating the recently closed acquisition of <unk>.

Chris Uchida: The ratio of other underwriting expenses, including adjustments to gross earned premiums for Q4, was 8.1%, compared to 7.2% in Q4 last year, and compared sequentially to 7.9% in Q3 2025. As demonstrated by our continued investment in talent, technology, and systems, we remain committed to scaling the organization profitably. We continue to expect long-term scale in this ratio, although we may see periods of sequential flatness or increases due to investments in scaling the organization within our Palomar 2X framework. Our net investment income for Q4 was $16 million, an increase of 41.3% compared to the prior year's Q4.

Speaker #10: Okay . Thanks , Todd . That's very helpful . And then one last question . I just wanted to get a sense of current and maybe planned retentions on the casualty quota .

Speaker #10: Share

Speaker #1: So the casualty quota shares—we renewed that and kept our retentions flat year over year. And that's A11. So that's kind of locked in for the next 12 months.

The midpoint of the range implies 24%, 24% adjusted net income growth and doubling our 2024 adjusted net income in just two years.

Chris Uchida: We continue to expect long-term scale in this ratio, although we may see periods of sequential flatness or increases due to investments in scaling the organization within our Palomar 2X framework. Our net investment income for Q4 was $16 million, an increase of 41.3% compared to the prior year's Q4.

But from a modeling perspective, we expect many of the trends we have been sharing to continue in 2026 or 2025 full year net earned premium ratio was 44, 9%, we expect that ratio to increase into the upper <unk> for 2026.

Speaker #1: And you know , and we can right up to a $10 million limit within that treaty . You know , the average net though is going to be typically our average gross limit is going to be three .

On a gross earned premium basis, our full year 2025 acquisition expense ratio was 12, 1% and adjusted other underwriting expense ratio was 8% we expect improvements in both ratios for 2026, our full year 2025 loss ratio was 28, 5% favorable to our.

Chris Uchida: The year-over-year increase was primarily due to higher yields on invested assets and a higher average balance of investments held during the quarter due to cash generated from operations. Our yield in the fourth quarter was 4.8%, compared to 4.5% in the fourth quarter last year. The average yield on investments made in the fourth quarter was above 5%. At the end of the quarter, our net premium to equity ratio was slightly above 1:1. Our stockholders' equity has reached $942.7 million, a testament to our consistent profitable growth. Looking at our full year 2025 results, our strong top-line performance continued to translate to the bottom line.

Speaker #1: And the net will be less than a million.

Speaker #10: Okay. Understood. Thanks so much.

Speaker #1: Thanks , mayor

Speaker #3: Thank you . And we have reached the end of the question and answer session . I would like to turn the floor back over to Mac Armstrong for closing remarks .

Chris Uchida: The average yield on investments made in the fourth quarter was above 5%. At the end of the quarter, our net premium to equity ratio was slightly above 1:1. Our stockholders' equity has reached $942.7 million, a testament to our consistent profitable growth. Looking at our full year 2025 results, our strong top-line performance continued to translate to the bottom line.

Original expectations with that as a reference we expect our loss ratio, including catastrophes to be in the mid to upper <unk> for 2026.

Speaker #1: Thank you . Operator . And thank you , everyone . I appreciate your time and support of Palomar . As I close the earnings call , I want to thank our incredible team here at Palomar .

Our full year 2025, adjusted combined ratio was 72, 7%, we expect our adjusted combined ratio for 2026 to be in the mid seventies.

Speaker #1: Your execution and work in 2025 was exemplary, as evidenced by the strong guidance for 2026. We feel great about our prospects, and we look forward to sharing our success with our investors in 2026 and beyond.

These expectations reflect our expected growth business mix and use of capital as we build our specialty insurance platform.

Chris Uchida: Our gross written premium increased 32% to $2 billion, while our net earned premiums increased 57% to $802.6 million. Our adjusted combined ratio for the full year was 72.7%, compared to 73.7% in 2024, resulting in adjusted underwriting income of $218.9 million. Growth of 63%, reflecting strong underwriting performance and continued operating leverage. Our net investment income for the full year was $56 million, an increase of 56% compared to 2024.

We continue to expect quarterly seasonality in our operating results driven primarily by crop.

Speaker #1: Have a great day. We'll speak to you soon.

We believe our 2025 results provided a strong framework to model the business seasonality going forward.

I would like to spend a moment on our <unk> acquisition to provide some context on our surety business for 2026, we closed the grocery acquisition on January 31, 2026, with an estimated purchase price of 311 million financed with a $300 million term loan and cash on hand.

Chris Uchida: All of this coming together, where our full year 2025 adjusted net income grew 62% to $216.1 million, and our adjusted diluted earnings per share grew 54% to $7.86, resulting in an adjusted return on equity of 25.9% compared to 22.2% in 2024. It is also worth noting that our final 2025 results are $30 million, or 16% ahead of the midpoint of our initial guidance provided at this time last year of $186 million, equivalent to an additional $1.10 per share for our shareholders. Our Palomar 2X philosophy continues to show in our results.

The current interest rate on the term loan is super plus 175% given.

Given the ability to improve the spread depending on our total debt to capitalization ratio.

Given the interest expense from the term loan and the timing of the deal. We expect the addition of <unk> to be modestly accretive in 2026 before scaling in 2027.

Pro forma for Greg the unaudited written premium for our surety line would have been approximately $110 million in 2025 asthma as Mac mentioned, given our investment in the surety space and a reduced emphasis on fronting we will changing our written premium categories in 2026 for 2026.

Chris Uchida: Our 2025 adjusted net income more than doubled, technically 2.3 times from 2023 in 2 years off of our goal of 3 to 5 years, with an ROE well above our target of 20%.... Palomar 2X is a nice segue to our 2026 guidance. We are initiating our 2026 adjusted net income guidance with a range of $260 to 275 million, including $8 to 12 million of catastrophe losses and incorporating the recently closed acquisition of Gray Surety. The midpoint of the range implies 24%, 24% adjusted net income growth and doubling our 2024 adjusted net income in just 2 years. From a modeling perspective, we expect many of the trends we have been sharing to continue in 2026.

Our written premium categories, our earthquake inland marine and other property casualty crop and surety and credit fronting will be redistributed into these five product categories. We plan on providing a revised breakdown of our 2025 written premium in these categories in our next investor deck with that.

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Chris Uchida: The midpoint of the range implies 24%, 24% adjusted net income growth and doubling our 2024 adjusted net income in just 2 years. From a modeling perspective, we expect many of the trends we have been sharing to continue in 2026.

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Chris Uchida: Our 2025 full year net earned premium ratio was 44.9%. We expect that ratio to increase into the upper forties for 2026. On a gross earned premium basis, our full year 2025 acquisition expense ratio was 12.1%, and our adjusted other underwriting expense ratio was 8%. We expect improvements in both ratios for 2026. Our full year 2025 loss ratio was 28.5%, favorable to our original expectations. With that as a reference, we expect our loss ratio, including catastrophes, to be in the mid- to upper thirties for 2026. Our full year 2025 Adjusted Combined Ratio was 72.7%. We expect our Adjusted Combined Ratio for 2026 to be in the mid-seventies.

Our first question comes from the line Pablo <unk> with Jpmorgan. Please proceed with your inquiries.

Hi, Good afternoon first question just on the higher retention on crop.

You will size, how much should I will contribute to earnings next year versus what you earned in 2005.

Yes, no I think crop is a great example of the diversification of our business and the use of capital as we start retaining more we've talked about before that crop is a lower margin business than some of our other but also very stable, so very providing very consistent earnings base.

Chris Uchida: With that as a reference, we expect our loss ratio, including catastrophes, to be in the mid- to upper thirties for 2026. Our full year 2025 Adjusted Combined Ratio was 72.7%. We expect our Adjusted Combined Ratio for 2026 to be in the mid-seventies.

Generally speaking, it's going to have a combined ratio in the low <unk> say, 92%.

So for every call it.

Chris Uchida: These expectations reflect our expected growth, business mix, and use of capital as we build our specialty insurance platform. We continue to expect quarterly seasonality in our operating results, driven primarily by crop. We believe our 2025 results provide a strong framework to model the business seasonality going forward. I would like to spend a moment on our Gray Surety acquisition to provide some context on our surety business for 2026. We closed the Gray Surety acquisition on 31 January 2026, with an estimated purchase price of $311 million, financed with a $300 million term loan and cash on hand. The current interest rate on the term loan is SOFR plus 1.75%, given the ability to improve the spread depending on our total debt to capitalization ratio.

$100 million 10 points that we keep is adding another $8 million, let's say of pre tax income to the bottom line.

Got it thanks, Chris.

My second question then.

10% reduction in reinsurance costs Youre assuming.

That on a risk adjusted basis or absolute dollars youre talking about.

That's on a risk adjusted basis Barber, yes, so that just assuming that the.

Chris Uchida: I would like to spend a moment on our Gray Surety acquisition to provide some context on our surety business for 2026. We closed the Gray Surety acquisition on 31 January 2026, with an estimated purchase price of $311 million, financed with a $300 million term loan and cash on hand. The current interest rate on the term loan is SOFR plus 1.75%, given the ability to improve the spread depending on our total debt to capitalization ratio.

If you have like for like exposure would be down 10%.

So we.

Think about the forecast.

We're assuming.

Growth in quake. This year, we said is modest growth for earthquake.

And there is also what would be some exposure expansion, which would lead to us buying more limit.

Got it okay. Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of David <unk>.

Chris Uchida: Given the interest expense from the term loan and the timing of the deal, we expect the addition of Gray Surety to be modestly accretive in 2026 before scaling in 2027. Pro forma for Gray, the unaudited written premium for our surety line would have been approximately $110 million in 2025. As Mac mentioned, given our investment in the surety space and the reduced emphasis on fronting, we will be changing our written premium categories in 2026. For 2026, our written premium categories are earthquake, inland marine and other property, casualty, crop, and surety and credit. Fronting will be redistributed into these five product categories. We plan on providing a revised breakdown of our 2025 written premium in these categories in our next investor deck.

<unk> with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.

Alright. Thanks.

In your prepared remarks, you had talked a bit about a few new hires that you've made here in the fourth quarter.

As well I know you guys made a few more even before that.

Chris Uchida: As Mac mentioned, given our investment in the surety space and the reduced emphasis on fronting, we will be changing our written premium categories in 2026. For 2026, our written premium categories are earthquake, inland marine and other property, casualty, crop, and surety and credit. Fronting will be redistributed into these five product categories. We plan on providing a revised breakdown of our 2025 written premium in these categories in our next investor deck.

I'm, specifically interested on the underwriting side and the underwriting teams that you're adding is there any rule of thumb to think about.

How much growth you guys are expecting.

Those teams to contribute in 2026 and 2027, if we think about.

Just gross premiums written.

Yes, Dave Thanks for the question. It's a good one let me start by saying you're absolute right. We've added some.

Really strong talent to our organization over the course of 2025 and as we sit here in 2006, we continue to.

Chris Uchida: With that, I'd like to ask the operator to open the line for any questions. Operator?

Operator: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two to remove yourself from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please, while we pull for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Pablo Singzon with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Recruit and add.

Really strong underwriters and it's across both the casualty and.

The property franchise.

When we gave our guidance there is certainly an assumption around production from those various new hires.

But it really depends on the market that they're going into.

Operator: Our first question comes from the line of Pablo Singzon with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

A strong addition to our builders' risk franchise in Boston like that opens up.

Several million dollars. There are a few more million dollars of potential production there versus someone like Matt teens, who joins us on the construction engineering side.

Pablo Singzon: Hi, good afternoon. First question, just on the higher retention on crop, will you emphasize how much that will contribute to earnings next year versus what you earned in 2025?

Where it's a much larger tam.

Chris Uchida: Yeah, no, I think crop is a great example of the diversification of our business and the use of the capital as we, we start retaining more. We've talked about it before, that crop is a lower margin business than some of our others, but also very stable, so very providing a very consistent earnings base. Generally speaking, it's going to have a combined ratio in the low 90s, so say 92%. So for every, call it, $100 million and 10 points that we keep, that's adding another $8 million of, say, of pre-tax income to the bottom line.

Much larger.

Exposures, but I think overarching being the most important point to point at dimension is for all of these new hires we are not expecting them to.

Burning their way into a market or overextend themselves, we want to walk before we run and that's something that we've done for since we started the business and what that means is when they go into a market whether its a property as a property underwriter or a casualty writer theyre going to have a comprehensive and robust.

Pablo Singzon: Got it. Thanks, Chris. And then my second question, the 10% reduction in reinsurance costs you're assuming, is that on a risk-adjusted basis, or is that absolute dollars you're talking about?

Reinsurance solutions supporting them.

And then they are also going to have modest gross and net line sizes that they are deploying while we build traction.

Mac Armstrong: That's on a risk-adjusted basis, Pablo. Yeah. So that's just assuming that the, if you have like-for-like exposure, it'd be down 10%. So we, you know, when we think about the forecast, we are assuming growth in quake this year. We said there's modest growth for earthquake, and there's also would be some exposure expansion, which would lead to us buying more limit.

Good thing is theres, a lot of infrastructure that needs to be built out. So we don't want to open up the proverbial floodgates and not being able to service and underwrite the business effectively. So it's also very moderate in terms of distribution.

Ill just close with as an aside like for instance, we did write a an interesting construction engineering risk one of Matts first.

Pablo Singzon: Got it. Okay. Thank you.

The gross line was $76 million, our net was $4 million on it and that's because of the strong reinsurance relationships, we have who are able to.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Motemedi with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.

Able to use an existing facility and then we're also able to buy facultative reinsurance and I think.

That fact that you have that type of strong reinsurance support both facultative and.

David Motemaden: Hey, thanks. Mac, in your prepared remarks, you had talked a bit about a few new hires that you've made here in the Q4, as well, you guys made a few more even before that. I'm specifically interested on the underwriting side and the underwriting teams that you're adding. Is there any rule of thumb to think about how much growth you guys are expecting those teams to contribute in 2026 and 2027, if we think about just gross premiums written?

Treaty.

Is it a reflection of the quality of the underwriters.

And their experience.

Got it great. Thanks Thats encouraging.

Or.

I guess just another one on the earthquake growth is there any way you can just help us think through it sounds like.

Commercial was down just in terms of gross premiums written.

Residential was growing could you just break that out how much the residential book grew in the fourth quarter and how youre thinking about that within the modest growth that you outlined in 2026.

Mac Armstrong: ... Yeah, Dave, thanks for the question. It's a good one. Let me start by saying, you're absolutely right. We've added some really strong talent to our organization over the course of 2025. And, as we sit here in 2026, we continue to recruit and add really strong underwriters. And it's across both the casualty and the property franchise. You know, when we gave our guidance, there's certainly an assumption around production from those various new hires. But it really depends on the market that they're going into.

Yeah, Dave So what I would offer you is as I mentioned.

The residential quake is approaching about 60% of the book.

It's got strong policy retention and its writing good new business. So I think residential quake as youre looking at.

What we hope would be.

High single digits or double digits growth and then the commercial is going to be obviously continuing to see some pressure, especially in more large commercial business.

Mac Armstrong: You know, a strong addition to our builders risk franchise in Boston, like that opens up, you know, several million dollars or a few more million dollars of potential production there, versus, you know, someone like Matt Deans, who joins us on the construction engineering side, where it's a much larger TAM, and much larger exposures. But I think overarchingly, the most important point to mention is for all of these new hires, we are not expecting them to, you know, burn their way into a market or overextend themselves. You know, we want to walk before we run, and that's something that we've done since we started the business.

Where rates were down 15% and I think I would say from a rate deceleration standpoint, the rate decreases we expect them to hover at this level for.

Certainly the next several quarters.

So I think thats, what I would offer you is.

Residential quake is going to grow and should offset the deceleration in the commercial.

Mac Armstrong: But I think overarchingly, the most important point to mention is for all of these new hires, we are not expecting them to, you know, burn their way into a market or overextend themselves. You know, we want to walk before we run, and that's something that we've done since we started the business.

And then most of all most importantly is we should see margin expansion.

The fact is that property cat pricing should.

Allow us to really scale the residential quake.

Then absorb the softening on the primary rates in the commercial side.

Mac Armstrong: And what that means is when they go into a market, whether it's a property, as a property underwriter or a casualty underwriter, they're going to have a comprehensive and robust reinsurance solution supporting them. And then, they are also going to have, you know, modest gross and net line sizes that they're deploying while we build traction. The other thing is there's a lot of infrastructure that needs to be built out, so we don't want to, you know, open up the proverbial floodgate to not being able to service and underwrite the business effectively. So it's also very moderate in terms of distribution. I'll just close with, as an aside, like, for instance, you know, we did write a, an interesting construction engineering risk, one of Matt's first.

Got it yes, it sounds like the I guess, the ex ol pricing downturn is actually not as good as you guys were able to get on some of the stuff that you renewed here.

Recently, but maybe just just one more.

If I could for Chris So heard you on the.

The loss ratio being in the mid to upper Thirty's.

Mac Armstrong: The other thing is there's a lot of infrastructure that needs to be built out, so we don't want to, you know, open up the proverbial floodgate to not being able to service and underwrite the business effectively. So it's also very moderate in terms of distribution. I'll just close with, as an aside, like, for instance, you know, we did write a, an interesting construction engineering risk, one of Matt's first.

I'm sort of looking at that versus the <unk>.

31%.

Accident year loss ratio excluding cats.

In 2025, so it feels like that.

Getting a little bit worse than I think the old rule of thumb, which was two to four points deterioration.

Mac Armstrong: The gross line was $76 million, our net was $4 million on it, and that's because of the strong reinsurance relationships we have. We were able to use an existing facility, and then we're also able to buy a facultative reinsurance. And I think that fact that you have that type of strong reinsurance support, both facultative and treaty, is a reflection of the quality of the underwriters, and their experience.

Year. So I'm wondering if you could just unpack that a little bit.

What is it mix is it higher picks.

Yes that would be helpful. If you could just unpack that a little bit.

Yes, I think the simplest answer is going to view that it's no change in our picks I think we've said there's a lot of times that we are going to continue to reserve conservatively upfront reactive bad news quickly and do good news slowly and deliberately that has proven true throughout this year, where we have some favorable development. If you go back.

David Motemaden: Got it. Great, thanks. That's, that's encouraging. For, I guess, just another one on the earthquake growth. Is there any way you can just help us think through? It sounds like commercial was, was down just in terms of gross premiums written, residential was, was growing. Could you just break that out, how much the residential book grew in the fourth quarter, and how you're thinking about that within the modest growth that you outlined in 2026?

Call. It at this time last year, we weren't expecting.

Low <unk> loss ratio for this year I think this year was probably a little bit better than we expected crop contributed to that crop is a little bit favorable to where we expected. So maybe our loss ratio was a little bit better, but overall when I think about that 2% to four points I feel like this is right in line with that expectation, let's say we were $31 30 June four points were <unk> 36.

The other thing you've got to think about is that we are expecting some is still really strong growth from crop. The other assumptions were changing there is we're going to be taking 50% of that book versus 30%. This year, so that while adding profit to the bottom line does move the ratio is a little bit we've talked about it a lot I just talked about a little bit that crop does operate at a higher combined.

Mac Armstrong: Yeah, Dave. So what I would offer you is, as I mentioned, that, you know, the residential quake is approaching about 60% of the, of the book. It's got strong policy retention, and it's writing good new business. So I think residential quake is, you know, you're looking at what we hope would be, you know, high single digits to double digits growth. And then the commercial is going to be, obviously, continue to see some pressure, especially in more large commercial business, where, you know, rates were down 15%. And I think I would say from a rate deceleration standpoint, you know, the rate decreases will, we expect them to hover at this level for certainly the next several quarters.

And a higher loss ratio Mack said, it was better than <unk>.

80%, but even at 80% loss ratio that is higher than 31 or 30 June so taking call it.

Mac Armstrong: And then the commercial is going to be, obviously, continue to see some pressure, especially in more large commercial business, where, you know, rates were down 15%. And I think I would say from a rate deceleration standpoint, you know, the rate decreases will, we expect them to hover at this level for certainly the next several quarters.

20 points more of that if you are at 30, and taking 20% more or about 66% more of the losses plus higher growth is going to influence the loss ratio, but overall when you think about it and the reason, we're not saying that our combined ratio is going to jump at the same rate as we do expect to see some scale or leverage in the operating expenses.

Mac Armstrong: So I think that's what I would offer you, is residential quake is going to grow, and should offset the deceleration in the commercial. And then most of all, most importantly, is we should see margin expansion. You know, the fact is that, property cat pricing should allow us to really scale the residential quake, and then, you know, absorb the softening on the primary rates in the commercial side.

So when we talk about right now are low <unk> combined ratio for the year and kind of getting into the mid <unk> or 2026, I think that is taking all those factors into account, yes. The loss ratio is going to go up as expected and as we've talked about youre going to extremism savings potentially on the expense side, but overall, we're going to be.

The mid Seventy's combined ratio with a growing diverse book of business is delivering consistent profitability to the marketplace. That's something we've talked about for the last two or three years, continuing to do and Thats. What we plan on doing so overall, we feel like we're in a good spot loss ratio is doing exactly what we expected and overall the book is performing very well.

David Motemaden: Got it. Yeah, and it sounds like the XOL pricing at down 10 is actually not as good as you guys were able to get on some of the stuff that you renewed here recently. But maybe just one more, if I could, for Chris. So heard you on the loss ratio being in the mid to upper thirties. You know, I'm sort of looking at that versus the 31% accident year loss ratio, excluding cats in 2025. So it feels like that's getting a little bit worse than, I think, the old rule of thumb, which was 2 to 4 points deterioration a year. So I'm wondering if you could just unpack that a little bit. You know, what is it mix? Is it higher picks?

And David if I could just come back to the one point you made on the reinsurance yet 10%.

Is the assumption it is a little bit less a lower.

Risk adjusted decrease than what we saw in the first quarter.

But thats for the midpoint of the guidance. So there's certainly an opportunity to do.

Outperformed that 10% down, but I think thats the right level for us to assume at six one.

David Motemaden: So it feels like that's getting a little bit worse than, I think, the old rule of thumb, which was 2 to 4 points deterioration a year. So I'm wondering if you could just unpack that a little bit. You know, what is it mix? Is it higher picks?

Thanks, guys.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt <unk> with citizens.

Steve with your question.

Hey, Thanks, good morning.

David Motemaden: You know, that would be helpful if you could just unpack that a little bit.

Matt I appreciate your comments on kind of the casualty book that was really helpful.

Chris Uchida: Yeah, I think the simplest answer is going to be that it's no change in our picks. I think we've said this a lot of times, that we are going to continue to reserve conservatively upfront, react to bad news quickly, and to good news slowly and deliberately. That has proven true throughout this year, where we're able to have some favorable development. If you go back, you know, call it to this time last year, we were expecting a low 30s loss ratio for this year. I think this year was probably a little bit better than we expected. Crop contributed to that. Crop was a little bit favorable to where we expected, so maybe our loss ratio was a little bit better.

Can you, maybe just kind of zoom out and as we look at the book today, maybe year end 'twenty five.

Broad strokes like how much of the bookings and kind of access and primary GL, how much kind of in a poster.

All lines exposures whenever the big buckets that you kind of think of could you help us with that and then secondarily.

Chris Uchida: If you go back, you know, call it to this time last year, we were expecting a low 30s loss ratio for this year. I think this year was probably a little bit better than we expected. Crop contributed to that. Crop was a little bit favorable to where we expected, so maybe our loss ratio was a little bit better.

How much of that.

Directly written by Palomar and is any of it.

<unk> through some sort of program or delegated authority arrangement.

Yes, Matt Thanks for the question.

I'm excited to talk about the casualty franchise, because it really is performing well and been a nice success story. So just.

Chris Uchida: But overall, when I think about that 2 to 4 points, I feel like this is right in line with that expectation. Let's say we were call it 31, 32, we're at 4 points, we're at 36, right? The other thing you got to think about is that we are expecting some still really strong growth from crop. The other assumption we're changing there is we're gonna be taking 50% of that book versus 30%, this year. So that, while adding profit to the bottom line, does move the ratios a little bit. We've talked about it a lot, and I just talked about it a little bit. That crop does operate at a higher combined and a higher loss ratio. Mac said it was better than 80%, but even at 80% loss ratio, that is higher than 31 or 32.

The predominance of the book is going to be.

What we call E&S casualty, which would be GL kind of niche segment GL.

And then there is some professional lines, but again the majority of it is going to be excess and primary.

Chris Uchida: So that, while adding profit to the bottom line, does move the ratios a little bit. We've talked about it a lot, and I just talked about it a little bit. That crop does operate at a higher combined and a higher loss ratio. Mac said it was better than 80%, but even at 80% loss ratio, that is higher than 31 or 32.

General liability.

Not writing.

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The majority of cases, we do have a small amount of wheels business that's in our contractors.

Primary contractors GL, but on the whole, it's going to be niche categories of GL and then professional liability that's going to be more.

Chris Uchida: So if you're taking, call it 20 points more of that, if you're at 30 and taking 20% more or, you know, about 66% more of the losses, plus higher growth, that's going to influence the loss ratio. But overall, when you think about it, and the reason we're not saying that our combined ratio is going to jump at the same rate, is we do expect to see some scale or leverage in the operating expenses. And so when we talk about right now our low 70s combined ratio for the year and kind of getting into the mid-70s for 2026, I think that is taking all those factors into account. Yes, the loss ratio is gonna go up as expected, and as we've talked about.

Healthcare liability, which is a new example.

And that was one that we got into earlier this year I think it's important and just talk about overarching Lee on the casualty side.

We remain very disciplined.

Chris Uchida: And so when we talk about right now our low 70s combined ratio for the year and kind of getting into the mid-70s for 2026, I think that is taking all those factors into account. Yes, the loss ratio is gonna go up as expected, and as we've talked about.

Whether that's in our reserving 80% as I said of the IV in or something of the total reserve.

As <unk>, we have several lines of business and excess liability, where it's 100% of the reserve is IV in our cash.

Chris Uchida: You're gonna see some savings potentially on the expense side, but overall, we're gonna be mid-seventies combined ratio with a growing diverse book of business that's delivering consistent profitability to the marketplace. That's something we've talked about for the last 2 or 3 years continuing to do, and that's what we plan on doing. So overall, we feel like we're in a good spot. Loss ratio is doing exactly what we expected, and overall, the book is performing very well.

Casualty is only 16, 4% of.

Casualty reserves only 16, 4% of our surplus our limits are very conservative our average net limited 1 million our largest net line would be $2 3 million.

And our largest line of business as I pointed out which is our.

Our E&S casualty.

Mac Armstrong: And Dave, if I could just come back to the one point you made on the reinsurance. Yeah, 10% is the assumption. It is a little bit less, a lower risk-adjusted decrease than what we saw at Q1. You know, but that's for the midpoint of the guidance, you know. So there's certainly an opportunity to outperform that 10% down, but I think that's the right level for us to assume at 6.1.

Is $700000 on a net basis I think the other.

In fact, that's worth highlighting here is just the underwriting approach and it's going to be really focusing on writing if its excess buffer layers. So we're avoiding social inflation. So if we get a pop like its not a circumstance, where it's a surprise and theres a nuclear verdict and we are attaching.

20 excess of 100, and we get hit we're going to be attaching excess of one or we write and the primary one.

Mark Hughes: Thanks, guys.

David Motemaden: Thanks, guys.

Mac Armstrong: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Carletti with Citizens. Please proceed with your question.

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Volatility in that book.

Matt Carletti: Hey, thanks. Good morning. Mac, I appreciate your comments on kind of the casualty book. That was really helpful. Can you maybe just kind of zoom out? And as we look at the book today, maybe year-end 25, you know, broad strokes, like, how much of the book is in kind of excess in primary GL? How much is kind of, you know, professional lines exposures? Whatever the big buckets are that you've got to think of, could you help us with that? And then secondarily, you know, how much of that is directly written by Palomar? And is any of it done through some sort of program or delegated authority arrangement?

Matthew Carletti: Hey, thanks. Good morning. Mac, I appreciate your comments on kind of the casualty book. That was really helpful. Can you maybe just kind of zoom out? And as we look at the book today, maybe year-end 25, you know, broad strokes, like, how much of the book is in kind of excess in primary GL?

And then.

I should have started with this the talent. We have is exceptional these are professionals that.

I've been in this business for decades in the case of David Zappia, Frank Castro, Jason Porter in our casualty leaders I think it's also important to point out that we do have program business.

Matthew Carletti: How much is kind of, you know, professional lines exposures? Whatever the big buckets are that you've got to think of, could you help us with that? And then secondarily, you know, how much of that is directly written by Palomar? And is any of it done through some sort of program or delegated authority arrangement?

Right now, although it's about close to a little more than half our programs. Those leaders are involved in the underwriting of those programs setting underwriting rules, helping with the claims administration and adjudication. So it's really the philosophy that we had in property, where we work with the program administrator in builder's risk or.

Mac Armstrong: Yeah, Matt, thanks for the question. And excited to talk about the casualty franchise because it really is performing well and been a nice success story. So just the predominance of the book is going to be what we call E&S casualty, which would be GL, kind of niche segment GL. And then there is some professional lines, but again, the majority of it's gonna be excess and primary general liability. We are not writing wheels business for the majority of cases. We do have a small amount of wheels business that's in our contractors primary contractors GL.

Quake and we also write it internally.

It just it affords.

Sharing of ideas it affords the ability to access market segments that you couldnt potentially due on a direct basis. So we think it's a very good model.

And then I think the last thing I'd say about the casualty business.

If you look at how we use reinsurance we view that as a terrific validation of the underwriting.

We buy both treaty and fat and so fast reinsurance underwriters are looking at the individual risks and pricing them with US Treaty are looking treaty underwriters are looking at the portfolio and as I mentioned, we had several quota shares renew at one one.

Mac Armstrong: But on the whole, it's going to be, you know, niche categories of GL and then professional liability that's going to be more E&O or healthcare liability, which is a new example, and that's one that we got into earlier this year. I think it's important to just talk about overarchingly on the casualty side, you know, we remain very disciplined. And whether that's in our reserving, you know, 80%, as I said, of the IBNR, or of the total reserve, is IBNR. We have several lines of business and excess liability, where it's 100% of the reserve is IBNR. Casualty is only 16.4% of. Our casualty reserve is only 16.4% of our surplus. Our limits are very conservative. Our average net limit is $1 million.

Two of them were for a program two of them were for internal casualty all of them had improved economics. So again I think our casualty approach.

Execution, rather has been exceptional and I think our approach is well established and thoughtful.

Thank you that's super helpful. I appreciate all the color.

Okay.

Mac Armstrong: And whether that's in our reserving, you know, 80%, as I said, of the IBNR, or of the total reserve, is IBNR. We have several lines of business and excess liability, where it's 100% of the reserve is IBNR. Casualty is only 16.4% of. Our casualty reserve is only 16.4% of our surplus. Our limits are very conservative. Our average net limit is $1 million.

Thank you Aaron.

Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Anderson with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good afternoon, just on the reinsurance update the quake that you mentioned that was renewed was that commercial quake and did you purchase any incremental limit this year.

Hey, Andrew Yeah. Good questions. So the quota share that renewed was four commercial earthquake. We did have a commercial earthquake quota share renew and then we bought incremental limit that's for all of the quake book.

Mac Armstrong: Our largest net line would be $2.3 million. And our largest line of business, as I pointed out, which is our E&S casualty, is $700,000 on a net basis. I think the other fact that's worth highlighting here is just the underwriting approach. And it's going to be really focusing on writing. If it's excess, it's buffer layers, so we're avoiding social inflation. So if we get a pop, like it's not a circumstance where it's a surprise and there's a nuclear verdict and we were attaching, you know, 20 excess of 100 and we get hit. You know, we're gonna be attaching excess of 1 or we're writing the primary one. So it confines the volatility in that book.

It was a very modest amount most of the incremental limit will be procured at six one.

So and then we had one existing layer that renewed at one one and again those were all down in the 15% range.

Got you and maybe bigger picture here.

The cycle in some of the lines softens and doesn't seem like there's any constraint on capital here, but how would you kind of rank capital deployment opportunities across organic increase retention share repurchases and opportunistic tuck in deals, which you have some industry are doing.

Mac Armstrong: So if we get a pop, like it's not a circumstance where it's a surprise and there's a nuclear verdict and we were attaching, you know, 20 excess of 100 and we get hit. You know, we're gonna be attaching excess of 1 or we're writing the primary one. So it confines the volatility in that book.

Yeah, I think overarching Lee.

Opportunistic is the right term.

Mac Armstrong: And then I should have started with this: the talent we have is exceptional. You know, these are professionals that have been in this business for decades, in the case of David Sapia, Frank Castro, Jason Porter, and our casualty leaders. I think it's also important to point out that we do have program business. Right now, it's around close to a little more than half our programs; those leaders are involved in the underwriting of those programs, setting underwriting rules, helping with the claims administration and adjudication. So it's really it's the philosophy that we had in property, where we work with the program administrator in builders risk or earthquake, and we also write it internally. It just affords the sharing of ideas.

Today share buybacks looks pretty compelling.

As we scratch our heads inside our conference room, but nonetheless.

We still want to.

Grow organically and we think we have multiple growth vectors to grow the book organically. We also think we have the capital base to do so.

Mac Armstrong: Right now, it's around close to a little more than half our programs; those leaders are involved in the underwriting of those programs, setting underwriting rules, helping with the claims administration and adjudication. So it's really it's the philosophy that we had in property, where we work with the program administrator in builders risk or earthquake, and we also write it internally. It just affords the sharing of ideas.

We certainly as the balance sheet has grown it does afford us the.

The opportunity to take.

Increased our retentions like we're doing in crop. It's certainly something we can look at on cat Retentions, probably more specifically for earthquake cat retentions as that approaches at six one.

And for our property business, our inland Marine other property business has performed really well. So I think our desire is to potentially put out larger lines in selected classes like both the admitted and E&S builder's risk in excess national property.

Mac Armstrong: It affords the ability to access market segments that you couldn't potentially do on a direct basis. So we think it's a very good model. And then I think the last thing I'd say about the casualty business, like, you know, if you look at how we use reinsurance, we view that as a terrific validation of the underwriting. You know, we buy both treaty and fac, and so fac reinsurance underwriters are looking at an individual risk and pricing them with us. Treaty underwriters are looking at the portfolio. And as I mentioned, you know, we had several quota shares renew at 101. Two of them were for programs, two of them were for internal casualty. All of them had improved economics.

So I think it's a combination really ultimately opportunistic M&A.

We're proud that we bought three great businesses over the last 15 months.

Mac Armstrong: You know, we buy both treaty and fac, and so fac reinsurance underwriters are looking at an individual risk and pricing them with us. Treaty underwriters are looking at the portfolio. And as I mentioned, you know, we had several quota shares renew at 101. Two of them were for programs, two of them were for internal casualty. All of them had improved economics.

But.

That's really will be more opportunistic I think you should be thinking about as organic growth.

Leveraging the scale of the organization the balance sheet to potentially take more.

More of our own cooking.

And then also think about.

Opportunistic capital management through selected buybacks and repurchases.

Thank you.

Mac Armstrong: So again, I think our casualty approach, the execution rather, has been exceptional, and I think our approach is well established and, and thoughtful.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with <unk>. Please proceed with your question.

Pablo Singzon: Thank you. That's super helpful. I appreciate all the color.

Matthew Carletti: Thank you. That's super helpful. I appreciate all the color.

Yes. Thank you on the commercial Quake, you said you expect competitive pressure to continue through 2020.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Andersen with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

How does it look sequentially down 15 is it continuing to decline sequentially or is that.

Andrew Andersen: Hey, good afternoon. Just on the reinsurance update, the quake that you mentioned that was renewed, was that commercial quake, and did you purchase any incremental limit this year?

Stabilized at a low level and then you just got some tough comps.

Yes, Mark this is Mac thats a good question I think we're still.

Mac Armstrong: Hey, Andrew. Yep, good questions. So the quota share that renewed was for commercial earthquake. We did have a commercial earthquake quota share renew, and then we bought incremental limit that's for all of the quake book, but it was a very modest amount. Most of the incremental limit will be procured at 6/1. So, and then we had one existing layer that renewed at 1/1, and again, those were all down in the 15% range.

We started to see commercial quake pricing really soften in the second quarter of <unk>.

25, So we think we're still a couple of quarters to go there and then hopefully.

The comps lead to a deceleration I think the other thing too is one dynamic where you have the all risk players.

Tenths retaining more of the quake.

As they get through with 12 to 15 month period of that they'll start to get to where they are.

Andrew Andersen: Got you. And maybe bigger picture here as the cycle and some of the lines softens and doesn't seem like there's any constraint on capital here, but how would you kind of rank capital deployment opportunities across organic, increased retention, share repurchases, and opportunistic tuck-in deals, which you have some history of doing?

Managing capacity.

Overall limits in aggregates, so I think that will help.

<unk> added some but our view and we will talk about.

This year, we're having modest growth in earthquake is that pressure will persist in 'twenty six instantly in the first half of 2006, and a more pronounced fashion than commercial quake.

Mac Armstrong: Yeah, I think overarchingly, opportunistic, is the right term. You know, today, share buybacks looks pretty compelling, as we scratch our heads inside our conference room. But nonetheless, you know, we still want to grow organically, and we think we have multiple growth vectors to grow the book organically, and we also think we have the capital base to do so. You know, we certainly, as the balance sheet has grown, it does afford us the opportunity to increase our retentions like we're doing in crop. It's certainly something we can look at on cat retentions, probably more specifically for earthquake cat retentions as that approaches at 61. And for our property business, you know, our Inland Marine and the property business has performed really well.

And then on the crop your retention moving up to 50%.

If things go as planned does that continue to move upwards 50 again.

Well I think.

Well, it's a good lever to have to be able to Paul.

If you talk to Benson Latham, who has been in the crop business for a very long time. He would tell you the way to make money in crop is to retain more of it and you will make more money over the long term doing that and so that's something that we have.

Mac Armstrong: You know, we certainly, as the balance sheet has grown, it does afford us the opportunity to increase our retentions like we're doing in crop. It's certainly something we can look at on cat retentions, probably more specifically for earthquake cat retentions as that approaches at 61. And for our property business, you know, our Inland Marine and the property business has performed really well.

Do you see as <unk>.

Again, a potential lever.

The one thing that we want to be mindful of is just.

Capital allocation and while crop is not a capital overly capital intensive line the growth we're having.

Mac Armstrong: So I think our desire is to potentially put out larger lines in selected classes, like both admitted and E&S builders risk and excess national property. So I think it's a combination really ultimately, you know, opportunistic M&A. We're proud that we bought 3 great businesses over the last 15 months. But you know, that's really will be more opportunistic. I think you should be thinking about this as our organic growth, leveraging the scale of the organization, the balance sheet, to potentially take more of our own, eat more of our own cooking. And then also think about opportunistic capital management through selected buybacks and repurchases.

It's pretty it's pretty strong as I said, we're targeting over 30% growth so the.

The combination of growth and an increase in retention could start to put a little more pressure on how much capital we have allocated so that's something that we'll watch but.

Yeah.

That's what that's really once we get beyond that $5 billion threshold Mark. So I think in the interim we can continue to increase our retention and grow the book and then we'll take stock.

Mac Armstrong: But you know, that's really will be more opportunistic. I think you should be thinking about this as our organic growth, leveraging the scale of the organization, the balance sheet, to potentially take more of our own, eat more of our own cooking. And then also think about opportunistic capital management through selected buybacks and repurchases.

What is the right risk transfer structure from there.

Thank you.

Okay.

Andrew Andersen: Thank you.

As a reminder, if anyone has any questions you May press star one on your telephone keypad to join the queue.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Our next question comes from the line of Paul Newsome with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Mark Hughes: Yeah, thank you. On the commercial quake, you said you expect competitive pressure to continue through 2026. How does it look sequentially, this down 15? Is it continuing to decline sequentially, or is it stabilized at a low level and then you just got some tough comps?

Thank you.

Thanks Nichol.

I was hoping you could maybe expand upon a question I'm getting from investors, which is.

So the inevitably as the business mix moves away from earthquake, yes.

Well as increasing pensions.

Mac Armstrong: Yeah, Mark, this is Mac. It's a good question. I think we're still... You know, we started to see commercial quake pricing really soft in the second quarter of 2025. So we think we're still a couple of quarters to go there, and then hopefully the comps lead to a deceleration. I think the other thing, too, is, you know, one dynamic where you have the all-risk players potentially retaining more of the quake. They'll start to... As they get through a 12, 15-month period of that, they'll start to get to a point where they'll be managing capacity and overall limits and aggregates. So I think that will help stabilize it some.

Inevitably end up with returns on equity.

Yes.

Given that essentially have less reinsurance leverage.

Or is the model so.

We have some more balance in that regard.

And talking about 2026.

<unk>.

Longer term is that what we should be thinking about in terms of.

Mac Armstrong: They'll start to... As they get through a 12, 15-month period of that, they'll start to get to a point where they'll be managing capacity and overall limits and aggregates. So I think that will help stabilize it some.

The business delivers returns.

Yeah, Hey, Paul this is Mac.

After my views.

We continue I think I'll start with saying we continue to believe that Palomar two X is achievable for.

Mac Armstrong: But, you know, our view, and when we talk about this year having modest growth and earthquake, is that pressure will persist in 2026, you know, and certainly in the first half of 2026 in a more pronounced fashion on commercial quake.

The intermediate future.

And we will based on the guidance, we're giving we will double our adjusted net income from 24 in two years.

Mark Hughes: And then on the crop, your retention moving up to 50%, if things go as planned, does that continue to move up, or is 50 as high as it gets?

While maintaining an ROE that is above 20% and so we think that is sustainable maybe not doubling every two years.

But certainly maintaining an ROE thats over 20%.

Mac Armstrong: Well, you know, I think we'll—it's a good lever to have, to be able to pull. You know, if you talk to Benson Latham, who's been in the crop business for a very long time, he would tell you the way to make money in crop is to retain more of it, and you will make more money over the long term doing that. And so that's something that we do see as, again, a potential lever. You know, the one thing that we want to be mindful of is just capital allocation. And while crop is not a capital—overly capital-intensive line, the growth we're having is pretty strong. As I said, we're targeting over 30% growth.

That is with the changing.

Complexion of the book you have to remember we still have earthquake.

<unk> is our largest or top two largest line.

We're now, adding surety, which has very attractive margins as well that's a sub <unk> combined ratio book.

Mac Armstrong: And so that's something that we do see as, again, a potential lever. You know, the one thing that we want to be mindful of is just capital allocation. And while crop is not a capital—overly capital-intensive line, the growth we're having is pretty strong. As I said, we're targeting over 30% growth.

This is not a circumstance, where we're all of a sudden they're going to become a.

12% ROE business and a 95% combined.

Until we say otherwise, we're going to be generating an ROE that's in excess of 20% and we're going to be growing our bottom line.

At a very attractive rate and I think the guidance that we gave this year is illustrative of that and I think the investments that we're making in the business.

Mac Armstrong: So, the combination of growth, and an increase in retention could start to put a little more pressure on how much capital we have allocated. So that's something that we'll watch. But, you know, that's once-- that's really once we get beyond that half billion dollar threshold, Mark. So I think in the interim, we can continue to increase our retention and grow the book, and then we'll take stock at what is the right risk transfer structure from there.

Afford us the ability to sustain those parameters sustain those parameters.

Couple of things I'd add to that just for clarification right remember as we diversify as the portfolio grows we are able to leverage our capital base, a little more efficiency efficiently versus earthquake is very capital intensive so as we get to diversify the base and use our capital more efficiency that helps the ROE the thing.

Mark Hughes: Thank you.

We don't talk about a lot, but when you talk about thinking out years is also our investment leverage we have a very low investment leverage as our retention increases and our portfolio of diversified investments leverage will also come into play and we'll be able to use that as part of our.

Operator: ... Thank you. As a reminder, if anyone has any questions, you may press star one on your telephone keypad to join the queue. Our next question comes from the line of Paul Newsome with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Earnings growth as well.

Paul Newsome: Thank you. Thanks for the call. I was hoping you could maybe expand upon a question I'm getting from investors, which is, sort of inevitably, as the business mix moves away from earthquake, as well as takes increasing tensions, do you inevitably end up with returns on equity that are less, given that you essentially have to have less reinsurance leverage? Or is the model so such that you, you know, have sort of more balance in that regard? Just, and I'm not really even talking about 2026. I mean, just as you think out longer term, is that what we should be thinking about in terms of how the business delivers returns?

Just to Echo Chris's, saying, if you just look at I mean, I think that's important to point out too is just the sustainable these margins are.

Our net reserves as a percentage of surplus.

Under 30% and our investment Leverages, 143% compare those to industry averages.

And you should feel like there is a fair bit of operating leverage in the model.

That's great.

Question.

Just on the fronting business.

Is the thought that.

Paul Newsome: Or is the model so such that you, you know, have sort of more balance in that regard? Just, and I'm not really even talking about 2026. I mean, just as you think out longer term, is that what we should be thinking about in terms of how the business delivers returns?

Without additional funding operations.

Essentially we see some stability.

<unk> unit.

<unk>.

Because I think we're at the point I think where we've lapped.

The one funding arrangement.

Wei.

Mac Armstrong: Yeah. Hey, Paul, this is Mac. I'll offer my views. You know, we continue. I think I'll start with saying we continue to believe that Palomar 2X is achievable for the intermediate future. And we will, based on the guidance we're giving, we will double our adjusted net income from 2024 in two years while maintaining an ROE that is above 20%. And so we think that is sustainable. Maybe not doubling it every two years, but certainly maintaining an ROE that's over 20%. And that is with the changing complexion of the book. You have to remember, we still have earthquake is our largest or top two largest line. We're now adding surety, which has very attractive margins as well. You know, that's a sub 80 combined ratio book.

Is that kind of the baseline thank you Nan.

Yeah, Paul I think <unk>.

<unk> is just fronting is not a strategic focus for us and the premium has declined as you pointed out and.

And as a result, it is really just not a meaningful reflection of the.

Operating results of the business and the organizational focus I think the other thing that is worth pointing out is.

The fronting market has evolved to where.

Mac Armstrong: Maybe not doubling it every two years, but certainly maintaining an ROE that's over 20%. And that is with the changing complexion of the book. You have to remember, we still have earthquake is our largest or top two largest line. We're now adding surety, which has very attractive margins as well. You know, that's a sub 80 combined ratio book.

It's really not a risk free fee generative business at all most fronting deals that we see our participatory fronts and so.

If they are going to require us to take 20% of risk its not a circumstance, where we can we're comfortable so we'd rather support a handful of running relations that we have and focus our <unk>.

Capital and resources on <unk>.

Mac Armstrong: This is not a circumstance where we're all of a sudden going to become a 12% ROE business and a 95% combined. Until we say otherwise, we're going to be generating an ROE that's in excess of 20%, and we're going to be growing our bottom line, you know, at a very attractive rate. And I think the guidance that we gave this year is illustrative of that, and I think the investments that we're making in the business afford us the ability to sustain those parameters, sustain those parameters.

Programs, but also just most importantly internal efforts. So yes, I mean, I think it's just that the evolution of the fronting market combined with our strategic focus.

Led us to this decision that just collapse it into the appropriate product categories.

Makes sense to me as you know.

I agree with you.

Yeah Yeah.

I think you've told me want to picking up nickels in front of a steamroller. So.

It doesn't lock level.

Yes.

Okay.

Chris Uchida: A couple of things I'd add to that, just for clarification, right? Remember, as we diversify and as the portfolio grows, we are able to leverage our capital base a little more efficiently versus earthquake is very capital intensive. So as we get to diversify the base and use our capital a little more efficiently, that helps the ROE. The thing we don't talk about a lot, but when you talk about, you know, thinking out years, is also our investment leverage. We have a very low investment leverage. As our retention increases and our portfolio diversifies, investment leverage will also come into play, and we'll be able to use that as part of our earnings growth as well.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line May have shields with <unk>. Please proceed with your questions.

Great. Thanks, so much.

One quick question on the guidance.

I apologize if I missed this but what are the cat <unk>.

Chris Uchida: The thing we don't talk about a lot, but when you talk about, you know, thinking out years, is also our investment leverage. We have a very low investment leverage. As our retention increases and our portfolio diversifies, investment leverage will also come into play, and we'll be able to use that as part of our earnings growth as well.

Excess of loss attachment points that are embedded in the 2026 guidance.

Yes, good question and we didn't offer it but we will assume the retentions remain at the same levels as expiring so.

Our wind retention interim $12 million in.

Mac Armstrong: Yeah, just to echo what Chris is saying, if you just look at... I mean, I think that's important to point out, too, is just the sustainability of these margins. Like, our net reserves as a percentage of surplus is under 30%, and our investment leverage is 1.43%. You know, compare those to industry averages, you know, you should feel like there's a fair bit of operating leverage in the model.

Earthquake.

To $7 million above that.

Okay, Alright, that's a good place to start Tom.

With regards to the engineering does that require new distribution relationships, both in general and with regard to data centers.

Yes.

Well.

It does both so it can leverage existing distribution relationships, but also.

Paul Newsome: That's, that's great. Second question, just on the fronting business. You know, is the thought that, you know, without an additional fronting operations, essentially, we see sort of stability out of that unit, prospectively? Because I think we're at the point, I think, where we've lapped the one fronting arrangement that you know, went away. Is that kind of the baseline thinking there?

It does bring.

New ones to bear and that's why we hired Matt Matt actually was at Willis towers Watson before he joined us.

And.

Has a longstanding history of riding with the.

The traditional alphabet houses here, but then there will also be a lot of wholesale produce business, which is kind of our bread and butter for commercial property. So it's a combination of the two.

This is John one other thing to think about with regard to distribution with one <unk>.

Engineered space.

Mac Armstrong: Yeah, Paul, I think our thinking is just fronting is not a strategic focus for us, and the premium has declined, as you pointed out, and as a result, you know, it's really just not a meaningful reflection of the operating results of the business and the organizational focus. I think the other thing that's just worth pointing out is, you know, the fronting market has evolved to where it's really not a risk-free, fee-generative business. It's these... almost all fronting deals that we see are participatory fronts, and so, if they are going to require us to take 20% of risk, it's not a circumstance where we can-- we're comfortable.

It was up until he came on board in the fourth quarter, we were kind of in all corners of our builders' risk market.

Small single family homes, all the way through commercial properties.

The exception of engineered rich and so now this as we think about our the way we face our distribution, we really to come with a full solution across that inland Marine department to be able to service all kind of major components of builders' risk in the U S market.

Okay. Thanks, that's very helpful. And then one last question I just wanted to.

Mac Armstrong: It's these... almost all fronting deals that we see are participatory fronts, and so, if they are going to require us to take 20% of risk, it's not a circumstance where we can-- we're comfortable.

Get a sense of.

Currency, maybe planned retention on the casualty quota share.

So the casualty quota shares.

Mac Armstrong: So we'd rather support a handful of fronting relations that we have and focus our capital and resources on programs, but also just most importantly, internal efforts. So, yeah, I mean, I think it's just the evolution of the fronting market, combined with our strategic focus, has led us to this decision to just collapse it into the appropriate product categories.

We renewed that and kept our retentions flat year over year.

And Thats a one one.

So.

That's kind of locked in for the next 12 months.

We can write up to a $10 million limit within that treaty.

The average net though is going to be typically our average gross limit is going to be three and the average net will be less than $1 million.

Paul Newsome: It makes sense to me. As you know, I agree with you.

Mac Armstrong: Yeah, yeah. I think you told me once, you're picking up nickels in front of a steamroller, so it was a lot of fun.

Okay understood. Thanks, so much.

Thanks Meyer.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you.

And we have reached the end of the question and answer session I would like to turn the floor back over to Mac Armstrong for closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Meir Shields with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you operator, and thank you everyone I appreciate your time and support of Palomar as I close the earnings call I wanted to thank.

Meyer Shields: Great. Thanks so much. Mac, one quick question on the guidance, and I apologize if I missed this, but what are the cat excess of loss attachment points that are embedded in the 2026 guide?

Our incredible team here at Palomar your execution and work in 2025 was exemplary.

As evidenced by the strong guidance for 2026th we feel great about our prospects and we look forward to sharing our success with our investors in 2026.

Mac Armstrong: ... Yeah, hey, Meir, good question. We didn't offer it, but we will. Assume the retentions remain at the same levels as expiring. So, a wind retention in around $12 million and, you know, earthquake, just $several million above that. Yeah.

Have a great day, and we'll speak to you soon.

Thank you and this concludes today's conference you may disconnect. Your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

Meyer Shields: Okay. All right. That's a good place to start from. With regard to the engineering, does that require new distribution relationships, both in general and with regard to data centers?

Mac Armstrong: Well, it does both. So it can leverage existing distribution relationships, but also, it does bring new ones to bear, and that's why we hired Matt. Matt actually was at Willis Towers Watson before he joined us, and has a long-standing history of writing with kind of, you know, the traditional alphabet houses here. But then there will also be a lot of wholesale produced business, which is kind of our bread and butter for commercial property. So it's a combination of the two.

Jon Christianson: Hey, Meir, this is John. You know, one of the things to think about with regard to distribution with what Matt brings on in the engineered space is up until he came on board in Q4, we were kind of in all corners of that builder's risk market, you know, from small single-family homes all the way through commercial property with the exception of engineered risk. And so now this, as we think about our, the way that we face our distribution, we really come with a full solution across that inland marine department to be able to service all kind of major components of builder's risk in the US market.

Jon Christianson: And so now this, as we think about our, the way that we face our distribution, we really come with a full solution across that inland marine department to be able to service all kind of major components of builder's risk in the US market.

Meyer Shields: Okay, thanks, John. That's very helpful. And then one last question. I just wanted to get a sense of current and maybe planned retentions on the casualty quota share.

Mac Armstrong: So, the casualty quota shares, we renewed that and kept our retentions flat year-over-year. And that's a one one. So, that's kind of locked in for the next 12 months. And, you know, we can write up to a $10 million limit within that treaty. You know, the average net, though, is going to be typically, our average gross limit is going to be $3 million, and the average net will be less than $1 million.

Meyer Shields: Okay, understood. Thanks so much.

Mac Armstrong: Thanks, Meir.

Operator: Thank you. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mac Armstrong for closing remarks.

Mac Armstrong: Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone. I appreciate your time and support of Palomar. As I close the earnings call, I want to thank our incredible team here at Palomar. Your execution and work in 2025 was exemplary. As evidenced by the strong guidance for 2026, we feel great about our prospects, and we look forward to sharing our success with our investors in 2026 and beyond. Have a great day. We'll speak to you soon.

Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your line at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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