Q4 2025 Pacific Biosciences of California Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker #2: Good afternoon, and welcome to PAC Bio's fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings conference call. Earlier today, we issued a press release outlining the financial results we'll be discussing on today's call, a copy of which is available on the Investors section of our website at www.pacb.com, or as furnished on Form 8-K available on the Securities and Exchange Commission website. Our earnings presentation is also available on the Investors section of our website.
Kelly Guro: Good afternoon, and welcome to PacBio's Q4 and full year 2025 earnings conference call. Earlier today, we issued a press release outlining the financial results we'll be discussing on today's call, a copy of which is available on the Investors section of our website at www.pacb.com or as furnished on Form 8-K, available on the Securities and Exchange Commission website at www.sec.gov. A copy of our earnings presentation is also available on the Investors section of our website. With me today are Christian Henry, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Jim Gibson, Chief Financial Officer. On today's call, we will make forward-looking statements, including, among others, statements regarding predictions, estimates, expectations, and guidance. You should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements because they are subject to assumptions, risks, and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those projected or discussed.
[Company Representative] (PacBio): Good afternoon, and welcome to PacBio's Q4 and full year 2025 earnings conference call. Earlier today, we issued a press release outlining the financial results we'll be discussing on today's call, a copy of which is available on the Investors section of our website at www.pacb.com or as furnished on Form 8-K, available on the Securities and Exchange Commission website at www.sec.gov. A copy of our earnings presentation is also available on the Investors section of our website. With me today are Christian Henry, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Jim Gibson, Chief Financial Officer. On today's call, we will make forward-looking statements, including, among others, statements regarding predictions, estimates, expectations, and guidance. You should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements because they are subject to assumptions, risks, and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those projected or discussed.
Speaker #2: With me today are Christian Henry, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Jim Gibson, Chief Financial Officer. On today's call, we will make forward-looking statements, including among others, statements regarding predictions, estimates, expectations, and guidance.
Speaker #2: You should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements because they are subject to assumptions, risks, and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those projected or discussed.
Speaker #2: Please review our SEC filings, including our most recent Form 10Q and 10K, and our press releases to better understand the risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ.
Kelly Guro: Please review our SEC filings, including our most recent Forms 10-Q and 10-K, and our press releases to better understand the risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ. We disclaim any obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements except as required by law. We will also present certain financial information on a non-GAAP basis, which is not prepared under a comprehensive set of accounting rules and should only be used to supplement an understanding of the company's operating results as reported under US GAAP. Reconciliations between historical US GAAP and non-GAAP results are presented in our earnings release, which is available on the Investors section of our website. For future periods, we're unable to reconcile non-GAAP gross margin and non-GAAP operating expenses without unreasonable effort due to the uncertainty regarding, among other matters, certain acquisition-related items that may arise during the year.
[Company Representative] (PacBio): Please review our SEC filings, including our most recent Forms 10-Q and 10-K, and our press releases to better understand the risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ. We disclaim any obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements except as required by law. We will also present certain financial information on a non-GAAP basis, which is not prepared under a comprehensive set of accounting rules and should only be used to supplement an understanding of the company's operating results as reported under U.S. GAAP. Reconciliations between historical U.S. GAAP and non-GAAP results are presented in our earnings release, which is available on the Investors section of our website. For future periods, we're unable to reconcile non-GAAP gross margin and non-GAAP operating expenses without unreasonable effort due to the uncertainty regarding, among other matters, certain acquisition-related items that may arise during the year.
Speaker #2: We disclaim any obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements, except as required by law. We will also present certain financial information on a non-GAAP basis, which is not prepared under a comprehensive set of accounting rules and should only be used to supplement an understanding of the company's operating results as reported under US GAAP.
Speaker #2: Reconciliations between historical US GAAP and non-GAAP results are presented in our earnings release, which is available on the Investors section of our website. For future periods, we're unable to reconcile non-GAAP gross margin and non-GAAP operating expenses, without unreasonable effort due to the uncertainty regarding, among other matters, certain acquisition-related items that may arise during the year.
Speaker #2: The recording of today's call will be available shortly after the live call and the Investors section of our website. Those electing to use the replay are cautioned that forward-looking statements may differ or change materially after the completion of the live call.
Kelly Guro: The recording of today's call will be available shortly after the live call in the investor section of our website. Those electing to use the replay are cautioned that forward-looking statements may differ or change materially after the completion of the live call. I will now turn the call over to Christian.
[Company Representative] (PacBio): The recording of today's call will be available shortly after the live call in the Investor section of our website. Those electing to use the replay are cautioned that forward-looking statements may differ or change materially after the completion of the live call. I will now turn the call over to Christian.
Speaker #2: I will now turn the call over to Christian.
Speaker #3: Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Our fourth quarter results exceeded expectations and were highlighted by all-time record consumable revenue and strong instrument placements. For both the Revio and the Vega platforms, our strength in consumables also drove gross margins higher.
Christian Henry: Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Our Q4 results exceeded expectations and were highlighted by all-time record consumable revenue and strong instrument placements for both the Revio and the Vega platforms. Our strength in consumables also drove gross margins higher. We believe that the momentum we built as we exited 2025 will continue in 2026, and that we are well-positioned to execute on our strategy to drive both revenue growth and gross margin expansion in 2026. As previously announced, Q4 revenue grew 14% year over year and 16% quarter over quarter to $44.6 million. Our sequential step-up was driven by increased Revio and Vega sales, as well as record consumables, reflecting meaningful traction across a range of clinical sequencing applications. For the year, we recorded $160 million in total revenue, representing 4% growth over 2024.
Christian Henry: Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Our Q4 results exceeded expectations and were highlighted by all-time record consumable revenue and strong instrument placements for both the Revio and the Vega platforms. Our strength in consumables also drove gross margins higher. We believe that the momentum we built as we exited 2025 will continue in 2026, and that we are well-positioned to execute on our strategy to drive both revenue growth and gross margin expansion in 2026. As previously announced, Q4 revenue grew 14% year-over-year and 16% quarter-over-quarter to $44.6 million. Our sequential step-up was driven by increased Revio and Vega sales, as well as record consumables, reflecting meaningful traction across a range of clinical sequencing applications. For the year, we recorded $160 million in total revenue, representing 4% growth over 2024.
Speaker #3: We believe that the momentum we built as we exited 2025 will continue in 2026, and that we are well positioned to execute on our strategy to drive both revenue growth and gross margin expansion in 2026.
Speaker #3: As previously announced, fourth quarter revenue grew 14% year over year, and 16% quarter over quarter, to 44.6 million. Our sequential step-up was driven by increased Revio and Vega sales, as well as record consumables, reflecting meaningful traction applications.
Speaker #3: For the year, we recorded 160 million in total revenue, representing 4% growth over 2024. Consumable revenue drove the majority of our growth, both on a quarterly and full-year basis.
Christian Henry: Consumable revenue drove the majority of our growth, both on a quarterly and full year basis. In Q4, consumable revenue grew 15% year-over-year, reaching another record, and in fact, three of the past four quarters were record consumable quarters. We were especially pleased by the 55% growth in consumables for clinical and hospital customers in 2025. Our growth in the clinical market was largely driven by a combination of our whole genome sequencing applications in rare disease and targeted applications that leverage our PureTarget kit. This traction has helped offset the continued significant pressure that our customers are experiencing with regard to the academic funding environment, which has adversely impacted our instrument sales in 2025.
Christian Henry: Consumable revenue drove the majority of our growth, both on a quarterly and full year basis. In Q4, consumable revenue grew 15% year-over-year, reaching another record, and in fact, three of the past four quarters were record consumable quarters. We were especially pleased by the 55% growth in consumables for clinical and hospital customers in 2025. Our growth in the clinical market was largely driven by a combination of our whole genome sequencing applications in rare disease and targeted applications that leverage our PureTarget kit. This traction has helped offset the continued significant pressure that our customers are experiencing with regard to the academic funding environment, which has adversely impacted our instrument sales in 2025.
Speaker #3: In Q4, consumable revenue grew 15% year over year, reaching another record and, in fact, three of the past four quarters were record consumable quarters.
Speaker #3: We were especially pleased by the 55% growth in consumables for clinical and hospital customers in 2025. Our growth in the clinical market was largely driven by a combination of our whole genome sequencing applications and rare disease, and targeted applications that leverage our pure target kit.
Speaker #3: This traction has helped offset the continued significant pressure that our customers are experiencing with regard to the academic funding environment, which is adversely impacted our instrument sales in 2025.
Speaker #3: Turning to instruments, we shipped 21 Revio and 42 Vega systems in the fourth quarter, bringing our cumulative shipments to 331 and 147 systems, respectively.
Christian Henry: Turning to instruments, we shipped 21 Revio and 42 Vega systems in Q4, bringing our cumulative shipments to 331 and 147 systems, respectively. Taking a closer look at Revio, placements were impacted throughout the year due to the challenging funding environment, particularly in the Americas. That said, we were pleased to see strong momentum in Q4, with an increase in both shipments and pull-through per system compared to Q3. In 2025, approximately 20% of Revio orders were for customers who bought more than one system, and these multisystem orders give us confidence that our customers believe they will be scaling up in 2026. We also saw solid ordering trends for our Vega platform in Q4, particularly in EMEA.
Christian Henry: Turning to instruments, we shipped 21 Revio and 42 Vega systems in Q4, bringing our cumulative shipments to 331 and 147 systems, respectively. Taking a closer look at Revio, placements were impacted throughout the year due to the challenging funding environment, particularly in the Americas. That said, we were pleased to see strong momentum in Q4, with an increase in both shipments and pull-through per system compared to Q3. In 2025, approximately 20% of Revio orders were for customers who bought more than one system, and these multisystem orders give us confidence that our customers believe they will be scaling up in 2026. We also saw solid ordering trends for our Vega platform in Q4, particularly in EMEA.
Speaker #3: Taking a closer look at Revio, placements were impacted throughout the year due to the challenging funding environment, particularly in the Americas. That said, we were pleased to see strong momentum in the fourth quarter, with an increase in both shipments and pull-through per system compared to the third quarter.
Speaker #3: In 2025, approximately 20% of Revio orders were for customers who bought more than one system, and these multi-system orders give us confidence that our customers believe they will be scaling up in 2026.
Speaker #3: We also saw solid ordering trends for our Vega platform in the fourth quarter, particularly in EMEA. Some of the strength in Vega was due to orders that were delayed in the third quarter, but we are also seeing momentum in the Vega sales pipeline, which should result in placement growth in 2026.
Christian Henry: Some of the strength in Vega was due to orders that were delayed in Q3, but we are also seeing momentum in the Vega sales pipeline, which should result in placement growth in 2026. One of the key strategies behind the development of the Vega platform was to create more accessible HiFi sequencing platform so we could reach new customers. We're pleased to see that that strategy was working, as approximately 65% of the Vega placements in 2025 were to new-to-PacBio customers, demonstrating this instrument is successfully expanding the ecosystem for HiFi long-read sequencing users. From a regional perspective, Americas revenue increased 3%, Asia Pacific revenue increased 4%, and EMEA revenue increased 45% year-over-year in the fourth quarter.
Christian Henry: Some of the strength in Vega was due to orders that were delayed in Q3, but we are also seeing momentum in the Vega sales pipeline, which should result in placement growth in 2026. One of the key strategies behind the development of the Vega platform was to create more accessible HiFi sequencing platform so we could reach new customers. We're pleased to see that that strategy was working, as approximately 65% of the Vega placements in 2025 were to new-to-PacBio customers, demonstrating this instrument is successfully expanding the ecosystem for HiFi long-read sequencing users. From a regional perspective, Americas revenue increased 3%, Asia Pacific revenue increased 4%, and EMEA revenue increased 45% year-over-year in the Q4.
Speaker #3: One of the key strategies behind the development of the Vega platform was to create more accessible Hi-Fi sequencing platform so we could reach new customers.
Speaker #3: We're pleased to see that that strategy was working as approximately 65% of the Vega placements in 2025 were to new-to-pack bio customers, demonstrating this instrument is successfully expanding the ecosystem for Hi-Fi long-read sequencing users.
Speaker #3: From a regional perspective, America's revenue increased 3%, Asia-Pacific revenue increased 4%, and EMEA revenue increased 45% year over year in the fourth quarter. Each region benefited from higher Vega instrument shipments and Revio consumables, and we are particularly pleased with the strong growth in EMEA as more of our clinical customers shifted from pilot testing to broader clinical adoption.
Christian Henry: Each region benefited from higher Vega instrument shipments and Revio consumables, and we are particularly pleased with the strong growth in EMEA as more of our clinical customers shifted from pilot testing to broader clinical adoption. As we look ahead into 2026, we believe that our growth will accelerate as clinical adoption of HiFi continues. However, we are not anticipating that the academic funding environment will improve significantly. Considering these factors, we expect 2026 revenue to be in the range of $165 million to $180 million, representing approximately 8% growth at the midpoint of $172 million. Jim will share more details on our outlook and our underlying assumptions later on. Now, let's take a closer look at our consumable growth over the last couple of years.
Christian Henry: Each region benefited from higher Vega instrument shipments and Revio consumables, and we are particularly pleased with the strong growth in EMEA as more of our clinical customers shifted from pilot testing to broader clinical adoption. As we look ahead into 2026, we believe that our growth will accelerate as clinical adoption of HiFi continues. However, we are not anticipating that the academic funding environment will improve significantly. Considering these factors, we expect 2026 revenue to be in the range of $165 million-$180 million, representing approximately 8% growth at the midpoint of $172 million. Jim will share more details on our outlook and our underlying assumptions later on. Now, let's take a closer look at our consumable growth over the last couple of years.
Speaker #3: As we look ahead into 2026, we believe that our growth will accelerate as clinical adoption of Hi-Fi continues. However, we are not anticipating that the academic funding environment will improve significantly.
Speaker #3: Considering these factors, we expect 2026 revenue to be in the range of $165 million to $180 million, representing approximately 8% growth at the midpoint of $172 million.
Speaker #3: Jim will share more details on our outlook and our underlying assumptions later on. Now, let's take a closer look at our consumable growth over the last couple of years.
Speaker #3: In 2025, we delivered 19% consumable shipment growth, supported by our human-focused markets. When looking at our performance across non-human markets, we have grown in the low single digits, primarily due to funding challenges in the academic segment, as well as the industrial and agricultural markets.
Christian Henry: In 2025, we delivered 19% consumable shipment growth, supported by our human-focused markets. When looking at our performance across non-human markets, we have grown in the low single digits, primarily due to funding challenges in the academic segment, as well as the industrial and agricultural markets, which has historically been a meaningful portion of our business. We expect to see growth in this segment accelerate as these end markets start to recover. Within our human-focused markets, we have delivered a strong three-year CAGR of 23%, driven primarily by the launch of the Revio system, which offers greater scale than previous systems, and our focus on driving the adoption of clinical applications, including the launch of our PureTarget family of products. As I mentioned earlier, we delivered 55% growth in consumables to clinical and hospital customers in 2025....
Christian Henry: In 2025, we delivered 19% consumable shipment growth, supported by our human-focused markets. When looking at our performance across non-human markets, we have grown in the low single digits, primarily due to funding challenges in the academic segment, as well as the industrial and agricultural markets, which has historically been a meaningful portion of our business. We expect to see growth in this segment accelerate as these end markets start to recover. Within our human-focused markets, we have delivered a strong 3-year CAGR of 23%, driven primarily by the launch of the Revio system, which offers greater scale than previous systems, and our focus on driving the adoption of clinical applications, including the launch of our PureTarget family of products. As I mentioned earlier, we delivered 55% growth in consumables to clinical and hospital customers in 2025....
Speaker #3: Which has historically been a meaningful portion of our business. We expect to see growth in the segment accelerate as these end markets start to recover.
Speaker #3: Within our human-focused markets, we have delivered a strong three-year CAGR of 23%, driven primarily by the launch of the Revio system, which offers greater scale than previous systems and our focus on driving the adoption of clinical applications, including the launch of our pure target family of products.
Speaker #3: As I mentioned earlier, we delivered 55% growth in consumables to clinical and hospital customers in 2025. We plan to continue investing in this area in the years ahead, with the initial focus on rare disease, oncology, and carrier screening.
Christian Henry: We plan to continue investing in this area in the years ahead, with the initial focus on rare disease, oncology, and carrier screening. Rare disease genomics represents one of the largest and most historically under-penetrated opportunities in precision medicine. More than 300 million people globally are living with rare disease, yet for decades, a significant portion of patients have remained undiagnosed or misdiagnosed due to fundamental limitations in existing sequencing approaches. HiFi is increasingly becoming a trusted backbone for rare disease genomics because it delivers highly accurate, comprehensive views of the genome that can capture substantially all classes of variants in a single assay. As a result, researchers and clinicians are now able to move beyond incremental improvements and meaningfully improve diagnostic yield, disease understanding, and therapeutic development. Importantly, this opportunity is still in its early innings.
Christian Henry: We plan to continue investing in this area in the years ahead, with the initial focus on rare disease, oncology, and carrier screening. Rare disease genomics represents one of the largest and most historically under-penetrated opportunities in precision medicine. More than 300 million people globally are living with rare disease, yet for decades, a significant portion of patients have remained undiagnosed or misdiagnosed due to fundamental limitations in existing sequencing approaches. HiFi is increasingly becoming a trusted backbone for rare disease genomics because it delivers highly accurate, comprehensive views of the genome that can capture substantially all classes of variants in a single assay. As a result, researchers and clinicians are now able to move beyond incremental improvements and meaningfully improve diagnostic yield, disease understanding, and therapeutic development. Importantly, this opportunity is still in its early innings.
Speaker #3: Rare disease genomics represents one of the largest and most historically underpenetrated opportunities in precision medicine. More than 300 million people globally are living with rare disease, yet for decades, a significant portion of patients have remained undiagnosed or misdiagnosed due to fundamental limitations in existing sequencing approaches.
Speaker #3: HiFi is increasingly becoming a trusted backbone for rare disease genomics because it delivers highly accurate, comprehensive views of the genome that capture substantially all classes of variants in a single assay.
Speaker #3: As a result, researchers and clinicians are now able to move beyond incremental improvements and meaningfully improve diagnostic yield, disease understanding, and therapeutic development. Importantly, this opportunity is still in its early innings.
Speaker #3: We believe adoption today represents only a small fraction of the potential patient population, but momentum is building as institutions validate the clinical and economic value of long-read sequencing.
Christian Henry: We believe adoption today represents only a small fraction of the potential patient population, but momentum is building as institutions validate the clinical and economic value of long-read sequencing. I'll briefly walk through a few examples that demonstrate the value of HiFi and how it's helping these customers. At University of Washington Medicine, HiFi is being used to study sudden unexplained death in childhood, with the goal of preventing the loss of hundreds of children per year. The program has begun sequencing 200 families, supported by the Sudden Unexplained Death in Childhood Foundation, out of a broader cohort of more than 2,000 families. At Ambry Genetics, HiFi is being implemented in the ONCE study this quarter to assess the impact of long-read sequencing on diagnostic yields in patients with previously negative exomes and genomes.
Christian Henry: We believe adoption today represents only a small fraction of the potential patient population, but momentum is building as institutions validate the clinical and economic value of long-read sequencing. I'll briefly walk through a few examples that demonstrate the value of HiFi and how it's helping these customers. At University of Washington Medicine, HiFi is being used to study sudden unexplained death in childhood, with the goal of preventing the loss of hundreds of children per year. The program has begun sequencing 200 families, supported by the Sudden Unexplained Death in Childhood Foundation, out of a broader cohort of more than 2,000 families. At Ambry Genetics, HiFi is being implemented in the ONCE study this quarter to assess the impact of long-read sequencing on diagnostic yields in patients with previously negative exomes and genomes.
Speaker #3: I'll briefly walk through a few examples that demonstrate the value of Hi-Fi and how it's helping these customers. At University of Washington Medicine, Hi-Fi is being used to study sudden unexplained death in childhood, with the goal of preventing the loss of hundreds of children per year.
Speaker #3: The program has begun sequencing 200 families supported by the Sudden Unexplained Death in Childhood Foundation, out of a broader cohort of more than 2,000 families.
Speaker #3: At AmbriGenetics, Hi-Fi is being implemented in the once study. This quarter, to assess the impact of long-read sequencing on diagnostic yields in patients with previously negative exomes and genomes.
Speaker #3: Ambri expects to enroll approximately 1,000 patients in 2026, highlighting the growing role of Hi-Fi as a diagnostic tool. Through our collaboration with the NLORIM and Esperare, Hi-Fi is being used to comprehensively characterize the genomes of patients across dozens of ultra-rare diseases and to support the development of target antisense oligonucleotide therapies.
Christian Henry: Ambry expects to enroll approximately 1,000 patients in 2026, highlighting the growing role of HiFi as a diagnostic tool. Through our collaboration with the n-Lorem and EspeRare, HiFi is being used to comprehensively characterize the genomes of patients across dozens of ultra-rare diseases and to support the development of target antisense oligonucleotide therapies. This demonstrates HiFi's role not only in diagnosis, but enabling truly individualized treatment strategies. This morning, we announced the addition of HiFi to the iHope initiative, which brings long-read genomic sequencing to one of the world's largest equitable, rare disease genomic testing networks. With more than 1,000 patients supported annually through 25 clinical sites across 14 countries, HiFi will continue to expand the diagnostic possibilities for thousands of families worldwide. Taken together, we believe these examples illustrate why HiFi is uniquely positioned to become the leading sequencing technology in rare disease genomics.
Christian Henry: Ambry expects to enroll approximately 1,000 patients in 2026, highlighting the growing role of HiFi as a diagnostic tool. Through our collaboration with the n-Lorem and EspeRare, HiFi is being used to comprehensively characterize the genomes of patients across dozens of ultra-rare diseases and to support the development of target antisense oligonucleotide therapies. This demonstrates HiFi's role not only in diagnosis, but enabling truly individualized treatment strategies. This morning, we announced the addition of HiFi to the iHope initiative, which brings long-read genomic sequencing to one of the world's largest equitable, rare disease genomic testing networks. With more than 1,000 patients supported annually through 25 clinical sites across 14 countries, HiFi will continue to expand the diagnostic possibilities for thousands of families worldwide. Taken together, we believe these examples illustrate why HiFi is uniquely positioned to become the leading sequencing technology in rare disease genomics.
Speaker #3: This demonstrates Hi-Fi's role not only in diagnosis but enabling truly individualized treatment strategies. And this morning, we announced the addition of Hi-Fi to the iHOPE initiative, which brings long-read genomic sequencing to one of the world's largest equitable rare disease genomic testing networks.
Speaker #3: With more than 1,000 patients supported annually through 25 clinical sites across 14 countries, Hi-Fi will continue to expand the diagnostic possibilities for thousands of families worldwide.
Speaker #3: Taken together, we believe these examples illustrate why Hi-Fi is uniquely positioned to become the leading sequencing technology in rare disease genomics. We look forward to continuing to support our customers as these programs scale.
Christian Henry: We look forward to continuing to support our customers as these programs scale. As I mentioned, we are also focused on supporting the carrier screening market. The Babies in Focus project aims to sequence at least 2,000 samples across selected long-read technologies. We anticipate that our service partner, Eurofins Genomics UK, will sequence 1,000 of these samples between April and September 2026, using PacBio technology. This work is a vital step in demonstrating the feasibility of scaling long-read sequencing for a potential national newborn screening program. We believe our performance in this core will help build the evidence base for the UK's 2026 to 2030 spending review, positioning our technology for long-term growth within the NHS. Furthermore, the contract includes an optional extension for up to 1,000 additional samples through early 2027, providing a clear path for continued participation in this landmark study.
Christian Henry: We look forward to continuing to support our customers as these programs scale. As I mentioned, we are also focused on supporting the carrier screening market. The Babies in Focus project aims to sequence at least 2,000 samples across selected long-read technologies. We anticipate that our service partner, Eurofins Genomics U.K., will sequence 1,000 of these samples between April and September 2026, using PacBio technology. This work is a vital step in demonstrating the feasibility of scaling long-read sequencing for a potential national newborn screening program. We believe our performance in this core will help build the evidence base for the U.K.'s 2026 to 2030 spending review, positioning our technology for long-term growth within the NHS. Furthermore, the contract includes an optional extension for up to 1,000 additional samples through early 2027, providing a clear path for continued participation in this landmark study.
Speaker #3: As I mentioned, we are also focused on supporting the carrier screening market. The babies in focus project aims to sequence at least 2,000 samples across selected long-read technologies.
Speaker #3: We anticipate that our service partner, Eurofins Genomics UK, will sequence 1,000 of these samples between April and September 2026, using PacBio technology. This work is a vital step in demonstrating the feasibility of scaling long-read sequencing for a potential national newborn screening program.
Speaker #3: We believe our performance in this core will help build the evidence base for the UK's 26 to 2030 spending review, positioning our technology for long-term growth within the NHS.
Speaker #3: Furthermore, the contract includes an optional extension for up to 1,000 additional samples through early 2027, providing a clear path for continued participation in this landmark study.
Speaker #3: Hi-Fi also delivers a meaningful productivity and economic advantage by consolidating what has historically required multiple sequential tests into a single assay. Today, many rare disease patients undergo years of serial testing, ranging from single-gene tests and panels to exomes, short-read genomes, repeat expansions, and methylation assays.
Christian Henry: HiFi also delivers a meaningful productivity and economic advantage by consolidating what has historically required multiple sequential tests into a single assay. Today, many rare disease patients undergo years of serial testing, ranging from single gene tests and panels to exomes, short-read genomes, repeat expansions, and methylation assays. This results in long turnaround times, fragmented workflows, and a significant cost to our customers. With HiFi whole genome sequencing, customers can replace many of these individual assays with one comprehensive test that captures substantially all variant classes up front. This reduces time to answer from years to days, simplifies laboratory workflows, and lowers total testing costs meaningfully, while also generating a high-value data set that can be reanalyzed as new insights emerge. Taken together, this combination of speed, workflow efficiency, and improved economics reinforce why HiFi is increasingly being adopted as a frontline solution in rare disease genomics.
Christian Henry: HiFi also delivers a meaningful productivity and economic advantage by consolidating what has historically required multiple sequential tests into a single assay. Today, many rare disease patients undergo years of serial testing, ranging from single gene tests and panels to exomes, short-read genomes, repeat expansions, and methylation assays. This results in long turnaround times, fragmented workflows, and a significant cost to our customers. With HiFi whole genome sequencing, customers can replace many of these individual assays with one comprehensive test that captures substantially all variant classes up front. This reduces time to answer from years to days, simplifies laboratory workflows, and lowers total testing costs meaningfully, while also generating a high-value data set that can be reanalyzed as new insights emerge. Taken together, this combination of speed, workflow efficiency, and improved economics reinforce why HiFi is increasingly being adopted as a frontline solution in rare disease genomics.
Speaker #3: This results in long-term run times, fragmented workflows, and a significant cost for our customers. With Hi-Fi whole genome sequencing, customers can replace many of these individual assays with one comprehensive test that captures substantially all variant classes upfront.
Speaker #3: This reduces time to answer from years to days, simplifies laboratory workflows, and lowers total testing costs meaningfully, while also generating a high-value data set that can be reanalyzed as new insights emerge.
Speaker #3: Taken together, this combination of speed, workflow efficiency, and improved economics reinforces why Hi-Fi is increasingly being adopted as a frontline solution in rare disease genomics.
Speaker #3: We're also making great progress with respect to our population sequencing initiatives. In 2025, we saw studies like the All of Us study, which published their first data sets on long-read sequencing in October, the Long Life Family study that is targeting the sequence up to 7,800 samples, and the Asian Pan Genome Consortium, which is targeting the sequence more than 10,000 samples and creating the most comprehensive pan genome reference ever created.
Christian Henry: We're also making great progress with respect to our population sequencing initiatives. In 2025, we saw studies like the All of Us study, which published their first data sets on long-read sequencing in October, the Long Life Family Study, that is targeting to sequence up to 7,800 samples, and the Asian Pangenome Consortium, which is targeting to sequence more than 10,000 samples and creating the most comprehensive pangenome reference ever created. We look forward to enabling many more of these large-scale studies in the future. We're also seeing rapid momentum in the scale of data being generated on our HiFi platform, alongside a growing body of peer-reviewed evidence that reinforces its value. In 2025, our customers generated more than 60% year-over-year growth in HiFi data, making HiFi one of the fastest-growing data sets in life sciences.
Christian Henry: We're also making great progress with respect to our population sequencing initiatives. In 2025, we saw studies like the All of Us study, which published their first data sets on long-read sequencing in October, the Long Life Family Study, that is targeting to sequence up to 7,800 samples, and the Asian Pangenome Consortium, which is targeting to sequence more than 10,000 samples and creating the most comprehensive pangenome reference ever created. We look forward to enabling many more of these large-scale studies in the future. We're also seeing rapid momentum in the scale of data being generated on our HiFi platform, alongside a growing body of peer-reviewed evidence that reinforces its value. In 2025, our customers generated more than 60% year-over-year growth in HiFi data, making HiFi one of the fastest-growing data sets in Life Sciences.
Speaker #3: We look forward to enabling many more of these large-scale studies in the future. We're also seeing rapid momentum in the scale of data being generated on our Hi-Fi platform, alongside a growing body of peer-reviewed evidence that reinforces its value.
Speaker #3: In 2025, our customers generated more than 60% year-over-year growth in Hi-Fi data, making Hi-Fi one of the fastest-growing data sets in life sciences. Importantly, this growth has effectively doubled over the past 18 months and has significantly outpaced the broader market.
Christian Henry: Importantly, this growth has effectively doubled over the past 18 months and is significantly outpacing the broader market. In parallel, cumulative peer-reviewed publications have grown to nearly 12,000, with publication growth accelerating year-over-year. We believe this combination of rapidly expanding data output and evidence is critical, particularly in areas like rare disease, where diverse, high-quality data sets are essential to uncover complex biology, improve diagnostic yields, and ultimately drive new insights for patients. Now I'd like to turn to Spark Next, our next-generation consumable chemistry built around the multi-use SMRT Cells. We believe that Spark Next represents a fundamental step forward in our ability to deliver high-quality HiFi at a highly competitive price point.
Christian Henry: Importantly, this growth has effectively doubled over the past 18 months and is significantly outpacing the broader market. In parallel, cumulative peer-reviewed publications have grown to nearly 12,000, with publication growth accelerating year-over-year. We believe this combination of rapidly expanding data output and evidence is critical, particularly in areas like rare disease, where diverse, high-quality data sets are essential to uncover complex biology, improve diagnostic yields, and ultimately drive new insights for patients. Now I'd like to turn to SPRQ-Nx, our next-generation consumable chemistry built around the multi-use SMRT Cells. We believe that SPRQ-Nx represents a fundamental step forward in our ability to deliver high-quality HiFi at a highly competitive price point.
Speaker #3: In parallel, cumulative peer-reviewed publications have grown to nearly 12,000, with publication growth accelerating year-over-year. We believe this combination of rapidly expanding data output and evidence is critical, particularly in areas like rare disease, where a diverse high-quality data set is essential to uncover complex biology, improve diagnostic yields, and ultimately drive new insights for patients.
Speaker #3: Now I'd like to turn to SparkNext, our next-generation consumable chemistry built around the multi-use smart cells. We believe that SparkNext represents a fundamental step forward in our ability to deliver high-quality Hi-Fi at a highly competitive price point.
Speaker #3: By enabling reuse of the Smart Cell, historically the most expensive component of our sequencing workflow, we can amortize that cost across multiple runs, lowering the price per genome for customers while simultaneously expanding our gross margins.
Christian Henry: By enabling reuse of the SMRT Cell, historically the most expensive component of our sequencing workflow, we can amortize that cost across multiple runs, lowering the price per genome for customers while simultaneously expanding our gross margins. Spark Next is designed to deliver the most complete view of the genome, with whole genome HiFi sequencing at scale for less than $300 per genome. Importantly, Spark Next also increases system throughput, delivering approximately 25% higher output per SMRT Cell, as validated through customer-generated data in our beta program. This represents a major inflection point for our business as we deliver improved performance, higher throughput, and better economics, all at the same time. Today, we are pleased to share new and encouraging data from multiple customers participating in our Spark Next beta program.
Christian Henry: By enabling reuse of the SMRT Cell, historically the most expensive component of our sequencing workflow, we can amortize that cost across multiple runs, lowering the price per genome for customers while simultaneously expanding our gross margins. SPRQ-Nx is designed to deliver the most complete view of the genome, with whole genome HiFi sequencing at scale for less than $300 per genome. Importantly, SPRQ-Nx also increases system throughput, delivering approximately 25% higher output per SMRT Cell, as validated through customer-generated data in our beta program. This represents a major inflection point for our business as we deliver improved performance, higher throughput, and better economics, all at the same time. Today, we are pleased to share new and encouraging data from multiple customers participating in our SPRQ-Nx beta program.
Speaker #3: SparkNext is designed to deliver the most complete view of the genome with whole genome Hi-Fi sequencing at scale for less than $300 per genome.
Speaker #3: Importantly, SparkNext also increases system throughput, delivering approximately 25% higher output per smart cell, as validated through customer-generated data in our beta program. This represents a major inflection point for our business as we deliver improved performance, higher throughput, and better economics all at the same time.
Speaker #3: Today, we are pleased to share new and encouraging data from multiple customers participating in our SparkNext beta program. On the left, you can see a slide with data showing SparkNext has higher yields than Spark when sequencing high-quality human DNA libraries.
Christian Henry: On the left, you can see a slide with data showing Spark Next has higher yields than Spark when sequencing high-quality human DNA libraries. The Spark Next runs have longer insert lengths, which likely contribute to the yield difference and also higher read quality. We continue to evaluate the chemistry across additional sample types and will share the results as they become available. On the right, one of our customers generated data supportive of long-read sequencing, providing a higher diagnostic yield, shorter turnaround time, and fewer required tests, making HiFi a great choice for clinical use. Given the success of the early beta program, in a few weeks, we will expand the beta program to more customers, both domestically and internationally. We look forward to launching Spark Next broadly later this year.
Christian Henry: On the left, you can see a slide with data showing SPRQ-Nx has higher yields than SPRQ when sequencing high-quality human DNA libraries. The SPRQ-Nx runs have longer insert lengths, which likely contribute to the yield difference and also higher read quality. We continue to evaluate the chemistry across additional sample types and will share the results as they become available. On the right, one of our customers generated data supportive of long-read sequencing, providing a higher diagnostic yield, shorter turnaround time, and fewer required tests, making HiFi a great choice for clinical use. Given the success of the early beta program, in a few weeks, we will expand the beta program to more customers, both domestically and internationally. We look forward to launching SPRQ-Nx broadly later this year.
Speaker #3: The SparkNext runs have longer insert lengths, which likely to contribute to the yield difference and also higher read quality. We continue to evaluate the chemistry across additional sample types and will share the results as they become available.
Speaker #3: On the right, one of our customers generated data supportive of long-read sequencing, providing a higher diagnostic yield, shorter turnaround time, and fewer required tests.
Speaker #3: Making Hi-Fi a great choice for clinical use. Given the success of the early beta program, in a few weeks, we will expand the beta program to more customers, both domestically and internationally.
Speaker #3: We look forward to launching SparkNext broadly later this year. As we look ahead to the launch of SparkNext in 2026 and its potential to further strengthen our financial profile, it's important to recognize that this progress is building on a foundation that we have already established.
Christian Henry: As we look ahead to the launch of Spark Next in 2026 and its potential to further strengthen our financial profile, it's important to recognize that this progress is building on a foundation that we have already established. Over the past few years, we have made meaningful improvements in our financial profile, with improved Non-GAAP gross margins and operating expenses, as well as significantly lower cash burn. Non-GAAP gross margin has improved from 27% in 2023 to 40% in 2025, representing a 1,300 basis point improvement since 2023, and 700 basis point improvement in 2025 alone. Non-GAAP operating expenses have been reduced from $355 million in 2023 to $230 million in 2025, representing a 35% reduction since 2023 and a 20% reduction year over year.
Christian Henry: As we look ahead to the launch of SPRQ-Nx in 2026 and its potential to further strengthen our financial profile, it's important to recognize that this progress is building on a foundation that we have already established. Over the past few years, we have made meaningful improvements in our financial profile, with improved non-GAAP gross margins and operating expenses, as well as significantly lower cash burn. Non-GAAP gross margin has improved from 27% in 2023 to 40% in 2025, representing a 1,300 basis point improvement since 2023, and 700 basis point improvement in 2025 alone. Non-GAAP operating expenses have been reduced from $355 million in 2023 to $230 million in 2025, representing a 35% reduction since 2023 and a 20% reduction year-over-year.
Speaker #3: Over the past few years, we have made meaningful improvements in our financial profile with improved non-GAAP gross margins and operating expenses, as well as significantly lower cash burn.
Speaker #3: Non-gap gross margin has improved from 27% in 2023 to 40% in 2025, representing a 1,300 basis point improvement since 2023 and 700 basis point improvement in 2025 alone.
Speaker #3: Non-GAAP operating expenses have been reduced from $355 million in 2023 to $230 million in 2025, representing a 35% reduction since 2023 and a 20% reduction year-over-year.
Speaker #3: Cash burn excluding financings and acquisitions improved from $214 million in 2023 to $105 million in 2025, representing a 51% improvement since 2023 and a 44% improvement year-over-year.
Christian Henry: Cash burn, excluding financings and acquisitions, improved from $214 million in 2023 to $105 million in 2025, representing a 51% improvement since 2023 and a 44% improvement year-over-year. We ended the year with approximately $280 million in cash and investments. These actions have significantly improved the underlying economics of the business and, we believe, position us for a strong year ahead as we prepare to launch additional products and drive adoption in the long-read sequencing market. I'd also like to take a moment to thank our team for their hard work and dedication over the last few years, which has made these transformational improvements possible. Last week, we announced the sale of our short-read sequencing assets for net proceeds of approximately $48 million.
Christian Henry: Cash burn, excluding financings and acquisitions, improved from $214 million in 2023 to $105 million in 2025, representing a 51% improvement since 2023 and a 44% improvement year-over-year. We ended the year with approximately $280 million in cash and investments. These actions have significantly improved the underlying economics of the business and, we believe, position us for a strong year ahead as we prepare to launch additional products and drive adoption in the long-read sequencing market. I'd also like to take a moment to thank our team for their hard work and dedication over the last few years, which has made these transformational improvements possible. Last week, we announced the sale of our short-read sequencing assets for net proceeds of approximately $48 million.
Speaker #3: We ended the year with approximately $280 million in cash and investments. These actions have significantly improved the underlying economics of the business, and we believe position us for a strong year ahead as we prepare to launch additional products and drive adoption in the long-read sequencing market.
Speaker #3: I'd also like to take a moment to thank our team for their hard work and dedication over the last few years, which has made these transformational improvements possible.
Speaker #3: Last week, we announced the sale of our short-read sequencing assets for net proceeds of approximately $48 million. This transaction meaningfully strengthens our balance sheet and further extends our cash runway.
Christian Henry: This transaction meaningfully strengthens our balance sheet and further extends our cash runway. This action is a continuation of the strategic plan we outlined last April to sharpen our focus and concentrate our resources on our differentiated long-read sequencing portfolio. We believe this transaction positions us to execute more effectively on our mission to develop the world's most advanced sequencing technologies. With greater flexibility to invest in the areas where we can have the biggest impact, we are now better positioned to accelerate adoption of our long-read platforms across attractive growth markets and execute with confidence as we enter our next phase of growth. We remain committed to supporting our current Onso customers through this period, with ongoing commercial support and consumable supply this year... With that, I will now turn the call over to Jim to provide more details on our financial performance and outlook for 2026.
Christian Henry: This transaction meaningfully strengthens our balance sheet and further extends our cash runway. This action is a continuation of the strategic plan we outlined last April to sharpen our focus and concentrate our resources on our differentiated long-read sequencing portfolio. We believe this transaction positions us to execute more effectively on our mission to develop the world's most advanced sequencing technologies. With greater flexibility to invest in the areas where we can have the biggest impact, we are now better positioned to accelerate adoption of our long-read platforms across attractive growth markets and execute with confidence as we enter our next phase of growth. We remain committed to supporting our current Onso customers through this period, with ongoing commercial support and consumable supply this year... With that, I will now turn the call over to Jim to provide more details on our financial performance and outlook for 2026.
Speaker #3: This action is a continuation of the strategic plan we outlined last April to sharpen our focus and concentrate our resources on our differentiated long-read sequencing portfolio.
Speaker #3: We believe this transaction positions us to execute more effectively on our mission to develop the world's most advanced sequencing technologies. With greater flexibility to invest in the areas where we can have the biggest impact, we are now better positioned to accelerate adoption of our long-read platforms across attractive growth markets and execute with confidence as we enter our next phase of growth.
Speaker #3: We remain committed to supporting our current ONSO customers through this period, with ongoing commercial support and consumable supply this year. With that, I will now turn the call over to Jim to provide more details on our financial performance and outlook for 2026.
Speaker #3: Jim, thank you, Christian. I'll be discussing non-gap results, which include non-cash stock-based compensation expense. I encourage you to review a reconciliation of gap to non-gap financial measures and our earnings press release, unless otherwise noted, all growth rates are year-over-year.
Christian Henry: Jim?
Christian Henry: Jim?
Jim Gibson: Thank you, Christian. I'll be discussing non-GAAP results, which include non-cash stock-based compensation expense. I encourage you to review a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures in our earnings press release. Unless otherwise noted, all growth rates are year-over-year. Total revenue for the fourth quarter grew 14% to $44.6 million, compared to $39.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2024. Consumables revenue increased 15% to $21.6 million in the fourth quarter, with annualized Revio pull-through per system at approximately $242,000. The consumables growth was driven by an increase in our installed base, as well as consistent system utilization, despite the difficult funding environment.
Jim Gibson: Thank you, Christian. I'll be discussing non-GAAP results, which include non-cash stock-based compensation expense. I encourage you to review a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures in our earnings press release. Unless otherwise noted, all growth rates are year-over-year. Total revenue for the Q4 grew 14% to $44.6 million, compared to $39.2 million in the Q4 of 2024. Consumables revenue increased 15% to $21.6 million in the Q4, with annualized Revio pull-through per system at approximately $242,000. The consumables growth was driven by an increase in our installed base, as well as consistent system utilization, despite the difficult funding environment.
Speaker #3: Total revenue for the fourth quarter grew 14% to $44.6 million, compared to 39.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2024. Consumables revenue increased 15% to $21.6 million, in the fourth quarter, with annualized revenue pull-through per system at approximately $242,000.
Speaker #3: The consumables growth was driven by an increase in our installed base as well as consistent system utilization, despite the difficult funding environment. Instrument revenue increased 13% in the fourth quarter to $17.3 million, primarily driven by an increase in VEGA systems.
Jim Gibson: Instrument revenue increased 13% in Q4 to $17.3 million, primarily driven by an increase in Vega systems, which had initially commenced shipment in Q4 2024. We ended the quarter with 331 cumulative Revio system shipments and 147 cumulative Vega system shipments. In Q4, we placed several Revio instruments with key institutions at lower prices, and we believe these strategic accounts will ultimately drive higher utilization and above average consumable pull-through. As a result, the ASP for Revio in Q4 was approximately $482,000, which was roughly flat compared to Q3. Service and other revenue increased 11% to $5.7 million in Q4, primarily driven by an increase in service contract revenue related to Revio.
Jim Gibson: Instrument revenue increased 13% in Q4 to $17.3 million, primarily driven by an increase in Vega systems, which had initially commenced shipment in Q4 2024. We ended the quarter with 331 cumulative Revio system shipments and 147 cumulative Vega system shipments. In Q4, we placed several Revio instruments with key institutions at lower prices, and we believe these strategic accounts will ultimately drive higher utilization and above average consumable pull-through. As a result, the ASP for Revio in Q4 was approximately $482,000, which was roughly flat compared to Q3. Service and other revenue increased 11% to $5.7 million in Q4, primarily driven by an increase in service contract revenue related to Revio.
Speaker #3: Which had initially commenced shipment in Q4, 2024. We ended the quarter with $331 cumulative REVIO system shipments and $147 cumulative VEGA system shipments. In the fourth quarter, we placed several REVIO instruments with key institutions at lower prices, and we believe these strategic accounts will ultimately drive higher utilization and above-average consumable pull-through.
Speaker #3: As a result, the ASP for REVIO in Q4 was approximately $482,000, which was roughly flat compared to the third quarter. Service and other revenue increased 11% to $5.7 million in the fourth quarter, primarily driven by an increase in service contract revenue related to REVIO.
Speaker #3: From a regional perspective, America's revenue increased 3% to $20.7 million in the fourth quarter, primarily due to an increase in Revio consumables and higher Vega instrument shipments.
Jim Gibson: From a regional perspective, Americas revenue increased 3% to $20.7 million in Q4, primarily due to an increase in Revio consumables and higher Vega instrument shipments. Asia Pacific revenue increased 4% to $9.3 million in Q4, primarily due to increased sales related to Berry Genomics following the regulatory approval for clinical long-read sequencing in China, as they enable routine clinical testing in hospitals for thalassemia, as well as higher Vega instrument sales, which again, partially offset lower Revio instrument shipments. EMEA revenue increased 45% to $14.6 million in Q4. This strong growth was driven by an increase in Vega instrument shipments, as well as higher Revio consumables, as more of our clinical customers shifted from pilot testing to broader clinical adoption.
Jim Gibson: From a regional perspective, Americas revenue increased 3% to $20.7 million in Q4, primarily due to an increase in Revio consumables and higher Vega instrument shipments. Asia Pacific revenue increased 4% to $9.3 million in Q4, primarily due to increased sales related to Berry Genomics following the regulatory approval for clinical long-read sequencing in China, as they enable routine clinical testing in hospitals for thalassemia, as well as higher Vega instrument sales, which again, partially offset lower Revio instrument shipments. EMEA revenue increased 45% to $14.6 million in Q4. This strong growth was driven by an increase in Vega instrument shipments, as well as higher Revio consumables, as more of our clinical customers shifted from pilot testing to broader clinical adoption.
Speaker #3: Asia Pacific revenue increased 4% to $9.3 million in the fourth quarter, primarily due to increased sales related to Barry Genomics, following the regulatory approval for clinical long-read sequencing in China, as they enable routine clinical testing in hospitals for thalassemia, as well as higher VEGA instrument sales, which again partially offset lower REVIO instrument shipments.
Speaker #3: EMEA revenue increased 45% to $14.6 million in the fourth quarter, this strong growth was driven by an increase in VEGA instrument shipments as well as higher REVIO consumables, as more of our clinical customers shifted from pilot testing to broader clinical adoption.
Speaker #3: For the full year 2025, total revenue grew 4% to $160 million, compared to $154 million in 2024. Consumables revenue increased 16% to $82 million, primarily due to an increase in our Revio installed base as well as consistent utilization, and Vega consumable sales as customers started running samples on these instruments in the first quarter of 2025.
Jim Gibson: For the full year 2025, total revenue grew 4% to $160 million, compared to $154 million in 2024. Consumables revenue increased 16% to $82 million, primarily due to an increase in our Revio installed base, as well as consistent utilization, and Vega consumable sales as customers started running samples on these instruments in Q1 2025. Instrument revenue decreased 18% to $53.8 million, primarily driven by lower Revio system shipments, partially offset by an increase in Vega systems as we commenced shipping this platform late last year. Service and other revenue increased 36% to $24.2 million, primarily driven by an increase in service contract revenue related to Revio. From a regional perspective, Americas revenue decreased 8% to $72.8 million.
Jim Gibson: For the full year 2025, total revenue grew 4% to $160 million, compared to $154 million in 2024. Consumables revenue increased 16% to $82 million, primarily due to an increase in our Revio installed base, as well as consistent utilization, and Vega consumable sales as customers started running samples on these instruments in Q1 2025. Instrument revenue decreased 18% to $53.8 million, primarily driven by lower Revio system shipments, partially offset by an increase in Vega systems as we commenced shipping this platform late last year. Service and other revenue increased 36% to $24.2 million, primarily driven by an increase in service contract revenue related to Revio. From a regional perspective, Americas revenue decreased 8% to $72.8 million.
Speaker #3: Instrument revenue decreased 18% to $53.8 million, primarily driven by lower Revio system shipments, partially offset by an increase in Vega systems as we commenced shipping this platform late last year.
Speaker #3: Service and other revenue increased 36% to $24.2 million, primarily driven by an increase in service contract revenue related to REVIO. From a regional perspective, America's revenue decreased 8% to $72.8 million, Asia Pacific revenue increased 6% to $43.2 million, and EMEA revenue increased 27% to $44 million.
Jim Gibson: Asia Pacific revenue increased 6% to $43.2 million, and EMEA revenue increased 27% to $44 million, with similar trends to what we saw in Q4. Moving down the P&L, non-GAAP gross margin was 40% in Q4 2025, compared to 31% in Q4 2024. This significant increase was driven by product mix, with consumables contributing a higher percentage of our total revenue, as well as the realization of cost improvement initiatives for Revio and Vega, and continued high yields for Revio SMRT Cells. We also saw an improvement on an annual basis, with full year 2025 non-GAAP gross margin of 40%, compared to 33% in full year 2024.
Jim Gibson: Asia Pacific revenue increased 6% to $43.2 million, and EMEA revenue increased 27% to $44 million, with similar trends to what we saw in Q4. Moving down the P&L, non-GAAP gross margin was 40% in Q4 2025, compared to 31% in Q4 2024. This significant increase was driven by product mix, with consumables contributing a higher percentage of our total revenue, as well as the realization of cost improvement initiatives for Revio and Vega, and continued high yields for Revio SMRT Cells. We also saw an improvement on an annual basis, with full year 2025 non-GAAP gross margin of 40%, compared to 33% in full year 2024.
Speaker #3: With similar trends to what we saw in Q4. Moving down the P&L, non-gap gross margin was 40% in the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to 31% in the fourth quarter of 2024.
Speaker #3: This significant increase was driven by product mix, with consumables contributing a higher percentage of our total revenue, as well as the realization of cost improvement initiatives for REVIO and VEGA, and continued high yields for REVIO smart cells.
Speaker #3: We also saw an improvement on an annual basis, with full year 2025 non-GAAP gross margin of 40%, compared to 33% in full year 2024.
Speaker #3: Non-GAAP operating expenses were $56.2 million, including $8.6 million of non-cash share-based compensation, compared to $68.6 million, including $14.8 million of non-cash share-based compensation, in the fourth quarter of 2024.
Jim Gibson: Non-GAAP operating expenses were $56.2 million, including $8.6 million of non-cash share-based compensation, compared to $68.6 million, including $14.8 million of non-cash share-based compensation in Q4 2024. This 18% reduction year-over-year was largely driven by lower headcount due to our restructuring efforts and lower non-cash share-based compensation. We have been highly disciplined in our spend as we sharpen our strategic focus on long-read sequencing, including the recent sale of our short-read assets. On a full year basis, non-GAAP operating expenses were $229.9 million in 2025, compared to $289.2 million in 2024. Operating expenses in full year 2025 included non-cash share-based compensation of $37.7 million, compared to $65.3 million in 2024.
Jim Gibson: Non-GAAP operating expenses were $56.2 million, including $8.6 million of non-cash share-based compensation, compared to $68.6 million, including $14.8 million of non-cash share-based compensation in Q4 2024. This 18% reduction year-over-year was largely driven by lower headcount due to our restructuring efforts and lower non-cash share-based compensation. We have been highly disciplined in our spend as we sharpen our strategic focus on long-read sequencing, including the recent sale of our short-read assets. On a full year basis, non-GAAP operating expenses were $229.9 million in 2025, compared to $289.2 million in 2024. Operating expenses in full year 2025 included non-cash share-based compensation of $37.7 million, compared to $65.3 million in 2024.
Speaker #3: This 18% reduction year-over-year was largely driven by lower headcount due to our restructuring efforts and lower non-cash share-based compensation. We have been highly disciplined in our spend as we sharpen our strategic focus on long-read sequencing, including the recent sale of our short-read assets.
Speaker #3: On a full year basis, non-gap operating expenses were $229.9 million in 2025, compared to $289.2 million in 2024. Operating expenses in full year 2025 included non-cash share-based compensation of $37.7 million, compared to $65.3 million in 2024.
Speaker #3: Regarding headcount, we ended the year with 485 employees, compared to 490 at the end of the third quarter of 2025, and 16% lower compared to 575 at the end of the fourth quarter of 2024.
Jim Gibson: Regarding headcount, we ended the year with 485 employees, compared to 490 at the end of Q3 2025, and 16% lower compared to 575 at the end of Q4 2024. Non-GAAP net loss was $37.6 million in Q4 2025, representing $0.12 per share, compared to $55.3 million in Q4 2024, representing $0.20 per share. Non-GAAP net loss was $158.8 million in full year 2025, representing $0.53 per share, compared to $228 million in 2024, representing $0.83 per share.
Jim Gibson: Regarding headcount, we ended the year with 485 employees, compared to 490 at the end of Q3 2025, and 16% lower compared to 575 at the end of Q4 2024. Non-GAAP net loss was $37.6 million in Q4 2025, representing $0.12 per share, compared to $55.3 million in Q4 2024, representing $0.20 per share. Non-GAAP net loss was $158.8 million in full year 2025, representing $0.53 per share, compared to $228 million in 2024, representing $0.83 per share.
Speaker #3: Non-gap net loss was $37.6 million, in the fourth quarter of 2025, representing 12 cents per share. Compared to $55.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2024, representing 20 cents per share.
Speaker #3: Non-gap net loss was $158.8 million, in full year 2025, representing 53 cents per share. Compared to $228 million in 2024, representing 83 cents per share.
Speaker #3: We ended the year with $279.5 million in unrestricted cash, cash equivalents in investments, compared with $389.9 million at the end of 2024. Turning to our outlook for 2026, we expect full year revenue to be in the range of $165 million to $180 million, representing approximately 8% year-over-year growth at the midpoint.
Jim Gibson: We ended the year with $279.5 million in unrestricted cash, cash equivalents, and investments, compared with $389.9 million at the end of 2024. Turning to our outlook for 2026, we expect full year revenue to be in the range of $165 million to $180 million, representing approximately 8% year-over-year growth at the midpoint. At the midpoint, we assume consumables remain the primary driver of growth, supported by increasing utilization by our clinical and hospital customers, as well as further expansion of the Revio and Vega installed base. While we are encouraged by the recent NIH budget updates, academic customers remain cautious, given ongoing uncertainty around funding, visibility, and grant timing.
Jim Gibson: We ended the year with $279.5 million in unrestricted cash, cash equivalents, and investments, compared with $389.9 million at the end of 2024. Turning to our outlook for 2026, we expect full year revenue to be in the range of $165 million to $180 million, representing approximately 8% year-over-year growth at the midpoint. At the midpoint, we assume consumables remain the primary driver of growth, supported by increasing utilization by our clinical and hospital customers, as well as further expansion of the Revio and Vega installed base. While we are encouraged by the recent NIH budget updates, academic customers remain cautious, given ongoing uncertainty around funding, visibility, and grant timing.
Speaker #3: At the midpoint, we assume growth, supported by increasing utilization by our clinical and hospital customers, as well as further expansion of the REVIO and VEGA installed base.
Speaker #3: While we are encouraged by the recent NIH budget updates, academic customers remain cautious given ongoing uncertainty around funding visibility and grant timing. Our outlook assumes a continuation of the muted academic spending environment we've experienced over the last several quarters, particularly in the Americas, and we are not expecting a broad recovery in capital spending for these academic customers.
Jim Gibson: Our outlook assumes a continuation of the muted academic spending environment we've experienced over the last several quarters, particularly in the Americas, and we are not expecting a broad recovery in capital spending for these academic customers. Moving down the PNL, we expect to see a 100 to 400 basis point improvement in non-GAAP gross margin in 2026. Factors that will positively impact gross margin will include higher consumables mix and the introduction of Spark Next in the second half of the year. In spite of continued Revio and Vega cost reduction initiatives, there may be potential headwinds with the compute associated with these instruments, as we are currently seeing significant volatility with the components, such as memory costs.
Jim Gibson: Our outlook assumes a continuation of the muted academic spending environment we've experienced over the last several quarters, particularly in the Americas, and we are not expecting a broad recovery in capital spending for these academic customers. Moving down the PNL, we expect to see a 100 to 400 basis point improvement in non-GAAP gross margin in 2026. Factors that will positively impact gross margin will include higher consumables mix and the introduction of Spark Next in the second half of the year. In spite of continued Revio and Vega cost reduction initiatives, there may be potential headwinds with the compute associated with these instruments, as we are currently seeing significant volatility with the components, such as memory costs.
Speaker #3: Moving down the P&L, we expect to see a $100 to $400 basis point improvement in non-gap gross margin in 2026. Factors that will positively impact gross margin will include higher consumables mix, and the introduction of SparkNext in the second half of the year.
Speaker #3: In spite of continued REVIO and VEGA cost reduction initiatives, there may be potential headwinds with the compute associated with these instruments, as we are currently seeing significant volatility with components such as memory costs.
Speaker #3: We expect non-GAAP operating expenses to slightly improve compared to 2025 levels, as we continue to tightly manage operating expenses and invest in our next-generation sequencing platform.
Jim Gibson: We expect non-GAAP operating expenses to slightly improve compared to 2025 levels, as we continue to tightly manage operating expenses and invest in our next generation sequencing platform. With improving revenue mix, expanding gross margins, and disciplined cost management, we believe the company remains on a clear path towards cash flow breakeven. I'll now hand the call back to Christian for closing remarks.
Jim Gibson: We expect non-GAAP operating expenses to slightly improve compared to 2025 levels, as we continue to tightly manage operating expenses and invest in our next generation sequencing platform. With improving revenue mix, expanding gross margins, and disciplined cost management, we believe the company remains on a clear path towards cash flow breakeven. I'll now hand the call back to Christian for closing remarks.
Speaker #3: With improving revenue mix, expanding gross margins, and disciplined cost management, we believe the company remains on a clear path towards cash flow break-even. I'll now hand the call back to Christian for closing remarks.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Jim. 2026 is shaping up to be an exciting year for PacBio. We're focused on enabling Hi-Fi to become the sequencing standard of care through five key initiatives.
Christian Henry: Thanks, Jim. 2026 is shaping up to be an exciting year for PacBio. We're focused on enabling HiFi to become the sequencing standard of care through 5 key initiatives. First, we plan to dramatically improve the economics of HiFi and increase penetration across our key markets through the successful launch of our Spark Next chemistry and multi-use SMRT Cells. Second, we plan to accelerate clinical adoption across rare disease, oncology, and carrier screening, supporting new as well as our existing customers as they ramp up their utilization of HiFi. Third, we plan to continue to enable population-scale sequencing studies. We have hundreds of thousands of samples in various stages of negotiation and approval, and while these studies have long sales cycles, we expect these studies to drive our growth in the longer term.
Christian Henry: Thanks, Jim. 2026 is shaping up to be an exciting year for PacBio. We're focused on enabling HiFi to become the sequencing standard of care through 5 key initiatives. First, we plan to dramatically improve the economics of HiFi and increase penetration across our key markets through the successful launch of our Spark Next chemistry and multi-use SMRT Cells. Second, we plan to accelerate clinical adoption across rare disease, oncology, and carrier screening, supporting new as well as our existing customers as they ramp up their utilization of HiFi. Third, we plan to continue to enable population-scale sequencing studies. We have hundreds of thousands of samples in various stages of negotiation and approval, and while these studies have long sales cycles, we expect these studies to drive our growth in the longer term.
Speaker #2: First, we plan to dramatically improve the economics of Hi-Fi and increase penetration across our key markets through the successful launch of our SparkNext chemistry and multi-use smart cells.
Speaker #2: Second, we plan to accelerate clinical adoption across rare disease, oncology, and carrier screening, supporting new as well as our existing customers as they ramp up their utilization of HiFi.
Speaker #2: Third, we plan to continue to enable studies. We have hundreds of thousands of samples in various stages of negotiation and approval, and while these studies have long sales cycles, we expect these studies to drive our growth in the longer term.
Speaker #2: Fourth, we are enabling the next generation informatics by scaling multi-omic Hi-Fi data and applying AI to unlock unique biological insights. For example, several of our customers have been awarded funding through Google's AI for Science initiative, where researchers are leveraging Hi-Fi data alongside AI to address some of the most complex challenges in biology.
Christian Henry: Fourth, we are enabling the next generation informatics by scaling multi-omic HiFi data and applying AI to unlock unique biological insights. For example, several of our customers have been awarded funding through Google's AI for Science initiative, where researchers are leveraging HiFi data alongside AI to address some of the most complex challenges in biology. We believe the depth, accuracy, and completeness of HiFi data, amplified by AI, positions us to unlock new biological insights. And finally, we continue to drive innovation, which is part of our core mission. We look forward to updating you on our progress across each of these initiatives as we progress through the year. Additionally, we are excited to participate in the upcoming AGBT conference in the coming weeks and hope to connect with many of you there. With that, we will now open it up for questions. Operator?
Christian Henry: Fourth, we are enabling the next generation informatics by scaling multi-omic HiFi data and applying AI to unlock unique biological insights. For example, several of our customers have been awarded funding through Google's AI for Science initiative, where researchers are leveraging HiFi data alongside AI to address some of the most complex challenges in biology. We believe the depth, accuracy, and completeness of HiFi data, amplified by AI, positions us to unlock new biological insights. And finally, we continue to drive innovation, which is part of our core mission. We look forward to updating you on our progress across each of these initiatives as we progress through the year. Additionally, we are excited to participate in the upcoming AGBT conference in the coming weeks and hope to connect with many of you there. With that, we will now open it up for questions. Operator?
Speaker #2: We believe the depth, accuracy, and completeness of HiFi data, amplified by AI, positions us to unlock new biological insights. And finally, we continue to drive innovation, which is part of our core mission.
Speaker #2: We look forward to updating you on our progress across each of these initiatives as we progress through the year. Additionally, we are excited to participate in the upcoming AGBT conference in the coming weeks and hope to connect with many of you there.
Speaker #2: With that, we will now open it up for questions. Operator?
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star than one on your telephone keypad. If your question has been addressed, and you'd like to remove yourself from queue, please press star than two.
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Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If your question has been addressed and you'd like to remove yourself from queue, please press star then two. At this time, we'll pause for just a moment to assemble our roster. Today's first question comes from Tycho Peterson at Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: At this time, we'll pause for just a moment to assemble our roster. And today's first question comes from Tycho Peterson at Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Hey, team. This is Lauren on for Tycho. A few from me. Starting with REVIO pull-through, it was pretty stable year over year. Maybe how should we think about pull-through progression as Spark chemistry lowers per sample cost?
Tycho Peterson: Hey, team. This is Lauren on for Tycho. A few from me, starting with Revio pull-through. It was pretty stable year-over-year. Maybe how should we think about pull-through progression as Spark chemistry lowers per sample costs? Will that lower cost drive higher utilization, or does it risk pulling revenue forward? On consumables, another record quarter for you guys. What gives you confidence that this growth is structurally sustainable versus being driven by a smaller cohort of power users? And then lastly, going forward, how should we think about steady-state mix between Vega and Revio? And what does that imply for average system ASPs? Thanks.
[Analyst] (Jefferies): Hey, team. This is Lauren on for Tycho. A few from me, starting with Revio pull-through. It was pretty stable year-over-year. Maybe how should we think about pull-through progression as Spark chemistry lowers per sample costs? Will that lower cost drive higher utilization, or does it risk pulling revenue forward? On consumables, another record quarter for you guys. What gives you confidence that this growth is structurally sustainable versus being driven by a smaller cohort of power users? And then lastly, going forward, how should we think about steady-state mix between Vega and Revio? And what does that imply for average system ASPs? Thanks.
Speaker #4: Will that lower cost drive higher utilization, or does it risk pulling revenue forward? On consumables, another record quarter for you guys. What gives you confidence that this growth is structurally sustainable versus being driven by a smaller cohort of power users?
Speaker #4: And then lastly, going forward, how should we think about steady-state mix between VEGA and REVIO? And what does that imply for average system ASPs?
Speaker #4: Thanks.
Speaker #2: Wow, Lauren, you gave us a lot to start off with. Thank you for the questions. We'll start with REVIO pull-through. So, pull-through was, you're right, it was pretty stable from year to year, and my expectation is that the opportunity provided with SparkNext will lower the price per sample but is likely to increase utilization on the systems and certainly expand our market share. So when you think about it, what we're trying to accomplish is, through a more attractive price, the ability to win larger-scale studies, which would drive both instrument sales as well as expanded utilization within those fleets of instruments.
Christian Henry: Wow, Lauren, you, you gave us a lot to start off with. Thank you for the questions. We'll start with Revio pull-through. So pull-through was... You're right, it was pretty stable from year to year. And, you know, my expectation is that the opportunity provided with Spark Next will lower the price per sample, but is likely to increase utilization on the systems and certainly expand our market share. And so when you think about it, what we're trying to accomplish is, through a more attractive price, the ability to win larger, larger scaled studies, which would drive both, both instrument sales as well as expanded utilization within those, fleets of instruments, and to drive kind of broader adoption across the entire base. So at the end of the day, the focus is on driving the revenue up,...
Christian Henry: Wow, Lauren, you, you gave us a lot to start off with. Thank you for the questions. We'll start with Revio pull-through. So pull-through was... You're right, it was pretty stable from year to year. And, you know, my expectation is that the opportunity provided with Spark Next will lower the price per sample, but is likely to increase utilization on the systems and certainly expand our market share. And so when you think about it, what we're trying to accomplish is, through a more attractive price, the ability to win larger, larger scaled studies, which would drive both, both instrument sales as well as expanded utilization within those, fleets of instruments, and to drive kind of broader adoption across the entire base. So at the end of the day, the focus is on driving the revenue up,...
Speaker #2: And to drive kind of broader adoption across the entire base. So at the end of the day, the focus is on driving the revenue up, which would effectively have pull-through kind of in a similar range anywhere from $225 to $250 is what we've been to K is what we've been talking about.
Christian Henry: Which would effectively have pull-through kind of in a similar range, you know, anywhere from $225,000 to $250,000 is what we've been talking about. I don't think it'll change that much. You may see some short-term, you know, dislocations, depending on the timing of when samples come in and which customers are adopting. So we'll be watching out for that over the course of the year. But on balance, this is a fundamentally enabling technology that allows us to increase our footprint and drive consumable revenue up at the same time. And of course, expand our gross margin, because this is one of those rare occasions where the product actually is very beneficial to customers, but it's also expanding our gross margin on consumables, so really important.
Christian Henry: Which would effectively have pull-through kind of in a similar range, you know, anywhere from $225,000 to $250,000 is what we've been talking about. I don't think it'll change that much. You may see some short-term, you know, dislocations, depending on the timing of when samples come in and which customers are adopting. So we'll be watching out for that over the course of the year. But on balance, this is a fundamentally enabling technology that allows us to increase our footprint and drive consumable revenue up at the same time. And of course, expand our gross margin, because this is one of those rare occasions where the product actually is very beneficial to customers, but it's also expanding our gross margin on consumables, so really important.
Speaker #2: I don't think it'll change that much. You may see some short-term dislocations depending on the timing of when samples come in and which customers are adopting.
Speaker #2: So we'll be watching out for that over the course of the year. But on balance, this is a fundamentally enabling technology that allows us to increase our footprint and drive consumable revenue up at the same time.
Speaker #2: And of course, expand our gross margin because this is one of those rare occasions where the product actually is very beneficial to customers, but it's also expanding our gross margin on consumables.
Speaker #2: So really important. When you start to think about your second question about kind of structural growth, we certainly see that the market is going to be expanding because of the nature of Hi-Fi first and foremost, and then now we're at a point where we have the economics in place to where we can be highly competitive with short-read technologies.
Christian Henry: When you start to think about your second question about you know kind of structural growth. We you know certainly see that the market is going to be expanding because of the nature of HiFi, first and foremost. And then now we're at a point where we have the economics in place to where we can be highly competitive with short-read technologies, other long-read technologies, and this will enable us to expand both you know the Revio and the Vega and the Vega sales, because we'll be introducing Spark Next to Vega later in the year. We're going to first focus on Revio and then move to Spark Next. And then finally, with respect to the mix, you know, Vega and Revio reach different parts of the market.
Christian Henry: When you start to think about your second question about you know kind of structural growth. We you know certainly see that the market is going to be expanding because of the nature of HiFi, first and foremost. And then now we're at a point where we have the economics in place to where we can be highly competitive with short-read technologies, other long-read technologies, and this will enable us to expand both you know the Revio and the Vega and the Vega sales, because we'll be introducing Spark Next to Vega later in the year. We're going to first focus on Revio and then move to Spark Next. And then finally, with respect to the mix, you know, Vega and Revio reach different parts of the market.
Speaker #2: Other long-read technologies and this will enable us to expand both the REVIO and the VEGA sales because we'll be introducing SparkNext to VEGA later in the year.
Speaker #2: We're going to first focus on REVIO, and then move to SparkNext. And then finally, with respect to the mix, VEGA and REVIO reach different parts of the market.
Speaker #2: So, VEGA is the focus, and the strategy with respect to VEGA is 'land and expand,' so to speak—introducing new customers to HiFi technology.
Christian Henry: So Vega is, you know, the focus, and the strategy with respect to Vega is land and expand, so to speak, introducing new customers to HiFi technology. The application set with Vega is in, you know, microbiology and metagenomics and different short, smaller genomes. And so we're seeing actually really strong traction there, and it's highly competitive against other long-read competitors, and so we're seeing some opportunities with that. And then, of course, Revio is focused on kind of the discovery market as well as kind of our clinical opportunity, particularly with respect to whole genome sequencing and then larger targeted sequencing panels like the PureTarget panel.
Christian Henry: So Vega is, you know, the focus, and the strategy with respect to Vega is land and expand, so to speak, introducing new customers to HiFi technology. The application set with Vega is in, you know, microbiology and metagenomics and different short, smaller genomes. And so we're seeing actually really strong traction there, and it's highly competitive against other long-read competitors, and so we're seeing some opportunities with that. And then, of course, Revio is focused on kind of the discovery market as well as kind of our clinical opportunity, particularly with respect to whole genome sequencing and then larger targeted sequencing panels like the PureTarget panel.
Speaker #2: The application set with VEGA is in microbiology and metagenomics and different short, smaller genomes. And so we're seeing actually really strong traction there, and it's highly competitive against other long-read competitors.
Speaker #2: And so we're seeing some opportunities with that. And then, of course, Revio is focused on kind of the discovery market as well as kind of our clinical opportunity.
Speaker #2: Particularly with respect to whole genome sequencing and then larger targeted sequencing panels like the Pure Target panel. And so I would expect us to continue scaling VEGA and REVIO in 2026, both growing in terms of number of units shipped year over year.
Christian Henry: And so, you know, I would expect us to continue scaling Vega and Revio in 2026, both growing in terms of number of units shipped year-over-year. Both of them moving towards different parts of the market. And then ultimately we'll launch a third system that will be even higher throughput for the highest scale labs. So hopefully I, I captured most of your question there.
Christian Henry: And so, you know, I would expect us to continue scaling Vega and Revio in 2026, both growing in terms of number of units shipped year-over-year. Both of them moving towards different parts of the market. And then ultimately we'll launch a third system that will be even higher throughput for the highest scale labs. So hopefully I, I captured most of your question there.
Speaker #2: Both of them moving towards different parts of the market. And then ultimately, we'll launch a third system that will be even higher throughput for the highest scale labs.
Speaker #2: So hopefully, I captured most of your question there.
Speaker #4: No, that was super great. Thanks.
Tycho Peterson: No, that was super great. Thanks.
[Analyst] (Jefferies): No, that was super great. Thanks.
Speaker #3: Thank you. And our next question comes from Subdu Nambi with Guggenheim. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Subbu Nambi with Guggenheim. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Subbu Nambi with Guggenheim. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. What should we expect OUS to do this year from a clinical growth perspective? And did you see any budget flush, particularly from Yarab in Q2 '25?
Subbu Nambi: Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. What should we expect OUS to do this year from a clinical growth perspective? And did you see any budget flush, particularly from Europe in full Q 25?
Subbu Nambi: Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. What should we expect OUS to do this year from a clinical growth perspective? And did you see any budget flush, particularly from Europe in full Q 25?
Christian Henry: Subbu, can you start with the first part of your question again? It came in a little bit garbled. I kind of got the budget flush part, but not the first part.
Speaker #2: Super, can you start with the first part of your question again? It came in a little bit garbled. I kind of got the budget flush part, but not the first part.
Christian Henry: Subbu, can you start with the first part of your question again? It came in a little bit garbled. I kind of got the budget flush part, but not the first part.
Subbu Nambi: What do you expect, like, outside of the United States to do this year from a clinical growth perspective?
Speaker #5: What do you expect outside of United States to do this year from a clinical growth perspective?
Subbu Nambi: What do you expect, like, outside of the United States to do this year from a clinical growth perspective?
Speaker #2: Okay, so, clinical—start with the easy one. Budget flush—we really didn't see a lot of budget flush at the end of the fourth quarter.
Christian Henry: Okay, so clinical growth and then budget flush. I'll start with the easy one. Budget flush. We really didn't see a lot of budget flush at the end of Q4. I mean, there's always a little bit of opportunistic purchasing. I can think of one order where we were able to capture a large consumable PO from a competitor, actually, and in that process, got a new customer. So that was actually a really exciting win for us. But we didn't see a lot of, you know, actual budget flush. And then with respect to clinical growth, you saw that we had, you know, really strong growth in 2025.
Christian Henry: Okay, so clinical growth and then budget flush. I'll start with the easy one. Budget flush. We really didn't see a lot of budget flush at the end of Q4. I mean, there's always a little bit of opportunistic purchasing. I can think of one order where we were able to capture a large consumable PO from a competitor, actually, and in that process, got a new customer. So that was actually a really exciting win for us. But we didn't see a lot of, you know, actual budget flush. And then with respect to clinical growth, you saw that we had, you know, really strong growth in 2025.
Speaker #2: I mean, there’s always a little bit of opportunistic purchasing. I can think of one order where we were able to capture a large consumable PO from a competitor, actually, and in that process got a new customer.
Speaker #2: So that was actually a really exciting win for us. But we didn't see a lot of actual budget flush. And then with respect to clinical growth, you saw that we had really strong growth in 2025.
Speaker #2: The base was a little bit smaller, so the 55% is exciting. But it's off of a smaller base. So we have to be mindful of that.
Christian Henry: You know, the base was a little bit smaller, so the 55% is exciting, but it's off of a smaller base, so we, you know, we have to be mindful of that. But when we look into twenty, you know, 2026, we see, you know, very strong growth in the clinical side of our business, particularly in rare disease and whole genome sequencing. And largely in EMEA, we've really seen them start to move from kind of the pilot phases to actual production. And you've seen press releases from folks like Radboud, who are expanding, you know, from 5,000 to, you know, tens of thousands of samples. And that's, there's lots of examples of that, where we're seeing that in the market, and I think that will be a driver of clinical growth.
Christian Henry: You know, the base was a little bit smaller, so the 55% is exciting, but it's off of a smaller base, so we, you know, we have to be mindful of that. But when we look into twenty, you know, 2026, we see, you know, very strong growth in the clinical side of our business, particularly in rare disease and whole genome sequencing. And largely in EMEA, we've really seen them start to move from kind of the pilot phases to actual production. And you've seen press releases from folks like Radboud, who are expanding, you know, from 5,000 to, you know, tens of thousands of samples. And that's, there's lots of examples of that, where we're seeing that in the market, and I think that will be a driver of clinical growth.
Speaker #2: But when we look into 2026, we see very strong growth in the clinical side of our business, particularly in rare disease and whole genome sequencing.
Speaker #2: And largely in AMEA, we've really seen them start to move from kind of the pilot phases to actual production. And you've seen press releases from folks like Radboud who are expanding from 5,000 to tens of thousands of samples.
Speaker #2: And that there's lots of examples of that where we're seeing that in the market. And I think that will be a driver of clinical growth.
Speaker #2: Of course, some of that's enabled through the Spark chemistry. So we have to balance out the more favorable pricing with respect to accounts like that, for example.
Christian Henry: Of course, some of that's enabled through the Spark chemistry, so we have to balance out the more favorable pricing with respect to, you know, accounts like that, for example. So it's kind of be a bit of a balancing act there. We're also seeing strength in targeted, our targeted portfolio as the PureTarget platform continues to... and assay continues to gain more traction, and we're seeing some of the higher throughput targeted customers expand their fleet. We saw that in Q4, and I think that will, that will help us scale clinical consumables in 2026.
Christian Henry: Of course, some of that's enabled through the Spark chemistry, so we have to balance out the more favorable pricing with respect to, you know, accounts like that, for example. So it's kind of be a bit of a balancing act there. We're also seeing strength in targeted, our targeted portfolio as the PureTarget platform continues to... and assay continues to gain more traction, and we're seeing some of the higher throughput targeted customers expand their fleet. We saw that in Q4, and I think that will, that will help us scale clinical consumables in 2026.
Speaker #2: So it's kind of a bit of a balancing act there. We're also seeing strength in targeted our targeted portfolio as the Pure Target platform continues to and Assay continues to gain more traction.
Speaker #2: And we're seeing some of the higher-throughput targeted customers expand their fleet. We saw that in the fourth quarter, and I think that will help us scale clinical consumables in 2026.
Speaker #5: Super helpful. And a quick follow-up, not really follow-up, a separate question altogether. When thinking about international expansion for multi-use smart cells, how are you considering rollout in tandem with the US if your aim is to keep elasticity contained this year?
Subbu Nambi: ... Super helpful. And a quick follow-up, not really follow-up, a separate question altogether. When thinking about international expansion for multi-use SMRT Cells, how are you considering rollout in tandem with the US if your aim is to keep elasticity contained this year?
Subbu Nambi: ... Super helpful. And a quick follow-up, not really follow-up, a separate question altogether. When thinking about international expansion for multi-use SMRT Cells, how are you considering rollout in tandem with the US if your aim is to keep elasticity contained this year?
Speaker #2: Yeah, it's a good question, Super. So, we started the beta program just with accounts in the United States, really so that we could keep tabs on the users and understand how their workflow was working and all of that.
Christian Henry: Yeah, it's a good question, Subbu. So we are. You know, we started the beta program just with accounts in the United States, really so that we could keep tabs on the users and understand how their workflow was working and all of that. And now we're very pleased with how it's gone. I mean, we're seeing 25% increase in yield, which is amazing for customers. And then, you know, the workflow, you can see the consistency of yield from run to run, you know, from the first use to the second use. So we're expanding, you know. Excuse me, we're expanding our program and over the next couple of weeks into EMEA and ultimately APAC.
Christian Henry: Yeah, it's a good question, Subbu. So we are. You know, we started the beta program just with accounts in the United States, really so that we could keep tabs on the users and understand how their workflow was working and all of that. And now we're very pleased with how it's gone. I mean, we're seeing 25% increase in yield, which is amazing for customers. And then, you know, the workflow, you can see the consistency of yield from run to run, you know, from the first use to the second use. So we're expanding, you know. Excuse me, we're expanding our program and over the next couple of weeks into EMEA and ultimately APAC.
Speaker #2: And now we're very pleased with how it's gone. I mean, we're seeing 25% increase in yield, which is amazing for customers. And then the workflow you can see the consistency of yield from run to run from the first use to the second use.
Speaker #2: So we're expanding—excuse me—we're expanding our program over the next couple of weeks into AMEA and ultimately APAC. And then, over the course of the year, we will just continue to roll out the product as customers have the samples that are ready to go.
Christian Henry: And then over the course of the year, we will just continue to roll out the product as customers have the samples that are ready to go. So we wanna try to monitor and meter out this rollout so that we can get as many samples onto the systems as possible at the favorable pricing, so that we can see continued consumable growth. And so we're gonna be in kind of this beta early access program until the spring, late spring, early summer, and then ultimately it'll be rolled out to everyone. So we have a good plan.
Christian Henry: And then over the course of the year, we will just continue to roll out the product as customers have the samples that are ready to go. So we wanna try to monitor and meter out this rollout so that we can get as many samples onto the systems as possible at the favorable pricing, so that we can see continued consumable growth. And so we're gonna be in kind of this beta early access program until the spring, late spring, early summer, and then ultimately it'll be rolled out to everyone. So we have a good plan.
Speaker #2: So, we want to try to monitor and meter out this rollout so that we can get as many samples onto the systems as possible at the favorable pricing, so that we can see continued consumable growth.
Speaker #2: And so we're going to be in kind of this beta early access program until the spring—late spring, early summer. And then, ultimately, it'll be rolled out to everyone.
Speaker #2: So, we have a good plan. The innovation is working really well, and we're going to start heading into the second phase of beta and scale-up phase over the rest of the first quarter and into the second quarter.
Christian Henry: The innovation is working really well, and it's – you know, we're gonna start heading into the second phase of beta and scale-up phase, over the rest of Q1 and into Q2.
Christian Henry: The innovation is working really well, and it's – you know, we're gonna start heading into the second phase of beta and scale-up phase, over the rest of Q1 and into Q2.
Speaker #3: Thank you. And, ladies and gentlemen, we ask that you do please limit yourself to one question. Our next question today comes from Doug Shanko at Wolfe Research.
Operator: Thank you. And, ladies and gentlemen, we ask that you do, please, limit yourselves to one question. And our next question today comes from Doug Shenkel at Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. And, ladies and gentlemen, we ask that you do, please, limit yourselves to one question. And our next question today comes from Doug Shenkel at Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Please go ahead.
Doug Schenkel: Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. So, you are continuing to successfully reduce OpEx spending. Where's the biggest opportunity to do that this year without hindering the pace of recovery? And just one follow-up, and I'll, I'll get back in the queue. I think in your prepared remarks, you called out, I think you said industrial weakness. If so, is, is that new? And, and I guess to the point, if, if so, what is it? Is that ag or synbio, both, something else? Could you, could you just tell us what's going on there? Thank you.
Speaker #6: Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. So, you are continuing to successfully reduce OPEX spending. Where's the biggest opportunity to do that this year, without hindering the pace of recovery?
Doug Schenkel: Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. So, you are continuing to successfully reduce OpEx spending. Where's the biggest opportunity to do that this year without hindering the pace of recovery? And just one follow-up, and I'll, I'll get back in the queue. I think in your prepared remarks, you called out, I think you said industrial weakness. If so, is, is that new? And, and I guess to the point, if, if so, what is it? Is that ag or synbio, both, something else? Could you, could you just tell us what's going on there? Thank you.
Speaker #6: And just one follow-up, and I'll get back in the queue. I think in your prepared remarks, you called out I think you said industrial weakness.
Speaker #6: If so, is that new in, I guess, to the point? If so, what is it? Is that ag or synbio? Both? Something else? Could you just tell us what's going on there?
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Hey, Doug. So just to clarify, I don't think we called out any specific industrial weakness per se. What we're trying to say is that that part of the business hasn't it consistent with the academic world hasn't been very strong.
Christian Henry: Yeah. Hey, Doug. So just to clarify, I don't think we called out any specific industrial weakness per se. What we're trying to say is that that part of the business, you know, hasn't... It's consistent with the academic world, hasn't been very strong, and so... And what that really is, is kind of the agricultural business. And so is that what you were referring to in your-
Christian Henry: Yeah. Hey, Doug. So just to clarify, I don't think we called out any specific industrial weakness per se. What we're trying to say is that that part of the business, you know, hasn't... It's consistent with the academic world, hasn't been very strong, and so... And what that really is, is kind of the agricultural business. And so is that what you were referring to in your-
Speaker #2: And what that really is, is kind of the agricultural business. And so is that what you were referring to in your question?
Doug Schenkel: Yeah.
Doug Schenkel: Yeah.
Christian Henry: in your question?
Christian Henry: in your question?
Speaker #6: Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. All right. Sorry about that, Kirsten. Thank you for clarifying.
Doug Schenkel: Yeah, that-
Doug Schenkel: Yeah, that-
Christian Henry: Okay.
Christian Henry: Okay.
Doug Schenkel: That makes a lot of sense. All right. Sorry about that, Christian.
Doug Schenkel: That makes a lot of sense. All right. Sorry about that, Christian.
Christian Henry: Yeah.
Christian Henry: Yeah.
Doug Schenkel: Thank you for clarifying.
Doug Schenkel: Thank you for clarifying.
Speaker #2: Yeah. No, it's fine. No, I just wanted to make sure I got the question right. And then with respect to OPEX, we've worked pretty hard to take a lot of cost out of the business.
Christian Henry: No, it's fine. No, I just wanted to make sure I got the question right. And then, you know, with respect to OpEx, we've worked pretty hard to take a lot of cost out of the business, and I think in 2026, that'll continue. First, we'll get the full year benefit of the reductions in force that we saw in 2025, and so we'll. You know, that will naturally give us a bit of a tailwind to start the year off. But the next places to focus are, you know, we're gonna be focusing on managing G&A expense, managing, you know, R&D, staying focused in R&D. So we have a few very critical programs going on, and we're gonna make sure that they're very well-funded, and we have all the people we need to be successful.
Christian Henry: No, it's fine. No, I just wanted to make sure I got the question right. And then, you know, with respect to OpEx, we've worked pretty hard to take a lot of cost out of the business, and I think in 2026, that'll continue. First, we'll get the full year benefit of the reductions in force that we saw in 2025, and so we'll. You know, that will naturally give us a bit of a tailwind to start the year off. But the next places to focus are, you know, we're gonna be focusing on managing G&A expense, managing, you know, R&D, staying focused in R&D. So we have a few very critical programs going on, and we're gonna make sure that they're very well-funded, and we have all the people we need to be successful.
Speaker #2: And I think in 2026, that'll continue. First, we'll get the full-year benefit of the reductions in force that we saw in 2025. And so that will naturally give us a bit of a tailwind to start the year off.
Speaker #2: But the next place is to focus our we're going to be focusing on managing GNA expense, managing R&D, staying focused in R&D. So we have a few very critical programs going on.
Speaker #2: And we're going to make sure that they're very well funded, and we have all the people we need to be successful. But we're going to be very thoughtful and mindful about adding new priorities to the equation.
Christian Henry: But we're gonna be very thoughtful and mindful about, you know, adding new priorities to the equation, and that will help us save money because we'll be able to save on kind of non-headcount related spend and things like that. Of course, the counterbalance is we're in the meat of developing the next generation platforms, and that comes with a lot of expense. So it's you know, costs for prototypes and alphas and betas, things like that, which we'll see some of that this year. So we'll be focused on overcoming that. And then finally, you know, a dollar is a dollar, so we're really focused also on the gross margin line and reducing production costs.
Christian Henry: But we're gonna be very thoughtful and mindful about, you know, adding new priorities to the equation, and that will help us save money because we'll be able to save on kind of non-headcount related spend and things like that. Of course, the counterbalance is we're in the meat of developing the next generation platforms, and that comes with a lot of expense. So it's you know, costs for prototypes and alphas and betas, things like that, which we'll see some of that this year. So we'll be focused on overcoming that. And then finally, you know, a dollar is a dollar, so we're really focused also on the gross margin line and reducing production costs.
Speaker #2: And that will help us—that will help us save money, because we'll be able to save on kind of non-headcount-related spend and things like that.
Speaker #2: Of course, the counterbalance is we're in the we are in the we are in the meat of developing the next generation platforms. And that comes with a lot of expense.
Speaker #2: So it's cost per prototypes and alphas and betas. Things like that, which we'll see some of that this year. So we'll be focused on overcoming that.
Speaker #2: And then finally, a dollar's a dollar. So we're really focused also on the gross margin line and reducing production costs. And so we're insourcing more, which allows us to leverage our overhead more effectively and therefore reduce costs overall, which will help expand our gross margin.
Christian Henry: And so we're insourcing more, which allows us to leverage our overhead more effectively and therefore reduce costs overall, which will help expand our gross margin. So it's really a concerted effort across the organization. And you know, I also think there's some opportunity in our marketing organization to be mindful about investing in the right events, to make sure that we have the presence we need, but also make sure we get ROI on the events. We will be expanding the sales organization a little bit this year, because I do think that there's opportunity for us. And so that gives you a bit of a kind of a broad tour of operating expenses.
Christian Henry: And so we're insourcing more, which allows us to leverage our overhead more effectively and therefore reduce costs overall, which will help expand our gross margin. So it's really a concerted effort across the organization. And you know, I also think there's some opportunity in our marketing organization to be mindful about investing in the right events, to make sure that we have the presence we need, but also make sure we get ROI on the events. We will be expanding the sales organization a little bit this year, because I do think that there's opportunity for us. And so that gives you a bit of a kind of a broad tour of operating expenses.
Speaker #2: So it's really a concerted effort across the organization. And I also think there's some opportunity in our marketing organization to be mindful about investing in the right events to make sure that we have the presence we need, but also make sure we get ROI on the events.
Speaker #2: We will be expanding the commercial sales organization a little bit this year, because I do think that there's opportunity for us. And so that gives you a bit of a broad tour of operating expenses.
Speaker #2: We also have some ongoing litigation that we'll be spending on this year that will be incremental to last year. And this is from litigation that's been going on since 2019.
Christian Henry: We also have some ongoing litigation that will, you know, that we'll be spending on this year, that will be incremental to last year. And this is from litigation that's been going on since 2019, so it's, you know, long, long before I even got to the company. But, that gives you a sense of expenses. I do think we're gonna be able to do better than we did, in 2025. And the focus is, of course, you know, getting to, getting to breakeven.
Christian Henry: We also have some ongoing litigation that will, you know, that we'll be spending on this year, that will be incremental to last year. And this is from litigation that's been going on since 2019, so it's, you know, long, long before I even got to the company. But, that gives you a sense of expenses. I do think we're gonna be able to do better than we did, in 2025. And the focus is, of course, you know, getting to, getting to breakeven.
Speaker #2: So, it's long before I even got to the company. But that gives you a sense of expenses. I do think we're going to be able to do better than we did in 2025.
Speaker #2: And the focus is, of course, getting to break-even.
Speaker #3: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Kyle Mixon at Cantor. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Kyle Mixon at Cantor. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Kyle Mixon at Cantor. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hey, Kyle from Cantor. Thanks, guys, for the questions. I want to follow Doug's train of thought with the cost. So on first on the short read divestment last week.
Kyle Mikson: Hey, Kyle from Cantor. Thanks, guys, for the questions. I want to follow Doug's train of thought with the cost. So on, first on, on the short read divestment last week, so was there any cost taken out, of, of the, of the P&L from that move? I think, like, based on the 8-K with the pro forma results, seems like there's a, a tailwind to gross margin, for example. So if you could just dive into that, it'd be helpful. And then secondly, you know, there was a slide in the earnings deck, I think it's slide 9, comparing long read to the standard of care at a beta site, a clinical customer. You got, you know, performance better with respect to diagnostic yield, turnaround time. I'm just curious if cost improves when you go to long read from standard of care. Thanks.
Kyle Mikson: Hey, Kyle from Cantor. Thanks, guys, for the questions. I want to follow Doug's train of thought with the cost. So on, first on, on the short read divestment last week, so was there any cost taken out, of, of the, of the P&L from that move? I think, like, based on the 8-K with the pro forma results, seems like there's a, a tailwind to gross margin, for example. So if you could just dive into that, it'd be helpful. And then secondly, you know, there was a slide in the earnings deck, I think it's slide 9, comparing long read to the standard of care at a beta site, a clinical customer. You got, you know, performance better with respect to diagnostic yield, turnaround time. I'm just curious if cost improves when you go to long read from standard of care. Thanks.
Speaker #7: So was there any cost taken out of the P&L from that move? I think based on the 8K with the pro forma results, it seems like there's a tailwind to gross margin, for example.
Speaker #7: So if you could just dive into that, it'd be helpful. And then secondly, there was a slide in the earnings deck. I think it's slide 9, comparing long read to the standard of care at a beta site, a clinical customer.
Speaker #7: You got performance better with respect to diagnostic yield, turnaround time. I'm just curious if cost improves when you go to long-read from standard of care.
Speaker #7: Thanks.
Speaker #2: Yeah, Kyle, great questions. It's great to catch up here. So I'll start with the short read business. There won't be substantially more cost taken out.
Christian Henry: Yeah, Kyle, great questions. It's great to catch up here. So, I'll start with the short read business. There won't be substantially more costs taken out. We, you know, we covered... In our reduction in force last year, we eliminated a lot of those costs. We are still supporting the Onso system through the year, and so we will, you know, have costs associated with that as we support that. And then as that hits end of life, you know, we'll have savings there, but that'll likely be more in 2027.
Christian Henry: Yeah, Kyle, great questions. It's great to catch up here. So, I'll start with the short read business. There won't be substantially more costs taken out. We, you know, we covered... In our reduction in force last year, we eliminated a lot of those costs. We are still supporting the Onso system through the year, and so we will, you know, have costs associated with that as we support that. And then as that hits end of life, you know, we'll have savings there, but that'll likely be more in 2027.
Speaker #2: We covered in our reduction in force last year, we eliminated a lot of those costs. We are still supporting the onso system through the year.
Speaker #2: And so we will have costs associated with that as we support that. And then as that hits end of life, we'll have savings there.
Speaker #2: But that'll likely be more in 2027. You are right that there's a tailwind to gross margin, in the sense that the Onso platform was not a very high gross margin instrument relative to the rest of our portfolio.
Christian Henry: You are right that there's a tailwind to gross margin in the sense that, you know, the Onso platform was not a very high gross margin instrument relative to the rest of our portfolio, and so, but we didn't, you know, we didn't really sell many, if any, Onsos in 2025. So, you know, on a year-over-year basis that you're not gonna see any incremental tailwind from that.
Christian Henry: You are right that there's a tailwind to gross margin in the sense that, you know, the Onso platform was not a very high gross margin instrument relative to the rest of our portfolio, and so, but we didn't, you know, we didn't really sell many, if any, Onsos in 2025. So, you know, on a year-over-year basis that you're not gonna see any incremental tailwind from that.
Speaker #2: And so, but we didn't—we didn't really sell many, if any, Onso’s in 2025. So, on a year-over-year basis, you're not going to see any incremental tailwind from that.
Speaker #2: And then the long read the long read business with respect to diagnostic yield, that slide is really meant to show how not only is diagnostic yield improving with long read sequencing and that's what we've been all of us have been working on for the last several years is to show the power of Hi-Fi because it's so because it's such a unique data type and you get so much information.
Christian Henry: Then the long-read business with respect to diagnostic yield, that slide is really meant to show how not only is diagnostic yield improving with long-read sequencing, and that's what all of us have been working on for the last several years, to show the power of HiFi because it's such a unique data type, and you get so much information. But on top of that, customers like the Radboud now are taking six other tests, six, seven other tests, and combining them into one genome, and that, you know, using one HiFi genome to answer all those questions. And so, as a result, you're seeing faster turnaround time, better diagnostic yield, and lower cost.
Christian Henry: Then the long-read business with respect to diagnostic yield, that slide is really meant to show how not only is diagnostic yield improving with long-read sequencing, and that's what all of us have been working on for the last several years, to show the power of HiFi because it's such a unique data type, and you get so much information. But on top of that, customers like the Radboud now are taking six other tests, six, seven other tests, and combining them into one genome, and that, you know, using one HiFi genome to answer all those questions. And so, as a result, you're seeing faster turnaround time, better diagnostic yield, and lower cost.
Speaker #2: But on top of that, customers like Radboud now are taking six or seven other tests and combining them into one genome.
Speaker #2: And that's using one HiFi genome to answer all those questions. As a result, you're seeing faster turnaround times, better diagnostic yield, and lower cost.
Speaker #2: And this is going to become a much broader message that you're going to hear a lot this year, especially as we launch SparkNext. Not only are you getting better answers, you're actually getting better answers faster and cheaper.
Christian Henry: This is gonna become a much broader message that you're gonna hear a lot this year as we especially as we launch Spark Next. Not only are you getting better answers, you're actually getting better answers faster and cheaper. It's a real opportunity for us to go to these hospitals, clinics, labs, and demonstrate that not only is it the direct comparison of short-read versus long-read sequencing or other long-read sequencing players, but it's really the holistic approach to how much does it cost to get an answer and how much we can benefit. And so that's really exciting and, you know, we're in the early days of demonstrating that, but now we have examples of customers that are doing that, and so we're gonna amplify that and help other customers kind of achieve the same result.
Christian Henry: This is gonna become a much broader message that you're gonna hear a lot this year as we especially as we launch Spark Next. Not only are you getting better answers, you're actually getting better answers faster and cheaper. It's a real opportunity for us to go to these hospitals, clinics, labs, and demonstrate that not only is it the direct comparison of short-read versus long-read sequencing or other long-read sequencing players, but it's really the holistic approach to how much does it cost to get an answer and how much we can benefit. And so that's really exciting and, you know, we're in the early days of demonstrating that, but now we have examples of customers that are doing that, and so we're gonna amplify that and help other customers kind of achieve the same result.
Speaker #2: And it's a real opportunity for us to go to these hospitals, clinics, labs, and demonstrate that not only is it the direct comparison of short read versus long read sequencing, or other long read sequencing players, but it's really the holistic approach to how much does it cost to get an answer and how much we can benefit?
Speaker #2: And so that's really exciting, and we're in the early days of demonstrating that. But now we have examples of customers that are doing that.
Speaker #2: And so, we're going to amplify that and help other customers kind of achieve the same result. Very exciting for us.
Christian Henry: Very exciting for us.
Christian Henry: Very exciting for us.
Speaker #3: Thank you. And our next question today comes from David Westenberg at Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question today comes from David Westenberg at Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question today comes from David Westenberg at Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Speaker #8: Hi, thank you for taking the question. So, I just—it's a kind of recurring theme about the elasticity of demand. But you started cumulative customer gigabases growing at 60% year over year.
David Westenberg: Hi, thank you for taking the question. So, you know, I just-- it's a kind of a recurring theme about the elasticity of demand, but the key is, you know, cumulative customer gigabases growing at 60% year-over-year. It's a great number. With the promise of a sub-$300 genome with Spark Next, you know, I wanna look at the changes in dynamics. I am one of the people that does believe in elasticity of demand. It always has been in the past, but that's always-- not always linear. So how should we think about Spark Next, balancing the elasticity of demand with the price headwind over the cadence of kind of the next few years? Thank you very much.
David Westenberg: Hi, thank you for taking the question. So, you know, I just-- it's a kind of a recurring theme about the elasticity of demand, but the key is, you know, cumulative customer gigabases growing at 60% year-over-year. It's a great number. With the promise of a sub-$300 genome with Spark Next, you know, I wanna look at the changes in dynamics. I am one of the people that does believe in elasticity of demand. It always has been in the past, but that's always-- not always linear. So how should we think about Spark Next, balancing the elasticity of demand with the price headwind over the cadence of kind of the next few years? Thank you very much.
Speaker #8: It's a great number. With the promise of a sub-$300 genome with SmartNext, I want to look at the changes in dynamics. I am one of the people that does believe in elasticity of demand.
Speaker #8: It always has been in the past. But that's all not always linear. So, how should we think about SparkNext balancing the elasticity of demand with the price headwind over the cadence of kind of the next few years?
Speaker #8: Thank you very much.
Speaker #2: Yeah, that's an excellent question, and it is something that we're very focused on. The first thing I'll say before we get into kind of some of the nuance is that the reality is that the samples exist already in the market.
Christian Henry: Yeah, that's excellent question, and it is something that we're very focused on. You know, first thing I'll say before we get into kind of some of the nuance is that the reality is that the samples exist already in the market. So when you think about elasticity of demand, what you're really thinking about is substitution of HiFi in place of other technologies that are already existing. And that really is that that is a bit different because the samples are generally available on day one. Now, each customer will have a ramp phase and a conversion time horizon, so there will be some variability, but it is different in the context of other elasticity curves that we've all seen in this space for a very long time.
Christian Henry: Yeah, that's excellent question, and it is something that we're very focused on. You know, first thing I'll say before we get into kind of some of the nuance is that the reality is that the samples exist already in the market. So when you think about elasticity of demand, what you're really thinking about is substitution of HiFi in place of other technologies that are already existing. And that really is that that is a bit different because the samples are generally available on day one. Now, each customer will have a ramp phase and a conversion time horizon, so there will be some variability, but it is different in the context of other elasticity curves that we've all seen in this space for a very long time.
Speaker #2: So when you think about elasticity of demand, what you're really thinking about is substitution of Hi-Fi in place of other technologies that are already existing.
Speaker #2: And that really is a bit different because the samples are generally available on day one. Now, each customer will have a ramp phase and a conversion time horizon.
Speaker #2: So there will be some variability, but it is different in the context of other elasticity curves that we've all seen in this space for a very long time.
Speaker #2: That said, I think you phrased it exactly right. It's not always going to be linear. And in the short term, you may have periods where the samples aren't available yet at scale relative to the price.
Christian Henry: That said, I think you phrased it exactly right. It's not always gonna be linear, and in the short term, you may have periods where the samples aren't available yet at scale relative to the price, but over the course of, you know, a year, two years, like you, you've kind of mentioned, you, you certainly will see substantial elasticity of demand, and you'll see not only more gigabases being generated, but this will help drive more instrumentation sales. And as we get to higher throughput instrumentation, very much higher levels of consumable pull-through, which will be at much, substantially higher gross margin.
Christian Henry: That said, I think you phrased it exactly right. It's not always gonna be linear, and in the short term, you may have periods where the samples aren't available yet at scale relative to the price, but over the course of, you know, a year, two years, like you, you've kind of mentioned, you, you certainly will see substantial elasticity of demand, and you'll see not only more gigabases being generated, but this will help drive more instrumentation sales. And as we get to higher throughput instrumentation, very much higher levels of consumable pull-through, which will be at much, substantially higher gross margin.
Speaker #2: And, but over the course of a year, two years, like you've kind of mentioned, you certainly will see substantial elasticity of demand. And you'll see not only more gigabases being generated, but this will help drive more instrumentation sales.
Speaker #2: And as we get to higher throughput instrumentation, much higher levels of consumable pull-through, which will be at much substantially higher gross margin. And so on balance, it really adds to the whole portfolio of what PacBio can deliver starting with a better genome and enabling the customers to scale up both in discovery mode and in clinical mode with the whole genome, as I talked about in the last question.
Christian Henry: So on balance, it really adds to the whole portfolio of what PacBio can deliver, starting with a better genome and enabling the customers to scale up, both in discovery mode and in clinical mode, with the whole genome, as I talked about in the last question. And you see all of that coming together with the ability to substitute long-read sequencing in a whole genome context for the exome, for other short-read approaches. And all of that on balance gives us an opportunity to really generate, you know, dramatically more demand. But it will be lumpy over the course of the first part of the launch of SparkNext.
Christian Henry: So on balance, it really adds to the whole portfolio of what PacBio can deliver, starting with a better genome and enabling the customers to scale up, both in discovery mode and in clinical mode, with the whole genome, as I talked about in the last question. And you see all of that coming together with the ability to substitute long-read sequencing in a whole genome context for the exome, for other short-read approaches. And all of that on balance gives us an opportunity to really generate, you know, dramatically more demand. But it will be lumpy over the course of the first part of the launch of SparkNext.
Speaker #2: And you see all of that coming together with the ability to substitute long-read sequencing in a whole genome context for the exome, for other short-read approaches.
Speaker #2: And all of that, on balance, gives us an opportunity to really generate dramatically more demand. But it will be lumpy over the course of the first part of the launch of SparkNext, and one of the ways we're trying to manage that is by having a very controlled early access phase to make sure customers have the samples ready to go, so that they can better utilize their systems and then help us drive our consumable revenue in the right direction.
Christian Henry: One of the ways we're trying to manage that is by having a very controlled early access phase to make sure customers have the samples ready to go so that they can, you know, better utilize their systems and then, you know, help us drive our consumable revenue in the right direction. It's tricky, but it is a very exciting time for us because since we announced SparkNext at ASHG, the nature of the conversations has just fundamentally changed. Part of the reason why we had such a nice Q4, and I think the year 2026, is set up to have a strong result.
Christian Henry: One of the ways we're trying to manage that is by having a very controlled early access phase to make sure customers have the samples ready to go so that they can, you know, better utilize their systems and then, you know, help us drive our consumable revenue in the right direction. It's tricky, but it is a very exciting time for us because since we announced SparkNext at ASHG, the nature of the conversations has just fundamentally changed. Part of the reason why we had such a nice Q4, and I think the year 2026, is set up to have a strong result.
Speaker #2: It's tricky, but it is a very exciting time for us because since we announced SparkNext at ASHG, the nature of the conversations has just fundamentally changed.
Speaker #2: Part of the reason why we had such a nice fourth quarter, and I think the year 2026 is set up to have a strong result.
Speaker #3: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Jack Meehan and Nephron Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Jack Meehan at Nephron Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Jack Meehan at Nephron Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. I had two modeling questions for you. The first is, is there any color you can share on the first quarter—just expectations for pacing in the year?
Jack Meehan: Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. I had two modeling questions for you. The first is, is there any color you can share on Q1, just, you know, expectations for pacing in the year? And then, Jim, on gross margins, it's good to see the traction. Wanted to see if you could give a little bit more color on the component volatility flag, just what's driving that and what's reflected in the guide. Thank you.
Jack Meehan: Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. I had two modeling questions for you. The first is, is there any color you can share on Q1, just, you know, expectations for pacing in the year? And then, Jim, on gross margins, it's good to see the traction. Wanted to see if you could give a little bit more color on the component volatility flag, just what's driving that and what's reflected in the guide. Thank you.
Speaker #9: And then, Jim, on gross margins—it's good to see the traction. I wanted to see if you could give a little bit more color on the component volatility you flagged, just what's driving that and what's reflected in the guide.
Speaker #9: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah. So maybe, Jack, good to hear from you. I'll start with the Q1, and then Jim, why don't you take the gross margin part of the response?
Christian Henry: Yeah. So maybe, Jack, good to hear from you. I'll start with the Q1, and then, Jim, why don't you take the gross margin part of the response? You know, with respect to Q1, we do think Q1, consistent with seasonal patterns, will likely be a little bit lower than Q4, but certainly above Q1 of 2025. And so we expect to be growing, and we expect to be expanding. We think that our expectation is that we'll have continued strength in Revio and Vega should get off to a good start. And I do think, you know, we are being cautious about how we're thinking about the academic and government spending.
Christian Henry: Yeah. So maybe, Jack, good to hear from you. I'll start with the Q1, and then, Jim, why don't you take the gross margin part of the response? You know, with respect to Q1, we do think Q1, consistent with seasonal patterns, will likely be a little bit lower than Q4, but certainly above Q1 of 2025. And so we expect to be growing, and we expect to be expanding. We think that our expectation is that we'll have continued strength in Revio and Vega should get off to a good start. And I do think, you know, we are being cautious about how we're thinking about the academic and government spending.
Speaker #2: With respect to Q1, we do think Q1, consistent with seasonal patterns, will likely be a little bit lower than Q4, but certainly above Q1 of 2025.
Speaker #2: And so we expect to be growing, and we expect to be expanding. We think that—we think we'll have—our expectation is that we'll have continued strength in Revio, and Vegas should get off to a good start.
Speaker #2: And I do think we are being cautious about how we're thinking about the academic and government spending. And I think, although the budget has kind of improved the outlook a little bit, perhaps, it's a long way from the budget to the actual dollars getting spent, especially with respect to acquiring new capital equipment.
Christian Henry: I think, you know, although the budget has, you know, kind of improved the outlook a little bit, perhaps, it's a long way from the budget to the actual dollars getting spent in, in, you know, especially with respect to acquiring new capital equipment. And so we're going to be pretty cautious in that. We do think that Europe is going to continue to be strong. I think on this call a year ago, I said Europe was going to be our strongest region, and quite frankly, they exceeded my expectations. I would not be surprised to see Europe continue to be strong in 2026 and perhaps our strongest region again. We'll see.
Christian Henry: I think, you know, although the budget has, you know, kind of improved the outlook a little bit, perhaps, it's a long way from the budget to the actual dollars getting spent in, in, you know, especially with respect to acquiring new capital equipment. And so we're going to be pretty cautious in that. We do think that Europe is going to continue to be strong. I think on this call a year ago, I said Europe was going to be our strongest region, and quite frankly, they exceeded my expectations. I would not be surprised to see Europe continue to be strong in 2026 and perhaps our strongest region again. We'll see.
Speaker #2: And so we're going to be pretty cautious in that. We do think that Europe is going to continue to be strong. I think on this call a year ago, I said Europe was going to be our strongest region.
Speaker #2: And quite frankly, they exceeded my expectations. I would not be surprised to see Europe continue to be strong in 2026, and perhaps our strongest region again.
Speaker #2: We'll see. I was just at the Europe and APAC sales meeting, so there's a little bit of competition, which is really good to see as a CEO there.
Christian Henry: There's-- I was just at the Europe and APAC sales meeting, so there's a little bit of competition, which is really good to see as a CEO there. But I do think, you know, you'll see Q1 probably be a little bit lighter than Q4. It really does to seasonality, and then we'll grow from there. You know, we set guidance in place, assuming that the academic and government funding does not come back in any meaningful way. We figure that's the best place to start. We do think our growth will be driven by the expansion of the existing clinical accounts that we've won over the course of 2024 and 2025, and new accounts coming into the fold.
Christian Henry: There's-- I was just at the Europe and APAC sales meeting, so there's a little bit of competition, which is really good to see as a CEO there. But I do think, you know, you'll see Q1 probably be a little bit lighter than Q4. It really does to seasonality, and then we'll grow from there. You know, we set guidance in place, assuming that the academic and government funding does not come back in any meaningful way. We figure that's the best place to start. We do think our growth will be driven by the expansion of the existing clinical accounts that we've won over the course of 2024 and 2025, and new accounts coming into the fold.
Speaker #2: But I do think you'll see Q1 probably be a little bit lighter than Q4. It really is just seasonality, and then we'll grow from there.
Speaker #2: And we set guidance in place assuming that the academic and government funding does not come back in any meaningful way. We've figured that's the best place to start.
Speaker #2: We do think our growth will be driven by the expansion of the existing clinical accounts that we've won over the course of '24 and '25, and new accounts coming into the fold.
Speaker #2: So that'll be opportunities for more Revio placements and certainly some Vega placements. We do think we're going to have a strong year with respect to Revio.
Christian Henry: So that'll be opportunities for, you know, more Revio placements and certainly some Vega placements. We do, we do think we're going to have, you know, a strong year with respect to Revio. We're seeing, we're seeing a lot of interest in the funnel growing, because, quite frankly, SparkNext is enabling a new level of scale that I think Revio will fit really well. So hopefully, that gives you a little bit of color on the outlook and, you know, pretty excited to get going here. I think we're, you know, I think the quarter's off to a reasonable start. And, you know, Jim, you want to talk about gross margin?
Christian Henry: So that'll be opportunities for, you know, more Revio placements and certainly some Vega placements. We do, we do think we're going to have, you know, a strong year with respect to Revio. We're seeing, we're seeing a lot of interest in the funnel growing, because, quite frankly, SparkNext is enabling a new level of scale that I think Revio will fit really well. So hopefully, that gives you a little bit of color on the outlook and, you know, pretty excited to get going here. I think we're, you know, I think the quarter's off to a reasonable start. And, you know, Jim, you want to talk about gross margin?
Speaker #2: We're seeing a lot of interest in the funnel growing because, quite frankly, SparkNext is enabling a new— that price point is enabling a new level of scale that I think Revio will fit really well.
Speaker #2: So, hopefully that gives you a little bit of color on the outlook, and I'm pretty excited to get going here. I think the quarter's off to a reasonable start.
Speaker #2: And Jim, you want to talk about gross margin?
Speaker #9: Sure. So Jack, as you pointed out, one of the things that we—when we gave our guide of 100 to 400 basis points for '26—one of the things we highlighted is the impact of some of the memory shortages that we and a number of companies are seeing right now as we look to lock in agreements with our suppliers.
Jim Gibson: Sure. So, Jack, as you, as you pointed out, one of the things that we—when we gave our guide of 100 to 400 basis points for 2026, one of the things we highlighted is the impact of some of the memory shortages that we and a number of companies are seeing right now as we look to lock in agreements with our suppliers. As you probably know, since we provide such robust data, we do have compute as a significant component of our cost, of our Revios, and to a lesser extent, in our Vegas. So as you think about our guide, we did bake that impact into our guide. I think as we think about the lower end of the guide, that would be a consistent and continuous impact on compute. We're hoping that's not the case.
Jim Gibson: Sure. So, Jack, as you, as you pointed out, one of the things that we—when we gave our guide of 100 to 400 basis points for 2026, one of the things we highlighted is the impact of some of the memory shortages that we and a number of companies are seeing right now as we look to lock in agreements with our suppliers. As you probably know, since we provide such robust data, we do have compute as a significant component of our cost, of our Revios, and to a lesser extent, in our Vegas. So as you think about our guide, we did bake that impact into our guide. I think as we think about the lower end of the guide, that would be a consistent and continuous impact on compute. We're hoping that's not the case.
Speaker #9: As you probably know, since we provide such robust data, we do have compute as a significant component of our cost of our Revios, and to a lesser extent in our Vegas.
Speaker #9: So, as you think about our guide, we did bake that impact into our guide. I think, as we think about the lower end of the guide, that would be a consistent and continuous impact on compute.
Speaker #9: We're hoping that's not the case. We're hoping that with a lot of things, it'll stabilize as we get into the middle of the year, and that is baked into the 100 to 400 basis point increase.
Jim Gibson: We're hoping that with a lot of things, it'll stabilize as we get into the middle of the year, and that is baked into the 100 to 400 basis point increase.
Jim Gibson: We're hoping that with a lot of things, it'll stabilize as we get into the middle of the year, and that is baked into the 100 to 400 basis point increase.
Speaker #9: Okay. Awesome, guys. Thank you.
Dan Brennan: Okay. Awesome, guys. Thank you.
Jack Meehan: Okay. Awesome, guys. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah.
Jim Gibson: Yeah.
Jim Gibson: Yeah.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Brennan at TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Thanks. Thank you. And our next question comes from Dan Brennan at TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Brennan at TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Speaker #10: Great, thank you. Thanks for the questions. Maybe just a couple. On placements in Fullther, did you guys give color on how to think about that?
Dan Brennan: Great. Thank you. Thanks for the questions. Maybe just a couple. On placements and pull-through, did you guys give color on how to think about that? That would be helpful. I know you talked about Revio pull-through being consistent, but just wondering if there's any more color across Vega and Revio. The burn, like, I know we could probably back into the burn ourselves, but is there a burn that you guys are targeting in 2026? And then the final one would just be, you know, with EMEA clinical surging, and Christian, you sound like it's going to continue to be strong, what will it take to see US clinical growth really accelerate? Thank you.
Dan Brennan: Great. Thank you. Thanks for the questions. Maybe just a couple. On placements and pull-through, did you guys give color on how to think about that? That would be helpful. I know you talked about Revio pull-through being consistent, but just wondering if there's any more color across Vega and Revio. The burn, like, I know we could probably back into the burn ourselves, but is there a burn that you guys are targeting in 2026? And then the final one would just be, you know, with EMEA clinical surging, and Christian, you sound like it's going to continue to be strong, what will it take to see US clinical growth really accelerate? Thank you.
Speaker #10: That would be helpful. I know you talked about Revio, Fulther being consistent, but just wondering if there's any more color across Vega and Revio.
Speaker #10: The burn—I know we could probably back into the burn ourselves—but is there a burn that you guys are targeting in 2026? And then the final one would just be with EMEA clinical surging, and Christian, you sound like it's going to continue to be strong.
Speaker #10: What will it take to see U.S. clinical growth really accelerate? Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah, thank you for the question, Stan. So I think, with respect to placement in Fulther, I do think we believe that the 225 to 250 range for Revio for Fulther continues to be a pretty realistic place for us to be.
Christian Henry: Yeah, thanks. Thank you for the question, Dan. So, you know, I think with respect to placement and pull-through, you know, I do think we believe that the $225 to 250 range for Revio for pull-through continues to be a pretty realistic place for us to be. You know, we will see how Spark Next obviously impacts that in the short term. We do think placements for Revio will be consistent, if not a little bit better than 2025.
Christian Henry: Yeah, thanks. Thank you for the question, Dan. So, you know, I think with respect to placement and pull-through, you know, I do think we believe that the $225 to 250 range for Revio for pull-through continues to be a pretty realistic place for us to be. You know, we will see how Spark Next obviously impacts that in the short term. We do think placements for Revio will be consistent, if not a little bit better than 2025.
Speaker #2: We will see how SparkNext, obviously, impacts that from a short term. We do think placements for Revio will be consistent, if not a little bit better, than 2025.
Christian Henry: And then, you know, if you look at Vega, we haven't really talked a lot about a Vega pull-through, but, you know, we now have 147 systems out there, and based on kind of what we're seeing, that it's likely that pull-through kind of sits in the $25,000 to $40,000 range, where, over time, and right now it's about $25,000, give or take. So it's a little bit at the lower end of that range, but I do think it has a bit of upward potential. But I think it's gonna be kind of that, you know, $25,000 to $40,000. You're gonna see lots of instrument placements. We do expect instrument placements to grow in the Vega product line this year, over 2025 levels.
Speaker #2: And then if you look at Vega, we haven't really talked a lot about Vega pull-through, but we now have 147 systems out there and based on kind of what we're seeing, it's likely that pull-through kind of sits in the $25,000 to $40,000 range, where over time, and right now, it's about $25,000, give or take.
Christian Henry: And then, you know, if you look at Vega, we haven't really talked a lot about a Vega pull-through, but, you know, we now have 147 systems out there, and based on kind of what we're seeing, that it's likely that pull-through kind of sits in the $25,000 to $40,000 range, where, over time, and right now it's about $25,000, give or take. So it's a little bit at the lower end of that range, but I do think it has a bit of upward potential. But I think it's gonna be kind of that, you know, $25,000 to $40,000. You're gonna see lots of instrument placements. We do expect instrument placements to grow in the Vega product line this year, over 2025 levels.
Speaker #2: So it's a little bit at the lower end of that range, but I do think it has a bit of upward potential. But I think it's going to be kind of that $25,000 to $40,000.
Speaker #2: You're going to see lots of instrument placements. We do expect instrument placements to grow in the Vega product line this year, over 2020-25 levels.
Speaker #2: And the sales funnel supports that. The other thing that's great about Vega is we've actually had much faster sales cycles and many more intra-quarter leads turning into orders—certainly more than Revio.
Christian Henry: And the sales funnel support that. You know, the other thing that's great about Vega is we've actually had much faster sales cycles, and lots of many more intra quarter leads turning into orders than certainly than Revio, but actually in general, at a pretty nice clip. So we're pretty excited about that. With respect to the burn for 2026, you know, the burn for 2026 will be, you know, we're gonna be working to kind of try to keep the burn relatively consistent, but the challenges we're going to face are really around proto, alpha, beta, you know, beta builds of the next generation system, driving some more, you know, driving some more spend than we otherwise would.
Christian Henry: And the sales funnel support that. You know, the other thing that's great about Vega is we've actually had much faster sales cycles, and lots of many more intra quarter leads turning into orders than certainly than Revio, but actually in general, at a pretty nice clip. So we're pretty excited about that. With respect to the burn for 2026, you know, the burn for 2026 will be, you know, we're gonna be working to kind of try to keep the burn relatively consistent, but the challenges we're going to face are really around proto, alpha, beta, you know, beta builds of the next generation system, driving some more, you know, driving some more spend than we otherwise would.
Speaker #2: But actually, in general, at a pretty nice clip. So we're pretty excited about that. With respect to the burn for '26, the burn for '26 will be we're going to be working to kind of try to keep the burn relatively consistent, but the challenges we're going to face are really around alpha, beta, beta builds of the next generation system driving some more driving some more spend than we otherwise would.
Speaker #2: Some of those units will ultimately be capitalized in the inventory and sold, but cash would likely go out the door this year for some of that.
Christian Henry: Some of those units will ultimately be capitalized into inventory and sold, but cash would likely go out the door this year for some of that. So I would expect burn to, you know, perhaps be just a touch higher than this year, because of that. But it will depend on how many end up getting capitalized into inventory and sold, which will then, you know, generate revenue, of course, but it may, the timing, you'll have to manage that. And then how disciplined we can be around managing operating expense so that we can balance, you know, balance those costs so that we keep our burn under control, as we try to push towards being cash flow positive.
Christian Henry: Some of those units will ultimately be capitalized into inventory and sold, but cash would likely go out the door this year for some of that. So I would expect burn to, you know, perhaps be just a touch higher than this year, because of that. But it will depend on how many end up getting capitalized into inventory and sold, which will then, you know, generate revenue, of course, but it may, the timing, you'll have to manage that. And then how disciplined we can be around managing operating expense so that we can balance, you know, balance those costs so that we keep our burn under control, as we try to push towards being cash flow positive.
Speaker #2: So, I would expect burn to perhaps be just a touch higher than this year because of that. But it will depend on how many end up getting capitalized into inventory and sold, which will then generate revenue from, of course.
Speaker #2: But it may be the timing; you'll have to manage that. And then, how disciplined we can be around managing operating expense so that we can balance those costs.
Speaker #2: So that we keep our burn under control as we try to push towards being cash flow positive. And then finally, with respect to EMEA and the US, the US market is much more focused on the targeted sequencing panels.
Christian Henry: And then finally, with respect to EMEA, you know, and the US, the US market is much more focused on the targeted sequencing panels. That's where our, you know, that's where our clinical growth has been so far, at least in the US markets, particularly with the bigger laboratories. And so and they've been mostly in research, you know, and validation mode. And so as those products start to get to market, you know, we should see, we should see real growth there, with some of the bigger, you know, some of the bigger players. And then, you know, the children's hospitals continue to be the vanguard, so to speak, like Children's Mercy, for example, with respect to whole genome approaches.
Christian Henry: And then finally, with respect to EMEA, you know, and the US, the US market is much more focused on the targeted sequencing panels. That's where our, you know, that's where our clinical growth has been so far, at least in the US markets, particularly with the bigger laboratories. And so and they've been mostly in research, you know, and validation mode. And so as those products start to get to market, you know, we should see, we should see real growth there, with some of the bigger, you know, some of the bigger players. And then, you know, the children's hospitals continue to be the vanguard, so to speak, like Children's Mercy, for example, with respect to whole genome approaches.
Speaker #2: That's where our clinical growth has been so far, at least in the US markets, particularly with the bigger laboratories. And so they've been mostly in research and validation mode.
Speaker #2: And so, as those products start to get to market, we should see real growth there, with some of the bigger players.
Speaker #2: And then the children's hospitals continue to be the vanguard, so to speak, like Children's Mercy, for example. With respect to whole genome approaches, I do think the recent demonstrations of favorable economics, in addition to faster turnaround time and higher diagnostic yield, are driving interest in the United States.
Christian Henry: I do think the recent, you know, the recent demonstrations of favorable economics, in addition to faster turnaround time and higher diagnostic yield, are driving interest in the United States. Those accounts are. There's definitely better funding and ability there. You know, it's up to us to go capitalize on that this year, and we'll see how we do.
Christian Henry: I do think the recent, you know, the recent demonstrations of favorable economics, in addition to faster turnaround time and higher diagnostic yield, are driving interest in the United States. Those accounts are. There's definitely better funding and ability there. You know, it's up to us to go capitalize on that this year, and we'll see how we do.
Speaker #2: And those accounts, there's definitely better funding and ability there. So it's up to us to go capitalize on that this year, and we'll see how we do.
Speaker #3: Thank you. And our final question today comes from Mason Carrico with Stevens. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our final question today comes from Mason Carrico with Stephens. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our final question today comes from Mason Carrico with Stephens. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: Hey, guys. Thanks for fitting me in here. So, are you guys expecting multi-system placement orders to become more common in 2026? And if so, should we expect that to have an impact on ASP via discounts?
Christian Henry: Hey, guys. Thanks for fitting me in here. So are you guys expecting multi-system placement orders to become more common in 2026? And if so, should we expect that to have an impact on ASP via discounts, or are you able to generally maintain pricing for those orders? Yeah, it's a good question, Mason, and the truth is, those are difficult and unpredictable, so you know, I can't really give you a you know, they're gonna be consistent every quarter or how many we're gonna get. But what we do see is that clinical customers, customers that wanna do you know, whole genomes in a kind of a clinical context, are generally gonna buy multiple Revios because they wanna have redundancy at a minimum, and then they wanna scale up.
Mason Carrico: Hey, guys. Thanks for fitting me in here. So are you guys expecting multi-system placement orders to become more common in 2026? And if so, should we expect that to have an impact on ASP via discounts, or are you able to generally maintain pricing for those orders?
Speaker #11: Or are you able to generally maintain pricing for those orders?
Christian Henry: Yeah, it's a good question, Mason, and the truth is, those are difficult and unpredictable, so you know, I can't really give you a you know, they're gonna be consistent every quarter or how many we're gonna get. But what we do see is that clinical customers, customers that wanna do you know, whole genomes in a kind of a clinical context, are generally gonna buy multiple Revios because they wanna have redundancy at a minimum, and then they wanna scale up.
Speaker #2: Yeah, it's a good question, Mason. And the truth is, those are difficult and unpredictable. So I can't really give you a 'they're going to be consistent every quarter,' or how many we're going to get.
Speaker #2: But what we do see is that clinical customers, customers that want to do whole genomes in a kind of a clinical context, are generally going to buy multiple Revios because they want to have redundancy at a minimum.
Speaker #2: And then they want to scale up. One thing we did see in 2025, and I think we'll continue to see, is customers adding to their capacity and scaling on the Revio system.
Christian Henry: One thing we did see in 2025, and I think we'll continue to see is customers adding to their capacity as and scaling on the Revio system. And so we saw that in a number of different accounts in 2025, and I think that will certainly continue in 2026. Both of those have an impact on ASP in, and so, you know, we are thinking holistically about driving the lifetime value of revenue for those accounts, and the faster we can get them running consumables, the more valuable those accounts are. And so, oftentimes, we will make a bit of an ASP trade-off for accelerating consumables.
Christian Henry: One thing we did see in 2025, and I think we'll continue to see is customers adding to their capacity as and scaling on the Revio system. And so we saw that in a number of different accounts in 2025, and I think that will certainly continue in 2026. Both of those have an impact on ASP in, and so, you know, we are thinking holistically about driving the lifetime value of revenue for those accounts, and the faster we can get them running consumables, the more valuable those accounts are. And so, oftentimes, we will make a bit of an ASP trade-off for accelerating consumables.
Speaker #2: And so we saw that in a number of different accounts in '25, and I think that will certainly continue in 2026. Both of those have an impact on ASP.
Speaker #2: And so, we are thinking holistically about driving the lifetime value of revenue for those accounts. And the faster we can get them running consumables, the more valuable those accounts are.
Speaker #2: And so oftentimes, we will make a bit of an ASP trade-off for accelerating consumables. And also, on top of that, driving for customers that are adding to their fleets and expanding—obviously our cost structure to serve those accounts goes down, which is certainly useful.
Christian Henry: And also on top of that, driving, you know, for customers that are adding to their fleets and expanding, obviously, our cost structure to serve those accounts goes down, which is certainly useful, and the volume, you know, goes up, which gives us, you know, more of that consumable higher gross margin consumable revenue. So it's a long-winded answer to basically say the timing of multisystem orders will continue to be variable, and we'll see how that goes over time.
Christian Henry: And also on top of that, driving, you know, for customers that are adding to their fleets and expanding, obviously, our cost structure to serve those accounts goes down, which is certainly useful, and the volume, you know, goes up, which gives us, you know, more of that consumable higher gross margin consumable revenue. So it's a long-winded answer to basically say the timing of multisystem orders will continue to be variable, and we'll see how that goes over time.
Speaker #2: And the volume goes up, which gives us more of that higher gross margin consumable revenue. So it's a long-winded answer to basically say the timing of multi-system orders will continue to be variable.
Speaker #2: And we'll see how that goes over time. But I do believe we're seeing customers add to their fleet, and those fleet additions are very positive for the company, both from a revenue perspective overall, lifetime value to customer, and then improving—driving that gross margin up.
Christian Henry: But I do believe we're seeing customers add to their fleet, and those fleet additions, you know, are very, very positive for the company, both from a revenue perspective overall, lifetime value to customer, and then, you know, improving, driving that gross margin up, and also really the operating margin associated with that particular account. We don't talk about that a lot, but if I can, you know, if I can have one sales rep managing, you know, $15 million of revenue out of an account versus 5, that obviously pays dividends for us. And so that's how we think about it, Mason. Hopefully, that helps.
Christian Henry: But I do believe we're seeing customers add to their fleet, and those fleet additions, you know, are very, very positive for the company, both from a revenue perspective overall, lifetime value to customer, and then, you know, improving, driving that gross margin up, and also really the operating margin associated with that particular account. We don't talk about that a lot, but if I can, you know, if I can have one sales rep managing, you know, $15 million of revenue out of an account versus 5, that obviously pays dividends for us. And so that's how we think about it, Mason. Hopefully, that helps.
Speaker #2: And also really the operating margin associated with that particular account. We don't talk about that a lot, but if I can have one sales rep managing $15 million of revenue out of an account versus $5 million, that obviously pays dividends for us.
Speaker #2: And so that's how we think about it, Mason. Hopefully, that helps.
Speaker #3: Thank you. And that concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Christian Henry for closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you, and that concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Christian Henry for closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you, and that concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Christian Henry for closing remarks.
Speaker #2: All right. Well, we thank everyone for their time today, and we hope to see some of you at AGBT in a couple of weeks.
Christian Henry: All right. Well, we thank everyone for their time today, and we hope to see some of you at AGBT in a couple of weeks here, and then, and then we have other conferences in March that we'll be attending, and, as usual, you can always reach out to us with the... if you have, questions offline. Thank you, everyone, for your attention and have a great evening. Cheers.
Christian Henry: All right. Well, we thank everyone for their time today, and we hope to see some of you at AGBT in a couple of weeks here, and then, and then we have other conferences in March that we'll be attending, and, as usual, you can always reach out to us with the... if you have, questions offline. Thank you, everyone, for your attention and have a great evening. Cheers.
Speaker #2: And then we have other conferences in March that we'll be attending. And as usual, you can always reach out to us if you have questions offline.
Speaker #2: Thank you, everyone, for your attention, and have a great evening. Cheers.
Speaker #3: Thank you. That concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful evening.
Operator: Thank you. That concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful evening.
Operator: Thank you. That concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful evening.