Q4 2025 Rio Tinto PLC Earnings Call

February 19, 2026

Speaker #1: It can be Nothing to do with the letter . Nothing Thank you Yes

Speaker #2: Okay A very warm welcome to everyone , both here in the room . And for those of us joining us remotely . I want to begin by acknowledging the traditional owners and First Nations peoples who host our operations around the world and pay my respects to their elders , past and present .

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Okay. A very warm welcome to everyone, both here in the room and for those of us joining us remotely. I want to begin by acknowledging the traditional owners and First Nations peoples who host our operations around the world, and pay my respects to their elders, past and present. We are pleased to be here today with our CEO, Simon, and our CFO, Peter Cunningham, to present to you our 2025 full year results, and this will be followed by a Q&A session. There are no planned fire evacuations today, so if you hear the alarm, please follow instructions from the fire wardens here at the London Stock Exchange. With that, I'd like to ask Simon to the stage.

Speaker #2: We are pleased to be here today with our CEO , Simon , and our CFO , Peter Cunningham , to present to you our 2025 full year results And this will be followed by a Q&A session There are no planned fire evacuations today , so if you hear the alarm , please follow instructions from the fire wardens here at the London Stock Exchange .

Speaker #2: With that , I'd like to ask Simon to the stage

Speaker #3: Good morning . All to those here in London . And of course , also those joining us online . So I'll start with safety .

Jakob Stausholm: Good morning, all, to those here in London and, of course, also those joining us online. I'll start with safety, and this evening, I'll fly to Guinea to spend some time with the team at Simandou. As you'll no doubt be aware, last Saturday, one of our colleagues died at the mine site. We've achieved a great deal at Simandou, but this tragedy underlines that we have more work to do to ensure that everyone goes home safely at the end of every shift. Safety is the foundation of our business, and nothing is more important than the people that work around us. We must be able to safely operate in different jurisdictions around the world, like Guinea. The leadership team and I are determined to learn from this tragedy, and we're taking some immediate actions. We've stopped all site works and construction activities.

Simon Trott: Good morning, all, to those here in London and, of course, also those joining us online. I'll start with safety, and this evening, I'll fly to Guinea to spend some time with the team at Simandou. As you'll no doubt be aware, last Saturday, one of our colleagues died at the mine site. We've achieved a great deal at Simandou, but this tragedy underlines that we have more work to do to ensure that everyone goes home safely at the end of every shift.

Speaker #3: And this evening . I'll fly to Guinea to spend some time with the team at Simandou . As you'll no doubt be aware , last Saturday one of our colleagues died at the mine site .

Speaker #3: We've achieved a great deal at Simandou , but this tragedy underlines that we have more work to do to ensure that everyone goes home safely .

Speaker #3: At the end of every shift, safety is the foundation of our business, and nothing is more important than the people that work around us.

Simon Trott: Safety is the foundation of our business, and nothing is more important than the people that work around us. We must be able to safely operate in different jurisdictions around the world, like Guinea. The leadership team and I are determined to learn from this tragedy, and we're taking some immediate actions. We've stopped all site works and construction activities.

Speaker #3: And we must be able to safely operate in different jurisdictions around the world , like Guinea . The leadership team and I are determined to learn from this tragedy , and we're taking some immediate actions We've stopped all site works and construction activities that started an independent investigation with both internal and external experts , and in addition , we will appoint an independent safety advisory panel .

Jakob Stausholm: We've started an independent investigation with both internal and external experts, and in addition, we will appoint an independent safety advisory panel. This will consist of leading safety practitioners from both industry and academia, together with experienced Rio Tinto alumni. It will provide additional guidance and support to our team as we complete construction and then move Simandou into operations. As we put in place these actions, we will reflect further on the lessons from our colleague's death. With these thoughts in mind, I'll turn now to our financial results. We're making clear progress towards our mission of being the world's most valued metals and mining business. The results today are underpinned by a stronger, sharper, and simpler way of working, which will lift productivity as well as lower costs, enabling us to cut complexity and focus on the right opportunities.

Simon Trott: We've started an independent investigation with both internal and external experts, and in addition, we will appoint an independent safety advisory panel. This will consist of leading safety practitioners from both industry and academia, together with experienced Rio Tinto alumni. It will provide additional guidance and support to our team as we complete construction and then move Simandou into operations. As we put in place these actions, we will reflect further on the lessons from our colleague's death.

Speaker #3: This will consist of leading safety practitioners from both industry and academia, together with experienced Rio Tinto alumni. It will provide additional guidance and support to our team as we complete construction and then move Simandou into operations. As we put in place these actions, we will reflect further on the lessons from our colleague's death. With these thoughts in mind, I'll turn now to our financial results, and we're making clear progress towards our mission of being the world's most valued metals and mining business.

Simon Trott: With these thoughts in mind, I'll turn now to our financial results. We're making clear progress towards our mission of being the world's most valued metals and mining business. The results today are underpinned by a stronger, sharper, and simpler way of working, which will lift productivity as well as lower costs, enabling us to cut complexity and focus on the right opportunities.

Speaker #3: The results today are underpinned by a stronger , sharper and simpler way of working , which will lift productivity as well as lower costs , enabling us to cut complexity and focus on the right opportunities .

Speaker #3: Our operational performance was strong in 2025, and we delivered an industry-leading 8% equivalent increase in copper equivalent production, setting annual records for both copper and bauxite.

Jakob Stausholm: Our operational performance was strong in 2025, and we delivered an industry-leading 8% equivalent increase in copper equivalent production, setting annual records for both copper and bauxite. Our Pilbara mines rebounded strongly from the cyclones at the start of the year and set production records from April. While volumes increased, our copper equivalent unit costs reduced by 5%. These results also show the value of diversification. Underlying EBITDA increased by 9% to $25.4 billion. The increases from both copper and aluminum were a particular highlight. Self-help was also a feature, as we unlocked a $650 million run rate in annualized productivity benefits, and I'll talk more about this shortly. Finally, the dividend. We achieved stable underlying earnings of $10.9 billion, and we will return 60% of this to shareholders, equating to $6.5 billion.

Simon Trott: Our operational performance was strong in 2025, and we delivered an industry-leading 8% equivalent increase in copper equivalent production, setting annual records for both copper and bauxite. Our Pilbara mines rebounded strongly from the cyclones at the start of the year and set production records from April. While volumes increased, our copper equivalent unit costs reduced by 5%. These results also show the value of diversification. Underlying EBITDA increased by 9% to $25.4 billion.

Speaker #3: Our Pilbara mines rebounded strongly from the cyclones at the start of the year , and set production records from April , and while volumes increased , our copper equivalent unit costs were reduced by 5% .

Speaker #3: These results also show the value of diversification, underlying EBITDA increased by 9% to $24.2 billion. The increases from both copper and aluminium were a particular highlight.

Simon Trott: The increases from both copper and aluminum were a particular highlight. Self-help was also a feature, as we unlocked a $650 million run rate in annualized productivity benefits, and I'll talk more about this shortly. Finally, the dividend. We achieved stable underlying earnings of $10.9 billion, and we will return 60% of this to shareholders, equating to $6.5 billion.

Speaker #3: Self-Help also a feature as we unlocked a 650 million run rate in annualized productivity benefits . And I'll talk more about this shortly Finally , the dividend we achieved stable underlying earnings of 10.9 billion .

Speaker #3: And we will return 60% of this to shareholders , equating to 6.5 billion . Now stepping back , we've got the right assets in the right commodities and we're well positioned to deliver growth in the years ahead .

Jakob Stausholm: Now, stepping back, we've got the right assets in the right commodities, and we're well-positioned to deliver growth in the years ahead. Over the next decade, we expect strong growth from aluminum, lithium, and copper, with steel demand remaining resilient. At the same time, across the board, supply is constrained, with sector CapEx 50% lower than its 2013 peak. Now, Rio's got the people, the capability, and the projects to meet this demand, and we're achieving this through operational excellence. This is driving our strong production performance, putting us on track to deliver our ambition of 3% CAGR for copper equivalent production through to the end of this decade. As part of our stronger, sharper, simpler way of working, we're also driving operational outcomes and structurally reducing costs.

Simon Trott: Now, stepping back, we've got the right assets in the right commodities, and we're well-positioned to deliver growth in the years ahead. Over the next decade, we expect strong growth from aluminum, lithium, and copper, with steel demand remaining resilient. At the same time, across the board, supply is constrained, with sector CapEx 50% lower than its 2013 peak.

Speaker #3: Over the next decade , we expect strong growth from aluminium , lithium and copper with steel demand remaining resilient At the same time , across the board supply is constrained with sector CapEx 50% lower than its 2013 peak .

Simon Trott: Now, Rio's got the people, the capability, and the projects to meet this demand, and we're achieving this through operational excellence. This is driving our strong production performance, putting us on track to deliver our ambition of 3% CAGR for copper equivalent production through to the end of this decade. As part of our stronger, sharper, simpler way of working, we're also driving operational outcomes and structurally reducing costs.

Speaker #3: Now Rio's got the people the capability and the projects to meet this demand , and we're achieving this through operational excellence This is driving our strong production performance , putting us on track to deliver our ambition of 3% CAGR for copper equivalent production through to the end of this decade As part of our stronger , sharper , simpler way of working , we're also driving operational outcomes and structurally reducing costs We will achieve the 650 million annual run rate in productivity by the end of this quarter , and with the strong start in 2026 , we will deliver cash improvements materially above this Q1 run rate in 2026 .

Jakob Stausholm: We will achieve the $650 million annual run rate in productivity by the end of this quarter, and with this strong start in 2026, we will deliver cash improvements materially above this Q1 run rate in 2026. Of course, to drive the growth that creates value for our shareholders, we need to deliver on our projects safely, reliably, and at scale. In 2025, with Oyu Tolgoi, Simandou, and our in-flight lithium projects, we executed some of the most technically challenging mining projects on the planet. That underground development at OT is now complete, fully invested, and the growth is ramping up. We're on track to deliver, on average, around 500,000 tons of copper per year between 2028 and 2036.

Simon Trott: We will achieve the $650 million annual run rate in productivity by the end of this quarter, and with this strong start in 2026, we will deliver cash improvements materially above this Q1 run rate in 2026. Of course, to drive the growth that creates value for our shareholders, we need to deliver on our projects safely, reliably, and at scale. In 2025, with Oyu Tolgoi, Simandou, and our in-flight lithium projects, we executed some of the most technically challenging mining projects on the planet. That underground development at OT is now complete, fully invested, and the growth is ramping up. We're on track to deliver, on average, around 500,000 tons of copper per year between 2028 and 2036.

Speaker #3: Of course, the drive of the growth that creates value for our shareholders: we need to deliver on our projects safely, reliably, and at scale.

Speaker #3: And in 2025 , with Olikoye , Simandou and our in-flight lithium projects , we executed some of the most technically challenging mining projects on the planet that underground development at OT is now complete , fully invested and the growth is ramping up , and we're on track to deliver , on average , around 500,000 tonnes of copper per year between 2028 and 2036 .

Speaker #3: In December, we also achieved our first shipment of high-quality iron ore from Simandou, and we will deliver 60 million tonnes per annum of iron ore as we fully ramp up. In lithium, we're progressing our in-flight projects targeting capacity of 200,000 tonnes per annum by 2028.

Jakob Stausholm: In December, we also achieved our first shipment of high-quality iron ore from Simandou, and we will deliver 60 million tons per annum of iron ore as we fully ramp up. In lithium, we're progressing our in-flight projects, targeting capacity 200,000 tons per annum by 2028. We're delivering tangible outcomes today. We have the project pipeline to extend growth well into the 2030s, with copper at its core. That includes projects like La Granja in Peru, Resolution in Arizona, Nueva Cobre in Chile, which I'll visit shortly. I've asked our exploration team to narrow their scope and put copper front and center. So we're now directing 85% of our exploration budget towards copper. We are clear-eyed about the task. No matter how amazing the geology, this effort must translate into value accretive projects.

Simon Trott: In December, we also achieved our first shipment of high-quality iron ore from Simandou, and we will deliver 60 million tons per annum of iron ore as we fully ramp up. In lithium, we're progressing our in-flight projects, targeting capacity 200,000 tons per annum by 2028. We're delivering tangible outcomes today. We have the project pipeline to extend growth well into the 2030s, with copper at its core.

Speaker #3: We're delivering tangible outcomes today and we have the project pipeline to extend growth well into the 2030s with copper at its core That includes projects like La Gracia in Peru , resolution in Arizona , Nuevo Cobre in Chile , which I'll visit shortly .

Simon Trott: That includes projects like La Granja in Peru, Resolution in Arizona, Nueva Cobre in Chile, which I'll visit shortly. I've asked our exploration team to narrow their scope and put copper front and center. So we're now directing 85% of our exploration budget towards copper. We are clear-eyed about the task. No matter how amazing the geology, this effort must translate into value accretive projects.

Speaker #3: And I've asked our exploration team to narrow their scope and put copper front and centre. And so we're now directing 85% of our exploration budget towards copper.

Speaker #3: But we are clear eyed about the task no matter how amazing the geology This effort must translate into value accretive projects . And finally , capital discipline .

Jakob Stausholm: Finally, capital discipline, the bedrock of strong and consistent shareholder returns. Rigorous capital allocation guides every investment decision we make. All projects must compete for capital, and every dollar we invest must create shareholder value. The same standards apply to how we manage our portfolio. As we said at Capital Markets, we will deliver $5 to 10 billion in cash proceeds from our asset base, and we're now actively testing the market for RCIT and the Borates businesses. To sum up, we're achieving both returns and growth, returning cash to shareholders and, at the same time, delivering the largest number of greenfield projects of any of the diversified miners, whilst retaining the industry's best growth options. That same discipline underlines how we approach any major portfolio decision. Let me touch briefly on the discussions we had with Glencore.

Simon Trott: Finally, capital discipline, the bedrock of strong and consistent shareholder returns. Rigorous capital allocation guides every investment decision we make. All projects must compete for capital, and every dollar we invest must create shareholder value. The same standards apply to how we manage our portfolio.

Speaker #3: The bedrock of strong and consistent shareholder returns, rigorous capital allocation guides every investment decision we make. All projects must compete for capital, and every dollar we invest must create shareholder value.

Speaker #3: The same standards apply to how we manage our portfolio. As we said at Capital Markets, we will deliver $5 to $10 billion in cash proceeds from our asset base, and we're now actively testing the market for RTT and the Borates businesses.

Simon Trott: As we said at Capital Markets, we will deliver $5 to 10 billion in cash proceeds from our asset base, and we're now actively testing the market for RCIT and the Borates businesses. To sum up, we're achieving both returns and growth, returning cash to shareholders and, at the same time, delivering the largest number of greenfield projects of any of the diversified miners, whilst retaining the industry's best growth options. That same discipline underlines how we approach any major portfolio decision. Let me touch briefly on the discussions we had with Glencore.

Speaker #3: To sum up, we're achieving both returns and growth, returning cash to shareholders and at the same time delivering the largest number of greenfield projects of any of the diversified miners, whilst retaining the industry's best growth options. That same discipline underlines how we approach any major portfolio decision.

Speaker #3: So let me touch briefly on the discussions we had with Glencore . We went under the hood with a singular focus on whether we could create value for shareholders .

Jakob Stausholm: We went under the hood with a singular focus on whether we could create value for shareholders. We considered what we could bring to the table and the extent to which we could generate incremental value across a combined portfolio. We had constructive discussions between the two teams. Ultimately, we concluded that we could not reach an agreement that would deliver value for Rio Tinto shareholders. Now, as you might recall at Capital Markets Day, I said we would look at M&A opportunities through a disciplined lens, and that's exactly what we've done. This same focus on value will continue to guide us. With that, I'll hand over to Peter, who'll take you through the financials in more detail.

Simon Trott: We went under the hood with a singular focus on whether we could create value for shareholders. We considered what we could bring to the table and the extent to which we could generate incremental value across a combined portfolio. We had constructive discussions between the two teams. Ultimately, we concluded that we could not reach an agreement that would deliver value for Rio Tinto shareholders.

Speaker #3: We considered what we could bring to the table and the extent to which we could generate incremental value across a combined portfolio. We had constructive discussions between the two teams.

Speaker #3: Ultimately , we concluded that we could not reach an agreement that would deliver value for Rio Tinto shareholders Now , as you might recall , at Capital Markets Day , I said we would look at M&A opportunities through a disciplined lens .

Simon Trott: Now, as you might recall at Capital Markets Day, I said we would look at M&A opportunities through a disciplined lens, and that's exactly what we've done. This same focus on value will continue to guide us. With that, I'll hand over to Peter, who'll take you through the financials in more detail.

Speaker #3: And that's exactly what we've done And this same focus on value will continue to guide us . With that , I'll hand over to Peter who'll take you through the financials in more detail

Speaker #4: Thanks , Simon At our Capital Markets Day , we set out a clear pathway to increase volumes , reduce costs and release cash from our asset base , all of which will strengthen our balance sheet and drive future returns In 2025 , the improvement in our financials was largely driven by volume growth .

Peter Cunningham: Thanks, Simon. At our Capital Markets Day, we set out a clear pathway to increase volumes, reduce costs, and release cash from our asset base, all of which will strengthen our balance sheet and drive future returns. In 2025, the improvement in our financials was largely driven by volume growth, a function of our ongoing drive towards operational excellence and higher copper volumes from OT. Today, we are reporting nearly $3 billion of volume improvement year-over-year. Cost discipline was also good, and we started to deliver substantial reductions late in 2025. These will flow into our results in 2026 and will be enhanced as we implement systemic improvements across our business. More on that later.

Speaker #4: The function of our ongoing drive towards operational excellence and higher copper volumes from OT. Today, we are reporting nearly $3 billion of volume improvement.

Peter Cunningham: Today, we are reporting nearly $3 billion of volume improvement year-over-year. Cost discipline was also good, and we started to deliver substantial reductions late in 2025. These will flow into our results in 2026 and will be enhanced as we implement systemic improvements across our business. More on that later.

Speaker #4: Year on year Cost discipline was also good and we started to deliver substantial reductions late in 2025 . These will flow into our results in 2026 and will be enhanced as we implement systemic improvements across our business More on that later .

Speaker #4: Our net debt increased to $14.4 billion as we absorbed the Arcadia acquisition, and fell slightly in the second half of the year due to our strong operating cash flow. The balance sheet remains in good shape and gearing is modest at 18%, with future capital release initiatives set to further strengthen our position. Once again, we're paying out 60% of our underlying earnings as dividends. Let's now take a closer look at our markets.

Peter Cunningham: Our net debt increased to $14.4 billion as we absorbed the Arcadium acquisition and falling slightly in the second half of the year due to our strong operating cash flow. The balance sheet remains in good shape and gearing is modest at 18%, with future capital release initiatives set to further strengthen our position. Once again, we're paying out 60% of our underlying earnings as dividends. Let's now take a closer look at our markets. Now, there are two key messages here. Firstly, the resilience of iron ore, and secondly, the positive correlation of our other products with the energy transition. Iron ore remains supported by Chinese steel export growth and a structurally balanced market.

Speaker #4: Now there are two key messages here . Firstly , the resilience of iron ore and secondly , the positive correlation of our other products with the energy transition Iron ore remains supported by Chinese steel export growth and a structurally balanced market As Vivek outlined at our Capital Markets Day .

Peter Cunningham: As Vivek outlined at our Capital Markets Day, the cost curve remains steep and is supported at the top end by over 100 price-sensitive producers from more than 20 countries. Copper and aluminum prices both rose 9%, but average prices don't tell the whole story. Copper ended the year 44% higher than 12 months earlier, and aluminum, 17% higher. The demand growth picture is not uniformly strong. Traditional areas such as construction remain weak, but the backbone of growth is the energy transition, particularly around power systems and electrification. The energy transition, combined with supply constraints and reinforced by investment inflows, is driving the market strength. Lithium also ended the year with strong momentum as markets came back into balance earlier than expected.

Speaker #4: The cost curve remains steep and is supported at the top end by over 100 price-sensitive producers from more than 20 countries. Copper and aluminium prices both rose 9%, but average prices don't tell the whole story.

Speaker #4: Copper ended the year 44% higher than 12 months earlier, and aluminium 17% higher. The demand growth picture is not uniformly strong.

Speaker #4: Traditional areas such as construction remain weak , but the backbone of growth is the energy transition , particularly around power systems and electrification The energy transition , combined with supply constraints and reinforced by investment inflows , is driving the market strength Lithium also ended the year with strong momentum as markets came back into balance .

Peter Cunningham: Traditional areas such as construction remain weak, but the backbone of growth is the energy transition, particularly around power systems and electrification. The energy transition, combined with supply constraints and reinforced by investment inflows, is driving the market strength. Lithium also ended the year with strong momentum as markets came back into balance earlier than expected.

Speaker #4: Earlier than expected . Battery storage demand is emerging as a fast growing pillar of the energy transition , with growth now outpacing EVs as renewables scale and grid firming becomes critical It continues to surprise many market commentators to the upside Turning now to our EBITDA composition over the last two years , iron ore EBITDA was down 11% .

Peter Cunningham: Battery storage demand is emerging as a fast-growing pillar of the energy transition, with growth now outpacing EVs as renewable scale and grid firming becomes critical. It continues to surprise many market commentators to the upside. Turning now to our EBITDA composition over the last two years, iron ore EBITDA was down 11%, but the copper and aluminum more than offset this. Our portfolio gives us the ability to allocate capital to shareholder returns and to grow with confidence, recognizing our best returns come from improving our existing assets and reducing our cost base. At the CMD, we announced $650 million of near-term productivity benefits, driven by stronger operational discipline, a streamlined organization, and a sharper focus on the portfolio. For the past few months, we've reshaped our organization, rescoped and stopped work.

Speaker #4: But the copper and aluminium more than offset this Our portfolio gives us the ability to allocate capital to shareholder returns and to grow with confidence , recognizing our best returns come from improving our existing assets and reducing our cost base At the CMD , we announced $650 million of near-term productivity benefits , driven by stronger operational discipline , a streamlined organisation , and a sharper focus on the portfolio .

Peter Cunningham: Our portfolio gives us the ability to allocate capital to shareholder returns and to grow with confidence, recognizing our best returns come from improving our existing assets and reducing our cost base. At the CMD, we announced $650 million of near-term productivity benefits, driven by stronger operational discipline, a streamlined organization, and a sharper focus on the portfolio. For the past few months, we've reshaped our organization, rescoped and stopped work.

Speaker #4: For the past few months , we've reshaped our organisation , Rescoped and stopped work by the end of Q1 , we will be into our next phase of the programme , which is larger in scale , multi-year , and steps us towards full potential in the Pilbara .

Peter Cunningham: By the end of Q1, we will be into our next phase of the program, which is larger in scale, multi-year, and steps us towards full potential. In the Pilbara, we're looking at different ways to operate our system, focusing on contingency stockpiles and optimization of our asset shut sequencing. This will enable increased asset throughput and smarter use of spend across the mines. For copper, we're driving productivity of underground equipment and operations in both development and production areas, while improving metal recoveries in the concentrators. In aluminum, we're focused on sharpening day-to-day operational discipline, strengthening smelter stability, improving maintenance quality, and raising contractor performance to ensure operational consistency year after year. Centrally, we're reorganizing our operating model to clarify accountabilities and streamline workflows. We've already redefined our closure operating model, optimizing R&D spend, and are driving further improvements in sustaining capital projects.

Speaker #4: We're looking at different ways to operate our system, focusing on contingency stockpiles and optimisation of our asset shut sequencing. This will enable increased asset throughput and smarter use of spend across the mines.

Speaker #4: For copper , we're driving productivity of underground equipment and operations in both development and production areas . While improving metal recoveries in the concentrators in aluminium , we're focused on sharpening day to day operational discipline , strengthening smelter stability , improving maintenance quality and raising contractor performance to ensure operational consistency year after year and centrally , we're reorganising our operating model to clarify accountabilities and streamline workflows We've already redefined our closure operating model , optimising R&D spend and a driving further improvements in sustaining capital projects .

Peter Cunningham: In aluminum, we're focused on sharpening day-to-day operational discipline, strengthening smelter stability, improving maintenance quality, and raising contractor performance to ensure operational consistency year after year. Centrally, we're reorganizing our operating model to clarify accountabilities and streamline workflows. We've already redefined our closure operating model, optimizing R&D spend, and are driving further improvements in sustaining capital projects.

Speaker #4: Now, we expect the value uplift to be materially more than the first phase, with programmes advancing in 2026. As we scale up to deliver further in 2027 and 2028.

Peter Cunningham: Now, we expect the value uplift to be materially more than the first phase, with programs advancing in 2026 as we scale up to deliver further in 2027 and 2028. Let's now unpack EBITDA through our standard waterfall. For the first time in many years, we experienced minimal net impact from commodity prices, with lower iron ore fully compensated by higher prices for aluminum and, in particular, copper. As I said earlier, the big driver of earnings growth was volumes, with higher sales delivering a $2.9 billion uplift. This is mostly from copper and gold, with a ramp-up of OT and improved output from Escondida. Higher iron ore sales from the Pilbara were also an important contributor. Volumes were also a major driver of the $800 million improvement in unit costs due to fixed cost efficiencies.

Speaker #4: Let's now unpack EBITDA through our standard waterfall for the first time in many years. We experienced minimal net impact from commodity prices, with lower iron ore fully compensated by higher prices for aluminium and, in particular, copper. As I said earlier, the big driver of earnings growth was volumes, with higher sales delivering a $2.9 billion uplift.

Peter Cunningham: As I said earlier, the big driver of earnings growth was volumes, with higher sales delivering a $2.9 billion uplift. This is mostly from copper and gold, with a ramp-up of OT and improved output from Escondida. Higher iron ore sales from the Pilbara were also an important contributor. Volumes were also a major driver of the $800 million improvement in unit costs due to fixed cost efficiencies.

Speaker #4: This is mostly from copper and gold , with a ramp up of OTT and improved output from Escondida . Iron , iron ore sales from the Pilbara were also an important contributor .

Speaker #4: Volumes were also a major driver of the $800 million improvement in unit costs due to fixed costs and efficiencies. Now, in copper equivalent unit cost terms, this represented a 5% reduction.

Peter Cunningham: Now, in copper equivalent unit cost terms, this represented a 5% reduction. There were a few offsets. Kennecott is on track to deliver production increase by 40% to 50% over the next few years, as we outlined at CMD. Its operating performance is much improved, but the financials were impacted by the base effect of refining high intermediate product inventories in 2024. Secondly, our Pilbara business recovered impressively from the four cyclones, with record production rates since April. However, there was a $700 million EBITDA impact. Looking forward to 2026, volume growth will be more muted at around 3% across our managed operations, which will be offset by closures at Arvida, Diavik, and the mid-year curtailment at Yarwun, and an expected grade decline at Escondida. Now, nothing has changed from the parameters that we set out at the CMD.

Speaker #4: There were a few offsets. Kennecott is on track to deliver a production increase of 40% to 50% over the next few years. As we outlined at CMD, its operating performance is much improved, but the financials were impacted by the base effect of refining high intermediate product inventories in 2024.

Peter Cunningham: Secondly, our Pilbara business recovered impressively from the four cyclones, with record production rates since April. However, there was a $700 million EBITDA impact. Looking forward to 2026, volume growth will be more muted at around 3% across our managed operations, which will be offset by closures at Arvida, Diavik, and the mid-year curtailment at Yarwun, and an expected grade decline at Escondida. Now, nothing has changed from the parameters that we set out at the CMD.

Speaker #4: Secondly , our Pilbara business recovered impressively from the four cyclones with record production rates since April . However , there was a $700 million EBITDA impact Looking forward to 2026 volume growth will be more muted at around 3% across our managed operations , which will be offset by closures at our Vida Diavik and the mid-year curtailment of Darwin and an expected grade decline at Escondida Now , nothing has changed from the parameters that we set out at the CMD .

Speaker #4: We are pushing very hard on productivity improvements and cost reductions , building on the initial $650 million already identified and secured , I would therefore expect the aggregate volume and cost improvements , net of headwinds , to be a material uplift on that number in 2026 .

Peter Cunningham: We are pushing very hard on productivity improvements and cost reductions, building on the initial $650 million already identified and secured. I would therefore expect the aggregate volume and cost improvements, net of headwinds, to be a material uplift on that number in 2026. On to the product groups. Iron ore delivered $15.2 billion of EBITDA. The product strategy has been successfully introduced to the market, aligning sales to our system, and we've seen strong cost control reflected in unit costs in line with guidance at $23.50 per ton. For 2026, we're guiding to $23.50 to $25 per ton, reflecting in part the impact of a stronger Australian dollar. Copper was the standout, with EBITDA more than doubling to $7.4 billion, driven by higher prices and rising volumes.

Speaker #4: On to the product groups Iron ore delivered $15.2 billion of EBITDA . The product strategy has been successfully introduced to the market , aligning sales to our system , and we've seen strong cost control reflected in unit costs in line with guidance at $23.50 per tonne for 2026 , we're guiding to $23.50 to $25 per tonne , reflecting in part the impact of a stronger Australian dollar Copper was the standout , with EBITDA more than doubling to $7.4 billion , driven by higher prices and rising volumes .

Peter Cunningham: The product strategy has been successfully introduced to the market, aligning sales to our system, and we've seen strong cost control reflected in unit costs in line with guidance at $23.50 per ton. For 2026, we're guiding to $23.50 to $25 per ton, reflecting in part the impact of a stronger Australian dollar. Copper was the standout, with EBITDA more than doubling to $7.4 billion, driven by higher prices and rising volumes.

Speaker #4: Shipments were up 60% at OTT , where the underground development project is now complete Unit costs were down 53% and 2026 guidance is comparable to 2025 aluminium sustained its impressive record of stability in particular for smelting and bauxite , where we set a new production record and we took advantage of stronger markets , leading to a step change in financial performance with EBITDA up 20% .

Peter Cunningham: Shipments were up 60% at OT, where the underground development project is now complete. Unit costs were down 53%, and 2026 guidance is comparable to 2025. Aluminum sustained its impressive record of stability, in particular for smelting and bauxite, where we set a new production record. We took advantage of stronger markets, leading to a step change in financial performance with EBITDA up 20%. Now, our commercial team continues to proactively optimize our vertically integrated position in the changing tariff environment. It was the first year for our new lithium business, which is clearly not yet a significant contributor, but as set out at the December deep dive, we'll focus on delivering the in-flight projects, which will bring us to a meaningful capacity of around 200,000 tons by 2028.

Speaker #4: Now , our commercial team continues to proactively optimise our vertically integrated position in the changing tariff environment . It was the first year for our new lithium business , which is clearly not yet a significant contributor , but is set out at the December deep dive .

Peter Cunningham: Now, our commercial team continues to proactively optimize our vertically integrated position in the changing tariff environment. It was the first year for our new lithium business, which is clearly not yet a significant contributor, but as set out at the December deep dive, we'll focus on delivering the in-flight projects, which will bring us to a meaningful capacity of around 200,000 tons by 2028.

Speaker #4: We'll focus on delivering the in-flight projects, which will bring us to a meaningful capacity of around 200,000 tonnes by 2028. CapEx in 2025 was at the high end of our guidance range of around $11 billion.

Peter Cunningham: CapEx in 2025 is at the high end of our guidance range of around $11 billion as we hit peak spend on growth with an outlay of $1.6 billion at Simandou and just over $1 billion on lithium growth projects. Now, this is a crucial period of CapEx spend, which will underpin future earnings. Our growth commitments will ease over the next few years, with Simandou nearly 2/3 complete. We do continue to strengthen our Pilbara system through replacement mine investments, and also Weipa, where later this year we will consider a final decision on the expansion of the Amrun mine. Given this context, we see no change to our guidance of up to $11 billion for the next two years before stepping down to $10 billion thereafter. Turning to the balance sheet.

Speaker #4: As we hit peak spend on growth, with an outlay of $1.6 billion at Simandou and just over $1 billion on lithium growth projects.

Speaker #4: Now , this is a crucial period of CapEx spend , which will underpin future earnings . Our growth commitments will ease over the next few years , with Simandou nearly two thirds complete .

Speaker #4: We do continue to strengthen our Pilbara system through replacement mine investments, and also Weipa, where later this year we will consider a final decision on the expansion of the Amrun mine. Given this context, we see no change to our guidance of up to $11 billion for the next two years.

Peter Cunningham: We do continue to strengthen our Pilbara system through replacement mine investments, and also Weipa, where later this year we will consider a final decision on the expansion of the Amrun mine. Given this context, we see no change to our guidance of up to $11 billion for the next two years before stepping down to $10 billion thereafter. Turning to the balance sheet.

Speaker #4: Before stepping down to $10 billion thereafter. Turning to the balance sheet, net debt has risen to $14.4 billion following completion of the Arcadian transaction, a level comfortably in a range consistent with our commitment to a single A credit rating.

Peter Cunningham: Net debt has risen to $14.4 billion following completion of the Arcadium transaction, a level comfortably in a range consistent with our commitment to a Single A credit rating. All our credit metrics are in a solid place. This remains a strong balance sheet. We're committed to our capital framework and shareholder returns policy of paying 40% to 60% of underlying earnings. We know that distributions to shareholders are incredibly important, and once again, we're paying out at 60% and now have a 10-year track record of paying at the top of the range. To summarize, we have the right assets and the right commodities. 2025 was a solid year of delivery, with sustainable volume uplift.

Speaker #4: All our credit metrics are in a solid place . This remains a strong balance sheet . We're committed to our capital framework and shareholder returns policy of paying 40 to 60% of underlying earnings .

Speaker #4: We know that distributions to shareholders are incredibly important , and once again , we're paying out at 60% . And now have a ten year track record of paying at the top of the range .

Peter Cunningham: We know that distributions to shareholders are incredibly important, and once again, we're paying out at 60% and now have a 10-year track record of paying at the top of the range. To summarize, we have the right assets and the right commodities. 2025 was a solid year of delivery, with sustainable volume uplift.

Speaker #4: So to summarise , we have the right assets and the right commodities . 2025 was a solid year of delivery with sustainable volume uplift .

Speaker #4: And over the next few years, our focus turns to a powerful combination of self-help and growth. As we build on the productivity improvements and we see the first results from the capital release, the balance sheet remains strong, and we're generating very stable operating cash flow from our diversified portfolio.

Peter Cunningham: Over the next few years, our focus turns to a powerful combination of self-help and growth as we build on the productivity improvements, and we see the first results from the capital release. The balance sheet remains strong, and we're generating very stable operating cash flow from our diversified portfolio. With that, I'll turn back to Simon.

Speaker #4: And with that, I'll turn back to Simon.

Speaker #3: Thanks , Peter . We've talked about what we're achieving and stronger , sharper , simpler is how we're doing it . It's the operating discipline that underpins the way we think about value creation across the group .

Jakob Stausholm: Thanks, Peter. We've talked about what we're achieving, and stronger, sharper, simpler is how we're doing it. It's the operating discipline that underpins the way we think about value creation across the group. Over 2026, we will focus on structurally improving the cost base and achieving a meaningful step up in underlying performance. This work cannot succeed without our leadership team's full engagement, and I've been impressed by the way we've come together. Peter has updated you on our program. Three words on this slide, simplify, deliver, and release, reflect our priorities for the year ahead. To sum up, returns and growth. We grew by 8% in copper equivalent terms. Our strong operating performance, combined with our focus on cost and capital discipline, translates into the financial results you see today as we return $6.5 billion to you, our shareholders.

Simon Trott: Thanks, Peter. We've talked about what we're achieving, and stronger, sharper, simpler is how we're doing it. It's the operating discipline that underpins the way we think about value creation across the group. Over 2026, we will focus on structurally improving the cost base and achieving a meaningful step up in underlying performance. This work cannot succeed without our leadership team's full engagement, and I've been impressed by the way we've come together. Peter has updated you on our program.

Speaker #3: Over 2026 , we will focus on structurally improving the cost base and achieving a meaningful step up in underlying performance This work cannot succeed without our leadership teams full engagement , and I've been impressed by the way we've come together Peter has updated you on our program , and three words on this on this slide , simplify , deliver and release reflect our priorities for the year ahead So to sum up , returns and growth .

Simon Trott: Three words on this slide, simplify, deliver, and release, reflect our priorities for the year ahead. To sum up, returns and growth. We grew by 8% in copper equivalent terms. Our strong operating performance, combined with our focus on cost and capital discipline, translates into the financial results you see today as we return $6.5 billion to you, our shareholders. I'm confident that there's even more to come. Thank you for your time, and with that, we'll open up to questions.

Speaker #3: We grew by 8% in copper equivalent terms. Our strong operating performance, combined with our focus on cost and capital discipline, translates into the financial results you see today.

Speaker #3: As we return $6.5 billion to you, our shareholders. And I'm confident that there's even more to come. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

Jakob Stausholm: I'm confident that there's even more to come. Thank you for your time, and with that, we'll open up to questions.

Speaker #3: And with that, we'll open up to questions.

Speaker #2: We’ll give me one minute. Thirty seconds. So, we are going to open up to Q&A. We’ve got a bit over 30 minutes.

Unknown: Give me one minute, 30 seconds. We are gonna open up to Q&A. We've got a bit over 30 minutes. We will start here in the room, and then we'll go to those on the line. Let's start here at the front.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Give me one minute, 30 seconds. We are gonna open up to Q&A. We've got a bit over 30 minutes. We will start here in the room, and then we'll go to those on the line. Let's start here at the front.

Speaker #2: We will start here in the room, and then we'll go to those on the line. And let's start here at the front.

Speaker #4: Thanks , Myles Allsop UBS Maybe start with the elephant in the Glencore talks . Maybe . Can you say what .

Myles Allsop: Thanks. Myles Allsop at UBS. Maybe start with the elephant and the Glencore talks. Maybe could you say what you-

Speaker #3: You're running a book at .

Jakob Stausholm: I was running a book. You've made me happy. I think we all won.

Simon Trott: I was running a book. You've made me happy. I think we all won.

Speaker #1: A certain point

Speaker #3: You've made me happy .

Speaker #4: I think we all .

Speaker #1: Want

Myles Allsop: Do you feel comfortable owning coal? Would be, you know, first question. What do you think you've learned from the discussions? You know, what sort of synergies did you see from that sort of combination? Obviously, the value didn't work, but, you know, any other issues that kind of stopped the deal from happening?

Speaker #4: So do you feel comfortable owning coal . It would be first question . What do you think you've learnt from the discussions ? What sort of synergies did you see from that sort of combination ?

Speaker #4: Obviously, the value didn't work, but any other issues that kind of stopped the deal from happening?

Jakob Stausholm: You always learn through these processes. The constructive discussions, you learn, I guess, about your own business, you learn about others as well. As I said in my presentation, we went deep, we went under the hood, we looked rigorously and clinically, and ultimately didn't get there on value. The discussions were for the full perimeter, and the way that we think about that is really through the lens of the underlying asset quality and whether together in a combined portfolio, we could incrementally add value compared to the case we laid out at Capital Markets. It's through that lens that we assess the transaction. Really comfortable with the plans that we put out at Capital Markets, and as you can see today, that's a full focus of the team.

Speaker #3: So you always learn through these processes . The constructive discussions you learn , I guess , about your own business , you learn about others as well .

Simon Trott: You always learn through these processes. The constructive discussions, you learn, I guess, about your own business, you learn about others as well. As I said in my presentation, we went deep, we went under the hood, we looked rigorously and clinically, and ultimately didn't get there on value. The discussions were for the full perimeter, and the way that we think about that is really through the lens of the underlying asset quality and whether together in a combined portfolio, we could incrementally add value compared to the case we laid out at Capital Markets. It's through that lens that we assess the transaction. Really comfortable with the plans that we put out at Capital Markets, and as you can see today, that's a full focus of the team.

Speaker #3: And as I said in my presentation, we went deep. We went under the hood. We looked rigorously and clinically, and ultimately didn't get there on value.

Speaker #3: The discussions were for the full perimeter, and the way that we think about that is really through the lens of the underlying asset quality, and whether together, in a combined portfolio, we could incrementally add value compared to the case we laid out at Capital Markets.

Speaker #3: And it's through that lens that we assess the transaction. Really comfortable with the plans that we put out at Capital Markets.

Speaker #3: And as you can see today, that's the full focus of the team.

Speaker #4: And owning coal—was that ever a concern from the management team?

Myles Allsop: Owning coal, was that ever a concern from the management team?

Speaker #3: As I say, so it was for the full perimeter of the business, including coal. And really through that lens of what's the underlying asset quality, and can we add value through the combination?

Jakob Stausholm: As I say, so it was for the full perimeter of the business, including coal. Really through that lens of what's the underlying asset quality and can we add value through the combination?

Simon Trott: As I say, so it was for the full perimeter of the business, including coal. Really through that lens of what's the underlying asset quality and can we add value through the combination?

Speaker #2: Okay , Ellen

Unknown: Okay. Alan.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Okay. Alan.

Speaker #5: Thanks . Thanks , Simon , this is Allan Gabriel at Morgan Stanley . A couple of questions . One is on streaming , which appears to be quite in vogue .

Alain Gabriel: Thanks, Simon. This is Alain Gabriel at Morgan Stanley. A couple of questions. One is on streaming, which appears to be quite in vogue now. You have a fairly good chunky gold component at OT. Do you see an opportunity there, or are the current discussions with the government around taxation an impediment around going ahead with any streaming agreement? That's the first one.

Speaker #5: Now, you have a fairly good, chunky gold component at OTT. Do you see an opportunity there, or are the current discussions with the government around taxation an impediment to going ahead with any streaming agreement?

Speaker #5: That's the first one .

Speaker #1: Yeah .

Peter Cunningham: Yeah. I mean, Alan, I suppose all of this comes down to the fact that, you know, we've got lots of options across our portfolio to release capital, and that's our focus. I mean, we've talked about the strategic reviews of borates and our RCIT. We're testing the market. We've got options around infrastructure. We do have options around streaming, but, you know, we're just gonna work through these systematically and say what's the best options that we can undertake. I mean, those options exist right across the portfolio, but it's all about value and what we can sensibly sort of prioritize to deliver.

Speaker #4: I mean , I suppose all of this comes down to the fact that , you know , we've got lots of options across our portfolio to release capital , and that's our focus .

Speaker #4: I mean , we've talked about the strategic reviews of Borates and we're testing the market . We've got options around infrastructure . We do have options around streaming .

Speaker #4: But you know, we're just going to work through these systematically and say, what's the best options that we can undertake. So, I mean, those options exist right across the portfolio.

Speaker #4: But it's all about value and what we can sensibly sort of prioritise to deliver

Speaker #5: Thank you. And the second question is on cost cutting. You've put out a slide there looking at the cost cutting opportunities beyond the $650 million program.

Alain Gabriel: Thank you. The second question is on cost cutting. You've put out a slide there looking at the cost-cutting opportunities beyond the 650 million-dollar program. The Pilbara seems to be at the heart of it. Can you help us frame a little bit the opportunity there to quantify how much can be taken out of the business in terms of costs?

Speaker #5: The Pilbara seems to be at the heart of it. Can you help us frame a little bit the opportunity there, in terms of how much can be taken out in terms of costs?

Jakob Stausholm: On the $650, that was a run rate that we announced at Capital Markets that we'd said we'd hit by the end of Q1. What we're saying today is that our 2026 cash delivery will be materially above the $650, which was a run rate, and so that sizes it for 2026. I think the main point here, and Pete talked about it, we've gone systematically, asset by asset, looking at full potential with clear plans then around delivery, and it will be a multi-year program. We've sized it for 2026, but clearly there's more to come in 2027 and 2028, and I should say it's across all businesses. Yes, iron ore, but it's across each of our businesses in the portfolio.

Speaker #3: On the 650? So that was a run rate that we announced at Capital Markets that we'd said we'd hit by the end of Q1.

Simon Trott: On the $650, that was a run rate that we announced at Capital Markets that we'd said we'd hit by the end of Q1. What we're saying today is that our 2026 cash delivery will be materially above the $650, which was a run rate, and so that sizes it for 2026. I think the main point here, and Pete talked about it, we've gone systematically, asset by asset, looking at full potential with clear plans then around delivery, and it will be a multi-year program. We've sized it for 2026, but clearly there's more to come in 2027 and 2028, and I should say it's across all businesses. Yes, iron ore, but it's across each of our businesses in the portfolio.

Speaker #3: So what we're saying today is that our 2026 cash delivery will be materially above the 650 , which was a which was a run rate .

Speaker #3: And so that sizes it for 2026 . think the main point here and Pete talked about it , we've gone systematically asset by asset , looking at full potential with clear plans .

Speaker #3: Then around delivery. And it will be a multi-year programme. And so we've sized it for 2026. But clearly there's more to come in '27.

Speaker #3: And 28. And I should say it's across all businesses. So yes, iron ore. But it's across each of our businesses in the portfolio.

Speaker #5: When should we expect an...

Alain Gabriel: When should we expect that?

Peter Cunningham: Just on the unit cost, I mean, remember, guidance is $23.50 to 25, but it is at a higher exchange rate. The exchange rate would take you up more to the midpoint of that. The business is making pretty sizable sort of improvements because, you know, as Matt went through at CMD, there's a lot of headwinds in the Pilbara still, but we're offsetting that through productivity.

Speaker #4: Update on the unit costs? I mean, remember guidance is $23.5 to $25, but it is at a higher exchange rate.

Speaker #4: So the exchange rate would take you up more to the midpoint of that. So the business is making sizable sort of improvements because, you know, as Matt went to a CMD, there's a lot of headwinds in the Pilbara still.

Speaker #4: But we're offsetting that through productivity .

Speaker #5: Thank you .

Alain Gabriel: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Okay . We'll go to some of the people on the line . If we could . Operator , would you mind to the first speaker the microphone Thank you .

Operator: Okay, we'll go to some of the people on the line if we could. Operator, would you mind to give the first speaker the microphone?

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Okay, we'll go to some of the people on the line if we could. Operator, would you mind to give the first speaker the microphone?

Operator: Thank you.

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Speaker #7: Thanks . And morning , Simon and Peter . Simon . Firstly , on on Glencore . I mean , well done for sticking to your guns and being disciplined and being focused on value .

Paul Young: Thanks, and good morning, Simon and Peter. Simon, firstly on Glencore, I mean, well done for sticking to your guns and being disciplined, and being focused on value. Look, I think a simple merger would have changed your strategy from one of simplification to complication, and it does appear that the true operating synergies were pretty limited. Was the main attraction the copper growth? When Mark and the project team reviewed that pipeline, were there major differences on the CapEx and the timing?

Speaker #7: Look , I think a simple merger would have changed your strategy from one of simplification to complication . And it does appear that the true operating synergies were , were pretty limited .

Speaker #7: So was the main attraction , the copper growth . And when when Mark and the project team reviewed that pipeline , were there major differences on the CapEx and the timing

Speaker #3: Thanks . Thanks , Bob It was obviously , as I said at the outset , it was for the full perimeter . And so they've got a diversified , diversified business .

Jakob Stausholm: Thanks, Paul. It was obviously as I said at the outset. It was for the full perimeter. They've got a diversified business, and so we looked across all assets, including, as you say, copper. We did go through forensically, and so, you know, I think there was really constructive engagements with the team. We obviously looked deeply at their pipeline, their existing assets, as they did with us, and it was that combination that we were really asking ourselves the question: Can we add incremental value through the combination? That took into account all aspects of their business and ours.

Simon Trott: Thanks, Paul. It was obviously as I said at the outset. It was for the full perimeter. They've got a diversified business, and so we looked across all assets, including, as you say, copper. We did go through forensically, and so, you know, I think there was really constructive engagements with the team. We obviously looked deeply at their pipeline, their existing assets, as they did with us, and it was that combination that we were really asking ourselves the question: Can we add incremental value through the combination? That took into account all aspects of their business and ours.

Speaker #3: And so we looked across all assets , including , as you say , copper . We did go through forensically . And so , you know , I think there was really constructive engagements with team .

Speaker #3: We obviously looked deeply at their pipeline . Their existing assets as they did with us . And it was that combination that we were really asking ourselves the question , can we add incremental , incremental value through the through the combination ?

Speaker #3: And that took into account all aspects of their business . And ours . You know , I guess if I step back and setting aside those discussions as we've outlined in the slides today , the nice thing about the result today is we're we're growing now , the ramp up at OT , you know , 8% copper equivalent growth .

Jakob Stausholm: You know, I guess if I step back and setting aside those discussions, as we've outlined in the slides today, the nice thing about the results today is we're growing now, the ramp-up at OT, you know, 8% copper equivalent growth. We have the project pipeline to really extend that beyond the 3% CAGR through the 2030, options to extend that into the 2030s. Clearly copper is a particular focus, both in terms of the projects we have, but also through our exploration and other activities. That's a singular focus for the team. We've got to convert what is a really good set of options into value-accretive projects.

Simon Trott: You know, I guess if I step back and setting aside those discussions, as we've outlined in the slides today, the nice thing about the results today is we're growing now, the ramp-up at OT, you know, 8% copper equivalent growth. We have the project pipeline to really extend that beyond the 3% CAGR through the 2030, options to extend that into the 2030s. Clearly copper is a particular focus, both in terms of the projects we have, but also through our exploration and other activities. That's a singular focus for the team. We've got to convert what is a really good set of options into value-accretive projects.

Speaker #3: And then we have the project pipeline to really extend that beyond the 3% CAGR through to 2030 options to extend that into the 2030s .

Speaker #3: And clearly , copper is a particular focus , both in terms of the projects we have , but also through our exploration and other and other activities .

Speaker #3: And so that's a singular focus for the team. But we've got to convert what is a really good set of options into value-accretive projects.

Speaker #7: Okay . Thanks , Simon . And then second question is on the Brazil aluminium deal with CBA and and Chinalco , not much mention of this I know the deal is was only recently announced , but can you just talk to the the high level rationale .

Paul Young: Okay, thanks, Simon. Second question is on the Brazil aluminum deal with CBA and Chinalco. Not much mention of this. I know the deal was only recently announced, but can you just talk to the high-level rationale? You know, can you expand the refinery and the smelter? What it means to your Atlantic, you know, strategy, you know, more broadly and, you know, obviously great for the Chinalco relationship? What does this mean for potential further deals going forward with Chinalco?

Speaker #7: You know , can you expand the refinery and the smelter . What it means for Atlantic , you know , strategy , you know , more broadly and you know , obviously great for the Chinalco relationship .

Speaker #7: What does this mean for potential further deals going forward with Chinalco

Speaker #3: Yeah , we've learned a tremendous amount through the Simandou project . Obviously , working with our partners in the in the consortium there .

Jakob Stausholm: Yeah. We've learned a tremendous amount through the Simandou project, obviously working with our partners in the consortium there. I guess taking that same mindset, we looked at that for the CBA transaction as well, an opportunity to involve ourselves in the Brazilian aluminum sector, an opportunity to add value and growth to our aluminum business. As well as the point you make, which is around securing our supply lines, and so obviously the potential for bauxite down the track. That was the, I guess, the strategic rationale, and as we got into it, we could see a clear value opportunity for our aluminum business and hence progressing that transaction.

Simon Trott: Yeah. We've learned a tremendous amount through the Simandou project, obviously working with our partners in the consortium there. I guess taking that same mindset, we looked at that for the CBA transaction as well, an opportunity to involve ourselves in the Brazilian aluminum sector, an opportunity to add value and growth to our aluminum business. As well as the point you make, which is around securing our supply lines, and so obviously the potential for bauxite down the track. That was the, I guess, the strategic rationale, and as we got into it, we could see a clear value opportunity for our aluminum business and hence progressing that transaction.

Speaker #3: And I guess, taking that same mindset, we looked at that for the CBA transaction as well. An opportunity to involve ourselves in the Brazilian aluminium sector, an opportunity to add value and growth to our aluminium business.

Speaker #3: And as well as the point you make , which is around securing our supply lines . And so obviously , the potential for bauxite down the down the track .

Speaker #3: And so that was the I guess the strategic rationale . And as we got into it , we could see clear value opportunity for our aluminium business and hence progressing that transaction .

Speaker #7: Okay . Thanks , Simon

Paul Young: Okay, thanks, Simon.

Speaker #2: Thank you . We'll take one more from the line please

Operator: Thank you. We'll take one more from the line, please.

Speaker #6: Thank you. Next question comes from Glen Lowcock of Barrenjoey. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Operator: Thank you. Next question comes from Glyn Lawcock of Barrenjoey. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #8: Hi , Simon , it's Glenn , just quickly just on Glencore again . You talk about there was a valuation gap . You know , just how did you measure the value ?

Glyn Lawcock: Hi, Simon. It's Glyn. Just quickly, just on Glencore again, you talk about there was a valuation gap, you know. Just how did you measure the value? I mean, like, what are you actually saying? What was, how did you measure the gap, and what metrics do you think the gap was, the gap emerged?

Speaker #8: I mean , like , what are you actually saying ? What was how did you measure the gap and what metrics do you think the gap was ?

Speaker #8: The gap emerged

Jakob Stausholm: Ultimately, Glyn, it's a focus on the underlying value. We worked our way through their full portfolio. We come to a view as to underlying value. Clearly then, there's also the synergies that you can add on to that and then what any transaction would look like. It's those data points that then go into a view about the potential transaction and whether it's gonna be accretive to Rio Tinto shareholders. As you would imagine, there's lots of data points that sit behind that, but that's the core principles that we looked at.

Speaker #3: So ultimately , Glenn , it's a focus on the underlying value . So we worked our way through their full portfolio . We come to a view as to underlying value .

Simon Trott: Ultimately, Glyn, it's a focus on the underlying value. We worked our way through their full portfolio. We come to a view as to underlying value. Clearly then, there's also the synergies that you can add on to that and then what any transaction would look like. It's those data points that then go into a view about the potential transaction and whether it's gonna be accretive to Rio Tinto shareholders. As you would imagine, there's lots of data points that sit behind that, but that's the core principles that we looked at.

Speaker #3: Clearly, then there's also the synergies that you can add on to that. And then what any transaction would look like. And so it's those data points that then go into a view about the potential transaction and whether it's going to be accretive to Rio Tinto shareholders.

Speaker #3: And as you would imagine, there are lots of data points that sit behind that. But those are the core principles that we looked at.

Speaker #8: So so when you say value , Simon , just to clarify , are you saying . So when you do like a discounted cash flow , you value each individual asset and you get a sharing of the two entities .

Glyn Lawcock: When you say value, Simon, just to clarify, are you saying when you do, like, a discounted cash flow, you value each individual asset, and you get a sharing of the two entities? You did that much of a deep dive, bottom-up, under the hood, and then basically realized that the equity relationship, you know, 60/40, 2/3 / 1/3, the gap was just way too large.

Speaker #8: That's you did that much of a deep dive bottom up under the hood . And then basically realized that the equity relationship , you know , 60 , 42/3 , one third , that's the gap was just way too large .

Speaker #3: Yeah . So that's the core tenet of the of the valuation . As you articulate , Glenn , you know , obviously , we look at all data points as well .

Jakob Stausholm: Yeah. That's the core tenet of the valuation, as you articulate, Glyn. Yeah, obviously we look at all data points as well, those in the market, what others' views are, and fold that into our thinking, but that's what underpins the valuation.

Simon Trott: Yeah. That's the core tenet of the valuation, as you articulate, Glyn. Yeah, obviously we look at all data points as well, those in the market, what others' views are, and fold that into our thinking, but that's what underpins the valuation.

Speaker #3: Those in the market are what others views are . And fold that into our thinking . But that's what underpins the valuation

Speaker #8: Okay. Thanks very much.

Glyn Lawcock: Okay, thanks very much.

Speaker #2: Thanks , Glenn Jason

Operator: Thanks, Glyn. Jason.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Thanks, Glyn. Jason.

Speaker #9: So Jason Fairclough , Bank of America , so Simon , just to take you back to iron ore , obviously still a major project product for you .

Operator: Jason Fairclough, Bank of America. Simon, just to take you back to iron ore, obviously still a major project, product for you. It's kind of a funny year because you've got the change in the benchmark. We've got BHP having a bit of a dispute with the Chinese, and we've got Simandou coming online, which has kind of been this thing that everyone's been talking about for a long time. How do you see the dynamic emerging from here? Are you changing your approach to selling the iron ore, to producing it even?

Jason Fairclough: Jason Fairclough, Bank of America. Simon, just to take you back to iron ore, obviously still a major project, product for you. It's kind of a funny year because you've got the change in the benchmark. We've got BHP having a bit of a dispute with the Chinese, and we've got Simandou coming online, which has kind of been this thing that everyone's been talking about for a long time. How do you see the dynamic emerging from here? Are you changing your approach to selling the iron ore, to producing it even?

Speaker #9: And it's kind of a funny year because you've got the change in the benchmark . We've got BHP having a bit of a dispute with the Chinese and we've got Simandou coming online , which has kind of been this thing that everyone's been talking about for a long time .

Speaker #9: So how do you see the dynamic emerging from here ? Are you changing your approach to selling the iron ore to to producing it , even

Jakob Stausholm: I think we're changing our approach to the way we think about portfolio, because Simandou, having been something that's coming, is something that's arrived. You know, as we did the work last year on product strategy, we obviously had a pretty clear view around what the future mix would look like in terms of our own portfolio. Having IOC, the Pilbara assets, and Simandou obviously gives us real options across high-grade, mid-grade, and low-grade. Thinking about how we best present those iron units to the market and also working with our customers around what their forward projection looks like. You know, the iron ore industry continues to mature, and so working with customers around what the best mix for that is as well.

Speaker #3: I think we're changing our approach, the way we think about portfolio, because Simandou, having been something that's coming, is something that's arrived.

Simon Trott: I think we're changing our approach to the way we think about portfolio, because Simandou, having been something that's coming, is something that's arrived. You know, as we did the work last year on product strategy, we obviously had a pretty clear view around what the future mix would look like in terms of our own portfolio. Having IOC, the Pilbara assets, and Simandou obviously gives us real options across high-grade, mid-grade, and low-grade. Thinking about how we best present those iron units to the market and also working with our customers around what their forward projection looks like. You know, the iron ore industry continues to mature, and so working with customers around what the best mix for that is as well.

Speaker #3: And so, you know, as we did the work last year on product strategy, we obviously had a pretty clear view around what the future mix would look like in terms of our own portfolio.

Speaker #3: Having IOC , the Pilbara assets and Simandou obviously gives us real options across high grade , mid grade and and low grade . And so thinking about how we best present those iron units to the market and also working with our customers around what their forward projection looks like .

Speaker #3: You know , the iron ore industry continues to to mature . And so working with customers around about what the best mix for that is as well , you know , as you and I have talked about before , we obviously got a long term business .

Jakob Stausholm: You know, as you and I have talked about before, James, we obviously got a long-term business, and so we've got to look beyond the sort of next few months or into what the future looks like as well for that business and make sure that we're really well positioned regardless of which way the future steel industry goes.

Simon Trott: You know, as you and I have talked about before, James, we obviously got a long-term business, and so we've got to look beyond the sort of next few months or into what the future looks like as well for that business and make sure that we're really well positioned regardless of which way the future steel industry goes.

Speaker #3: And so we've got to look beyond the sort of next few months or into what the future looks like as well for that business , and make sure that we're really well positioned , regardless of which which way is the future steel industry goes ?

Speaker #9: So just a bit of a long term follow up . India , how do you see the India's place in the market evolving over the next five , ten years ?

Operator: Just a bit of a long-term follow-up. India, how do you see the India's place in the market evolving over the next five, 10 years?

Jason Fairclough: Just a bit of a long-term follow-up. India, how do you see the India's place in the market evolving over the next five, 10 years?

Jakob Stausholm: I think growth rates are really high. You know, the central question in India is what portion of their iron ore demand is met domestically? We've been doing a heap of work on looking at that and understanding it. You know, I think inevitably, as we see those sort of growth rates, there will be periods of time when India is a really strong market for us. They do have relatively more domestic suppliers compared to, say, China through their growth phase. It'll be a different market for us, but there'll be some opportunities as well.

Speaker #3: I mean , growth rates are really high . You know , the central question in the is what portion of their iron ore demand is met domestically .

Simon Trott: I think growth rates are really high. You know, the central question in India is what portion of their iron ore demand is met domestically? We've been doing a heap of work on looking at that and understanding it. You know, I think inevitably, as we see those sort of growth rates, there will be periods of time when India is a really strong market for us. They do have relatively more domestic suppliers compared to, say, China through their growth phase. It'll be a different market for us, but there'll be some opportunities as well.

Speaker #3: And so we've been doing a heap of work on on looking at that and understanding it . You know , I think inevitably , as we see those sort of growth rates , there will be periods of time when India is a really strong market for us .

Speaker #3: They do have relatively more domestic suppliers compared to , say , China through their their growth phase . And so it will be a different market for us , but there'll be some opportunities as well .

Speaker #9: Okay .

Operator: Okay, thank you.

Jason Fairclough: Okay, thank you.

Speaker #1: Thank you

Speaker #2: In front everyone

Operator: In front, Ephrem.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): In front, Ephrem.

Speaker #10: Ephraim from Citigroup . Two questions . Firstly on Simandou , it seems to have a high rate of fatalities for the time period .

Ephrem Ravi: Ephrem Ravi from Citigroup. Two questions. Firstly, on Simandou, it seems to have a high rate of fatalities for the time period, and obviously, you haven't changed your guidance for this year. Looking forward, like, do you see risk to kind of hitting that 60 million tons and, you know, in a reasonable period of time, unless the safety culture improves quite dramatically? If not, would you consider, like, portfolio adjustments, i.e., potential disposals of Simandou to your partners?

Speaker #10: And obviously you haven't changed your guidance for this year . But looking forward , like , do you see a risk to kind of hitting that 60 million tonnes and you know , in a reasonable period of time , unless the safety culture improves quite dramatically ?

Speaker #10: If not, would you consider portfolio adjustments, i.e., potential disposals of Simandou to your partners?

Jakob Stausholm: The events of the weekend are obviously incredibly sobering and the impact on colleagues, family, and friends, and looking forward to being on the ground there with the team tomorrow. You know, as I said in my introduction, we've got to be able to safely operate and construct wherever in the world that is, and I think the team at Simandou has made enormous strides. The events of the weekend show we've got further to go, and so that's our real focus at the moment. You know, I think the work that they have done, we know we can get there. We've just got to put in place the blocks to make sure that we really can.

Speaker #3: So, the events of the weekend are obviously incredibly sobering, and the impact on colleagues, family, and friends—and looking forward to being on the ground there with the team tomorrow.

Simon Trott: The events of the weekend are obviously incredibly sobering and the impact on colleagues, family, and friends, and looking forward to being on the ground there with the team tomorrow. You know, as I said in my introduction, we've got to be able to safely operate and construct wherever in the world that is, and I think the team at Simandou has made enormous strides. The events of the weekend show we've got further to go, and so that's our real focus at the moment. You know, I think the work that they have done, we know we can get there. We've just got to put in place the blocks to make sure that we really can.

Speaker #3: You know, as I said in my introduction, we've got to be able to safely operate and construct wherever in the world that is.

Speaker #3: And I think the team at Simandou have made enormous strides, and the events of the weekend show we've got further to go.

Speaker #3: And so that's our real focus at the moment . And , you know , I think the work that they have done , we know we can get there .

Speaker #3: We've just got to put in place the blocks to make sure that we really can . You know , it is a different jurisdiction and a different environment .

Jakob Stausholm: You know, it is a different jurisdiction and a different environment, and we need to adjust our operating practices to that, but we're confident of the 60 million tons that was announced.

Simon Trott: You know, it is a different jurisdiction and a different environment, and we need to adjust our operating practices to that, but we're confident of the 60 million tons that was announced.

Speaker #3: And we need to adjust our operating practices to that. But we're confident of the 60 million tonnes that we've announced.

Speaker #10: And just a question on lithium , obviously prices have gone up . You know , 100% since the the site visit about two months ago .

Ephrem Ravi: Just a question on lithium. Obviously, prices have gone up, you know, 100% since the site visit about two months ago, and some of the peers, like, you know, Pilbara, is restarting, you know, operations, et cetera. Is there any change in thinking in terms of just doing your in-flight projects or, you know, something, you know, more than in-flight projects going to be approved within a reasonable timeframe?

Speaker #10: And some of the peers like Pilbara is restarting , you know , operations , etc. . So is there any change in thinking in terms of just doing your in-flight projects , or is something , you know more than in-flight projects going to be approved within a reasonable time frame ?

Jakob Stausholm: I'll probably borrow the answer I was giving Jason. I mean, we've got a long-term business, and so we look through at underlying fundamentals. You know, the lithium, just given the size of the industry and the rate of growth, we fully expect prices in lithium to be volatile, and we've certainly seen that over the last little while. But we've got to look through that at the long-term pricing because those assets, once we bring them into production, are gonna be in production for decades. It's not so much about next week, next month, it's about the years that follow. The nice thing, and I hope you saw, that for those that were on the site tour.

Speaker #3: I'll probably borrow the answer I was giving giving . Jason . I mean , we've got a long term business , and so we look through at a underlying fundamentals .

Simon Trott: I'll probably borrow the answer I was giving Jason. I mean, we've got a long-term business, and so we look through at underlying fundamentals. You know, the lithium, just given the size of the industry and the rate of growth, we fully expect prices in lithium to be volatile, and we've certainly seen that over the last little while. But we've got to look through that at the long-term pricing because those assets, once we bring them into production, are gonna be in production for decades. It's not so much about next week, next month, it's about the years that follow. The nice thing, and I hope you saw, that for those that were on the site tour.

Speaker #3: And , you know , the lithium , just given the size of the industry and the rate of growth , we fully expect prices in lithium to be volatile .

Speaker #3: And we've certainly we've certainly seen that over the last little while . But we've got to look through that at the long term pricing because those assets , once we bring them into production , are going to be in production for decades .

Speaker #3: And so it's not so much about next week , next month . It's about the years that that follow . The nice thing .

Speaker #3: And I hope you saw that for those that were on the on the , on the site tour , the nice thing about that business is it's got options .

Jakob Stausholm: The nice thing about that business is it's got options, and it's got really good options in that industry, and so there's a high bar for capital allocation. Our focus is the in-flight, but clearly there's other options in that portfolio as we look a bit longer term.

Simon Trott: The nice thing about that business is it's got options, and it's got really good options in that industry, and so there's a high bar for capital allocation. Our focus is the in-flight, but clearly there's other options in that portfolio as we look a bit longer term.

Speaker #3: It's got really good options in that industry, and so there's a high bar for capital allocation. Our focus is the in-flight.

Speaker #3: But clearly, there are other options in that portfolio. As we look a bit longer term.

Speaker #4: It was a well-timed site visit.

[Analyst]: It was a well-timed flight, isn't it?

Ephrem Ravi: It was a well-timed flight, isn't it?

Speaker #3: I know brilliant

Jakob Stausholm: I know. Brilliant.

Simon Trott: I know. Brilliant.

Speaker #2: Great . Look we will go back to the line for two more questions . Over to you . Operator , please .

Operator: Great. Look, we will go back to the line for two more questions. Over to you, operator, please.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Great. Look, we will go back to the line for two more questions. Over to you, operator, please.

Speaker #6: Thank you . Next question comes from Rahul Anand of Morgan Stanley . Please go ahead . Rahul , your line is open .

Operator: Thank you. Next question comes from Rahul Anand of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead, Rahul. Your line is open.

Speaker #11: Hey . Thank you . Thanks , Simon Peter and team . Good morning and thanks for the call . I've got two questions , both on iron ore .

Rahul Anand: Hey, thank you. Thanks, Simon, Peter, and team. Good morning, and thanks for the call. I've got two questions, both on iron ore. The first one is around, I guess your cost out targets, obviously, $650 million outlined at the group level, and then you've got a medium-term target in 2023 dollars for the iron ore business around that $20 a ton mark. My question's around sort of what the targets are for your competitors in the Pilbara, and I kind of think about BHP guiding below $17.50, and they seem to be strongly guiding towards being significantly lower, and then Fortescue, sub-$19. Now, I understand obviously your mine systems are quite different to theirs, but, you know, today in terms of the next phase, examples, you've talked about the Pilbara.

Speaker #11: The first one is around . I guess your cost out targets Obviously 650 million outlined at the group level . And then you've got a medium term target in $2,023 for the iron ore business around that $20 a tonne mark .

Speaker #11: My questions around sort of what the targets are for your competitors in the Pilbara . And I kind of think about BHP guiding below 1750 , and they seem to be strongly guiding towards being significantly lower .

Speaker #11: And then Fortescue Sub19 now I understand obviously your mind systems are quite different to to theirs , but you know , today in terms of the next phase examples , you've talked about the Pilbara .

Speaker #11: So I guess how can you better than $20 a tonne and what level of betterment do you think we can expect . And sort of where can you end up in terms of where you sit versus your competitors ?

Rahul Anand: I guess, how can you better that $20 a ton, and what level of betterment do you think we can expect, and sort of where can you end up in terms of where you sit versus your competitors? I'll come back in a second. Thank you.

Speaker #11: I'll come back to the second .

Speaker #3: And comment as well . Probably the first one I'd make is you've got to look at it on Apple's versus Apple's . And , you know , people can flip between full unit costs and C1 costs .

Jakob Stausholm: Pete, I'll get you a comment as well. Probably the first point I'd make is you've got to look at it on apples versus apples. You know, people can flip between full unit costs and C1 costs. But the number that you're referring to, for us anyway, is about full unit costs, and so got to compare the same. I think, you know, as you've seen today, we finished last year at $23.50. Our guidance for this year, $23.50 to 25 at a higher exchange rate, probably points to the work that Matt Holt and the team are doing to really drive efficiencies and effectiveness in the Pilbara.

Simon Trott: Pete, I'll get you a comment as well. Probably the first point I'd make is you've got to look at it on apples versus apples. You know, people can flip between full unit costs and C1 costs. But the number that you're referring to, for us anyway, is about full unit costs, and so got to compare the same. I think, you know, as you've seen today, we finished last year at $23.50. Our guidance for this year, $23.50 to 25 at a higher exchange rate, probably points to the work that Matt Holt and the team are doing to really drive efficiencies and effectiveness in the Pilbara.

Speaker #3: But the numbers that you're referring to, for us anyway, are about full unit costs. And so, you've got to compare the same.

Speaker #3: I think , you know , as you've seen today , we finished last year 2350 guidance for this year , 2350 to 25 at a higher exchange rate , probably points to the work that Matt Holtz and the team are doing to really drive efficiencies and effectiveness in the Pilbara .

Speaker #3: Obviously , different businesses , as you say , in terms of the particular phase of investment , they are and the material that we need to to move .

Jakob Stausholm: Obviously, different businesses, as you say, in terms of the particular phase of investment they are and the material that we need to move, but I think the numbers today probably point to a fair bit of the work that the team there is doing.

Simon Trott: Obviously, different businesses, as you say, in terms of the particular phase of investment they are and the material that we need to move, but I think the numbers today probably point to a fair bit of the work that the team there is doing.

Speaker #3: But I think the numbers today probably point to a fair bit of the work that the team there is doing.

Peter Cunningham: Russell, I mean, I think the key things are, you know, we've got all the replacement projects. We've always said they're critical to the performance of the system, so they're now being executed. That is absolutely critical to us. I think what you saw in the nine months of 2025, post, you know, Q2 to Q4, was just how the business could perform when it had the volume going through it. That is, I think, critical for the future. At the same time, I mean, it's the same for all of our businesses. You know, what we have done over the last six months is put together really clear actions to drive productivity and costs throughout our whole system. That is what's going to underpin then, real productivity improvement over the next few years.

Speaker #4: Russell . I mean , I think the key thing that , you know , we've got all the replacement projects , we've always said they're critical to the performance of the system .

Speaker #4: So they're now being executed . That is absolutely critical to us . And I think what you saw in the nine months of 2025 post , you know , Q2 to Q4 was just how the business could perform when it had the volume going through .

Speaker #4: It . And that that that is , I think , critical for the future . And at the same time , I mean , it's the same for all of our businesses .

Speaker #4: You know, what we have done over the last six months is put together really clear actions to drive productivity and costs throughout our whole system.

Speaker #4: And and that that is what's going to underpin then real productivity improvement over the next few years . And when we talk about , you know , working through the system and removing bottlenecks and really driving performance , it's going to be really , really driven very , very hard over the next few years to drive productivity .

Peter Cunningham: When we talk about, you know, working through the system and removing bottlenecks and really driving performance, it's gonna be really, really driven very, very hard over the next few years to drive productivity, at the same time as those new sort of replacement mines come in. That's at the heart of our, you know, where we will get to that $20 in 2023 terms going forward.

Speaker #4: At the same time as those new sort of replacement mines come in that that's at the heart of our , you know , where we will get to that , that $20 , 23 terms going forward ?

Speaker #11: No , absolutely . I mean , I acknowledge the business has already improved significantly in terms of , I guess , reliance and productivity , especially in the last quarter .

Rahul Anand: No, absolutely. I mean, I acknowledge the business has already improved significantly in terms of, I guess, resilience and productivity, especially the last quarter. Look, the second question is around the iron ore negotiations. Now, obviously, there's been a lot of press with BHP and, you know, the CMRG group. I just wanted to kind of take the conversation to perhaps a wider industry question. Would I be right to kind of deduce that these types of conversations are perhaps gonna happen not just with BHP, but I guess all iron ore suppliers into China as these contracts come up for renewal? If you've had any conversations so far, how have those conversations been?

Speaker #11: Look , the second questions around the iron ore negotiations . Now , obviously , there's been a lot of press with BHP . And , you know , the the CMG Group .

Speaker #11: I just wanted to kind of take the conversation to , to a perhaps a wider industry question . Would I be right to kind of deduce that these types of conversations are perhaps going to happen not just with BHP , but I guess all iron ore suppliers into China as , as these contracts come up for renewal .

Rahul Anand: Would I be right to kind of deduce that these types of conversations are perhaps gonna happen not just with BHP, but I guess all iron ore suppliers into China as these contracts come up for renewal? If you've had any conversations so far, how have those conversations been? I guess, you know, if you have some sort of a timeline or something in terms of which contracts are coming due for renegotiations, I guess, in the next year or two.

Speaker #11: And if you've had any conversations so far , how have those conversations been and I guess , you know , if you have some sort of a timeline or something in terms of which contracts are coming due for , for renegotiations , I guess in the next year or two .

Rahul Anand: I guess, you know, if you have some sort of a timeline or something in terms of which contracts are coming due for renegotiations, I guess, in the next year or two.

Jakob Stausholm: We have had conversations. We're having regular conversations with CMRG and, you know, all market participants across our business, whether that's in China or in some of our other markets. Those conversations are what I would describe as continual and ongoing. Look, if I was to characterize them, they're exactly the sort of conversations you'd expect between us and customers. They're obviously focused on their business, securing supply, prices as we are. It's coming together and really understanding each other's business and trying to create value together, and that's what we do with customers. That's what we're doing with CMRG. In that sense, you know, it's a continuation of where we've been. You know, the market continues to evolve.

Speaker #3: So we have had conversations we're having regular conversations with CMG and , you know , all market participants across our business , whether that's in China or in some of our other markets .

Simon Trott: We have had conversations. We're having regular conversations with CMRG and, you know, all market participants across our business, whether that's in China or in some of our other markets. Those conversations are what I would describe as continual and ongoing. Look, if I was to characterize them, they're exactly the sort of conversations you'd expect between us and customers. They're obviously focused on their business, securing supply, prices as we are. It's coming together and really understanding each other's business and trying to create value together, and that's what we do with customers. That's what we're doing with CMRG. In that sense, you know, it's a continuation of where we've been. You know, the market continues to evolve.

Speaker #3: And so those those conversations are what I would describe as continual and ongoing . Look , if I was to characterize them , they're exactly the sort of conversations you'd expect between us and customers , obviously focused on on their business securing supply , prices as we are .

Speaker #3: And so it's the coming together and really understanding each other's business and trying to create value together . And that's what we do with customers .

Speaker #3: That's what we're doing with with CMC , CMG . And so in that sense , you know , it's a continuation of of where we've been , you know , the market continues to to evolve .

Speaker #3: We've obviously been talking for some time about the maturing iron ore market in China. You know, you'll see more than a billion tons of steel in China this year.

Jakob Stausholm: We've obviously been talking for some time about the maturing iron ore market in China. You know, you'll see more than 1 billion tons of steel in China this year again. It remains a large and really solid market for us as we think about folding in Simandou into the mix. All those things are on continual discussions with CMRG.

Simon Trott: We've obviously been talking for some time about the maturing iron ore market in China. You know, you'll see more than 1 billion tons of steel in China this year again. It remains a large and really solid market for us as we think about folding in Simandou into the mix. All those things are on continual discussions with CMRG.

Speaker #3: Again, and so it remains a large and really solid market for us as we think about folding in Simandou into the mix.

Speaker #3: And so all those things are on continual discussions with CMG .

Speaker #11: Got it . Thank you very much . That's my two .

Rahul Anand: Got it. Thank you very much. That's my two.

Speaker #2: Thank you. We'll take the second question from the line, please.

Operator: Thank you. We'll take the second question from the line, please.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Thank you. We'll take the second question from the line, please.

Speaker #6: Thank you. Next question comes from Rob Stein of Macquarie. Please go ahead, your line is open.

[Analyst]: Thank you. Next question comes from Rob Stein of Macquarie. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Operator: Thank you. Next question comes from Rob Stein of Macquarie. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #12: Hi , Simon . Peter , just a couple of quick ones from me . The copper unit cost guidance provided . Can you give us an indication ?

Robert Stein: Hi, Simon and Peter. Just a couple of quick ones from me. The copper unit cost guidance you provided, can you give us the indication, is the by-product magnitude of the by-product credits there? I think the Street was expecting a lower number, but you might be providing a conservative estimate of by-product credits there. I'll follow up in a second.

Speaker #12: Of the byproduct ? Magnitude of the byproduct . Credits . There . I think the street was expecting a lower number , but you might be providing a conservative estimate of byproduct credits .

Speaker #12: There was a second .

Speaker #4: I mean , I think the gold volumes are kind of a bit higher in 26 and 25 . And Rob , we've used pretty much , I think , just a bit higher than the average price of 25 in those calculations

Peter Cunningham: I mean, I think the gold volumes are kind of a bit higher in 2026 and 2025. Rob, we've used pretty much, I think just a bit higher than the average price of 2025 in those calculations.

Speaker #12: Okay . Thank you . And then just speaking about copper and longer term growth , I mean , your money , your competitors came out the other day and provided quite a comprehensive list of growth projects organically that they're pursuing that takes their growth profile out , you know , across next decade .

Robert Stein: Okay. Thank you. Just speaking about copper and longer-term growth, I mean, one of your competitors came out the other day and provided quite a comprehensive list of growth projects organically that they're pursuing that takes their growth profile out, you know, across next decade, and it's quite transformative in terms of their own portfolio. How are you guys thinking about those longer-duration copper growth options that you may have in your portfolio, noting Resolution currently is still on the ground and not being mined, and I'm sure you would like to have a project there? Can you give us a bit of a flavor for how the copper JV is going as well with Codelco and how quickly that's progressing?

Speaker #12: And it's quite and it's quite transformative in terms of their own portfolio . How are you guys thinking about those longer duration copper growth options that you may have in your portfolio , noting resolution currently still in the ground and not being mined .

Robert Stein: How are you guys thinking about those longer-duration copper growth options that you may have in your portfolio, noting Resolution currently is still on the ground and not being mined, and I'm sure you would like to have a project there? Can you give us a bit of a flavor for how the copper JV is going as well with Codelco and how quickly that's progressing?

Speaker #12: And I'm and I'm sure you would like to have a have a project there , but can you give us a bit of a flavour for how the , the copper JV is going as well with Codelco and , and how quickly that's progressing ?

Speaker #3: Yeah . So and I talked to Rob the copper pipeline in my introduction today because we do have some really good options . But we need to translate options into into value accretive projects .

Jakob Stausholm: Sure. I talked to Rob, the copper pipeline in my introduction today, because we do have some really good options, but we need to translate options into value accretive projects. You know, I'll visit Nueva Cobre in Chile in the next month or two, and our projects in the US. You know, I guess the nice thing about today's results is we're growing today, and then we've got the 3% copper equivalent growth through to 2030. That's why we've tended to focus on the here and now, because our growth is through this period. We have the options then to extend that growth out into the 2030s.

Simon Trott: Sure. I talked to Rob, the copper pipeline in my introduction today, because we do have some really good options, but we need to translate options into value accretive projects. You know, I'll visit Nueva Cobre in Chile in the next month or two, and our projects in the US. You know, I guess the nice thing about today's results is we're growing today, and then we've got the 3% copper equivalent growth through to 2030. That's why we've tended to focus on the here and now, because our growth is through this period. We have the options then to extend that growth out into the 2030s.

Speaker #3: I'll visit Nuevo Cobray in Chile and the next month or two and our projects in the in the US , you know , I guess the nice thing about today's results is we're growing today , and then we've got the 3% copper growth through to 2030 .

Speaker #3: And so that's why we've tended to focus on the here and now , because our growth is is , is is through this period .

Speaker #3: And we have the options then to extend that growth out into the 2030s . And so we'll come to market an update as those projects as those projects commence progress in terms of Chile , as I said , I'll be there .

Jakob Stausholm: We'll come to market and update as those projects commence, progress. In terms of Chile, as I said, I'll be there, I'll be there shortly. The relationship with Codelco is really good. Looking forward to seeing them next week. You know, Chile, Argentina, South America in general, remains a real focus for our copper efforts. You know, I do think, as I talked about capital markets, partnering is a real superpower for Rio Tinto, and we certainly look forward to progressing those JVs with Codelco and with our other partners in that region.

Simon Trott: We'll come to market and update as those projects commence, progress. In terms of Chile, as I said, I'll be there, I'll be there shortly. The relationship with Codelco is really good. Looking forward to seeing them next week. You know, Chile, Argentina, South America in general, remains a real focus for our copper efforts. You know, I do think, as I talked about capital markets, partnering is a real superpower for Rio Tinto, and we certainly look forward to progressing those JVs with Codelco and with our other partners in that region.

Speaker #3: I'll be there shortly . Relationship with Codelco is really good . Looking forward to to seeing them next week . And so , you know , Chile , Argentina , South America in general remains a real focus for us .

Speaker #3: Our for our copper efforts . You know , I do think as I talked about a couple of markets , partnering is a real superpower for Rio Tinto .

Speaker #3: And we certainly look forward to progressing those JVs with with Codelco and with our other partners in that region .

Speaker #4: So , Rob ,

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Speaker #12: Is there .

Alan Spence: Is there anything?

Robert Stein: Is there anything?

Speaker #4: Anything from now, which is what we've got in our numbers today? I mean, you know, the next few years is really good.

Peter Cunningham: Copper growth now, which is what we've got in our numbers today. I mean, you know, the next few years is really good.

Speaker #12: And is there anything, through the D-Day with Glencore, that identified potential opportunities to JV at a project level there?

Alan Spence: Is there anything through DD with Glencore that identified potentially opportunities for JV at a project level there?

Robert Stein: Is there anything through DD with Glencore that identified potentially opportunities for JV at a project level there?

Jakob Stausholm: Well, if I pull it back to an industry level, as I say, partnering has delivered enormous value to this organization over time in almost all, you know, in all of the commodities in the portfolio. That's an area we are really focused on. Certainly exploration is one way, partnering with others where we bring something to the table, project execution capabilities, operating capabilities, technical know-how, and partners bring something to the table as well. I would just make that general comment, whether that's with Glencore or with others.

Speaker #3: Well, I'd probably set aside the 'I' if I pull it back to an industry level. As I say, partnering has delivered enormous value to this organization over time.

Simon Trott: Well, if I pull it back to an industry level, as I say, partnering has delivered enormous value to this organization over time in almost all, you know, in all of the commodities in the portfolio. That's an area we are really focused on. Certainly exploration is one way, partnering with others where we bring something to the table, project execution capabilities, operating capabilities, technical know-how, and partners bring something to the table as well. I would just make that general comment, whether that's with Glencore or with others.

Speaker #3: In almost all in all of the commodities in the portfolio . And so that's an area we are really focused on . Certainly exploration is one way partnering with others where we bring something to the table .

Speaker #3: Project execution capabilities , operating capabilities , technical know how and and partners bring something to the table as well . And I would just make that general comment , whether that's with Glencore or with others .

Speaker #12: Great. Thank you very much.

Alan Spence: Thank you very much.

Robert Stein: Thank you very much.

Speaker #2: Chris .

[Analyst]: Chris?

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Chris?

Speaker #13: Good morning. Thanks. It's Chris Lafemina from Jefferies. I just want to ask about the geopolitical risk profile, and how that's changing at Rio.

Chris LaFemina: Good morning, thanks. It's Chris LaFemina from Jefferies. I just want to ask about geopolitical risk profile and how that's changing at Rio. Your growth is in Mongolia, in Guinea. You considered doing a deal with Glencore, who's in the DRC and Kazakhstan, and Glencore's marketing businesses in many regions in the world where you guys don't operate. Rio has spent the last five years restoring a culture and, you know, the culture historically has been in relatively low-risk regions. How do you think about geopolitical risk in terms of... I'm not only thinking about the Glencore deal, but even going forward, would you consider buying into assets in very high-risk regions where historically you might not have gone? Like, would you look at a pure play DRC copper miner, for example?

Speaker #13: So your growth is in Mongolia and Guinea . You considered doing a deal with Glencore , in the DRC and Kazakhstan , and Glencore is marketing businesses in many regions in the world where you guys don't operate .

Speaker #13: Rio spent the last five years restoring a culture. And you know, which, and the culture historically has been in, in relatively low risk regions.

Speaker #13: How do you so how do you think about geopolitical risk in terms of so not only thinking about the Glencore deal , but even going forward , would you consider buying into assets in very high risk regions where historically you might not have gone like , would you look at a pure play DRC copper miner , for example ?

Speaker #13: And what would give you comfort in going into regions where you've never been before ? For example , Kazakhstan ? I mean , how do you think about that ?

Chris LaFemina: What would give you comfort in going into regions where you've never been before, for example, Kazakhstan? I mean, how do you think about that? When you're valuing Glencore in that situation, how do you, is it a much higher discount rate that you're using? How do you get comfort around assets in those types of regions? Thank you.

Speaker #13: So when you're valuing Glencore in that situation , how do you is it a much higher discount rate that you're using ? How do you get comfort around assets in those types of regions ?

Speaker #13: Thank you .

Jakob Stausholm: Look, it's an excellent question, and it's one that we spend a lot of time grappling with and thinking about, and I'm not sure there's a perfect answer. You're right in the sense that ultimately it's got to come back to value, and so, you know, a higher discount rate, the way you think about the opportunity could clearly, in more challenging projects, whether they're more challenging because of the jurisdiction or more challenging because of technical aspects. You know, the size of the prize has to be there to really step in and take on some of those challenges. We have a number of different tool sets, discount rates is one, putting a higher bar in terms of the returns that we expect.

Speaker #3: Look , it's an excellent question and it's one that we spend a lot of time grappling with . And thinking about . And I'm not sure there's a perfect answer .

Simon Trott: Look, it's an excellent question, and it's one that we spend a lot of time grappling with and thinking about, and I'm not sure there's a perfect answer. You're right in the sense that ultimately it's got to come back to value, and so, you know, a higher discount rate, the way you think about the opportunity could clearly, in more challenging projects, whether they're more challenging because of the jurisdiction or more challenging because of technical aspects. You know, the size of the prize has to be there to really step in and take on some of those challenges. We have a number of different tool sets, discount rates is one, putting a higher bar in terms of the returns that we expect.

Speaker #3: You're right in the sense that ultimately it's going to come back to value. And so, you know, a higher discount rate...

Speaker #3: The way you think about the opportunity , clearly , in more challenging projects , whether they're more challenging because of the jurisdiction or more challenging because of technical aspects , you know , the size of the prize has to be there to really step in and take on some of those .

Speaker #3: Some of those challenges . And so we have a number of different tool sets , discount rates as one , putting a higher bar in terms of the returns that we expect .

Speaker #3: Thinking deeply about how you could mitigate and share some of that risk might be might be another one , but ultimately it's a bit hard in the hypothetical because it comes back to the opportunity and what we think about that specific opportunity , whether we'd take on some of those , some of those risks .

Jakob Stausholm: Thinking deeply about how you could mitigate and share some of that risk might be another one. Ultimately, it's a bit hard in the hypothetical because it comes back to the opportunity and what we think about that specific opportunity, whether we'd take on some of those risks. It's certainly one we spend a lot of time thinking about historically, and probably for the reasons you articulate, more time now, given some of the changes in the world.

Simon Trott: Thinking deeply about how you could mitigate and share some of that risk might be another one. Ultimately, it's a bit hard in the hypothetical because it comes back to the opportunity and what we think about that specific opportunity, whether we'd take on some of those risks. It's certainly one we spend a lot of time thinking about historically, and probably for the reasons you articulate, more time now, given some of the changes in the world.

Speaker #3: But it's certainly one we spend a lot of time thinking about historically . And probably for the reasons you articulate time now , given some of the changes in the world

Speaker #1: Thank you .

Chris LaFemina: Thank you.

[Analyst]: Um-

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Um-

Speaker #3: So the other point I would make, just to tag on the back of that, I think in the numbers today you can see the real value of the diversified model, and it goes a little bit to your question as well.

Jakob Stausholm: The other point I would make, just to tag on the back of that, I think in the numbers today, you can see the real value of the diversified model, and it goes a little bit to your question as well. Whilst iron ore prices were down, EBITDA has gone up because of greater contribution from copper as we ramp up, and obviously a strong contribution from aluminum as well. As we think about risk, as we think about some of the geopolitical tensions, clearly, having that diversified model also helps you mitigate and manage some of that between jurisdictions.

Simon Trott: The other point I would make, just to tag on the back of that, I think in the numbers today, you can see the real value of the diversified model, and it goes a little bit to your question as well. Whilst iron ore prices were down, EBITDA has gone up because of greater contribution from copper as we ramp up, and obviously a strong contribution from aluminum as well. As we think about risk, as we think about some of the geopolitical tensions, clearly, having that diversified model also helps you mitigate and manage some of that between jurisdictions.

Speaker #3: Whilst iron ore prices were down, EBITDA has gone up because of greater contribution from copper as we ramp up. And obviously, a strong contribution from aluminium as well.

Speaker #3: And so as we think about risk , as we think about some of the geopolitical tensions , clearly having that diversified model is , is also helps you mitigate and manage some of that between jurisdictions

Alan Spence: Good morning, thanks. Alan Spence from BNP Paribas. On the dividend, 10 years, paying out top end of the range, looking forward, costs coming out of the business, CapEx is starting to come down. There's no big M&A for now. Is it still the appropriate range, or how do you think about recalibrating it potentially higher?

Speaker #14: Good morning. Thanks. Alan Spence from BNP Paribas. On the dividend, ten years paying out at the top end of the range. Looking forward, costs coming out of the business, CapEx is starting to come down.

Speaker #14: There's no big M&A for now . Is it still the appropriate range or how do you think about recalibrating it potentially higher

Speaker #4: Alan , I think you know , very comfortable with the policy . We've got . We've always said in our capital allocation framework of the priorities , we'll have investing in the existing business , the , the , the sort of ordinary shareholder returns policy and then looking at growth , the balance sheet and returns , if we have excess capital , we will look to sort of return more to shareholders .

Peter Cunningham: Alan, I think, you know, very comfortable with the policy we've got. We've always said in our, you know, capital allocation framework of the priorities we'll have, investing in the existing business, the sort of ordinary shareholder returns policy, and then looking at growth, the balance sheet, and returns. If we have excess capital, we will look to sort of return more to shareholders. That framework is still absolutely applicable as to how we think about that right now.

Speaker #4: That framework is still absolutely applicable as to how we think about that right now.

Speaker #14: If I can push back a little bit , what's the point of having a low end of the range of 40% if over the last ten years , not every year has been an easy year , but you've never paid 40% ?

Alan Spence: If we can push back a little bit, what's the point of having the low end of the range of 40% if over the last 10 years, not every year has been an easy year, but you've never paid 40%?

Speaker #14: Well .

Peter Cunningham: Well, I mean, I think I'd sort of push back as well and say that the business has kind of performed at a level to have the 60% payout range. I mean, that's what we've had. I think that's sort of just reflective of the cash flows, quality of assets, and the reality is now we're growing the business. That pie will grow, and so the absolute number, in line with the growth of the earnings, will increase as well. I think that's a pretty good place to be. It's growth and it's returns.

Speaker #4: I mean , I think I'd sort of push back as well and say that the business has kind of performed at a level to , to to have the 60% payout range .

Speaker #4: I mean , that's what we've had . I think that's sort of just reflective of the cash flows , quality of assets and the reality is now we're growing the business .

Speaker #4: That pie will grow. And so the absolute number, in line with the growth of the earnings, will increase as well.

Speaker #4: I think that's a pretty good place to be . It's growth and its returns .

Speaker #14: So a minimum 60% .

Matt Greene: A minimum of 60%?

Alan Spence: A minimum of 60%?

Speaker #4: All I'd say is our policy

Peter Cunningham: All I'd say is our policy.

Speaker #14: All right . Thank you

Matt Greene: All right, thank you.

Alan Spence: All right, thank you.

Speaker #2: Okay . But one more on the line please

Unknown: Okay, we've got one more on the line, please.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Okay, we've got one more on the line, please.

Speaker #6: Thank you. Next question comes from Ian Russo of Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Operator: Thank you. Next question comes from Ian Rossouw of Barclays. Please go ahead, Ian, your line is open.

Speaker #15: Hi . Good morning . Just a follow up on the Glencore sort of discussions yesterday at the Glencore presentation . Gary talked about sort of meaningful potential synergies on sort of overhead procurement , cost savings , mine optimisation on the marketing side .

Ian Rossouw: Hi, good morning. Just to follow up on the Glencore sort of discussions. Yesterday at the Glencore presentation, Gary talked about sort of meaningful potential synergies on sort of overhead, procurement, cost savings, mine optimization, on the marketing side. I guess he was referring to the point that not a lot of the synergies would have come from sort of operational synergies with mines next to each other, as we've seen with some of the other mergers in the industry. I mean, that all suggests that the synergies potential between Rio and Glencore could have been much bigger than what the market was estimating. Just wanted to hear your views on that. Thanks.

Speaker #15: And I guess he was referring to the point that not a lot of the synergies would have come from sort of operational synergies with mining next to each other , as we've seen with some of the other mergers in the industry .

Speaker #15: I mean , that all suggests that the synergy , synergies , potential between Rio and Glencore could could have been much bigger than what the market was estimating .

Speaker #15: Just wanted to hear your views on that . Thanks .

Jakob Stausholm: Where synergies are, and I'll probably go back to what I said. I think the discussions with Gary and the team were constructive and the teams work well together, looking at and really thinking about what those synergies could be. It's one data point that folds into the valuation, and there's many others. There was synergies. It's only one data point, though as well. You know, the other point I would say is, you've got to look at it rigorously compared to the base case, which is what we laid out at Capital Markets Day and what you can do yourself.

Speaker #3: So we're synergies and I'll probably go back to what I said . I think the discussions were with Gary and the team were constructive and the teams work well together .

Simon Trott: Where synergies are, and I'll probably go back to what I said. I think the discussions with Gary and the team were constructive and the teams work well together, looking at and really thinking about what those synergies could be. It's one data point that folds into the valuation, and there's many others. There was synergies. It's only one data point, though as well. You know, the other point I would say is, you've got to look at it rigorously compared to the base case, which is what we laid out at Capital Markets Day and what you can do yourself.

Speaker #3: Looking at and really thinking about what those synergies could be. But it's one data point that folds into the valuation, and there are many others.

Speaker #3: And so there was synergies . It's only one data point , though as well . And you know , the other point I would say is you've got to look at it rigorously compared to the base case , which is what we laid out at Capital Markets Day and what you can do and what you can do yourself .

Speaker #3: And so, it's got to be a really robust methodology of truly valuing that you can only derive from the combination, rather than the value.

Jakob Stausholm: It's got to be a really robust methodology of truly value that you can only derive from the combination rather than the value you can chase through other means.

Simon Trott: It's got to be a really robust methodology of truly value that you can only derive from the combination rather than the value you can chase through other means.

Speaker #3: You can chase through other means.

Speaker #15: Thanks . And then maybe a follow up in sort of on the back of Myles was asking about sort of learnings from this process .

Ian Rossouw: Thanks. Maybe a follow-up and sort of on the back of Myles was asking about, sort of, learnings from this process. I mean, would you approach the marketing side slightly differently within the Pilbara or other parts of the business?

Speaker #15: I mean , would you approach the marketing side slightly differently within the Pilbara or other parts of the business

Jakob Stausholm: Again, if I lift it up to a more general industry statement, the... You know, I think that marketing front end is something that we are spending quite a bit of time thinking about. We obviously established commercial a few years ago. A little bit to the question that was made before in terms of geopolitical tensions and volatility in the world, I think around our physical flows, there are ways we can generate greater value around those flows, and certainly that's top of mind for Bold and the commercial team.

Speaker #3: Again , if I lift it up to a more general industry statement , the , you know , I think that marketing front end is something that we are spending quite a bit of time thinking about .

Simon Trott: Again, if I lift it up to a more general industry statement, the... You know, I think that marketing front end is something that we are spending quite a bit of time thinking about. We obviously established commercial a few years ago. A little bit to the question that was made before in terms of geopolitical tensions and volatility in the world, I think around our physical flows, there are ways we can generate greater value around those flows, and certainly that's top of mind for Bold and the commercial team.

Speaker #3: We obviously established commercial a few years ago, a little bit to the question that was made before in terms of geopolitical tensions and volatility in the world.

Speaker #3: I think around our physical flows, there are ways we can generate greater value around those flows. And certainly that's top of mind for Bold in the commercial team, okay.

Ian Rossouw: Okay, all right. Thank you.

Speaker #15: All right . Thank you

Unknown: Okay, I think we have time for one more for Liam.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Okay, I think we have time for one more for Liam.

Speaker #2: I think we have time for one or so Liam

Speaker #14: Good morning .

Peter Cunningham: Good morning, Liam Fitzpatrick from Deutsche Bank. I'll just ask one. On Chinalco, there was talk last year from you and your predecessor about discussions over the stake in Rio PLC. Has that gone anywhere? Are discussions live? Any color you can give?

Liam Fitzpatrick: Good morning, Liam Fitzpatrick from Deutsche Bank. I'll just ask one. On Chinalco, there was talk last year from you and your predecessor about discussions over the stake in Rio PLC. Has that gone anywhere? Are discussions live? Any color you can give?

Speaker #9: Liam Fitzpatrick .

Speaker #14: From Deutsche Bank . I'll just ask one on Chinalco . There was talk last year from you and your predecessor about discussions over the stake in Rio plc .

Speaker #14: Has that gone anywhere ? Or discussions ? With any color you can give ?

Speaker #3: Continue . Engage with Chinalco . Nothing to announce today . Obviously , but relationships in a good in a good place . Obviously the CBA deal is with with Chinalco as well .

Jakob Stausholm: Continuing engaged with Chinalco. Nothing to announce today, obviously. The relationship's in a good place. Obviously, the CBA deal is with Chinalco as well, and so we're continuing to engage.

Simon Trott: Continuing engaged with Chinalco. Nothing to announce today, obviously. The relationship's in a good place. Obviously, the CBA deal is with Chinalco as well, and so we're continuing to engage.

Speaker #3: And so, we're continuing to engage.

Speaker #2: Okay .

Unknown: Okay, just behind.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Okay, just behind.

Speaker #1: Just behind

Speaker #14: Hey good morning . It's Matt Green at Goldman Sachs . If I could just come back to Glencore . We talk a lot about valuation today .

Matt Greene: Hey, good morning. It's Matt Greene at Goldman Sachs. If I could just come back to Glencore, we talk a lot about valuation today, and you know, you touched on discount rate, risk profile. What about where you could see value tomorrow and where, more importantly, where the market will value it, your company tomorrow? In terms of a potential re-rate, either being a combined entity, being a leader in all these, you know, commodities, or a potential future simplification or demerger, how much weighting was put on in terms of your view on valuation? How much emphasis did you put on that?

Speaker #14: And you know, you touch on discount rates, risk profile. What about where you could see value tomorrow, and more importantly, where the market will value your company tomorrow?

Speaker #14: So in terms of a potential rerate either being a combined entity , being a leader in all these commodities or a potential future simplification or demerge Co how much weighting was put on in terms of your view on valuation , how much , how much emphasis did you put on that ?

Jakob Stausholm: You know, valuation, by its very definition, is forward-looking, and so it completely flowed into our view of value. But you know, strategic rationales don't pay the grocery bills. It's got to come back to cash accretion for Rio shareholders, and that's how ends we talk.

Speaker #3: So , you know , valuation by its very definition is is forward looking . And so it completely flowed into our view of of value .

Simon Trott: You know, valuation, by its very definition, is forward-looking, and so it completely flowed into our view of value. But you know, strategic rationales don't pay the grocery bills. It's got to come back to cash accretion for Rio shareholders, and that's how ends we talk.

Speaker #3: But you know , strategic rationales don't pay the grocery bills . It's got to come back to , to cash accretion for Rio shareholders .

Speaker #3: And that's the lens we took

Speaker #2: Okay . Any last question ? We're good . Ben .

Unknown: Okay, any last question? We're good. Ben?

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Okay, any last question? We're good. Ben?

Speaker #1: Sure . Yep Okay .

Ben Davis: Sure.

Unknown: Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Speaker #3: We can deal with it now.

Peter Cunningham: We can deal with it now.

Speaker #1: Yeah . Now Ben Davis

Matt Greene: Now it's more like Ben Davis. Ben Davis, LBC. Just a question on the mineral sands. Obviously, you've got these asset sales that you're looking at, and you're not forced sellers. I'm just wondering if there's anything sort of, you know, clearly, the cycle's not great in mineral sands. Just curious what sort of minimum valuation you'd be looking for these type of assets and how, you know, surely wouldn't be a better time to wait for another three years for it to-

Ben Davis: Now it's more like Ben Davis. Ben Davis, LBC. Just a question on the mineral sands. Obviously, you've got these asset sales that you're looking at, and you're not forced sellers. I'm just wondering if there's anything sort of, you know, clearly, the cycle's not great in mineral sands. Just curious what sort of minimum valuation you'd be looking for these type of assets and how, you know, surely wouldn't be a better time to wait for another three years for it to-

Speaker #16: Ben Davis , RBC . Just a question on the mineral sands . Obviously , you've got these asset sales that you're looking at and you're not forced sellers .

Speaker #16: I'm just wondering if there's anything sort of , you know , clearly the cycle is not great in mineral sands . Are just curious what sort of minimum valuation that you'd be looking for .

Speaker #16: These types of assets and how, you know, surely wouldn't it be better to wait for another three years for it to turn.

Jakob Stausholm: We're gonna do it patiently. As I've said earlier, we are a long-term business, and similarly, I think the people that are interested in that or the bauxite business is gonna look through the market as it stands. We're gonna be patient. As you say, we're not under any pressure, and so if we don't get the sort of value that we see in the business, we won't progress them. Anything to add, Mike?

Speaker #3: Are you going to it patiently as I said earlier , we got a long term business and similarly I think the people that are interested in in that or the borates business is going to look through the market as , as it stands , but we're going to be patient , as you say , we're not under under any pressure .

Simon Trott: We're gonna do it patiently. As I've said earlier, we are a long-term business, and similarly, I think the people that are interested in that or the bauxite business is gonna look through the market as it stands. We're gonna be patient. As you say, we're not under any pressure, and so if we don't get the sort of value that we see in the business, we won't progress them. Anything to add, Mike?

Speaker #3: And so if we don't get the sort of value that we see in the business , we won't , we won't progress them .

Speaker #3: But anything to add, mate?

Speaker #4: No, I think that's exactly right.

Peter Cunningham: No, I think that's exactly right.

Speaker #16: And then just quickly on Yadah , how much are we looking at care maintenance costs ? And again , what's the longer term plan for that for that asset , which is sitting there .

Matt Greene: Just quickly on Jadar, how much are we looking at care and maintenance costs? Again, what's the longer-term plan for that asset, which is sitting there?

Ben Davis: Just quickly on Jadar, how much are we looking at care and maintenance costs? Again, what's the longer-term plan for that asset, which is sitting there?

Speaker #3: So we're currently moving that as we announce low single digits . I would say in terms of spend .

Jakob Stausholm: We're currently moving that, as we announced, low single digits, I would say, in terms of spend.

Simon Trott: We're currently moving that, as we announced, low single digits, I would say, in terms of spend.

Speaker #1: Okay .

Speaker #2: Okay . Many many thanks for joining us today . For those online , we will conclude our time now . And for those here in London , I welcome you to join us for a light refreshment before for the analysts here .

Unknown: Okay. Many, many thanks for joining us today. For those online, we will conclude our time now, and for those here in London, I welcome you to join us for a light refreshment before, for the analysts here, we move into an analyst roundtable. Thank you again, and with that, I conclude today's presentation. Thank you.

[Company Representative] (Rio Tinto): Okay. Many, many thanks for joining us today. For those online, we will conclude our time now, and for those here in London, I welcome you to join us for a light refreshment before, for the analysts here, we move into an analyst roundtable. Thank you again, and with that, I conclude today's presentation. Thank you.

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