Q4 2025 MSC Income Fund Inc Preliminary Earnings Call
Operator: Greetings, and welcome to the MSC Income Fund Q4 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow a formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Zach Vaughn. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: If anyone should require operator assistance, please press *0 on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Zach Vaughan.
Speaker #2: Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for MSC Income Fund's fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Joining me with prepared comments are Dwayne Hyzak, Chief Executive Officer; David Magdol, President and Chief Investment Officer; Nick Meserve, Managing Director and Head of the Private Credit Investment Group; and Cory Gilbert, Chief Financial Officer.
Zach Vaughn: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for MSC Income Fund's Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me with prepared comments are Dwayne Hyzak, Chief Executive Officer, David Magdol, President and Chief Investment Officer, Nick Meserve, Managing Director and Head of the Private Credit Investment Group, and Cory Gilbert, Chief Financial Officer. MSC Income Fund issued a press release yesterday afternoon that details the fund's Q4 and full-year financial and operating results. This document is available on the investor relations section of the fund's website at mscincomefund.com. A replay of today's call will be available beginning an hour after the completion of the call and will remain available until 6 March. Information on how to access the replay was included in yesterday's earnings release.
Zach Vaughn: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for MSC Income Fund's Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me with prepared comments are Dwayne Hyzak, Chief Executive Officer, David Magdol, President and Chief Investment Officer, Nick Meserve, Managing Director and Head of the Private Credit Investment Group, and Cory Gilbert, Chief Financial Officer. MSC Income Fund issued a press release yesterday afternoon that details the fund's Q4 and full-year financial and operating results. This document is available on the investor relations section of the fund's website at mscincomefund.com. A replay of today's call will be available beginning an hour after the completion of the call and will remain available until 6 March. Information on how to access the replay was included in yesterday's earnings release.
Speaker #3: MSC Income Fund issued a press release yesterday afternoon that details the fund's fourth quarter and full-year financial and operating results. This document is available on the Investor Relations section of the fund's website at mscincomefund.com.
Speaker #3: A replay of today's call will be available beginning an hour after the completion of the call and will remain available until March 6th. Information on how to access the replay was included in yesterday's earnings release.
Speaker #3: We also advise you that this conference call is being broadcast live to the internet and can be accessed on the fund's homepage. Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, February 27, 2026, and therefore you are advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay listening or transcript reading.
Zach Vaughn: We also advise you that this conference call is being broadcast live to the Internet and can be accessed on the funds homepage. Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, 27 February 2026. Therefore, you are advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay, listening, or transcript reading. Today's call may contain forward-looking statements. Many of these forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as anticipates, believes, expects, intends, will, should, may, or similar expressions. These statements are based on management's estimates, assumptions, and projections as of the date of this call. There are no guarantees of future performance.
Zach Vaughn: We also advise you that this conference call is being broadcast live to the Internet and can be accessed on the funds homepage. Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, 27 February 2026. Therefore, you are advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay, listening, or transcript reading. Today's call may contain forward-looking statements. Many of these forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as anticipates, believes, expects, intends, will, should, may, or similar expressions. These statements are based on management's estimates, assumptions, and projections as of the date of this call. There are no guarantees of future performance.
Speaker #3: Today's call may contain forward-looking statements. Many of these forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as 'anticipates,' 'believes,' 'expects,' 'intends,' 'will,' 'should,' 'may,' or similar expressions.
Speaker #3: These statements are based on management's estimates, assumptions, and projections as of the date of this call, and there are no guarantees of future performance.
Speaker #3: Actual results may differ materially from the results expressed or implied in these statements as a result of risks, uncertainties, and other factors, including, but not limited to, the factors set forth in the Fund's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found on the Fund's website or at sec.gov.
Zach Vaughn: Actual results may differ materially from the results expressed or implied in these statements as a result of risks, uncertainties, and other factors, including, but not limited to, the factors set forth in the fund's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found on the fund's website or at sec.gov. MSC Income Fund assumes no obligation to update any of these statements unless required by law. During today's call, management will discuss non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted net investment income, or ANII. ANII is net investment income, or NII, as determined in accordance with US generally accepted accounting principles, or GAAP, excluding the impact of the capital gains incentive fee.
Zach Vaughn: Actual results may differ materially from the results expressed or implied in these statements as a result of risks, uncertainties, and other factors, including, but not limited to, the factors set forth in the fund's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found on the fund's website or at sec.gov. MSC Income Fund assumes no obligation to update any of these statements unless required by law. During today's call, management will discuss non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted net investment income, or ANII. ANII is net investment income, or NII, as determined in accordance with US generally accepted accounting principles, or GAAP, excluding the impact of the capital gains incentive fee.
Speaker #3: MSC Income Fund assumes no obligation to update any of these statements unless required by law. During today's call, management will discuss non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted net investment income, or ANII.
Speaker #3: ANII is net investment income, or NII, as determined in accordance with U.S. Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, or GAAP, excluding the impact of the capital gains incentive fee.
Speaker #3: MSC Income Fund believes presenting ANII and the related per-share amount is useful and appropriate supplemental disclosure for analyzing the fund's financial performance, since the calculation of the capital gains incentive fee is based on realized gains and losses and unrealized fair value appreciation and depreciation, none of which are included in NII.
Zach Vaughn: MSC Income Fund believes presenting ANII and the related per share amount is useful and appropriate supplemental disclosure for analyzing the fund's financial performance, since the calculation of the capital gains incentive fee is based on realized gains and losses, and unrealized fair value, appreciation, and depreciation, none of which are included in NII. Please refer to yesterday's press release for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Two additional key performance indicators that management will be discussing on this call are net asset value, or NAV, and return on equity, or ROE. NAV is defined as total assets minus total liabilities and is also reported on a per-share basis. MSC Income Fund defines ROE as the net increase in net assets resulting from operations divided by average quarterly NAV.
Zach Vaughn: MSC Income Fund believes presenting ANII and the related per share amount is useful and appropriate supplemental disclosure for analyzing the fund's financial performance, since the calculation of the capital gains incentive fee is based on realized gains and losses, and unrealized fair value, appreciation, and depreciation, none of which are included in NII. Please refer to yesterday's press release for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Two additional key performance indicators that management will be discussing on this call are net asset value, or NAV, and return on equity, or ROE. NAV is defined as total assets minus total liabilities and is also reported on a per-share basis. MSC Income Fund defines ROE as the net increase in net assets resulting from operations divided by average quarterly NAV.
Speaker #3: Please refer to yesterday's press release for reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Two additional key performance indicators that management will be discussing on this call are net asset value, or NAV, and return on equity, or ROE.
Speaker #3: NAV is defined as total assets minus total liabilities and is also reported on a per-share basis. MSC Income Fund defines ROE as the net increase in net assets resulting from operations divided by average quarterly NAV.
Speaker #3: As a reminder, the fund effectuated a two-for-one reverse stock split on December 16th, 2024. All per-share amounts, share data, related information discussed on this call today reflect the effect of the reverse stock split.
Zach Vaughn: As a reminder, the fund effectuated a two-for-one reverse stock split on 16 December 2024. All per-share amounts, share data, related information discussed on this call today reflect the effect of the reverse stock split. Please note that certain information discussed on this call, including information related to portfolio companies, was derived from third-party sources and has not been independently verified. Now I'll turn the call over to MSC Income Fund CEO, Dwayne Hyzak.
Zach Vaughn: As a reminder, the fund effectuated a two-for-one reverse stock split on 16 December 2024. All per-share amounts, share data, related information discussed on this call today reflect the effect of the reverse stock split. Please note that certain information discussed on this call, including information related to portfolio companies, was derived from third-party sources and has not been independently verified. Now I'll turn the call over to MSC Income Fund CEO, Dwayne Hyzak.
Speaker #3: Please note that certain information discussed on this call, including information related to portfolio companies, was derived from third-party sources and has not been independently verified.
Speaker #3: And now, I'll turn the call over to MSC Income Fund CEO, Dwayne Hyzak.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Zach. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We appreciate your participation on this morning's call. We hope that everyone is doing well.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thanks, Zach. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate your participation on this morning's call. We hope that everyone's doing well. On today's call, we will provide you with the fund's key quarterly updates. We're also providing a few updates on the fund's performance for the full year. Following our comments, we'll be happy to take your questions. We're very pleased with the fund's performance in Q4, which resulted in a return on equity of 16.3%, favorable adjusted net investment income per share, and a significant increase in the fair value of the fund's investments, including the benefits of net realized gains in both the fund's private loan and Lower Middle Market portfolios, which resulted in a significant increase in NAV per share.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thanks, Zach. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate your participation on this morning's call. We hope that everyone's doing well. On today's call, we will provide you with the fund's key quarterly updates. We're also providing a few updates on the fund's performance for the full year. Following our comments, we'll be happy to take your questions. We're very pleased with the fund's performance in Q4, which resulted in a return on equity of 16.3%, favorable adjusted net investment income per share, and a significant increase in the fair value of the fund's investments, including the benefits of net realized gains in both the fund's private loan and Lower Middle Market portfolios, which resulted in a significant increase in NAV per share.
Speaker #4: On today’s call, we will provide you with the fund’s key quarterly updates. We’ll also be providing a few updates on the fund’s performance for the full year.
Speaker #4: Following our comments, we'll be happy to take your questions. We're very pleased with the fund's performance in the fourth quarter. Which resulted in a return on equity of 16.3%, favorable, adjusted net investment income per share, and a significant increase in the fair value of the fund's investments, including the benefits of net realized gains in both the fund's private loan and lower middle market portfolios, which resulted in a significant increase in NAV per share.
Speaker #4: The fund also produced favorable investment activity in the fourth quarter. Which generated meaningful growth of its investment portfolio. After the fund's positive performance in the first three quarters of 2025, the fund's strong performance in the fourth quarter resulted in an ROE of 12.5% for the full year, and pre-tax adjusted NII per share in excess of the fund's total dividends paid.
Dwayne Hyzak: The fund also produced favorable investment activity in the Q4, which generated meaningful growth of its investment portfolio. After the fund's positive performance in the Q1, Q2, and Q3 of 2025, the fund's strong performance in the Q4 resulted in an ROE of 12.5% for the full year and pre-tax adjusted NII per share in excess of the fund's total dividends paid. Based upon the quality of the fund's existing investment portfolio, combined with the fund's expanded regulatory leverage capacity, which became effective at the end of January 2026, and which provides the fund significant capacity to add additional debt to fund the future growth of its investment portfolio.... and the current attractive pipeline of new private loan investment opportunities, we remain excited about the future expectations for the fund.
Dwayne Hyzak: The fund also produced favorable investment activity in the Q4, which generated meaningful growth of its investment portfolio. After the fund's positive performance in the Q1, Q2, and Q3 of 2025, the fund's strong performance in the Q4 resulted in an ROE of 12.5% for the full year and pre-tax adjusted NII per share in excess of the fund's total dividends paid. Based upon the quality of the fund's existing investment portfolio, combined with the fund's expanded regulatory leverage capacity, which became effective at the end of January 2026, and which provides the fund significant capacity to add additional debt to fund the future growth of its investment portfolio.... and the current attractive pipeline of new private loan investment opportunities, we remain excited about the future expectations for the fund.
Speaker #4: Based upon the quality of the fund's existing investment portfolio, combined with the fund's expanded regulatory leverage capacity, which became effective at the end of January 2026, and which provides the fund significant capacity to add additional debt to fund the future growth of its investment portfolio, and the current attractive pipeline of new private loan investment opportunities, we remain excited about the future expectations for the fund.
Speaker #4: We are also confident that the fund's sole focus on its private loan strategy with respect to new portfolio company investments, and the growth of recurring interest income from such debt investments, together with the fund's contractual, future-based management fee reductions as the fund's lower middle market investments decrease as a percentage of its total investment portfolio, will strengthen the fund's ability to deliver attractive recurring dividends and favorable total returns to the fund's shareholders in the future.
Dwayne Hyzak: We are also confident that the fund's sole focus on its private loan strategy with respect to new portfolio company investments and the growth of recurring interest income from such debt investments, together with the fund's contractual future-based management fee reductions as the fund's Lower Middle Market investments decrease as a percentage of its total investment portfolio, will strengthen the fund's ability to deliver attractive recurring dividends and favorable total returns to the fund shareholders in the future. The fund generated adjusted net investment income, or ANII, which is NII, excluding the impact of the capital gains incentive fee of $0.34 per share in the quarter, or $0.37 per share on a pre-tax ANII basis. These results, combined with our positive outlook for the future, resulted in our most recent dividend announcements, which I will discuss in more detail later.
Dwayne Hyzak: We are also confident that the fund's sole focus on its private loan strategy with respect to new portfolio company investments and the growth of recurring interest income from such debt investments, together with the fund's contractual future-based management fee reductions as the fund's Lower Middle Market investments decrease as a percentage of its total investment portfolio, will strengthen the fund's ability to deliver attractive recurring dividends and favorable total returns to the fund shareholders in the future. The fund generated adjusted net investment income, or ANII, which is NII, excluding the impact of the capital gains incentive fee of $0.34 per share in the quarter, or $0.37 per share on a pre-tax ANII basis. These results, combined with our positive outlook for the future, resulted in our most recent dividend announcements, which I will discuss in more detail later.
Speaker #4: The fund generated adjusted net investment income, or ANII, which is NII excluding the impact of the capital gains incentive fee, of $0.34 per share in the quarter, or $0.37 per share on a pre-tax ANII basis.
Speaker #4: These results, combined with our positive outlook for the future, resulted in our most recent dividend announcements, which I will discuss in more detail later.
Speaker #4: The fund finished the quarter with NAV per share of $15.85, a 31-cent increase from the prior quarter, and we continue to be pleased with the performance of the fund's investment portfolio including both the private loan and lower middle market portfolios.
Dwayne Hyzak: The fund finished the quarter with NAV per share of $15.85, a $0.31 increase from the prior quarter. We continue to be pleased with the performance of the fund's investment portfolio, including both the private loan and Lower Middle Market portfolios. Corey will discuss our financial results in more detail. Consistent with our guidance last quarter, the fund's private loan investment activity in Q4 returned to our expected normal level of quarterly activity and resulted in a net increase in private loan investments of $57 million. The fund remains highly focused on executing new investment opportunities that are consistent with its historical private loan investments as we work to grow the fund's investment portfolio.
Dwayne Hyzak: The fund finished the quarter with NAV per share of $15.85, a $0.31 increase from the prior quarter. We continue to be pleased with the performance of the fund's investment portfolio, including both the private loan and Lower Middle Market portfolios. Corey will discuss our financial results in more detail. Consistent with our guidance last quarter, the fund's private loan investment activity in Q4 returned to our expected normal level of quarterly activity and resulted in a net increase in private loan investments of $57 million. The fund remains highly focused on executing new investment opportunities that are consistent with its historical private loan investments as we work to grow the fund's investment portfolio.
Speaker #4: Cory will discuss our financial results in more detail. Consistent with our guidance and the quarter, the fund's private loan investment activity in the fourth quarter returned to our expected normal level of quarterly activity and resulted in a net increase in private loan investments of $57 million.
Speaker #4: The fund remains highly focused on executing new investment opportunities that are consistent with its historical private loan investments, as we work to grow the fund's investment portfolio.
Speaker #4: Consistent with my comments last quarter, we're pleased that the fund successfully exited two private loan portfolio equity investments in the fourth quarter, with these activities resulting in total realized gains of 16 million dollars, or 34 cents per share, both at meaningful premiums to the fund's third quarter fair values.
Dwayne Hyzak: Consistent with my comments last quarter, we're pleased that the fund successfully exited two private loan portfolio equity investments in the Q4, with these activities resulting in total realized gains of $16 million, or $0.34 per share, both at meaningful premiums to the fund's Q3 fair values. The fund is also focused on maximizing the benefits from its legacy Lower Middle Market investment portfolio and recycling this existing capital into private loan investments as investments are exited or repaid. As part of these activities, the fund fully exited its investments in one high-performing Lower Middle Market portfolio company, Mystic Logistics, in the Q4, resulting in a $6 million realized gain. We also continue to see significant interest from potential buyers in several of the fund's Lower Middle Market portfolio companies, which we expect will lead to additional favorable realizations over the next few quarters.
Dwayne Hyzak: Consistent with my comments last quarter, we're pleased that the fund successfully exited two private loan portfolio equity investments in the Q4, with these activities resulting in total realized gains of $16 million, or $0.34 per share, both at meaningful premiums to the fund's Q3 fair values. The fund is also focused on maximizing the benefits from its legacy Lower Middle Market investment portfolio and recycling this existing capital into private loan investments as investments are exited or repaid. As part of these activities, the fund fully exited its investments in one high-performing Lower Middle Market portfolio company, Mystic Logistics, in the Q4, resulting in a $6 million realized gain. We also continue to see significant interest from potential buyers in several of the fund's Lower Middle Market portfolio companies, which we expect will lead to additional favorable realizations over the next few quarters.
Speaker #4: The fund is also focused on maximizing the benefits from its legacy lower middle market investment portfolio, and recycling this existing capital into private loan investments as investments are exited or repaid.
Speaker #4: As part of these activities, the fund fully exited its investments in one high-performing lower middle market portfolio company, Mystic Logistics, in the fourth quarter, resulting in a $6 million realized gain.
Speaker #4: We also continue to see significant interest from potential buyers in several of the fund's lower middle market portfolio companies, which we expect will lead to additional favorable realizations over the next few quarters.
Speaker #4: The fund also continues to benefit from attractive follow-on investments in existing lower middle market portfolio companies, which we believe are beneficial to both current investment income and future value creation.
Dwayne Hyzak: The fund also continues to benefit from attractive follow-on investments in existing Lower Middle Market portfolio companies, which we believe are beneficial to both current investment income and future value creation. Nick and David will cover the fund's investment activity in more detail. Based upon the fund's results for the quarter and its future outlook, earlier this week, the fund's board of directors declared a regular quarterly dividend of $0.35 per share and a supplemental dividend of $0.01 per share, both of which are payable on 1 May 2026, to shareholders of record as of 31 March 2026. Going forward, the fund expects to continue to maintain a dividend policy that provides for its total quarterly dividends, which are expected to include a regular quarterly dividend and a supplemental dividend, to be set at a level generally consistent with the fund's pre-tax ANII per share.
Dwayne Hyzak: The fund also continues to benefit from attractive follow-on investments in existing Lower Middle Market portfolio companies, which we believe are beneficial to both current investment income and future value creation. Nick and David will cover the fund's investment activity in more detail. Based upon the fund's results for the quarter and its future outlook, earlier this week, the fund's board of directors declared a regular quarterly dividend of $0.35 per share and a supplemental dividend of $0.01 per share, both of which are payable on 1 May 2026, to shareholders of record as of 31 March 2026. Going forward, the fund expects to continue to maintain a dividend policy that provides for its total quarterly dividends, which are expected to include a regular quarterly dividend and a supplemental dividend, to be set at a level generally consistent with the fund's pre-tax ANII per share.
Speaker #4: Nick and David will cover the fund's investment activity in more detail. Based upon the fund's results for the quarter and its future outlook, earlier this week, the fund's board of directors declared a regular quarterly dividend of $0.35 per share and a supplemental dividend of $0.01 per share, both of which are payable on May 1, 2026, to shareholders of record as of March 31, 2026.
Speaker #4: Going forward, the fund expects to continue to maintain a dividend policy that provides for its total quarterly dividends, which are expected to include a regular quarterly dividend and a supplemental dividend, to be set at a level generally consistent with the fund's pre-tax ANII per share.
Speaker #4: Based upon the total dividends payable on May 1st and the current stock price, the fund is currently providing its shareholders a dividend yield of 11.5%.
Dwayne Hyzak: Based upon the total dividends payable on 1 May and the current stock price, the fund is currently providing its shareholders a dividend yield of 11.5%. As we look forward to the fund's near-term investment activities, as of today, I would characterize the private loan investment pipeline as above average. We're excited about the current pipeline of new investment opportunities and follow-on investment opportunities in existing portfolio companies, and we remain confident in our ability to generate attractive new private loan investment opportunities and grow the fund's investment portfolio over the next several quarters. My last few comments are reminders of the continued support the fund has received from Main Street Capital Corporation. Since Main Street's wholly owned subsidiary was appointed the sole advisor to the fund in October 2020, Main Street has purchased over $27 million of the fund's common stock.
Dwayne Hyzak: Based upon the total dividends payable on 1 May and the current stock price, the fund is currently providing its shareholders a dividend yield of 11.5%. As we look forward to the fund's near-term investment activities, as of today, I would characterize the private loan investment pipeline as above average. We're excited about the current pipeline of new investment opportunities and follow-on investment opportunities in existing portfolio companies, and we remain confident in our ability to generate attractive new private loan investment opportunities and grow the fund's investment portfolio over the next several quarters. My last few comments are reminders of the continued support the fund has received from Main Street Capital Corporation. Since Main Street's wholly owned subsidiary was appointed the sole advisor to the fund in October 2020, Main Street has purchased over $27 million of the fund's common stock.
Speaker #4: As we look forward to the fund's near-term investment activities, as of today, I would characterize the private loan investment pipeline as above average. We're excited about the current pipeline of new investment opportunities and follow-on investment opportunities in existing portfolio companies, and we remain confident in our ability to generate attractive new private loan investment opportunities and grow the fund's investment portfolio over the next several quarters.
Speaker #4: My last few comments are reminders of the continued support the fund has received from Main Street Capital Corporation. Since Main Street's wholly-owned subsidiary was appointed the sole advisor to the fund in October 2020, Main Street has purchased over $27 million of the fund's common stock.
Speaker #4: In conjunction with the fund's equity offering in January 2025, Main Street entered into an open market share purchase plan to purchase up to 20 million dollars of the fund's shares for a 12-month period beginning in March 2025, at times when the fund's shares are trading at predetermined levels below the fund's NAV per share, with the terms of such plan being identical to the fund's open market share repurchase plan to purchase up to 65 million dollars of the fund's shares, and with any open market share purchases being split by the fund and Main Street on a pro-rata basis.
Dwayne Hyzak: In conjunction with the fund's equity offering in January 2025, Main Street entered into an open market share purchase plan to purchase up to $20 million of the fund's shares for a 12-month period beginning in March 2025, at times when the fund's shares are trading at predetermined levels below the fund's NAV per share, with the terms of such plan being identical to the fund's open market share repurchase plan to purchase up to $65 million of the fund shares, and with any open market share purchases being split by the fund and Main Street on a pro rata basis. Through today, Main Street has purchased over $5 million, and the fund has repurchased over $18 million under these plans.
Dwayne Hyzak: In conjunction with the fund's equity offering in January 2025, Main Street entered into an open market share purchase plan to purchase up to $20 million of the fund's shares for a 12-month period beginning in March 2025, at times when the fund's shares are trading at predetermined levels below the fund's NAV per share, with the terms of such plan being identical to the fund's open market share repurchase plan to purchase up to $65 million of the fund shares, and with any open market share purchases being split by the fund and Main Street on a pro rata basis. Through today, Main Street has purchased over $5 million, and the fund has repurchased over $18 million under these plans.
Speaker #4: Through today, Main Street has purchased over $5 million, and the fund has repurchased over $18 million under these plans. We believe Main Street's significant equity ownership in the fund and its participation in the post-listing share purchase plan demonstrates Main Street's commitment to the future success of the fund and reinforces Main Street's confidence in the strength and quality of the fund's investment portfolio and investment strategy.
Dwayne Hyzak: We believe Main Street's significant equity ownership in the fund and its participation in the post-listing share purchase plan demonstrates Main Street's commitment to the future success of the fund and reinforces Main Street's confidence in the strength and quality of the fund's investment portfolio and investment strategy. With that, I'll turn the call over to Nick.
Dwayne Hyzak: We believe Main Street's significant equity ownership in the fund and its participation in the post-listing share purchase plan demonstrates Main Street's commitment to the future success of the fund and reinforces Main Street's confidence in the strength and quality of the fund's investment portfolio and investment strategy. With that, I'll turn the call over to Nick.
Speaker #4: With that, I will turn the call over to Nick.
Speaker #5: Thanks, Dwayne. And good morning, everyone. As Dwayne highlighted in his remarks, we are pleased with the performance of the fund's private loan investment portfolio in the fourth quarter.
Nick Meserve: Thanks, Dwayne, good morning, everyone. As Dwayne highlighted in his remarks, we are pleased with the performance of the fund's private loan investment portfolio in Q4, which represents the largest portion of the fund's investment portfolio, and which, as a reminder, is now the fund's sole focus with respect to new portfolio company investments. The overall operating performance for most of the fund's private loan portfolio companies continued to be positive, which contributed to the fund's favorable Q4 financial results. As we previously noted, over the past few years, the fund has seen softness in certain private loan portfolio companies within the consumer space, we have been and are working on maximizing recoveries on those specific investments over the next few years. One of the favorable realized exits in Q4 that Dwayne mentioned, was a previously restructured portfolio company with consumer exposure.
Nick Meserve: Thanks, Dwayne, good morning, everyone. As Dwayne highlighted in his remarks, we are pleased with the performance of the fund's private loan investment portfolio in Q4, which represents the largest portion of the fund's investment portfolio, and which, as a reminder, is now the fund's sole focus with respect to new portfolio company investments. The overall operating performance for most of the fund's private loan portfolio companies continued to be positive, which contributed to the fund's favorable Q4 financial results. As we previously noted, over the past few years, the fund has seen softness in certain private loan portfolio companies within the consumer space, we have been and are working on maximizing recoveries on those specific investments over the next few years. One of the favorable realized exits in Q4 that Dwayne mentioned, was a previously restructured portfolio company with consumer exposure.
Speaker #5: Which represents the largest portion of the fund's investment portfolio, and which, as a reminder, is now the fund's sole focus with respect to new portfolio company investments.
Speaker #5: The overall operating performance for most of the fund's private loan portfolio companies continued to be positive. Which contributed the fund's favorable fourth quarter financial results.
Speaker #5: As we've previously noted over the past few years, the fund has seen softness in certain private loan portfolio companies within the consumer space. And we have been in our working on maximizing recoveries on those specific investments over the next few years.
Speaker #5: One of the favorable realized exits in the fourth quarter that Dwayne mentioned was a previously restructured portfolio company with consumer exposure. Due to the significant efforts and successes of that portfolio company's management team, the hard work of our team, and the patience to work through a difficult situation, we ended up with a positive outcome.
Nick Meserve: Due to the significant efforts and successes of that portfolio company's management team, the hard work of our team, and the patience to work through a difficult situation, we ended up with a positive outcome. We expect and hope to have similar outcomes on several previously restructured investments in the future. The fund also benefited from a realized gain of $13.5 million from the exit of one of its equity investments in a private loan portfolio company in Q4, which illustrates the opportunity that can be available in the future from these equity co-investments. Given the current economic uncertainty that exists across certain parts of the economy, we are diligently working to stay in front of the fund's portfolio companies to understand their exposures to changing environments. To date, based upon these ever-evolving discussions, we are comfortable with the future outlook for the portfolio.
Nick Meserve: Due to the significant efforts and successes of that portfolio company's management team, the hard work of our team, and the patience to work through a difficult situation, we ended up with a positive outcome. We expect and hope to have similar outcomes on several previously restructured investments in the future. The fund also benefited from a realized gain of $13.5 million from the exit of one of its equity investments in a private loan portfolio company in Q4, which illustrates the opportunity that can be available in the future from these equity co-investments. Given the current economic uncertainty that exists across certain parts of the economy, we are diligently working to stay in front of the fund's portfolio companies to understand their exposures to changing environments. To date, based upon these ever-evolving discussions, we are comfortable with the future outlook for the portfolio.
Speaker #5: We expect and hope to have similar outcomes on several previously restructured investments in the future. The fund also benefited from a realized gain of $13.5 million from the exit of one of its equity investments in a private loan portfolio company in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #5: This illustrates the opportunity that can be available in the future from these equity co-investments. Given the current economic uncertainty that exists across certain parts of the economy, we are diligently working to stay in front of the fund's portfolio companies to understand their exposures to changing environments.
Speaker #5: To date, based upon these ever-evolving discussions, we are comfortable with the future outlook for the portfolio. At quarter end, 92% of the private loan portfolio was comprised of secured debt investments, over 99% of which were first lien, and 96% of which were floating rate loans.
Nick Meserve: At Q4 end, 92% of the private loan portfolio was comprised of secured debt investments, over 99% of which were first lien, and 96% of which were floating rate loans. Portfolio had an attractive weighted average yield of 10.7%, which was down 130 basis points from the end of 2024, primarily as a result of decreases in the SOFR rates for these floating rate debt investments. We're also starting to see the tighter spreads on new investments start to bring down the portfolio average. During Q4, the fund invested $101 million in the private loan portfolio, which, after aggregate investment activity, resulted in a net increase of $57 million.
Nick Meserve: At Q4 end, 92% of the private loan portfolio was comprised of secured debt investments, over 99% of which were first lien, and 96% of which were floating rate loans. Portfolio had an attractive weighted average yield of 10.7%, which was down 130 basis points from the end of 2024, primarily as a result of decreases in the SOFR rates for these floating rate debt investments. We're also starting to see the tighter spreads on new investments start to bring down the portfolio average. During Q4, the fund invested $101 million in the private loan portfolio, which, after aggregate investment activity, resulted in a net increase of $57 million.
Speaker #5: The portfolio had an attractive weighted average yield of 10.7%, which was down 130 basis points from the end of 2024, primarily as a result of decreases in the SOFR rates for these floating rate debt investments.
Speaker #5: But we're also starting to see the tighter spreads on new investments start to bring down the portfolio average. During the fourth quarter, the fund invested $101 million in the private loan portfolio.
Speaker #5: After aggregate investment activity, this resulted in a net increase of $57 million. Going into the fourth quarter, the fund held investments in 81 private loan portfolio companies, totaling $809 million of fair value and representing 61% of the fund's total investment portfolio at fair value.
Nick Meserve: The fund ended the Q4 of investments in 81 private loan portfolio companies, totaling $809 million of fair value and representing 61% of the fund's total investment portfolio at fair value. As Dwayne mentioned, our private loan pipeline is above average. That is delivering both good new origination levels and replenishing the pipeline. With that, I'll turn the call over to David.
Nick Meserve: The fund ended the Q4 of investments in 81 private loan portfolio companies, totaling $809 million of fair value and representing 61% of the fund's total investment portfolio at fair value. As Dwayne mentioned, our private loan pipeline is above average. That is delivering both good new origination levels and replenishing the pipeline. With that, I'll turn the call over to David.
Speaker #5: As Dwayne mentioned, our private loan pipeline is above average. We continue to see increasing private equity activity, and that is delivering both good new origination levels and replenishing the pipeline.
Speaker #5: With that, I'll turn the call over to David.
Speaker #6: Thanks, Nick. And good morning, everyone. In addition to the private loan portfolio that Nick just covered, the fund also maintains a portfolio of legacy lower middle market investments.
David Magdol: Thanks, Nick. Good morning, everyone. In addition to the private loan portfolio that Nick just covered, the fund also maintains a portfolio of legacy Lower Middle Market investments. As a reminder, these are combined debt and equity investments in smaller, privately held companies, whereby the fund partnered directly with the company's existing business owners and management team through co-investments with Main Street Capital Corporation, utilizing the customized one-stop debt and equity financing solutions provided in Main Street's Lower Middle Market investment strategy. After the listing of the fund shares on the New York Stock Exchange in January 2025, the fund no longer makes investments in new Lower Middle Market portfolio companies, but continues to participate in follow-on investments in its existing Lower Middle Market portfolio companies.
David Magdol: Thanks, Nick. Good morning, everyone. In addition to the private loan portfolio that Nick just covered, the fund also maintains a portfolio of legacy Lower Middle Market investments. As a reminder, these are combined debt and equity investments in smaller, privately held companies, whereby the fund partnered directly with the company's existing business owners and management team through co-investments with Main Street Capital Corporation, utilizing the customized one-stop debt and equity financing solutions provided in Main Street's Lower Middle Market investment strategy. After the listing of the fund shares on the New York Stock Exchange in January 2025, the fund no longer makes investments in new Lower Middle Market portfolio companies, but continues to participate in follow-on investments in its existing Lower Middle Market portfolio companies.
Speaker #6: As a reminder, these are combined debt and equity investments in smaller privately held companies, whereby the Fund partnered directly with the companies' existing business owners and management team through co-investments with Main Street Capital Corporation, utilizing the customized, one-stop debt and equity financing solutions provided in Main Street's lower middle market investment strategy.
Speaker #6: After the listing of the fund's shares on the New York Stock Exchange in January of 2025, the fund no longer makes investments in new lower middle market portfolio companies, but continues to participate in follow-on investments in its existing lower middle market portfolio companies.
Speaker #6: We are pleased to report that the overall operating performance for most of the fund's lower middle market portfolio companies continues to be positive, which contributed to the attractive fourth quarter financial results.
David Magdol: We are pleased to report that the overall operating performance for most of the fund's Lower Middle Market portfolio companies continues to be positive, which contributed to the attractive Q4 financial results. These contributions included both strong dividend income and continued fair value appreciation. During the Q4, the fund completed $23 million in total Lower Middle Market follow-on investments, which, after aggregate investment activity, resulted in a net increase in the Lower Middle Market portfolio of $15 million. At Q4 end, the Lower Middle Market portfolio had investments in 55 portfolio companies, totaling $488 million of fair value and representing 36% of the fund's total investment portfolio. The Lower Middle Market portfolio at fair value is comprised of 53% debt investments and 47% equity investments.
David Magdol: We are pleased to report that the overall operating performance for most of the fund's Lower Middle Market portfolio companies continues to be positive, which contributed to the attractive Q4 financial results. These contributions included both strong dividend income and continued fair value appreciation. During the Q4, the fund completed $23 million in total Lower Middle Market follow-on investments, which, after aggregate investment activity, resulted in a net increase in the Lower Middle Market portfolio of $15 million. At Q4 end, the Lower Middle Market portfolio had investments in 55 portfolio companies, totaling $488 million of fair value and representing 36% of the fund's total investment portfolio. The Lower Middle Market portfolio at fair value is comprised of 53% debt investments and 47% equity investments.
Speaker #6: These contributions included both strong dividend income and continued fair value appreciation. During the fourth quarter, the fund completed 23 million dollars in total lower middle market follow-on investments, which after aggregate investment activity resulted in a net increase in the lower middle market portfolio of 15 million dollars.
Speaker #6: At quarter end, the lower middle market portfolio had investments in 55 portfolio companies, totaling $488 million of fair value and representing 36% of the fund's total investment portfolio.
Speaker #6: The lower middle market portfolio at fair value was comprised of 53% debt investments and 47% equity investments. 99% of these debt investments were first lien loans, and they had an attractive weighted average yield of over 12%.
David Magdol: 99% of these debt investments were first lien loans, and they had an attractive weighted average yield of over 12%. The fund had equity ownership positions in all of its Lower Middle Market portfolio companies, representing an 8% average ownership position. We expect these investments will continue to provide significant benefits in the future, including the opportunity for continued dividend income, fair value appreciation, and eventually, meaningful realized gains upon the future exit of these Lower Middle Market investments. As Duane mentioned, we continue to see significant interest from potential buyers in several of the fund's Lower Middle Market portfolio companies, which we expect will lead to favorable realizations and additional fair value appreciation over the next few quarters. A great recent example of the benefits these portfolio companies can provide is the recent exit of the fund's investment in Mystic Logistics in Q4.
David Magdol: 99% of these debt investments were first lien loans, and they had an attractive weighted average yield of over 12%. The fund had equity ownership positions in all of its Lower Middle Market portfolio companies, representing an 8% average ownership position. We expect these investments will continue to provide significant benefits in the future, including the opportunity for continued dividend income, fair value appreciation, and eventually, meaningful realized gains upon the future exit of these Lower Middle Market investments. As Duane mentioned, we continue to see significant interest from potential buyers in several of the fund's Lower Middle Market portfolio companies, which we expect will lead to favorable realizations and additional fair value appreciation over the next few quarters. A great recent example of the benefits these portfolio companies can provide is the recent exit of the fund's investment in Mystic Logistics in Q4.
Speaker #6: The fund had equity ownership positions in all of its lower middle market portfolio companies, representing an 8% average ownership position. We expect these investments will continue to provide significant benefits in the future, including the opportunity for continued dividend income, fair value appreciation, and eventually meaningful realized gains upon the future exit of these lower middle market investments.
Speaker #6: As Dwayne mentioned, we continue to see significant interest from potential buyers in several of the fund's lower middle market portfolio companies, which we expect will lead to favorable realizations and additional fair value appreciation over the next few quarters.
Speaker #6: A great recent example of the benefits these portfolio companies can provide is the recent exit of the fund's investment in Mystic Logistics in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #6: This exit resulted in a realized gain of $6 million. Also notable is the fact that Mystic Logistics paid total dividends to the fund of $5.5 million over the life of the investment.
David Magdol: This exit resulted in a realized gain of $6 million. Also notable is the fact that Mystic Logistics paid total dividends to the fund of $5.5 million over the life of the investment. During the fund's total investment portfolio, as of 31 December, the fund continued to maintain a highly diversified portfolio with investments in 144 portfolio companies, spanning across numerous industries and end markets. The fund's largest portfolio companies represented less than 4% of the total investment portfolio fair value at quarter end, and less than 4% of total investment income for the year ended 31 December, with most of the portfolio investments representing less than 1% of the fund's income and assets. With that, I'll turn the call over to Cory.
David Magdol: This exit resulted in a realized gain of $6 million. Also notable is the fact that Mystic Logistics paid total dividends to the fund of $5.5 million over the life of the investment. During the fund's total investment portfolio, as of 31 December, the fund continued to maintain a highly diversified portfolio with investments in 144 portfolio companies, spanning across numerous industries and end markets. The fund's largest portfolio companies represented less than 4% of the total investment portfolio fair value at quarter end, and less than 4% of total investment income for the year ended 31 December, with most of the portfolio investments representing less than 1% of the fund's income and assets. With that, I'll turn the call over to Cory.
Speaker #6: During the fund's total investment portfolio as of December 31, the fund continued to maintain a highly diversified portfolio with investments in 144 portfolio companies, spanning across numerous industries and end markets.
Speaker #6: The fund's largest portfolio companies represented less than 4% of the total investment portfolio fair value at quarter end, and less than 4% of total investment income for the year ended December 31, with most of the portfolio investments representing less than 1% of the fund's income and assets.
Speaker #6: With that, I'll turn the call over to Cory.
Speaker #5: Thank you, David. And thank you to everyone who has joined us today. The fund's total investment income for the fourth quarter was $34.9 million, an increase of $1.5 million, or 4.4%, from the fourth quarter of 2024, and a decrease of $0.5 million, or 1.3%, from the third quarter.
Nick Meserve: Thank you, David, and thank you to everyone who has joined us today. The fund's total investment income for Q4 was $34.9 million, an increase of $1.5 million, or 4.4%, from Q4 of 2024, and a decrease of $0.5 million, or 1.3%, from Q3. Q4 included income considered less consistent or non-reoccurring in nature of $1.9 million. As we've previously discussed, these non-reoccurring items vary quarter-to-quarter and can include dividend income from equity investments, and interest and fee income from accelerated prepayment, repricing, and other activity related to debt investments.
Cory Gilbert: Thank you, David, and thank you to everyone who has joined us today. The fund's total investment income for Q4 was $34.9 million, an increase of $1.5 million, or 4.4%, from Q4 of 2024, and a decrease of $0.5 million, or 1.3%, from Q3. Q4 included income considered less consistent or non-reoccurring in nature of $1.9 million. As we've previously discussed, these non-reoccurring items vary quarter-to-quarter and can include dividend income from equity investments, and interest and fee income from accelerated prepayment, repricing, and other activity related to debt investments.
Speaker #5: The fourth quarter included income considered less consistent or non-reoccurring in nature of 1.9 million dollars, a brief previously discussed these non-reoccurring items vary quarter to quarter and can include dividend income from equity investments, and interest and fee income from accelerated prepayment, repricing, and other activity related to debt investments.
Speaker #5: For the fourth quarter, these items were $0.9 million higher than the average of the prior four quarters, $1.1 million higher than the fourth quarter of 2024, and $0.6 million higher than the third quarter.
Cory Gilbert: For the Q4, these items were $0.9 million higher than the average of the prior four quarters, $1.1 million higher than the Q4 of 2024, and $0.6 million higher than the Q3. Dividend income for the Q4 increased by $2.6 million from a year ago and by $1.7 million from the Q3. The increase in dividend income from both the prior year and the Q3 was primarily due to an increase in dividends from Lower Middle Market equity investments and included $1.2 million of non-reoccurring items. As we previously discussed, dividend income will fluctuate quarter to quarter based on the underlying performance, cash flows, and capital allocation activities of the fund's portfolio companies and certain non-reoccurring items.
Cory Gilbert: For the Q4, these items were $0.9 million higher than the average of the prior four quarters, $1.1 million higher than the Q4 of 2024, and $0.6 million higher than the Q3. Dividend income for the Q4 increased by $2.6 million from a year ago and by $1.7 million from the Q3. The increase in dividend income from both the prior year and the Q3 was primarily due to an increase in dividends from Lower Middle Market equity investments and included $1.2 million of non-reoccurring items. As we previously discussed, dividend income will fluctuate quarter to quarter based on the underlying performance, cash flows, and capital allocation activities of the fund's portfolio companies and certain non-reoccurring items.
Speaker #5: Dividend income for the fourth quarter increased by $2.6 million from a year ago and by $1.7 million from the third quarter. The increase in dividend income from both the prior year and the third quarter was primarily due to an increase in dividends from lower middle market equity investments, and included $1.2 million of non-recurring items.
Speaker #5: As we previously discussed, dividend income will fluctuate quarter to quarter based on the underlying performance, cash flows, and capital allocation activities of the fund's portfolio companies, and certain non-reoccurring items.
Speaker #5: Interest income for the fourth quarter decreased by $0.8 million from a year ago and by $1.3 million from the third quarter. The decrease in interest income from both the prior year and the third quarter was principally attributable to a decrease in interest rates, primarily resulting from decreases in benchmark index rates on floating rate debt investments and an increased negative impact from investments on non-accrual status.
Cory Gilbert: Interest income for Q4 decreased by $0.8 million from a year ago and by $1.3 million from Q3. The decrease in interest income from both the prior year and Q3 was principally attributable to a decrease in interest rates, primarily resulting from decreases in benchmark index rates on floating rate debt investments, and an increased negative impact from investments on non-accrual status, partially offset by the growth of the investment portfolio. Fee income for Q4 decreased by $0.3 million from a year ago and by $0.9 million from Q3. The decrease in fee income from both the prior year and Q3 was primarily due to the refinancing and prepayment of debt investments.
Cory Gilbert: Interest income for Q4 decreased by $0.8 million from a year ago and by $1.3 million from Q3. The decrease in interest income from both the prior year and Q3 was principally attributable to a decrease in interest rates, primarily resulting from decreases in benchmark index rates on floating rate debt investments, and an increased negative impact from investments on non-accrual status, partially offset by the growth of the investment portfolio. Fee income for Q4 decreased by $0.3 million from a year ago and by $0.9 million from Q3. The decrease in fee income from both the prior year and Q3 was primarily due to the refinancing and prepayment of debt investments.
Speaker #5: Partially offset by the growth of the investment portfolio. Fee income for the fourth quarter decreased by 0.3 million dollars from a year ago and by 0.9 million dollars from the third quarter.
Speaker #5: The decrease in fee income from both the prior year and the third quarter was primarily due to the refinancing and prepayment of debt investments.
Speaker #5: The fund's expenses net of waivers for the fourth quarter increased by 1.3 million dollars from the prior year and by 2.2 million dollars from the third quarter.
Cory Gilbert: The fund's expenses, net of waivers for Q4, increased by $1.3 million from the prior year and by $2.2 million from Q3. These increases were primarily driven by a $2.8 million capital gains incentive fee accrued in Q4 of 2025. This accrual was partially offset by a $1.2 million decrease in interest expense and a $0.4 million decrease in base management fee from the prior year, and a $0.5 million decrease in general and administrative expenses, and a $0.3 million decrease in interest expense from Q3.
Cory Gilbert: The fund's expenses, net of waivers for Q4, increased by $1.3 million from the prior year and by $2.2 million from Q3. These increases were primarily driven by a $2.8 million capital gains incentive fee accrued in Q4 of 2025. This accrual was partially offset by a $1.2 million decrease in interest expense and a $0.4 million decrease in base management fee from the prior year, and a $0.5 million decrease in general and administrative expenses, and a $0.3 million decrease in interest expense from Q3.
Speaker #5: These increases were primarily driven by a $2.8 million capital gains incentive fee accrued in the fourth quarter of 2025. This accrual was partially offset by a $1.2 million decrease in interest expense and a $0.4 million decrease in base management fee from the prior year, as well as a $0.5 million decrease in general and administrative expenses and a $0.3 million decrease in interest expense from the third quarter.
Speaker #5: The capital gains incentive fee accrual is primarily the result of the significant net fair value appreciation of the fund's investments since the listing and was recognized during the fourth quarter of 2025.
Cory Gilbert: The capital gains incentive fee accrual is primarily the result of the significant net fair value appreciation of the fund's investments since the listing and was recognized during the Q4 of 2025. However, this amount is not currently payable and is not expected to be payable in the near future, if ever. The decrease in interest expense from a year ago was largely driven by a decreased weighted average interest rate on the credit facilities due to a decrease in the applicable spreads, resulting from amendments of the credit facilities since the Q4 of 2024, and decreases in floating benchmark index rates. The decrease in interest expense from the Q3 is primarily driven by a decreased weighted average interest rate in the credit facilities due to decreases in floating benchmark index rates.
Cory Gilbert: The capital gains incentive fee accrual is primarily the result of the significant net fair value appreciation of the fund's investments since the listing and was recognized during the Q4 of 2025. However, this amount is not currently payable and is not expected to be payable in the near future, if ever. The decrease in interest expense from a year ago was largely driven by a decreased weighted average interest rate on the credit facilities due to a decrease in the applicable spreads, resulting from amendments of the credit facilities since the Q4 of 2024, and decreases in floating benchmark index rates. The decrease in interest expense from the Q3 is primarily driven by a decreased weighted average interest rate in the credit facilities due to decreases in floating benchmark index rates.
Speaker #5: However, this amount is not currently payable and is not expected to be payable in the near future, if ever. The decrease in interest expense from a year ago was largely driven by a decreased weighted average interest rate on the credit facilities due to a decrease in the applicable spreads resulting from amendments of the credit facilities since the fourth quarter of 2024, and decreases in floating benchmark index rates.
Speaker #5: The decrease in interest expense from the third quarter is primarily driven by a decreased weighted average interest rate in the credit facilities due to decreases in floating benchmark index rates.
Speaker #5: The fund's expense ratio, calculated as the ratio of total non-interest operating expenses excluding incentive fees as a percentage of the fund's average total assets, was 1.8% on an annualized basis for the fourth quarter. This is a decrease from 2.1% in the prior year and a decrease from 2.0% in the third quarter.
Cory Gilbert: The fund's expense ratio, calculated as the ratio of total non-interest operating expenses, excluding incentive fees, as a percentage of the fund's average total assets, was 1.8% on an annualized basis for Q4, a decrease from 2.1% in the prior year and a decrease from 2% in Q3. The fund's NII, excluding the impact of the capital gains incentive fee and NII-related taxes in Q4, was $17.2 million, or $0.37 per share, increasing from $14.2 million, or $0.35 per share from the prior year.
Cory Gilbert: The fund's expense ratio, calculated as the ratio of total non-interest operating expenses, excluding incentive fees, as a percentage of the fund's average total assets, was 1.8% on an annualized basis for Q4, a decrease from 2.1% in the prior year and a decrease from 2% in Q3. The fund's NII, excluding the impact of the capital gains incentive fee and NII-related taxes in Q4, was $17.2 million, or $0.37 per share, increasing from $14.2 million, or $0.35 per share from the prior year.
Speaker #5: The fund's NII, excluding the impact of the capital gains incentive fee and NII-related taxes, in the fourth quarter was $17.2 million, or $0.37 per share, increasing from $14.2 million, or $0.35 per share, from the prior year.
Speaker #5: During the quarter, the fund recorded a net increase in the fair value of its investments of $17.2 million, representing the impact of $16.6 million of net realized gains and $0.5 million of net unrealized appreciation.
Cory Gilbert: During the quarter, the fund recorded a net increase in the fair value of its investments of $17.2 million, representing the impact of $16.6 million of net realized gains and a $0.5 million of net unrealized appreciation. The net fair value increase was attributable to increases of $12 million in the Lower Middle Market portfolio and $8.1 million in the private loan portfolio, partially offset by a decrease of $3.1 million in the residual middle market portfolio.
Cory Gilbert: During the quarter, the fund recorded a net increase in the fair value of its investments of $17.2 million, representing the impact of $16.6 million of net realized gains and a $0.5 million of net unrealized appreciation. The net fair value increase was attributable to increases of $12 million in the Lower Middle Market portfolio and $8.1 million in the private loan portfolio, partially offset by a decrease of $3.1 million in the residual middle market portfolio.
Speaker #5: The net fair value increase was attributable to increases of $12 million in the lower middle market portfolio and $8.1 million in the private loan portfolio.
Speaker #5: Partially offset by a decrease of 3.1 million dollars in the residual middle market portfolio. Overall, the fund's operating results for the fourth quarter resulted in a net increase in net assets of 30 million dollars and an NAV per share of 15 dollars and 85 cents, a 31 cent increase from the third quarter and 32 cents above the fund's public offering price per share in its public offering and listing on the New York Stock Exchange in January 2025.
Cory Gilbert: Overall, the fund's operating results for Q4 resulted in a net increase in net assets of $30 million and an NAV per share of $15.85, a $0.31 increase from Q3 and $0.32 above the fund's public offering price per share in its public offering and listing on the New York Stock Exchange in January 2025. As of year-end, the fund had investments on non-accrual status, comprising 1.1% of the total investment portfolio at fair value and 3.9% at cost. As of year-end, the fund's regulatory asset coverage ratio was 2.22, and its net debt to NAV ratio was 0.79. As Dwayne mentioned, the fund's focus remains on achieving a fully invested portfolio through its expanded regulatory leverage capacity, which became effective on 29 January 2026.
Cory Gilbert: Overall, the fund's operating results for Q4 resulted in a net increase in net assets of $30 million and an NAV per share of $15.85, a $0.31 increase from Q3 and $0.32 above the fund's public offering price per share in its public offering and listing on the New York Stock Exchange in January 2025. As of year-end, the fund had investments on non-accrual status, comprising 1.1% of the total investment portfolio at fair value and 3.9% at cost. As of year-end, the fund's regulatory asset coverage ratio was 2.22, and its net debt to NAV ratio was 0.79. As Dwayne mentioned, the fund's focus remains on achieving a fully invested portfolio through its expanded regulatory leverage capacity, which became effective on 29 January 2026.
Speaker #5: As of year-end, the Fund had investments on non-accrual status comprising 1% of the total investment portfolio at fair value and 3.9% at cost. As of year-end, the Fund's regulatory asset coverage ratio was 2.22, and its net debt to NAV ratio was 0.79.
Speaker #5: As Dwayne mentioned, the fund's focus remains on achieving a fully invested portfolio through its expanded regulatory leverage capacity, which became effective on January 29, 2026.
Speaker #5: With that, I will now turn the call back to the operator so we can take any questions.
Cory Gilbert: With that, I will now turn the call back to the operator so we can take any questions.
Cory Gilbert: With that, I will now turn the call back to the operator so we can take any questions.
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Speaker #1: One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Thank you. Our first question is from Brian McKenna with Citizens.
Brian McKenna: Great, thanks. It was good to see the strong quarter of originations and then just kind of, you know, growth in the overall investment portfolio. Sorry if I missed this, but I'm just trying to figure out how much of the decline in interest income quarter-over-quarter was from lower base rates, and then why we didn't see really any meaningful offsets there from growth in this portfolio. I'm assuming it's timing related, but any thoughts here would be helpful.
Speaker #3: Great. Thanks. So it was good to see the strong quarter of originations and then just kind of growth in the overall investment portfolio. Sorry if I missed this, but I'm just trying to figure out how much of the decline in interest income quarter on quarter was from lower base rates and then why we didn't see really any meaningful offsets there from growth in this portfolio.
Brian McKenna: Great, thanks. It was good to see the strong quarter of originations and then just kind of, you know, growth in the overall investment portfolio. Sorry if I missed this, but I'm just trying to figure out how much of the decline in interest income quarter-over-quarter was from lower base rates, and then why we didn't see really any meaningful offsets there from growth in this portfolio. I'm assuming it's timing related, but any thoughts here would be helpful.
Speaker #3: I'm assuming it's timing related, but any thoughts here would be helpful.
Speaker #4: Sure, Brian. Thanks for the question. I'd say to the second part, it is timing. I think a lot of the investment activity was back ended.
Dwayne Hyzak: Sure, Brian. Thanks for the question. I'd say the, to the second part, it is timing. I think a lot of the investment activity was back-ended. It was in the, you know, second half of the quarter, so that's why you don't see as much of a benefit there. You did see some, you know, decline from rates, and I'd say that, you know, that was about, you know, just over half a million dollars was the decline from a SOFR movement standpoint inside the quarter.
Dwayne Hyzak: Sure, Brian. Thanks for the question. I'd say the, to the second part, it is timing. I think a lot of the investment activity was back-ended. It was in the, you know, second half of the quarter, so that's why you don't see as much of a benefit there. You did see some, you know, decline from rates, and I'd say that, you know, that was about, you know, just over half a million dollars was the decline from a SOFR movement standpoint inside the quarter.
Speaker #4: It was in the second half of the quarter, so that's why you don't see as much of a benefit there. You did see some decline from rates, and I'd say that that was about just over half a million dollars was the decline from a SOFR movement standpoint inside the quarter.
Speaker #3: Okay, got it. That’s helpful. And then just given the commentary on the main call around the outlook for the lower middle market portfolio, and what will likely be some additional markups and realization events across that portfolio, it would seem like some of this is going to flow through to MSIS as well, similar to Q3 and Q4.
Brian McKenna: Okay, got it. That's helpful. Then just given the commentary on the main call around the outlook for the Lower Middle Market portfolio and what will likely be some additional markup and realization events across that portfolio, it would seem like some of this is going to flow through to MSIF as well, similar to Q3 and Q4. Given this dynamic and then the upside that's created in net assets from that, along with low levels of leverage today, is there an opportunity to lean in further on the buyback just so you start accreting even more NAV?
Brian McKenna: Okay, got it. That's helpful. Then just given the commentary on the main call around the outlook for the Lower Middle Market portfolio and what will likely be some additional markup and realization events across that portfolio, it would seem like some of this is going to flow through to MSIF as well, similar to Q3 and Q4. Given this dynamic and then the upside that's created in net assets from that, along with low levels of leverage today, is there an opportunity to lean in further on the buyback just so you start accreting even more NAV?
Speaker #3: So given this dynamic, and then the upside that's created in net assets from that, along with low levels of leverage today, is there an opportunity to lean in further on the buyback just so you start accruing even more NAV?
Speaker #4: Yes. I'd say, Brian, when you look at the benefit or the impact to MSC Income Fund, it will be the same as Main. Obviously, just a different allocation. Historically, Main Street had about 80% of lower middle market investments, and MSC Income Fund had 20%.
Dwayne Hyzak: Yes. I'd say, Brian, when you, when you look at it, the benefit or the impact to MSC Income Fund will be the same as Main, obviously, just a different allocation. Historically, Main Street had about 80% of Lower Middle Market investments, and MSC Income Fund had 20%. That's assuming they had liquidity at the time. In general, you're somewhere in that area code would be the sharing between Main Street and MSC Income Fund on historical Lower Middle Market investments. I think when you look at, you know, those proceeds, I think we'll just have to continue to look at what's the best use of that capital. Is it to, you know, provide a buyback or some other, you know, similar activity for the shareholders?
Dwayne Hyzak: Yes. I'd say, Brian, when you, when you look at it, the benefit or the impact to MSC Income Fund will be the same as Main, obviously, just a different allocation. Historically, Main Street had about 80% of Lower Middle Market investments, and MSC Income Fund had 20%. That's assuming they had liquidity at the time. In general, you're somewhere in that area code would be the sharing between Main Street and MSC Income Fund on historical Lower Middle Market investments. I think when you look at, you know, those proceeds, I think we'll just have to continue to look at what's the best use of that capital. Is it to, you know, provide a buyback or some other, you know, similar activity for the shareholders?
Speaker #4: That's assuming they had liquidity at the time. But in general, somewhere in that area code would be the sharing between Main Street and MSC Income Fund on historical lower middle market investments.
Speaker #4: I think when you look at those proceeds, we'll just have to continue to look at what's the best use of that capital.
Speaker #4: Is it to provide a buyback or some other similar activity for the shareholders? Is it to pay out more dividends, or is it to retain that capital?
Dwayne Hyzak: Is it to pay out, you know, more dividends, or is it to retain that capital, if we can do so on a, you know, tax cost-efficient basis, you know, retain that capital and grow the portfolio? We haven't had those significant realizations come through yet. You know, if we see that type of activity, those will be the three things we have to weigh and determine what's the best path for the fund and for the shareholders.
Dwayne Hyzak: Is it to pay out, you know, more dividends, or is it to retain that capital, if we can do so on a, you know, tax cost-efficient basis, you know, retain that capital and grow the portfolio? We haven't had those significant realizations come through yet. You know, if we see that type of activity, those will be the three things we have to weigh and determine what's the best path for the fund and for the shareholders.
Speaker #4: If we can do so on a tax cost-efficient basis, retain that capital, and grow the portfolio. So, we haven't had those significant realizations come through yet.
Speaker #4: But if we see that type of activity, those will be the three things we have to weigh and determine what's the best path for the fund and for the shareholders.
Brian McKenna: Got it. Thank you, Dwayne.
Brian McKenna: Got it. Thank you, Dwayne.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thank you.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Our next question is from Robert Dodd with Raymond James.
Operator: Our next question is from Robert Dodd with Raymond James.
Operator: Our next question is from Robert Dodd with Raymond James.
Robert Dodd: Hi, morning, guys. Several of them I've already answered on the prior call, but I do have one here. On the mix, right, I mean, you're at 36% Lower Middle Market at the end of December. Obviously, Mystic exited. Sounds like you're expecting several more realizations from the Lower Middle Market portfolio. There'll be some fair value appreciation probably there, and on the other hand, growth in the private loan portfolio as well. I'm just going to pull out a crystal ball first. What do you think the odds are that you get down close to, say, 20% Lower Middle Market by the end of this year or even the end of next year? Because that's where the fee trigger changes for the base management fee.
Speaker #5: Hi. Morning, guys. Several of my audience sit on the prior call, but I do have one here. On the mix, I mean, you're at 36% lower middle market at the end of December.
Robert Dodd: Hi, morning, guys. Several of them I've already answered on the prior call, but I do have one here. On the mix, right, I mean, you're at 36% Lower Middle Market at the end of December. Obviously, Mystic exited. Sounds like you're expecting several more realizations from the Lower Middle Market portfolio. There'll be some fair value appreciation probably there, and on the other hand, growth in the private loan portfolio as well. I'm just going to pull out a crystal ball first. What do you think the odds are that you get down close to, say, 20% Lower Middle Market by the end of this year or even the end of next year? Because that's where the fee trigger changes for the base management fee.
Speaker #5: Obviously, Mystic exited. Sounds like you're expecting several more realizations from the lower middle market portfolio, so there'll be some fair value appreciation probably there.
Speaker #5: And on the other hand, growth in the private loan portfolio as well. I'm just going to pull out a crystal ball. What do you think the odds are that you get down close to, say, 20% lower middle market by the end of this year or even the end of next year?
Speaker #5: Because that's where the fee trigger changes for the base management fee. So, with the expectations of realizations in the lower middle market, do you think it's actually going to shift the mix significantly over the next, say, 12 to 24 months?
Robert Dodd: You know, do you with the expectations of realizations in the Lower Middle Market, do you think it's actually going to shift the mix significantly over the next, say, 12 to 24 months?
Robert Dodd: You know, do you with the expectations of realizations in the Lower Middle Market, do you think it's actually going to shift the mix significantly over the next, say, 12 to 24 months?
Speaker #4: Sure. Sure, Robert. Thanks for the question. I’d say, similar to some of our comments in the past, I think the movement from where we are today with 36% lower middle market to being out of below 20%—that’s going to take an extended period of time.
Dwayne Hyzak: Sure, Robert, thanks for the question. I'd say, similar to some of our comments in the past, I think the movement from where we are today with, you know, 36% Lower Middle Market to being at or below 20%, that's going to take an extended period of time, and that's going to be the case for a couple of reasons. One, we think this is a huge positive, you know, for the investment portfolio. It's a very, very diversified portfolio, so there's no individual name on the Lower Middle Market side that I would say is significant. I think the largest name we have from memory is about 3.5%. Even if you exit that, you know, you'd have to have several of those, you know, exit.
Dwayne Hyzak: Sure, Robert, thanks for the question. I'd say, similar to some of our comments in the past, I think the movement from where we are today with, you know, 36% Lower Middle Market to being at or below 20%, that's going to take an extended period of time, and that's going to be the case for a couple of reasons. One, we think this is a huge positive, you know, for the investment portfolio. It's a very, very diversified portfolio, so there's no individual name on the Lower Middle Market side that I would say is significant. I think the largest name we have from memory is about 3.5%. Even if you exit that, you know, you'd have to have several of those, you know, exit.
Speaker #4: And that's going to be the case for a couple of reasons. One, and we think this is a huge positive for the investment portfolio, it's a very, very diversified portfolio.
Speaker #4: So there's no individual name on the lower middle market side that I would say is significant. I think the largest name we have, from memory, is about 3.5%.
Speaker #4: So even if you exit that, you'd have to have several of those exit. Obviously, trying to drop 16, 17 percent, you'd have to have five or six of them exit if they were all the same size.
Dwayne Hyzak: Obviously, trying to drop, you know, 16%, 17%, you'd have to have 5 or 6 of them exit if they were all the same size, but that's the largest. You've got a very diversified portfolio. As you exit these investments, it's just going to take time. I think when you, when you look at the other factor, and Mystic is a good example. You know, if you go back and look at the press release that was issued for the Mystic transaction, you know, we did realize the exit in Mystic, but in that situation, it was a merger with a larger, you know, kind of, you know, complementary business.
Dwayne Hyzak: Obviously, trying to drop, you know, 16%, 17%, you'd have to have 5 or 6 of them exit if they were all the same size, but that's the largest. You've got a very diversified portfolio. As you exit these investments, it's just going to take time. I think when you, when you look at the other factor, and Mystic is a good example. You know, if you go back and look at the press release that was issued for the Mystic transaction, you know, we did realize the exit in Mystic, but in that situation, it was a merger with a larger, you know, kind of, you know, complementary business.
Speaker #4: But that's the largest. So you've got a very diversified portfolio. So as you exit these investments, it's just going to take time. I think when you look at the other factor, and Mystic is a good example, if you go back and look at the press release that was issued for the Mystic transaction, we did realize the exit in Mystic.
Speaker #4: But in that situation, it was a merger with a larger kind of complementary business. So, as a result, the fund stayed in that investment for a part of its investment. Both debt and equity basically moved up the capital structure—from a larger equity investment relative to total investment to something that was more, firstly, in senior secured debt and a smaller equity investment.
Dwayne Hyzak: As a result, the, the fund stayed in that investment for a part of its investment, both debt and equity, basically moved up the capital structure from a larger equity investment relative to total investment to something that was more firstly senior secured debt and a smaller equity investment. That, you know, the, you know, some of those proceeds stayed invested in that business, which is now called UBM or United Business Mail, I think is the UBM stands for. You'll have some of that. You know, sometimes when we exit our Lower Middle Market companies, it's not a 100% full exit. You could have some rollover or continuation in the, in the, in the new business.
Dwayne Hyzak: As a result, the, the fund stayed in that investment for a part of its investment, both debt and equity, basically moved up the capital structure from a larger equity investment relative to total investment to something that was more firstly senior secured debt and a smaller equity investment. That, you know, the, you know, some of those proceeds stayed invested in that business, which is now called UBM or United Business Mail, I think is the UBM stands for. You'll have some of that. You know, sometimes when we exit our Lower Middle Market companies, it's not a 100% full exit. You could have some rollover or continuation in the, in the, in the new business.
Speaker #4: But the some of those proceeds stayed invested in that business, which is now called UBM or United Business Mail, I think is the UBM stands for.
Speaker #4: So you'll have some of that. So sometimes when we exit our lower middle market companies, it's not a 100% full exit. You could have some rollover or continuation in the new business.
Speaker #4: So again, like we said in the past, it's going to be a while. I'd say the biggest catalyst for bringing that percentage down is going to be less about the exits of the lower middle market investments.
Dwayne Hyzak: Again, like we said in the past, it's going to be a while. I'd say the biggest catalyst for bringing that percentage down is going to be less about the exits of the Lower Middle Market investments. It's going to be more about the growth of the portfolio, first through the additional debt capacity that the fund has, and then after that, you know, any other ability that we have to, you know, to grow the portfolio. The example would be, you know, XYZ company, say it's 3%, you know, that gets, you know, gets proceeds.
Dwayne Hyzak: Again, like we said in the past, it's going to be a while. I'd say the biggest catalyst for bringing that percentage down is going to be less about the exits of the Lower Middle Market investments. It's going to be more about the growth of the portfolio, first through the additional debt capacity that the fund has, and then after that, you know, any other ability that we have to, you know, to grow the portfolio. The example would be, you know, XYZ company, say it's 3%, you know, that gets, you know, gets proceeds.
Speaker #4: It's going to be more about the growth of the portfolio, first through the additional debt capacity that the fund has, and then after that, any other ability that we have to grow the portfolio.
Speaker #4: So the example would be XYZ Company. Say it's 3%. That gets proceeds. But then you take those proceeds, and to Brian's point from earlier, if you retain them as opposed to paying them out and use that retained capital to grow the business, that should get you closer to a 20% percentage over time as opposed to paying that out and not growing the portfolio.
Dwayne Hyzak: You take those proceeds, into Brian's point from earlier, if you retain them as opposed to paying them out and use that retained capital to grow the business, that should, you know, should get you closer to, you know, to a 20% percentage over time, as opposed to paying that out and not growing the portfolio. Those would be the ways that we would look at that transition.
Dwayne Hyzak: You take those proceeds, into Brian's point from earlier, if you retain them as opposed to paying them out and use that retained capital to grow the business, that should, you know, should get you closer to, you know, to a 20% percentage over time, as opposed to paying that out and not growing the portfolio. Those would be the ways that we would look at that transition.
Speaker #4: So, those would be the ways that we would look at that transition.
Speaker #5: Got it. Thank you.
Nick Meserve: Got it. Thank you.
Robert Dodd: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Robert.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thank you, Robert.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thank you, Robert.
Speaker #1: Our next question is from Kenneth Lee with RBC Capital Markets.
Operator: Our next question is from Kenneth Lee with RBC Capital Markets.
Operator: Our next question is from Kenneth Lee with RBC Capital Markets.
Speaker #6: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just one in terms of the portfolio leverage there, wondering if you could just share any updated outlook you might have just given the origination's pipeline, given the current environment, some of the opportunities you're seeing, now that you've gone past the regulatory limits there.
Kenneth Lee: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just one, in terms of the portfolio leverage there, I wonder if you could share any updated outlook you might have, just given the originations pipeline, given the current environment and some of the opportunities you're seeing, now that you've gone past the regulatory limits there. Thanks.
Kenneth Lee: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just one, in terms of the portfolio leverage there, I wonder if you could share any updated outlook you might have, just given the originations pipeline, given the current environment and some of the opportunities you're seeing, now that you've gone past the regulatory limits there. Thanks.
Speaker #6: Thanks.
Speaker #4: Yeah, sure, Ken. Thanks for the question and thanks for joining us. Yeah, I'd say we have the expanded regulatory leverage. We received that just with the passage of time.
Dwayne Hyzak: Yeah, sure. Sure, Ken. thanks for the question and thanks for joining us. Yeah, I'd say we have the expanded regulatory leverage. We received that just with the passage of time. You know, that happened at the end of January. In conjunction with that, we obviously have to go get the leverage. It's one thing to have the capacity, but you also have to, you know, have access to it. I'd say we've been actively working, you know, to get additional liquidity. Obviously, we haven't announced anything yet, but I think we feel good about where we sit in terms of the fund's ability, you know, to gain additional debt capacity, both, you know, secured and unsecured. We just have to go execute to it. I think we feel good about, you know, leverage.
Dwayne Hyzak: Yeah, sure. Sure, Ken. thanks for the question and thanks for joining us. Yeah, I'd say we have the expanded regulatory leverage. We received that just with the passage of time. You know, that happened at the end of January. In conjunction with that, we obviously have to go get the leverage. It's one thing to have the capacity, but you also have to, you know, have access to it. I'd say we've been actively working, you know, to get additional liquidity. Obviously, we haven't announced anything yet, but I think we feel good about where we sit in terms of the fund's ability, you know, to gain additional debt capacity, both, you know, secured and unsecured. We just have to go execute to it. I think we feel good about, you know, leverage.
Speaker #4: That happened at the end of January. So, in conjunction with that, we obviously have to go get the leverage. It's one thing to have the capacity, but you also have to have access to it.
Speaker #4: So, I'd say we've been actively working to get additional liquidity. Obviously, we haven't announced anything yet, but I think we feel good about where we sit in terms of the fund's ability to gain additional debt capacity, both secured and unsecured.
Speaker #4: We just have to go execute to it. So, I think we feel good about leverage. We feel good about liquidity. We just have to have those activities get finalized and get executed.
Dwayne Hyzak: We feel good about liquidity. We just got to, you know, have the, you know, have those activities, you know, get finalized and get executed.
Dwayne Hyzak: We feel good about liquidity. We just got to, you know, have the, you know, have those activities, you know, get finalized and get executed.
Speaker #6: Gotcha. Very helpful there. And just in terms of the private loan side, in terms of some of the more recent deals you've been seeing—some of the more recent investments there—I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about some of the spreads you're seeing, and then where your expectations around that go going forward.
Kenneth Lee: Gotcha. Very helpful there. Just in terms of the private loan side, in terms of some of the more recent deals you've been seeing, some of the more recent investments there, I wonder if you could talk a little bit more about some of the spreads you're seeing, and then what are your expectations around that go forward? Thanks.
Kenneth Lee: Gotcha. Very helpful there. Just in terms of the private loan side, in terms of some of the more recent deals you've been seeing, some of the more recent investments there, I wonder if you could talk a little bit more about some of the spreads you're seeing, and then what are your expectations around that go forward? Thanks.
Speaker #6: Thanks.
Speaker #4: Sure. I'll give a super high-level overview, and then I'll let Nick add on additional color. I'd say here more recently, in the last quarter or two, my view is that spreads have started to stabilize.
Dwayne Hyzak: Sure. I'll give super high level, and then I'll let Nick add on additional color. I'd say here more recently, the last Q or two, I'd say that, you know, our view or my view is that, you know, spreads have started to stabilize. They are less than they were, you know, 12 or 18 months ago. Overall, I think the, you know, the spreads have stabilized. I think that's, you know, likely because of some of the uncertainty in the marketplace. I think a bigger factor is just the overall increase in private equity activity as a whole, would be my view. Nick, you give your views or additional color.
Dwayne Hyzak: Sure. I'll give super high level, and then I'll let Nick add on additional color. I'd say here more recently, the last Q or two, I'd say that, you know, our view or my view is that, you know, spreads have started to stabilize. They are less than they were, you know, 12 or 18 months ago. Overall, I think the, you know, the spreads have stabilized. I think that's, you know, likely because of some of the uncertainty in the marketplace. I think a bigger factor is just the overall increase in private equity activity as a whole, would be my view. Nick, you give your views or additional color.
Speaker #4: They are less than they were 12 or 18 months ago, but overall, I think the spreads have stabilized. I think that's likely because of some of the uncertainty in the marketplace.
Speaker #4: I think a bigger factor is just the overall increase in private equity activity as a whole would be my view. But Nick, you give your views or additional color.
Speaker #3: Yeah, since the beginning of the third quarter, we've seen spreads kind of stabilize in that 5.00% to 5.50% range. I think what we have also seen is, I'd say, the outliers of maybe a deal at S plus 600 or 650—we're seeing less and less of those.
Nick Meserve: Yeah, I'd say since, you know, beginning of Q3, we've seen spreads kind of stabilize in that 5 to 550 range. I think what we have also seen is, I'd say, the outliers of maybe a deal at SOFR plus 600 or 650, we're seeing less and less of those. Really seeing a tighter, a band of pricing kind of in that 5 to 575 range on the wide end. You know, on the smaller end of deals that we focus on, we have not seen a lot of crossover to the 475. I think from a cost of capital perspective in the industry, once you dip below that, it gets tougher.
Nick Meserve: Yeah, I'd say since, you know, beginning of Q3, we've seen spreads kind of stabilize in that 5 to 550 range. I think what we have also seen is, I'd say, the outliers of maybe a deal at SOFR plus 600 or 650, we're seeing less and less of those. Really seeing a tighter, a band of pricing kind of in that 5 to 575 range on the wide end. You know, on the smaller end of deals that we focus on, we have not seen a lot of crossover to the 475. I think from a cost of capital perspective in the industry, once you dip below that, it gets tougher.
Speaker #3: And so, really seeing a tighter band of pricing, kind of in that 5% to 5.75% range on the wide end. On the smaller end of deals that we focus on, we have not seen a lot of crossover to the 4.75%.
Speaker #3: I think from a cost of capital perspective in the industry, once you dip below that, it gets tougher. And so I think we'll hopefully see that continue into 2026, and we would expect kind of a flattish year on spreads in that 5% to 5.50% range.
Nick Meserve: I think we'll hopefully see that for, you know, continue into 2026, and I think we would expect kind of a flattish year on spreads in that 5.50 range.
Nick Meserve: I think we'll hopefully see that for, you know, continue into 2026, and I think we would expect kind of a flattish year on spreads in that 5.50 range.
Speaker #6: Great. Very helpful. Thanks again.
Kenneth Lee: Great. Very helpful. Thanks again.
Kenneth Lee: Great. Very helpful. Thanks again.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Ken.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thanks, Ken.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thanks, Ken.
Speaker #1: Our next question is from Aaron Steganovich with Truth Financial.
Operator: Our next question is from Arren Cyganovich with Truist Financial.
Operator: Our next question is from Arren Cyganovich with Truist Financial.
Speaker #6: Thanks. I was wondering if you'd just provide a little detail on how the underlying portfolio companies are doing in general, and what you're seeing in terms of revenue, EBITDA, and growth trends you're seeing for the portfolio overall.
Arren Cyganovich: Thanks. I was wondering if you'd just provide a little detail on, you know, how the underlying portfolio companies are doing in general, and what you're seeing in terms of, you know, revenue, EBITDA growth, trends you're seeing for the portfolio overall?
Arren Cyganovich: Thanks. I was wondering if you'd just provide a little detail on, you know, how the underlying portfolio companies are doing in general, and what you're seeing in terms of, you know, revenue, EBITDA growth, trends you're seeing for the portfolio overall?
Speaker #4: Yeah, Aaron, thanks for the question. I'd say we in both the lower middle market and the private credit, I would say we're seeing consistent, good performance.
Dwayne Hyzak: Aaron, thanks for the question. I'd say we, in both the Lower Middle Market and the private credit, I would say we're seeing, you know, consistent good performance. You know, nothing, you know, significant one direction or another in terms of, you know, significant outperformance or underperformance. Obviously, having a big, diverse portfolio, you're always going to have some companies that are outperforming and others that are not performing in the way that, you know, we would want them to or where we expected them to. Overall, I wouldn't say there's been anything that is a significant change over the last couple of quarters in either direction. David, Nick, if you guys have a different view or anything you want to add?
Dwayne Hyzak: Aaron, thanks for the question. I'd say we, in both the Lower Middle Market and the private credit, I would say we're seeing, you know, consistent good performance. You know, nothing, you know, significant one direction or another in terms of, you know, significant outperformance or underperformance. Obviously, having a big, diverse portfolio, you're always going to have some companies that are outperforming and others that are not performing in the way that, you know, we would want them to or where we expected them to. Overall, I wouldn't say there's been anything that is a significant change over the last couple of quarters in either direction. David, Nick, if you guys have a different view or anything you want to add?
Speaker #4: Nothing significant one direction or another in terms of significant outperformance or underperformance. Obviously, having a big, diverse portfolio, you're always going to have some companies that are outperforming and others that are not performing in the way that we would want them to or where we expected them to.
Speaker #4: But overall, I wouldn't say there's been anything that is a significant change over the last couple of quarters in either direction. David, Nick, if you guys have a different view or anything you want to add.
Speaker #5: Nothing to add.
Nick Meserve: Nothing to add.
Nick Meserve: Nothing to add.
Speaker #3: Yeah, nothing there.
Kenneth Lee: Yeah, nothing there.
Kenneth Lee: Yeah, nothing there.
Speaker #6: Thanks. And then, on the LMM portfolio kind of coming down over time, can you remind me of what's the planned long-term? Is there always going to be some element of LMM?
Arren Cyganovich: Thanks. Then on the LMM portfolio kind of coming down over time, can you remind me of what's the plan long term? Is there always going to be some element of LMM? I mean, I see that as personally view the LMM portfolio as a net positive, given the, you know, history you've had in terms of equity realizations with a lot of those investments.
Arren Cyganovich: Thanks. Then on the LMM portfolio kind of coming down over time, can you remind me of what's the plan long term? Is there always going to be some element of LMM? I mean, I see that as personally view the LMM portfolio as a net positive, given the, you know, history you've had in terms of equity realizations with a lot of those investments.
Speaker #6: I mean, I see that as, personally, I view the LMM portfolio as a net positive, given the history you've had in terms of equity realizations with a lot of those investments.
Speaker #4: Yeah, and I'd say the plan there is that eventually—I just don't know when 'eventually' is—could be 10, 15, 20 years. Eventually, lower middle market as it sits today will eventually get to a very, very small amount and eventually zero.
Dwayne Hyzak: Yeah, I'd say the, you know, the plan there, is that eventually, I just don't know when eventually is, could be 10, 15, 20 years. Eventually, Lower Middle Market, as it sits today, you will eventually get to a very, very small amount and eventually zero. The reason I say that is because the fund strategy after the listing at the end of January 2025, is that it will not make any new Lower Middle Market investments. It will continue to support and participate in any add-on or follow-on investments in existing companies, just like we talked about, related to Mystic and UBM.
Dwayne Hyzak: Yeah, I'd say the, you know, the plan there, is that eventually, I just don't know when eventually is, could be 10, 15, 20 years. Eventually, Lower Middle Market, as it sits today, you will eventually get to a very, very small amount and eventually zero. The reason I say that is because the fund strategy after the listing at the end of January 2025, is that it will not make any new Lower Middle Market investments. It will continue to support and participate in any add-on or follow-on investments in existing companies, just like we talked about, related to Mystic and UBM.
Speaker #4: And the reason I say that is because the fund strategy after the listing at the end of January 2025 is that it will not make any new lower middle market investments.
Speaker #4: It will continue to support and participate in any add-on or follow-on investments in existing companies, just like we talked about related to Mystic and UBM.
Dwayne Hyzak: We've, you know, we have also had a number of companies in Q4 and Q1 that have had follow-on investment opportunities. The fund is going to participate in those on a pro rata basis with Main Street. Because of that, it's going to take a long time, but eventually, even though we have a permanent, you know, holding period ability on our side at MSC Income Fund and at Main Street, our partners typically don't. You know, they're individuals, they're going to age out, they're going to want to retire. In certain situations, their management team might be able to buy them out and give them full liquidity. Most situations, you know, that likely, you know, results in a transaction where the company is sold to a third party in most situations.
Dwayne Hyzak: We've, you know, we have also had a number of companies in Q4 and Q1 that have had follow-on investment opportunities. The fund is going to participate in those on a pro rata basis with Main Street. Because of that, it's going to take a long time, but eventually, even though we have a permanent, you know, holding period ability on our side at MSC Income Fund and at Main Street, our partners typically don't. You know, they're individuals, they're going to age out, they're going to want to retire. In certain situations, their management team might be able to buy them out and give them full liquidity. Most situations, you know, that likely, you know, results in a transaction where the company is sold to a third party in most situations.
Speaker #4: We have also had a number of companies in the fourth quarter and first quarter that have had follow-on investment opportunities, and the fund is going to participate in those on a pro rata basis with Main Street.
Speaker #4: So because of that, it's going to take a long time, but eventually, even though we have a permanent holding period ability on our side at MSC Income Fund and at Main Street, our partners typically don't.
Speaker #4: They're individuals. They're going to age out. They're going to want to retire. And, in certain situations, their management team might be able to buy them out and give them full liquidity.
Speaker #4: But in most situations, that likely results in a transaction where the company is sold to a third party. In most situations. So that's going to be the driver.
Dwayne Hyzak: That's, you know, that's going to be the driver. It's just going to take a long time. I think longer term, we view that as a positive for the fund. You know, the fund's goal is to produce a very consistent, well-covered dividend, you know, covered by recurring interest income. As you have investments in the Lower Middle Market that have a mix of debt and equity, as they get, you know, repaid, exited, and we take those proceeds and deploy them into first lien, senior secured private loan investment opportunities, one, you're moving up the capital structure from a risk standpoint. You're also generating more consistent contractual predictable income. We think that's consistent with the fund's plan, and that is, you know, that is our expectation or our intent.
Dwayne Hyzak: That's, you know, that's going to be the driver. It's just going to take a long time. I think longer term, we view that as a positive for the fund. You know, the fund's goal is to produce a very consistent, well-covered dividend, you know, covered by recurring interest income. As you have investments in the Lower Middle Market that have a mix of debt and equity, as they get, you know, repaid, exited, and we take those proceeds and deploy them into first lien, senior secured private loan investment opportunities, one, you're moving up the capital structure from a risk standpoint. You're also generating more consistent contractual predictable income. We think that's consistent with the fund's plan, and that is, you know, that is our expectation or our intent.
Speaker #4: It's just going to take a long time. I think longer term, we view that as a positive for the fund. The fund's goal is to produce a very consistent, well-covered dividend, covered by recurring interest income.
Speaker #4: So, as you have investments in the lower middle market that have a mix of debt and equity, as they get repaid or exited, and we take those proceeds and deploy them into first lien, senior secured private loan investment opportunities, one, you're moving up the capital structure from a risk standpoint; you're also generating more consistent, contractual, predictable income.
Speaker #4: So we think that's consistent with the fund's plan. And that is our expectation or our intent. Longer term—and we do not have anything planned here—but longer term, Main Street is always looking for different avenues or opportunities to create value from an investment standpoint.
Dwayne Hyzak: Longer term, and this is, do not have anything planned here, but longer term, Main Street is always looking for different, you know, avenues or opportunities to create value from an investment standpoint. There's nothing that Main Street is doing today. If Main Street as a platform decides to enter into a new strategy that we think is attractive for Main Street, you know, then we would offer that to MSC Income Fund. We have to have a agreement with the MSC Income Fund board. If it was attractive to Main Street, I would, you know, bet that it's, you know, there's a good chance it's attractive to MSC Income Fund, as long as it's supportive with the Fund's goal, as I said earlier, with producing a very consistent, well-covered, you know, kind of highly predictable dividend.
Dwayne Hyzak: Longer term, and this is, do not have anything planned here, but longer term, Main Street is always looking for different, you know, avenues or opportunities to create value from an investment standpoint. There's nothing that Main Street is doing today. If Main Street as a platform decides to enter into a new strategy that we think is attractive for Main Street, you know, then we would offer that to MSC Income Fund. We have to have a agreement with the MSC Income Fund board. If it was attractive to Main Street, I would, you know, bet that it's, you know, there's a good chance it's attractive to MSC Income Fund, as long as it's supportive with the Fund's goal, as I said earlier, with producing a very consistent, well-covered, you know, kind of highly predictable dividend.
Speaker #4: There's nothing that Main Street is doing today, but if Main Street as a platform decides to enter into a new strategy that we think is attractive for Main Street, then we would offer that to MSC Income Fund.
Speaker #4: We have to have an agreement with the MSC Income Fund board, but if it was attractive to Main Street, I would bet that there's a good chance it's attractive to MSC Income Fund as long as it's supportive of the fund's goal, as I said earlier, of producing a very consistent, well-covered, kind of highly predictable dividend.
Speaker #4: So, I think you could see something else change, but longer term, as we sit here today, it’s more status quo, and it’s just going to take a while for the lower middle market portfolio to roll off.
Dwayne Hyzak: I think you could see something else change, but longer term, you know, as we sit here today, it's more status quo, and it's just gonna take a while for, you know, for the Lower Middle Market portfolio to roll off.
Dwayne Hyzak: I think you could see something else change, but longer term, you know, as we sit here today, it's more status quo, and it's just gonna take a while for, you know, for the Lower Middle Market portfolio to roll off.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
[Analyst]: Thank you.
Arren Cyganovich: Thank you.
Dwayne Hyzak: You're welcome.
Dwayne Hyzak: You're welcome.
Speaker #4: You're welcome.
Speaker #1: Our next question is from Doug Harter with UBS.
Operator: Now, our next question is from Douglas Harter with UBS.
Operator: Now, our next question is from Douglas Harter with UBS.
Douglas Harter: Thanks. Mindful of your prior answer about needing to get the leverage facilities, can you just remind us what the target leverage is?
Speaker #7: Thanks. Mindful of your prior answer about needing to get the leverage, facilities, can you just remind us what the target leverage is?
Douglas Harter: Thanks. Mindful of your prior answer about needing to get the leverage facilities, can you just remind us what the target leverage is?
Speaker #4: Sure, thanks for your question. Yeah, our target leverage under the new expanded regulatory leverage range is going to be 1.15 to 1.25 debt to equity.
Dwayne Hyzak: Sure.
Dwayne Hyzak: Sure.
Nick Meserve: Yeah. Thanks for your question. Yeah, our target leverage under the new expanded regulatory leverage range is gonna be 1.15 to 1.25 debt to equity.
Nick Meserve: Yeah. Thanks for your question. Yeah, our target leverage under the new expanded regulatory leverage range is gonna be 1.15-1.25 debt to equity.
Speaker #7: Got it. And do you expect that to change as the mix shifts away from lower middle markets? Just, how should we think about the inherent leverage of the two strategies?
Douglas Harter: Got it. Do you expect that to change as, you know, kind of as the mix shifts away from Lower Middle Market? Just, you know, how should we think about the inherent, you know, leverage of the two strategies?
Douglas Harter: Got it. Do you expect that to change as, you know, kind of as the mix shifts away from Lower Middle Market? Just, you know, how should we think about the inherent, you know, leverage of the two strategies?
Speaker #4: Yeah, I would say, as we sit here today, I would not expect it to change. I think we always want to have some reasonable amount of flexibility and liquidity.
Dwayne Hyzak: Yeah, I would say, as we sit here today, I would not expect it to change. I think we always wanna have some reasonable amount of flexibility and liquidity. I think, you know, if you start going above that, just from our perspective or my perspective, I think it starts getting tight. I think that, you know, that 1.15 to 1.25 is probably a pretty good range. I think as you have the portfolio migrate from Lower Middle Market to private loan, that's when you probably move up inside of that range. As we sit here today, I would not expect us to go above that range.
Dwayne Hyzak: Yeah, I would say, as we sit here today, I would not expect it to change. I think we always wanna have some reasonable amount of flexibility and liquidity. I think, you know, if you start going above that, just from our perspective or my perspective, I think it starts getting tight. I think that, you know, that 1.15 to 1.25 is probably a pretty good range. I think as you have the portfolio migrate from Lower Middle Market to private loan, that's when you probably move up inside of that range. As we sit here today, I would not expect us to go above that range.
Speaker #4: So, I think if you start going above that, just from our perspective—from my perspective—I think it starts getting tight. So, I think that 1.15 to 1.25 is probably a pretty good range.
Speaker #4: I think as you have the portfolio migrate from lower middle market to private loan, that's when you probably move up inside of that range.
Speaker #4: But, as we sit here today, I would not expect us to go above that range.
Speaker #7: Great. Appreciate the answer.
Douglas Harter: Great. Appreciate the answer.
Douglas Harter: Great. Appreciate the answer.
Speaker #4: All right. Thank you.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thank you.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Our next question is from Mickey Schleen with Leidenberg Thaumen.
Operator: Our next question is from Mickey Schleien with Ladenburg Thalmann.
Operator: Our next question is from Mickey Schleien with Ladenburg Thalmann.
Mickey Schleien: Yes, good morning, everyone. Dwayne, your software allocation at about 7%, it's not particularly high, you know, but it is meaningful. I'd love to hear what your thesis is on the impact of AI on these companies, and, you know, how have you been underwriting investments in those companies over the last couple of years?
Speaker #7: Yes, good morning, everyone. Dwayne, your software allocation at about 7%—it's not particularly high, but it is meaningful. So I'd love to hear what your thesis is on the impact of AI on these companies, and how you have been underwriting investments in those companies over the last couple of years?
Mickey Schleien: Yes, good morning, everyone. Dwayne, your software allocation at about 7%, it's not particularly high, you know, but it is meaningful. I'd love to hear what your thesis is on the impact of AI on these companies, and, you know, how have you been underwriting investments in those companies over the last couple of years?
Speaker #4: Sure. Sure, Mickey. Thanks for the question and thanks for joining us. As you said, the fund's exposure to software is very limited—kind of that mid-single-digit type percentage.
Dwayne Hyzak: Sure, Mickey. Thanks for the question, and thanks for joining us. As you said, you know, the fund's exposure to software is very limited. You know, kind of that mid-single digit type percentage. Inside of that, and you've probably heard us say this, you know, before, just given your longer-term history with Main Street over the years, you know, we, as a platform, are very much, you know, value-based or value-focused investors. Software, particularly high-growth software, you know, think about some of the stuff you hear about in the industry, you know, ARR-type loans or, you know, loans where you expect a bunch of growth before the loan can, you know, be serviced from a debt service standpoint. Those are things that just don't fit our profile.
Dwayne Hyzak: Sure, Mickey. Thanks for the question, and thanks for joining us. As you said, you know, the fund's exposure to software is very limited. You know, kind of that mid-single digit type percentage. Inside of that, and you've probably heard us say this, you know, before, just given your longer-term history with Main Street over the years, you know, we, as a platform, are very much, you know, value-based or value-focused investors. Software, particularly high-growth software, you know, think about some of the stuff you hear about in the industry, you know, ARR-type loans or, you know, loans where you expect a bunch of growth before the loan can, you know, be serviced from a debt service standpoint. Those are things that just don't fit our profile.
Speaker #4: Inside of that, you've probably heard us say this before, just given your longer-term history with Main Street over the years. We, as a platform, are very much value-based or value-focused investors.
Speaker #4: So, software—particularly high-growth software—think about some of the stuff you hear about in the industry: AR-type loans, or loans where you expect a bunch of growth before the loan can be serviced from a debt service standpoint.
Speaker #4: Those are things that just don't fit our profile. They never have, and they don't today. So that's why, when we look at our exposure here, even though we've got kind of a mid-single-digit type percentage exposed to software, we think those software names are pretty well protected.
Dwayne Hyzak: They never have, and they don't today. That's why, you know, when we look at our exposure here, even though we've got, you know, kind of a, you know, a mid-single digit type percentage exposed to software, you know, we think those software names are pretty well protected. Obviously, you know, they and we are talking about their exposures to AI, but as we sit here today, you know, we're not. There's nothing there that we're overly concerned about. Mickey, if you wanna add any additional color there, any different, any different takes on it.
Dwayne Hyzak: They never have, and they don't today. That's why, you know, when we look at our exposure here, even though we've got, you know, kind of a, you know, a mid-single digit type percentage exposed to software, you know, we think those software names are pretty well protected. Obviously, you know, they and we are talking about their exposures to AI, but as we sit here today, you know, we're not. There's nothing there that we're overly concerned about. Mickey, if you wanna add any additional color there, any different, any different takes on it.
Speaker #4: Obviously, they—and we—are talking about their exposures to AI, but as we sit here today, there's nothing there that we're overly concerned about.
Speaker #4: And Nick, if you want to add any additional color there, any different takes on it?
Nick Meserve: Yeah, like, as Dwayne said, we just didn't really focus. We haven't historically focused on, I'd say, high growth from a software space, and we won't do that going forward. I think our exposure we do have there is a little less exposed, or we're a little insulated from some of the AI boom, as there's just less growth there. I think we focus a little more on infrastructure software versus, you know, pure growth, you know, SaaS software.
Nick Meserve: Yeah, like, as Dwayne said, we just didn't really focus. We haven't historically focused on, I'd say, high growth from a software space, and we won't do that going forward. I think our exposure we do have there is a little less exposed, or we're a little insulated from some of the AI boom, as there's just less growth there. I think we focus a little more on infrastructure software versus, you know, pure growth, you know, SaaS software.
Speaker #3: As Dwayne said, we just didn't really focus. We have historically focused on, I'd say, high growth in the software space. And we won't do that going forward.
Speaker #3: And so, I think our exposure we do have there is a little less exposed, or we're a little insulated from some of the AI boom, as there's just less growth there.
Speaker #3: I think we've focused a little more on infrastructure software versus pure growth SaaS software.
Speaker #7: So, when you refer to infrastructure software, are you referring to sort of enterprise-level software that's really ingrained into the portfolio company's operations?
Mickey Schleien: When you refer to infrastructure software, are you referring to sort of enterprise-level software that's really, you know, ingrained into the portfolio company's operations?
Mickey Schleien: When you refer to infrastructure software, are you referring to sort of enterprise-level software that's really, you know, ingrained into the portfolio company's operations?
Speaker #4: Yeah, to that degree. I think a lot of times it'll be a different moat they might have, or it's more of a niche software for a very specific industry.
Nick Meserve: Yeah, to that degree. I think a lot of times it'll be a, you know, different moat they might have, or it's more of a niche software, for a very specific industry. Those, I think, would be less impacted by AI as you go forward. They eventually will have that impact, but I think that's where we focus historically.
Nick Meserve: Yeah, to that degree. I think a lot of times it'll be a, you know, different moat they might have, or it's more of a niche software, for a very specific industry. Those, I think, would be less impacted by AI as you go forward. They eventually will have that impact, but I think that's where we focus historically.
Speaker #4: Those, I think, would be less impacted by AI as you go forward. They eventually will have that impact, but I think that's where we've focused historically.
Speaker #7: Okay, thank you for that. Those are all my questions this morning. I appreciate your time.
Mickey Schleien: Okay, thank you for that. Those are all my questions this morning. Appreciate your time.
Mickey Schleien: Okay, thank you for that. Those are all my questions this morning. Ap
Mickey Schleien: preciate your time.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Mickey.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thank you, Mickey.
Dwayne Hyzak: Thank you, Mickey.
Speaker #1: Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to hand the floor back to management for any closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to hand the floor back to management for any closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to hand the floor back to management for any closing remarks.
Speaker #4: Yeah, we just want to thank everyone again for joining us this morning. We appreciate the continued support of the fund shareholders, and we look forward to our next update call in May after the release of our results for the first quarter.
Dwayne Hyzak: We just want to thank everyone again for joining us this morning. We appreciate the continued support of the fund shareholders, and we look forward to our next update call in May after the release of our results for Q1. Thank you.
Dwayne Hyzak: We just want to thank everyone again for joining us this morning. We appreciate the continued support of the fund shareholders, and we look forward to our next update call in May after the release of our results for Q1. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you again for your participation.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you again for your participation.