Q4 2025 Gibson Energy Inc Earnings Call

February 18, 2026

Beth Pollock: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Gibson Energy Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Conference Call. Please be advised that this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Beth Pollock, Vice President, Capital Markets and Corporate Development. Ms. Pollock, please go ahead.

Operator: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Gibson Energy Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Conference Call. Please be advised that this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Beth Pollock, Vice President, Capital Markets and Corporate Development. Ms. Pollock, please go ahead.

Speaker #1: I would now like to turn the meeting over to Beth Pollock, Vice President, Capital Markets and Corporate Development. Ms. Pollock, please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Tawanda, and good morning. Thank you for joining us to discuss Gibson Energy's fourth quarter and full year 2025 results. Joining me on the call today are Curtis Philippon, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Riley Hicks, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Beth Pollock: Thank you, Tawanda, and good morning. Thank you for joining us to discuss Gibson Energy's Q4 and full year 2025 results. Joining me on the call today are Curtis Philippon, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Riley Hicks, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Additional members of our senior management team are also present to assist with the question and answer portion of the call. Listeners are reminded that today's call will reference non-GAAP financial measures and forward-looking information, which are subject to certain assumptions and risks. Descriptions and reconciliations of these measures, as well as related disclosures, are available in our investor presentation and continuous disclosure documents on SEDAR+ and on our website. I will now turn the call over to Curtis.

Speaker #2: Additional members of our senior management team are also present to assist with the question-and-answer portion of the call. Listeners are reminded that today's call will reference non-GAAP financial measures and forward-looking information, which are subject to certain assumptions and risks.

Speaker #2: Descriptions and reconciliations of these measures, as well as related disclosures, are available in our investor presentation and continuous disclosure documents on Cedar Plus and on our website.

Speaker #2: I will now turn the call over to Curtis.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Beth. And good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to discuss Gibson's fourth quarter and full year 2025 results. I'll begin with a few highlights and then turn it over to Riley to walk through our financial results and balance sheet.

Curtis Philippon: Thank you, Beth, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to discuss Gibson's Q4 and full year 2025 results. I'll begin with a few highlights and then turn it over to Riley to walk through our financial results and balance sheet before I conclude the call with some closing remarks. At the outset of 2025, we established five strategic priorities: safety, Gateway execution, growth, high-performance teams, and cost discipline. Over the course of 2025, we delivered on our key objectives across each of these areas, exiting the year delivering infrastructure segment growth and a clear line of sight to the next phase of our growth, as outlined at our December Investor Day. From a safety perspective, we surpassed 10 million hours without a lost time injury, and safely completed two major turnarounds at our Moose Jaw facility and the Hardisty Diluent Recovery Unit.

Speaker #3: Before I conclude the call with some closing remarks, at the outset of 2025, we established five strategic priorities: safety, gateway execution, growth, high-performance teams, and cost discipline.

Speaker #3: Over the course of 2025, we delivered on our key objectives across each of these areas: exiting the year delivering infrastructure segment growth and a clear line of sight to the next phase of our growth as outlined at our December investor day.

Speaker #3: From a safety perspective, we surpassed $10 million without a lost time injury and safely completed two major turnarounds at our Moose Shaw facility and the Hardesty-Dilliant recovery unit.

Speaker #3: Most notably, we are proud to finish 2025 as the top-performing midstream company in North America on the key metric of total recordable injury frequency.

Curtis Philippon: Most notably, we are proud to finish 2025 as the top-performing midstream company in North America on the key metric of total recordable injury frequency. At Gateway, we successfully executed both the dredging project and the Cactus II pipeline connection, increasing throughput to a new high water mark of 815,000 barrels per day in January 2026, and delivering on our 15 to 20% run rate EBITDA growth objective in Q4, that was established when we acquired the asset in 2023. During Q4, we sanctioned the $50 million Wink to Gateway integration project, which will enhance supply optionality and increase throughput capacity. The project is expected to enter service in Q3. The cost focus campaign was a success.

Speaker #3: At gateway, we successfully executed both the dredging project and the Cactus 2 pipeline connection, increasing throughput to a new high-water mark of 850,000 barrels per day in January.

Speaker #3: And delivering on our 15 to 20 percent run rate EBITDA growth objective in the fourth quarter that was established when we acquired the asset in 2023.

Speaker #3: During the fourth quarter, we sanctioned the $50 million wink-to-gateway integration project, which will enhance supply optionality and increase throughput capacity. The project is expected to enter service in the third quarter.

Speaker #3: The cost focus campaign was a success. In 2025, we generated more than $25 million of recurring and non-recurring cost savings increasing DCF per share by 8%.

Curtis Philippon: In 2025, we generated more than $25 million of recurring and non-recurring cost savings, increasing DCF per share by 8%. This efficient and cost-competitive focus sets us up well for continued success. Finally, on the people front, we've built a strong team that delivered on our goals this year. This group is passionate about supporting our customers exceptionally well and is well-positioned to lead us into a successful 2026. Turning to the financials, our 2025 results reflect the successful execution of our crude oil infrastructure strategy. We delivered record infrastructure adjusted EBITDA of $622 million for the full year, including a new quarterly high water mark in the fourth quarter. Infrastructure throughput across our core terminals increased approximately 13% or 95 million barrels year over year.

Speaker #3: This efficient and cost-competitive focus sets us up well for continued success. Finally, on the people front, we've built a strong team that delivered on our goals this year.

Speaker #3: This group is passionate about supporting our customers exceptionally well and is well positioned to lead us into a successful 2026. Turning to the financials, our 2025 results reflect the successful execution of our crude oil infrastructure strategy.

Speaker #3: We delivered record infrastructure-adjusted EBITDA of $622 million for the full year, including a new quarterly high-water mark in the fourth quarter. Infrastructure throughput across our core terminals increased approximately 13% or 95 million barrels year over year.

Speaker #3: This performance was driven primarily by higher volumes at Gateway and Edmonton, as well as the completion of the dredging, Cactus II, and Baytax infrastructure capital projects during the year.

Curtis Philippon: This performance was driven primarily by higher volumes at Gateway in Edmonton, as well as the completion of the dredging Cactus II and Baytex infrastructure capital projects during the year. The strength and quality of our cash flows improved as we renewed several major long-term contracts, all between 10 and 20 years in duration, across our Edmonton and Hardisty terminals. These take-or-pay extensions increased our contract backlog by approximately CAD 500 million. The renewals, supported by high-quality counterparties, included senior integrated energy companies and a multinational refiner, reinforced the strength and sustainability of our cash flows. Complementing our infrastructure growth, last week, we announced that we had entered into an agreement to acquire Teine Energy's Chauvin crude oil infrastructure assets for CAD 400 million. This acquisition is expected to close in Q2 2026, subject to regulatory approvals.

Speaker #3: The strength and quality of our cash flows improved as we renewed several major long-term contracts. All between 10 and 20-year in duration, across our Edmonton and Hardesty terminals.

Speaker #3: These take-or-pay extensions increased our contract backlog by approximately 500 million dollars. The renewals supported by high-quality counterparties included senior integrated energy companies, and a multinational refiner.

Speaker #3: Reinforced the strength and sustainability of our cash flows. Complementing our infrastructure growth, last week we announced that we had entered into an agreement to acquire Tine Energy's Chauvin crude oil infrastructure assets for $400 million.

Speaker #3: This acquisition is expected to close in the second quarter of 2026, subject to regulatory approvals. The Chauvin pipeline will strengthen our Hardesty platform by extending our connectivity into the prolific Manville stack, adding long-term contracted cash flows, and providing near-term expansion opportunities.

Curtis Philippon: The Chauvin Pipeline will strengthen our Hardisty platform by extending our connectivity into the prolific Mannville stack, adding long-term contracted cash flows, and providing near-term expansion opportunities, including the Gibson Hardisty Connection Project, which was set, announced, and conditionally sanctioned, subject to regulatory approvals. The transaction was executed at a mid-7x multiple, with a clear path to less than 7x as we execute on identified growth and optimization opportunities. We expect the transaction to be mid-single digit accretive to distributable cash flow per share, with the proceeds of the CAD 215 million equity financing that closed yesterday. The acquisition will be leverage neutral, with our investment-grade credit ratings confirmed by both DBRS and S&P. At Investor Day, we outlined a clear roadmap to deliver over 7% annual infrastructure EBITDA growth over the next 5 years.

Speaker #3: Including the Gibson Hardesty connection project, which is announced and conditionally sanctioned subject to regulatory approvals. The transaction was executed at a mid-seven-times multiple, with a clear path to less than seven times as we execute on identified growth and optimization opportunities.

Speaker #3: We expect the transaction to be mid-single-digit accretive to distributed cash flow per share. With the proceeds of the $250 million equity financing that closed yesterday, the acquisition will be leverage neutral, with our investment-grade credit ratings confirmed by both DBRS and S&P.

Speaker #3: At Investor Day, we outlined a clear roadmap to deliver over 7% annual infrastructure EBITDA growth over the next five years. The progress achieved in 2025, combined with our recent Chauvin acquisition and its associated growth projects, positions us well to execute on this plan.

Curtis Philippon: The progress achieved in 2025, combined with our recent Chauvin acquisition and its associated growth projects, positions us well to execute on this plan. I'll now turn the call over to Riley.

Speaker #3: I'll now turn the call over to Riley. Thank you, Curtis. 2025 was a strong year for Gibson. And I'll walk through our fourth quarter and full year financial results.

Riley Hicks: Thank you, Curtis. 2025 was a strong year for Gibson, and I'll walk through our Q4 and full year financial results, followed by an update on our financial position and capital allocation priorities. Our focus remains unchanged: disciplined financial management, maintaining a strong balance sheet, and adhering to our financial principles. These principles helped lead us to a strong Q4 and a record year from an infrastructure standpoint, reflecting the quality and resilience of our crown jewel asset base. In the Q4, infrastructure delivered record Adjusted EBITDA of approximately CAD 160 million, driven by contributions from recently completed capital projects, continued strong performance across our terminal network, and the full quarter benefit of the Gateway dredging work completed earlier in 2025. Touching quickly on our marketing segment, the business continued to operate in a challenging environment during the quarter....

Speaker #3: Followed by an update on our financial position and capital allocation priorities. Our focus remains unchanged: disciplined financial management, maintaining a strong balance sheet, and adhering to our financial principles.

Speaker #3: These principles helped lead us to a strong fourth quarter and a record year from an infrastructure standpoint. Reflecting the quality and resilience of our crown jewel asset base.

Speaker #3: In the fourth quarter, infrastructure delivered record-adjusted EBITDA of approximately $160 million. Driven by contributions from recently completed capital projects, continued strong performance across our terminal network, and the full quarter benefit of the gateway dredging work completed earlier in 2025.

Speaker #3: Touching quickly on our marketing segment, the business continued to operate in a challenging environment during the quarter. Tight heavy oil differentials, limited crude storage opportunities, and seasonal asphalt storage reduced available arbitrage during the quarter.

Riley Hicks: Tight, heavy oil differentials, limited crude storage opportunities, and seasonal asphalt storage reduced available arbitrage during the quarter. As a result, marketing adjusted EBITDA was approximately $1 million. While this is at the low end of our previously communicated guidance range, it represents a $6 million improvement over the fourth quarter of last year. As we think about our business holistically, marketing now represents a smaller portion of consolidated EBITDA, underscoring the increasing stability and contracted nature of our cash flow profile. Looking ahead, we are reiterating our previously communicated marketing guidance range of $0 to 10 million per quarter. Market conditions in Canada remain efficient, and we have not seen a structural shift away from crude backwardation.

Speaker #3: As a result, marketing-adjusted EBITDA was approximately $1 million. While this is at the low end of our previously communicated guidance range, it represents a $6 million improvement over the fourth quarter of last year.

Speaker #3: As we think about our business holistically, marketing now represents a smaller portion of consolidated EBITDA, underscoring the increasing stability and contracted nature of our cash flow profile.

Speaker #3: Looking ahead, we are reiterating our previously communicated marketing guidance range of 0 to 10 million per quarter. Market conditions in Canada remain efficient, and we have not seen a structural shift away from crude backwardation.

Speaker #3: On a consolidated basis, Gibson generated adjusted EBITDA of approximately $145 million in the fourth quarter. Reflecting strong infrastructure performance and an increase of 15 million dollars compared to the prior year.

Riley Hicks: On a consolidated basis, Gibson generated adjusted EBITDA of approximately $145 million in the fourth quarter, reflecting strong infrastructure performance and an increase of $15 million compared to the prior year. Distributable cash flow for the quarter was approximately $79 million, representing an increase of $8 million compared to the fourth quarter of 2024. Turning to our full year results, 2025 was a great year for Gibson. Infrastructure adjusted EBITDA totaled $622 million, up from $601 million last year, driven mainly by higher volumes at Gateway and Edmonton, the success of our cost savings initiative, and contributions from key capital projects coming online. Marketing adjusted EBITDA totaled approximately $15 million for the year, reflecting a challenging environment for both crude marketing and our refined products business.

Speaker #3: Distributable cash flow for the quarter was approximately $79 million, representing an increase of $8 million compared to 2024. Turning to our full year results, 2025 was a great year for Gibson.

Speaker #3: Infrastructure-adjusted EBITDA totaled $622 million, up from $601 million last year. Driven mainly by higher volumes at gateway and Edmonton, the success of our cost savings initiative, and contributions from key capital projects coming online.

Speaker #3: Marketing-adjusted EBITDA totaled approximately $15 million for the year, reflecting a challenging environment for both crude marketing and our refined products business. As a result, consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $581 million, and distributable cash flow was approximately $337 million.

Riley Hicks: As a result, consolidated Adjusted EBITDA was CAD 581 million, and Distributable Cash Flow was approximately CAD 337 million. Looking at our current financial position, we remain aligned with our financial principles, maintaining a strong balance sheet and meaningful capital flexibility. We remain prudent capital allocators, focused on maximizing long-term shareholder value through investing in high-quality infrastructure projects, as shown by our strategic acquisition of the Chauvin infrastructure assets. Following the announcement of this acquisition, alongside two actionable growth projects, we have now adjusted our 2026 growth capital outlook to reflect CAD 100 million of organic growth capital. This includes capital related to our previously sanctioned Wink to Gateway integration project. The change in outlook reflects our continued focus on disciplined, customer-backed infrastructure growth, while ensuring we preserve our balance sheet strength.

Speaker #3: Looking at our current financial position, we remain aligned with our financial principles. Maintaining a strong balance sheet and meaningful capital flexibility. We remain prudent capital allocators, focused on maximizing long-term shareholder value through investing in high-quality infrastructure projects.

Speaker #3: As shown by our strategic acquisition of the Chauvin infrastructure assets. Following the announcement of this acquisition, alongside two actionable growth projects, we have now adjusted our 2026 growth capital outlook to reflect $100 million of organic growth capital.

Speaker #3: This includes capital related to our previously sanctioned Wink to Gateway integration project. The change in outlook customer-backed infrastructure growth, while ensuring we preserve our balance sheet strength.

Speaker #3: At year-end, net debt to adjusted EBITDA was approximately $3.9 times. Reflecting the timing of capital deployment and lower marketing contributions in 2025. With full-year EBITDA contributions from recently completed projects and a reduction in growth capital to $100 million in 2026, we expect leverage to trend down lower over the course of the year.

Riley Hicks: At year-end, net debt to Adjusted EBITDA was approximately 3.9 times, reflecting the timing of capital deployment and lower marketing contributions in 2025. With full-year EBITDA contributions from recently completed projects and a reduction in growth capital to CAD 100 million in 2026, we expect leverage to trend down lower over the course of the year. On an infrastructure-adjusted basis, leverage was approximately 4 times, which is consistent with our commitment to maintain infrastructure leverage at or below that level. Importantly, as part of our recent transaction, both S&P and DBRS have reaffirmed our stable investment-grade credit ratings. Our dividend payout ratio was approximately 84% on a trailing twelve-month basis. Over the long term, we continue to target a sustainable payout range of 70% to 80% of distributable cash flow.

Speaker #3: On an infrastructure-adjusted basis, leverage was approximately four times, which is consistent with our commitment to maintain infrastructure leverage at or below that level. Importantly, as part of our recent transaction, both S&P and DBRS have reaffirmed our stable investment-grade credit ratings.

Speaker #3: Our dividend payout ratio was approximately 84% on a trailing 12-month basis. Over the long term, we continue to target a sustainable payout range of 70 to 80 percent of distributable cash flow.

Speaker #3: On an infrastructure-only basis, the payout was 78%, which is comfortably below our target of less than 100%. As our infrastructure segment continues to grow and become a larger proportion of our earnings, we expect our consolidated payout ratios to migrate towards our long-term range.

Riley Hicks: On an infrastructure-only basis, the payout was 78%, which is comfortably below our target of less than 100%. As our infrastructure segment continues to grow and become a larger proportion of our earnings, we expect our consolidated payout ratios to migrate towards our long-term range. The continued growth of our high-quality infrastructure cash flows during the year supports our seventh consecutive annual dividend increase, bringing the quarterly dividend to CAD 0.45 per share, an increase of 5% year-over-year. We remain focused on delivering long-term value for our shareholders as we enter 2026 from a position of strength. I will now pass the call back to Curtis for his closing remarks.

Speaker #3: The continued growth of our high-quality infrastructure cash flows during the year supports our seventh consecutive annual dividend increase, bringing the quarterly dividend to $45 per share.

Speaker #3: An increase of 5% year over year. We remain focused on delivering long-term value for our shareholders, as we enter 2026 from a position of strength.

Speaker #3: I will now pass the call back to Curtis for his closing remarks. In closing, we made meaningful progress in 2025 as we executed on our five key priorities: safety, gateway execution, growth, high-performance teams, and cost discipline.

Curtis Philippon: In closing, we made meaningful progress in 2025 as we executed on our five key priorities: safety, gateway execution, growth, high-performance teams, and cost discipline. We also delivered record infrastructure results, marked by a new high-water mark in Q4. As we start 2026, we are once again focused on five strategic priorities: maintaining our industry-leading safety performance, increasing the utilization of our assets, growing our infrastructure business, advancing technology and AI-driven initiatives to drive efficiency, and further enhancing the high-performance ownership culture. We also look forward to integrating the Chauvin Pipeline into our portfolio, subject to regulatory approvals. With continued discipline and focus, we are confident Gibson is well-positioned for its next phase of infrastructure-led growth and to deliver on the Investor Day strategy from a position of strength. With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator to open the line for questions.

Speaker #3: We also delivered record infrastructure results, marked by a new high watermark in Q4. As we start 2026, we are once again focused on five strategic priorities: maintaining our industry-leading safety performance, increasing the utilization of our assets, growing our infrastructure business, advancing technology and AI-driven initiatives to drive efficiency, and further enhancing the high-performance ownership culture.

Speaker #3: We also look forward to integrating the Chauvin pipeline into our portfolio, subject to regulatory approvals. With continued discipline and focus, we are confident Gibson is well positioned for its next phase of infrastructure-led growth and to deliver on the investor-day strategy from a position of strength.

Speaker #3: With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator to open the line for questions.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask the question, please press star 11 on your telephone. Then wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again.

Beth Pollock: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone, then wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Aaron McNeil with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone, then wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Aaron McNeil with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Speaker #1: Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Aaron McNeil with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Speaker #4: Hey, morning all. Thanks for taking my questions. Curtis presumably you looked at a lot of opportunities prior to pursuing the TINE acquisition. How should we think about M&A for Gibson going forward?

Riley Hicks: Hey, morning, all. Thanks for taking my questions. Curtis, presumably, you looked at a lot of opportunities prior to pursuing the Teine acquisition.

Aaron MacNeil: Hey, morning, all. Thanks for taking my questions. Curtis, presumably, you looked at a lot of opportunities prior to pursuing the Teine acquisition.

Aaron MacNeil: ... How should we think about M&A for Gibson going forward? Would you describe this as a bit of a unique opportunity, or was there a bit more depth to the M&A opportunity set?

Speaker #4: Would you describe this as a bit of a unique opportunity or was there a bit more depth to the M&A opportunity set?

Curtis Philippon: Hey, Warner. We definitely look at a lot of different things. I'd say a year ago, we were very focused on Gateway execution, and it was important for us to be delivering on that significant acquisition we did back in 2023. And so a year ago, although we were looking at a lot of things, we were cautious on that. We wanted to make sure we delivered well on Gateway. But over the last year, we proved that we could deliver well on Gateway. I think that ability to go deliver on that project, combined with, at a macro level, when we look at the opportunity set out there, we see some interesting opportunities for M&A. That got us more active over the last six months, looking at a wide range of different opportunities.

Speaker #3: Hey, morning Eric. We definitely look at a lot of different things. I'd say a year ago, we were very focused on gateway execution. And it was important for us to be delivering on that significant acquisition we did back in 2023.

Speaker #3: And so a year ago, although we were looking at a lot of things, we were cautious on that. We wanted to make sure we delivered well on gateway.

Speaker #3: But over the last year, we proved that we could deliver well on gateway. I think that ability to go deliver on that project combined with that macro level when we look at the opportunity set out there, we see some interesting opportunities for M&A that got us more active over the last six months looking at a wide range of different opportunities.

Speaker #3: In particular, we were looking for things that were crude-focused, connected to our current platform, and ideally just continued to drive that same contract profile, customer quality profile that we're looking for.

Curtis Philippon: In particular, we are looking for things that were crude-focused, connected to our current platform, and ideally, just continued to drive that same contract profile, customer quality profile that we're looking for. So I think there's a few things out there we looked hard at. Chauvin is just a perfect fit. You know, Hardisty is our backyard. That's where we've been for 70 years. It's the core crown jewel of the Gibson asset base. And so when the opportunity came up to add Chauvin to the story and help extend the reach of that Hardisty platform, that was the most attractive one that we wanted to act on.

Speaker #3: So I think there's a few things out there we looked hard at. Chauvin is just a perfect fit. The hardest fee is our backyard, that's where we've been for 70 years.

Speaker #3: It is the core crown jewel of the Gibson asset base. And so when the opportunity came up to add Chauvin to the story and help extend the reach of that hardest-fee platform, that was the most attractive one that we wanted to act on.

Speaker #4: Makes sense. Switching gears and fully appreciating that you've reiterated the 0 to 10 million dollar marketing guidance, but we're starting to observe some positive signals for this business, including higher apportionment levels on Enbridge, Mainline, storage levels ticking up, wider heavy oil differentials, although maybe not for the same reasons we've seen in the past.

Aaron MacNeil: Makes sense. Switching gears and fully appreciating that you've reiterated the CAD 0 to 10 million marketing guidance, but we're starting to observe some positive signals for this business, including, you know, higher apportionment levels on Enbridge Mainline, storage levels ticking up, wider heavy oil differentials, you know, although maybe not for the same reasons we've seen in the past. But appreciating that this is all early days, what would you sort of guide us to in terms of, you know, looking for market signals or variables that we should be looking at as we think about the outlook for the segment?

Speaker #4: But appreciating that this is all early days, what would you sort of guide us to in terms of looking for market signals or variables that we should be looking at as we think about the outlook for the segment?

Speaker #3: Yeah, I think it's fair to say we're encouraged by some slightly wider diffs and a few positive indicators out there. I would completely agree with your assessment, although this is early days.

Curtis Philippon: I think it's fair to see we're encouraged by some slightly wider dips and a few positive indicators out there. I would completely agree with your assessment, though, that this is early days. If you look at our track record over the last year, we've been firmly in that 0 to CAD 10 million a quarter range. I expect that's where we're going to be in 2026 as well. You know, there's still very low levels of storage out there right now, and so each of these volatility events that happen that in the past maybe drove higher marketing earnings have a much more muted effect in an environment where you have very low crude inventories.

Speaker #3: If you look at our track record over the last year, we've been firmly in that 0 to 10 million dollars a quarter range. I expect that's where we're going to be in 2026 as well.

Speaker #3: There's still very low levels of storage out there right now. And so, each of these volatility events that happen—that in the past maybe drove higher marketing earnings—have a much more muted effect in an environment where you have very low crude inventories.

Speaker #3: And so I think that'll persist through the year, is what my expectations are. And so, I think you'll see a fairly muted year for marketing.

Curtis Philippon: And so I think that'll persist through the year, is what my expectations are, and so I think you'll see a fairly muted year for marketing. You know, the big thing you would look for is we're still a very backwardated market, and so I think that'd be the one thing to maybe watch for. If you get into a contango market, that's a significant shift, and we've been in this backwardated market for quite a long period of time. In time, that will change, and there'll be contango opportunities that provide a great opportunity for Gibson to use its assets well to capitalize on that. But until you see that, I think you'll still be in that 0 to 10 range.

Speaker #3: The big thing you would look for is we're still a very backward-dated market. And so I think that'd be the one thing to maybe watch for if you get into a contango market.

Speaker #3: That's a significant shift. And we've been in this backward-dated market for quite a long period of time. In time, that will change, and there'll be contango opportunities that provide a great opportunity for Gibson to use its assets well to capitalize on that.

Speaker #3: But until you see that, I think you'll still be in that 0 to 10 range.

Speaker #4: Fair enough. Thanks, Curtis. I'll turn it back.

Aaron MacNeil: Fair enough. Thanks, Curtis. I'll turn it back.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonette with JP Morgan Security. The line is open.

Beth Pollock: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet with JP Morgan Securities. Your line is open.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet with JP Morgan Securities. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Hey, this is Eli on for Jeremy. Just wanted to start on the expansion opportunities at Chauvin. Can you just provide some incremental color on the timing and return profile here and how these stack up against other opportunities across the portfolio and also get you to the kind of that 5 to 7 acquisition multiple that you highlighted?

Jeremy Tonet: Hey, this is Eli, on for Jeremy. Just wanted to start on the expansion opportunities at Chauvin. Can you just provide some incremental color on the timing and return profile here, and how these stack up against other opportunities across the portfolio, and also get you to the, kind of that 5 to 7 acquisition multiple that you, that you highlighted? Thanks.

[Analyst] (J.P. Morgan Securities): Hey, this is Eli, on for Jeremy. Just wanted to start on the expansion opportunities at Chauvin. Can you just provide some incremental color on the timing and return profile here, and how these stack up against other opportunities across the portfolio, and also get you to the, kind of that 5 to 7 acquisition multiple that you, that you highlighted? Thanks.

Speaker #5: Thanks.

Speaker #3: Yeah, thanks, Eli. As we messaged right out of the gate, we see a number of interesting growth projects that come with Chauvin. That's one of the really attractive things about Chauvin is it really gives us a nice runway of growth projects over the next few years.

Curtis Philippon: Yeah. Thanks, Eli. As we messaged right out of the gate, we see a number of interesting, growth projects that come with Chauvin. It's one of the really attractive things about Chauvin is it really gives us a nice runway of growth projects over the next few years. But immediately out of the gates, once we're closed, there's 2 projects that we see acting on. One is the Hardisty Connection Project to connect the Chauvin Pipeline into our Hardisty Gibson facility. And so that is one that we'll sanction immediately after regulatory closing. We expect that is roughly a 12-month type process from that period, from when we officially sanction it. And then the second one is the expansion project, and the expansion project is exciting.

Speaker #3: But immediately out of the gates, once we're closed, there's two projects that we see acting on. One is the hardest fee connection project to connect the Chauvin pipeline into our hardest fee Gibson facility.

Speaker #3: And so that is one that we'll sanction immediately after regulatory closing. We expect that is roughly a 12-month process from that period from when we officially sanction it.

Speaker #3: And then the second one is the expansion project. And the expansion project's exciting. It's the pipeline is currently operating at near full at sort of 30,000 barrels a day capacity.

Curtis Philippon: The pipeline is currently operating at near full, at sort of 30,000 barrels/day capacity, and we see an opportunity to expand that to 45,000 barrels/day, and have some pretty, you know, I think an interesting opportunity with that. So the timing on that is realistically anywhere from 18 to 24 months from the closing of the transaction for all of the work involved with the preparation and the execution of that expansion. Overall, we've messaged that we did this acquisition at a mid 7x multiple. Those two projects are strong, and those two projects will immediately drive this acquisition into a sub 7x multiple range.

Speaker #3: And we've seen opportunity to expand that to 45,000 barrels a day. And have some pretty I think an interesting opportunity with that. So the timing on that is realistically anywhere from 18 to 24 months from the closing of the transaction for all of the work involved with the preparation and the execution of that expansion.

Speaker #3: Overall, we've messaged that we did this acquisition at a mid 7 times multiple. Those two projects are strong. And those two projects will immediately drive this acquisition into a sub 7 times multiple range.

Speaker #4: Awesome. And then I know the transaction was leverage neutral, and you have added some kind of attractive growth CapEx that you can continue to chip away at.

Jeremy Tonet: Awesome. And then, you know, I know the transaction was leverage neutral and, you know, you have added some kind of attractive growth CapEx that you can continue to chip away at, but can you just kind of, post-transaction close, reframe the overall capital allocation, waterfall and, you know, how you kind of see growth CapEx shaping up versus other competing priorities? And maybe just whether buybacks remain part of the story longer term. Thanks.

[Analyst] (J.P. Morgan Securities): Awesome. And then, you know, I know the transaction was leverage neutral and, you know, you have added some kind of attractive growth CapEx that you can continue to chip away at, but can you just kind of, post-transaction close, reframe the overall capital allocation, waterfall and, you know, how you kind of see growth CapEx shaping up versus other competing priorities? And maybe just whether buybacks remain part of the story longer term. Thanks.

Speaker #4: But can you just kind of, post-transaction close, reframe the overall capital allocation waterfall and how you kind of see growth capex shaping up versus other competing priorities? And maybe just whether buybacks remain part of the story longer term?

Speaker #4: Thanks.

Speaker #3: Yeah, thanks, Eli. It's Riley. We priorities. They really haven't changed. So we think about funding our business first, which means maintaining a strong balance sheet investing in infrastructure growth and funding our dividend.

Riley Hicks: ... Yeah. Thanks, Eli, it's Riley. When we think about capital allocation, our, our priorities, they really haven't changed. So, you know, we think about funding our business first, which means maintaining a strong balance sheet, investing in infrastructure growth, and funding our dividend. And so, as we sit today, buybacks are certainly a great tool that we can have in our toolkit, but as we look at our balance sheet today, we'll need to see that kind of get back into our 3 to 3.5 times range before we would start to consider those buybacks. And then they would have to compete for capital allocation with the great infrastructure projects that we see ahead of us. So, you know, we're gonna continue to be prudent and disciplined and invest in our business.

Speaker #3: And so as we sit today, buybacks are certainly a great tool that we can have in our toolkit. But as we look at our balance sheet today, we'll need to see that kind of get back into our 3 to 3 and a half times range before we would start to consider those buybacks.

Speaker #3: And then they would have to compete for capital allocation with the great infrastructure projects that we see ahead of us. So we're going to continue to be prudent and disciplined, and invest in our business.

Speaker #4: All right. Thanks, guys.

Beth Pollock: All right. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sam Birrell with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Operator: All right. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sam Birrell with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sam Burrell with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Hey, good morning, guys. Just another one on the Chauvin acquisition. Just curious, what attributes of the asset make you most confident in being able to sanction the expansion?

[Analyst] (Jefferies): Hey, good morning, guys. Just another one on the Chauvin acquisition. Just curious, like, what attributes of the asset make you most confident in being able to sanction the expansion? Is it just the amount of volumes that are currently trucked, or the production growth profile, or anything else? And then sort of piggybacking onto that, is there an opportunity to meaningfully take up the take-or-pay portion of the capacity on the pipeline?

Sam Burwell: Hey, good morning, guys. Just another one on the Chauvin acquisition. Just curious, like, what attributes of the asset make you most confident in being able to sanction the expansion? Is it just the amount of volumes that are currently trucked, or the production growth profile, or anything else? And then sort of piggybacking onto that, is there an opportunity to meaningfully take up the take-or-pay portion of the capacity on the pipeline?

Speaker #5: Is it just the amount of volumes that are currently trucked or the production growth profile or anything else? And then sort of piggybacking onto that, is there an opportunity to meaningfully take up the take-or-pay portion of the capacity on the pipeline?

Speaker #3: Yeah, morning, Sam. Yeah, we'll get this excited. This is our backyard. So we know it quite well. We know the customer is quite well in that area.

Curtis Philippon: Yeah. Morning, Sam. Yeah, what gets us excited is this is our backyard, so we know it quite well. We know the customers quite well in that area, and we know the geology in that area is driving a lot of great activity there. So the pipe is already running at near capacity. We see a very actual path that you can expand that capacity and achieve some very good utilization, even on the expanded pipe. So feel very confident on that. As far as shifting it to a take-or-pay structure on the expanded capacity, absolutely, that's part of our strategy, but we're, you know, still very early days. This transaction's not even closed yet.

Speaker #3: And we know the geology in that area is driving a lot of great activity there. So the pipe is already running at near capacity.

Speaker #3: We see a very actionable path that you can expand that capacity and achieve some very good utilization even on the expanded pipe. So, feel very confident on that.

Speaker #3: As far as shifting it to a take-or-pay structure on the expanded capacity, absolutely, that's part of our strategy. But we're still very early days.

Speaker #3: The transaction's not even closed yet. But I think with a midstreamer now owning the pipe, I think you see a slightly different strategy coming in now for us to be able to partner with our customers to perhaps look at different take-or-pay structures.

Curtis Philippon: But I think with a midstreamer now owning the pipe, I think you'll see a slightly different strategy coming in now for us to be able to partner with our customers to perhaps look at different Take-or-Pay structures. And I would point that specifically, we see a lot of really interesting opportunities to extend the reach of the pipe, and that there's a number of our customers that are currently needing to truck the last leg into into the Chauvin pipe to get access to it. And we think there's a really interesting opportunity for us to help help them find a net back win by extending the pipe reach and tie that in perhaps to some Take-or-Pay structure on the contract as well.

Speaker #3: And I would point at specifically, we see a lot of really interesting opportunities to extend the reach of the pipe and that there's a number of our customers that are currently needing to truck the last leg into the Chauvin pipe to get access to it.

Speaker #3: And we think there's a really interesting opportunity for us to help them find a net back win by extending the pipe reach and tie that in perhaps to some take-or-pay structure on the contract as well.

Speaker #5: Okay, that certainly makes sense. And the next one sort of touches on Venezuela and obviously it's still very, very early. But I'm curious, for your view on whether you think that more Venezuelan barrels hitting pad three, coming onto the Gulf Coast, and presumably taking the pad three slate heavier might offer you greater opportunities around more exports from Gateway of light crews and possibly making expansion projects down there more viable?

[Analyst] (Jefferies): Okay, that certainly makes sense. And the next one sort of touches on Venezuela, and obviously, it's still very, very early. But I'm curious for your view on whether you think that more Venezuelan barrels hitting Pad Three, coming onto the Gulf Coast, and presumably taking the Pad Three slate heavier, might offer you greater opportunities around more exports from Gateway of light crudes and possibly making expansion projects down there more viable?

Sam Burwell: Okay, that certainly makes sense. And the next one sort of touches on Venezuela, and obviously, it's still very, very early. But I'm curious for your view on whether you think that more Venezuelan barrels hitting Pad Three, coming onto the Gulf Coast, and presumably taking the Pad Three slate heavier, might offer you greater opportunities around more exports from Gateway of light crudes and possibly making expansion projects down there more viable?

Speaker #3: Yeah, interesting. I think Venezuela obviously we're watching Venezuela closely. I think it's interesting. One, I think as everybody's saying, I think there's still a lot of question marks around what exactly plays out in Venezuela.

Curtis Philippon: Yeah, interesting. I think Venezuela, obviously, we're watching Venezuela closely. I think it's interesting. One, I think, well, as everybody's saying, I think there's still a lot of question marks around what exactly plays out in Venezuela, and there's still a lot of work to do to actually see a sustained increase in production that and a sustained shift in where those volumes are going to have a meaningful impact on that. I'd say Gibson is in a unique position to see upside around that, though, both in if there is an impact on diffs, potentially, there's an impact for Gibson's marketing business that you could perhaps see from Venezuela crude coming into there. Perhaps you could make the leap to increasing activity around Gateway.

Speaker #3: And there's still a lot of work to do to actually see a sustained increase in production, and a sustained shift in where those volumes are going, to have a meaningful impact on that.

Speaker #3: I'd say Gibson is in a unique position to see upside around that, though, both in if there is an impact on diffs potentially, there's an impact for Gibson's marketing business that you've perhaps seen for Venezuela crew coming into there.

Speaker #3: Perhaps you could make the leap to increasing activity around Gateway. One of the interesting observations some of our customers have made around Gateway is that just perhaps some of the change in flows, and the fact that the US has a greater influence on those flows of crude coming out of Venezuela, just increases the amount of ship traffic in the area that's sort of controlled by customers and sort of entities that are out of the US.

Curtis Philippon: You know, one of the interesting observations some of our customers have made around Gateway is that just perhaps some of the change in flows and the fact that the US has a greater influence on those flows of crude coming out of Venezuela just increases the amount of ship traffic in the area that's sort of controlled by customers and sort of entities that are out of the US. And that's helpful for our Gateway customers for getting ease of access to ships to have efficient shipping out of Gateway. And so it's a bit of a unique, unexpected upside that we're hearing from our customers of perhaps some sort of shipping efficiency increasing with the Venezuela changes.

Speaker #3: And that's helpful for our Gateway customers for getting ease of access to ships to have efficient shipping out of Gateway. And so it's a bit of a unique unexpected upside that we're hearing from our customers of perhaps some sort of shipping efficiency increasing with the Venezuela changes.

Speaker #5: Okay, understood. Thank you.

[Analyst] (Jefferies): Okay, understood. Thank you.

Sam Burwell: Okay, understood. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Hope with Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Beth Pollock: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Hope with Scotia Bank. Your line is open.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Hope with Scotia Bank. Your line is open.

Robert Hope: Morning, everyone. So wanna go back to M&A. So Tango was a nice tuck-in. How does the M&A pipeline look for further tuck-ins? Are you seeing nice deal flow, or, you know, do you wanna take a little time to integrate that asset before getting back on the hunt?

Speaker #6: Morning, everyone. So I want to go back to M&A. So time was a nice tuck-in. How does the M&A pipeline look for further tuck-ins?

Speaker #6: Are you seeing nice deal flow or do you want to take a little time to integrate that asset before getting back on the hunt?

Speaker #3: Yeah, we're going to keep—we'll keep looking at it. I think, at a macro level, Rob, what I think is super interesting is that there's been such a rush towards gas assets in the overall market that I think that creates an interesting opportunity for Gibson, which has a crude-focused strategy. There are some excellent crude assets out there that are potentially not the top focus for some companies that are perhaps shifting a bit more towards some gas-focused assets.

Curtis Philippon: Yeah, we're gonna keep looking at it. I think at a macro level, Rob, what I think is super interesting is that there's been such a rush towards gas assets in the overall market, that I think that creates an interesting opportunity for Gibson that has a crude-focused strategy. That there are some excellent crude assets out there that are potentially not the top focus for some companies that are perhaps shifting a bit more towards some gas-focused assets. And we love those crude assets. We think those crude assets with the right attributes and the right location are gonna be things that are gonna be great assets for the rest of our lifetime. And we'll be active in looking at those, both in Canada and in the US....

Speaker #3: And we love those crude assets. We think those crude assets, with the right attributes and the right location, are going to be things that are going to be great assets for the rest of our lifetime.

Speaker #3: And we'll be active in looking at those both in Canada and in the US. In saying all that, we're a pretty disciplined operator. And so Chauvin was a big deal for us.

Curtis Philippon: In saying all that, we're a pretty disciplined operator, and so Chauvin was a big deal for us. We're gonna be focused in 2026 on executing well on integrating that in and making sure we deliver on everything around that. And so, we'll keep looking, but I would caution that if you look at our pace through our last big deal back in 2023, we did this one this year. I wouldn't look for us to dramatically increase the pace of M&A activity. We'll be active and look at it, but it really does take two people to get a deal done, though, so we'll see on what actually transpires.

Speaker #3: We're going to be focused in 2026 on executing well on integrating that in and making sure we deliver on everything around that. And so we'll keep looking, but I would caution that if you look at our pay suit, our last big deal back in 2023, we did this one this year.

Speaker #3: I wouldn't look for us to dramatically increase the pace of M&A activity. We'll be active and look at it. It really does take two people to get a deal done, though.

Speaker #3: So, we'll see on what actually transpires.

Speaker #6: All right, appreciate that. Switching gears. At the December Investor Day, you spoke about 7% plus infrastructure growth out to 2030. How does the tie-in acquisition and the associated accretion change your thinking there?

Robert Hope: All right. Appreciate that. Switching gears. At the December investor day, you spoke about 7%+ infrastructure growth out to 2030. You know, how does the Teine acquisition, you know, and the associated accretion change your thinking there? You know, do you view this growth outlook as significantly de-risk, or are you looking at potentially, you know, upside versus the prior outlook?

Speaker #6: Do you view this growth outlook as significantly de-risked, or are you looking at potential upside versus the prior outlook?

Speaker #3: Yeah, when we talked about those numbers back in December, obviously Chauvin was fairly well advanced at that time. And so we looked at the Chauvin asset or similar-type assets as part of the story of how you got to this confidence around an over 7% infrastructure EBITDA per share growth rate.

Curtis Philippon: Yeah, when we talked about those numbers back in December, obviously, Chauvin was fairly well advanced at that time. And so we looked at the Chauvin asset or similar type assets as part of the story of how you got to this confidence around an over 7% infrastructure EBITDA per share growth rate. And so I would say that this nicely supports, de-risks, and is sort of perfectly aligned with the strategy we laid out at the investor day, but it doesn't sort of dramatically increase that rate. We still have that same confidence that sort of above 7% is what you should be expecting.

Speaker #3: And so I would say that this nicely supports and de-risked and is sort of perfectly aligned with the strategy we laid out at the Investor Day.

Speaker #3: But it doesn't sort of dramatically increase that rate. We'd still have that same confidence that sort of above 7% is what you should be expecting.

Speaker #6: Appreciate that. Thank you.

Robert Hope: Appreciate that. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that's *1-1* to ask the question. Our next question comes from the line of Maurice Choi with RBC Capital Markets.

Beth Pollock: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that's star one one to ask the question. Our next question comes from the line of Maurice Choi with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Operator: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that's star one one to ask the question. Our next question comes from the line of Maurice Choi with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker #1: Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Thank you. And good morning, everyone. I just wanted to come back to the philosophy of transactions. You mentioned earlier that strategically and from a risk perspective, crude focus connected to current platforms and having similar contract and counterparty profiles were important to you.

Operator: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Just wanted to come back to the philosophy of transactions. You mentioned earlier that strategically and from a risk perspective, crude focus connected to current platforms and having similar contract and counterparty profiles were important to you. Can you also speak philosophically to the financial and funding priorities when you look at some of these wide range of opportunities?

Maurice Choy: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Just wanted to come back to the philosophy of transactions. You mentioned earlier that strategically and from a risk perspective, crude focus connected to current platforms and having similar contract and counterparty profiles were important to you. Can you also speak philosophically to the financial and funding priorities when you look at some of these wide range of opportunities?

Speaker #5: Can you also speak philosophically to the financial and funding priorities when you look at some of these wide range of opportunities?

Speaker #3: Yeah, sure. It's Riley here. So when we think about funding, obviously, we go back to kind of our financial positioning and maintaining our flexibility.

Riley Hicks: Yeah, sure, Mo. It's Riley here. So when we think about funding, obviously, we go back to kind of our financial positioning and maintaining our flexibility. And so when we looked at this one specifically, given where our leverage was, we felt it was most prudent to do a leverage-neutral transaction. To the extent our balance sheet was in a different position and we were a little bit less levered, we would have maybe thought about not doing equity and doing it fully from the balance sheet. But everything is gonna be done in the context of maintaining or improving our investment-grade credit ratings. And so that's really the critical factor. That's massively important to our strategy, and so we think about funding in that context.

Speaker #3: And so, when we looked at this one specifically, given where our leverage was, we felt it was most prudent to do a leverage-neutral transaction.

Speaker #3: To the extent our balance sheet was in a different position and we were a little bit less levered, we would have maybe thought about not doing equity and doing it fully from the balance sheet.

Speaker #3: But everything is going to be done in the context of maintaining or improving our investment-grade credit ratings. And so that's really the critical factor.

Speaker #3: That's massively important to our strategy. And so we think about funding in that context.

Speaker #5: Understood. And then maybe along the same vein here, on a leverage for the year, I recall that pre-transaction around mid-year this year, you would have reached your 3 to 3 and a half times net EBITDA target range.

Operator: Understood. And then maybe along the same vein here, on a leverage for the year, I recall the pre-transaction around midyear this year, you would have reached your 3 to 3.5x the EBITDA target range. And I recognize that a Chauvin transaction is leverage neutral. Just want to know what your outlook is for this metric. Any steps you consider to, you know, be in that range, especially if marketing does stay flat this year?

Maurice Choy: Understood. And then maybe along the same vein here, on a leverage for the year, I recall the pre-transaction around midyear this year, you would have reached your 3 to 3.5x the EBITDA target range. And I recognize that a Chauvin transaction is leverage neutral. Just want to know what your outlook is for this metric. Any steps you consider to, you know, be in that range, especially if marketing does stay flat this year?

Speaker #5: And I recognize that, at the Chauvin transaction, this is leverage-neutral. I just wanted to know what your outlook is for this metric, and any steps you consider to be in that range, especially if marketing does stay flat this year.

Speaker #3: Yeah, I think we're seeing marketing remain muted, and so likely getting back to that 3.5 range is kind of as we go through 2026 now.

Riley Hicks: Yeah, I think we're seeing marketing remain muted, and so likely getting back to that 3.5 range is kind of as we go through 2026 now. You know, I will say, though, given where our infrastructure leverage is, we're quite confident with our balance sheet and where we're positioned today. You know, marketing is in a trough, and we still remain well below our kind of our infrastructure leverage targets. And importantly, we did discuss with both S&P and DBRS on the back of this transaction, our profile, and they're quite comfortable with where we are and reaffirmed our ratings. So we will see us delever through the year, but it's likely through 2026 and not fully done in the first half now.

Speaker #3: I will say, though, given where our infrastructure leverage is, we're quite confident with our balance sheet and where we're positioned today. Marketing is in a trough, and we still remain well below our kind of our infrastructure leverage targets.

Speaker #3: And importantly, we did discuss with both S&P and DBRS on the back of this transaction, our profile and they're quite comfortable with where we are and reaffirmed our rating.

Speaker #3: So we will see us de-lever through the year, but it's likely through 2026 and not fully done in the first half now.

Speaker #5: Understood. Thank you.

Operator: Understood. Thank you.

Maurice Choy: Understood. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Benjamin Pham with BMO. Your line is open.

Beth Pollock: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Benjamin Pham with BMO. Your line is open.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Benjamin Pham with BMO. Your line is open.

Speaker #6: Hi, thanks. Good morning. I'd just go back to the Chauvin transaction and the multiple that you highlighted—the mid-7 times. I'm curious, my question is more: when we look at transactions in North America, and even looking at acquisitions versus, again, growth...

Benjamin Pham: Hi. Thanks. Good morning. Just go back to the Chauvin transaction and the multiple that you highlighted, the mid-7x. I'm curious. My question is more, you know, when we look at transactions in North America and even looking at acquisitions for, again, growth, so we don't typically see multiples being similar in that vein. Can you share context on maybe just your observations of acquisitions in the multiples, and are there any specific characteristics that resulted in a quite attractive multiple for Chauvin?

Speaker #6: So, we don't typically see multiples being similar in that vein. Can you share your context on maybe just your observations of acquisitions and the multiples?

Speaker #6: And if any specific characteristics that resulted in quite attractive multiple for Chauvin?

Speaker #3: Yeah, on the multiple side, I think it's a fair it was a fair price for both ourselves and Thai. And I think from I don't want to comment too much on Thai's perspective, but I think it was important for both of us to recognize that this was a long-term agreement that we're entering into a 15-year agreement with a partnering with the Thai, and they were doing the same thing.

Curtis Philippon: Yeah. On the multiple side, I think it's a fair – it was a fair price for both ourselves and Teine. I think from a... I don't want to comment too much on Teine's perspective, but I think it was important for both of us to recognize that this is a long-term agreement, that we're entering into a 15-year agreement with partnering with Teine, and they were doing the same thing. It was important, you know, the purchase price was one thing, but the overall relationship and having a great commercial relationship to go grow that business over the next 15 years was also very critical.

Speaker #3: And it was important the purchase price was one thing, but the overall relationship and having a great commercial relationship to go grow that business over the next 15 years was also very critical.

Speaker #3: And so we spent probably more time on that aspect of the transaction and talking about how we'd grow this business together was a key factor.

Curtis Philippon: And so we, we spent probably more time on that aspect of the transaction and talking about how we'd grow this business together, was a, was a key factor. And I think when you looked at all that together, where we got to on price was a fair swap for both, both sides.

Speaker #3: And I think, when you looked at all that together, where we got to on price was a fair swath for both sides.

Benjamin Pham: And maybe to tack on to, I mean, your overall observations, you've looked a lot of acquisitions. I mean, is the valuations between M&A and organic growth, is that narrowing over time, or is this nature of e-commerce a very unique situation that popped up for you?

Speaker #6: And maybe to tack on to that, I mean, your overall observations—you've looked at a lot of acquisitions. I mean, are the valuations between M&A and organic growth narrowing over time, or is this just the nature of economics, or is this a very unique situation that popped up for you?

Speaker #3: I think it will depend on the particular asset and its characteristics. This one was sort of right up the fairway directly tied into the hardest ESM unique attributes that made it make sense.

Curtis Philippon: I think, you know, it will depend on the particular asset and its characteristics. For this one, this was sort of right up the fairway, directly tied into Hardisty, had some unique attributes that made it make sense, and with some immediately actionable growth projects that allowed us to be directly in that 5 to 7x build multiple that lines up with our organic capital. That's a great story. I think as you look forward at other M&A opportunities, you know, it'll depend on their characteristics. There will be situations where you'd consider going above that range for the right type of crown jewel assets with the right type of contract profile, but it really is on a case-by-case basis.

Speaker #3: And with some immediately actionable growth projects that allowed us to be directly in that 5 to 7 build multiple that lines up with our organic capital.

Speaker #3: That's a great story. I think as you look forward at other M&A opportunities, it'll depend on their characteristics. There will be situations where you'd consider going above that range for the right type of crown jewel assets with the right type of contract profile.

Speaker #3: But it really is on a case-by-case basis. We obviously are very focused on that 5 to 7 range is how we think about it.

Curtis Philippon: We obviously are very focused on that 5 to 7 range, is how we think about it. We have some great use of organic growth capital that we're quite comfortable staying focused on as well, if the right M&A opportunity isn't available.

Speaker #3: And we have some great use of organic growth capital that we're quite comfortable staying focused on as well. If the right M&A opportunity isn't available.

Speaker #6: Yeah, understood. And continue to Maurice's question on the balance sheet and where things were going. How do you think about perhaps balancing over-acclimatizing this deal and de-levering earlier and setting yourself up for the next wave of organic growth for M&A versus maybe just being more what you did there, leverage-neutral and maintaining that 5% accretion on a deal?

Benjamin Pham: Yeah, understood. Continuing to Maurice's question on the balance sheet and where things were going, how do you think about perhaps balancing over-equitizing this deal and delevering earlier and setting yourself up for the next wave of organic growth or M&A, versus maybe just being more what you did there, leverage neutral and maintaining that 5% accretion on the deal?

Speaker #3: Yeah, it's a great question, Ben. And so, I think when we looked at over-acclimatizing, what we found on a deal of this size is it really just didn't move the needle enough to make it make sense.

Curtis Philippon: Yeah, it's a great question, Ben. And so I think when we looked at over-equitizing, what we found on a deal of this size is it really just didn't move the needle enough to make it make sense. So you're just trying to balance, you know, the accretion levels versus your balance sheet. And for this one, we could have over-equitized, but it really wouldn't have moved the needle enough on leverage to make it make sense to give up that accretion. So that's kind of how we landed where it was. On maybe a bit of a bigger deal, it might have made more sense to over-equitize and delever quicker.

Speaker #3: So you're just trying to balance the accretion levels versus your balance sheet. And for this one, we could have over-acclimatized, but it really wouldn't have moved the needle enough on leverage to make it make sense to give up that accretion.

Speaker #3: So that's kind of how we landed where it was. On maybe a bit of a bigger deal, it might have made more sense to over-acclimatize and de-lever quicker.

Speaker #6: Okay, understand. Okay, thank you.

Benjamin Pham: Okay, understand. Okay, thank you.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Shauna for the questions in the queue. I will now like to turn the call back over to Beth for closing remarks.

Beth Pollock: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn the call back over to Beth for closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn the call back over to Beth for closing remarks.

Speaker #7: Thanks, Tawanda. And thank you for joining us today. Supplemental materials are available on our website at GibsonEnergy.com. If you have any additional questions, please contact our investor relations team.

Beth Pollock: Thanks, Tawanda, and thank you for joining us today. Supplemental materials are available on our website at gibsonenergy.com. If you have any additional questions, please contact our investor relations team. Have a great day.

Speaker #7: Have a great day.

Beth Pollock: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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