Q4 2025 Vertex Inc Earnings Call

February 11, 2026

Speaker #4: Good day and welcome to the Vertex fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants have been listened only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero.

Operator 2: Good day, and welcome to the Vertex Q4 2025 earnings conference call. All participants have been listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star and then one on the touchtone telephone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joe Crivelli, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Operator: Good day, and welcome to the Vertex Q4 2025 earnings conference call. All participants have been listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star and then one on the touchtone telephone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joe Crivelli, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker #4: After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star and then one on the touchstone telephone.

Speaker #4: To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joe Crivelli, Vice President Investor Relations.

Speaker #4: Please go

Speaker #4: ahead. Hello, and thanks for joining

Joe Crivelli: Hello, and thanks for joining us to discuss Vertex's fourth quarter results. Chris Young, our President and CEO, and John Schwab, our CFO, are also with us today. During this call, we may make forward-looking statements about expected future results. Actual results may differ due to risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are described in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Our remarks today will also include references to non-GAAP metrics. A reconciliation of these metrics to GAAP is also provided in today's press release. This call is being recorded and will be available for replay on our investor relations website. I'll now turn the call over to Chris.

Speaker #5: us to discuss Vertex's fourth quarter results. Chris Young, our President and CEO, and John Schwab, our CFO, are also with us today. During this call, we may make forward-looking statements about expected future results.

Speaker #5: Actual results may differ due to risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are described in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Our remarks today will also include references to non-GAAP metrics, a reconciliation of these metrics to GAAP is also provided in today's press release.

Speaker #5: This call is being recorded and will be available for replay on our Investor Relations website. I'll now turn the call over to

Speaker #5: Chris. Welcome, everyone, and thank

Chris Young: Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us. It's great to join you on my first earnings conference call as President and CEO of Vertex. Our financial results for Q4 came in as expected. Revenue was $194.7 million, in line with our guidance for the quarter, while adjusted EBITDA exceeded the high end of our guidance at $42.5 million. For the full year, Vertex delivered double-digit revenue growth along with solid profitability. Since this is my first time speaking to our investors and analysts, I wanted to cover a few topics. First, why I'm excited to join Vertex at this point in the company's history. Second, I'll give you a perspective from my conversations with customers, partners, and employees over the past three months. Third, my view on how we can accelerate our revenue growth.

Speaker #6: you for joining us. It's great to join you on my first earnings conference call as President and CEO of Vertex. Our financial results for the fourth quarter came in as expected.

Speaker #6: Revenue was $194.7 million, in line with our guidance for the quarter. While adjusted EBITDA exceeded the high end of our guidance at 42.5 million.

Speaker #6: For the full year, Vertex delivered double-digit revenue growth along with solid profitability. Since this is my first time speaking to our investors and analysts, I wanted to cover a few topics.

Speaker #6: First, why I'm excited to join Vertex at this point in the company's history. Second, I'll give you a perspective from my conversations with customers, partners, and employees over the past three months.

Speaker #6: And third, my view on how we can accelerate our revenue growth. Then I'll share some exciting new business wins from the fourth quarter. Many investors have asked what attracted me to come to Vertex, so I'll start there.

Chris Young: Then I'll share some exciting new business wins from Q4. Many investors have asked me what attracted me to come to Vertex, so I'll start there. First, I was drawn to Vertex's incredible blue-chip customer base, which includes over 60% of the Fortune 500. Around the world, leading enterprises trust Vertex to stay compliant with ever-changing indirect tax requirements. Our customers described to me that Vertex is trusted, reliable, flexible, and has the deepest domain expertise in the industry. Likewise, our partner ecosystem is built on strong, long-standing relationships with the key technology and implementation partners that serve this customer base. These partners consistently recognize Vertex as the leading provider of indirect tax solutions for the enterprise.

Speaker #6: First, I was drawn to Vertex's incredible blue-chip customer base, which includes over 60% of the Fortune 500. Around the world, leading enterprises trust Vertex to stay compliant with ever-changing indirect tax requirements.

Speaker #6: Our customers describe to me that Vertex is trusted, reliable, flexible, and has the deepest domain expertise in the industry. Likewise, our partner ecosystem is built on strong, long-standing relationships with the key technology and implementation partners that serve this customer base.

Speaker #6: These partners consistently recognize Vertex as the leading provider of indirect tax solutions for the enterprise. At the same time, both groups want to see us move faster and drive more innovation.

Chris Young: At the same time, both groups want to see us move faster and drive more innovation, and meeting that mandate will be job one for us in the near term. Second, Vertex has a long-standing track record of revenue growth, profitability, and positive cash flow across economic cycles, as well as clear growth vectors for the future. Our core expansion is steady, and our land and expand motion is proven. We have a new high-growth business and compliance in e-invoicing, which exceeded our expectations in its first year and has meaningful catalysts on the horizon. Third, I believe Vertex has an incredible opportunity to transform our business and help our customers transform theirs through artificial intelligence. This aligns well with my career experience, particularly my most recent role at Microsoft.

Speaker #6: And meeting that mandate will be job one for us in the near term. Second, Vertex has a long-standing track record of revenue growth, profitability, and positive cash flow across economic cycles, as well as clear growth vectors for the future.

Speaker #6: Our core expansion is steady, and our land and expand motion is proven. We have a new high-growth business and compliance and e-invoicing which exceeded our expectations in its first year and has meaningful catalysts on the horizon.

Speaker #6: Third, I believe Vertex has an incredible opportunity to transform our business and help our customers transform theirs through artificial intelligence. This aligns well with my career experience, particularly my most recent role at Microsoft.

Speaker #6: There, I spent considerable time building partnerships with, and in several cases investing in, companies driving AI innovation. And I did that while working closely with many of my Microsoft teammates who were developing their own AI technologies.

Chris Young: There, I spent considerable time building partnerships with, and in several cases, investing in companies driving AI innovation, and I did that while working closely with many of my Microsoft teammates who were developing their own AI technologies. Turning to our near-term priorities. While our full-year growth was healthy and respectable, in 2025, we saw lower entitlement growth, a moderation of new upsell and cross-sell revenue, and slightly higher customer attrition. This impacted our retention metrics, which John will discuss shortly. In looking at customer attrition, business and market factors such as M&A and bankruptcy was the single largest driver of 2025 attrition, and this is largely uncontrollable by Vertex. It's also important to note that attrition continues to be concentrated in smaller accounts.

Speaker #6: Turning to our near-term priorities, while our full-year growth was healthy and respectable, in 2025 we saw lower entitlement growth, a moderation of new upsell and cross-sell revenue, and slightly higher customer attrition.

Speaker #6: This impacted our retention metrics, which John will discuss shortly. In looking at customer attrition, business and market factors such as M&A and bankruptcy was the single largest driver of 2025 attrition.

Speaker #6: And this is largely uncontrollable by Vertex. It's also important to note that attrition continues to be concentrated in smaller accounts. The average annual revenue per customer for lost accounts in 2025 was under $50,000, far below our overall average revenue of $138,000 per customer.

Chris Young: The average annual revenue per customer for lost accounts in 2025 was under $50,000, far below our overall average revenue of $138,000 per customer. Finally, I'll note that competitive losses are a modest component of attrition, and Vertex continues to win far more ARR from competition than we lose to our competition. That said, we are taking several actions to mitigate controllable attrition by expanding customer success coverage to a broader cohort of customers and leveraging AI tools to better serve our customers. Our AI copilot in the product will help customers address more questions without needing to call us for help. We have also implemented analytics to predict potential customer attrition so that we can engage them more proactively, including personal phone calls from me to address their concerns.

Speaker #6: Finally, I'll note that competitive losses are a modest component of attrition. And Vertex continues to win far more ARR from competition than we lose to our competition.

Speaker #6: That said, we are taking several actions to mitigate controllable attrition. By expanding customer success coverage to a broader cohort of customers and leveraging AI tools to better serve our customers, our AI customers address more questions without needing to call us for help.

Speaker #6: We have also implemented analytics to predict potential customer attrition so that we can engage them more proactively, including personal phone calls from me to address their concerns.

Speaker #6: I'm also confident that our new product offerings, including e-invoicing and smart categorization, will help us accelerate cross-sell and upsell revenue in 2026. And we are already seeing measurable traction with both.

Chris Young: I'm also confident that our new product offerings, including e-invoicing and Smart Categorization, will help us accelerate cross-sell and upsell revenue in 2026, and we are already seeing measurable traction with both.... On a positive note, revenue from new logos remained healthy and was up 20% in 2025. This included both competitive takeaways and customers who previously used homegrown solutions and switched to Vertex. It is essential that we continue to seize this opportunity. Now let's talk more about AI. Vertex is well-positioned to help tax departments improve their workflows with artificial intelligence. Indirect tax compliance is rule-dense, it's data-heavy, and it's highly repetitive. It's the type of work that lends itself well to AI transformation. And we are starting from a fortified position, as Vertex software is embedded in the workflows of our customers.

Speaker #6: On a positive note, revenue from new logos remained healthy and was up 20% in 2025. This included both competitive takeaways and customers who previously used homegrown solutions and switched to Vertex.

Speaker #6: It is essential that we continue to seize this opportunity. Now, let's talk more about AI. Vertex's well-positioned to help tax departments improve their workflows with artificial intelligence.

Speaker #6: Indirect tax compliance is rule-dense. It's data-heavy, and it's highly repetitive. It's the type of work that lends itself well to AI transformation. And we are starting from a fortified position, as Vertex software is embedded in the workflows of our customers.

Speaker #6: In addition, our customers place a premium on tax accuracy, something they've trusted Vertex with for years. And I'll add that our revenue-based pricing model insulates us from the concerns investors have around SaaS companies with seat-based licensing models.

Chris Young: In addition, our customers place a premium on tax accuracy, something they've trusted Vertex with for years. I'll add that our revenue-based pricing model insulates us from the concerns investors have around SaaS companies with seat-based licensing models. As I shared earlier, I see significant and unique opportunity for us to capitalize on these trends, and that's one of the reasons I joined Vertex. In 2025, Vertex made significant investments in AI products, tools, and functionality. This included the launch of our Smart Categorization offering, which is squarely in the wheelhouse of AI adoption. It reduces the manual work tax departments undertake every day to ensure their product SKUs are mapped to the correct tax rates across all jurisdictions. During the early adoption phase, we secured several marquee six-figure wins in the retail industry.

Speaker #6: As I shared earlier, I see significant and unique opportunity for us to capitalize on these trends. And that's one of the reasons I joined Vertex.

Speaker #6: In 2025, Vertex made significant investments in AI products, tools, and functionality. This included the launch of our smart categorization offering, which is squarely in the wheelhouse of AI adoption.

Speaker #6: It reduces the manual work tax departments undertake every day to ensure their product SKUs are mapped to the correct tax rates across all jurisdictions.

Speaker #6: During the early adoption phase, we secured several marquee six-figure wins in the retail industry. To address this growing opportunity, we are broadening functionality in smart categorization to cover our full retail customer base.

Chris Young: To address this growing opportunity, we are broadening functionality in Smart Categorization to cover our full retail customer base. We will expand Smart Categorization to additional industries where the offering has applicability. In addition, in 2025, we expanded the capabilities of Vertex Copilot. Copilot, in turn, helps us better understand the tasks and features customers are interacting with Copilot about, providing us with insights into areas that are causing friction in the use of our solutions. This can help us enhance our products, develop new AI features, and inform future product development. Finally, we continued to leverage our partnership with Kintsugi. On last quarter's call, we highlighted Kintsugi, powered by Vertex, which enables SMBs to automate key compliance functions while providing real-time dashboards for jurisdictional liability and exposure tracking.

Speaker #6: We will expand smart categorization to additional industries where the offering has applicability. In addition, in 2025, we expanded the capabilities of Vertex Co-pilot. Co-pilot, in turn, helps us better understand the tasks and features customers are interacting with Co-pilot about.

Speaker #6: Providing us with insights into areas that are causing friction in the use of our solutions. This can help us enhance our products, develop new AI features, and inform future product development.

Speaker #6: Finally, we continue to leverage our partnership with Kintsugi. On last quarter's call, we highlighted Kintsugi powered by Vertex, which enables SMBs to automate key compliance functions while providing real-time dashboards for jurisdictional liability and exposure tracking.

Speaker #6: Then, in December, Kintsugi and Vertex partnered with CPA.com to launch an AI-driven solution to help accounting firms deliver automated, accurate, and scalable sales tax compliance for their clients.

Chris Young: Then in December, Kintsugi and Vertex partnered with CPA.com to launch an AI-driven solution to help accounting firms deliver automated, accurate, and scalable sales tax compliance for their clients. This then helps our partners in the accounting industry unlock new advisory revenue opportunities. While all of this is a good start, we can do much more with AI, and I see a large opportunity on this front. It's my personal goal to transform Vertex into an AI-first business, both in how we work internally and through the new capabilities we deliver to our customers. I will have more to share on this transformation in the near future. With that, let's review some examples of how companies are depending on Vertex to stay in compliance with indirect tax. First, wins within our installed base.

Speaker #6: This then helps our partners in the accounting industry unlock new advisory revenue opportunities. While all of this is a good start, we can do much more with AI.

Speaker #6: And I see a large opportunity on this front. It's my personal goal to transform Vertex into an AI-first business, both in how we work internally and through the new capabilities we deliver to our customers.

Speaker #6: I will have more to share on this transformation in the near future. With that, let's review some examples of how companies are depending on Vertex to stay in compliance with indirect tax.

Speaker #6: First, wins within our installed base. It's not uncommon for enterprise customers to use Vertex in one area of the business and a competitor in another.

Chris Young: It's not uncommon for enterprise customers to use Vertex in one area of the business and a competitor in another. In many cases, over time, these customers will reevaluate their tax software footprint and standardize on Vertex. As an example, a customer in the metals and mining industry dramatically expanded its relationship with Vertex in Q4. This customer had used Vertex's returns filing managed service for years, even though it was using a competitor for tax calculation. However, during an SAP S/4HANA transformation, the company made the decision to standardize on Vertex. As a result, this is now a fulsome mid-six-figure relationship, including sales and use tax calculation, as well as Exemption Certificate Manager, SAP PLUS Tools, SAP Accelerator, and other Vertex offerings. In Q4, we also won in-store point-of-sale tax calculation for a global quick service food and beverage retailer.

Speaker #6: In many cases, over time, these customers will reevaluate their tax software footprint and standardize on Vertex. As an example, a customer in the metals and mining industry dramatically expanded its relationship with Vertex in the fourth quarter.

Speaker #6: This customer had used Vertex's returns filing managed service for years, even though it was using a competitor for tax calculation. However, during an SAP S/4HANA transformation, the company made the decision to standardize on Vertex.

Speaker #6: As a result, this is now a fulsome, mid-six-figure relationship, including sales and use tax calculation, as well as exemption certificate manager SAP plus tools SAP accelerator, and other Vertex offerings.

Speaker #6: In the fourth quarter, we also won in-store point-of-sale tax calculation for a global quick service food and beverage retailer. This long-standing Vertex customer historically used us for tax calculation for its mobile app and gift card businesses.

Chris Young: This long-standing Vertex customer historically used us for tax calculation for its mobile app and gift card businesses, but a homegrown solution at the point of sale. They switched to Vertex during a redesign of their point-of-sale system, leading to $ high six figures of new revenue. In the Oracle ecosystem, we increased our business with a relatively new customer in the computer products manufacturing industry. Earlier this year, the customer spun out from its parent company and selected Vertex for use tax calculation. In Q4, they completed the transition and added sales tax calculation, leading to $ six figures of new annual revenue for Vertex. Turning to new logos, we landed one of our largest new logos ever in Europe with a leading healthcare provider. Revenue for this new customer will be well into the $ seven figures.

Speaker #6: But a homegrown solution at the point of sale. They switched to Vertex during a redesign of their point-of-sale system, leading to high six figures of new revenue.

Speaker #6: In the Oracle ecosystem, we increased our business with a relatively new customer in the computer products manufacturing industry. Earlier this year, the customer spun out from its parent company and selected Vertex for use tax calculation.

Speaker #6: In the fourth quarter, they completed the transition and added sales tax calculation, leading to six figures of new annual revenue for Vertex. Turning to new logos, we landed one of our largest new logos ever in Europe with a leading healthcare provider.

Speaker #6: Revenue for this new customer will be well into the seven figures. This deal was catalyzed by a global SAP S/4HANA transformation led by our partners EY and DMA.

Chris Young: This deal was catalyzed by a global SAP S/4HANA transformation led by our partners, EY, and DMA. It included value-added tax calculation across the customer's global footprint, as well as sales and use tax in the United States. The customer will also be using our end-to-end VAT compliance offering to file returns in 30 countries around the globe. Also, in conjunction with an SAP S/4HANA transformation, a major North American power utility selected Vertex as its first-ever indirect tax provider. This enterprise customer, with revenue of nearly $10 billion, was previously using manual solutions for use tax calculation. In addition to use tax calculation, this mid-six-figure deal, which is referred to us by our partner, Accenture, also included SAP plus tools, Vertex Consulting, and other ancillary products and services. This deal validates the greenfield opportunity for Vertex with large companies that are still using homegrown solutions for indirect tax.

Speaker #6: It included value-added tax calculation across the customer's global footprint, as well as sales and use tax in the United States. The customer will also be using our end-to-end VAT compliance offering to file returns in 30 countries around the globe.

Speaker #6: Also in conjunction with an SAP S/4HANA transformation, a major North American power utility selected Vertex as its first-ever indirect tax provider. This enterprise customer with revenue of nearly $10 billion was previously using manual solutions for use tax calculation.

Speaker #6: In addition to use tax calculation, this mid-six-figure deal, which was referred to us by our partner Accenture, also included SAP plus tools, Vertex consulting, and other ancillary products and services.

Speaker #6: This deal validates the greenfield opportunity for Vertex with large companies that are still using homegrown solutions for indirect tax. In the Oracle ecosystem, a software provider in the payment space selected Vertex to displace an entrenched competitor.

Chris Young: In the Oracle ecosystem, a software provider in the payment space selected Vertex to displace an entrenched competitor. We were differentiated by our ability to support the customer's massive scale and volume of transactions, as well as our reference ability across the Oracle ecosystem. This led to low six figures of new revenue for Vertex. Now turning to e-invoicing. In our first full year in the business, we've seen strong traction with both existing customers and new logos, accelerating demand around upcoming mandates, especially Belgium, which launched its e-invoicing mandate in January, and significant product differentiation for our end-to-end offering, which includes e-invoicing, as well as VAT calculation and compliance in a single unified platform. We continue to believe our platform is unique in the marketplace and gives us a competitive advantage.

Speaker #6: We were differentiated by our ability to support the customer's massive scale and volume of transactions, as well as our reference ability across the Oracle ecosystem.

Speaker #6: This led to low six figures of new revenue for Vertex. Now turning to e-invoicing. In our first full year in the business, we've seen strong traction with both existing customers and new logos.

Speaker #6: Accelerating demand around upcoming mandates—especially Belgium, which launched its e-invoicing mandate in January. And significant product differentiation for our end-to-end offering, which includes e-invoicing as well as VAT calculation and compliance in a single unified platform.

Speaker #6: We continue to believe our platform is unique in the marketplace and gives us a competitive advantage. Now let me give you some color on the types of e-invoicing deals we won during the fourth quarter.

Chris Young: Now, let me give you some color on the types of e-invoicing deals we won during Q4. Wins with existing customers included a global payments company that selected Vertex for e-invoicing mandates in Belgium, Poland, and France. A consumer products company that selected Vertex for mandates in Germany, Belgium, and Poland, and a consumer electronics company also selected Vertex for mandates in Italy, Belgium, Poland, and Denmark. Note that all of these examples are long-standing scaled customers, and the e-invoicing cross-sell increased our ARR with these customers on average by over 20%. This should give investors a sense of the upsell opportunity that e-invoicing represents within the installed base. New e-invoicing logos include a 14-country win with a German buildings product company.

Speaker #6: Wins with existing customers included a global payments company that selected Vertex for e-invoicing mandates in Belgium, Poland, and France. A consumer products company that selected Vertex for mandates in Germany, Belgium, and Poland.

Speaker #6: company also selected Vertex for And a consumer electronics mandates in Italy, Belgium, Poland, and Denmark. Note that all of these examples are long-standing scaled customers, and the e-invoicing cross-sells increased our ARR with these customers on average by over 20%.

Speaker #6: This should give investors a sense of the upsell opportunity that e-invoicing represents within the installed base. New e-invoicing logos include a 14-country win with a German buildings product company.

Speaker #6: E-invoicing and value-added calculation for Belgium, France, and Germany with a North American energy products company. And a deal for Belgium, Germany, France, the UK, and Ireland with a North American healthcare products company.

Chris Young: E-invoicing and value-added calculation for Belgium, France, and Germany with a North American energy products company, and a deal for Belgium, Germany, France, and the UK and Ireland with a North American healthcare products company. All these new logos were in the mid to high five-figure range, and while this is lower than our overall average revenue per customer, these initial engagements gave us a launching pad for our proven land and expand sales motion, not just with additional e-invoicing countries, but for the full suite of Vertex tax compliance solutions. To summarize, Vertex had a solid Q4. 2025 revealed some challenges, but I am confident that we have a cohesive plan to restore accelerating growth in the business. Our AI opportunity is in focus, and our first offering, Smart Categorization, is making a real difference for enterprise customers while driving revenue.

Speaker #6: All these new logos were in the mid-to-high five-figure range and while this is lower than our overall average revenue per customer, these initial engagements gave us a launching pad for our proven land and expand sales motion.

Speaker #6: Not just with additional e-invoicing countries, but for the full suite of Vertex tax compliance solutions. So to summarize, Vertex had a solid fourth quarter, 2025 revealed some challenges, but I am confident that we have a cohesive plan to restore, accelerate, and growth in the business.

Speaker #6: Our AI opportunity is in focus, and our first offering smart categorization is making a real difference for enterprise customers while driving revenue. And we have a growing opportunity in global compliance as e-invoicing mandates continue to proliferate around the globe.

Chris Young: We have a growing opportunity in global compliance as E-invoicing mandates continue to proliferate around the globe. All in, I believe I'm joining Vertex at an extremely opportune time. With that, I'll turn the call over to John to discuss the financials in detail. John?

Speaker #6: All in, I believe I'm joining Vertex at an extremely opportune time. With that, I'll turn the call over to John to discuss the financials in detail.

Speaker #6: John.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Chris, and

Speaker #2: good morning, everyone. I'll now review our results in detail and provide financial guidance for the first quarter and full year of 2026. In the fourth quarter, revenue was $194.7 million, up 9.1% compared to last year's fourth quarter, and in line with our guidance.

John Schwab: Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. We'll now review our results in detail and provide financial guidance for Q1 and full year of 2026. In Q4, revenue was $194.7 million, up 9.1% compared to last year's Q4, and in line with our guidance. For the full year, total revenue was $748.4 million, up 12.2% from 2024. In Q4, our subscription revenue increased 8.9% year-over-year to $166.2 million. For the full year, subscription revenue was $639.7 million, up 12.8% year-over-year. I want to provide additional details and clarity around the impact of True-up Revenue on our revenue growth.

Speaker #2: For the full year, total revenue was $748.4 million, up 12.2% from 2024. In the fourth quarter, our subscription revenue increased 8.9% year over year, to $166.2 million.

Speaker #2: For the full year, subscription revenue was $639.7 million, up 12.8% year over year. I want to provide additional details and clarity around the impact of true-up revenue on our revenue growth.

Speaker #2: True-up revenue is the payment that is owed to Vertex when a customer overruns its contracted entitlements. It is recognized as revenue in quarter, and the payment of a true-up typically coincides with the corresponding increase in entitlements.

John Schwab: True-up Revenue is the payment that is owed to Vertex when a customer overruns its contracted entitlements. It is recognized as revenue in-quarter, and the payment of a True-up Revenue typically coincides with a corresponding increase in entitlements. As a reminder, we historically have realized $1 to 2 million of True-up Revenue in the first three quarters of the year, and $2 to 4 million in the fourth quarter. In Q3 and Q4 of 2024, we called out elevated True-up Revenue amounts relative to expectations. However, in 2025, as we had mentioned, this did not recur, and renewing customers were generally within the usage limits of their contracted entitlement amounts. As a result, True-up Revenue in 2025 was approximately $10 million lower than 2024. This alone reduced our 2025 full year revenue growth rate by just under 2 percentage points.

Speaker #2: As a reminder, we historically have realized 1 to 2 million dollars of true-up revenue in the first three quarters of the year, and 2 to 4 million dollars in the fourth quarter.

Speaker #2: In the third and fourth quarter of 2024, we called out elevated true-up amounts relative to expectations. However, in 2025, as we had mentioned, this did not recur.

Speaker #2: And renewing customers were generally within the usage limits of their contracted entitlement amounts. As a result, true-up revenue in 2025 was approximately $10 million lower than 2024.

Speaker #2: This alone reduced our 2025 full-year revenue growth rate by just under 2 percentage points. Lower true-up revenue in the fourth quarter reduced the year-over-year revenue growth rate by approximately 4 percentage points.

John Schwab: Lower true-up revenue in the fourth quarter reduced the year-over-year revenue growth rate by approximately 4 percentage points, and the impact on subscription revenue was approximately 2 percentage points for the year and 5 percentage points for the fourth quarter. Turning now to services revenue. Our services revenue in the fourth quarter grew 10.2% over last year's fourth quarter to $28.5 million. Full year services revenue was $108.8 million, up 9.2% year-over-year. Our cloud revenue was $94.6 million in the fourth quarter, up 23% from last year's fourth quarter. Note that the decrease in quarterly cloud revenue growth was due to the lapping of the ecosio acquisition and the elimination of the inorganic contribution to the growth rate.

Speaker #2: And the impact on subscription revenue was approximately 2 percentage points, for the year and 5 percentage points for the fourth quarter. Turning now to services revenue.

Speaker #2: Our services revenue in the fourth quarter grew 10.2% over last year's fourth quarter to $28.5 million. Full-year services revenue was $108.8 million, up 9.2% year over year.

Speaker #2: Our cloud revenue was $94.6 million in the fourth quarter, up 23% from last year's fourth quarter. Note that the decrease in quarterly cloud revenue growth was due to the lapping of the Acocio acquisition and the elimination of the inorganic contribution to the growth rate.

Speaker #2: For the full year, cloud revenue was $352.9 million, up 27.9% year over year, and generally in line with our guidance of 28% growth for the year.

John Schwab: For the full year, cloud revenue was $352.9 million, up 27.9% year-over-year, and generally in line with our guidance of 28% growth for the year.... Annual recurring revenue, or ARR, was $671 million at quarter-end, up 11.3% year-over-year. At year-end, net revenue retention, or NRR, was 105%, and gross revenue retention, or GRR, was 94%, within our targeted range of 94% to 96%. Average annual revenue per customer, or AARPC, was $137,867, up 12.4%, and our scaled customer growth in the quarter was 12%. For the remainder of the income statement discussion, I will be referring to non-GAAP metrics.

Speaker #2: Annual recurring revenue, or ARR, was $671 million, at quarter end, up 11.3% year over year. At year-end, net revenue retention, or NRR, was $105%, and gross revenue retention, or GRR, was 94%.

Speaker #2: Within our targeted range of 94 to 96%. Average annual revenue per customer, or AARPC, was $137,867, up 12.4%. And our scaled customer growth in the quarter was 12%.

Speaker #2: For the remainder of the income statement discussion, I will be referring to non-GAAP metrics. These non-GAAP metrics are reconciled to GAAP results in this morning's earnings press release.

John Schwab: These non-GAAP metrics are reconciled to GAAP results in this morning's earnings press release. Our gross profit for Q4 was $147.4 million, and gross margin was 75.7%. This compares with gross profit of $133.9 million and a 75% gross margin in the same period last year. Our gross margin on subscription software was 82.7%, compared to 81.4% in last year's Q4 and in Q3 2025. Gross margin on services revenue was 34.9%, compared to 37.6% in last year's Q4 and 28.8% in Q3 2025. This reflects lower ecosio margins, driven by increased consulting investments to support our revenue growth.

Speaker #2: Our gross profit for the fourth quarter was $147.4 million, and gross margin was 75.7%. This compares with gross profit of $133.9 million and a 75% gross margin in the same period last year.

Speaker #2: Our gross margin on subscription software was 82.7%, compared to 81.4% in last year's fourth quarter and in the third quarter of 2025. Gross margin on services revenue was 34.9%, compared to 37.6% in last year's fourth quarter, and 28.8% in the third quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: This reflects lower Acocio margins driven by increased consulting investments to support our revenue growth. In the fourth quarter, research and development expense was $19.9 million, compared to $17.3 million last year.

John Schwab: In the Q4, research and development expense was $19.9 million, compared to $17.3 million last year. For the full year, R&D was $71.3 million, compared to $56.4 million last year. With capitalized software spend included, R&D spend was $42.8 million for the Q4 and $159.8 million for the full year, which represented 22% of revenue for the Q4 and 21.4% of revenue for the full year. The increase in R&D spending was a result of the 2025 investments in ecosio and AI that Chris had detailed earlier.

Speaker #2: For the full year, R&D was $71.3 million, compared to $56.4 million last year. With capitalized software spend included, R&D spend was $42.8 million, for the fourth quarter, and $159.8 million for the full year, which represented 22% of revenue for the fourth quarter and 21.4% of revenue for the full year.

Speaker #2: The increase in R&D spending was a result of the 2025 investments in Acocio and AI that Chris had detailed earlier. Our selling and marketing expense was $48.7 million, or $25% of total revenues.

John Schwab: Our selling and marketing expense was $48.7 million, or 25% of total revenues, an increase of $5 million and approximately 11.4% from the prior year period. For the year, our selling and marketing expense was $178.6 million, up 15.3% from last year. The increase in selling and marketing expense in the fourth quarter was due to costs from our Vertex Exchange Conference, which was held in October. General and administrative expense was $36.2 million, up $2 million from last year. For the full year, general and administrative expense was $149.3 million, compared to $128.2 million last year.

Speaker #2: An increase of $5 million and approximately $11.4% from the prior year period. For the year, our selling and marketing expense was $178.6 million, up 15.3% from last year.

Speaker #2: The increase in selling and marketing expense in the fourth quarter was due to costs from our Vertex exchange conference, which was held in October.

Speaker #2: And general and administrative expense was $36.2 million, up $2 million from last year. For the full year, general and administrative expense was $149.3 million, compared to $128.2 million last year.

Speaker #2: Adjusted EBITDA was $42.5 million, an increase of $4.4 million, or 11.6% year over year. Full-year adjusted EBITDA was $161.5 million, representing an increase of $9.6 million, or 6.3%, over 2024.

John Schwab: Adjusted EBITDA was $42.5 million, an increase of $4.4 million or 11.6% year over year. Full year adjusted EBITDA was $161.5 million, representing an increase of $9.6 million or 6.3% over 2024. Both were approximately $500,000 above the high end of our guidance. This represents adjusted EBITDA margins of 21.8% for the fourth quarter and 21.6% for the full year. Our fourth quarter free cash flow was $10.1 million, and for the full year, free cash flow was $47.6 million. This was a bit lower than expected, as the fourth quarter is usually our strongest free cash flow quarter.

Speaker #2: Both were approximately $500,000 above the high end of our guide. This represents adjusted EBITDA margins of 21.8% for the fourth quarter and 21.6% for the full year.

Speaker #2: Our fourth quarter free cash flow was $10.1 million, and for the full year, free cash flow was $47.6 million. This was a bit lower than expected.

Speaker #2: As the fourth quarter is usually our strongest free cash flow quarter. While collections were lower than typical for the fourth quarter, I will note that the first week of January we realized approximately $7 million of cash collections in excess of what we'd seen in the previous years.

John Schwab: While collections were lower than typical for the fourth quarter, I will note that the first week of January, we realized approximately $7 million of cash collections in excess of what we'd seen in the previous years. In the fourth quarter, we repurchased approximately $10 million of our shares in the open market under our stock buyback authorization at an average price of $20 per share. We have approximately $140 million remaining under our authorization. We ended the fourth quarter with over $314 million of unrestricted cash and cash equivalents, and $300 million of unused availability under our line of credit. Now, turning to guidance.

Speaker #2: In the fourth quarter, we repurchased approximately $10 million of our shares in the open market under our stock buyback authorization at an average price of $20 per share.

Speaker #2: We have approximately $140 million remaining under our authorization. We ended the fourth quarter with over $314 million of unrestricted cash and cash equivalents and $300 million of unused availability under our line of credit.

Speaker #2: Now, turning to guidance. For the full year of 2026, we expect revenues of $823.5 million to $831.5 million, cloud revenue growth of 25%, and adjusted EBITDA of $188 million to $192 million.

John Schwab: For the full year of 2026, we expect revenues of $823.5 to 831.5 million dollars, cloud revenue growth of 25%, and adjusted EBITDA of $188 to 192 million dollars, reflecting a margin of 23% at the midpoint. For the first quarter of 2026, we expect revenues of $193.5 to 196.5 million dollars, and adjusted EBITDA of $40.5 to 43.5 million dollars, reflecting a margin of 21.5% at the midpoint. Chris will now make some closing comments before we open up for Q&A. Chris?

Speaker #2: Reflecting a margin of 23% at the midpoint. For the first quarter of 2026, we expect revenues of $193.5 to $196.5 million. And adjusted EBITDA of $40.5 million to $43.5 million.

Speaker #2: Reflecting a margin of 21.5% at the midpoint. Chris will now make some closing comments before we open up for Q&A. Chris, thank you, John, and before we take your questions, I want to thank all of our Vertex employees around the world for their unwavering dedication to serving our customers in 2025.

Chris Young: Thank you, John. Before we take your questions, I want to thank all of our Vertex employees around the world for their unwavering dedication to serving our customers in 2025. Their commitment to our mission to accelerate global commerce with a global compliance platform strengthened by AI is evident in everything they do. They exemplify the strong culture that defines Vertex, and I'm truly proud to join this team and honored to be able to lead it. Earlier this year, I introduced our employees to my foundational tenets to make 2026 and beyond a success for our company and for our investors, and I'll share them with you now. First, we play to win. That mindset raises our bar on product quality, customer outcomes, and how we show up for one another. We put the customer at the center of everything we do.

Speaker #2: mission to accelerate global commerce with Their commitment to our a global compliance platform strengthened by AI is evident in everything they do. They exemplify the strong culture that defines Vertex and I'm truly proud to join this team and honored to be able to lead it.

Speaker #2: Earlier this year, I introduced our employees to my foundational tenets to make 2026 and beyond a success for our company and for our investors.

Speaker #2: And I'll share them with you now. First, we play to win. That mindset raises our bar on product quality, customer outcomes, and how we show up for one another.

Speaker #2: We put the customer at the center of everything we do. We are constantly asking, how will what I'm doing today help a customer succeed?

Chris Young: We are constantly asking: How will what I'm doing today help a customer succeed? We earn trust through outcomes. We achieve results with speed, agility, and integrity. We'll move faster, adapt quickly, and never compromise on doing things the right way for teammates, customers, and partners. We will innovate boldly without fear. Progress demands smart risk, and we'll try new approaches, learn fast, and keep pushing the boundaries, especially where AI can remove friction and unlock value. And finally, we will communicate with candor and transparency. We'll speak plainly about what's working and what isn't, and help each other improve. That's how I've operated through my career, and that's the ethos that I'm committed to bringing to Vertex.

Speaker #2: We earn trust through outcomes. We achieve results with speed, agility, and integrity. We'll move faster, adapt quickly, and never compromise on doing things the right way.

Speaker #2: For teammates, customers, and partners. We will innovate boldly without fear. Progress demands smart risk, and we'll try new approaches, learn fast, and keep pushing the boundaries, especially where AI can remove friction and unlock value.

Speaker #2: And finally, we will communicate with candor and transparency. We'll speak plainly about what's working and what isn't and help each other improve. That's how I've operated through my career and that's the ethos that I'm committed to bringing to Vertex.

Speaker #2: On that foundation, I'm confident that we will continue to win in the market, accelerate growth, and capitalize on our market position as the leading provider of indirect tax solutions for the enterprise.

Chris Young: On that foundation, I'm confident that we will continue to win in the market, accelerate growth, and capitalize on our market position as the leading provider of indirect tax solutions for the enterprise. With that, operator, please open the call for questions.

Speaker #2: And with that, operator, please open the call for questions.

Speaker #1: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchstone telephone.

Operator 2: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press Star, then one on your touchtone telephone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your headset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press Star, then two. Our first question comes from Andrew DiGaspari from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press Star, then one on your touchtone telephone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your headset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press Star, then two. Our first question comes from Andrew DiGaspari from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Speaker #1: If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your headset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then two.

Speaker #1: Our first question comes from Andrew DiGasperi from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. May Christopher, can you I know you've been there only a few weeks, so maybe this is a little unfair to ask, but maybe elaborate a little more in terms of what you said were the losses to competitors at the lower end of the market.

Andrew DeGasperi: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Christopher, can you... I know you've been there only a few weeks, so maybe this is a little unfair to ask, but maybe elaborate a little more in terms of what you said were the losses to competitors at the lower end of the market. Was there-- was this, like, a price-driven change, or, and I assume this is not AI-related. Is that correct?

Speaker #3: Was this like a price-driven change or and I assume this is not AI-related. Is that correct?

Speaker #4: That is correct. And thank you for the question. You can call me Chris, no problem. On here, I appreciate it. In reference to that to those remarks, what I was talking about is our overall attrition.

Chris Young: That is correct. And thank you for the question. You can call me Chris, no problem, on here. I appreciate it. Well, in reference to that, those remarks, what I was talking about is our overall attrition. You know, as you saw from some of the numbers, you know, attrition was higher in 2025 than we've experienced in the past. And some of the drivers of that were, number one, M&A and bankruptcies, which we've talked about on prior earnings calls, that was up this year, and that was a significant factor in this.

Speaker #4: As you saw from some of the numbers, attrition was higher in 2025 than we've experienced in the past. And some of the drivers of that were number one, M&A and bankruptcies, which we've talked about on prior earnings calls.

Speaker #4: That was up this year, and that was a significant factor in this. But the second one is that we saw our highest amount of churn in our smaller customers, those that would have had ARR of under $50,000 per year.

Chris Young: But the second one is that we saw our highest amount of churn in our smaller customers, those that would have had ARR of under $50,000 per year, and that compares to an average ARR per customer of $138,000 per year. So it was concentrated in smaller customers. Some of those went to competition, but when we look at our head-to-head performance with competition, we're winning more ARR from our competitors than we're losing to competitors.

Speaker #4: And that compares to an average ARR per customer of $138,000 per year. So it was concentrated in smaller customers. Some of those went to competition.

Speaker #4: But when we look at our head-to-head performance with competition, we're winning more ARR from our competitors than we're losing to them.

Speaker #4: competitors. That's helpful.

Speaker #3: And I guess, in terms of maybe as a follow-up to John, in terms of the confidence that you have in achieving the guidance for next year—I know this year you've had a lot, sort of, variables to play with.

Andrew DeGasperi: That's helpful. And, I guess, in terms of, maybe as a follow-up to John, in terms of the, the confidence that you have in achieving the guidance for next year. I know this year you've had a lot, sort of, variables, to play with. You know, how confident are you on, on the growth for, for, you know, 10 to 11% next year? And what, what sources of upside or surprises do you think could be in store for you? Is it E-invoicing? Is it the AI product that, that could potentially, do better?

Speaker #3: How confident are you on the growth for 10 to 11 percent next year? And what sources of upside or surprises do you think could be in store for you?

Speaker #3: Is it e-invoicing? Is it the AI product that could potentially do better?

Speaker #4: Yeah, thanks, Andrew, for the question. In terms of our guidance philosophy, it hasn't changed. Again, we took a very thoughtful approach to setting it where we set it.

John Schwab: Yeah. Thanks, Andrew, for the question. You know, in terms of our guidance philosophy, it hasn't changed. Again, you know, we took a very thoughtful approach to setting it where we set it. We feel very good about it. And, you know, we took into consideration a lot of the activity and the things that we saw developed during 2025 into it as we set it. And so, listen, our plan is to get back to that, you know, beat and raise cadence that we've had for a number of years, and we want to make sure that we wanted to make sure that we took everything into consideration and set it at the right levels to do that. So we feel good about that.

Speaker #4: We feel very good about it. And we took into consideration a lot of the activity and the things that we saw develop during 2025 into it as we set it.

Speaker #4: And so listen, our plan is to get back to that beat-and-raise cadence that we've had for a number of years and we want to make sure that we wanted to make sure that we took everything into consideration and set it at the right levels to do that.

Speaker #4: So we feel good about that. And listen, when I think about 2026, clearly we think there is good opportunity there for activity around the e-invoicing, which is many of the mandates are coming live at the back half of the year.

John Schwab: And listen, when I think about 2026, you know, clearly, you know, we think there is good opportunity there for activity around the e-invoicing, which is, you know, many of the mandates are coming live at the back half, the back half of the year. And so that is, that is certainly one of the growth vectors that we see out there that, that we're chasing after. And I think Chris talked a little bit about Smart Categorization and, and the activity there. I mean, that's a, that's a nice product. It's got a lot... It got some traction with some very big customers, and I think that's an exciting, an exciting tool out there, and it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out over time.

Speaker #4: And so that is certainly one of the growth vectors that we see out there that we're chasing after. And I think Chris talked a little bit about SmartCat and the activity there.

Speaker #4: I mean, that's a nice product. It's got a lot it got some traction with some very big customers. And I think that's an exciting tool out there.

Speaker #4: And it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out over

Speaker #4: time. Thank you.

Andrew DeGasperi: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Yep. The next question

John Schwab: Yep.

Speaker #1: The next question comes from Chris Quintero from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Operator 2: The next question comes from Chris Quintero from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question comes from Chris Quintero from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker #5: Hey, guys. Chris, it's great to meet you. My first question is for you. So you have a really interesting background and set of experiences at Microsoft, McAfee, Cisco.

Chris Quintero: Hey, guys. Chris, great to meet you. My first question is for you. So you have a really interesting background and set of experiences at Microsoft, McAfee, Cisco. Curious, what parallels you can draw from your time at each one of these, and what you think will be particularly helpful from those experiences here as you lead Vertex?

Speaker #5: Curious what parallels you can draw from your time at each one of these, and what you think will be particularly helpful from those experiences here as you leave Vertex.

Speaker #4: Yeah, it's a thanks for the question, Chris. And I appreciate it. And when I look at our company and I look at our business, there's a couple of parallels that stand out for me.

Chris Young: Yeah, it's a... Thanks for the question, Chris, and I appreciate it. And, you know, when I look at our company and I look at our business, there's a couple of parallels that stand out for me. The first one, I'll go to my most recent. You know, obviously, I spent a lot of time at Microsoft. You know, a lot of the time there was, you know, when generative AI first, I think, really kind of started to change what we were seeing in the industry, you know, including what we were doing with OpenAI. And, you know, I...

Speaker #4: The first one I'll go to my most recent. Obviously, I spent a lot of time at Microsoft, a lot of the time there, was when generative AI first, I think, really kind of started to change what we were seeing in the industry.

Speaker #4: Including what we were doing with OpenAI, and you could see that there was going to be a real opportunity for companies to transform themselves using AI.

Chris Young: You could see that there was gonna be a real opportunity for companies to transform themselves using AI, both what they do internally and in the technology industry, what we would deliver to our customers. And so I spent actually a lot of last year really looking at, you know, what did I think would be the industries where there was opportunity to transform. And, you know, this was one category that I thought, you know, because of where we sit and because of the kinds of work that happens in finance and accounting departments, that, you know, given the position we sit in, we can offer them AI capabilities that would really take a lot of the task work off of their plates. And that's something that we think is a huge opportunity.

Speaker #4: Both what they do internally and in the technology industry, what we would deliver to our customers. And so I spent actually a lot of last year really looking at what did I think would be the industry where there was opportunity to transform?

Speaker #4: And this was one category that I thought because of where we sit and because of the kinds of work that happens in finance and accounting departments, that given the position we sit in, we can offer them AI capabilities that would really take a lot of the task work off of their plates.

Speaker #4: And that's something that we think is a huge opportunity. It's like I spent some time talking about what we're doing with smart categorization. You could look at returns processing as another category where it's heavily manual.

Chris Young: It's why, you know, I spent some time talking about what we're doing with Smart Categorization. You could look at returns processing as another category, where it's heavily manual, and we believe there's opportunities like that to help our customers just automate what they do using Generative AI. You know, which will save them time, it'll save them cost, and improve their overall experience. If I kind of go back from there, you know, I think, you know, Vertex does have some similarities to what I saw in the cyber landscape. You know, cyber is one of those categories that, you know, you constantly are refreshing your content. One of the things that makes cyber companies great is they understand the threat landscape and it's ever-changing. In our business, the compliance landscape is ever-changing.

Speaker #4: And we believe there's opportunities like that to help our customers just automate what they do using generative AI, which will save them time. It'll save them cost.

Speaker #4: And improve their overall experience. If I kind of go back from there, I think Vertex does have some similarities to what I saw in the cyber landscape.

Speaker #4: Cyber is one of those categories that you constantly are refreshing your content. One of the things that makes cyber companies great is they understand the threat landscape.

Speaker #4: And it's ever-changing. And in our business, the compliance landscape is ever-changing. There's constantly new tax rules. There's new compliance mandates. That's what we're seeing in the e-invoicing space.

Chris Young: There's constantly new tax rules, there's new compliance mandates. That's what we're seeing in the E-invoicing space. I think one of the things that customers have told me about Vertex, which gives me a lot of confidence in what we're doing and our position in the market, is that they really trust our content work. They purchase from us because they see us as delivering the best content in the industry, and they recognize that it's ever-changing and that they look to Vertex to stay on top of it.

Speaker #4: And I think one of the things that customers have told me about Vertex, which gives me a lot of confidence in what we're doing and our position in the market, is that they really trust our content work.

Speaker #4: They purchase from us because they see us as delivering the best content in the industry. And they recognize that it's ever-changing and that they look to Vertex to stay on top of it.

Speaker #4: I had one customer tell me, in specific, he said, "I'm able to run a lean tax department because I rely heavily on Vertex. To deliver both the accuracy of your calculations, but the updates of your content that keep us up to date on what we've got to comply with across our different jurisdictions where we operate."

Chris Young: You know, I had one customer tell me in specific; he said, "I'm able to run a lean tax department because I rely heavily on Vertex to deliver both the accuracy of your calculations, but the updates of your content that keep us up to date on what we've got to comply with across our different jurisdictions where we operate.

Speaker #3: That's super helpful context. And then I also wanted to ask about the net retention rates. Obviously, that came down a bit. And it makes sense from the commentary you all gave.

Chris Quintero: That's super helpful context. Then I also wanted to ask about the net retention rates. Obviously, that came down a bit, and makes sense from the commentary you all gave. But curious about your expectations around where that should be on a kind of more, you know, medium-term, normalized basis, and how long you think it can take to get back there?

Speaker #3: But curious about your expectations around where that should be on a kind of more medium-term, normalized basis and how long you think it can take to get back there.

Speaker #4: We're obviously, we're very focused on improving our net retention rates. And there's a tremendous amount of effort that's going in right now to both introduce our newer product offerings like compliance and e-invoicing to our existing customer base.

Chris Young: Obviously, we're very focused on improving our net retention rates, and, you know, there's a tremendous amount of effort that's going in right now to, you know, both introduce our newer product offerings, like compliance and e-invoicing, to our existing customer base. And that, you know, that every customer that I've talked to, this is either something they are actively doing, or it's certainly on their radar screen. You know, whether it's US customers that are doing business in other countries with those mandates, or whether it's, you know, customers in Europe or in Latin America that obviously have those mandates in their home countries and in other countries where they're doing business.

Speaker #4: And that every customer that I've talked to, this is either something they are actively doing or it's certainly on their radar screen. Whether it's a US customers that are doing business in other countries with those mandates or whether it's customers in Europe or in Latin America, that obviously have those mandates in their home countries.

Speaker #4: And in other countries where they're doing business. So we see that as an opportunity to grow, to help our customers grow, spend with us, and they're looking for us to help consolidate some of the work that they're doing in that category.

Chris Young: So we see that as an opportunity to grow, to help our customers grow, spend with us, and they're looking for us to help consolidate some of the work that they're doing in that category. We believe AI is earlier still than where we are with compliance and e-invoicing, but we see AI as an opportunity there. We've introduced other additional products in our portfolio. Services we're offering around returns processing, exemption certificate management is another category, where we've, you know, brought some new product to market just last year. So we see opportunities for growth with our customers, and we're really trying to lean heavily into new products that we can bring to them. And then, as I said on the call, where we...

Speaker #4: We believe AI, it's earlier still than where we are with compliance and e-invoicing, but we see AI as an opportunity there. We've introduced other additional products in our portfolio, services we're offering around returns processing, certificate exemption certificate management is another category, where we've brought some new product to market just last year.

Speaker #4: So, we see opportunities for growth with our customers, and we're really trying to lean heavily into new products that we can bring to them.

Speaker #4: And then, as I said on the call, where we're also trying to engage customers more directly to prevent attrition. And some of that's about just understanding their needs, being proactive about that.

Chris Young: You know, we're also trying to, to engage customers more directly to prevent attrition. Some of that's about just understanding their needs, being proactive about that, even to the point where as we identify customers who are at risk, I'm getting on the phone with them myself and talking to them and making sure that we understand what their needs are, so we can better serve them going forward. In some cases, I've seen some examples where we've been able to turn a situation that might have been challenged into one where we're able to do more with those customers, and that's, that's what I'm shooting for here with our team.

Speaker #4: Even to the point where, as we identify customers who are at risk, I'm getting on the phone with them myself and talking to them, and making sure that we understand what their needs are so we can better serve them going forward.

Speaker #4: And in some cases, I've seen some examples where we've been able to

Speaker #1: Will determine a situation that might have been challenged into one where we're able to do more with those customers , and that's that's what I'm shooting for here with our those customers , team , with and that's that's what I'm shooting for here with our team .

Chris Quintero: I thought-

Speaker #2: I .

Operator 2: The next question comes from Joshua Reilly from Needham. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question comes from Joshua Reilly from Needham. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: The next question comes from Joshua Riley from Needham . Please go ahead .

Joshua Reilly: All right, great. Thanks for taking my questions, and congrats, Chris, on joining the company here. As we think about the pipeline for 2026, it seems like the biggest swing factor for accelerating ARR growth is still winning those SAP ECC customers, given the size of those potential deals and volume of customers. Is that how you're thinking about things as well, and how is that pipeline shaping up today?

Speaker #4: All right . Great . Thanks for taking my questions . And congrats , Chris , on joining the company here . As we think about the pipeline for 2026 , it seems like the biggest swing factor for accelerating AR growth is still winning those sap IC customers .

Speaker #4: Given the size of those potential deals and volume of customers, is that how you're thinking about things as well? And how is that pipeline shaping up today?

Chris Young: Yeah, we've had a good 2025 in our SAP pipeline, and I shared with you all some of the wins that, you know, that were part of that migration that customers are doing with SAP ECC to S/4HANA. You know, the way I would characterize it is, I think some of the expectations that were there a year ago are, you know, we didn't realize it the way I think the way it was expected a year ago.

Speaker #1: Yeah , we've we've had a good so we had a good 2025 in our SAP pipeline . And I shared with you all some of the wins that you know , that were that were part of that , that migration , that , that customers are doing with SAP to IC , to S four Hana , you know , we the way I would I would characterize it is I think some of the the expectations that were there a year ago .

Speaker #1: Are , you know , we didn't realize it the way I think , the way it was expected a year ago . But we do continue to see sort of a steady , I would say , a steady growth of these opportunities .

Chris Young: But we do continue to see sort of a steady, I would say, a steady growth of these opportunities, and we're winning our, you know, we're winning our same win rates, you know, on each one of these opportunities as they come up. But I think a couple things that we're seeing. One is it's taking customers longer. I think you've seen some of that in the broader markets, market space. And we're also seeing that, it's, you know, it's not necessarily like... The timing is a little harder to predict when, you know, when the tax engine decision will happen in their overall migration process. But, you know, we're, you know, we have a very close partnership with SAP. We work very closely with their teams.

Speaker #1: And , and we're winning our , you know , we're winning our same win rates , you know , on each one of these opportunities come as they up .

Speaker #1: But I think a couple of things that we're seeing , one is it's taking customers longer . I think you've seen some of that in the broader markets , in market space .

Speaker #1: And we're also seeing that it's you know , it's not necessarily like the timing is a little harder to predict when , you know , when the tax engine decision will happen in their overall migration process .

Speaker #1: But , you know , we have a we're you know , close partnership with SAP . We work very closely with with their teams .

Chris Young: We also obviously work very closely with the, you know, the big-- A lot of our SIs and the Big Four accounting firms that work very closely in this space. You know, they, you know, they always propose us as the core enterprise solution for this, you know, because of the, the, you know, the work that, and the value that we're able to bring to customers. And so, you know, we feel good about this pipeline. We feel good about our win rates. But, you know, but I think we just-- we wanna be balanced about, you know, how we're gonna see that business flow over the course of the next couple of years.

Speaker #1: obviously We work very closely with the , you know , the a our big lot of size and the big four accounting firms that work very this closely in space .

Speaker #1: You know , they you know , they always propose us as the core enterprise solution for this . You know , because of the , you know , the work that and the value that we're able to bring to customers .

Speaker #1: And so , you know , we feel good about this pipeline . good about our win . But , you know , but I think we just we want to be balanced about , we're going to see that you know , how over the business flow course of the next couple of years .

Joshua Reilly: Understood. What does it look like in terms of the expanding customer service, or customer success to a wider group of customers in terms of, do you need to hire more people? You know, can you give us a sense of what are the thresholds to get this expanded service and how quickly that's gonna be implemented? Thank you.

Speaker #4: Understood . What does it look like in terms of the expanding customer service or customer success to a wider group of customers in terms of do you need to hire more people , you know , can you give us a sense of what are the thresholds to get this expanded service and how quickly that's going to be implemented ?

Chris Young: It's actually, Josh, one of the biggest focus areas for me with AI is our customer success and customer support. I think we can do both. Like, we will add, you know, people in some targeted places, but more importantly, this is an area where we have an opportunity to make our team members more efficient so they can actually, you know, spend more time with customers and, you know, less time filling out paperwork on the back end or hunting for information, understanding. You know, because as you can imagine, you know, every interaction with a customer requires them to get information, understand what's happening in the customer's environment.

Speaker #4: Thank you .

Speaker #1: It's actually one of the it's actually Josh , one of the one of the biggest focus areas for me with AI is our customer success and customer support .

Speaker #1: I think we can we can like do both we will add people in some targeted places , but more importantly , this is an area where we have an opportunity to make our team members more efficient so they can actually spend more time with customers .

Speaker #1: And , you know , less time filling out paperwork on the back end or hunting for information understanding . Because as you can imagine , you know , a every interaction with a customer requires them to get information , understand what's happening in the customer's environment .

Chris Young: We believe we can. We're gonna automate all of that with AI, and that will allow our customer success team to spend more time being proactive with customers. We can help cover more accounts. And some accounts, we believe we can help cover just, you know, even directly with AI. You know, there are a lot of customers who just wanna get answers to the questions that they have or just want us to be able to surface ways in which they can get more value out of the product, and we're doing that through some of the AI tools that are built directly into the product itself. So this is an area where AI will play a larger and larger role for us.

Speaker #1: believe we can . We're going to automate all We of that with with AI , and that will allow our customer Success team to spend more time being proactive with customers .

Speaker #1: We can we can help cover more accounts and some accounts . We believe we can help cover just , you know , directly know , there AI .

Speaker #1: You are a lot of customers who just want to get answers to the questions that they have or just want us to be able to surface ways in which they can get more product .

Speaker #1: the value out of And we're we're doing that through some of the tools that AI are built directly into the product itself . So this is a this is an area where AI will play a larger and larger role for us .

Chris Young: The goal is really to just drive more customer satisfaction, drive higher touch. And that is, that is something customers are asking for. They, you know, the reason they rely on Vertex is that we solve, in many cases, complex problems for them. And so at times, they need us to help sort through that complexity with them. And we'll do that with great people, like the ones we have on the team today, and we'll do that by augmenting those people with AI, as well as bringing AI directly to the customer.

Speaker #1: The goal is really to just drive more customer satisfaction and drive higher touch . And that's and that is that is something customers are asking for .

Speaker #1: They , you know , the reason they rely on vertex is that we solve in many cases , complex problems for them . And so at need us to times they help sort through that complexity with them .

Speaker #1: And we'll do that with great people like the ones that we have on the team today . And we'll do that by augmenting those people with AI , as well as bringing AI directly to the customer .

Joshua Reilly: Awesome. Thank you so much, guys.

Speaker #4: Awesome . Thank you so much , guys .

Operator 2: The next question comes from Daniel Jester from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question comes from Daniel Jester from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: The next question comes from Daniel Jester from BMO Capital Markets . Please go ahead .

Daniel Jester: Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. So, Chris, maybe, maybe just sort of pull a little bit more on the AI thread. You commented in your prepared remarks about the need to innovate faster, and, you know, I suspect, you know, I'd love your perspective on, on how you can do that. And maybe as a follow-up to that, you know, what's the philosophy around inorganic opportunities, tuck-ins on the technology side to help along that journey? Thanks.

Speaker #5: Good morning and thank you for taking my questions . So , Chris , maybe just sort of pull a little bit more on the AI thread .

Speaker #5: You commented in your prepared remarks about the need to innovate faster , and I suspect you know , I love your perspective on , on on how you can do that .

Speaker #5: And maybe as a follow up to that , you know , what's the philosophy around inorganic opportunities , tuck ins on the technology side to help along that journey ?

Speaker #5: Thanks .

Chris Young: You know, look, I think that we just, every company can move faster in this regard, so I'll just say that at the top. And I think we have done some good work, as I mentioned. You know, I like what we've done with Smart Categorization. I like the Copilot that we have in our product. But you know, I'm working with our teams, and our focus is on just speeding up everything that we're doing, bringing AI, you know, to our product portfolio in more places.

Speaker #1: know , You look , I think I think that that we just every company can move faster in this regard . So I'll just say that at the at the top .

Speaker #1: And I think we we have done some good work , as I mentioned , you know , I like what we've done with smart categorization .

Speaker #1: I like the copilot that we have in our product . But , you know , I'm I'm working with our teams and , and our focus is on just speeding up everything that we're bringing AI , doing , you know , to our product portfolio and more places , you know , for example , we have opportunities not only to help our customers with , you know , categorizing SKUs and making sure we're mapping that to appropriate tax rules , but also our helping customers manage high volumes of of tax content , helping our customers with returns , filing .

Chris Young: You know, for example, we have opportunities not only to help our customers with, you know, categorizing SKUs and making sure we're mapping that to appropriate tax rules, but also helping our customers manage, you know, high volumes of tax content, helping our customers with returns filing. As I mentioned, there's a series of processes that go on in and around everything that we deliver through tax calculation or determination. And this is where, you know, I believe, you know, we can move more quickly to deliver AI. Much of it is in our roadmap for this year, but, you know, as I tell our teams, you know, our customers don't want it... You know, they want it now. They don't want it in six months from now or a year from now.

Speaker #1: As I mentioned, there's a series of processes that go on in and around everything that we deliver through tax calculation or determination.

Speaker #1: and this is And where I believe we can move more quickly to deliver AI . It's in our . Much of it roadmap for this year .

Speaker #1: But , as I , you know , as I tell our teams , you know , our customers don't want it . You know , they want it now .

Speaker #1: They don't want it in a , in a in six months from now or a year from now . So we're , you know , we're shifting our priority in that direction .

Chris Young: So we're, you know, we're shifting our priority in that direction, and a lot of it is in response to helping our customers get more value from what we do. And as it relates to inorganic, you know, we continue to be active in the market through partnerships, like the one we have with Kintsugi, and we're, you know, we're looking at opportunities to add capability to our portfolio. And so you'll see us, you know, be active where we think that makes sense for the business. But we are looking at all ways in which we can deliver more value to customers, all ways in which we can bring more AI innovation into the company.

Speaker #1: And a lot of it is in response to helping our customers get more value from do what we . And as it relates to to inorganic , you will we , we continue to be active in the market through partnerships like the one we have with .

Speaker #1: And we're , you know , we're looking at at opportunities to add capability to our portfolio . And so you'll see us , you know , be active where we we think that makes sense for the business .

Speaker #1: But are we we are looking at all ways in which we can deliver more value to customers . All ways in which we can bring more AI innovation into the company .

Chris Young: We're doing it, I just wanna be clear about this, we're doing it both, internal to the company itself, as well as in through our product portfolio.

Speaker #1: And we're doing it. I just want to be clear about this. We're doing both it internal to the company itself, as well as through our product portfolio.

Daniel Jester: That's great perspective. Thank you, Chris. And then, John, maybe on free cash flow and cash generation. Appreciate the comments that you made at the prepared remarks. Any other color that you would be willing to share about how we should be thinking about the trajectory of cash generation this year? Thanks so much.

Speaker #5: That's great perspective . Thank you , Chris . And then John , maybe on on free cash flow and cash generation . Appreciate the comments that you made in the prepared remarks .

Speaker #5: Any other color that you would be willing to share about how we should be thinking about the trajectory of cash generation this year .

Speaker #5: Thanks so much .

Chris Young: Yep. No, thanks, Dan, for the question. Yeah, when I think about, you know, 2026 and sort of cash flow generation, again, I think, as you saw, we did make some pretty significant investments in 2025. You saw our R&D spend as a percent of revenue in the fourth quarter jump up to that 22%. Again, reflecting our need to lean into product opportunities that are out there. And so that activity was certainly relevant in the fourth quarter. But as I think about 2026-

John Schwab: Yep. No, thanks, Dan, for the question. Yeah, when I think about, you know, 2026 and sort of cash flow generation, again, I think, as you saw, we did make some pretty significant investments in 2025. You saw our R&D spend as a percent of revenue in the fourth quarter jump up to that 22%. Again, reflecting our need to lean into product opportunities that are out there. And so that activity was certainly relevant in the fourth quarter. But as I think about 2026-

Speaker #6: Yep . No thanks , Dan , for the question . Yeah , when I think about 20 , when I think about flow 2026 and sort of cash generation again , I think as you saw , we did we did make some pretty significant investments in 2025 .

Speaker #6: You saw our R&D spend as a percent of revenue in the fourth quarter . Jump up to that 22% , again reflecting our our need to lean into product opportunities that And are out there .

Speaker #6: so that activity was was certainly relevant in the fourth quarter . But as I think about 26 , you know , I expect that we'll see continued improvement in in free cash flow and conversion because of , you know , because of some of those spend initiatives that we've talked about , they will they will be very , very relevant in the first half of the year .

John Schwab: ... You know, I expect that we'll see continued improvement in Free Cash Flow and conversion, because of, you know, because of some of those spend initiatives that we've talked about. They will, yeah, they will be very, very relevant in the first half of the year. They should start to tail off towards the back end, and we'll see some nice pull-through from both a profitability standpoint as well as from a cash flow standpoint.

Speaker #6: They should start to tail off towards the back end and we'll see some we'll see some nice pull through from from both the profitability standpoint as well as from a cash flow standpoint .

David Brown: Great. Thank you.

Daniel Jester: Great. Thank you.

Speaker #5: Great . Thank you .

John Schwab: You bet.

Operator 2: The next question comes from Adam Hotchkiss from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question comes from Adam Hotchkiss from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: You bet .

Speaker #3: The next comes from question Adam Hotchkiss from Goldman Sachs . Please go ahead .

Adam Hotchkiss: Great, thanks so much for taking the questions. And, Chris, it's good to speak with you in a public forum. A bit of an offshoot to Dan's question. I think there's a lot being made of this idea that the deterministic nature of tax calc lends itself well to broader-based AI agent disintermediation. And I'd love for you to just address what, in your mind, a competitor looking to do something like this would have to do to be taken seriously by an enterprise customer that you currently serve, and maybe how you're positioning the company in light of that.

Speaker #7: Great . Thanks so much for taking the questions . And Chris , it's good to speak with you in a public forum , a bit of an offshoot to Dan's I think lot question .

Speaker #7: being made there's a of this idea that the deterministic nature of tax calc lends itself well to broader based AI agent disintermediation , and for you to I'd love just address what in your mind a competitor looking to do something like this would have to do to be taken seriously by an enterprise customer that you currently serve ?

Speaker #7: And maybe how you're positioning the company in light of that.

Chris Young: Thanks for the question, Adam. And yeah, I think number one, you know, as you said, the deterministic nature of tax calculation is a fortification in and of itself against AI, which is more of a probabilistic approach to the answers that they generate. And so that's number one. And the customers would tell you, they tell me, "You know, we have to be accurate to the penny." And so there's no room for hallucination, there's no room for approximation. You have to be accurate.

Speaker #1: Thanks for the question , Adam . And yeah , I think number one , you know , as you said , the deterministic nature of tax calculation is a fortification in and of itself against AI , which is more of a probabilistic approach to , to the , to the , to the , to the answers that they generate .

Speaker #1: And so that's , that's number one . And the customers would tell you , they tell me , you know , we have to be accurate to the penny .

Speaker #1: And so there's no room for hallucination . There's no room for approximation . You have to be accurate . So I think look , in the fullness of time and that could be , you know , over a long period , there's there's a lot that can be And I think done .

Chris Young: So I think, look, in the fullness of time, and that could be, you know, over a long period, there's a lot that can be done, and I think that there's a lot that will change, but I see it more as an opportunity for us rather than a detriment. You know, other parts of what we do that are, I think very much, very much, you know, in the proprietary nature of our business is all the work that we do around tax content. It's around the rules that we work with our customers to build into their into their determination engines. Much of that is proprietary. It's not as simple as doing a web search. And there's a tremendous amount of expertise that goes into it. It's not dissimilar...

Speaker #1: that there's a lot that will change . But I see it more as an opportunity for us rather than a detriment . You know , other parts of what we do that , that are , I think , very much , very much , you know , in the , in the proprietary nature of our business is , is all the work that we do around tax content .

Speaker #1: It's around the rules that we work with our customers to build into their into their determination engines . Much of that is proprietary .

Speaker #1: simple It's not as as doing a web search . And there's and there's a tremendous amount of expertise that goes into it . It's not dissimilar .

Chris Young: For example, obviously, there's a lot going on out there in the market in terms of using tools to develop code. And, you know, there's been a lot of talk about Vibe Coding as an example. But the reality is, Vibe Coding is a heck of a lot harder than it is for an experienced engineer to pick up a coding tool and get it to, you know, help that person become a lot more productive. And, you know, in this case, you know, our expertise in tax is something that I think we can use to leverage the power of AI, and it would take a lot longer for an inexperienced person to somehow figure out how to use that to do what we do with the kinds of expertise that we have in-house to the company.

Speaker #1: For example , obviously there's a lot out there in going on the market in terms of using tools to develop code . And , you know , there's been a lot of talk about coding as an example , but the reality is coding is a heck of a lot harder than it is for an experienced engineer to pick up a coding tool and get it to , you know , and get it to help person that become a lot more productive .

Speaker #1: And , you know , in this case , you know , our expertise in tax is something that I think we can use to to leverage the power of AI .

Speaker #1: And it would take a lot longer for an inexperienced person to somehow figure out how to that to do what we do with the kinds of expertise that we have in-house to the company .

Chris Young: Along with that, we're deeply embedded in our customers' infrastructure, deeply integrated with the ERP. Those are not insignificant points of integration. You know, we integrate with point-of-sale systems, we integrate with payroll systems, HR systems, CRM tools. So the integration points in and of themselves are also quite complex in many organizations. And so there's-- All that being said, I think, we are-- we sit in a very strong position. In the long run, anything can happen, but I also believe that, you know, we're more well positioned to benefit from AI and to bring AI-related capabilities to our customers than I worry about AI disintermediating us in any sort of a reasonable timeframe.

Speaker #1: Along with that , we're deeply embedded , embedded in our customers infrastructure , deeply integrated with the ERP . Those are not insignificant points of integration .

Speaker #1: You know , we integrate with point of sale systems . We integrate with payroll systems , HR systems , CRM tools . So the integration points in and of themselves are also quite complex in many organizations .

Speaker #1: And so there's all that being said , think I we are we sit in a very strong position in the long , long run .

Speaker #1: Anything can happen . But I also believe that , you know , we're more well positioned to benefit from AI and to bring AI related capabilities to our customers than I worry about AI disintermediating us in any sort of a reasonable time frame .

Adam Hotchkiss: Okay, great. That's really insightful. Appreciate that. And then, John, when you think about the decel from sort of the 17 to 18% ARR growth you were doing in 2023, 2024, to the 11% we're at now, how would you sort of stack order what has contributed most to that 600 to 700 basis points of decel across things like entitlements, cross-sell, upsell, attrition, market momentum, and cloud ERP? Just any way you think about that breakdown and how you plan on addressing that as we go forward would be really helpful. Thanks.

Speaker #7: Okay , great . That's that's really insightful . Appreciate that . And then , John , when you think about the decel from sort of the 17 to 18% IRR growth , you were doing in 23 , 24 to the 11% we're at now , how would you sort of stack order what is contributed most to that ?

Speaker #7: 6 to 700 basis points of decel across things like entitlements , cross-sell , upsell , attrition , market momentum in cloud , ERP , just any way you think about that breakdown and how you plan on addressing that as we go forward would be really helpful .

John Schwab: Yeah, just maybe walking through the breakdown of the different components that drive it. I think, you know, we talked a little bit about churn's been a, you know, churn's down a point or so in that time frame. Again, you've seen, you know, entitlement, you know, you've seen that's one, that's one that gets to GRR. Then working through the NRR calculation. You know, NRR, we've seen entitlements contributing a point and a half or so to that, to that flow. Which again, we talked a little bit about that and talking about how that. You know, we've seen that kind of ebb and flow, and many times that's been really related to specific factors in the business.

Speaker #7: Thanks .

Speaker #6: Yeah . Just maybe walking through the breakdown of the different components that drive it , I think , you know , we talked a little bit about churns .

Speaker #6: Then turns down a point or so in that time frame . Again , you've seen , you know , entitlement , you've seen that's one that's one that gets to grr .

Speaker #6: Then working through the Nr calculation , Nr , we've entitlements contributing a point and a half or so to that , to that , to that flow , which again , we talked a little bit about that and talking about how that , you know , we've seen that kind of ebb and flow and many times that's been really related to specific factors in the business .

John Schwab: And so that is something that we do anticipate, that we ought to see get back, to a more normalized, more normalized rate over time. And then again, there's been a little. There's been some softness in the, in the cross-sell and upsell, you know, and those migration that migration activity that takes place. And so, again, all of the different factors are contribute, you know, are, are contributing in there. I think one of the real strong bright spots that we've seen is that new sales opportunity. New sales, new sales grew significantly in 2025, and so I think that was, that was a very strong hot point for us.

Speaker #6: And so that is something that we do anticipate that we ought to see get back to a more normalized , more normalized rate over time .

Speaker #6: And then again , there's been a little there's been some softness in the in the cross-sell and upsell . And those migration , that migration activity that takes place .

Speaker #6: And so again , all of the different factors are contributing are contributing in there . I think one of the real strong bright spots that we've seen is that new sales opportunity , the new sales , new sales grew significantly in 2025 .

Speaker #6: And so I think that was that was a very strong hot point for us . But again , there has been a little bit of push , push as we've talked about throughout the year around that additional entitlements being a big piece of that .

John Schwab: But again, there has been a little bit of push, you know, as we talked about throughout the year, around that additional entitlements being a big piece of that. And again, some factors within our control, many of those factors are not in our control. And then the cross-sell, upsell has been a bit softer, been a little bit softer over time. And I think Chris talked about the ways that we're developing new products to really address customer needs and ensuring we're taking the customer-first approach into addressing them on our product map as we move forward.

Speaker #6: And again , some , some factors within our control , some , some many of those factors are not in our control . And then the cross-sell upsell has been a bit softer , been a over time .

Speaker #6: And I think Chris about little bit softer the ways that talked we're developing new products to really address customer needs and ensuring we're taking the customer first approach into addressing , addressing them on our product map as we move forward .

Adam Hotchkiss: Okay, that's great. Thank you both.

Speaker #7: Okay . That's great . Thank you both .

John Schwab: Cool. Thanks.

Speaker #6: Thanks .

Operator 2: The next question comes from Brett Huff, from Stephens Inc. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question comes from Brett Huff, from Stephens Inc. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: The next question comes from Hoff Brett from Stephan , Inc. please go ahead .

Brett Huff: Good morning. Thanks for the time. And Chris, I'll echo the welcome. Looking forward to working with you, and John and Joe, nice to speak with you also. One more question on AI, relative to the entitlements question. Some of the folks we've been talking with, given the AI disintermediation, sort of, you know, hair on fire hysteria, want to ask the explicit question: Have you seen any AI tech budget crowding out that might have driven the entitlement slowdown or some of the ARR slowdown you guys have seen? I know it's probably hard to divine, to discern that, but wanted to ask that question explicitly.

Speaker #8: Good morning . Thanks for the time . And Chris , I'll echo the welcome . Looking forward to working with you and John and Joe .

Speaker #8: Nice to speak with you also . One more question on AI relative to the entitlements question . Some of the folks we've been talking with , given the AI disintermediation , sort of , you know , hair on fire hysteria , want to ask the explicit question , have you seen any AI tech budget crowding that might have driven the entitlement slowdown or some of the slowdown ?

Speaker #8: You guys have seen ? I know hard to to it's define , to discern that , to ask that question explicitly .

Chris Young: We have not seen that explicitly in the activity that's going on in the field. In fact, you know, we have customers in the AI space, ourselves, that are, you know, doing business with us, which is a good testament to how, you know, they see the strength of our solution. But, you know, I... It's hard to characterize where all the budget is going, but we have not seen that in our particular business as of yet.

Speaker #1: We have not seen that explicitly in our in the activity on in that's going the field , in fact , you know , we have customers in the AI space ourselves that are that are , you know , doing business with us , which which is a a good testament to how , you know , they see the strength of our solution .

Speaker #1: But , you know , I it's hard to characterize where all the budget is going , but we have not seen that in our in our particular business as of yet .

Brett Huff: Okay, that's super helpful. Then, on the e-invoicing, we're really excited about that opportunity and think the right to win for you all is great. But know that you were working on sort of getting to more countries as quickly as possible with the tech that you guys bought, just knowing there's the mandates coming down the pipe so that, you know, people are starting to make decisions. Can you give us an update on that? You know, and are we getting to the critical mass relative to the mandate timing, that we're, that were set up to, to be well-positioned to win some of those deals?

Speaker #8: Okay . That's super helpful . And then on the invoicing , we're really excited about that opportunity . And think the right to win for you all is great .

Speaker #8: But know that you were working on sort of getting to more countries as quickly as possible with the tech that you guys bought .

Speaker #8: Just knowing there's the mandates coming down the pipe so that , you know , people are starting to make decisions . Can you give us an update on that ?

Speaker #8: know , and the are we You critical mass relative to the mandate timing that we're that we're set up to , to be well positioned to win some of those deals ?

Chris Young: We are, Brett. We're in 39 countries now. That was a big push that the company made, you know, over the last, you know, the back half of last year, I would say, and it's been a big push for us, you know, going into and through 2026. The ecosio team has been executing really, really well in this regard, as well as has the rest of the Vertex team. You know, we've now got a combined compliance and e-invoicing offering, which, you know, allows us to, you know, to basically connect our customers' VAT calculation with e-invoicing. Because if you think about this, it's an end-to-end compliance solution that our customers, particularly the large companies, ultimately want.

Speaker #1: We are . Brett . We we're in 39 countries now . That was a big push that the company made , you know , over the last , you know , the back half of last year .

Speaker #1: I would say and it's been a big push for us , you know , going into and through 2026 , the team has been executing really , really well in this regard as well as has the rest of the vertex team .

Speaker #1: You know , we've now got a combined compliance and e-invoicing offering , which allows us to , you know , to take basically connect our customers that calculation with E-invoicing because you think about this , it's an end to end compliance solution that our customers , particularly the large companies , ultimately want .

Chris Young: But on the ground, you know, we just had a mandate from Belgium, which we're in market, you know, able to serve. We'll be ready for France as it comes up, ready for Germany as it comes up. And, you know, we've been, you know, marching down the path of making sure that we've got coverage for all the major countries, where we sell and where our customers are focused.

Speaker #1: But on the ground , you know , we just had a mandate from Belgium , we're in which market in know , able to be ready .

Speaker #1: We'll for France as it comes up , ready for Germany as it comes up . And we've you know , we've been , you know , marching down the path of of making sure that we've got coverage for all the major countries where we sell and where our customers are focused .

Brett Huff: Great. Those are my questions. Appreciate the time.

Speaker #8: Great . Those are my questions . Appreciate the time .

Chris Young: Yeah. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Yeah . Thank you .

Operator 2: The next question comes from Patrick Walravens, from Citizens JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question comes from Patrick Walravens, from Citizens JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: The next question comes from Patrick Walravens from JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Patrick Walravens: Oh, great. Thanks very much. And Chris, let me add my congratulations. We're all really excited when we saw that you were taking this role. So, you know, this is sort of the one time to ask this question, I think. But with, you know, the stock's gone from $56 to $15 in a year, right? And investors just want to understand, I think, what went wrong. And you coming in from the outside, having had these three months, gives you a really unique perspective on it. First step to recovery is acknowledging the problem, right? So you touched on a number of things. You touched on the pace of innovation, down-market churn, SAP didn't come in as expected. But, you know, what did you figure—what was the root cause? You know, what was the biggest thing?

Speaker #5: Oh , great . Thanks very much . And Chris , let me add my congratulations . We're all really excited . we When saw that you were taking this role .

Speaker #5: So , you know , this is sort of the the one time to ask this question I think . But you know the stock's gone from 56 to $15 a year right .

Speaker #5: And and investors just want to understand I think what went wrong . And you coming in from the outside and having had these three months gives you a really unique perspective on it .

Speaker #5: First step to recovery is acknowledging the problem . Right . So you touched You touched on a number of things . on the pace of innovation , down market churn , SAP didn't come in as expected , but you know , what have you figured ?

Speaker #5: What the root You know , what was the thing ? If you look Sridhar when he came into snowflake , you know , I think he determined that the product velocity just wasn't there under prior administration .

Patrick Walravens: If you look at Sridhar when he came into Snowflake, you know, I think he determined that the product velocity just wasn't there under prior administration. But in this case, what do you think the root cause was?

Speaker #5: But in this case , what do you think the what do you think the root cause was ?

Chris Young: First of all, Patrick, thanks for the question, and I definitely know that none of our investors want to see that kind of activity, and, you know, obviously, my goal is to actually turn it around in the opposite direction from where it's been. There's a few things. One, are some of the factors we talked about on the call. Entitlement growth did slow. We had a big entitlement year in 2024. That came back down in 2025, and that was a factor in our own growth. We did see more attrition in 2025 than we had seen in previous years.

Speaker #1: Here's a here's a first of all , Patrick , thanks for the question . And I , I definitely I definitely know that none of our investors want to see that that kind of activity .

Speaker #1: And you know , obviously my goal is to is to actually turn it around in the opposite direction from from where it's been .

Speaker #1: There's a few things . are some of the factors we talked about on the call entitlement , growth . Did had a slow .

Speaker #1: big entitlement We year in 2024 that came back down in 2025 , and that was that was factor in a our own growth .

Speaker #1: We see more did in 2025 than we had seen in years , and previous that's , you know , I think some of that is is due to , you know , a growth in smaller customers that we didn't serve as well as we could , which is why we're we're expanding some of our focus there with our customer success teams to make sure that we're , you know , we're solving their problems and that we're proactive about , you know , making them successful .

Chris Young: And that's. You know, I think some of that is due to the, you know, a growth in smaller customers that, you know, we didn't serve as well as we could, which is why we're expanding some of our focus there with our customer success teams to make sure that we're, you know, we're solving their problems and that we're proactive about, you know, making them successful. That's something that's not unique in the SaaS business for many of our, you know, many of our peers and others out there in the market landscape. And so we're taking a more proactive approach, particularly around that cohort. And then I do think that there is more need for us to move faster on our product innovation as well.

Speaker #1: That's something that's not unique in the SaaS business for for many of our , you know , many of our others peers and out there in the market landscape .

Speaker #1: And so we're we're taking a more proactive approach , particularly around that , that cohort . And then I do think that there is there is more need for us to move faster on our product innovation as well .

Chris Young: It's a little-- It's congruent with what I spoke about on the call, which is, you know, our customers want to see us move more quickly. Like, as proud as I am of the work that we've done around AI, as I also mentioned, there's so much more that we could be doing. And, you know, we're not at a point yet where we're generating meaningful revenue from that part of our business, and that's a place where we just got to move more quickly, and pivot our product portfolio more in that direction to give more value, uh, to our customers. And so that's a big piece of what I'm focused on. I think the opportunity-- I mean, I know the opportunity is there.

Speaker #1: It's a little it's it's congruent with what I spoke about on the call , which is , you know , our customers want to see us move more quickly , like as I as as am of the work that we've done around AI , as mentioned , I also there's so much more that we could be doing .

Speaker #1: you know , we're not at And , a point yet where we're generating meaningful from revenue that part of our business . And that's a place where we just got more to move quickly and pivot our product portfolio more in that direction to give more value to our customers .

Speaker #1: And so that's a big piece of focused on . I think what I'm the opportunity I mean , I know the opportunity is there .

Chris Young: That's one of the reasons why I wanted to come to Vertex. But there's definitely a speed element, you know, for us that we have to improve. A lot of that is about our product, you know, delivering value from our product portfolio. It's a place where I'm very focused personally with our teams, because I think this is something that if we can do it well, if we can move more quickly here, and you see some signs of that in terms of what we've done with e-invoicing and compliance. But even there, you know, the teams and I are pushing very hard to go faster to meet more of our customers' needs more quickly than we have in the past.

Speaker #1: That's that's one of the reasons why I wanted to come to vertex . But there's a there's definitely a speed element . For us that we have to improve .

Speaker #1: A lot of that is about our our product . You delivering value from our product portfolio . It's a it's a it's a place where I'm very focused personally with our teams because I think this is something that that if we if we can do it well , if we can move more quickly here and you see some signs of that in terms of what we've done with E-invoicing and compliance , but even there , you know , the teams and I are pushing very hard to go faster , to meet more of our customers needs more quickly than we have in the past .

Joe Crivelli: All right. That's fantastic. Thank you.

Patrick Walravens: All right. That's fantastic. Thank you.

Speaker #5: All right . That's fantastic . Thank you .

Operator 2: The next question comes from Alex Sklar from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question comes from Alex Sklar from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: The next question comes from Alex Sklar from Raymond James . Please go ahead .

John Massicotte: Hi, thanks for taking the question. This is actually John Massinon for Alex. Chris, I realize you talked about it quite a bit on the call here in the prepared remarks and the Q&A, but I wanted to ask on AI. Have you seen customers adopt specific budgets targeted towards AI investments? And any color you can share on how you're benefiting from those budgets with smart categorization, or if it's acted as a spark around your product roadmap? Just anything you can touch on there, tapping into those AI budgets.

John Massinon: Hi, thanks for taking the question. This is actually John Massinon for Alex. Chris, I realize you talked about it quite a bit on the call here in the prepared remarks and the Q&A, but I wanted to ask on AI. Have you seen customers adopt specific budgets targeted towards AI investments? And any color you can share on how you're benefiting from those budgets with smart categorization, or if it's acted as a spark around your product roadmap? Just anything you can touch on there, tapping into those AI budgets.

Speaker #9: Hi . Thanks for taking the question . This is actually John Messina on for Alex . Chris , I realize you talked about it quite a bit on the call here in the prepared remarks and Q&A , but I wanted to ask on AI , have you seen customers adopt specific budgets targeted towards AI investments and any color you can share on how you're benefiting from those budgets ?

Speaker #9: With smart categorization , or if it's acted as a spark around your product roadmap . Just anything you can touch on there . Tapping into AI budgets .

Chris Young: You know, I'm asking. Thanks, Alex, for that question. I'm asking that question in every customer conversation I have, you know, do you have a mandate? Do you have a specific budget? You know, is there something that's coming down from the CEO or the CFO, CIO, where they're expecting you to do certain things? And I will tell you, the answers are kind of all over the map. Some organizations are front foot forward on this, others aren't quite sure where they need to be. What I will say is everybody is open to getting more value, but I will say I haven't seen like there's not an across-the-board mandate to do more with AI.

Speaker #1: You know , I'm asking . Thanks , Alex , for that question . I'm asking that question in customer every conversation I have is , you know , do you have a mandate ?

Speaker #1: Do you have a specific budget ? You know , is there something that's coming down from the CEO or the CFO ? CIO they're where expecting you to do certain things ?

Speaker #1: And I will tell you , the answers are kind of all over the map . Some organizations are front foot forward on this , others aren't quite sure where to they need be .

Speaker #1: What I will say is everybody is open to getting more value , but I will . But I will say I haven't seen like there's not a across the board mandate to to do more with AI .

Chris Young: However, what I am hearing from customers is that, you know, they want—you know, if they can show value with AI, they believe they're able to get budget for it. And that's something that we're gonna be leaning into a lot harder because we think that's where our opportunity exists.

Speaker #1: However , what I am hearing from customers is that , you know , they want , you know , if they if they can show value with AI , they believe they're able to get budget for it .

Speaker #1: And that's that's something that we'll want to that we're going to be leaning into a lot harder because we think that's that's where our opportunity exists .

John Massicotte: Okay, great. Thanks. That was helpful color there. And then I realize it's been touched on, but John, NRR has moderated some, given the entitlements headwinds that you've called out and things like that. But given that dynamic and maybe the mixed macro backdrop here moving forward, can you talk about what NRR exit rates really embedded in your outlook? And I realize it's been relatively consistent, but how should we think about pricing as a growth lever?

John Massinon: Okay, great. Thanks. That was helpful color there. And then I realize it's been touched on, but John, NRR has moderated some, given the entitlements headwinds that you've called out and things like that. But given that dynamic and maybe the mixed macro backdrop here moving forward, can you talk about what NRR exit rates really embedded in your outlook? And I realize it's been relatively consistent, but how should we think about pricing as a growth lever?

Speaker #9: Okay , great . Thanks I was helpful color there . And then I realize it's been touched on , but John has has moderated some given the entitlement headwinds that you've called out and things like that .

Speaker #9: But given that dynamic and mixed the maybe macro backdrop forward , here moving can you talk about what Nr exit rates really embedded in your outlook ?

Speaker #9: And I realize it's been relatively consistent , but how should we think about pricing as a growth lever ?

John Schwab: Yeah, no, thanks for the question, John. Appreciate it. In terms of, you know, in terms of NRR, you're right. I mean, it has-- we have seen that moderate a bit over the last couple of years. And when I think about sort of where the exit rate is, we do think, you know, there ought to-- we should be able to grow through our implications of the guidance that we delivered. There should be some growth in that coming out. You know, we don't expect to snap ourselves back to kind of where we started the year, but I think we do think that there is opportunity to grow that and see some nice activity and good movement over time.

Speaker #6: . Yeah , no Thanks for the question John . Appreciate it . In terms of in terms of gnrh-r , you're right . I mean , it has we have seen that moderate a bit over the last couple of years .

Speaker #6: when I And think where the about sort of exit rate is , we do think there ought to we should be able to grow through our implications of the guidance that we delivered .

Speaker #6: There should be some growth in that coming out . I you know , we don't expect to snap ourselves back to kind of where we started the year .

Speaker #6: But I think we do think that there is opportunity to grow that and see some and see some nice activity and good movement over time .

John Schwab: You know, we've tried to build, we've tried to build what we've seen in the market in 2025 into the budget, and then with, you know, kind of what our, what our, you know, what the pipelines look like and how the environment feels. I think that's been built in nicely. Then in terms of pricing, I think pricing, you know, has continued to be a big part of the algorithm. It's something that we always are very mindful of, because, again, delivering value to our customers and having... and making sure that they understand that the value that we're delivering allows us to be very front foot leaning on that, you know, on the pricing toggle. So that's just an area that we continue to rely on.

Speaker #6: And , you know , to we've tried build , we've tried to build what we've seen in the market in 2025 into , into the budget .

Speaker #6: And then with , you know , kind of what our , what our , you know , what the pipelines look like and how the environment feels .

Speaker #6: I think that's been built in , in nicely and in terms of , I think pricing pricing has continued to be a big part of the of the algorithm .

Speaker #6: It's something always are very mindful of because , again , delivering our value to customers and and making sure that they understand that the value that we're delivering allows us to very be front foot , leaning on that , on on the pricing , on the pricing toggle .

Speaker #6: So that's just an area that we've continued to rely on again . And we need to continue to deliver value to , to make that a , to make that a continued large part of the of the algorithm .

John Schwab: Again, we'll need to continue to deliver value to make that a continued large part of the algorithm.

John Massicotte: Thank you very much.

John Massinon: Thank you very much.

John Schwab: You bet.

Speaker #9: you very Thank much .

Speaker #6: You bet .

Operator 2: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Joe Crivelli for any closing remarks.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Joe Crivelli for any closing remarks.

Speaker #3: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Joseph Crivelli for any closing remarks.

Joe Crivelli: Thanks, everybody, for joining us today. Apologies to the folks in the queue that we didn't get to. We'll certainly get to you in the follow-up calls. If anyone else has follow-up questions or would like to schedule more time with the team, please reach out to me at investors@vertexinc.com, and have a great rest of your day. We look forward to speaking with you in the coming weeks.

Speaker #10: Thanks , everybody , for joining us today . Apologies to the folks in the queue that we get to . We'll certainly get to you in the follow calls up anyone .

Speaker #10: else has follow up If questions or would like to schedule more time with the team , please reach out to me at Vertex, Inc. and have a great rest of your day .

Speaker #10: We look forward to speaking the coming with you in weeks .

Operator 2: Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now over. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines. Goodbye.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now over. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines. Goodbye.

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