Q4 2025 Mullen Group Ltd Earnings Call

February 12, 2026

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Speaker #3: I would now like to turn the conference over to Marie K. Mullen, Chair, Senior Executive Officer, and President. Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Welcome, everyone. To the year-end 2025 conference call. Now, this morning we released our results for 2025 along with the annual financial review and audited financial statements, which is a nice 120-page condensed document that's full of detailed numbers and analysis prepared by our team headed up by Carson Urlacher and Nick Woodworth.

Murray K. Mullen: Thank you. Welcome, everyone, to the Year-End 2025 Conference Call. Now, this morning, we released our results for 2025, along with the annual financial review and audited financial statements, which is a nice 120-page condensed document that's full of detail, numbers, and analysis, prepared by our team, headed up by Carson Urlacher and Nick Woodworth. So we also uploaded the annual information form. That's a 60-page detailed document, relating to Mullen Group. Now, these documents contain updated information and are available on SEDAR+ and on our website, www.mullen-group.com. So this morning, I'm going to remind everyone that today's presentation and commentary contain forward-looking statements that are based upon current expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. As such, actual results may differ materially.

Murray Mullen: Thank you. Welcome, everyone, to the Year-End 2025 Conference Call. Now, this morning, we released our results for 2025, along with the annual financial review and audited financial statements, which is a nice 120-page condensed document that's full of detail, numbers, and analysis, prepared by our team, headed up by Carson Urlacher and Nick Woodworth. So we also uploaded the annual information form. That's a 60-page detailed document, relating to Mullen Group. Now, these documents contain updated information and are available on SEDAR+ and on our website, www.mullen-group.com. So this morning, I'm going to remind everyone that today's presentation and commentary contain forward-looking statements that are based upon current expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. As such, actual results may differ materially.

Speaker #2: So we also uploaded the annual information form. That's a 60-page detailed document relating to Mullen Group. Now, these documents contain updated information on our available on Cedar Plus and on our website, www.mullen-group.com.

Speaker #2: So this morning I'm going to remind everyone that today's presentation and commentary contain forward-looking statements, that are based upon current expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, as such, actual results may differ materially.

Speaker #2: Further information identifying the risks, uncertainties, and assumptions can be found in the disclosure documents. This morning, I'm joined here in Oka-Tokes by the Senior Executive Team.

Murray K. Mullen: Further information identifying the risks, uncertainties, and assumptions can be found in the disclosure documents. This morning, I'm joined here in Okotoks by the senior executive team. That's Richard Maloney, Senior Operating Officer, Carson Urlacher, Senior Financial Officer, and Joanna Scott, who's the Senior Corporate Officer. And my name is Marie Mullen. I'm the Senior Executive Officer. On today's call, I'm going to change things up. In an effort to make this call as relevant to you as possible, we are going to head straight to the Q&A session because there's nothing new that we can add about 2025 that you haven't already heard, we haven't discussed, or we haven't disclosed. So why repeat what we pre-released on 19 January 2026? Nothing has changed. 2025 was challenging. Across all four segments, no growth, basically, which basically meant pricing came under pressure.

Murray Mullen: Further information identifying the risks, uncertainties, and assumptions can be found in the disclosure documents. This morning, I'm joined here in Okotoks by the senior executive team. That's Richard Maloney, Senior Operating Officer, Carson Urlacher, Senior Financial Officer, and Joanna Scott, who's the Senior Corporate Officer. And my name is Marie Mullen. I'm the Senior Executive Officer. On today's call, I'm going to change things up. In an effort to make this call as relevant to you as possible, we are going to head straight to the Q&A session because there's nothing new that we can add about 2025 that you haven't already heard, we haven't discussed, or we haven't disclosed. So why repeat what we pre-released on 19 January 2026? Nothing has changed. 2025 was challenging. Across all four segments, no growth, basically, which basically meant pricing came under pressure.

Speaker #2: That's Richard Maloney, Senior Operating Officer. Carson Urlacher, Senior Financial Officer and Joanna Scott, who's a Senior Corporate Officer. And my name is Marie Mullen.

Speaker #2: I'm the Senior Executive Officer. On today's call, I'm going to change things up. In an effort to make this call as relevant to you as possible.

Speaker #2: We are going to head straight to the Q&A session because there's nothing new that we can add about 2025 that you haven't already heard.

Speaker #2: We haven't discussed or we haven't disclosed. So why repeat what we previously released on January 19th, 2026? Nothing has changed. 2025 was challenging. Across all four segments, no growth, basically which basically meant pricing came under pressure.

Speaker #2: So what did we do? Well, our business units had no choice but to tighten up. A measure that mitigated the downward pressures that we felt in the market.

Murray K. Mullen: So what did we do? Well, our business units had no choice but to tighten up, a measure that mitigated the downward pressures that we felt in the market. And at corporate, we completed two acquisitions. The net result was record revenues. And when the economy rebounds, when Canada and the US come together again as friends and business partners, and when Canada finally lives up to the nation-building commitments, we will achieve record earnings. Okay, enough about 25. Some of you have joined the queue, and I don't want to keep anybody waiting. Besides, I do not like to waste people's time, especially this morning. So operator, let's open the Q&A session, please.

Murray Mullen: So what did we do? Well, our business units had no choice but to tighten up, a measure that mitigated the downward pressures that we felt in the market. And at corporate, we completed two acquisitions. The net result was record revenues. And when the economy rebounds, when Canada and the US come together again as friends and business partners, and when Canada finally lives up to the nation-building commitments, we will achieve record earnings. Okay, enough about 25. Some of you have joined the queue, and I don't want to keep anybody waiting. Besides, I do not like to waste people's time, especially this morning. So operator, let's open the Q&A session, please.

Speaker #2: And a corporate we completed two acquisitions. The net result was record revenues. And when the economy rebounds, when Canada and the US come together again as friends in business partners, and when Canada finally lives up to the nation-building commitments we will achieve record earnings.

Speaker #2: Okay, enough about 2025. Some of you have joined the queue, and I don't want to keep anybody waiting besides I do not like to waste people's time especially this morning.

Speaker #2: So operator, let's open the Q&A session, please.

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Speaker #4: Yeah, thanks. Good morning. I guess I wanted to ask about the industry dynamics. One of the things you've kind of highlighted, both in your 2026 outlook a few weeks ago but also today, is some industry capacity tightening.

Cameron Doerksen: ... Yeah, thanks, good morning. I guess I wanted to, you know, ask about the industry dynamics. One of the things you've kind of highlighted, both in your 2026 outlook a few weeks ago, but also today, is some industry capacity tightening. I wonder if you could talk a little bit more about what you're actually seeing out there in the market. You know, are you seeing some actual tangible evidence of this happening with the increased enforcement and maybe some financial difficulties with other players? Just any color you can provide on what you're seeing in the marketplace.

Speaker #4: I wonder if you can talk a little bit more about what you're actually seeing out there in the market. Are you seeing some actual, tangible evidence of this happening with the increased enforcement, and maybe some financial difficulties with other players?

Speaker #4: Just any color you can provide on what you're seeing in the marketplace.

Speaker #2: Yeah, Cameron, when we were preparing for this meeting, we thought that might be one of the questions that would come from the analyst community—is what is really happening out on the ground today?

Murray K. Mullen: Yeah. You know, Cameron, when we were preparing for this meeting, we thought that might be the question, that, you know, one of the questions that would come from the analyst community, is what is really happening out on the ground today? And, you know, we highlighted that these things have to happen for supply and demand fundamentals to change. So January is really difficult to provide a full measure on, Cameron. For first of all, you're coming out of the, you know, out of starting the year and everybody's on a spending diet after spending everything in December. And so January is always a difficult month to judge. Secondly, you had some nasty weather back east that really impacted a lot of business, and so not a good judge.

Murray Mullen: Yeah. You know, Cameron, when we were preparing for this meeting, we thought that might be the question, that, you know, one of the questions that would come from the analyst community, is what is really happening out on the ground today? And, you know, we highlighted that these things have to happen for supply and demand fundamentals to change. So January is really difficult to provide a full measure on, Cameron. For first of all, you're coming out of the, you know, out of starting the year and everybody's on a spending diet after spending everything in December. And so January is always a difficult month to judge. Secondly, you had some nasty weather back east that really impacted a lot of business, and so not a good judge.

Speaker #2: And we highlighted that these things have to happen for supply and demand fundamentals to change. So January is really difficult to provide a full measure on, Cameron, for first of all, you're coming out of the starting the year and everybody's on a diet of spending diet after spending everything in December.

Speaker #2: And so January's always a difficult month to judge. e. Secondly, you had some nasty weather back east that really impacted a lot of business.

Speaker #2: And so not a good judge. But I don't think we've seen anything up north that would tell us that capacity has tightened in a meaningful way.

Murray K. Mullen: But I don't think we've seen anything up north that would tell us that capacity has tightened in a meaningful way, and we're waiting to see what will happen later. I think March is more of a telling quarter, Cameron, to be honest with you. January is a difficult, difficult month. February is a short month. We would need to see some, some meaningful recovery in demand in March. I think everybody's saying the same thing. Now, let me just pivot for a second, because we were down with our logistics folks down in the US, and it's a different story down there, Cameron, than up in Canada. There's no doubt capacity is tightening in the US, and there's no doubt that they have a stronger demand fundamentals.

Murray Mullen: But I don't think we've seen anything up north that would tell us that capacity has tightened in a meaningful way, and we're waiting to see what will happen later. I think March is more of a telling quarter, Cameron, to be honest with you. January is a difficult, difficult month. February is a short month. We would need to see some, some meaningful recovery in demand in March. I think everybody's saying the same thing. Now, let me just pivot for a second, because we were down with our logistics folks down in the US, and it's a different story down there, Cameron, than up in Canada. There's no doubt capacity is tightening in the US, and there's no doubt that they have a stronger demand fundamentals.

Speaker #2: And we're waiting to see what will happen later I think March is more of a telling quarter, Cameron, to be honest with you. January's a difficult month.

Speaker #2: February's a short month. We would need to see some meaningful recovery in demand in March. I think everybody's saying the same thing. Now, let me just pivot for a second because we were down with our holistic folks down in the US and it's a different story down there, Cameron, than up in Canada.

Speaker #2: There's no doubt capacity's tightening in the US. And there's no doubt that they have a stronger demand fundamentals. So we've heard evidence already that there's been some quite a significant change in the spot market pricing.

Murray K. Mullen: So we've heard evidence already that there's been some quite a significant change in the spot market pricing. Not on contract pricing yet, but on spot market pricing down in the US. I haven't seen that in Canada yet. Hopefully, that helps.

Murray Mullen: So we've heard evidence already that there's been some quite a significant change in the spot market pricing. Not on contract pricing yet, but on spot market pricing down in the US. I haven't seen that in Canada yet. Hopefully, that helps.

Speaker #2: Not on contract pricing yet, but on spot market pricing down in the US. I haven't seen that in Canada yet. Hopefully, that helps.

Speaker #4: No, that does. I'm just wondering about maybe on the pricing front in Canada. I mean, obviously, still under pressure in the fourth quarter and it sounds like you're not seeing any major change yet.

Cameron Doerksen: No, that does. I'm just wondering about maybe on the pricing front in Canada, I mean, obviously still under pressure in Q4, and it sounds like you're not seeing any major change yet. But, I mean, I guess any conversations you're having with some of your customers about what their expectation is for pricing in 2026? I mean, does it feel like it's, you know, potentially gonna get better, or are we, at this point, sort of thinking that it's gonna be more flattish?

Speaker #4: But I mean, I guess any conversations you're having with some of your customers about what their expectation is for pricing in 2026, I mean, does it feel like it's potentially going to get better or are we at this point sort of thinking that it's going to be more flattish?

Murray K. Mullen: No, I, Cameron, I honestly think that everybody's still kind of like the deer in the headlights scenario. We just don't know what to do because there's no clarity. So, I'm concerned about that. You know, we can't get anything from our customers. Richard, Joe?

Murray Mullen: No, I, Cameron, I honestly think that everybody's still kind of like the deer in the headlights scenario. We just don't know what to do because there's no clarity. So, I'm concerned about that. You know, we can't get anything from our customers. Richard, Joe? Everybody's sitting on their- [crosstalk] Yeah, everybody's just sitting and waiting. We're waiting for something to happen rather than making things happen in this country, and I can understand why. I think everybody knows the all the dynamics that are going on.

Speaker #2: No, Cameron, I honestly think that everybody's still kind of like the deer in the headlight scenario. We just don't know what to do because there's no clarity.

Speaker #2: So I'm concerned about that. We can't get anything from our customers. Richard, Joe. Yeah, everybody's just sitting and waiting. We're waiting for something to happen.

Operator: Everybody's sitting on their-

Murray K. Mullen: Yeah, everybody's just sitting and waiting. We're waiting for something to happen rather than making things happen in this country, and I can understand why. I think everybody knows the all the dynamics that are going on. We don't have to beat that one to death. But I can say to you, in discussions with our peers and with our customers and whatever, there's more optimism that's gonna change. And maybe that's hope, maybe hear that that changes, but for right now, it hasn't changed yet. Everybody's still sitting on their hands, so that. You know, that's in Canada. It is significantly different down in the US market.

Speaker #2: Rather than making things happen in this country. And I can understand why. I think everybody knows the all the dynamics that are going on.

Speaker #2: We don't have to beat that one to death. But I can say to you in discussions with our peers and with our customers and whatever, there's more optimism that's going to change than maybe that's hope by mid-year that that changes.

Murray Mullen: We don't have to beat that one to death. But I can say to you, in discussions with our peers and with our customers and whatever, there's more optimism that's gonna change. And maybe that's hope, maybe hear that that changes, but for right now, it hasn't changed yet. Everybody's still sitting on their hands, so that. You know, that's in Canada. It is significantly different down in the US market. Of course, most of the data that we all look at, all of us, comes from the US market, you know, all the sonar and everything. But up here, it's still pretty loose up in Canada, Cameron.

Speaker #2: But for right now, it hasn't changed yet. Everybody's still sitting on their hands, so. That's in Canada. It is significantly different down in the US market.

Speaker #2: And of course, most of the data that you that we all look at, all of us, comes from the US market, all the solar and everything.

Murray K. Mullen: Of course, most of the data that we all look at, all of us, comes from the US market, you know, all the sonar and everything. But up here, it's still pretty loose up in Canada, Cameron.

Speaker #2: But up here, it's still pretty loose up in Canada, Cameron.

Speaker #4: Okay. All right, that's great. I appreciate the color. I'll pass it along.

Cameron Doerksen: Okay. All right, that's great. I appreciate the color. I'll pass along.

Speaker #3: Once again, if you have a question, please press star, then 1. The next question comes from Konar Krista with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Operator: Once again, if you have a question, please press Star, then One. The next question comes from Konark Gupta with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Thanks, morning, Marie and team. You mentioned, Marie, about the capacity situation Canada, US. I mean, I understand obviously US had moved a little bit faster maybe because they also saw the big surgeons in capacity over the last few years.

Konark Gupta: Thanks, morning, Murray and team. Yeah, you mentioned, Murray, about the capacity situation, Canada and US. I mean, I understand obviously US had moved a little bit faster, maybe because they also saw the big surges in capacity, you know, over the last few years. So it's a bigger peak and then, and a deeper trough in that sense. But for Canada, like, the driving situation seems like the government is trying to address that. I don't know how far they got there. But what's really the sticking point in Canada on the capacity side? I mean, like, did we not increase capacity so much that we don't have to decrease a lot, or is it something else?

Speaker #6: So it's a bigger peak and a deeper trough in that sense. But for Canada, the driving situation seems like the government is trying to address that.

Speaker #6: I don't know how far they got there. But what's really the sticky point in Canada on the capacity side? I mean, did we not increase capacity so much that we don't have to decrease a lot?

Speaker #6: Or is it something else?

Murray K. Mullen: It would have-- I, I would think that, you know, the US system is, it's more geared toward animalistic instincts. I mean, they, they... If you're not surviving, there's been a lot more bankruptcies down in the US than there has been in Canada. Now, that, I mean, there's- it's a bigger market, so you would expect that there would be more bankruptcies and more consolidation, but it's happening quite, quite regularly and quite frequently in the US. That tightening the capacity just because it has been very, very competitive. And there have been a lot of failures down in the US that tighten this capacity. At the same time, you know, they're addressing, you know, the English proficiency test and, you know, some other things that, you know, we're not doing-- We, we're not gonna do that in Canada.

Murray Mullen: It would have-- I, I would think that, you know, the US system is, it's more geared toward animalistic instincts. I mean, they, they... If you're not surviving, there's been a lot more bankruptcies down in the US than there has been in Canada. Now, that, I mean, there's- it's a bigger market, so you would expect that there would be more bankruptcies and more consolidation, but it's happening quite, quite regularly and quite frequently in the US. That tightening the capacity just because it has been very, very competitive. And there have been a lot of failures down in the US that tighten this capacity. At the same time, you know, they're addressing, you know, the English proficiency test and, you know, some other things that, you know, we're not doing-- We, we're not gonna do that in Canada.

Speaker #2: I would think that the US system is it's more geared toward animalistic instincts. I mean, they if you're not surviving, there's been a lot more bankruptcies down in the US than there has been in Canada.

Speaker #2: Now, I mean, it's a bigger market, so you would expect that there would be more bankruptcies and more consolidation. But it's happening quite regularly and quite frequently in the US.

Speaker #2: That tightening of capacity just because it's been very, very competitive and there have been a lot of failures down in the US. That tightness capacity at the same time, they're addressing the English proficiency test and some other things that we're not doing.

Speaker #2: We're not going to do that in Canada. That's not the way we do it. So I suspect the capacity won't tighten quite as fast in Canada as it will in the U.S.

Murray K. Mullen: That's not the way we do it. So I suspect, you know, the capacity won't tighten quite as fast in Canada as it will in the US. That's my expectation. But you need capacity to tighten to get rates up, Conor. That's just the reality. So is capacity gonna tighten because we have a really strong economic growth in Canada? I don't think your firm or any firm that I've seen is predicting huge economic and growth in Canada in 2026. So is it gonna tighten on the supply side? We've seen some failure.

Murray Mullen: That's not the way we do it. So I suspect, you know, the capacity won't tighten quite as fast in Canada as it will in the US. That's my expectation. But you need capacity to tighten to get rates up, Conor. That's just the reality. So is capacity gonna tighten because we have a really strong economic growth in Canada? I don't think your firm or any firm that I've seen is predicting huge economic and growth in Canada in 2026. So is it gonna tighten on the supply side? We've seen some failure.

Speaker #2: That's my expectation. But you need capacity to tighten to get rates up, Konar. That's just the reality. So is capacity going to tighten because we have a really strong economic growth in Canada?

Speaker #2: I don't think your firm or any firm that I've seen is predicting huge economic and growth in Canada in 2026. So is it going to tighten on the supply side?

Speaker #2: We've seen some failure.

Speaker #5: Not many, but yeah, few. Yeah, but not like you down in the States. Then it gets recycled, right?

Carson Urlacher: Not many, but yeah, a few. Yeah, but not like you down in the States. Then they get recycled, right?

Murray K. Mullen: They come in and see us, and they talk to us when they get into trouble. But, you know, we haven't seen enough. I think that capacity, we need to see a lot of tightening. And, you know, if we're waiting for the federal government and the governments to tighten the capacity, I'm not holding my breath on that, they you know from that. But it's gonna tighten this year, there's no doubt about it. I can't predict exactly when, but it is gonna tighten because it is tough as nails out there on a lot of our competitors.

Murray Mullen: They come in and see us, and they talk to us when they get into trouble. But, you know, we haven't seen enough. I think that capacity, we need to see a lot of tightening. And, you know, if we're waiting for the federal government and the governments to tighten the capacity, I'm not holding my breath on that, they you know from that. But it's gonna tighten this year, there's no doubt about it. I can't predict exactly when, but it is gonna tighten because it is tough as nails out there on a lot of our competitors.

Speaker #2: They come in and see us and they talk to us when they get into trouble. But we haven't seen enough. I think that capacity we need to see a lot of tightening.

Speaker #2: And if we're waiting for the federal government and the governments to tighten the capacity, I'm not holding my breath on that. From that. But it's going to tighten this year.

Speaker #2: There's no doubt about it. I can't predict exactly when. But it is going to tighten. Because it is tough as nails out there in a lot of our competitors.

Speaker #6: Makes sense. Thanks, Marie. And then on your 2026 outlook that you guys put out last month, I just want to understand how you're parsing out the top line growth drivers there.

Konark Gupta: Makes sense. Thanks, Mary. And then, on your 2026 outlook that you guys put out last month, just want to understand how you're parsing out, you know, the top line growth drivers there. So I mean, I think you are assuming about, call it 10% top line growth, give or take, in 2026. And I think, a good chunk of that, maybe, you know, 400 basis points or so, is coming from the acquisitions that you have done last year, right? So the remainder, about 6 points of growth this year, is it more dependent on new M&A, or it's a market recovery that you're betting on?

Speaker #6: So I mean, I think you're assuming about, call it, 10% top line growth, give or take, in '26. And I think a good chunk of that maybe 400 basis points or so is coming from the acquisitions.

Speaker #6: That you have done last year, right? So the remainder about six points of growth this year. Is it more dependent on new M&A or it's a market recovery that you're betting on?

Speaker #2: Well, Carson, I think yes. We’ve got to do some M&A. And on that note, we’ve already started with that. There’s no doubt. Cameron, or Konar, we’ve said for the last little bit, the only viable way to grow when the economy’s not growing—until capacity tightens—is you’ve got to do acquisitions, which we did last year.

Murray K. Mullen: Well, Carson, I think, yes. It's we've got to do some M&A, and on that note, we've already started with that. There's no, Cameron, or Conor, we've said for the last little bit, the only viable way to grow when the economy is not growing until capacity tightens, is you got to do acquisitions, which we did last year. I suspect we'll have to do some more in 2026. And guess what? We put the balance sheet in a really good position, Carson, to make sure that we could grow at the corporate level, even though the economy is not giving us anything, and we did a couple already this year, Carson.

Murray Mullen: Well, Carson, I think, yes. It's we've got to do some M&A, and on that note, we've already started with that. There's no, Cameron, or Conor, we've said for the last little bit, the only viable way to grow when the economy is not growing until capacity tightens, is you got to do acquisitions, which we did last year. I suspect we'll have to do some more in 2026. And guess what? We put the balance sheet in a really good position, Carson, to make sure that we could grow at the corporate level, even though the economy is not giving us anything, and we did a couple already this year, Carson.

Speaker #2: I suspect we'll have to do some more. In 2026. And guess what? We put the balance sheet in a really good position, Carson, to make sure that we could grow at the corporate level even though the economy is not giving us anything.

Speaker #2: And we did a couple already this year, Carson.

Speaker #5: Yeah, we did. And both of those being in the S&I segment, whereas we were not aggressive with doing acquisitions in the S&I segment in 2025.

Carson Urlacher: Yeah, we did. And, and, both of those, being in the S&I segment, whereas we were not, we were not aggressive, with doing acquisitions in the S&I segment in 2025. I think with, with respect to the guide that we came out with, Conor, that was really based on same-store sales. And if you kind of go division by division or segment by segment, you know, LTL is, you know, we're, we're projecting relatively flat year, you know, 2026 versus 2025. Logistics and warehousing is gonna be up, and that's really due to the timing of when we acquired, Cole and the Cole Group. Specialized, we're showing a little bit of growth, going into 2026 versus 2025 for a couple of reasons.

Speaker #5: I think with respect to the guide that we came out with, Konar, that was really based on same-store sales. And if you kind of go division by division or segment by segment, LTL was we're projecting relatively flat year 2026 versus 2025.

Speaker #5: Logistics and warehousing is going to be up. And that's really due to the timing of when we acquired coal and the coal group. Specialized, we're showing a little bit of growth going into 2026 versus 2025 for a couple of reasons.

Carson Urlacher: You'll see there's a lot of CapEx that we put into that segment, in the latter part of 2025 with our Enviro Energy Group to increase the capacity of our disposal facility. You know, in 2026, we're projecting that there's gonna be some additional turnaround work that was nonexistent in 2025, that producers basically pushed off. Our Canadian dewatering group within the S&I segment, we're also, you know, positive with them on mining projects and the like, with going into 2026. So those are types of the differences that we're seeing. Our US 3PL segment, obviously some growth in there as well, too, and that again is due to the timing of the acquisition of Cole Group.

Speaker #5: You'll see there's a lot of CapEx that we put into that segment in the latter part of 2025 with our involved energy group to increase the capacity of our disposal facility.

Speaker #5: In 2026, we're projecting that there's going to be some additional turnaround work that was nonexistent in 2025 that producers basically pushed off. Our Canadian dewatering group within the S&I segment, we're also positive with them on mining projects and the like with going into 2026.

Speaker #5: So those are types of the differences that we're seeing are US 3PL segment. Obviously, some growth in there as well too. And that, again, is due to the timing of the acquisition of coal.

Speaker #5: So most of it is growth that we're not seeing from new acquisitions. We've done a couple. We've done a couple some tuck-ins that we in verticals that we like with fluid management.

Carson Urlacher: So most of it is growth that, you know, we're not seeing from new acquisitions. We've done a couple. We've done some tuck-ins that we in verticals that we like with fluid management, with our Thrive group, and a nice tuck-in in an area that we see is conducive to greater drilling activity going forward.

Speaker #5: With our Thrive group. And a nice tuck-in in an area that we see is conducive to greater drilling activity going forward.

Murray K. Mullen: On Thrive, you know, investors, shareholders will recall that we were an investor in Thrive.

Murray Mullen: On Thrive, you know, investors, shareholders will recall that we were an investor in Thrive.

Speaker #2: On Thrive, I think investors and shareholders will recall that we were an investor in Thrive.

Speaker #5: We were. Yeah.

Carson Urlacher: We were.

Murray K. Mullen: And we completed the rest of that transaction with Brian, Eric, and the rest of the team and, and the shareholder group, and they joined our group. And so we're now 100% holder of that business. And they're in the water management business, primarily tied to some industrial, but to the oil and gas sector.

Speaker #2: And we completed the rest of that transaction with Ron, Eric, and the rest of the team in the shareholder group. And they joined our group.

Murray Mullen: And we completed the rest of that transaction with Brian, Eric, and the rest of the team and, and the shareholder group, and they joined our group. And so we're now 100% holder of that business. And they're in the water management business, primarily tied to some industrial, but to the oil and gas sector.

Speaker #2: So we're now 100% holder of that business. And they're in the water management business, primarily tied to some industrial, but to the oil and gas sector.

Speaker #5: And more upstream related.

Carson Urlacher: More upstream related.

Speaker #2: Yeah. So we really like these folks did a fantastic job of growing that business. That was one of our better private investments that we've ever done.

Murray K. Mullen: Yeah. So, we really like. These folks did a fantastic job of growing that business. That was one of our better private investments that we've ever done.

Murray Mullen: Yeah. So, we really like. These folks did a fantastic job of growing that business. That was one of our better private investments that we've ever done.

Speaker #2: Just a great team. In fact, on that note, Brian is going to join our corporate team, and he's going to head up all of our water and fluid initiatives that we've got going on.

Carson Urlacher: That's right.

Murray K. Mullen: Just a great team. In fact, on that note, Brian is gonna join our corporate team, and he's gonna head up all of our water and fluid initiatives that we've got going on, because that is a vertical that we think is investable and has good fundamentals to it. So we want to accelerate our investments in that sector. So we welcome the Thrive team, and we welcome Brian to get up those initiatives on behalf of our organization. He's an entrepreneur because he built it from nothing. So we like he joined us, so we're really happy with that. And if you look back at last year, we said, okay, the segments that we have, we held our own in LTL. I think we'll hold our own again this year in LTL.

Murray Mullen: Just a great team. In fact, on that note, Brian is gonna join our corporate team, and he's gonna head up all of our water and fluid initiatives that we've got going on, because that is a vertical that we think is investable and has good fundamentals to it. So we want to accelerate our investments in that sector. So we welcome the Thrive team, and we welcome Brian to get up those initiatives on behalf of our organization. He's an entrepreneur because he built it from nothing. So we like he joined us, so we're really happy with that. And if you look back at last year, we said, okay, the segments that we have, we held our own in LTL. I think we'll hold our own again this year in LTL.

Speaker #2: Because that is a vertical that we think is investable and has good fundamentals to it. So we want to accelerate our investments in that sector.

Speaker #2: So we welcome the Thrive team and we welcome Brian. To head up those initiatives on behalf of our organization. He's a pure he's an entrepreneur because he built it from nothing.

Speaker #2: So we like he joined us. So we're really happy with that. And if you look back at last year, we said, "Okay, you got to the segments that we have, we held our own in LTL.

Speaker #2: I think we'll hold our own again this year in LTL. LNW acquisitions drove that growth. US 3PL acquisitions drove that growth. In the S&I segment, we didn't do any acquisitions.

Murray K. Mullen: L&W acquisitions drove that growth. US 3PL acquisitions drove that growth. In the S&I segment, we didn't do any acquisitions. And guess what? It was tough as nails, and it was down. Well, this year, we've already done two acquisitions in S&I.

Murray Mullen: L&W acquisitions drove that growth. US 3PL acquisitions drove that growth. In the S&I segment, we didn't do any acquisitions. And guess what? It was tough as nails, and it was down. Well, this year, we've already done two acquisitions in S&I.

Speaker #2: And guess what? It was tough as nails and it was down. Well, this year we've already done two acquisitions in S&I. So we know that acquisitions is the way to position for the future.

Richard Maloney: Correct.

Murray K. Mullen: So we know that acquisitions is the way to position for the future. The key to acquisitions is it backfills revenue, as I said. It gives us revenue growth, but you're positioning for the future when it does tighten, when it does turn, when capital, nation-building projects go to work in capital. That's when our shareholders will really benefit, and they'll see the wisdom of why we did the acquisitions we did. So that's coming, but you got to get ahead of the curve, and we have, and thankfully, we have the balance sheet to do it. So, we'll continue to do really thoughtful acquisitions this year, and that will drive our growth. And our business units that we've got, our existing 42, up to 44 now, they'll be out there, and they, they're going to grind it out.

Murray Mullen: So we know that acquisitions is the way to position for the future. The key to acquisitions is it backfills revenue, as I said. It gives us revenue growth, but you're positioning for the future when it does tighten, when it does turn, when capital, nation-building projects go to work in capital. That's when our shareholders will really benefit, and they'll see the wisdom of why we did the acquisitions we did. So that's coming, but you got to get ahead of the curve, and we have, and thankfully, we have the balance sheet to do it. So, we'll continue to do really thoughtful acquisitions this year, and that will drive our growth. And our business units that we've got, our existing 42, up to 44 now, they'll be out there, and they, they're going to grind it out.

Speaker #2: The key to acquisitions is it backfills revenue, as I said. It gives us revenue growth, but you're positioning for the future when it does tighten, when it does turn, when capital nation-building projects go to work and capital.

Speaker #2: That's when our shareholders were really benefit and they'll see the wisdom of why we did the acquisitions that we did. So that's coming. But you got to get ahead of the curve.

Speaker #2: And we haven't, thankfully. We had the balance sheet to do it. So we'll continue to do really thoughtful acquisitions this year and that will drive our growth.

Speaker #2: And our business units that we've got are existing 402. Up to 44 now. They'll be out there and they're going to grind it out.

Murray K. Mullen: They're-- we're in contact with them all the time. They know what the game plan is for this year until the market gives us a little bit, a better lift. Until then, you just got to grind it out, Conor.

Speaker #2: They're we're in contact with them all the time. They know what the game plan is for this year until the market gives us a little bit a better lift.

Murray Mullen: They're-- we're in contact with them all the time. They know what the game plan is for this year until the market gives us a little bit, a better lift. Until then, you just got to grind it out, Konark.

Speaker #2: Until then, you just got to grind it out, Konar.

Speaker #1: No, that's a great team and all the best for 2026. Thanks.

Konark Gupta: No, that's great, great team, and all the best for 2026. Thanks.

Speaker #2: Thank you very much.

Murray K. Mullen: Thank you very much.

Murray Mullen: Thank you very much.

Speaker #6: This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Mullen for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Operator: This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Mullen for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Okay. Thanks, folks, for joining us. It was a quick meeting today. But as I said, everybody's we've debated the issues for too long. Everybody knows what's going on.

Murray K. Mullen: Okay, thanks, folks, for joining us. It was a quick meeting today, but as I said, everybody's-- we've debated the issues for too long. Everybody knows what's going on. We're 100% focused on what we have to do this year, and we look forward to chatting with everybody and giving an update in April as to how the Q1 worked out and how the rest of the year does. Until then, thank you very much for joining us.

Murray Mullen: Okay, thanks, folks, for joining us. It was a quick meeting today, but as I said, everybody's-- we've debated the issues for too long. Everybody knows what's going on. We're 100% focused on what we have to do this year, and we look forward to chatting with everybody and giving an update in April as to how the Q1 worked out and how the rest of the year does. Until then, thank you very much for joining us.

Speaker #2: We're 100% focused on what we have to do this year. And we look forward to chatting with everybody and giving an update and April.

Speaker #2: As to how the first quarter worked out and how the rest of the year does. Until then, thank you very much for joining us.

Operator: This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.

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