Q4 2025 Vale SA Earnings Call

February 13, 2026

Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Vale's Q4 2025 Earnings Call. This conference is being recorded, and the replay will be available on our website at vale.com. The presentation is also available for download in English and Portuguese from our website. To listen to the call in Portuguese, please press the globe icon located on the lower right side of your Zoom screen and then choose to enter the Portuguese room. Then you can select Mute Original Audio so that you won't hear the English version in the background. We would like to inform you that all participants are currently in listen-only mode during the presentation. Further instructions will be provided before we begin the Q&A section of our call.

Speaker #2: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Vale S.A. 2025 earnings call. This conference is being recorded, and I will pay will be available on our website at vale.com.

Speaker #2: The presentation is also available for download in English and Portuguese from our website. To listen to the call in Portuguese, please press the globe icon located on the lower right side of your Zoom screen and then choose to enter the language channel.

Speaker #1: The Portuguese room , then you can select new original audio so that you won't hear the English version in the background . We would like to inform you that all participants are currently in listen only mode .

Speaker #1: During the presentation . Further instructions will be provided before we begin the Q&A section of our call . We would like to advise that forward looking statements may be provided in this presentation , including valleys expectations about future events or results encompassing those matters listed in the respective presentation .

Operator: We would like to advise that forward-looking statements may be provided in this presentation, including Vale's expectation about future events or results, encompassing those matters listed in the respective presentation. We caution you that forward-looking statements are not guarantee of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties. To obtain information on factors that may lead results different from those forecast by Vale, please consult the reports Vale files with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, SEC, the Brazilian Comissão de Valores Mobiliários, CVM, and in particular, the factors discussed under forward-looking statements and risk factors in Vale's annual report on Form 20-F. With us today are Mr. Gustavo Pimenta, CEO; Mr. Marcelo Bacci, Executive Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations; Mr. Rogério Nogueira, Executive Vice President, Commercial and Development; Mr. Carlos Medeiros, Executive Vice President of Operations; and Mr. Shaun Usmar, CEO of Vale Base Metals.

Speaker #1: We continue that forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties . To obtain information on factors that may lead results different from those forecasts by Valley , please consult the reports Valley files with the US Securities and Exchange Commission , SAC , the Brazilian Comissao de Valores Mobiliarios CVM and in particular the factors discussed under forward looking statements and risk factors in Valleys Animal Report on Form 20 F with us today .

Speaker #1: Are Mr. Gustavo Pimenta , CEO , Mr. Marcelo Bacci , Executive Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations , Mr. Rogério Nogueira , Executive Vice President , Commercial and Development , Mr. Carlos Medeiros , Executive Vice President of Operations , and Mr. Shawn Usmar , CEO of Valley Base Metals .

Speaker #1: Now , I'll turn the conference over to Mr. Gustavo Pimenta . Sir , you may now begin

Operator: Now, I'll turn the conference over to Mr. Gustavo Pimenta. Sir, you may now begin.

Speaker #2: Hello , everyone , and welcome to Valley Fourth Quarter 2025 conference Call Last year we delivered outstanding results by exceeding all production guidances while maintaining a strong focus on cost , performance and capital discipline , both in our north and base metals .

Gustavo Pimenta: Hello, everyone, and welcome to Vale's Q4 2025 Conference Call. Last year, we delivered outstanding results by exceeding all production guidances while maintaining a strong focus on cost performance and capital discipline, both in iron ore and base metals. Our flexible commercial strategy in iron ore and the successful ramp-up of key growth projects such as Capanema, Vargem Grande, Onça Puma Furnace 2, and Voisey's Bay expansion, were fundamental in driving value for 2025, and will continue to do so in the years to come. At Vale Day, we outlined our strategy and presented our ambition to create superior value for our shareholders, driven by a relentless focus on operational excellence and on adding high-quality growth projects to our portfolio, particularly in copper and iron ore, leveraging our unique endowment.

Speaker #2: Our flexible commercial strategy in our ore and the successful ramp up of key growth projects such as Capanema , Vargem Grande , Mansa , Puma , Furnace two and Voices by Expansion were fundamental in driving value for 2025 and we continue to do so in the years to come At validate , we outlined our strategy and presented our ambition to create superior value for our shareholders .

Speaker #2: Driven by a relentless focus on operational excellence and on adding high-quality growth projects to our portfolio, particularly in copper and iron ore.

Speaker #2: Leveraging our unique endowment . I am extremely confident that by executing on this long term strategy , we will generate significant value for all of our stakeholders With that , I would like to now turn to the highlights of our 2025 performance .

Gustavo Pimenta: I am extremely confident that by executing on this long-term strategy, we will generate significant value for all of our stakeholders. With that, I would like to now turn to the highlights of our 2025 performance. As I mentioned earlier, we were able to make significant progress in 2025. On our core value safety, we achieved a 21% reduction in high potential incidents, reflecting the continued evolution on our safety culture and on our focus on building an accident-free work environment. On tailings dams, in August, we fulfilled the commitment made to society in 2020 by eliminating all dams classified at Emergency Level 3 by 2025. We also ended the year with a 77% reduction in structures at any emergency level compared to 2020, and we expected to reach an 86% reduction by the end of 2026.

Speaker #2: As I mentioned earlier , we are able to make significant progress in 2025 on our core value safety . We achieved a 21% reduction in hypertension incidents , reflecting the continued evolution on our safety culture and on our focus on building an accident free work environment .

Speaker #2: On tailings dams in August , we fulfilled the commitment made to society in 2020 by eliminating all dams classified at emergency three by 2025 .

Speaker #2: We also ended the year with a 77% reduction in structures at any emergency level, compared to 2020, and we expect to reach an 86% reduction by the end of 2026.

Speaker #2: These are meaningful milestones in our commitment to non-repetition . We also continue to make solid progress on reparation efforts , reaching 81% execution of the Brumadinho agreement .

Gustavo Pimenta: These are meaningful milestones in our commitment to non-repetition. We also continued to make solid progress on reparation efforts, reaching 81% execution of the Brumadinho agreement and disbursing BRL 7.3 billion under the Mariana agreement, ensuring fair and comprehensive reparation. Operationally, 2025 was simply an outstanding year. We exceeded production guidances across all businesses, while continuing to sharpen our competitiveness, once again, delivering meaningful and sustainable cost reductions. I will cover that in more detail in the next slides. In February, we launched the Novo Carajás program, a transformation initiative that will help us double the copper output, while enabling accretive growth in the world's highest quality iron ore endowment. Finally, the combination of strong execution in a more favorable cycle allowed us to exceed initial market expectations in terms of shareholder remuneration, with a double-digit dividend yield.

Speaker #2: And this 73 billion reais under the Mariana Agreement , ensuring fair and comprehensive reparation Operationally , 2025 was simply an outstanding year . We exceeded production guidance across all businesses while continue to sharpen our competitiveness once again delivering meaningful and sustainable cost reductions I will cover that in more detail in the next slides In February , we launched the Novo Carajas program , a transformation initiative that will help us double the copper output while enabling accretive growth in the world's iron ore endowment Finally , the combination of strong execution in a more favorable cycle allowed us to exceed initial market expectations in terms of shareholder remuneration , with a double digit yield We entered 2026 with great optimism , and the same focus to deliver strong results Now let's look in more detail at our businesses , starting in the next slide .

Gustavo Pimenta: We enter 2026 with great optimism and the same focus to deliver strong results. Now, let's look in more detail at our businesses, starting in the next slide. Iron ore production reached 336 million tons in 2025, 3% higher year-on-year, and the highest level since 2018. The growth was primarily driven by the startup of low capital-intensive projects, such as Capim and Vargem Grande, combined with a very solid performance in Brucutu and S11D. Together, these assets enhance the flexibility of our operations and strengthen our product mix. In the second half of 2026, we'll begin commissioning the Serra Sul + 20 million tons project, which will further increase volumes from our most competitive asset in terms of quality and cost.

Speaker #2: Iron ore production reached 336 million tons in 2025 . 3% higher year on year , and the highest level since 2018 . The growth was primarily driven by the start up of low capital intensive projects such as Capanema and Virgin Grand , combined with a very solid performance in Brook two and S11d .

Speaker #2: Together , these assets enhanced the flexibility of our operations and strengthen our product mix In the second half of 2026 , we will begin commissioning the Saha Plus 20 million Tons project , which will further increase volumes from our most competitive asset in terms of quality and cost Enhanced operational flexibility combined with our active product portfolio management , enabled us to maximize value creation in the iron ore business while continuing to meet the evolving needs of our customers .

Gustavo Pimenta: Enhanced operational flexibility, combined with our active product portfolio management, enabled us to maximize value creation in the iron ore business, while continuing to meet the evolving needs of our customers. Value-based metals also delivered outstanding results in 2025, achieving double-digit production growth in both copper and nickel. In copper, production reached 382,000 tons in 2025, 10% higher year-on-year, supported by record output in Brazil and solid performance across our polymetallic assets in Canada. Nickel production also showed a strong growth of 11% year-on-year, driven by the ramp-up of the Voisey's Bay mine extension project and the commissioning of the second furnace at Onça Puma, reaching 177,000 tons.

Speaker #2: Value based metals also deliver outstanding results in 2025 , achieving double digit production growth in both copper and nickel and copper production reached 382,000 tonnes in 2025 .

Speaker #2: 10% higher on year , supported by record output in Brazil and solid performance across our polymetallic assets in Canada Nickel production also showed a strong growth of 11% year on year , driven by the ramp up of the voices Bay Mine Extension Project and the commissioning of the second furnace at onset Puma , reaching 177,000 tonnes .

Speaker #2: This is strong performance at Valley Base Metals underscores the exceptional work of our team in unlocking value from our existing assets and positioning the company to deliver on its long term growth ambitions , particularly in copper In 2025 , we deliver cost reductions across all three commodities .

Gustavo Pimenta: This strong performance at Vale Base Metals underscores the exceptional work of our team in unlocking value from our existing assets and positioning the company to deliver on its long-term growth ambitions, particularly in copper. In 2025, we delivered cost reductions across all three commodities. This year-on-year improvement reflects the success of our efficiency programs and greater operational stability, which continued to translate into lower unit costs. In iron ore, all-in costs reached $54 per ton, representing a $2 per ton year-on-year reduction, despite a much lower contribution from pellet premiums. In copper and nickel, all-in costs declined by 77% and 27% respectively, driven by higher by-product prices and volumes. Looking ahead, we remain firmly committed to further strengthen our cost competitiveness across the portfolio.

Speaker #2: This year-on-year improvement reflects the success of our efficiency programs and greater operational stability, which continue to translate into lower unit costs in iron ore.

Speaker #2: All in costs reached $54 per tonne , representing a $2 per tonne on reduction . Despite a much lower contribution from pellet premiums in copper nickel , all in cost declined by 77% and 27% , respectively , driven by higher byproduct prices and volumes Looking ahead , we remain firmly committed to further strengthen our cost competitiveness across the portfolio .

Speaker #2: We are very confident in our ability to deliver our guidance once again in 2026. We are enforcing a valid position at the very low end of the global industry cost curve before passing on to Marcelo.

Gustavo Pimenta: We are very confident in our ability to deliver our guidances once again in 2026, reinforcing Vale's position at the very low end of the global industry cost curve. Before passing on to Marcelo, let me briefly touch on capital allocation. Our capital allocation remains robust and disciplined, combining consistent organic growth with above average shareholder remuneration. The new Carajás program continues to advance as planned. In January, we received the construction license for the Bacaba project, and construction works started on a schedule. The startup is expected in the first half of 2028, with an annual copper production capacity of 50,000 tons. We also conduct a thorough review of our CapEx program in 2025. This resulted in an annual optimization of more than $500 million and allowed us to establish a new long-term CapEx guidance below $6 billion.

Speaker #2: Let me briefly touch on capital allocation. Our capital allocation remains robust and disciplined, combining consistent organic growth with above-average shareholder remuneration.

Speaker #2: The new Carajás program continues to advance as planned. In January, we received a construction license for the Bacaba project, and construction works started on schedule.

Speaker #2: The start-up is expected in the first half of 2028, with an annual copper production capacity of 50,000 tonnes. We also conduct a thorough review of our CapEx program in 2025.

Speaker #2: This resulted in an annual optimization of more than $500 million and allowed us to establish a new long-term CapEx guidance below $6 billion.

Speaker #2: Finally , in November , we announced a $2.8 billion in dividends and interest on capital . In 2025 , valid deliver a dividend yield of 16% , reflecting our confidence in the long term prospects of our businesses .

Gustavo Pimenta: Finally, in November, we announced $2.8 billion in dividends and interest on capital. In 2025, Vale delivered a dividend yield of 16%, reflecting our confidence in the long-term prospects of our businesses. As I mentioned at the beginning of this presentation, our ambition is clear: We are committed to creating superior value within the sector, and I'm highly confident we will achieve that by consistently executing on our strategy. I will now pass the floor to Marcelo Bacci, who will walk you through our financial performance. I will return afterwards for closing remarks. Marcelo, please.

Speaker #2: As I mentioned at the beginning of this presentation, our ambition is clear. We are committed to creating superior value within the sector, and I'm highly confident we will achieve that by consistently executing on our strategy.

Speaker #2: I will now pass the floor to Marcelo Bacci , who will walk you through our financial performance . Our return afterwards for closing remarks .

Speaker #2: Marcelo , please . Thanks , Gustavo , and good morning , everyone . As Gustavo highlighted in his opening remarks , 2025 was an outstanding year for Valley , with strong performance and consistent execution across all three businesses .

Marcelo Bacci: Thanks, Gustavo, and good morning, everyone. As Gustavo highlighted in his opening remarks, 2025 was an outstanding year for Vale. With strong performance and consistent execution across all three businesses, we delivered robust results and entered 2026 with great confidence and clear momentum. In Q4 of 2025, our pro forma EBITDA reached $4.8 billion, representing an increase of 17% year-on-year, and 10% quarter-on-quarter. As shown on the slide, this strong performance was primarily driven by an excellent quarter at Vale Base Metals, supported by favorable pricing conditions for copper and byproducts, while continuing to capture meaningful operational gains across our polymetallic operations in Canada.

Speaker #2: We delivered robust results and entered 2026 with great confidence and clear momentum In the fourth quarter of 2025 , our pro EBITDA reached $4.8 billion , representing an increase of 17% year on year and 10% quarter on quarter , as this slide .

Speaker #2: This strong performance was primarily driven by an excellent quarter at Vale Base Metals, supported by favorable pricing conditions for copper and byproducts.

Speaker #2: While continuing to capture meaningful operational gains across our polymetallic operations in Canada. As a result, Vale Base Metals EBITDA more than doubled both year on year and sequentially, reaching $1.4 billion in the quarter.

Marcelo Bacci: As a result, Vale Base Metals EBITDA more than doubled both year-on-year and sequentially, reaching $1.4 billion in the quarter, clearly demonstrating improved operating performance as well as the earnings power of this business. In iron ore, we also delivered strong results, with EBITDA remaining at a solid $4 billion, with higher sales volumes and improved realized prices compensating for the BRL appreciation in the quarter. Now let's turn to our cost performance. During the quarter, our C1 cash cost, excluding third-party purchases, increased by 13% year-on-year. This was primarily driven by the unfavorable BRL exchange rate and higher planned maintenance activities in the northern system, with a clear focus on optimizing performance and ensuring long-term asset reliability. In addition, higher production volumes in the southern and southeastern systems contributed to higher overall average unit costs.

Speaker #2: Clearly demonstrating improved operating performance as well as the earnings power of this business . In our honor . We also delivered strong results with EBITDA remaining at a solid $4 billion with higher sales volumes and improved realized prices , compensating for the BRL appreciation in the quarter Now , let's turn to our cost performance during the quarter .

Speaker #2: Our C1 cash cost excluding third party purchases , increased by 13% year on year . This was primarily driven by the unfavorable BRL exchange rate and higher planned maintenance activities in the northern system , with a clear focus on optimizing performance and ensuring long term asset reliability .

Speaker #2: In addition , higher production volumes in the Southern and Southeastern systems contributed to higher overall unit costs However , this impact was more than offset by the positive contribution to EBITDA , reflecting the strong operating leverage of our portfolio Importantly , this cost increase in Q4 was expected and fully in line with our 2025 guidance , which closed the year at $21.3 per ton , right at the midpoint of the guidance range Looking ahead to 2026 , we expect C1 cash costs to range between 20 and $21.5 per tonne , representing a further year on year reduction , supported by continued operational discipline and efficiency initiatives .

Marcelo Bacci: However, this impact was more than offset by the positive contribution to EBITDA, reflecting the strong operating leverage of our portfolio. Importantly, this cost increase in Q4 was expected and fully in line with our 2025 guidance, which closed the year at $21.3 per ton, right at the midpoint of the guidance range. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect C1 cash costs to range between $20 and $21.5 per ton, representing a further year-on-year reduction, supported by continued operational discipline and efficiency initiatives. The all-in cost also performed in line with full year guidance, reaching $54.3 per ton in Q4 and averaging $54.2 per ton in 2025. This annual performance reflects the downward trajectory in our C1, as well as gains from our long-term affreightment strategy. Turning now to Vale Base Metals.

Speaker #2: The all in cost also performed in line with full year guidance , reaching $54.3 per tonne in the fourth quarter and averaging $54.2 per tonne in 2025 .

Speaker #2: This annual performance reflects the downward trajectory in our C1 , as well as gains from our long term affreightment strategy Turning now to valley based metals once again , both copper and nickel delivered consistent reductions in all in costs in copper .

Marcelo Bacci: Once again, both copper and nickel delivered consistent reductions in all-in costs. In copper, all-in costs decreased by $2,000 per ton, moving into negative territory at -$900 per ton, the lowest level in the history of the business. This outstanding performance was driven by strong by-product revenues, supported by higher gold prices and increased gold production at Salobo, combined with solid operating performance in our Brazilian assets. In nickel, all-in costs declined 35% year-on-year, reaching $9,000 per ton. This significant improvement was mainly driven by higher by-product revenues, particularly copper, as well as stronger performance at Voisey's Bay and Onça Puma, which helped dilute fixed costs. Looking ahead, we expect Vale Base Metals to continue delivering operational improvements throughout 2026, further reducing operating costs beyond the positive contribution from byproducts.

Speaker #2: All in costs decreased by $2,000 per ton . Moving into negative territory at -$0.9 thousand per ton . The lowest level in the history of the business .

Speaker #2: This outstanding performance was driven by strong byproduct revenues supported by higher gold prices , and increased gold production at soluble , combined with solid operating performance in our Brazilian assets in nickel , all in costs declined 35% year on year , reaching $9,000 per ton This significant improvement was mainly driven by higher byproduct revenues , particularly copper , as well as stronger performance at voices Bay and Puma , which helped dilute fixed costs Looking ahead , we expect Valley based metals to continue delivering operational improvements throughout 2026 .

Speaker #2: Further reducing operating costs beyond the positive contribution from byproducts in nickel . Our focus remains firmly on achieving at least a cash breakeven position by the end of the year , and we are clearly on track to deliver on this objective Now let's move on to cash generation .

Marcelo Bacci: In nickel, our focus remains firmly on achieving at least a cash breakeven position by the end of the year, and we are clearly on track to deliver on this objective. Now let's move on to cash generation. Our recurring free cash flow generation reached approximately $1.7 billion in Q4, more than double versus a year ago. This improvement was driven by our strong EBITDA performance, as well as cash inflows from exchange rate swap settlements, reflecting the appreciation of the Brazilian real. Our annual CapEx closed fully in line with the guidance we had announced, totaling $5.5 billion. Looking ahead to 2026, we remain firmly committed to disciplined and efficient capital allocation, with expected CapEx in the range of $5.4 to 5.7 billion.

Speaker #2: Our recurring free cash flow generation reached approximately $1.7 billion in Q4, more than double versus a year ago. This improvement was driven by our strong EBITDA performance, as well as cash inflows from exchange rate swap settlements, reflecting the appreciation of the Brazilian real.

Speaker #2: Our annual CapEx closed fully in line with the guidance we had announced, totaling $5.5 billion. Looking ahead to 2026, we remain firmly committed to disciplined and efficient capital allocation, with expected CapEx in the range of $5.4 to $5.7 billion.

Speaker #2: We are confident that we can deliver all the growth initiatives discussed at Vale while keeping our operations at a very high standard, with an annual CapEx below $6 billion in the long term.

Marcelo Bacci: We are confident that we can deliver all the growth initiatives discussed at Vale Day, while keeping our operations at a very high standard, with an annual CapEx below $6 billion in the long term, positioning Vale as one of the most accretive growth opportunities in the industry. Also, in 2026, we already expect to see a significant reduction in cash outflows related to reparation and then the de-characterization commitments, as these programs advanced meaningfully over the last year. As a result, we anticipate a reduction of approximately $1.5 billion in cash disbursements compared to 2025. Finally, as Gustavo highlighted, we announced $2.8 billion in dividends and interest on capital. Of this amount, $1 billion were extraordinary dividends paid in January, while the remaining amount is scheduled for payment in March.

Speaker #2: Positioning Valley as one of the most accretive growth opportunities in the industry . Also in 2026 , we already expect to see a significant reduction in cash outflows related to reparation .

Speaker #2: And then the characterization commitments as these programs advanced meaningfully over the last year. As a result, we anticipate a reduction of approximately $1.5 billion in cash disbursements compared to 2025.

Speaker #2: Finally , as Gustavo highlighted , we announced $2.8 billion in dividends and interest on capital . Of this amount , $1 billion were extraordinary dividends paid in January .

Speaker #2: While the remaining amount is scheduled for payment in March. As you can see on the next slide, our strong cash generation in the quarter led to a significant reduction in expanded net debt, which closed the period at $15.6 billion.

Marcelo Bacci: As you can see on the next slide, our strong cash generation in the quarter led to a significant reduction in expanded net debt, which closed the period at $15.6 billion. Our target range remains unchanged at $10 to 20 billion, with a clear objective of operating at the midpoint of this range. This level will continue to serve as our reference for additional shareholder remuneration. Before handing back to Gustavo, I would like to emphasize that the strong results we delivered in 2025 were made possible by clearly defined priorities and a company-wide focus on disciplined execution. Our value creation is anchored on a consistent, disciplined approach to capital allocation, which will continue to guide our decision going forward. With this foundation in place, we expect to continue advancing our growth strategy, while consistently returning value to our shareholders.

Speaker #2: Our target range remains unchanged at $10 to $20 billion, with a clear objective of operating at the midpoint of this range. This level will continue to serve as our reference for additional shareholder remuneration.

Speaker #2: Before handing back to Gustavo, I would like to emphasize that the strong results we delivered in 2025 were made possible by clearly defined priorities and a company-wide focus on disciplined execution.

Speaker #2: Our value creation is anchored on a consistent, disciplined approach to capital allocation, which will continue to guide our decisions going forward. With this foundation in place, we expect to continue advancing our growth strategy while consistently returning value to our shareholders.

Speaker #2: With that , I turn the call back to Gustavo for the key takeaways Thanks , Marcelo . I would like to highlight the key takeaways from today's call First , safety remains at the center of everything we do and our performance over the last years reinforces that we are on the right direction Second , our culture and strategy are strong enablers of our ambition to consistently deliver superior value to our shareholders Third , operational excellence continues to be a core pillar of our performance .

Marcelo Bacci: With that, I turn the call back to Gustavo for the key takeaways.

Gustavo Pimenta: Thanks, Marcelo. I would like to highlight the key takeaways from today's call. First, safety remains at the center of everything we do, and our performance over the last years reinforces that we are on the right direction... Second, our culture and strategy are strong enablers of our ambition to consistently deliver superior value to our shareholders. Third, operational excellence continues to be a core pillar of our performance. We have delivered on all of our guidances in 2025, and we remain laser focused on maintaining a solid operational performance in our businesses. At the same time, we are accelerating value accretive growth opportunities, such as the Novo Carajás program, offering a highly competitive and compelling value proposition. And finally, our disciplined approach to capital allocation remains unchanged, supporting our ability to deliver attractive shareholder returns.

Speaker #2: We have delivered on all of our guidance in 2025 , and we remain laser focused on maintaining a solid operational performance in our businesses .

Speaker #2: At the same time , we are accelerating value accretive growth opportunities such as the Novo Carajas program , offering a highly competitive and compelling value proposition .

Speaker #2: And finally, our disciplined approach to capital allocation remains unchanged, supporting our ability to deliver attractive shareholder returns. Before we open up the call for questions, I would like to reaffirm our confidence in the company and its ability to unlock even greater value in 2026 and beyond.

Gustavo Pimenta: Before we open up the call for questions, I would like to reaffirm our confidence in the company and in its ability to unlock even greater value in 2026 and beyond. We're experiencing the strongest operational performance in Vale's history, allowing us to maximize value from our existing assets while positioning the company for accretive growth opportunities. All of that at a special moment for the industry, where mining becomes essential to everything we do, from energy transition to AI, and we believe Vale can play a key role in that future. Now let's move on to the Q&A session. Thank you.

Speaker #2: We're experiencing strongest operational performance in Valley's history , allowing us to maximize value from our existing assets while positioning the company for accretive growth opportunities All of that at a special moment for the industry , where mining becomes essential to everything we do , from energy transition to AI and we believe Valley can play a key role in that future .

Speaker #2: Now, let's move on to the Q&A session. Thank you.

Speaker #1: We are going to start the Q&A section of the call. If you have a question, please click on the Raise Hand button.

Operator: We are going to start the Q&A section of the call. If you have a question, please click on the Raise Hand button. If your question has already been answered, you can leave the queue by clicking on Lower Hand. Please ask your questions in English and limit your questions to two at a time. Our first question comes from Leonardo Correa from BTG Pactual. Please, Mr. Correa, your microphone is open.

Speaker #1: If your question has already been answered, you can leave the queue by clicking on 'lower hand.' Please ask your questions in English and limit your questions to two at a time.

Speaker #1: Our first question comes from Leonardo Correa from BTG Pactual . Please , Mr. Coia , your microphone is open

Speaker #3: Hello . Good morning everyone . Thank you so much for for taking my questions couple ones from . First one maybe for Sean on the on the very solid results coming from from Vbm .

Leonardo Correa: Hello, good morning, everyone. Yeah, thank you so much for taking my questions. So a couple ones for me. First one, maybe for Shaun, on the very solid results coming from VBM, right, Shaun? So we saw a very strong cost performance, and my question relates to that. If we look at the copper all-in numbers, they were negative, right? Around $800 per ton. Nickel was $9,000 per ton in the quarter, which I can imagine is highly influenced by the very strong byproduct credits that you guys are realizing in several precious metals and also gold, right? So curious to see, apart from that byproduct credit scenario, which hasn't helping, I mean, just curious to hear about some other, let's say, bottom-up initiatives.

Speaker #3: Right . Sean . So , so we saw a very strong cost performance . And my question relates to that . If we look at the copper all in numbers , they were negative right around $800 per tonne .

Speaker #3: Nickel was $9,000 per tonne in the quarter, which I can imagine is highly influenced by the very strong byproduct credits that you guys are realizing in several precious metals.

Speaker #3: And also gold . Right So curious to see , apart from that , by byproduct credit scenario , which has helping . I mean , just just curious to hear about some other , let's say , bottom up initiatives in terms of the guidance , right ?

Leonardo Correa: In terms of the guidance, right, I mean, on this topic, the guidance at Vale is about $1,000 to 1,500 dollars in copper all-in costs. In nickel, it's around, let's say, $13,000 all-in cost. So you guys are materially below the guidance that you delivered couple weeks ago, right? So I just wanted to understand whether you see, let's say, some upside potential or better, some downside potential on the cost guidance you gave some weeks ago. That's my first question. The second one, and this is for Gustavo.

Speaker #3: I mean , on this topic , the guidance that validates about 1000 to $1500 in copper , all in costs in nickel , it's it's around , let's say $13,000 .

Speaker #3: All in cost . So you guys are materially below the guidance that you delivered couple couple of weeks ago . Right . So I just wanted to understand whether you see , let's say some upside potential or , or better some downside potential on the cost guidance you gave some , some weeks ago .

Speaker #3: That's my first question . The second one , and this is for Gustavo . Gustavo , I think the introduction was very clear on how strategic this is all becoming , especially your copper assets , which which the market for many years has , has not really looked into .

Leonardo Correa: Gustavo, I think the introduction was very clear on how strategic this is all becoming, especially your copper assets, which the market for many years has not really looked into, right? And has not really valued. At this point, the market is still ascribing basically the same multiple for iron ore and copper, we think, right? Something around 5x EBITDA inside Vale. You see a series of copper plays in the world trading at around 10x EBITDA or even higher. Vale has a lot of potential. There's a lot of growth in-house, which you guys are working on. I just wanted to hear a bit more of this opportunity and how to unlock this value, right?

Speaker #3: Right. And has not really been valued at this point. The market is still ascribing basically the same multiple for iron ore and copper, we think.

Speaker #3: Right . Something around five times EBITDA inside Valley , you see a series of copper plays in the world trading at around ten times EBITDA or even higher , has a lot of potential .

Speaker #3: There's a lot of growth in-house , which you guys are working on . I just wanted to hear a bit more of this opportunity and how and how to unlock this value .

Leonardo Correa: Is it gonna be at some point, we're gonna discuss again the IPO of VBM, or you think it's more about delivering, being consistent, and just giving more, let's say, visibility on these projects? Thank you so much.

Speaker #3: it going to be at some point we're going to discuss again the IPO of of Vbm , or you think it's more about delivering being consistent and just giving more , let's say visibility on these projects .

Speaker #3: Thank you so much

Shaun Usmar: Leonardo, hi. It's good to chat to you again, and thank you for the two questions there. I think the questions around cost and ongoing improvements and sustainability, I mean, your thesis is correct, and I think we've talked a lot about this in the last year or so. You remember when I started in this role, we initiated a lot of restructuring, taking out significant, about 1/3 of our global overhead, as a sort of catalyst, as we changed the operating model for the organization to one that was more sort of lean and decentralized. Our targets at the time, you'll recall, were about $200 million on a cash basis, almost half split between costs and capital as we improved capital allocation.

Speaker #4: Leonardo . Hi . It's good to chat to you again and thank you for for the two questions . There . I think the the questions around cost and ongoing improvements and sustainability .

Speaker #4: I mean, your thesis is correct. And I think we've talked a lot about this in the last year or so.

Speaker #4: You remember when I started in this role , we initiated a lot of restructuring , taking out significant about a third of our global overhead as as a sort of catalyst as we change the operating model for the organization to one that was more sort of lean and decentralized .

Speaker #4: Our targets at the time . You'll recall , were about 200 million on a cash basis . Almost half split between costs and capital .

Speaker #4: As we improve capital allocation, and as we went through the year, we found more and more opportunity as we then also focused on operating execution. So as you think about this, we ended up over $400 million.

Shaun Usmar: As we went through the year, we found more and more opportunity, as we then also focused on operating execution. So as you think about this, we ended up over $400 million, so double what we expected. There's an intense focus on, you've seen we successfully ramped up multiple projects, so we've reduced fixed costs, we've diluted fixed costs by increasing volumes, and we continue to focus on keeping discipline in copper as well as nickel. So you'll see that in our Vale Day guidance. You will see this year as we go forward, that there's an increasing focus on getting our tons and also continuing to drive the cost performance of the business. So that's our commitment, and we'll continue to update it.

Speaker #4: So double what we expected . There's an intense focus on you've seen we successfully ramped up multiple projects . So we've reduced fixed costs .

Speaker #4: We've diluted fixed costs by increasing volumes . And we continue to focus on keeping discipline and copper as well as nickel . So you'll see that in our guidance , you will see this year as we go forward that there's an increasing focus on getting our tonnes .

Speaker #4: And also continuing to drive the the cost performance of the business . So that's that's our commitment . And , you know , we'll continue to update it .

Speaker #4: And as for guidance numbers, you know, obviously, it's early in the year. I'd say we're well on track. You can appreciate the volatility on everything from gold price to the various byproducts that we have.

Shaun Usmar: As for guidance numbers, you know, obviously it's early in the year. I'd say we're well on track.

Rogério Nogueira: ... you can appreciate the volatility on everything from gold price to the various byproducts that we have. But yeah, it's definitely a feature, and I think if it continues in this sort of price regime, there's obvious upside.

Shaun Usmar: ... you can appreciate the volatility on everything from gold price to the various byproducts that we have. But yeah, it's definitely a feature, and I think if it continues in this sort of price regime, there's obvious upside.

Speaker #4: But yeah, it's definitely a feature. And I think if it continues in this sort of price regime, there's obvious upside.

Gustavo Pimenta: So now I'll take the second question. Yeah, look, I think the market starts to appreciate and see the value that our base metals business can bring to the table. If you remember, a few years ago, we had a series of discussions around turnaround, and it's great to see the business performing operationally well. That was our first objective when we did the carve-out, and I'm very happy to see the strong performance from the business. Now, I think we still have a lot of work to do in terms of showing we can deliver growth. There is enormous growth potential within the endowment that Vale has. So we are doing, as you saw, around 380 kilotons a year. We can certainly work to double it, and that's the mandate for the team.

Speaker #5: So now I'll , I'll take the second question . Yeah . Look I think the market started starts to appreciate . And see the value that our base metals business can bring to the table .

Speaker #5: If you remember, a few years ago, we had a series of discussions around turnaround. And it's great to see the business performing operationally.

Speaker #5: Well, that was our first objective when we did the carve-out, and I'm very happy to see the strong performance from the business now.

Speaker #5: I think we still have a lot of work to do in terms of showing we can deliver growth . The there is a enormous growth potential within the endowment that Valley has , so we are doing , as you saw , around 380 Kilotonnes a year , we can certainly work to double it .

Speaker #5: And that's the mandate for the team . And the more shown in the team , look , looks into our portfolio of assets and the development projects , the more excited they get in terms of the opportunities .

Gustavo Pimenta: And the more Shaun and the team look, looks into our portfolio of assets and the development projects, the more excited they get in terms of the opportunities. So I think now it's on us to show that we'll be able to advance those projects. We got the installation license for Bacaba. We filed for preliminary license for Alemão last year. So things are moving forward, and I think once we can demonstrate to the market that we can operate the assets well, but also that we can grow faster than our peers, our copper endowment and portfolio, I think we'll continue to, from our perspective, get share price recognition for it. So that's what the team is working on.

Speaker #5: So I think now it's on us to show that we'll be able to advance those projects. We got the installation license for Bakaba.

Speaker #5: We filed for preliminary license for last year . So things are moving forward . And I think once we can demonstrate to the market that we can operate the assets well , but also that we can grow faster than our peers , our copper endowment and portfolio .

Speaker #5: I think we'll continue to, from our perspective, get share price recognition for it. So that's what the team is working on.

Speaker #5: And then, you know, if we at some point in time do decide to do some particular capital market transactions, we will assess what is the ideal way to fund the business.

Gustavo Pimenta: And then, you know, if we, at some point in time, decide to do some particular capital market transactions, we will assess, right, what is the ideal way to fund the business. But at this point, I think the focus is making sure we continue to operate well and we accelerate the growth, the growth program.

Speaker #5: But at this point, I think the focus is making sure we continue to operate well and we accelerate the growth. The growth program—

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Daniel Sasson from . BBA . Please , Mr. Sasson , your microphone is open .

Operator: Our next question comes from Daniel Sasson from Itaú BBA. Please, Mr. Sasson, your microphone is open.

Speaker #6: Thank you so much for taking my questions . My first question is for Rosario . You changed the way Valley thinks about its portfolio , right ?

Daniel Sasson: Thank you so much for taking my questions. My first question is for Rogério. Rogério, you changed the way Vale thinks about its product portfolio, right? Shifting from a goal of maximizing value for the company instead of maximizing iron content in the portfolio. But looking at your realized prices in Q4, there was actually a decline versus Q3 with weaker quality premiums. Can you try to help us think about the dynamics of that in the last quarter, and discuss how comfortable you are with the implementation of your current strategy, which also involves the mid-grade products and so on, so forth? And my second question to Shaun, you know, maybe a follow-up to Leonardo's previous question. It's...

Speaker #6: Shifting from a goal of maximizing value for the company instead of maximizing iron content in the portfolio . But looking at your realized prices in for Q , there was actually a decline versus three Q with weaker quality premiums .

Speaker #6: Can you try to help us think about the dynamics of of that in the last quarter and discuss how comfortable you are with the implementation of your current strategy , which also involves the Mid-grade products and so on and so forth .

Speaker #6: And my second question to to Sean , you know , maybe a follow up to to Leo's previous question . It's it didn't it didn't became become clear to me if , if you have or what are your alternatives to try and reduce for instance your your cash costs , especially in the business .

Daniel Sasson: It didn't become clear to me if you have or what are your alternatives to try and reduce, for instance, your cash costs, especially in the niche of business, right? Which is where you likely have more opportunities so as not to depend on high byproduct revenues, right? Which is, you know, prices you can't really control. So, what did you say are your more urgent operational goals that are not related only to ramping up volumes that would obviously allow you to dilute fixed costs, Shaun?

Speaker #6: Right. Which is where you likely have more opportunities, and to do so as not to depend on high byproduct revenues. Right.

Speaker #6: Which , you know , prices you can't really control . So what would you say are your more urgent operation operational goals that are not related only to ramping up volumes that would obviously allow you to fixed costs if you could get in more , more detail on what are your goals to to to reduce costs .

Daniel Sasson: If you could get in more detail on what are your goals to reduce costs, and then that obviously coupled with a more rational capital allocation, also, the nickel business would drive you to become free cash flow neutral, even if byproduct revenues decline, right? Those would be my questions. Thank you, guys.

Speaker #6: And that, obviously, coupled with the more rational capital allocation, also the business would drive you to become free cash flow neutral, even if byproduct revenues decline.

Speaker #6: Right. Those would be my questions. Thank you, guys.

Speaker #7: Hi Daniel , I'll take the first question and thank you for thank you for asking it . Indeed , our price realization for iron ore fines is slightly decreased .

Rogério Nogueira: Hi, Daniel, Rogério, I'll take the first question, and thank you for, thank you for asking it. Look, indeed, our price realization for iron ore fines is slightly decreased, but primarily due to lower market premiums and mix optimization. But it's important to notice that it was not due to structural premium deterioration. This is a, this is a very important point here. I mean, there were two main drivers for this quarter-on-quarter change in price realization. First, the decline in premiums for IOCJ. We had a decline of about $3.5 per ton. And also, we had a decline in premiums for BRBF of roughly $0.50.

Speaker #7: But primarily due to lower market premiums and mix optimization. But it's important to note that it was not due to structural premium deterioration.

Speaker #7: This is a this is a very important here . I mean , there were two main drivers for this quarter on quarter change in price realization .

Speaker #7: First , the decline in premiums for iron . We had about a decline of about $3.5 per ton . And also we had a decline in premiums for Brbf of roughly $0.50 .

Rogério Nogueira: The second one was our sort of plan design, I would say, of another mid-grade product from Carajás, and we're trying to do it to optimize production, but also to maximize the use of our resources and test some additional specs in the market and see customer response. But, having said that, I think we're always saying, and I'd like to reinforce, that our revised commercial strategy aims primarily at optimizing contribution margin across the supply chain. And we've been saying that it's not about optimizing price realization independently; it's looking at the whole supply chain and optimizing contribution margin. I think also, I'd like to call the attention to the fact that the premiums of our flagship products, especially the main ones, remained very resilient despite low steelmakers' margin globally.

Speaker #7: This the second one was our sort of plan design . I would say , of another mid product from Carajas . And we're trying to do it to optimize production , but also to maximize the use of our resources and test some additional specs in the market .

Speaker #7: And see customer response. But having said that, I think we are always saying, and I would like to reinforce, that our revised commercial strategy aims primarily at optimizing contribution margin across the supply chain.

Speaker #7: And we've been saying that it's not about optimizing price realization independently. It's looking at the whole supply chain and optimizing contribution margin.

Speaker #7: I think also , I'd like to call the attention to the fact that the premiums of our flagship products , especially the main ones , remained a very resilient despite low steelmakers margin globally .

Speaker #7: The in particular , if you look at Yosuga , it's premiums of around $13 per tonne . And brbf about $2 per ton .

Rogério Nogueira: So in particular, if you look at IOCJ, it sustained premiums of around $13 per ton, and BRBF, about $2 per ton, if you so average all the indexes 62. So very resilient premiums for those products. And I guess, more important to your question is that, going forward, I think what we see is that this flexibility will be a real strength for Vale, will be a real strength for us. So it may introduce some swings in price realization. I think this is something that you probably will observe, but we believe that it also will create optionality through the cycles. And with that, we believe we will be able to boost value through these cycles. So this is the view.

Speaker #7: So average all the indexes 62 . So very resilient premiums for those products . And I guess more important to your question is that going forward , I think what we see is that this , this flexibility will be a real strength for barley will be a real strength for us .

Speaker #7: So it may introduce swings in price realization . I think this is something that you probably will observe , but we believe that it also will create optionality through the cycles .

Speaker #7: And with that , we'll we believe we will be able to boost value through this cycle . So this is this is the .

Speaker #7: It's always looking to total contribution across the supply chain . And that's why we're trying to drive a very flexible supply chain

Rogério Nogueira: It's always looking to total contribution across the supply chain, and that's why we're trying to drive a very flexible supply chain.

Speaker #4: Yeah . And Daniel to to your second question , just to give you a bit more color , I think the first thing is , as you say , we have to develop a track record of execution , not just on costs , but , you know , obviously on volumes and , and asset integrity , maintenance , reliability and obviously to do so safely , it's been five quarters .

Shaun Usmar: Yeah. Daniel, to your second question, just to give you a bit more color. I think the first thing is, as you say, we have to develop a track record of execution, not just on costs, but, you know, obviously on volumes, and asset integrity, maintenance, reliability, and obviously to do so safely. It's been 5 quarters, you've seen the results relative to both market expectation. But I'll give you an example. Your question was specific to nickel. You know, it's the first time, I think, since Vale acquired the business nearly 20 years ago, that we actually met budget. You know, we obviously set strict but stretched budgets.

Speaker #4: You've seen the results relative to both market expectation . But I'll give you an example . Your question was specific to nickel . You know , it's the first time I think , since Valley acquired the business nearly 20 years ago , that we actually we met budget .

Speaker #4: You know , we obviously set straight stretch budgets . We are running this business not on backward looking metrics , but we're continuing to build in lower probability opportunities .

Shaun Usmar: We are running this business not on backward-looking metrics, but we're continuing to build in low probability opportunities we see as we mature them into our rolling forecasts, and continuing to prove above and beyond what we, you know, can see. So specifically on Onça Puma last year, brought on, on time, under budget, 13%. We achieved record production even last year, for that asset with that second furnace. This year, it'll be running at full entitlement, and we'll, you know, even in a lower cost environment, be generating cash. And Kilmann and our team have done a great job of both cost control, asset reliability, and bringing that on. And we, you know, I have to say, every single one of our assets contributed savings in that restructuring I mentioned, both in costs and CapEx.

Speaker #4: We see as we mature them into our rolling forecasts . And continuing to improve above and beyond what we , you can see so specifically on last year , but on on time Under budget , 13% , we achieved record production even last year for that asset .

Speaker #4: With that second furnace , this year will be running at full entitlement and we'll , you know , even in a lower cost environment , be generating cash .

Speaker #4: And Kilmarnock team have done a great job of both cost control , asset reliability and bringing that on . And we I have to say , every single one of our assets contributed savings in that restructuring .

Speaker #4: I mentioned , both in costs and CapEx and to Gustavo's point earlier in his opening remarks , continue to find these opportunities . And that's what we're pushing .

Shaun Usmar: To Gustavo's point earlier in his opening remarks, continue to find these opportunities, and that's what we're pushing. Voisey's Bay Long Harbor, we ramped up about 20% ahead of plan. You know, that meant we had nearly a $200 million improvement in our EBITDA relative to our internal plans, not because of price. As you know, nickel price was weak, but because of the successful execution, debottlenecking. And what happened in turn is, the feed that we put through Long Harbor allowed us, for the first time in its 11-year history, to hit record production.

Speaker #4: Voisey's Bay , Long Harbour , we ramped up about 20% ahead of plan . You know , that meant we had nearly a $200 million improvement in our EBITDA relative to our internal plans , not because of price .

Speaker #4: As you know , nickel price was weak , but because of the successful execution . Debottlenecking . And what happened in turn is the feed that we put through Long Harbour allowed us , for the first time in its 11 year history , to hit record production .

Speaker #4: Now , with that asset now fully ramped up at Voices , the the challenges for us to continue to run that at capacity in the year ahead , which will , while we continue to lower cost and dilute fixed costs .

Shaun Usmar: Now, with that asset now fully ramped up at Voisey's, the challenge is for us to continue to run that at capacity in the year ahead, which will, but while we continue to lower cost, and dilute fixed costs. Sudbury, you remember we were looking to maximize the throughput of our six mines through the Clarabelle mill. It's the biggest throughput at 5 million tons we've had since 2016. We have to go, and we will go beyond towards 7 million in the coming years. And there's an intense focus. We've got, like, breakouts of where the dominant constraints are. What are the key value drivers in each of these different areas? There's initiatives that are going above and beyond.

Speaker #4: Sudbury , you remember , we we were looking to maximize the throughput of our six mines through the Claribel mill . It's the biggest throughput at 5 million tons we've had since 2016 .

Speaker #4: We have to go, and we will go beyond, towards 7 million in the coming years. And there's an intense focus. We've got breakouts of where the dominant constraints are.

Speaker #4: What are the key value drivers in each of these different areas ? There's a initiatives that are going above and beyond will perhaps talk about in an Investor day later this year , alongside our copper projects and others , and just give you a bit more of a flavor .

Shaun Usmar: We'll perhaps talk about in an investor day later this year, alongside, our copper projects and others, and just give you a bit more of a flavor. So the idea is, beyond our current plans, we recognize that we have to be in the lower half of the cost curve, not relying on byproduct credits, and we're not there yet. And you'll recall Gustavo at, Vale Day, last year, saying that, you know, we've made a commitment to get to cash flow break even in lower price environments, you know, by the end of this year, and there's a lot of initiatives to, focus on us doing that. So hopefully that gives you a bit of a focus, but I'd say things like that asset integrity, asset reliability, and development rates in underground mines and improving productivities are a core focus.

Speaker #4: So the idea is beyond our current plans , we recognize that we have to be in the low half of the cost curve , not relying on byproduct credits .

Speaker #4: And we're not there yet . And you'll recall , Gustavo at Valade last year saying that , you know , we've made a commitment to get to cash flow , break even in lower price environments .

Speaker #4: You know , by the end of this year . And there's a lot of initiatives to focus on us doing that . So hopefully that gives you a bit of a focus .

Speaker #4: But I'd say things like that asset integrity , asset reliability and development rates in underground mines and improving productivity is are a core focus

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Alex Hacking from city . Please , Mr. Hacking , your microphone is open .

Rogério Nogueira: Our next question comes from Alex Hacking, from Citi. Please, Mr. Hacking, your microphone is open.

Speaker #8: Thanks . I had a couple of questions on nickel . Given your experience operating in Indonesia , how do you interpret the changes to the licenses there ?

Alex Hacking: Thanks. I had a couple of questions on nickel. You know, given your experience operating in Indonesia, how do you interpret the changes to the licenses there, firstly? And then secondly, do you see this as something that could be a structural change for the nickel market in terms of supply and price? Thank you.

Speaker #8: Firstly, and then secondly, do you see this as something that could be a structural change for the nickel market in terms of supply and price?

Speaker #8: Thank you

Speaker #4: Alex . It's I think it's a question that everyone is asking . You've seen the price response in the last periods . We've seen very clear guidance .

Shaun Usmar: Alex, it's. I think it's a question that everyone is asking. You've seen the price response in the last periods. We've seen very clear guidance, and I think a realization with the Indonesian government that, you know, they have an ability here to, you know, address some of the, significant oversupply. And there's also environmental and other aspects I think they're focusing on. So I'd say, going to, the thematic that was, I think, raised in the last couple of questions, we're cautiously optimistic, but we recognize we're on the wrong end of the cost curve, still on our journey, and candidly, from a competitive point of view, I don't wanna rely on the kindness of strangers to make sure that this business is resilient. So I'm cautiously optimistic.

Speaker #4: And I think a realization with the Indonesian government that , you know , they have an ability here to , you know , address some of the significant oversupply .

Speaker #4: And there's also environmental and other aspects . I think they're focusing on . So I'd say going to the Semitic that was , I think raised in the last couple of questions .

Speaker #4: We're cautiously optimistic . But we recognize we're on the wrong end of the cost curve still on our journey . And candidly , from a competitive point of view , I don't want to rely on the kindness of strangers to make sure that this business is resilient .

Speaker #4: So I cautiously optimistic you will see that , you know , you saw the write downs that we took on nickel , really as a focus on our disciplined capital allocation .

Shaun Usmar: You will see that, you know, we-- you saw the write-downs that we took on nickel really as a focus on our disciplined capital allocation. This is focused on legacy. I wanna make sure that this business is run as lean and as efficient and as cost competitive as we can, and then indeed, if we continue to find, you know, let's say more rational participation and supply occurring in Indonesia and elsewhere, we'll be the-- our shareholders will be the net beneficiaries of that. The focus is on what we can control.

Speaker #4: This is focused on legacy. I want to make sure that this business is run as lean and as efficient and as cost-competitive as we can.

Speaker #4: And then indeed , if we continue to find , you know , let's say , more rational participation and supply occurring in Indonesia and elsewhere will be our shareholders will be the net beneficiaries of that .

Speaker #4: The focus is on what we can control.

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Kuchibiru , from Bank of America , please , Mr. Ribeiro , your microphone is open

Operator: Our next question comes from Caio Ribeiro, from Bank of America. Please, Mr. Ribeiro, your microphone's open.

Speaker #9: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for the opportunity. So, my first question is on Fabrica and Vigor. I just wanted to see if you could provide some color on the latest developments with these operations.

Caio Ribeiro: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for the opportunity. So my first question is on Fábrica and Viga. I just wanted to see if you could provide some color on the latest developments with these operations. If you have, you know, yet a conclusion on what caused the sediment overflow and, you know, whether you see this generating any broader impacts to your other operations. You know, in other words, if you see the need to upgrade safety parameters to prevent this type of event at other operations, and also what is the current status quo in terms of freezing of assets or fines deriving from this incident?

Speaker #9: If you have yet a conclusion on what caused the sediment overflow and whether you see this generating any broader impacts to your other operations .

Speaker #9: In other words , if you see the need to upgrade safety parameters to prevent this type of event at other operations , and also what is the current status quo in terms of freezing of assets or fines , deriving from this incident ?

Speaker #9: And then secondly , you know , clearly the company has been making notable progress with de-risking with the characterization of dams , reduction of emergency levels of dams , as well , and this has been key to unlock restricted AUM , right .

Caio Ribeiro: And then secondly, you know, clearly the company has been making notable progress with de-risking, with the de-characterization of dams, reduction of emergency levels of dams as well, and this has been key to unlock restricted AUM, right? So I just wanted to see if you could share some color on how much, AUM you perceive is still restricted from investing in Vale at this point, and what you see, you know, as the key triggers, catalysts that, you as a company can deliver, over the next years, to unlock this restricted AUM. Thank you.

Speaker #9: So I just wanted to see if you could share some color on how much AUM you perceive is still restricted from investing in Vale at this point, and what you see as the key triggers or catalysts that you as a company can deliver over the next years.

Speaker #9: To unlock this restricted AUM . Thank you

Gustavo Pimenta: Caio, thanks for your question. Gustavo here. I'll cover the first one, and then Marcelo will cover the second one. So on Fábrica and Viga, what we had there was overflow of water with sediments, mostly related with very heavy rainfalls that we faced during that particular period. We've been since then working to restore the operational conditions of the site. The impact has been limited, so we expect that in the next two to three weeks, most of the work will be done, and we'll be ready to reestablish operations, certainly depending on the authorities for us to resume our operations.

Speaker #5: Thanks for your question , Gustavo . Here , I'll cover the first one and then Marcelo will cover the second one . So on Fabrica vigor , what we we had there was overflow of water with sediments mostly related with very heavy rainfalls that we faced during that particular period .

Speaker #5: We've been, since then, working to restore the operational conditions of the site. The impact has been limited, so we expect in the next two to three weeks most of the work will be done and we will be ready to reestablish operations.

Speaker #5: Certainly depending on . The authorities for for us to , to to resume operations , we are taking a deeper look at our facilities to see what else can we do to make sure we become even more resilient , resilient , given the changes that we are all facing in terms of climate change and so on .

Gustavo Pimenta: We are taking a deeper look at our facilities to see what else can we do to make sure we become even more resilience, resilient, given the changes that we are all facing in terms of climate change and so on. We will incorporate those learnings for our existing facilities and others. I think it is important to highlight that none of our dams and geotechnical structures have faced any impact, and they effectively performed very well during this rainy season. We do monitor them 24/7, and the work that we've been doing over the years have demonstrated that they continue to be resilient and performing very well.

Speaker #5: And we will use those learnings for our existing facilities and others. I think it is important to highlight that none of our dams and geotechnical structures have faced any impact.

Speaker #5: And they in fact , they performed very well during this rainy season . We do monitor them 24 over seven and the the work that we've been doing over the years have demonstrated that they continue to be resilient and performing very well .

Gustavo Pimenta: Nonetheless, we'll look back at what else we can do to make sure a similar event doesn't happen, and that's what the team is working on. But from a practical standpoint, the impact has been limited, and we are working as we speak to make sure we can put those facilities in conditions to resume operations.

Speaker #5: Nonetheless, we'll look back at what else we can do to make sure a similar event doesn't happen. And that's what the team is working on.

Speaker #5: But from a practical standpoint , the impact has been limited and we are working as we speak to make sure we can put those facilities in conditions to resume operations

Speaker #10: Kyle , this is Marcelo speaking about your second question . Our estimate is that right after the accidents we had about $5 trillion of assets under management between equity and fixed income .

Marcelo Bacci: Caio, this is Marcelo speaking. About your second question, our estimate is that, right after the accidents, we had about $5 trillion of assets under management between equity and fixed income, that became restricted from investing in Vale. And since then, and more recently, I would say most of the recovery that we had was last year. Apparently something like 30% of that or $1.5 trillion have been unlocked or unblocked from this restriction. I think the main events related to that is the improvement, first, the improvement in the ESG ratings that some of these investors follow, and we've been consistently improving, but some of them also have their own criteria.

Speaker #10: That became restricted from investing in Vale. And since then, and more recently, I would say most of the recovery that we had was last year.

Speaker #10: Apparently, something like 30% of that, or $1.5 trillion, has been unlocked or unblocked from this restriction. I think the main events related to that are the improvement.

Speaker #10: First, the improvement in the SG ratings that some of these investors follow. And we've been consistently improving, but some of them also have their own criteria.

Speaker #10: So in parallel to working on delivering the the KPIs that are important for the ESG ratings , we're also working directly with some of these investors in order to understand what the , you know , we still have to do to come back to their portfolios .

Marcelo Bacci: So in parallel to working on delivering the KPIs that are important for the ESG ratings, we're also working directly with some of these investors in order to understand what, you know, we still have to do to come back to their portfolios. For instance, next month of May, we're gonna have another roadshow in Scandinavia, which is an important part of those where those restrictions are, to show our improvements and, you know, to have a direct interaction with those investors. So this is gradually coming. It's up to us to continue to deliver the results so that we can accelerate the process.

Speaker #10: For instance , next month of May , we're going to have another roadshow in Scandinavia , which is an important part of those where those restrictions are to show our improvements .

Speaker #10: And , you know , to to have a direct interaction with those investors . So this is gradually coming . It's up to us to continue to deliver the results so that we can accelerate the process

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Christopher Lafemina from Jefferies. Please, Mr. Lafemina, your microphone is open.

Operator: Our next question comes from Christopher LaFemina from Jefferies. Please, Mr. LaFemina, your microphone's open.

Speaker #11: Hey guys . Thanks for taking my call . And I apologize if you addressed this earlier . I had to dial in late .

Christopher LaFemina: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call, and I apologize if you addressed this earlier. I had to dial in late. So my question is around the commercial strategy in iron ore. And I'm wondering a couple of different factors there. So first, obviously, with the emergence of CMRG, which is doing a lot of blending, does that impact the potential premiums that you might get on some of your blended ores? Because your blending strategy has been far ahead of your peers, and I'm wondering how what CMRG is doing might impact that. And secondly, just in terms of your pricing, I mean, pricing against the benchmark, historically, effectively against the Pilbara blend, which was 62% Fe content ore, and now that's 61%.

Speaker #11: So my question is around the strategy in iron ore . And I'm wondering a couple of different factors there . So first , obviously with the emergence of Cmmg , which is doing a lot of blending , does that impact the potential premiums that you might get on some of your blended orders ?

Speaker #11: Because you're blending strategy has been far ahead of your peers . And I'm wondering how what Cmmg is doing might impact that . And secondly , just in terms of of of your pricing , I mean , pricing against a benchmark historically , effectively against the Pilbara blend , which was 62% Fe content or and now that 61% .

Speaker #11: And I'm wondering if your discussions with your customers are in pricing relative to the benchmark, like where it is today versus where it's been historically, or if you're looking at bigger premiums just because the benchmark is lower quality.

Christopher LaFemina: I'm wondering if your discussions with your customers are in pricing relative to the benchmark, like where it is today versus where it's been historically. Or are you looking at bigger premiums just because the benchmark is lower quality? In other words, for the Chinese, I would say historically, you've gotten a 5% premium to the benchmark or whatever. It's 5% premium today, but the benchmark is lower quality ore, your premium should be bigger. Are you getting bigger premiums as a result of that? I'm not sure if that question was clear, but if it was, any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Speaker #11: In other words , the Chinese , I would say historically , you've gotten a 5% premium to the benchmark or whatever . It's 5% premium today , but the benchmark is lower quality or your premium should be bigger .

Speaker #11: Are you getting bigger premiums as a result of that ? I'm not sure if that question is clear , but if it was , any help , we appreciate it .

Speaker #11: Thank you

Rogério Nogueira: Hey, Chris, Rogério. No, it was very clear. To your first point about CMRG and the blending strategy, more broadly, I think we've been discussing with CMRG always with the view of, creating win-win opportunities. So it has to be something for us to operate on a differential basis that we create value for, for both of us. In regards to the blending strategy, CMRG has its own goals of, having its own blending yards, but it hasn't, and we don't believe it will affect our blending strategy in China. In particular, even if it, if they have their own, their own blending yards, I think you, you may think about the world as a single big blast furnace. So whatever comes in, is what makes a difference, and, and it's not how it is blended.

Speaker #7: Hey , Chris , you know , it was very clear . So your first point about Cmmg and the blending strategy more broadly , I think we've been discussing with CMG always with the view of creating win win opportunities .

Speaker #7: So it has to be something for us to operate on a differential basis that we create value for, for both of us.

Speaker #7: In regards to the blending strategy , CMG has its own goals having its own blending yards , but it hasn't and we don't believe it will affect our blending strategy in China and in particularly in particular , even if if they have their own , their own blend yards .

Speaker #7: I think you may think about the world as a single big blast furnace. So whatever comes in is what makes a difference.

Speaker #7: And it's not how it is blended . So the strategic thinking is about what kind of product , what kind of chemistry , what kind of size distribution we offer to this sort of big world blast furnace .

Rogério Nogueira: So the strategic thinking is about what kind of product, what kind of chemistry, what kind of size distribution we offer to this sort of big world blast furnace, okay, if you will. Your second question about the benchmark, it's what we do generally in our contracts is that we have a basket of indexes. So some of them will use Platts 62, some of them will use Metal Bulletin 62, Metal Bulletin 62 low aluminum. So to a certain extent, some clients are actually looking to move from the 62 to 61, which will become a more liquid index in the market, and it's a reality. But it doesn't affect our price realization if you will. I think if anything, it will change the price differential.

Speaker #7: If you will . Your second question about the the the benchmark , it's what we do generally in our contracts is that we have a basket of indexes .

Speaker #7: So, some of them we use Platts 62; some of them will use Metal Bulletin 62, Metal Bulletin 62 low aluminum.

Speaker #7: So, to a certain extent, some clients are actually looking to move from 62 to 61, which will become a more liquid index in the market.

Speaker #7: And it's a reality. But it doesn't affect our price realization, if you will. I think if anything, it will change the price differential and—

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Marcio Faraj from Goldman Sachs. Please, Mr. Faraj, your microphone is open.

Operator: Our next question comes from Marcio Farid from Goldman Sachs. Please, Mr. Farid, your microphone is open.

Speaker #12: Thank you . Good morning everyone . Thanks for the opportunity . Maybe a follow up to to Rogerio . Probably an important point there .

Marcio Farid: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the opportunity. Maybe a follow-up to Rogério. Rogério, probably an important point there, what's happening in the market in terms of overall grade decline. And you mentioned that the 61% benchmark does not change our price realization, but I'm just wondering, how does it change Vale's overall resources and ability? I mean, if you think about cut-off grade being cut, you probably talk about potentially increasing life of mine, reducing replacement CapEx, to some extent, reducing OpEx as well. And that seems to be where the liquidity and where the demand for China is gonna come from, right?

Speaker #12: What's happening in the market in terms of overall grade decline . And you mentioned the 61% benchmark does not change our price realization .

Speaker #12: But I'm just wondering how does it change values overall resources and ability ? I mean , if you think about cut off grade being cut , you probably talk about potentially increasing life of mine , reducing replacement CapEx to some extent , reducing opex as well , and that seems to be where the liquidity and where the the demand for China is going to come from .

Speaker #12: Right ? So , so just trying to understand how , how , how does this kind of degrading trend we are seeing globally affects values , resources on the ground .

Marcio Farid: So just trying to understand how does, you know, this kind of degrading trend we are seeing globally, affect Vale's resources on the ground? That would be great. And if you can follow up in terms of CMRG discussions. We're obviously hearing a lot about what's happening between CMRG and BHP, at least on the news, but just wondering if it, you know, that kind of, you know, hard conversation is, you know, it can eventually contaminate Vale as well, or it's been very specific to this one case. And maybe an update on the base metal side. I think there was an expectation that some technical reports can pop up in early 2026.

Speaker #12: That would be great . And if you can follow up in terms of discussions , what is the hearing a lot about ? What's happening between CMG and BHP , at least on the news .

Speaker #12: But just wondering if you know , that kind of , you know , hard , hard conversation is , you know it , it can can eventually contaminate value as well where it's been , it's been very specific to this one , to this one case .

Speaker #12: And maybe an update on the on the , on the base metal side . I think there was an expectation that some technical reports can pop up in early 2026 .

Speaker #12: Just trying to understand how how , you know , base Vpm is performing in terms of exploration program so we can better track the projects .

Marcio Farid: Just trying to understand how, you know, VBM is performing in terms of exploration program, so we can, you know, better track the projects. Thank you.

Speaker #12: Thank you .

Speaker #7: Oh , oh , Marcia , thanks . Thanks for the question . On the good that you follow up on the price realization on 61 .

Rogério Nogueira: Oh, Marcio, thanks, thanks for the question. And good that you follow up on the price realization on 61. Indeed, I think to, to your point, when everybody's moving down to a lower grade, to a 61 index, alumina, in most cases, the ratio alumina silica might increase, and if anything, that actually offers us an opportunity to improve our product mix to better, better suit to this new reality. So, it, it tends to be favorable to us. To your second question about, how do we use this, mix optimization, and, you're spot on, because the idea here is, one, to increase our resource base or to better use our resource base. If we keep the cut-off grades, too high, sometimes what we end up being waste is really good iron ore.

Speaker #7: Indeed , I think to to your point , when everybody is moving down to a lower grade , to a 6 to 1 index aluminum , in most cases , the ratio alumina silica might increase .

Speaker #7: And if anything , that actually offers us an opportunity to improve our product mix to better , better suit to this new reality .

Speaker #7: So it to be favorable to us . To your second question about how do we use this mix optimization and your spot on , because the idea here is one , to increase our resource base or to better use our resource base , if we keep the cutoff grades too high , sometimes what we end up being waste is really good iron ore .

Speaker #7: So the idea here was to really think about an integrated portfolio, one that actually looks into the market and also looks into our resources and capabilities.

Rogério Nogueira: So the idea here was really to think about an integrated portfolio, one that actually looks into the market and also look into our resources and capabilities. And obviously, as we reduce the cut-off grade, as you just pointed out, it actually increases the ability for us not only to improve the resource base, but to reduce CapEx, and reduce OpEx, increase production. So this is an integrated view together with Medeiros and Beta, and we're working very close together to optimize the supply chain in this regard. CMRG, I think to your third question, this is hard for us to comment on third-party negotiations. But I mean, from what we know, BHP's conversations with CMRG are still ongoing.

Speaker #7: And obviously as we reduce the cutoff grades , as you just pointed out , it actually increases the ability for us not only to improve the resource base , but to reduce CapEx in reduce opex , increase production .

Speaker #7: So this is an integrated view, together with Medeiros and Vita. And we're working very close together to optimize the supply chain in this regard.

Speaker #7: CMG , I think to your third is a hard for us to comment on . On third party negotiations , but I mean , from from what we know , BHP is conversations with CMG are still ongoing .

Rogério Nogueira: They will have second rounds or another rounds of negotiations with other more intense negotiations, actually, with other suppliers, iron ore suppliers, including ourselves. But we'll see it in due time.

Speaker #7: They they will have a second round or another round of negotiations with other more intense negotiations , actually with other suppliers and or suppliers , including ourselves .

Speaker #7: We'll see it in due time.

Speaker #4: Yep . And Matthew and your and your questions on the technical expiration side and those reports , you recall a valid there's a huge amount of work that's been done to take a different approach with our restructuring on projects in a fundamental way .

Shaun Usmar: Yeah. And Matthew, on your questions on the technical exploration side and those reports, you recall of Vale Day, there's a huge amount of work that's been done to take a different approach with our restructuring on projects, in a fundamental way. We are - what that looks like at a high level. The technical studies, SK 1300 level standard studies, you know, a couple hundred-page reports are in final draft form right now, which we're reviewing, and the idea would be for us, certainly before the end of the quarter, to be publishing those on the VBM website to make those available. So we just went through and discussed some of this with our board today, and we'll be finalizing that work and looking to make that available to investors and analysts.

Speaker #4: We what that looks like at a high level , the technical studies SK 1300 level standard studies , you know , a couple hundred page reports are in .

Speaker #4: Final draft form right now , which we're reviewing . And the idea would be for us , certainly before the end of the quarter , to be publishing those on the Vbm website to make those available .

Speaker #4: So we just went through and discussed some of this with our Board. Today, we will be finalizing that work and looking to make that available to investors and analysts.

Shaun Usmar: And also the MRMR and the exploration results, you know, the extensions and the results that we're seeing, which we're very excited about, will be unveiled, and we'll be able to talk more about that at an upcoming investor day. So, stay tuned. And the last thing to reemphasize, you remember we last year, particularly in copper and Carajás, the exploration potential is huge. We do about $170 million a year of exploration globally, and we reprioritized. We went from about eight to 23 drills in Pará, and indeed, from 20 to 30 thousand meters to 60 thousand last year. We're on track for 100,000 this year, and we'll be looking to update the market more regularly on some of those results, because I think they're very exciting.

Speaker #4: And also the MRMR in the expiration results. You know, the extensions and the results that we're seeing, which we're very excited about, will be unveiled and we'll be able to talk more about that at the upcoming Investor Day.

Speaker #4: So stay tuned . And the last thing to reemphasize , if you remember , we last year , particularly in copper in the Carajas , the exploration potential is huge .

Speaker #4: We do about 170 million a year of exploration globally , and we reprioritized we went from about 8 to 23 drills in para .

Speaker #4: And indeed from 20 30,000m to 60 last year . We're on track for the 100,000 this year , and we'll be looking to update the market more regularly on on some of those results , because I think they're they're very exciting .

Speaker #4: I think it's a lot of what Gustavo had referred to in terms of the upside and the growth potential that we're focusing on simultaneously.

Shaun Usmar: I think it's a lot of the work Gustavo had referred to in terms of the upside and the growth potential that we're focusing on simultaneously.

Speaker #1: Just as a reminder, we kindly ask you to take no more than two questions at a time. Our next question comes from Rodolfo Angele from J.P.

Operator: Just as a reminder, we kindly ask you to take no more than two questions at a time. Our next question comes from Rodolfo Angele, from JP Morgan. Please, Mr. Angele, the floor is yours.

Speaker #1: Morgan . Please , Mr. . Anjali , the floor is yours .

Speaker #13: Okay . Good morning . Interesting to see a conference call . Vale S.A. . Where biased towards base metals this time around . But I have a question on on each of the two sides of the business , and I want to start with iron ore .

Rodolfo Angele: Okay, good morning. Interesting to see a conference call, Vale, more biased towards base metals this time around. But I have a question on each of the two sides of the business, and I wanna start with iron ore. And this is probably for you, Rogério. I think one question we got a lot from investors into this year is about the strength of iron ore pricing. I guess investors were more on the bearish side. You know, there is capacity coming in. Simandou is a reality already. But you know, and we look at a few statistics. China importing record levels of iron ore, despite the fact that data suggests that steel consumption or production is already behind it. So I don't know.

Speaker #13: And this is probably for you , Rogerio , I think one question . We got a lot from investors into this here is about the strength of iron ore prices .

Speaker #13: I guess investors were more on the bearish side . You know , there is capacity coming in Simandou is a reality already . But you know , and we look at a few

Speaker #13: Statistics show China is importing record levels of iron ore, despite the fact that data suggests steel consumption or production is already behind it.

Speaker #13: So, I don't know, I would like to hear from you. What is your assessment? What is the state of affairs?

Rodolfo Angele: I would like to hear from you, what is your assessment? What is the state of affairs? What do you expect for 2026, in terms of iron ore business environment and, and whatever you can talk about prices? So this is my first question, and my second is, I'm gonna get back to base metals. I'm not sure if I understood correctly, but there is some additional information to come up on the development plans soon. But my-- I think investors are not yet pricing in the growth that Vale can deliver on iron ore. And ultimately, once we have a more detailed plan, today, I think it's a very real ambition, but if we get, like, you know, this is the how we're gonna get there.

Speaker #13: What do you expect for 2026? In terms of the iron ore business, environment, and whatever else? You can talk about prices. So this is my first question.

Speaker #13: My second is, I'm going to get back to base metals. I'm not sure if I understood correctly, but there is some additional information to come up on.

Speaker #13: The development plans Soon . But my I think investors are not yet pricing in the growth that can deliver on on iron ore and ultimately , once we have a more detailed plan today , I think it's it's a very real ambition .

Speaker #13: But if we get like , you know , this is the how we're going to get there , it's 50 from this project with this CapEx intensity .

Rodolfo Angele: It's 50 from this project with this CapEx intensity. So, I think that will be a trigger to see everyone kind of starting to put more numbers and to pricing that growth in Vale's copper growth story. So, is it reasonable to expect that, you know, in the short term? And if not, if you could comment a little bit, at least on what should we expect in terms of CapEx intensity, at least on a relative basis compared to industry, if you cannot turn numbers, just to give us an idea as well of potential returns. That's it. Thank you very much.

Speaker #13: So I think that will be a trigger to see everyone kind of starting to put more numbers in and suppressing that growth in the copper growth story.

Speaker #13: So is it reasonable to expect that , you know , in the short term and if not , if you can comment a little bit , at least on what should we expect in terms of CapEx intensity , at least on a relative basis compared to industry ?

Speaker #13: If you cannot share numbers, just give us an idea as well of potential returns, that's it. Thank you very much.

Rogério Nogueira: Hi, Rodolfo. Rogério here. I know that China is not easy to understand these days, but we see indication of good fundamentals, I mean, for both steel and also iron ore. And we do see that globally. China, as you know, infrastructure and manufacturing continue to provide positive support to steel demand, despite the challenges that we see and we know in the property sector, right? I think also, as we have seen, direct and indirect steel exports that we believe are likely to remain at very high levels. This is at least our view. So based on this, I mean, what we anticipate is that crude steel production for 2026 will be at the same level as last year in China.

Speaker #7: Hi , Rodolfo . Here . I know that China is not easy to to understand these days , but we see indication of good fundamentals .

Speaker #7: I mean , for both steel and also iron ore . And we do see that globally . China as you know , infrastructure and manufacturing continue to provide positive support to steel demand despite the challenges that we see .

Speaker #7: And we know in the in the property sector , right . I think also , as we have seen direct and indirect steel exports that we believe are likely to remain at very high levels .

Speaker #7: This is this is at least our our view . So based on this , I mean , what we anticipate is that crude steel production for 2026 will be at the same level as last year in China and outside China .

Rogério Nogueira: And outside China, we see market fundamentals are very positive or positive, I should say, across most regions. Some recovery we see more broadly in most of the world regions. In terms of iron ore supply and demand, we expect it to remain balanced at about 1.655, 1.65 billion tons. That's our view. And we, as you pointed out, we expect China's iron ore imports to remain broadly stable. This is our view. One point that everybody's noticing is the inventories, the high level of inventories at Chinese ports, which are roughly at 170 million tons currently, closed the year at 160.

Speaker #7: We see market fundamentals are very positive or positive . I should say , across most regions , some some recovery . We see more broadly in most of most of the world regions in terms of I don't ore supply and demand .

Speaker #7: We expect it to remain balanced at about 1.65 . I 1,650,000,000 tonnes . That's that's our view . And we as you pointed out , we expect China's iron ore imports to remain broadly stable .

Speaker #7: This is this is our view . Yeah . One point that everybody noticing is , is the inventories , the high level of inventories that Chinese ports , which are roughly at 170 million tons , currently closed the year at 160 .

Rogério Nogueira: We believe that when you look this on an aggregated basis, consolidated basis with steel mill inventories, you see that there is an offset. Steel mill inventories have increased about, about 20 million tons. So overall, when we look at it on a consolidated basis, iron ore inventory remains about 35 days of consumption, which is if you look back, it's within the typical range for this time of the year. So when we put all this all together and we, we see that steel and iron ore fundamentals, and they point to, to a healthy price level for 2026, you know, despite the usual volatility that we see. So when we when we say similar to last year, we're acknowledging there, there may be volatility throughout the year. Okay?

Speaker #7: We believe that when you look at this on an aggregated basis, consolidated basis with the steel mill inventories, you'll see that there is an offset at the steel mill.

Speaker #7: Inventories have increased about about 20 million tons . So overall , when we look at on a consolidated basis , iron ore inventory remains about 35 days of consumption , which is , if you look back .

Speaker #7: It's within the typical range for this time of the year . So when we put this all together and we we see that steel and iron ore fundamentals and they point to , to a healthy price level for 2026 , you know , despite the usual volatility that we see .

Speaker #7: So when we say similar to last year, we're acknowledging that there may be volatility throughout the year, okay? Specifically on Simandou, as we have been saying, we believe Simandou will come to the market gradually. And as we have been talking—and we emphasized during the Vale Day—the Simandou additional volumes will be offset by depletion in the industry.

Rogério Nogueira: Specifically on Simandou, we, as you asked, we believe Simandou will come to the market gradually, and as we have been talking and we emphasize during the Vale Day, the Simandou additional volumes will be offset by depletion in the industry.

Speaker #4: Yeah . Thanks . And then specifically to your question , firstly , I came to this job excited actually about exactly what you've just said , that I think I can't think of , I'd say a better Underrecognised copper growth profile than what we are seeing in this business .

Shaun Usmar: Yeah, thanks. And specifically to your question, but firstly, I came to this job excited, actually, about exactly what you've just said, that I think I can't think of. I'd say a better underrecognized copper growth profile than what we are seeing in this business. And I think that was the very idea that brought Gustavo and the team to sort of carve out GBM. I'd direct you to a few quick things. The first is, and I think you see it in these results, that we have to deliver in the immediate term. So there's, you know, quarterly delivery that we've been focusing on, and you see that in a number of occasions exceeding guidance. That's the earning at least some recognition of what is possible operationally.

Speaker #4: And I think there was the very idea that brought Gustavo and the team to sort of carve out VBM. I'll direct you to a few quick things.

Speaker #4: The first is , and I think you see it in these results , we have to deliver in the immediate term . So there's , you know , quarterly delivery that we've been focusing on .

Speaker #4: And you see that in a number of occasions, exceeding guidance. That's the earnings, at least some recognition of what is possible operationally.

Speaker #4: And then, if you go back to the valid material on the website, there was a huge focus on this. We actually overlaid on the slide as we restructured our approach to projects, particularly the copper growth side.

Shaun Usmar: And then if you go back to the Vale Day material on the website, there was a huge focus on this. We actually overlaid on the slide as we restructured our approach to projects, particularly the copper growth side. We took projects where we've dramatically low capital intensity. So for example, Bacaba, we've just got the license. We're well on track now in execution, which will bring online in the first half of 2028. That is nearly half the capital it was a year ago. The return's gone from mid-teens to over 50%. And it's more of a brownfields project in terms of risk. As you can appreciate, it's extremely attractive from a capital intensity point of view. Coarse particle flotation at Salobo, next one, nearly 30,000 tons of additional copper. That's the 2029 timeframe. We're well advanced on that.

Speaker #4: We took projects where we've dramatically lowered capital intensity. So, for example, we've just got the Ali, where we're well on track now in execution, which we'll bring online in the first half of 2028.

Speaker #4: That is nearly half the capital . It was a year ago . The returns gone from mid-teens to over 50% . And it's more of a brownfields project in terms of risk , as you can appreciate , it's extremely attractive from a capital intensity point of view .

Speaker #4: Of course , particle flotation , it's all over the next one . Nearly 30,000 tonnes of additional copper . That's the 2029 time frame we well advanced on that .

Speaker #4: We're looking at actually doing some early works now, and that's nearly half the capital intensity. And you're talking over 50% rate of return.

Shaun Usmar: We're looking at actually doing some early works now, and that's nearly half the capital intensity, and you're talking over 50% greater return, brownfield site project. Alemão is the next one. It's a brownfield site. We've changed the mining method from sublevel cave to sublevel stoping. The returns have gone from mid-teens to, you know, mid-twenties +, and that'll be the—we just November last year submitted the first license for that. So we've got this mapped out, we've accelerated, we've changed the sequence. It compares extremely favorably. You'll see it on our website, the capital intensities.

Speaker #4: Brownfield site Project Albemarle is the next one. It's a brownfield site. We've changed the mining method from sublevel cave to sublevel stoping.

Speaker #4: The returns have gone from mid-teens to , you know , mid 20s plus . And that'll be the we just November last year submitted the first license for that .

Speaker #4: So we've got this mapped out . We've accelerated . We've changed the sequence . It compares extremely favourably . You'll see it on our website .

Speaker #4: The capital intensities, and to your point, the technical studies, the execution, and I don't think at this point the IR team has released a date.

Shaun Usmar: And to your point, the technical studies, the execution, and I don't think at this point the IR team has released a date, but in the near term, we'd be looking to have an investor day to go through more of the detail with the team on the projects, the details, the operational improvements, and the things that have been discussed on this call in terms of cost improvements in both nickel and copper. And the other one is exploration, because I think it's extremely exciting and it's underappreciated.

Speaker #4: But in the near term, we'd be looking to have an investor day to go through more of the detail with the team on the projects, the details, the operational improvements, and the things that have been discussed on this call in terms of cost improvements in both nickel and copper.

Speaker #4: And the other one is exploration, because I think it's extremely exciting and it's underappreciated.

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Carlos de Alba from Morgan Stanley. Please, Mr. Bob, your microphone is open.

Rogério Nogueira: Our next question comes from Carlos Galba, from Morgan Stanley. Please, Mr. Galba, your microphone is open.

Speaker #14: Yeah . Good morning . Thank you very much . I want to go back now to capital allocation . Given the share price .

Carlos de Alba: Yeah, good morning. Thank you very much. I want to go back now to capital allocation. Given the share price, strong rally, and where you are in the Expanded net debt range, what is the view on returning excess cash to shareholders, potentially more buybacks, more special dividends? You know, how's the company thinking about it?

Speaker #14: Strong rally, and where you are in the expanded net debt range, what is the view on returning excess cash to shareholders?

Speaker #14: Potentially more buybacks, more special dividends. You know, how's the company thinking about it?

Marcelo Bacci: Hi, Carlos, Marcelo speaking here. I think, you know, the current market conditions are favorable for cash flow generation. So, in case we start to go in the direction of lower than the midpoint of our range in terms of Expanded net debt, there is a chance that we have additional returns to shareholders. Last year, we favored the dividends because of the change that came on the taxation that was effective in the beginning of this year.

Speaker #10: Carlos Marcello speaking here. I think you know the current market conditions are favorable for cash flow generation. So, in case we start to go in the direction of a lower than the midpoint of our range in terms of expanded net debt, there's a chance that we have additional returns to shareholders.

Speaker #10: Last year, we favored the dividends because of the change that came on the taxation. That was effective in the beginning of this year. For future allocations, we will see what is the situation at the moment.

Gustavo Pimenta: ... For future allocations, we will see what is the situation at the moment. We tend to be more balanced, but we will depend on the relative valuation, but definitely we will consider both dividends and buybacks.

Marcelo Bacci: ... For future allocations, we will see what is the situation at the moment. We tend to be more balanced, but we will depend on the relative valuation, but definitely we will consider both dividends and buybacks.

Speaker #10: We tend to be more balanced, but we will depend on the relative valuation. But definitely, we will consider both dividends and buybacks.

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Rafael Barcellos from Bradesco. BB, please. Mr. Barcellos, the floor is yours.

Operator: Our next question comes from Rafael Barcelos, from Bradesco BBI. Please, Mr. Barcelos, the floor is yours.

Speaker #15: Hello . Good morning . Thanks for for taking my questions and congratulations for the results . Rogerio , how do you how should we think about your mid-grade volume strategy ?

Rafael Barcellos: Hello, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions, and congratulations for the results. Rogério, how should we think about your mid-grade volume strategy this year? I mean, especially considering the increase in this type of product coming from Carajás. And what are you seeing in the freight market, I mean, which appears seasonally stronger this year? I mean, forward curves are pointing higher. So, I'm interested to understand, you know. You know, I understand that Vale is protected against the short-term volatility, but what could be the potential impact of the freight dynamics on the company and in the overall cost curve? And my second question, regarding M&A initiatives. Gustavo, we've continued to see very active M&A use flow across the sector. So how should we think about Vale's positioning in this environment?

Speaker #15: This year? I mean, especially considering the increase in this type of product coming from Carajás. And what are you seeing in the freight market?

Speaker #15: I mean , which appears seasonally stronger this year ? I mean , for are pointing higher . So so I'm interested to to understand , you know , you know , I understand that vol is protected against these short term volatility .

Speaker #15: But but what could be the potential impact of the freight dynamics on the company and in the overall cost curve ? And my second question regarding M&A initiatives , Gustavo , we've continued to see a very active M&A newsflow across the sector .

Speaker #15: So how should we think about positioning in this environment? And most recently, I mean, we saw discussions involving Rio Tinto and Glencore.

Rafael Barcellos: Most recently, I mean, we saw discussions involving Rio Tinto and Glencore. So, if something were to materialize there, how could that affect Vale's partnership with Glencore in the Victor operation in Canada? And more broadly, how should we think about future partnerships in Canada? Thanks a lot.

Speaker #15: So if something were to materialize , there , how could that affect valleys partnership with Glencore in the Victor operation in Canada and more broadly , how should we think about future partnerships in Canada ?

Speaker #15: Thanks a lot

Speaker #7: Hey , thanks for the question . In terms of your question on mid products from courageous in the volume , I think as we mentioned , we we are increasing it recently and we're expecting from 40 to 50 million tonnes this year .

Rogério Nogueira: Hey, Rafael, thanks for the question. In terms of your question on mid-grade products from Carajás and the volume, I think as we mentioned, we are increased recently, and we're expecting from 40 to 50 million tons this year. But it is based on the market assumption of what the market wants, is looking at what the market dynamics is currently. But again, the ultimate volume, the final volume, will depend on the market. What we're trying to do, as we said in the beginning, is adjust our product offering according to the market. So if the market values more, higher quality products, which actually yield higher productivity to the steel mills, we may shift our product portfolio. But again, it's all about maximizing total contribution, not necessarily volume, not necessarily a price realization.

Speaker #7: But it is based on the market assumption . Now what the market wants is looking at what the market dynamics is currently , but again , the volume the final volume will depend on the market .

Speaker #7: What we're trying to do , as we said in the beginning , is adjust our product offering according to the market . So if the market value is more higher quality products , which actually use higher productivity to this tumulus , we may shift our product portfolio .

Speaker #7: But again , it's all about maximizing total contribution , not not necessarily volume , not necessarily a price realization on the freight market .

Rogério Nogueira: On the freight market, you know, the freight market, as you pointed out, is really going up for the future. But we have actually, and I won't be able to give too much detail, we have revised our freight strategy this year with a very positive results. And what I can tell you is that, our exposure to the freight spot market today is very low. So the impact on us would be very limited, and I think on the positive side, it would increase our competitive position against other players.

Speaker #7: You know , the freight market , as you pointed out , is , is really going up for the future . But we have actually , and I won't be able to give too much detail .

Speaker #7: We have revised our freight strategy this year with a very positive results . And what I can tell you is that our exposure to this freight spot market today is very low .

Speaker #7: So the impact on us would be very limited. And I think, on the positive side, it would increase our competitive position against other players.

Gustavo Pimenta: Rafael, Gustavo here on your M&A question. Look, we continue to believe that we'll be able to capture more value by developing our unique endowment. This is a sort of competitive advantage for Vale vis-à-vis our peers. We have a tremendous endowment with the ability to bring projects online at below average cost of capital and capital intensity, as Shaun pointed out, with some examples there. That applies also for iron ore. So we think from a value creation standpoint, long term, developing our own endowment makes more sense, and that's where we're gonna get more value. We are looking at alternatives and potential transactions all the time, but you know, we have to appreciate, we still trade at a discount to peers of about 20%.

Speaker #5: Rafael , Gustavo , here on your on your M&A question . Look we continue to believe that we'll be able to capture more value by developing our unique endowment .

Speaker #5: This is sort of a competitive advantage for Vale vis-à-vis our peers. We have a tremendous endowment with the ability to bring projects online at below average cost of capital.

Speaker #5: And and capital intensity . As Sean pointed out , for , for with some examples , there , that applies also for iron ore .

Speaker #5: So we think, from a value creation standpoint, long term, developing our own endowment makes more sense. And that's where we're going to get more value.

Speaker #5: We are looking at alternatives and potential transactions all the time. But, you know, we have to appreciate we still trade at a discount to peers of about 20%.

Gustavo Pimenta: So for us, from a value accretion standpoint, it is certainly better to develop the endowment that we have. Now, if we look at our story, and the reason why I'm so optimistic about it, is if we are able to deliver growth at very competitive capital intensity below market, but at the same time, return strong cash remuneration to shareholders. So I think this is highly unique within the sector these days, so we'll continue to be focused on that. If tomorrow, as we pointed out long term, if we're doing 360 million tons in iron ore, C1 below $20, all-in below $50 per ton, and we are doing 700 kilotons in copper, this is certainly a very valuable portfolio of assets, and that's what this team is gonna pursue.

Speaker #5: So for us from the value accretion standpoint , it is certainly better to develop the endowment that we have . If we look at our story and the reason why I'm so optimistic about it is if we are able to deliver growth at very competitive capital intensity below market , but at the same time return strong cash remuneration to shareholders .

Speaker #5: So I think this is highly unique within the sector these days . So we will continue to be focused on that . If tomorrow , as we pointed out , long term , if we are doing 360 million tons in iron ore , C1 below $20 , all in below $50 per we are doing 700 kilotons in copper .

Speaker #5: This is certainly a very valuable portfolio of assets, and that's what this team is going to pursue.

Operator: This does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a nice day.

Gustavo Pimenta: Goodbye.

Operator: Goodbye.

Q4 2025 Vale SA Earnings Call

Request a DemoDemo

VALE

Vale SA

Earnings