Q4 2025 NNN REIT Inc Earnings Call

February 11, 2026

Operator: Greetings, and welcome to the NNN REIT Incorporated Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode, and a question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note, this conference is being recorded.

Speaker #2: At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. And a question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad.

Speaker #2: And please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Steve Horn, CEO of NNN REIT.

Operator: ... I will now turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Steve Horn, CEO of NNN REIT. Sir, the floor is yours.

Speaker #2: Sir, the floor is yours. Hey, thanks, Ali. Hey, good morning. Welcome to NNN REIT's fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. Joining me on the call is our Chief Financial Officer, Vincent Chao.

Steve Horn: Hey, thanks, Alex. Hey, good morning. Welcome to NNN REIT's Q4 2025 earnings call. Joining me on the call is our Chief Financial Officer, Vincent Chao. As outlined in this morning's press release, NNN delivered a solid operating financial performance in 2025, generating 2.7% growth in AFFO per share and completing over $900 million of acquisitions, the highest annual volume in NNN's history. The momentum exiting 2025, driven by elevated acquisition activity and the portfolio management of the vacancies, positions NNN well entering more uncertain macroeconomic environment in 2026. I am certain in the team's ability to execute across the full investment cycle, from sourcing the right opportunities to thoughtful underwriting, to proactive management of the highly diversified portfolio by geography, tenant, and industry.

Speaker #2: As outlined in this morning's press release, NNN delivered a solid operating and financial performance in 2025, generating 2.7% growth in AFFO per share and completing over $900 million of acquisitions, the highest annual volume in NNN's history.

Speaker #2: The momentum exiting 2025, driven by elevated acquisition activity and the portfolio management of the vacancies positions NNN well entering more uncertain macroeconomic environment in 2026.

Speaker #2: I am certain in the team's ability to execute across the full investment cycle, from sourcing the right opportunities to thoughtful underwriting, to proactive management of the highly diversified portfolio by geography, tenant, and industry.

Steve Horn: I am certain in the team's ability to execute across the full investment cycle, from sourcing the right opportunities to thoughtful underwriting, to proactive management of the highly diversified portfolio by geography, tenant, and industry.

Speaker #2: Before turning to the results and the outlook, I want to highlight several accomplishments in 2025. First, our 36 consecutive annual dividend increase. We maintained a highly flexible balance sheet, including a 10.8-year weighted average debt maturity, which is best in class.

Steve Horn: Before turning to the results and the outlook, I want to highlight several accomplishments in 2025. First, our 36 consecutive annual dividend increase. We maintained a highly flexible balance sheet, including a 10.8-year weighted average debt maturity, which is best in class. No encumbered assets and $1.2 billion of total available liquidity. We completed the executive team positioning, and also we continued performance on the acquisition platform alongside proactive portfolio management. The long-term value proposition remains unchanged. At its core, our strategy still continues to focus on executing a disciplined bottom-up investment approach, growing the dividend annually while maintaining a top-tier payout ratio, delivering mid-single-digit AFFO per share growth over the long term, aligning acquisitions, dispositions, and balance sheet management to support these objectives.

Speaker #2: No encumbered assets and 1.2 billion of total available liquidity. We completed the executive team positioning and also we continued performance on the acquisition platform alongside proactive portfolio management.

Speaker #2: The long-term value proposition remains unchanged at its core: our strategy still continues to focus on executing a disciplined, bottom-up investment approach, growing the dividend annually while maintaining a top-tier payout ratio, delivering mid-single-digit AFFO per share growth over the long term, aligning acquisitions, dispositions, and balance sheet management to support these objectives.

Steve Horn: At its core, our strategy still continues to focus on executing a disciplined bottom-up investment approach, growing the dividend annually while maintaining a top-tier payout ratio, delivering mid-single-digit AFFO per share growth over the long term, aligning acquisitions, dispositions, and balance sheet management to support these objectives.

Speaker #2: Turning to our outlook as we move through early of 2026, NNN enters the year on solid financial footing, a year-end we had 1.2 billion of total available liquidity followed by a record acquisition year.

Steve Horn: Turning to our outlook as we move through early 2026, NNN enters the year on solid financial footing. At year-end, we had $1.2 billion of total available liquidity, followed by a record acquisition year. Looking ahead, we expect to fund our 2026 strategy through a combination of approximately $210 million of retained free cash flow, roughly $130 million of planned dispositions, which together should result in manageable equity needs throughout the year, while maintaining leverage neutral. NNN's self-funding business model can consistently deliver growth in good and challenging economic conditions. Our long-standing approach to capital deployment, remaining selective and opportunistic, will not change.

Speaker #2: Looking ahead, we expect to fund our 2026 strategy through a combination of approximately $210 million of retained free cash flow and roughly $130 million of planned dispositions, which together should result in manageable equity needs throughout the year while maintaining leverage neutral.

Speaker #2: NNN's self-funding business model can consistently deliver growth in good and challenging economic conditions. Our long-standing approach to capital deployment remains selective and opportunistic and will not change.

Steve Horn: Our long-standing approach to capital deployment, remaining selective and opportunistic, will not change.

Speaker #2: Current cap rates have stabilized for the most part, with the fourth-quarter initial cap rate in line with the third quarter, and we're seeing that trend continue early in the first quarter of 2026.

Steve Horn: Current cap rates have stabilized for the most part, with the Q4 initial cap rate in line with the Q3, and we're seeing that trend continue early in the Q1 of 2026, but anticipating slight compression as we move further into the year. During the quarter, we invested just over $180 million across 55 properties at an initial cash cap rate of 7.4, and with a weighted average lease term of over 18 years. NNN historically sources most of its acquisitions through long-standing relationship, does not typically target investment-grade portfolios, which tend to have tenant-friendly lease provisions and lower organic growth, if any. Turning to the Q4 operating performance, our portfolio of 3,692 freestanding single-tenant properties is performing at a high level.

Speaker #2: But anticipating slight compression as we move further into the year. During the quarter, we invested just over $180 million across 55 properties, an initial cash cap rate of 7.4.

Speaker #2: And with a weighted average lease term of over 18 years. NNN historically sources most of its acquisitions through long-standing relationship and does not typically target investment-grade portfolios, which tend to have tenant-friendly lease provisions and lower organic growth, if any.

Steve Horn: which tend to have tenant-friendly lease provisions and lower organic growth, if any. Turning to the Q4 operating performance, our portfolio of 3,692 freestanding single-tenant properties is performing at a high level.

Speaker #2: Turning to the fourth quarter, operating performance our portfolio of 3,692 free-standing single-tenant properties is performing at a high level. As we sit here today, we're not having any conversations with portfolio tenants that raise concerns regarding operating performance or the ability to meet rent obligations.

Steve Horn: As we sit here today, we're not having any conversations with portfolio tenants that raise concerns regarding operating performance or the ability to meet rent obligations. Our occupancy is up 80 basis points from last quarter to 98.3, which is in line with our long-term average of give or take 98%. The increase in occupancy was a direct result of our asset management team and leasing department executing at a high level, addressing the elevated vacant assets from the end of the third quarter. I would classify the quarter as, quote, in line on renewals and leasing. 55 of our 64 renewed ahead of our average renewal rate of 85%, but the rental rates were 104% above prior. We leased four properties to new tenants at 109% of the prior rent, demonstrating strong demand for the assets.

Speaker #2: Our occupancy is up 80 basis points from last quarter to 98.3, which is in line with our long-term average of give or take 98%.

Speaker #2: The increase in occupancy was a direct result of our asset management team and leasing department executing at a high level, addressing the elevated vacant assets from the end of the third quarter.

Speaker #2: I would classify the quarter as "in line" on renewals and leasing. 55 of our 64 renewed ahead of our average renewal rate of 85%, but the rental rates were 104% above prior.

Steve Horn: 55 of our 64 renewed ahead of our average renewal rate of 85%, but the rental rates were 104% above prior. We leased four properties to new tenants at 109% of the prior rent, demonstrating strong demand for the assets.

Speaker #2: We leased four properties to new tenants at $109% of the prior rent, demonstrating strong demand for the assets. As a quick update on the assets of the furniture and restaurants, which were trending ahead of schedule, first, the furniture assets, as of today, we have the last five properties under contract for sale.

Steve Horn: As a quick update on the assets of the furniture and restaurants, which were trending ahead of schedule. First, the furniture assets. As of today, we have the last 5 properties under contract for sale. We expect the majority of those to close during the current quarter, but however, you know, 1 or 2 could slip to the Q2. With respect to the restaurant assets, the team continues to make solid progress, identifying the optimal outcome for each property. Solutions include asset sales, re-leasing, or redevelopment with strong brands across multiple industries. Currently, 32 properties remain, 15 are for sale, and 4 are in advanced discussions about leasing. The remaining 13 we're actively marketing. We expect to reach resolution on these assets progressively throughout the year. On disposition side, Q4, we sold 18 income-producing, along with 42 vacant, generating $82 million of proceeds during the quarter.

Speaker #2: We expect the majority of those to close during the current quarter, but however, one or two could slip to the second quarter. With respect to the restaurant assets, the team continues to make solid progress identifying the optimal outcome for each property.

Speaker #2: Solutions include asset sales, re-leasing, or redevelopment with strong brands across multiple industries. Currently, 32 properties remain. 15 are for sale and 4 are in advanced discussions about leasing.

Steve Horn: Currently, 32 properties remain, 15 are for sale, and 4 are in advanced discussions about leasing. The remaining 13 we're actively marketing. We expect to reach resolution on these assets progressively throughout the year. On disposition side, Q4, we sold 18 income-producing, along with 42 vacant, generating $82 million of proceeds during the quarter.

Speaker #2: The remaining 13 were actively marketing. We expect to reach resolution year. On disposition side, the fourth quarter, we sold 18 income-producing, along with 42 vacant, generating $82 million of proceeds during the quarter, for the full year dispositions totaled $190 million including $49 vacant at a 6.4 cap rate and $67 vacant assets.

Steve Horn: For the full year, dispositions totaled $190 million, including 49 vacant at a 6.4 cap rate and 67 vacant assets. While re-leasing remains our priority, we continue to be selective, disposing of non-performing assets where there's no clear path for near-term income generation. With that, let me call-- turn the call over to Ben to provide additional detail with our quarterly results and updated guidance.

Speaker #2: While re-leasing remains our priority, we continue to be selective disposing of non-performing assets, where there's no clear path for near-term income generation. With that, let me turn the call over to Ben to provide additional detail with our quarterly results and updated guidance.

Speaker #1: Thank you, Steve. Let's start with our customary cautionary statements. During this call, we will make certain statements that may be considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law.

Steve Horn: Thank you, Steve. Let's start with our customary cautionary statements. During this call, we will make certain statements that may be considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law.

Vincent Chao: Thank you, Steve. Let's start with our customary cautionary statements. During this call, we will make certain statements that may be considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law.

Speaker #1: The company's actual future results may differ significantly from matters discussed in these forward-looking statements, and we may not release revisions to these forward-looking statements to reflect changes after the statements are made.

Vincent Chao: ... The company's actual future results may differ significantly from matters discussed in these forward-looking statements, and we may not release revisions to these forward-looking statements to reflect changes after the statements are made. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ from expectations are disclosed in greater detail in the company's filings with the SEC and in this morning's press release. Now on to results. This morning, we reported Core FFO and AFFO of $0.87 per share, each up 6.1% year-over-year. For the full year, Core FFO per share was $3.41, and AFFO per share was $3.44, each up 2.7% versus 2024. These solid results come despite several headwinds to start the year and reflect the resilience of our cycle-tested business model.

Speaker #1: Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ from expectations are disclosed in greater detail in the company's filings with the SEC and in this morning's press release.

Speaker #1: Now onto results. This morning, we reported core FFO and AFFO of 87 cents per share, each up 6.1% year over year. For the full year, core FFO per share was $3.41 and AFFO per share was $3.44, each 2024.

Vincent Chao: For the full year, Core FFO per share was $3.41, and AFFO per share was $3.44, each up 2.7% versus 2024. These solid results come despite several headwinds to start the year and reflect the resilience of our cycle-tested business model.

Speaker #1: These solid results come despite several headwinds to start the year and are reflected resilience of our cycle-tested business model. AFFO per share for the quarter came in slightly ahead of our expectations.

Vincent Chao: AFFO per share for the quarter came in slightly ahead of our expectations. The upside was driven by a number of smaller positive variances, including lower net real estate expenses, lower G&A, and higher interest income. There were no notable run rate items to call out this quarter. G&A, as a percentage of total revenue, was 4.9% for the quarter, and 5.1% for the full year. As a percentage of NOI, which we think is a better way to think about it, G&A was 5.1% for the quarter and 5.3% for the year. Free cash flow after dividend was about $51 million in the fourth quarter.

Speaker #1: The upside was driven by a number of smaller positive variances, including lower net real estate expenses, lower G&A, and higher interest income. There were no notable run rate items to call out this quarter.

Speaker #1: G&A as a percentage of total revenue was 4.9% for the quarter and 5.1% for the full year. As a percentage of NOI, which we think is a better way to think about it, G&A was 5.1% for the quarter and 5.3% for the year.

Speaker #1: Free cash flow after dividend was about $51 million in the fourth quarter. As Steve mentioned, we ended the year at 98.3% occupancy up 80 basis points over last quarter, which again speaks to the resiliency of our business model and the portfolio and the strength of our leasing and asset management teams.

Vincent Chao: As Steve mentioned, we ended the year at 98.3% occupancy, up 80 basis points over last quarter, which again speaks to the resiliency of our business model and the portfolio, and the strength of our leasing and asset management teams. Annualized Base Rent was $928 million at the end of the quarter, an increase of close to 8% year-over-year, compared to a 7% increase last quarter, driven by our strong acquisition activity throughout the year. With regard to our Watch List, there have been no material changes since last quarter, and we believe our Bad Debt assumptions are sufficient to absorb any future tenant issues.

Speaker #1: Annualized base rent was $928 million at the end of the quarter, an increase of close to 8% year over year compared to a 7% increase last quarter driven by our strong acquisition activity throughout the year.

Speaker #1: With regard to our watchlist, there have been no material changes since last quarter, and we believe our bad debt assumptions are sufficient to absorb any future tenant issues.

Speaker #1: Although headline risk can create noise, it's important to keep in mind that NNN's proven strategy of focusing on real estate quality property and corporate-level credit and low cost and rent basis using a long-term sale lease-back structure has allowed NNN to successfully navigate various economic cycles with limited long-term cash flow impacts.

Vincent Chao: Although headline risk can create noise, it's important to keep in mind that NNN's proven strategy of focusing on real estate quality, property and corporate-level credit, and low cost and rent basis, using a long-term sale-leaseback structure, has allowed NNN to successfully navigate various economic cycles with limited long-term cash flow impacts. Turning to our capital markets activity. In November, we paid off our $400 million, 4% coupon note at maturity. In December, we closed on a $300 million delayed draw term loan and entered into forward-starting swaps totaling $200 million that fixed SOFR at 3.22%. In conjunction with the execution of the term loan, we amended our revolving credit facility to eliminate the SOFR credit spread adjustment, reducing the effective interest rate on our revolver by 10 basis points.

Speaker #1: Turning to our capital markets activity. In November, 4% coupon note at maturity. In December, we closed on a $300 million delayed-draw term loan and entered into forward-starting swaps totaling $200 million that fix over at 3.22%.

Speaker #1: In conjunction with the execution of the term loan, we amended our revolving credit facility to eliminate the SOFR credit spread adjustment, reducing the effective interest rate on our revolver by 10 basis points.

Vincent Chao: In conjunction with the execution of the term loan, we amended our revolving credit facility to eliminate the SOFR credit spread adjustment, reducing the effective interest rate on our revolver by 10 basis points.

Speaker #1: Subsequent to the end of the quarter, we drew down $200 million against the term loan, leaving us with $100 million of remaining availability. Moving to the balance sheet, our BBB+ rated balance sheet remains in great shape.

Vincent Chao: Subsequent to the end of the quarter, we drew down $200 million against the term loan, leaving us with $100 million of remaining availability. Moving to the balance sheet, our triple B plus rated balance sheet remains in great shape. At the end of the quarter, we had no encumbered assets and $1.2 billion in available liquidity. Pro forma for the full drawdown of our term loan, floating rate debt represented just 1% of total debt. Our leverage was consistent with last quarter at 5.6 times, and our duration remained the highest in the net lease space at 10.8 years, and is well matched with our lease duration of 10.2 years.

Speaker #1: At the end of the quarter, we had no encumbered assets and $1.2 billion of available liquidity. Performa for the full drawdown of our term loan, floating rate debt represented just 1% of total debt.

Speaker #1: Our leverage was consistent with last quarter at 5.6 times. And our duration remains the highest in the net lease base at 10.8 years and is well matched with our lease duration of 10.2 years.

Speaker #1: On January 15th, we announced a 60-cent quarterly dividend representing a 3.4% year over year increase and equating to an attractive 5.5% annualized dividend yield and a prudent 69% AFFO payout ratio.

Vincent Chao: On 15 January, we announced a $0.60 quarterly dividend, representing a 3.4% year-over-year increase and equating to an attractive 5.5% annualized dividend yield and a prudent 69% AFFO payout ratio. I'll end my opening remarks with some additional color regarding our initial 2026 outlook. We are establishing an AFFO per share guidance range of $3.52 to 3.58, and core FFO per share guidance of $3.47 to 3.53. The midpoint of our AFFO range represents 3.2% year-over-year growth in 2026, accelerating from 2.7% growth in 2025, as we move past the tenant issues experienced in late 2024.

Speaker #1: I'll end my opening remarks with some additional color regarding our initial 2026 outlook. We are establishing an AFFO per share guidance range of $3.52 to $3.58, and core FFO per share guidance at $3.47 to $3.53.

Speaker #1: The midpoint of our AFFO range to represents 3.2% year over year growth in 2026, accelerating from 2.7% growth in 2025 as we move past the tenant issues experienced in late 2024.

Speaker #1: Consistent with past years, our initial outlook embeds a self-funded level of acquisitions, with further upside dictated by market conditions and our cost of capital.

Vincent Chao: Consistent with past years, our initial outlook embeds a self-funded level of acquisitions, with further upside dictated by market conditions and our cost of capital, as we remain focused on driving efficient per share earnings growth. Specifically, at the midpoint, our outlook embeds $600 million of acquisitions, which is funded primarily with $130 million of dispositions, expected free cash flow of about $210 million, and a leverage-neutral amount of incremental debt financing. From a credit loss perspective, we have included 75 basis points of bad debt in our full-year outlook, which we think is prudently conservative, to start the year. Additional details regarding the underlying assumptions embedded in our guidance can be found in our earnings release. With that, I'll turn the call back over to the operator for questions.

Speaker #1: As we remain focused on driving efficient per share earnings growth, specifically at the midpoint, our outlook embeds $600 million of acquisitions, which is funded primarily with $130 million of dispositions, expected free cash flow of about $210 million, and a leverage-neutral amount of incremental debt financing.

Speaker #1: From a credit loss perspective, we have included 75 basis points of bad debt in our full-year outlook, which we think is prudently conservative to start the year.

Vincent Chao: we have included 75 basis points of bad debt in our full-year outlook, which we think is prudently conservative, to start the year. Additional details regarding the underlying assumptions embedded in our guidance can be found in our earnings release. With that, I'll turn the call back over to the operator for questions.

Speaker #1: Additional details regarding the underlying assumptions embedded in our guidance can be found in our earnings release. With that, I'll turn the call back over to the operator for questions.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we will be conducting our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad.

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Speaker #2: Thank you. Our first question is coming from Michael Goldsmith with UBS, your line is live.

Speaker #3: Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my questions. In the press release, Steve, you mentioned proactive portfolio management. So can you kind of provide the latest and greatest on what you're doing there, where you see it, and then, I guess you can also tie that into your occupancy took a step up during the quarter to above 98%.

Michael Goldsmith: Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my questions. In the press release, Steve, you mentioned proactive portfolio management. So can you kind of provide the latest and greatest on what you're doing there, where you see it? And then I guess you can also tie that into, you know, your occupancy took a step up during the quarter to above 98%, but is that the long-term number you want to be, or you've been higher than that in the past? So just trying to get a sense of where you're at with that.

Speaker #3: you've been higher than that in the past? So just trying to get a sense of where you're at

Speaker #3: with that. Yeah.

Speaker #1: I mean, I think ideally, you want to be slightly above that. But we do deal with retailers, so with lease terms that come up, so we do get assets back.

Vincent Chao: Yeah, I mean, I think ideally, you know, you want to be slightly, you know, above that. But, you know, we do deal with retailers, so with lease terms that come up, so we do get assets back. But what I mean on the proactive portfolio management, yeah, you have a portfolio and there's a bell curve. Everybody has kind of the bottom 10%.

Speaker #1: But what I mean on the proactive portfolio management is, you have a portfolio, and there's a bell curve. Everybody has kind of the bottom 10%.

Speaker #1: And with our relationships, we're always constantly in discussions. So we have a good idea of who's going to renew at the end of lease terms.

Steve Horn: ... And with our relationships, we're always constantly in discussions. So we have a good idea of who's going to renew at the end of lease terms. And if we can get a sense of that, you know, if there's 5 years left and we can dispose of the asset with the goal of getting our renewal rates higher over the course of time, we're just trying to get ahead of future problems. And it's more on the real estate side, because credit can turn on a dime and - but we always are, you know, monitoring credit, talking to the tenants. We're just really just trying to keep the portfolio, in good stead over time, which I think we have, as far as our renewal rates being around that 85% and having over 100% recapture rate.

Speaker #1: And if we can get a sense of that, if there's five years left and we can dispose of the asset, with the goal of getting our renewal rates higher over the course of time, we're just trying to get ahead of future problems.

Speaker #1: And it's more on the real estate side. Because credit can turn on a dime, but we always are monitoring credit, talking to the tenants.

Speaker #1: We're just really just trying to keep the portfolio in good stead over time, which I think we have, as far as our renewal rates being around that 85% and having over 100% recapture rate.

Steve Horn: We're just really just trying to keep the portfolio, in good stead over time, which I think we have, as far as our renewal rates being around that 85% and having over 100% recapture rate.

Speaker #3: Got it. Thanks for that. And then just on the bad debt assumption, it looks like you're starting with 75 basis points. Last year, I know it wasn't you, Vin.

Nick Joseph: Got it. Thanks for that. Then just on the bad debt assumption, looks like you're starting with 75 basis points. Last year, I know it wasn't you, Vin, who set up, but it started lower, and then prior to that, I think the number was a bit higher. Can you just talk about, you know, why is 75 basis points the right way to start the year? And, you know, I think earlier you mentioned that there was not any material changes on your Watch List. Just trying to get a sense of some context around that number. Thanks.

Michael Goldsmith: Got it. Thanks for that. Then just on the bad debt assumption, looks like you're starting with 75 basis points. Last year, I know it wasn't you, Vin, who set up, but it started lower, and then prior to that, I think the number was a bit higher. Can you just talk about, you know, why is 75 basis points the right way to start the year? And, you know, I think earlier you mentioned that there was not any material changes on your Watch List. Just trying to get a sense of some context around that number. Thanks.

Speaker #3: Who set up, but it started lower and then prior to that, I think the number was a bit higher. So can you just talk about why is 75 year?

Speaker #3: And I think earlier you mentioned that there was not any material changes on your watch list. So just trying to get a sense of some context around that number.

Speaker #3: Thanks.

Speaker #1: Yeah. Thanks for the question. Yeah. So one, I'll just start off by saying no matter what number we put out there, we're either too conservative or too aggressive.

Vincent Chao: Yeah, thanks for the question. Yeah, so, one, I would just start off by saying, no matter what number we put out there, we're either too conservative or too aggressive. So, typically, it's been about 100 basis points. That's the long-term sort of, you know, starting point. Last year, we went to 60 basis points because we had already taken out two of our larger problem tenants, the most immediate concerns with, with the two tenants, the furniture and restaurant operator. So they were already taken out of the numbers, and so we went with a lower number to start, to reflect any other future speculative. For this year, you know, I think as we looked at it, we, we don't really have any changes to the watch list.

Speaker #1: So typically, it's been about 100 basis points. That's the long-term sort of starting point. Last year, we went to 60 basis points because we had already taken out two of our larger problem tenants, the most immediate concerns with the two tenants, the furniture and restaurant operator.

Speaker #1: So they were already taken out of the numbers. And so we went with a lower number to start, to reflect any other future speculative for this year.

Vincent Chao: For this year, you know, I think as we looked at it, we, we don't really have any changes to the watch list.

Speaker #1: I think as we looked at it, we don't really have any changes to the watch list. We haven't really had any known issues that are of any materiality but we felt like, "Hey, going back to 75 would just be a prudent way to start the year." So far, we really haven't been impacted too much by some of the retailer headlines that have been out there.

Vincent Chao: We haven't really had any known issues that are of any materiality. But we felt like, hey, going back to 75 would just be a prudent way to start the year. You know, so far, we really haven't been impacted too much by some of the retailer headlines that have been out there, and we hope that remains the case. But, you know, historically, we've done between 30 and 50 basis points of realized bad debt, and so starting at 75 feels like a comfortable way to start, you know, to begin the year.

Speaker #1: And we hope that remains the case. But historically, we've done between 30 and 50 basis points of realized bad debt. And so starting at 75 feels like a comfortable way to start to begin the year.

Speaker #3: Thank you very much. Good luck in

Nick Joseph: Dan, thank you very much. Good luck in 2026.

Michael Goldsmith: Dan, thank you very much. Good luck in 2026.

Speaker #3: 2026.

Speaker #1: Thanks. Thank

Vincent Chao: Thanks.

Speaker #4: you.

Speaker #2: Thank from Spencer Glimcher with Green Street, your line is you. Our next question is coming live.

Steve Horn: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Spencer Glimcher with Green Street. Your line is live.

Speaker #5: Thank you. Maybe just piggybacking off the credit loss questions, can you guys share some color on kind of rent covers levels and where is the portfolio coverage today, and how does that compare to historic levels?

Spenser Glimcher: Thank you. Maybe just piggybacking off the, the credit loss questions, can you guys share some color on kind of rent coverage levels, and where is the portfolio coverage today, and how does that compare to historic levels?

Speaker #1: Yeah. Good question, Spencer. The vast majority of our tenants report property-level financials. But we're not seeing a decrease in the overall portfolio. I was actually just looking at some of the car wash assets I was surprised they ticked up a little bit.

Steve Horn: Yeah, good, good question, Spencer. You know, yeah, the vast majority of our, you know, tenants report property level financials, but we're not seeing a decrease in the overall portfolio. I was actually just looking at some of the car wash assets. I was surprised they ticked up a little bit. But when you focus on rent coverage, you gotta really keep in mind it's a stale number, you know, because not all tenants report, you know, quarterly. Some are on an annual basis, and the economy's moving so fast, the consumer, you know, we don't get hung up on one number in particular. We kind of look at the trends, and that comes back to our active portfolio management.

Speaker #1: But when you focus on rent coverage, you got to really keep in mind it's a stale number. Because not all tenants report quarterly. Some are on an annual basis.

Speaker #1: And the economy is moving so fast. The consumer—we don't get hung up on one number in particular. We kind of look at the trends.

Steve Horn: We kind of look at the trends, and that comes back to our active portfolio management.

Speaker #1: And that comes back to our active portfolio management. But overall, depending on the industry, we have the car wash. A lot of them are over three, four times.

Steve Horn: But overall, depending on the industry, you know, we have the car wash; a lot of them are over 3, 4 times, all the way down to auto service, might be closer to 2. But overall, we're comfortable with the rent coverage and don't have any concerns with it.

Speaker #1: All the way down to auto service, it might be closer to two. But overall, we're comfortable with the rent coverage and don't have any concerns with it.

Speaker #4: Yeah. And Spencer, we've talked about this before. I mean, when you think about rent coverage, depending on what line of trade you're talking about, one number may be very good for one line of trade and not so great for another line of trade.

Vincent Chao: Yeah, and Spencer, we've talked about this before. I mean, when you think about rent coverage, depending on what line of trade you're talking about, you know, one number may be very good for one line of trade and not so great for another line of trade. So looking at the overall portfolio average, you know, can help maybe somewhat with directional changes, but it's not necessarily a meaningful number in and of itself.

Speaker #4: So looking at the overall portfolio average, it can help maybe somewhat with directional changes. But it's not necessarily a meaningful number in and of itself.

Speaker #5: Yep. Yeah. Understood. That's why I was just asking maybe compared to historic levels, yeah, to your point, that the trends are important. But yeah, second question, just can you talk about which segments of your existing clients are looking to grow more aggressively in the near

Spenser Glimcher: Yep. Yeah, understood. That's why I was just asking, maybe compared to historic levels, yeah, to your point, that the trends are important. But yeah, second question: Just can you talk about which segments of your wholesale clients are looking to grow, more aggressively in the near term?

Speaker #5: term? Yeah.

Steve Horn: Yeah, you know, we do the bottom-up approach. We don't target a specific, you know, sector, because we can only buy stuff that's for sale. But that being said, you know, we do focus on the relationships, and we focus on the smaller parcels on, you know, high visibility, highly trafficked roads. And I'd say for 2025 and the pipeline, it seems like auto services and convenience stores are our biggest opportunities currently.

Speaker #1: We do the bottom-up approach. We don't target a specific sector because we can only buy stuff that's for sale. But that being said, we do focus on the relationships.

Speaker #1: And we focus on the smaller parcels, on high-visibility, high-trafficked roads. And I would say for '25 and the pipeline, it seems like auto services and convenience stores are our biggest opportunities.

Speaker #1: currently. Okay.

Speaker #5: Thank you, guys.

Spenser Glimcher: Okay. Thank you, guys.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Smead's Rules with Citi, your line is

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Smedes Rose with Citi. Your line is live.

Speaker #2: live. Hi.

Speaker #3: Thank you. I just wanted to ask a little bit about the pace of kind of lease termination fees. I know they had been elevated back in the third quarter and then seemed a little more normal in the fourth quarter, but maybe a little higher than normal.

Nick Joseph: Hi, thank you. I just wanted to ask a little bit about the pace of kind of lease termination fees. I know they had been elevated back in the third quarter and then seemed a little more normal in the fourth quarter, but maybe a little higher than normal. I'm just wondering what you're expecting as we move through 2026 on that front.

Smedes Rose: Hi, thank you. I just wanted to ask a little bit about the pace of kind of lease termination fees. I know they had been elevated back in the third quarter and then seemed a little more normal in the fourth quarter, but maybe a little higher than normal. I'm just wondering what you're expecting as we move through 2026 on that front.

Speaker #3: I'm just wondering what your expecting as you move through 2026 on that front.

Speaker #1: Yeah. Hey, Smeads. Yeah. As we kind of discussed in the past, I mean, we did for the full year, it was about $11 million just over $11 million of lease termination fees in 2025.

Vincent Chao: Yeah. Hey, Smedes. Yeah, as we've kind of discussed in the past, I mean, we did. You know, for the full year, it was about $11 million, just over $11 million of lease termination fees in 2025. The fourth quarter, it was around $230,000. So, you know, again, I would capture that--characterize that as a much more normalized level. But historically, we've probably done around $3 million-ish a year, you know, prior to the last two years, which were elevated. So that's, call it, just a little bit less than $1 million a quarter would be sort of a normal level. But it is chunky, so it's not like you just have a very stable quarterly number. That's why we don't focus on it too much.

Speaker #1: The fourth quarter, it was around $230,000. So again, I would characterize that as a much more normalized level. But historically, we've probably done around $3 million-ish a year prior to the last two years, which were elevated.

Speaker #1: So that's call it just a little bit less than a million a quarter would be sort of a normal level. But it is chunky.

Vincent Chao: But it is chunky, so it's not like you just have a very stable quarterly number. That's why we don't focus on it too much.

Speaker #1: So, it's not like you just have a very stable quarterly number. That's why we don't focus on it too much. But as far as how we're thinking about 2026, I would say we're assuming a more normalized level, more consistent with the $3 to $4 million lease termination level.

Vincent Chao: But as far as how we're thinking about 2026, I would say we're assuming a more normalized level, more consistent with the $3 to 4 million restoration level.

Speaker #3: Okay. And then I just want to ask you just sort of in general, from yourselves and from others, it seems like 2026 acquisition activity remains in a relatively elevated to maybe what we've seen in the past.

Smedes Rose: Okay. And then I just want to ask you, just sort of in general, from yourselves and from others, it seems like 2026 acquisition activity remains, you know, relatively elevated to maybe what we've seen in the past. I'm just curious as to, are you not seeing kind of incremental competition for your assets? I know a lot of yours come through long-term relationships already, but just in general, maybe some thoughts on the kind of the broader landscape of what you're seeing in terms of acquisition competition.

Speaker #3: And I'm just curious as to, are you not seeing kind of incremental competition for your assets? I know a lot of yours come through long-term relationships already.

Speaker #3: But just in general, maybe some thoughts on kind of the broader landscape of what you're seeing in terms of acquisition

Speaker #3: But just in general, maybe some thoughts on kind of the broader landscape of what you're seeing in terms of acquisition competition. Yeah.

Speaker #1: We've always operated in a highly competitive environment. There's always been competition. Just the names have changed over the course of 20 years of my career.

Steve Horn: Yeah, we've always operated in a highly competitive environment. You know, there's always been competition. Just the names have changed over the course of 20 years of my career. So I've not really seen an incremental competition entering the market. You know, all the deals we do, for the most part, are with sophisticated tenants, so they have a fiduciary responsibility to market the asset. But we just kind of get the first call and the last call, and that's where we rely on our relationships. But that's why I do expect, you know, cap rates to compress a little bit, possibly in the second, third quarter, just because there's peers out there that feel the need to elevate the acquisition activity, so they got to win a lot more deals.

Speaker #1: So I'm not really seeing any incremental competition entering the market. All the deals we do, for the most part, are with sophisticated tenants, so they have a fiduciary responsibility to market the asset.

Speaker #1: But we just kind of get the first call and the last call. And that's what we rely on our relationships. But that's why I do expect cap rates to compress a little bit, possibly in the second, third quarter.

Steve Horn: you know, cap rates to compress a little bit, possibly in the second, third quarter, just because there's peers out there that feel the need to elevate the acquisition activity, so they got to win a lot more deals.

Speaker #1: Just because there's peers out there that feel the need to elevate the acquisition activity. So they got to win a lot more

Speaker #1: deals. Okay.

Smedes Rose: Okay, thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank

Speaker #3: you. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from John Kilichowski with Wells Fargo. Your line is live.

Speaker #2: Our next question is coming from John Kilchesky with Wells Fargo, your line is live.

Speaker #6: Hi. Good morning. My first one is just on the acquisition guide and thinking about funding mix. Could you just walk us through the building blocks here?

John Kilichowski: Hi, good morning. My first one is just on the acquisition guide and thinking about funding mix. Could you just walk us through the building blocks here? I think it's about $200 million of free cash flow. You got high-end dispositions, $150 million. I'm just curious, how much are you willing to take leverage up to, you know, maybe go above and beyond that high end, or what's that capacity there?

Speaker #6: I think it's about $200 million of free cash flow. You got high-end dispositions: 150. I'm just curious, how much are you willing to take leverage up to maybe go above and beyond that high end?

Speaker #6: Or what's that capacity

Speaker #6: there? Hey,

Speaker #1: John. So one, we really don't have any appetite to take up leverage. We're sitting at 5.6 times. I think ideally, we generally have been around 5.5 times.

Vincent Chao: Hey, John. So, one, we really don't have any appetite to take up leverage. You know, we're sitting at 5.6 times. You know, I think ideally, you know, we generally have been around 5.5 times, so not looking to lever up to drive that acquisition volume. So as I said, you know, we're projecting $600 million at the midpoint of our guidance. That is, you know, pretty much entirely self-funded with free cash flow of $210 million expected, $130 million of dispositions, and then some incremental debt financing to stay leverage neutral.

Speaker #1: So not looking to lever up to drive that acquisition volume. So as I said, we're projecting 600 million at the midpoint of our guidance.

Speaker #1: That is pretty much entirely self-funded with free cash flow of $210 million expected. $130 million of dispositions and then some incremental debt financing to stay leverage neutral.

Speaker #1: And then again, beyond that, if there are additional opportunities, it really will depend on what the marketing conditions are, where the cap rates we cost of capital at that time.

Vincent Chao: And then again, beyond that, if there are additional opportunities, it really will depend on, you know, where, what the market conditions are, where the cap rates we're talking about, and what's our cost to capital at that time. You know, the other thing that we could, you know, look to do is, you know, rather than lever up, lean into some more dispositions. That would be an alternate source of equity if stock is not where it needs to be.

Speaker #1: The other thing that we could look to do is, rather than lever up, lean into some more dispositions. That would be an alternate source of equity if the stock is not where it needs to be.

Speaker #1: be. Got it.

Speaker #3: Very helpful. And then an extension of that would be sort of the cost of those dispositions. I know there's a handful of vacancies. What's a good blended cap, I guess, we should be thinking about in terms of the costs that you're getting on those sales?

John Kilichowski: Got it. Very helpful. And then an extension of that would be sort of the cost of those dispositions. I know there's a handful of vacancies. What's like a good blended cap, I guess, we should be thinking about in terms of the cost that you're getting on those sales?

Speaker #1: We don't know exactly which assets we're going to dispose of in the aggregate of that. At the high end of the range, $150 million.

Steve Horn: We don't know exactly, you know, which assets we're gonna dispose of to, in the aggregate of that, you know, the high end of the range of $150 million. This year, there will be a little bit more defensive sales on the portfolio pruning. So I would guess, you know, on the income-producing assets, I would expect a little bit of an elevated cap rate selling the assets. But when you blend it out, it will be, you know, I would guess, significantly below, you know, the 150 basis points of where we're gonna deploy capital.

Speaker #1: This year, there will be a little bit more defensive sales on the portfolio pruning. So I would guess on the income-producing assets, I would expect a little bit of an elevated cap rate, selling the assets.

Speaker #1: But when you blend it out, it will be I would guess significantly below the $150 basis points of where we're going to deploy capital.

Speaker #4: Yeah. And John, just.

Vincent Chao: Yeah, and John-

Speaker #3: Very helpful. Thank

John Kilichowski: Very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #1: We do have some you. vacancies are still higher than they were prior to the two tenants having some issues there in late 2024. And so there will still be a healthy number of vacant sales in 2026.

Vincent Chao: We do have some vacancies are still higher than they were prior to the two tenants having some issues there in late 2024. And so, you know, there will still be a healthy number of vacant sales in 2026.

Speaker #3: Got it. Thank

John Kilichowski: Got it. Thank you.

Speaker #3: you. Thank

Speaker #2: you. Our next question is coming from Ronald Camden with Morgan Stanley, your line is live.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Ronald Kamdem with Morgan Stanley. Your line is live.

Speaker #5: Hey, just two quick ones. Just on the occupancy, just where do you expect that to trend through the year? Number one. And then the bad debt question, just if you think about sort of the experience that you had last year coming into this year, the 75 sort of basis points, 75 sort of basis points guidance, can you just talk us through where you sort of got the confidence that you're not going to see another major one?

Ronald Kamdem: Hey, just two quick ones. Just on the occupancy, just where do you expect that to trend through the year? Number one, and then the bad debt question. Just if you think about sort of the experience that you had last year coming into this year, the 75 sort of basis points, 75 sort of basis points guidance, can you just talk us through where you sort of got the confidence that you're not gonna see another major one? Thanks.

Speaker #5: Thanks.

Speaker #1: Yeah. I'll take the accuracy and Vin can talk more about the bad debt. I think end of the first quarter, early second quarter, I expect the occupancy to trend up a little, exactly what Vin said.

Steve Horn: Yeah, I'll take the occupancy and, you know, Ben can talk more about the bad debt. I think, you know, end of Q1, early Q2, I expect the occupancy to trend up a little, exactly what Ben said. You know, we'll sell a few more vacancies that are in progress right now. But, you know, I don't expect it to be significantly higher, but trending a little bit higher. And our historical average is 98% ±, so I think we'll plateau there.

Speaker #1: We'll sell a few more vacancies that are in progress right now, but I don't expect it to be significantly higher—just trending a little bit higher.

Speaker #1: And our historical average is 98% plus or minus. So I think we'll plateau there.

Speaker #4: Yeah. And Ron, on the bad debt, I mean, what gives us confidence on the 75? I mean, I think, one, you've got history, right?

Vincent Chao: Yeah, and Ron, on the bad debt, I mean, what gives us confidence in the 75? I mean, I think one, you've got history, right? This is a portfolio that's been through every cycle you can imagine, and you know, historically the company's, you know, realized, call it 30 to 50 basis points of bad debt. So that's part of it. The other part is, you know, as Steve and I both mentioned in our prepared remarks, we're really not seeing anything that we feel is an imminent issue from a watchlist perspective. Nothing, you know, at least of a material nature. There's always gonna be, you know, some small tenants that fall out here and there, but from a material perspective, nothing really that we feel like we need to call out.

Speaker #4: This is a portfolio that's been through every cycle you can imagine. And historically, the companies realized, call it, 30 to 50 basis points of bad debt.

Speaker #4: So, that's part of it. The other part that we feel is an imminent issue. From a watchlist perspective, nothing—at least of a material nature.

Speaker #4: There's always going to be some small tenants that fall out here and there. But from a material perspective, nothing really that we feel like we need to call out.

Vincent Chao: There's always gonna be, you know, some small tenants that fall out here and there, but from a material perspective, nothing really that we feel like we need to call out.

Speaker #4: And so that's giving us the confidence that, again, 75 basis points is higher than our historical. But again, to start the— not getting ahead of—

Vincent Chao: So that's giving us the confidence that, you know, again, 75 basis points is higher than our historical. But again, to start the year, we're, we're just trying to make sure that we're not getting ahead of ourselves.

Speaker #4: ourselves. Thank

Operator: ... Thank you. Our next question is coming from Yana Galan with Bank of America. Your line is live.

Speaker #2: Our next question is coming from Iana Galan with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker #2: live. Thank you.

Jana Galan: Thank you. Good morning. Again, following up on the 2026 guidance, the expectation for the real estate expenses is down versus 2025, and it sounds like you're thinking that term fees will be lower. So would this just be better occupancy, or were there any kind of one-time things that could be driving the expenses?

Speaker #6: Good morning. Again, following up on the 2026 guidance, the expectation for the real estate expenses is down versus 2025. And it sounds like you're thinking that term fees will be lower.

Speaker #6: So would this just be better occupancy? Or would there be any kind of one-time things that could be driving the expenses?

Speaker #1: Yeah. So Jana, last year, we did 17.3 on net real estate expenses. And that's because we did have an elevated number of vacancies tied to the restaurant and the furniture operator.

Vincent Chao: Yeah. So, in general, last year, we did $17.3 on net real estate expenses, and that's because we did have an elevated number of vacancies tied to the restaurant and the furniture operator. So we were sort of at the peak, call it 90-ish vacancies. We're down to about 64 at the end of the year. And I think, you know, we do have some line of sight on some of the additional resolutions that Steve outlined in his prepared remarks. And so that's driving further vacancy declines, and that would result in lower real estate expense net.

Speaker #1: So we were sort of at the peak, call it, 90-ish vacancies. We were down to about 64 at the end of the year. And I think we do have some line of sight on some of the additional resolutions that Steve outlined in his prepared remarks.

Speaker #1: And so that's driving further vacancy declines. And that would result in lower real estate expense net.

Speaker #6: Thank you. And then maybe just on the watchlist, you mentioned no imminent issues, no major changes. But just curious, the current watchlist, are there any kind of common themes with industry or regions?

Jana Galan: Thank you. And then maybe just, you know, on the watch list, you mentioned, you know, no imminent issues, no major changes. But just curious, the current watch list, are there any kind of, kind of common themes with industries or regions, or is this more, like idiosyncratic one-off issues?

Speaker #6: Or is this more idiosyncratic one-off

Speaker #6: issues? Yeah.

Vincent Chao: Yeah, I think I would characterize it more as idiosyncratic. You know, definitely not no regional, you know, trends to call out. But, you know, the tenants that are on the watch list, I mean, AMC's on there. They've been, you know, on there as just from a movie industry perspective. There's nothing imminent that we're sort of expecting from them, but that's a pretty specific situation. I wouldn't call that, you know, a broad trend. And, you know, obviously, At Home is still on our watch list, even though they exited bankruptcy successfully and without any real issue to us. But again, idiosyncratic.

Speaker #1: I think I would characterize it more as idiosyncratic. Definitely no regional trends to call out. But the tenants that are on the watchlist, I mean, AMC is on there.

Speaker #1: They've been on there just from a movie industry perspective. There's nothing imminent that we're sort of expecting from them, but that's a pretty specific situation.

Speaker #1: I wouldn't call that a broad trend. And obviously, at home is still on our watchlist, even though they exited bankruptcy successfully. And without any real issue to us, but again,

Speaker #1: idiosyncratic. Thank

Jana Galan: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is live.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Brad Hefern with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker #2: live. Hey, morning,

Brad Heffern: Hey, good morning, everybody. Steve, can you give your thoughts on car wash? It looks like maybe you invested more in the quarter, and you got 4 car wash tenants in the top 20. It has been a source of investor concern at times, although not necessarily a source of concern from REITs. But do you think the sector has sort of gotten through its tough patch, and, and what's the outlook?

Speaker #3: Everybody. Steve, can you give your thoughts on car wash? It looks like maybe you invested more in the quarter, and you have four car wash tenants in the top 20.

Speaker #3: It has been a source of investor concern at times, although not necessarily a source of concern for REITs. But do you think the sector has sort of gotten through its tough patch?

Speaker #3: And what's the outlook?

Steve Horn: Yeah, based on our analysis of the car washes, ours are performing at a high level, high rent coverage. Most of the car washes that we did, the bulk of them was over a decade ago. So our price point on those are extremely low, and so the rent coverage, by definition, is extremely high. We're highly selective when we do car washes, so we really look at the price point. And what we're finding, just on an ancillary note, you know, on a few of the vacancies, on the restaurants, we had some car washes interested because it, it's great real estate, so they want to redevelop it. And we found there is a lot of cities that wouldn't allow a car wash in the city because there is already so many. So it's kind of interesting.

Speaker #1: Yeah. Based on our analysis of the car washes, ours are performing at a high level, high rent coverage. Most of the car washes that we did, the bulk of them, was over a decade ago.

Speaker #1: So our price point on those is extremely low, and so the rent coverage by definition is extremely high. We're highly selective when we do car washes.

Speaker #1: So we really look at the price point. And what we're finding—just on an ancillary note—on a few of the vacancies, on the restaurants, we had some car washes interested, because it's great real estate.

Speaker #1: So they want to redevelop it. And we found there is a lot of cities that wouldn't allow a car wash in the city because there was already so many.

Steve Horn: And we found there is a lot of cities that wouldn't allow a car wash in the city because there is already so many. So it's kind of interesting.

Speaker #1: So it's kind of interesting. I kind of look now. There's a barrier to entry to a lot of our car washes. And they're performing well.

Steve Horn: I kind of look now there's a barrier to entry to a lot of our car washes, and they're performing well. But yeah, no, no concerns. You know, and we were fortunate, you know, we didn't do the Zip deal. You know, we kind of looked at all the price points of that, so we're pretty good at underwriting car washes.

Speaker #1: But yeah, no concerns and we were fortunate we didn't do the zip steal when we kind of looked at all the price points of that.

Speaker #1: So we're pretty good at underwriting car washes.

Speaker #3: Okay. Got it. Thanks. And then Vin, on GNA, it's a pretty big jump year over year. Is there anything unusual in there, like investing in the platform or something like that?

Brad Heffern: Okay, got it. Thanks. And then, Vin, on G&A, it's a pretty big jump year-over-year. Is there anything unusual in there, like investing in the platform or something like that?

Vincent Chao: Yeah. So, it is up a little bit more from a percentage basis, more than an inflationary amount. I think, just to keep things in perspective, though, I mean, if you look at, as a percentage of total revenues, you know, we expect to be in that 5.5% range. So still very manageable. So in that context, not a significant jump. But there are a couple things that are driving that, that increase. One of which is, we were in a free rent period on our headquarters in Orlando here in 2025, and so that's about a million-dollar headwind in 2026. And then we did have a number of promotions.

Speaker #1: Yeah. So it is up a little bit more from a percentage basis, more than inflationary amount. I think just to keep things in perspective, though, I mean, if you look at it as a percentage of total revenues, we expect to be in that 5.5 percentish range so still very manageable.

Speaker #1: So, in that context, not a significant jump. But there are a couple of things that are driving that increase, one of which is we were in a free rent period on our headquarters in Orlando here in 2025.

Speaker #1: And so that's about a million-dollar headwind in 2026. And then we did have a number of promotions. Our team is executing well. And they're developing well.

Vincent Chao: You know, our team is executing well and, you know, developing well, and so, we have a number of promotions as well as a few new hires. And then lastly, you know, we did add one new executive to the team in August. So those are sort of the drivers of the higher than inflationary amount of G&A.

Speaker #1: And so we have a number of promotions, as well as a few new net hires. And then, lastly, we did add one new executive to the team in August.

Speaker #1: So those are sort of the drivers of the higher-than-inflationary amount of—

Speaker #3: Okay.

Brad Heffern: Okay, thanks.

Speaker #3: Thanks. Thank

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Rich Hightower with Barclays. Your line is live.

Speaker #2: Rich Hightower with Barclays. Our next question is coming from Barclays. Your line is live.

Speaker #5: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Vin, I want to go back to, I think, one of your parts of the prepared commentary.

Rich Hightower: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Vin, I want to go back to, I think, one of your parts of the prepared commentary, where you talk about sort of, you know, debt structure being sort of matched up with the average lease term in the portfolio, and I thought that was a helpful comment. So maybe if you don't mind, talk about as you sort of increase the balance of term loans relative to other sources of debt within the debt stack, how do you sort of think about that trade-off between, you know, headline coupon and duration risk, if we split it up that way?

Speaker #5: Where you talk about sort of debt structure being sort of matched up with the average lease term in the portfolio. And I thought that was a helpful comment.

Speaker #5: So maybe if you don't mind, talk about, as you sort of increase the balance of term loans relative to other sources of debt, within the debt stack, how do you sort of think about that trade-off between headline coupon and duration risk?

Speaker #5: If we split it up that

Speaker #5: way. Yeah.

Speaker #1: Look, it all goes into the mixer as far as how we think about it, right? I mean, we do have to think about the overall cost of debt.

Vincent Chao: Yeah, look, it all goes into the mixer as far as how we think about it, right? I mean, we do have to think about the overall cost of debt, but at the same time, you know, we were, you know, tracking around 11, 11 years of duration, and our lease duration actually has ticked up in the last 2 quarters, which is not typical. But, you know, as we think about that, we had a little bit of room to close that gap, and so that allowed us to do a little bit of shorter-term debt on the term loan side. Again, it's not a strategy in and of itself to use short-term debt.

Speaker #1: But at the same time, we were tracking around 11 years of duration. And our lease duration actually has ticked up in the last two quarters, which is not typical.

Speaker #1: But as we think about that, we had a little bit of room to close that gap. And so that allowed us to do a little bit of shorter-term debt on the term loan side.

Speaker #1: Again, it's not a strategy in and of itself to use short-term debt. It's just looking at our assets and liability matching and making sure that we're relatively close on that front.

Vincent Chao: It's just looking at our assets and liabilities matching, and making sure that we're, you know, relatively close on that front, and then, you know, weaving in some lower cost of debt if we can.

Speaker #1: And then weaving in some lower cost of debt if we can.

Speaker #5: Okay. That's helpful. And secondly, I guess on one of your peer calls earlier today, we sort of heard the comment that as far as the competition within the marketplace for acquisitions, you do have some buyers, maybe a little more motivated by some of the accelerated depreciation features of the OBBBA bill that passed.

Rich Hightower: ... Okay, that's helpful. And secondly, I guess on, on one of your, your peer calls earlier today, you know, we sort of heard the comment that, as far as the competition within the marketplace for acquisitions, and you do have some buyers maybe a little more motivated by some of the accelerated depreciation, features of the OBBBA bill that passed. And so, you know, what are you seeing in that regard? Do you see sort of irrational pricing, and would this cause you potentially maybe to lean into the disposition side of guidance a little more and, and, you know, obviously being cognizant of, of sort of earnings, you know, dilution that might come with that? Just how do you, how do you balance that out?

Speaker #5: And so, what are you seeing in that regard? Do you see sort of irrational pricing? And would this cause you potentially, maybe, to lean into the disposition side of guidance a little more, and obviously be cognizant of earnings dilution that might come with that?

Rich Hightower: you know, obviously being cognizant of, of sort of earnings, you know, dilution that might come with that? Just how do you, how do you balance that out?

Speaker #5: Just how do you balance that out?

Speaker #1: Yeah. I think case in point, we had elevated dispositions because we've leaned into it on the But as far as competition, a peer that may have on a call earlier, plays in a different market.

Steve Horn: No, I think case in point, we had elevated dispositions because we've leaned into it, you know, on the vacant and the income producing. But as far as, you know, competition, you know, you know, a peer that may have on a call earlier, plays in a different market, you know, buys open, you know, portfolios or existing portfolios and, you know, larger ones, you know, $50, $100 million. The competition that is in the market currently on the private side has to deploy a vast amount of capital. They're not gonna go do a $10, $15 million sale leaseback. So the competition really isn't affecting us. If I had to do $1.5, $2 billion, I'd probably have a different tune than competition's affecting us.

Speaker #1: Buys open portfolios or existing portfolios. And larger ones, $50, $100 million, the competition that is in the market currently on the private side has to deploy a vast amount of capital.

Speaker #1: They're not going to go do a 10, 15 million dollar sale lease back. So the competition really isn't affecting us. If I had to do one and a half, two billion dollars, I'd probably have a different tune that competition's affecting us.

Steve Horn: So the competition really isn't affecting us. If I had to do $1.5, $2 billion, I'd probably have a different tune than competition's affecting us.

Speaker #1: But going for the midpoint at $600 million, we can find our fair share, fairly easily, and do the sale-leaseback structure. Kind of what Vin just mentioned, it's an oddity that a net lease company lease duration, if you have any size, actually ticks up quarter over quarter.

Steve Horn: But, you know, going from the midpoint of $600 million, we can find our fair share fairly easily, and do the sale-leaseback structure. Kind of what Ben just mentioned, it's an oddity that a net lease company lease duration, if you have any size, actually ticks up quarter-over-quarter. That's a combination of doing a sale-leaseback, and our acquisitions average over 18 years. But more importantly, it comes back to, and I think it was Michael asked about the proactive portfolio management question, that the proactive portfolio management is that we're selling shorter-term leases. The lease duration of our income-producing assets we sold were 6.1. The dark book paying rent were 5. So when you count, you do that combination, and we sold them at a 6.4 cap rate, that's pretty stellar execution.

Speaker #1: That's a combination of doing a sale lease back and our acquisitions average over 18 years. But more importantly, it comes back to, and I think it was Michael who asked about the proactive portfolio management question, that the proactive portfolio management is that we're selling shorter-term leases.

Speaker #1: The lease duration of our income-producing assets we sold, we're 6.1. The dark but paying rent, we're 5. So when you do that combination and we sold them at a 6.4 cap rate, that's pretty stellar

Steve Horn: The lease duration of our income-producing assets we sold were 6.1. The dark book paying rent were 5. So when you count, you do that combination, and we sold them at a 6.4 cap rate, that's pretty stellar execution.

Speaker #1: execution. All

Speaker #5: right. Great. Thank you.

Rich Hightower: All right, great. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Amateo Acusanya with Deutsche Bank, your line is live.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Mateo Ocasana with Deutsche Bank. Your line is live.

Omotayo Okusanya: Yes, good morning, everyone. So just wanted to understand again, the occupancy, the quarter-over-quarter occupancy gain. Was most of that mainly because you just sold vacant assets, or should we really kind of thinking about really strong leasing activity as well in the Q4 and the implications, for 2026?

Speaker #6: Yes. Good morning, everyone. So I just wanted to understand, again, the occupancy the quote over quota occupancy gain was most of that mainly because you just sold vacant assets, or should we really be kind of thinking about really strong leasing activity as well in the fourth quarter?

Speaker #6: And the implications for 2026?

Speaker #1: Yeah, hey, Dale. Yeah, I would say most of that upside was driven by vacant asset sales. We did have some releasing as well during the quarter.

Vincent Chao: Yeah. Hey, Mateo. Yeah, I would say, you know, most of that upside was driven by vacant asset sales. There we did have some re-leasing as well during the quarter, and so that's where we're seeing good demand there, which is reflected in our recapture rates. But, you know, between, you know, I think about vacancies that were resolved because of vacant sales versus re-leasing, you know, it's pretty heavily skewed to the vacant sales. So, but as far as implications for 2026, you know, again, I think we have a number of, you know, line of sight on a number of additional vacancy resolutions from an asset sale or re-lease perspective. And so, you know, I think we are expecting vacancies to decrease over the course of 2026.

Speaker #1: And so that's we're seeing good demand there, which is reflected in our recapture rates. But between I think about vacancies that were resolved because of vacant sales versus releasing, it's pretty heavily skewed to the vacant sales.

Speaker #1: So but as far as implications for 2026, again, I think we have a number of line of sight on a number of additional vacancy resolutions from an asset sale or release perspective.

Vincent Chao: you know, line of sight on a number of additional vacancy resolutions from an asset sale or re-lease perspective. And so, you know, I think we are expecting vacancies to decrease over the course of 2026.

Speaker #1: And so I think we are expecting vacancies to decrease. Over the course of 2026, and that's reflected in our real estate expense net dropping year over year as

Vincent Chao: You know, and that's, that's reflected in our real estate expense net, dropping year-over-year as well.

Speaker #1: well. Okay.

Speaker #5: That's helpful. And then, in regards to the '26 guidance—again, with the midpoint 3.2% earnings growth, it's good to see an acceleration from 2.7% in 2025.

Omotayo Okusanya: Yeah, that's helpful. And then in regards to the 2026 guidance, again, with the midpoint 3.2% earnings growth, that's good to see acceleration from 2.7% in 2025. And I think again, there is some headwinds as it relates to termination fees, which is elevated in 2025. So the question is, again, as you kind of think about what is normalized, and again, not necessarily asking for 2027 guidance or anything like that, but how do you guys kind of think about just normalized AFFO per share growth and kind of ultimately where you're ma- where you're trying to get to in terms of steady state earnings growth?

Speaker #5: And I think, again, there's some headwinds as it relates to termination fees, which was elevated in 2025. So the question is, again, as you kind of think about what is normalized and again, not necessarily asking for '27 guidance or anything like that, but how do you guys kind of think about just normalized AFFO per share growth and kind of ultimately where you're trying to get to in terms of steady-state earnings

Speaker #5: growth?

Speaker #1: Yeah. I think our

Steve Horn: Yes, I think, you know, our bottom-up approach is we try to do that mid-single digits over the course of the long run, multiyear approach. In any given year, you know, for example, this year, you know, 25 was 2.7, our midpoint is 3.2, and, you know, could the following year be elevated off of that? You know, it all- it's all predicated on the macroeconomic and, you know, the composition of the portfolio. But mid-single digit consistent FFO growth is, you know, you, you follow us for a while, that's our mantra.

Speaker #1: bottom-up approach is we try to do that mid-single digits over the course of the long run, multi-year approach. And at any given year, for example, this year, '25 was 2.7.

Speaker #1: Our midpoint's 3.2. And could the following year be elevated off of that? It's all predicated on the macroeconomic and the composition of the portfolio.

Speaker #1: But mid-single-digit, consistent FFO growth is, if you follow this for a while, that's our—

Speaker #1: mantra. Excellent.

Omotayo Okusanya: Excellent. All the best in 2026.

Speaker #5: All the best in

Speaker #5: '26. Thank

Speaker #1: you.

Steve Horn: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Alex Fagan with Baird. Your line is live.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Alex Fagan with Baird. Your line is live.

Speaker #7: Hey, yeah. Thank you for taking my question. So you mentioned in your prepared remarks that you expect cap rates to compress later down in the year.

Rich Hightower: Hey, thank you for taking my question. So you mentioned in your prepared remarks that you expect cap rates to compress later down in the year. Is that due to deal mix, or can you just speak about why that's your assumption?

Alex Fagan: Hey, thank you for taking my question. So you mentioned in your prepared remarks that you expect cap rates to compress later down in the year. Is that due to deal mix, or can you just speak about why that's your assumption?

Speaker #7: Is that due to deal mix? Or can you just speak about why that's your assumption?

Speaker #1: I think it's a prudent assumption. I think you might have a little compression in the cap rate, and it's really driven by— we work, as I said, in a highly competitive environment.

Steve Horn: I think it's a prudent assumption to think you might have a little compression in the cap rate, and it's really driven by, you know, working, as I said, in a highly competitive environment. It's driven by the pressure of peers deploying capital, and that's what it comes down to as we move through the year.

Speaker #1: It's driven by the pressure of peers deploying capital. And that's what it comes down to as we move through the

Speaker #1: year. All

Speaker #7: Right. Thanks for that. That's it for—

Rich Hightower: All right. Thanks for that. That's it for me.

Alex Fagan: All right. Thanks for that. That's it for me.

Speaker #7: me. Thank

Speaker #2: you. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you have any questions, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next question is coming from Linda Tsai with Jefferies, your line is

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you have any questions, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next question is coming from Linda Tsai with Jefferies. Your line is live.

Speaker #2: live. Hi.

Speaker #8: Good morning. Does the 3.55 midpoint of your AFFO per share guidance include a refinancing headwind from the 350 million in debt coming due in December?

John Massocca: Hi, good morning. Does the 3.55 midpoint of your AFFO per share guidance include a refinancing headwind from the $350 million in debt coming due in December?

Linda Tsai: Hi, good morning. Does the 3.55 midpoint of your AFFO per share guidance include a refinancing headwind from the $350 million in debt coming due in December?

Speaker #1: Hey, Linda. Yes. We do have that debt coming due. It's not till the end of the year. So we do have some refinancing assumptions embedded.

Steve Horn: Hey, Linda. Yes, we do have that debt coming due. It's not till the end of the year, so we do have some refinancing assumptions embedded. But it doesn't, you know, the actual refinancing part doesn't really impact us too much, just given how late in the year that maturity is. But yes, we do have some assumptions embedded there.

Speaker #1: But it doesn't the actual refinancing part doesn't really impact us too much, just given how late in the year that maturity is. But yes, we do have some assumptions embedded there.

Speaker #8: Any sense of where what rate you could refinance that at?

John Massocca: Any sense of where, what rate you could refinance that at?

Linda Tsai: Any sense of where, what rate you could refinance that at?

Speaker #1: Yeah, so I mean, we're looking at a range of options. As we talked about in an earlier question, we do look at our duration, and we look at our cost of debt, and the different options that we have.

Steve Horn: Yeah. So I mean, we're looking at a range of options. You know, as we talked about in an earlier question, we do look at our duration, and we look at our cost of debt, and the different options that we have. We did execute on the term loan and a little bit shorter-term bond offering last year. So those are all still potential options. But I think, you know, if you're just talking about where could we price a 10-year today, it'd probably be in the 5.25-ish, maybe 5.20 rate on a 10-year bond.

Speaker #1: We did execute on the term loan and a little bit shorter-term bond offering last year. So those are all still potential options. But I think if you're just talking about where could we price a 10-year today, it'd probably be in the 5.25-ish, maybe 5.20 rate on a 10-year bond.

Speaker #8: Got it. And then just to follow up on the cap rate compression comment in Q2 and Q3, any sense of the—

John Massocca: Got it. And then just to follow up on the Cap Rate compression comment in Q2 and Q3, any sense of the magnitude?

Linda Tsai: Got it. And then just to follow up on the Cap Rate compression comment in Q2 and Q3, any sense of the magnitude?

Speaker #8: magnitude? I think it's going to be a slight

Steve Horn: I think it's gonna be a slight compression right now. You know, we're starting to price Q2 deals. You know, we call it 5 to 10 basis points currently for Q2.

Speaker #1: compression right now. We're starting to price Q2 deals. We call it 5 to 10 basis points currently for

Speaker #1: Q2. Thank you.

Speaker #8: And good luck.

John Massocca: Thank you, and good luck.

Linda Tsai: Thank you, and good luck.

Speaker #1: Thanks,

Speaker #1: Linda. Thank you.

Steve Horn: Thanks, Linda.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Jim Kammert with Evercore ISI. Your line is live.

Speaker #2: Our next question is coming from Jim Kammert with Evercore ISI, your line is live.

Speaker #7: Hi. Good morning. Thank you. Could you remind me, after all this major acquisition activity in '25, what is the representative average lease escalator now in the

Speaker #7: Hi. Good morning. Thank you. Could you remind me, after all this major acquisition activity in '25, what is the representative average lease escalator now in the portfolio?

Operator: Hi, good morning. Thank you. Could you remind me, after all this, you know, major acquisition activity in 2025, what is the representative average lease escalator now in the portfolio?

James Kammert: Hi, good morning. Thank you. Could you remind me, after all this, you know, major acquisition activity in 2025, what is the representative average lease escalator now in the portfolio?

Speaker #1: Yeah. I mean, we're a battleship, Jim. We could layer on a billion dollars of acquisitions, and it's not going to change the portfolio escalator.

Steve Horn: Yeah, I mean, we're a battleship, Jim. You know, we could layer on $1 billion of acquisitions, and it's not gonna change the portfolio escalator. It's still 1.5% for modeling purposes.

Speaker #1: It's still 1.5% for modeling

Speaker #1: It's still 1.5% for modeling purposes. Fair

Speaker #7: Enough. And then, just to layer on, Steve, your earlier comment that you did a bit of defensive sales of occupied assets is what I read or interpreted.

Operator: Fair enough. And then just to layer on, Steve, your earlier comment that you did a bit of defensive sales of occupied assets, is what I read or interpreted, including in the Q4. Realizing it's hindsight, but what kind of drove that a little bit higher than maybe anticipated 7.6 cap rate of those 18 occupied assets disposed? Was that, you know, one particular tenant concentration, or just curious what was going on there?

James Kammert: Fair enough. And then just to layer on, Steve, your earlier comment that you did a bit of defensive sales of occupied assets, is what I read or interpreted, including in the Q4. Realizing it's hindsight, but what kind of drove that a little bit higher than maybe anticipated 7.6 cap rate of those 18 occupied assets disposed? Was that, you know, one particular tenant concentration, or just curious what was going on there?

Speaker #7: Including in the fourth quarter, realizing hindsight, but what kind of drove that a little bit higher than maybe anticipated 7, 6 cap rate of those 18 occupied assets disposed?

Speaker #7: Was that one particular tenant concentration, or just curious what was going on there?

Speaker #1: Yeah. Now, for the most part, we kind of get the wink, wink, nod, nod from the tenant when we're in discussions that they want to exit a market.

Steve Horn: No, for the most part, it's we kind of get the wink, wink, nod, nod from the tenant when we're in discussions that they want to exit a market. You know, who knows the market better and the asset better than the actual tenant? So we have those conversations, and there was pretty 4 or 5 years left on leases that they said they're not gonna, you know, renew at the end of the year, so we sell them. And it wasn't one in particular tenant, it wasn't one in particular industry, it was just kind of overall portfolio pruning. And that's when... You know, a few of them were dark but paying rent, so the tenant wasn't occupying them, so you know those are problems that you're gonna get back.

Speaker #1: Who knows the market better and the asset better than the actual tenant? So we have those conversations. And there was four or five years left on leases.

Speaker #1: They said they're not going to renew at the end of the year. So we sell them. And it wasn't one in particular tenant. It wasn't one in particular industry.

Speaker #1: It was just kind of overall portfolio pruning. And that's what a few of them were dark but paying rent. So the tenant wasn't occupying them.

Steve Horn: You know, a few of them were dark but paying rent, so the tenant wasn't occupying them, so you know those are problems that you're gonna get back.

Speaker #1: So you know those are problems that you're going to get back. But then there's another handful of income-producing, where the tenant—in this particular case, what I'm thinking of is kind of casual dining—said, 'Hey, we're going to exit the market or redevelop another site.' So we decided those are six years left.

Steve Horn: But then there's another handful of income-producing, where the tenant, you know, in this particular case, what I'm thinking of is kind of casual dining, said, "Hey, we're gonna exit the market or redevelop another site." So we decided, you know, those are six years left, so we got out of them.

Speaker #1: So we got out of them.

Speaker #7: Perfect. And nothing endemic. Okay, thanks. Appreciate it.

Operator: Perfect, and nothing endemic. Okay, thanks. Appreciate it.

James Kammert: Perfect, and nothing endemic. Okay, thanks. Appreciate it.

Speaker #1: Thanks.

Steve Horn: Thanks.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Our final question today is coming from John Masaka with B Reilly, your line is

Operator: Thank you. Our final question today is coming from John Massocca with B. Riley. Your line is live.

Speaker #2: live. Good

Speaker #5: Morning. So I know we've talked a lot about cap rate trends over the course of the call, but maybe—are you seeing some of that compression already in the, let's call it, first quarter pipeline, given that's kind of where you have the most visibility?

John Massocca: Good morning. So I know we've talked a lot about kind of cap rate trends over the course of the call, but maybe are you seeing some of that compression already in the, let's call it, Q1 pipeline, given that's kind of where you have the most visibility? Or is that relatively flat on a cap rate basis versus what you saw in Q4?

Speaker #5: Or is that relatively flat on a cap rate basis versus what you saw in Q4?

Speaker #1: Yeah. I mean, Q3, Q4, and Q1, kind of what I mentioned in the opening remarks are all kind of flat. Because we're through pricing on the first quarter at this point.

Steve Horn: Yeah, it'd be Q3, Q4, and Q1, kind of what I mentioned, the opener bars are all kind of flat. You know, because we are through pricing on the first quarter at this point. Any deals that we source now is kind of early second quarter. And knowing the pricing in the second quarter, I'm seeing a slight compression, but first quarter is flat.

Speaker #1: Any deals that we source now is kind of early second quarter. And knowing the pricing of the second quarter, I'm seeing a slight compression.

Speaker #1: But first quarter, it's flat.

Speaker #5: Okay. And then in terms of dispositions in 4Q, of those vacant assets, kind of roughly, how much of that was former Frisch's and Badcock

John Massocca: Okay. And then, in terms of dispositions in Q4, of those vacant assets, kind of roughly how much of that was former Frisch's and Badcock locations?

Speaker #5: locations? The vast

Steve Horn: The vast majority were

Speaker #1: Majority were Frisch's, opposed to former Badcock's. The Badcock, as I mentioned, we have five of them left, which will all be for sale. But the restaurant assets, we were marketing for a long time since it was a whole 2025 issue that they just kind of culminated in that.

John Massocca: Okay

Steve Horn: ... Frisch's, opposed to that former Badcocks. You know, the Badcock, as I mentioned, we have five of them left, which will all be for sale. But the restaurant assets we were marketing for a long time since, you know, it was a whole 2025 issue that they just kind of culminated in that Q4.

John Massocca: Okay

Speaker #1: fourth quarter. Okay.

John Massocca: Okay. And then in terms of, as I think about the disposition assumption in 2026 guidance, I mean, how much of that is either just general vacant assets or even stuff tied to specifically Frisch's and former Badcock assets?

Speaker #5: And then in terms of, as I think about the disposition assumption in 2026 guidance, I mean, how much of that is either just general vacant assets or even stuff tied to specifically Frisch's and former Badcock assets?

Speaker #1: I mean, I think it'll be probably more of the restaurant-type assets that were tied to Frisch's. Just because that's the majority of our vacant assets.

Steve Horn: I mean, I think it'll be probably more of the restaurant-type assets that were tied to Frisch's, just because that's the majority of our vacant assets. So just mathematically, it works out that way. You know, we treat all vacant assets the same, if they're Frisch's, Badcock, or another industry. It's just math. Do we re-lease it? Present value of cash flow. Do we dispose of it, reinvest the proceeds? It's whatever is best for our shareholders, that's what we do.

Speaker #1: So just mathematically, it works out that way. We treat all vacant assets the same. If they're Frisch's, Badcock, or another industry, it's just math.

Speaker #1: Do we release it, present value of cash flow? Do we dispose of it, reinvest the proceeds? It's whatever's best for our shareholder. That's what we do.

Speaker #5: Got it. But then I guess with the visibility you have today, I mean, how much of the overall expected disposition volume, roughly, would you expect to be vacant assets?

John Massocca: Got it. But given the visibility you have today, I mean, how much of the kind of overall expected disposition volume roughly would you expect to be vacant assets, just because you have these Frisch's and Badcock's that are still kind of...

Speaker #5: Just because you have these Frisch's and Badcocks that are still kind of.

Speaker #1: As a percentage, 26 will be less of a percentage than 25. I think the vacant assets in 25, it was a good percentage. 26 will be less.

Steve Horn: as a percentage

John Massocca: So-

Steve Horn: 26 will be less of a percentage than 25. You know, I think the vacant assets in 25, it was a good percentage. 26 will be less.

Speaker #5: Okay. That's it. That's it for me. Thank you very much.

John Massocca: Okay.

Steve Horn: I don't have-

John Massocca: That's it. That's it for me. Thank you very much.

Speaker #1: Thanks,

Speaker #1: John.

Steve Horn: Thanks, John.

Speaker #2: Thank

Speaker #2: you. We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. So I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Horn for any closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. We have reached the end of our question and answer session, so I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Horn for any closing remarks.

Speaker #1: No, I appreciate you guys taking the time listening in. And then good questions. Look forward to seeing you kind of through the conference season.

Steve Horn: No, I appreciate you guys taking the time to listen to NNN. Good questions. Look forward to seeing you kind of through the conference season. NNN, we're in good, good, good shape to, you know, turn the page on 2025 and get back to growth in 2026. Thank you.

Speaker #1: And NNN, we're in good shape to turn the page on '25 and get back to growth in '26. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.

Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.

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